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One effect of the Gaza massacre is that American Zionists have entered a bunker. As our mainstream media conveys overwhelming images of civilian deaths in Gaza, to the point that even our politicians are unnerved by the burden of service for the Jewish state, the American Zionist message is narrowing and hardening. The crisis is particularly acute for liberal Zionists. While many liberal Zionists have moved rightward, supporting Israel, others are clearly panicked by Israel’s behavior. M.J. Rosenberg has said that Israel’s image is “destroyed” in the U.S., and J.J. Goldberg has described the onslaught as a “massacre.”

Here is a quick, and disorderly, tour of Zionist responses to the Gaza massacre.

The neoconservatives (rightwing Zionists) have doubled down. On Monday, Bill Kristol’s shop, the Emergency Committee for Israel, released the following statement on the Obama administration’s call for a cease-fire in Gaza and John Kerry’s trip to the Middle East. Basically telling Obama to F— off.

Israel does not need a mediator. Israel needs an ally. Pressuring Israel to agree to a cease-fire that rescues Hamas from defeat and leaves it in possession of its missiles, tunnels, and terror infrastructure is foolish and wrong. If President Obama and Secretary Kerry want to advance the cause of peace in the Middle East, they should support Israel and its campaign to end the terror threat from Gaza.

But things aren’t rosy for the hardliners. MJ Rosenberg reported that AIPAC, the leading Israel lobby, called off a rally for Israel. 

Also, AIPAC & other Jewish organizations considered a national rally in DC to support Israel. Decided it would flop.

Presumably the counter-demonstration would have been far larger. 

More hardliners. Yesterday, Michael Bloomberg, the chairman of a leading media company, flew to Israel on El Al to support Israel’s call for an end to the Federal Aviation Administration’s ban on flights to the country (that ban is now lifted). The hasty, informal appearance included Bloomberg’s statement that

“Every time I come here I’m reminded of history, of where my family comes from.”

Scott Roth tweeted a smart rejoinder challenging the Zionist ideology inherent in Bloomberg’s statement:

@MikeBloomberg your family is from historic Palestine? What part?

And NYCJulie answered that with a jab at the privileged role of being an Israel lobbyist:

I think is from the Upper East Side of Palestine.

Many liberal Zionists are standing with Netanyahu. Menachem Creditor, a “progressive” rabbi who opposes gun violence and engages in “social reform” in American cities, defends the Gaza massacre at Huffington Post– which I thought was a liberal publication– saying that Jews have a right to protect ourselves. His argument is frankly Zionist. It is about the right of self-determination of the Jewish people in historical Palestine, and he calls dead Israeli soldiers his “sons.”

I’m done apologizing for Israel…

 My Zionism demands I speak out on behalf of the Israel that remains, in my world-view, the most ambitious project-in-process of the Jewish People. Whereas Israel’s 66 short years have witnessed strength and resilience that have redefined Jewish identity in profound ways, the global Jewish family remains interwoven with Israel….

I ask the enraged critics of Israel’s defensive responses to Hamas: Would you have us not respond to this monstrosity? Do you think it’s not worth losing the PR battle to retain our humanity and save as many lives as possible? What country would stand by when thousands of terrorist missiles assault its citizens? I, a Jew, have lost 20 of my sons in the last three days, because I will not lose my humanity and stage a careless ground war in Gaza that would cause mass casualties. Though I fight monsters, I will not become one…

We will do what we must to protect our people. We have that right. We are not less deserving of life and quiet than anyone else.

P.S. 20 percent of Israel’s population is non-Jewish.

J Street is caught in the middle, wringing its hands. The liberal Zionist group refused to endorse a rally in support of Israel in Boston; Jeremy Ben-Ami, head of J Street, said he’ll attend the rally, but he can’t sponsor it because it does not address J Street’s concern over Palestinian civilian casualties, or over what Israel is becoming:

What was missing for us in this rally, and what ultimately precluded our co-sponsorship, was that despite our efforts, there was no space made to raise the issues that follow from our commitment to Israel’s Jewish and democratic future. There was no voice for our concerns about the loss of human life on both sides, or the acknowledgement of the conflict’s complexity and that the only way to truly end it is through a political solution. Perhaps what was most critically absent was the means to raise the question of what role we as a community of hovevi tzion [lovers of Zion] can and must play to help make it so we are not back here two years from now, again wringing our hands in grief. Incorporating these thoughts and nuances in our communal reaction would have only strengthened our community and its advocacy on Israel’s behalf.

Ben-Ami stressed his solidarity for Israel in remarks to 20 Democratic senators yesterday. Though he also referred to Palestinian civilians.

As others have noted, this is a difficult time for friends of Israel.  I was in Israel when the rockets began falling, and J Street’s thoughts are with our staff, family and friends who are there and the IDF forces suffering terrible casualties and making tremendous sacrifices.

We also note with great sadness the tremendous toll being taken on Gaza’s civilian population by this present violence – over 600 dead, many of them non-combatants and children, and over 100,000 of Gaza’s 1.8 million people living in shelters.

The liberal Zionist New Israel Fund sent out a fretful email from Rabbi Brian Lurie and Daniel Sokatch that was most concerned with the threat to Israel’s Jewish democratic character from rising intolerance. The two employed circumlocution regarding Palestinian deaths:

We are all paying close attention to the situation unfolding in Gaza. Far too many are living in fear. Far too many have died. Soon, I pray, the fighting will end.

On the day after the fighting ends — when Israelis again look inward –- I’m terrified that they will see a society filled with anger and pain, where extremism is the norm and dissent is not tolerated.

Ali Abunimah called out these attitudes as self-centered and callous on Democracy Now yesterday:

What we have is this liberal Zionist navel gazing about how to preserve Israel as a so-called Jewish and democratic state. Enough Palestinian babies have been blown to pieces for this insanity. Enough of lecturing Palestinians that their resistance is illegitimate or futile.

Abunimah was debating JJ Goldberg, a liberal Zionist, who described the onslaught as a massacre and observed the shift in Israel’s image.

I think I wrote the wind shifted, and I’ve written in a couple of tweets and so on that Israel jumped the shark. It went—it went overboard. It went a step beyond what it had been doing. The ground campaign essentially was a declaration of war on the Palestinian people.

Abunimah brought the conversation to the contradictions in Zionism, an ideology that groups American Jews with Israeli Jews as somehow sharing interests: 

The destruction of Palestine continues, so that people like J.J. can sit in New York and pontificate about how American Jews in North America need a spare country so that they can feel safe.

MJ Rosenberg has gone further than JJ Goldberg. 

Any Jew who is not sickened by Israel’s behavior has forgotten what it means to be a Jew. Perhaps a visit to the Holocaust museum or Yad Vashem will provide a refresher course…

He says that Israel’s image has been destroyed by the onslaught. He’s seeing what I’m seeing, the American media is disgusted by this massacre and American compliance:  

The lobby (which, in this case, includes its friends and clients in the media) have lost control of the story which has become, as it should have, the story of a strong military power killing innocents like some beast in a child’s nightmare.

And no matter what happens from this point on, Israel lost the war. Not even Netanyahu’s primary goal in starting this war, toppling the Palestinian unity government, has been achieved. Hamas, that awful organization that was teetering on the brink of collapsing in Gaza, is now stronger than ever. 

Even worse for Israel is that its image has been destroyed. 

Ori Nir at Americans for Peace Now also sought to remind American Jews of the optics here:

Though, covering his bases, Nir also tweeted claims by the Israeli government:

According to Isr’ pro-gov think-tank, of 204 confirmed Gazan militants killed, 118 Hamas; 59 PIJ; 27 “other groups”

Americans for Peace Now has tried to balance a recognition of the slaughter with a message of solidarity with Israel. I don’t think these two messages can be put forward equally; but APN tries:

Americans for Peace Now (APN) is horrified by the spiraling death-toll of the war between Israel and Hamas…

APN strongly supports Israel’s right for self-defense and its government’s obligation to provide security for its citizens. As a Zionist, Jewish organization and as the sister-organization of the Israeli grassroots movement Shalom Achshav (Peace Now), we fully share the security concerns of the people of Israel and the yearning of Israelis for peace.

We mourn the death of Israeli civilians and of Israeli soldiers in the current hostilities. We also mourn the alarmingly spiraling deaths of hundreds of Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip – over 500 so far.

The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely-populated areas in the world. Its residents have no place to escape to from the fire. Continued fighting in such an environment is a recipe for more bloodbaths such as the one we witnessed Sunday in Shuja’iyyah, a neighborhood East of Gaza City. Thirteen Israeli soldiers and many dozens of Palestinian civilians were killed there.

Finally, a more pleasurable moment. Yesterday Jeffrey Goldberg showed us once again that when the going gets tough, the tough get going. He called out Robert Mackey of the New York Times for writing too much about Israel– apparently, Mackey’s coverage of a disturbing story (which we got to first)Israeli snipers killing a Palestinian youth who was searching for his missing family in Shuja’iyeh. In Mackey’s story, Ali Abunimah called the case a war crime, and who can doubt that.

But Jeffrey Goldberg is a hard case:

I wish @robertmackey would cover Israel more.

Mackey bridled at the sarcasm.

I wish I never had to, but thanks for the constant guidance on what I should write about to make you happy.

Goldberg, pugnacious denial:  ‏

Constant guidance? Such as?

Mackey:

The previous two times you wrote to me to suggest I should change my reporting on this subject.

Goldberg ‏

I don’t recall ever asking you to change anything. Could you send me the emails in which I asked you to change?

Mackey:

 I didn’t say by email; the first time was by direct message; but you then emailed me last September 25, check your outbox.

Goldberg, on the run now:

But I don’t think I asked you to change anything. I asked you a question about the focus of your blog.

Mackey

That’s not how I read either approach, or your bon mot today.

Goldberg

I’m obviously intensely interested in the way the Times covers Israel. You’re the guy who posts about it the most.

Mackey

I cover the beat I’m asked to cover, but I earnestly look forward to nothing newsworthy ever happening in Israel again.

Abunimah pointed out Goldberg’s history and job description:

Hey @robertmackey, lay off Cpl. @jeffreygoldberg. He’s just doing his job policing what politicians, journalists can/can’t say about Israel!

Ali Gharib called Goldberg a “bully” and went back to the root cause, Zionism, and its contradictions.

Boy from Long Island moves to foreign country, takes citizenship & joins its army.

Boy says others are too focused on said foreign country.

Lisa Goldman of New America was arch:

It is stressful to be solely responsible for policing the discourse about Israel in the media.

While these snippets are random, they point in one direction: American Zionism is in crisis. The ongoing Gaza massacre is exposing the fact that whatever its merits on paper as a Jewish liberation story, Zionism unfolded in the real world to become what we see in the news, a violent and racist regime that, backed by powerful Americans, has lost touch with moral norms and is justly isolated in world opinion. The crisis is resounding inside American Zionist circles. The sentient understand full well what I am saying. And while enforcers like Jeffrey Goldberg refuse to tear up their party membership card, we are sure to see many liberal Zionists leave the fold in weeks to come. Some will come out for nonviolent resistance, BDS. Some will reckon that a Jewish state is not worth the killing of even one Palestinian child, and will abandon a tribal ideology and call for democracy, for a binational state, anything to end the long nightmare of religious nationalism.

One last point. In the latest New York Review of Books (not yet online), Jonathan Freedland praises Ari Shavit’s neo-Zionist book, My Promised Land, and dismisses John Judis’s book on Truman, Genesis, by saying that Jews– and he and I agree that Jews matter– will only hear criticism of Israel when it comes from inside the fold. The Haggadah tells us, Freedland says, that the wise son addresses the Jewish community from inside the Jewish circle while the wicked son speaks from outside the circle; and the Jewish community dismisses the wicked son’s ideas.

So a secular publication invokes a religious tribal understanding of community so as to cast out Judis’s criticism of Zionism (as a bigoted ideology that ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and gained immunity for those acts by bribing American politicians).  In the NYRB’s view, Jeffrey Goldberg is a wise son because he stands inside the Zionist circle. Imagine a Muslim writer for the NYRB quoting sura’s from the Koran to recruit me in an Islamist ideology– that would never happen.

I agree with Freedland that Jews are the ballgame; but forget about the wise son wicked son crap. Jews of conscience must organize with one foot inside the Jewish community and one foot outside it. That is the only way to move the Jewish establishment, and America. Jewish Voice for Peace: a rally against the massacre, today in NY:

Meet JVP-NYC at 4:45 pm
South part of Foley Square in Manhattan
at Duane and Center Streets
March at 5 pm

 

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  1. seafoid
    seafoid on July 24, 2014, 11:45 am

    “Every time I come here I’m reminded where my family comes from”

    Surely Bloomberg is a Yiddish name

    • just
      just on July 24, 2014, 10:40 pm

      Another Zioliar.

    • Ellen
      Ellen on July 24, 2014, 11:40 pm

      Bloomberg, “hill in blossom” “blooming mountain or hillside.,

      From the Medieval Eastern German dialect, Yiddish.

      • PeterAgur
        PeterAgur on July 25, 2014, 2:27 am

        Blum in Yiddish means flower, not blossom. But anyway, yes, of course Bloomberg is a Yiddish name (albeit in Americanized spelling). Not sure what the point of this etymology lesson is though.

  2. just
    just on July 24, 2014, 11:46 am

    Just from your headline, my gut/mind and soul tells me that it is the ideology of Zionism that needs to be trashed– forever.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on July 24, 2014, 11:57 am

      I think one of the best quotes about the mess this week was on one of the NYT forums . “Israel was supposed to save Judaism. It may end up killing it. “

      • just
        just on July 24, 2014, 11:59 am

        Yes.

      • bilal a
        bilal a on July 24, 2014, 12:40 pm

        The neighboring Arab states are so corrupt and effete that they can only defend Israel much like as sisi ‘s ceasefire, or Abbas ‘s collusion, which is JJ Goldberg’s end game:

        The bottom line: use the current crisis as a lever to strengthen Abbas, give him control over Gaza and return to the negotiating table with a partner who’s willing and, thanks to the humbling of Hamas, able to reach a viable peace deal.

        http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/202384/-takes-on-the-hamas-endgame/#ixzz38P6uYsDB

        The implication is that this incursion was a joint Israeli- Fata effort, possibly in collusion with Egypt and its backers in the Gulf.

        But they didn’t count on the media blackout crumbling and embarrassing the EU go alongs. I cannot fathom the Qatar-Turkish intervention, which apparently had secret backing from the Obama administration. Perhaps a form of payback for the humiliation of the Turkish and American presidents.

        CAIRO, July 17 (Reuters) – Egypt’s foreign minister accused Qatar, Turkey and Hamas on Thursday of conspiring to undermine Cairo’s efforts to bring about a ceasefire between the Palestinian militant group and Israel in Gaza, Egypt’s state news agency reported.
        http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL4N0PS4Z820140717

      • lysias
        lysias on July 24, 2014, 12:55 pm

        The corrupt policies of those Arab regimes probably makes them so unpopular with their populaces that they are very ripe for being toppled by ISIS, if ISIS were ever to decide to attack them.

        Has ISIS said anything yet about this Gaza horror, anybody know?

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 24, 2014, 1:42 pm
      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 24, 2014, 8:19 pm

        CAIRO, July 17 (Reuters) – Egypt’s foreign minister accused Qatar, Turkey and Hamas on Thursday of conspiring to undermine Cairo’s efforts to bring about a ceasefire between the Palestinian militant group and Israel in Gaza, Egypt’s state news agency reported.

        I wish ISIS would do the world a favor and leave Iraq and Syria alone and go after Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

      • Ellen
        Ellen on July 24, 2014, 11:46 pm

        Iraq and Syria were easy pickings after the West finished with the destruction of those two regions.

        KSA and Egypt have well armed armies and are still client states (to a degree) of the UK and US.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 25, 2014, 12:52 am

        KSA and Egypt have well armed armies and are still client states (to a degree) of the UK and US.

        They might be well armed but their armies are only good for suppressing their own populations and keeping them on a right leash.

        They would likely fall apart faced with well armed and well organized opponents like ISIS. In fact, they face the added threat that many of their local populations who despise them, would join the ranks of ISIS against them.

  3. seafoid
    seafoid on July 24, 2014, 11:56 am

    “The Haggadah tells us, Freedland says, that the wise son addresses the Jewish community from inside the Jewish circle while the wicked son speaks from outside the circle; and the Jewish community dismisses the wicked son’s ideas.”

    Particularly useless . It’s STFU in more words. Same as this :

    http://hartman.org.il/Blogs_View.asp?Article_Id=657&Cat_Id=273&Cat_Type=blogs

    “If our community will be wise enough to expand the inner tent to make room for a wide spectrum of opinions, debate, criticism, and acts of protest and condemnation, there will be no need for members of our community to find their allies elsewhere, and ones who do so, will be therefore declaring where their allegiance truly lies.
    We are a people who believe that criticism is an act of love and loyalty. We are also a people who believe that there is a criticism out of love, and a criticism which is not.”

    What does the Haggadah say about social media and bypassing bot control over MSM output ?

    Look at what US media darling Ari Shavit is saying

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.606865
    “Who are we fighting? A fascist organization that terrorizes the people of Gaza, oppresses women and gays, and shuns all democratic values of freedom and progress.

    Those who are even slightly forgiving of Hamas are cooperating with a fanatically religious tyrannical dictator. Amos Oz spoke about Israeli neo-Nazis? Hamas are Palestinian neo-Nazis. They’ve turned the first strip of Palestinian land that was granted (relative) freedom into a bastion of totalitarianism. They’ve incessantly attacked Israel for roughly a decade. They staunchly rejected every Israeli attempt to prevent the current escalation. They stubbornly fired thousands of rockets at civilians.

    They’ve employed a sophisticated yet malicious strategy, which has two goals: to kill innocent Jews and force the IDF to kill innocent Palestinians. The murderous terrorist organization that took over the Gaza Strip in 2007, while executing many of its own people, is an organization of war criminals. By no means can they be allowed to win this difficult conflict, and by no means can we show any empathy for the evil they represent. ”

    This Zionist clusterfuck is way beyond the capacity of Judaism to fix.
    It’s not even about Gaza or the Palestinians any more either – Israel is slowly collapsing in the face of right wing madness.

    Louis Brandeis was Jewish, but from a different age http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/277/438
    “In a government of law, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”

    (thanks to Dickerson for the quote)

    • lysias
      lysias on July 24, 2014, 12:04 pm

      Brandeis was of course thinking of the U.S. government. I wonder if he would have made the same demands on an Israeli government.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 24, 2014, 6:40 pm

        “Brandeis was of course thinking of the U.S. government. I wonder if he would have made the same demands on an Israeli government.”

        FWIW Louis Brandeis was born in 1856 and died in 1941. But I suspect he might very well have demanded the same thing from an Israel government, if there was one.

        What makes you think he wouldn’t? Did he express himself on the subject?

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 24, 2014, 6:58 pm

        “What makes you think he wouldn’t? Did he express himself on the subject?”

        Well, Wicki says: “He (Brandeis) also became active in the Zionist movement, seeing it as a solution to antisemitism in Europe and Russia, while at the same time being a way to “revive the Jewish spirit.”

      • tree
        tree on July 24, 2014, 7:01 pm

        Here’s a long piece on “Brandeis: Zionist Leader” from the Brandeis University Review published in 1992.

        http://www.brandeis.edu/hornstein/sarna/americanjewishcultureandscholarship/Archive4/LouisD.BrandeisZionistLeader.pdf

      • ritzl
        ritzl on July 24, 2014, 7:29 pm

        @lysias- Without an Israeli Constitution, I wonder if Brandeis even could apply that thinking to Israel. Law is so malleable, if not outright situational there.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 24, 2014, 7:57 pm

        Well, it’s probably wishful thinking, but I’m going to hope that Brandeis would have been appalled at Israel. He died, of course, before Israel was a state, and he may have had the ideas of many of his generation concerning colonialism, but I’d like to hope his passion for the US Constitution would help him see what Zionism is.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 24, 2014, 8:35 pm

        I have the same hope about Monash.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 25, 2014, 12:43 pm

        “I have the same hope about Monash.”

        Yup, gotta hope. Sometimes it’s all one can do.

    • Donald
      Donald on July 24, 2014, 1:11 pm

      “Particularly useless . It’s STFU in more words.”

      That is a really pithy way to put it. That’s what I’ve been trying to say when noticing a difference between liberal Zionists–some, a comparative handful like Jerry Slater, really are honest about Israel’s crimes, whatever one wants to say about their Zionism. But IMO the vast majority of self-styled liberal Zionist two state solution supporters are really just gatekeepers on the subject. They are there to say STFU to people who are a little too honest about Israeli crimes–when necessary, they wheel out the antisemitism charge. (MJ Rosenberg straddles the line–honest one day, calling Ali Abunimah and antisemite the next.) In fact, the gatekeepers don’t even care about the 2ss–it’s just a fig leaf so they can tell themselves and the world that in theory they want a peaceful solution and so they can make criticisms of Israel on the margins, but under no circumstances do they want America’s unwavering support for Israel to change.

      Yeah, your version is much pithier.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 24, 2014, 1:23 pm

        Judaism can’t fix Israel. It’s like expecting a negligent family to turn around a homicidal son and telling the authorities to back off and to hell with public safety.

        As Walt said in FP last year

        http://www.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/03/25/empty_words
        “For realists like me, in short, halting a colonial enterprise that has been underway for over forty years will require a lot more than wise and well-intentioned words. Instead, it would require the exercise of power.”

        Judaism should get out of the way. Freedland , Kristol and co are wasting their time writing about Israel. They’d be more productive watching porn. At least nobody would die.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 24, 2014, 6:51 pm

        “Judaism can’t fix Israel.”

        Even if Judaism (we’ll say American Judaism) wanted to, it’s not set up, there’s no process, no mechanism, through which Judaism can do it.

        How many seats does “Judaism” have in the Knesset? And of course, “Judaism” has no seats in the House and Senate. And then the is this: Even if all Jewish Americans wanted to do is pass a resolution stating their position on the issue (Something like the Presbyterian divestment resolution) we don’t even have a process to do that.

        Which is not to say that events like this can’t provoke extraordinary events in the religion involved in it, events like schism, or new denominations, but Judaism as presently constituted, no.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 24, 2014, 8:23 pm

        CAIRO, July 17 (Reuters) – Egypt’s foreign minister accused Qatar, Turkey and Hamas on Thursday of conspiring to undermine Cairo’s efforts to bring about a ceasefire between the Palestinian militant group and Israel in Gaza, Egypt’s state news agency reported.

        I wish ISIS would do the world a favor and leave Iraq and Syria alone and go after Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

      • ritzl
        ritzl on July 24, 2014, 7:32 pm

        +1

    • tree
      tree on July 24, 2014, 6:37 pm

      Peter Beinart described it a few days ago:

      …What frightens me about the organized American Jewish community is that it has no independent standard at all. Whatever the Israeli government does is, by definition, moral. Whatever the Palestinians do is, by definition, immoral. It’s an utter abdication of one’s own faculties–and completely contrary to the way American Jewish leaders act toward their own government. When Avigdor Lieberman, a man who wants to exile many Palestinian citizens of Israel from the country, became foreign minister, they shrugged. When Bibi renounced the two state solution, they said nothing. The more ghastly the photos from Gaza become, the more adamantly they insist that Israel bears no responsibility for them. Can anyone say, with confidence, that there is any action the Israeli government could take that American Jewish leaders would not seek to justify? I can’t, and that terrifies me.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 24, 2014, 10:03 pm

        The jewish prison

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 25, 2014, 12:45 pm

        “The jewish prison”

        Oh, I don’t get too upset about being in the Jewish prison. I just won’t stand for Zionists being my jailers.

      • eljay
        eljay on July 25, 2014, 1:34 pm

        >> Peter Beinart: … What frightens me about the organized American Jewish community is that it has no independent standard at all. Whatever the Israeli government does is, by definition, moral.

        That’s because they’re using JeffB’s definition of morality: “Morality is about what should be accomplished and how it should be accomplished.”

        IOW: morality = a goal (preserving the “Jewish State”) + a method (whatever it takes)

        >> Can anyone say, with confidence, that there is any action the Israeli government could take that American Jewish leaders would not seek to justify? I can’t, and that terrifies me.

        “Liberal Zionist” Peter Beinart supports Israel as a supremacist “Jewish State”, so he shouldn’t be surprised or terrified by what his hardier co-collectivists have done / are prepared to do on his behalf. He should just follow “liberal Zionist” R.W.’s lead on this:

        “If I was an adult in 1948, I probably would have supported whatever it took to create the state of Israel, and held my nose at actions that I could not possibly do myself.”

        “The nakba that occurred in 1948 was accompanied by the independence, the liberation, of the Jewish community. So, I primarily celebrate … “

        Chin up, Pete!

      • lysias
        lysias on July 25, 2014, 2:21 pm

        Can anyone say, with confidence, that there is any action the Israeli government could take that the U.S. government would not seek to justify?

  4. American
    American on July 24, 2014, 12:03 pm

    MJ (Mike) [email protected] · 17h ” With all due respect for my fellow Jews, 90-plus % (at least) of all commentary defending this war comes from Jews. Nobody else”

    Except politicians….and they have paid zero attention to any jews of conscience so far……..zero zilch none.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 24, 2014, 12:09 pm

      Oh yes, except our lame, shameless politicians, whether they are Jews, Catholics and other denominations, they ALL speak for Israel, and spew the same talking points (must the their daily briefing by AIPAC).

      Even Bloomberg sings their tune, while promoting their travel and tourism:

      “”In the U.S., if hostile forces crossed over our border from Mexico or Canada, we would respond with overwhelming force to destroy those who are seeking to destroy us. Israelis should not be expected to live under the constant threat of rocket attacks without their government doing something about it.”
      Sounds familiar?

      • American
        American on July 24, 2014, 12:20 pm

        “”In the U.S., if hostile forces crossed over our border from Mexico or Canada, we would respond with overwhelming force to destroy those who are seeking to destroy us. Israelis should not be expected to live under the constant threat of rocket attacks without their government doing something about it.”..Bloomberg

        “”In the U.S., if a hostile, ethnic cult infiltrated our government and took it over , we would respond with overwhelming force to destroy those who are seeking to destroy us and our democracy. Americans should not be expected to live under the constant threat of zionist jews and israel damaging America and Americans welfare without revolting against their government and doing something about it.”…….American

        Bring it on Bloomberg, zionist against americans….its going to come to that in the end anyway….speed it up.

      • Pixel
        Pixel on July 24, 2014, 6:13 pm

        It already has. Most Americans just don’t realize it yet.

      • mariapalestina
        mariapalestina on July 24, 2014, 3:08 pm

        Marie Harf, U.S. State Dept spokesperson said today:
        “We will stand up for Israel even if it means standing alone.”
        I guess if there was any doubt we are willing to overlook Israel’s crimes, however egregious, that settles it.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on July 24, 2014, 1:47 pm

      The tweets on his account are really worth reading

      https://twitter.com/MJayRosenberg

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 18h

      I honestly believe the media is turning. Goliath is no longer portrayed as David.

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 18h

      Just watched NBC (Richard Engel). At last the lobby is losing the media. Praise the Lord!

      Friend’s daughter interning at AIPAC. Told parents they’re going crazy over media coverage & FAA travel ban. Don’t know what to do.

      SWEET.

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg · 18h

      Actually the parents are just acquaintances (no friend of mine would have a kid at AIPAC). But we talk.

      Retweeted by MJ (Mike) Rosenberg

      Matt Duss @mattduss · 6m

      Gaza: No Safe Place for Civilians | Brookings Institution http://brook.gs/1nEFenu

      Retweeted by MJ (Mike) Rosenberg

      FADI ELSALAMEEN @Elsalameen · 5m

      Right-wing rabbi’s ruling: Israel may totally destroy Gaza if necessary
      ‘Deterrent measures to exterminate the… http://fb.me/1HtloCcgo

      Retweeted by MJ (Mike) Rosenberg

      Emily L. Hauser @emilylhauser · 7m

      So far this week I’ve responded to three Jews of some influence who all argue that Israel can kill whoever it wants in Gaza b/c fuck ’em.

      I was thinking about that Chris Hayes interview with Rula Jebreal. Twitter has the decency of people shining through that TV doesn’t.

  5. seafoid
    seafoid on July 24, 2014, 12:04 pm

    Abunimah knows Zionism inside out . No wonder they are squirming.

    “The destruction of Palestine continues, so that people like J.J. can sit in New York and pontificate about how American Jews in North America need a spare country so that they can feel safe.”

    It all comes back to the Hebrew problem. You just can’t say in English what Israelis say about the aravim in Hebrew, the holy language.

    The Jewish part of the country has gone Betar Jerusalem remarkably quickly.

    Palestinians are entitled to ask Zionists “what did you expect ? ”

  6. joemowrey
    joemowrey on July 24, 2014, 12:16 pm

    “Jews of conscience must organize with one foot inside the Jewish community and one foot outside it.”

    When Jews, and all other racial, ethnic, nationalistic, genderistic, ageistic and divisive “ism” and “istic” oriented groups, put both feet inside the earthling community and leave the tribalism and otherism behind, that’s when the world will finally begin to heal. This “us and them” stuff is the core of the problem with the human condition. Okay. I know. Dream on. And now I have to go attend my local Celtic separatist gathering. Because as everybody knows, it’s we Irish who are really better than everybody else. Go Leprechauns!

  7. chocopie
    chocopie on July 24, 2014, 12:16 pm

    “the first strip of Palestinian land that was granted (relative) freedom”

    He can actually write that phrase and it doesn’t even slow him down.

  8. CitizenC
    CitizenC on July 24, 2014, 12:16 pm

    Jews of conscience must organize with one foot inside the Jewish community and one foot outside it. That is the only way to move the Jewish establishment, and America. Jewish Voice for Peace: a rally against the massacre, today in NY:

    “One foot inside, one foot outside” is a 50-year old illusion. It has separated the “progressive Jews” from the secular left, except as gatekeepers, and blocked any real analysis of and opposition to the “Jewish community”.

    Only by recovering classical liberal standards can we think, let alone act. “To the Jews as a nation, nothing; to the Jews as individuals, everything,” said Count Clermont-Tonerre in the debates over emancipation in the French national assembly.

    In today’s idiom, “Jewish people yes, Zionism no!” Where Zionism includes separatist “Jewish politics” on the left, with its truncated agenda of “anti-occupation” (Quote from a chant outside a JCC a few atrocities ago)

    • RoHa
      RoHa on July 24, 2014, 7:56 pm

      “Jewish people yes, Zionism no!”

      Or, more comprehensively,

      “Jewish people – yes; The Jewish People – no!”

  9. chinese box
    chinese box on July 24, 2014, 12:39 pm

    J Street is really just a copy of “Americans for Peace Now”, right? Maybe they should have a merger to cut costs.

  10. seafoid
    seafoid on July 24, 2014, 12:53 pm

    Zionism is a butchery cult

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-abstention-from-un-gaza-vote-shameful-1.1876803

    “The Israeli ambassador to Ireland Boaz Modai this morning criticised the UN Human Rights Council, saying it protected terrorists.
    Asked on Newstalk FM whether he felt ashamed by the deaths of more than 700 people so far in the Israeli offensive in Gaza, he said: “I don’t feel even a bit of shame; I feel a lot of pride being part of this country. I was also in the Israeli army, the most moral army in the world.””

  11. Donald
    Donald on July 24, 2014, 12:54 pm

    Okay, while all this is great, and I mean that, time to come back to reality.

    Here’s the very recent CNN poll, conducted July 18-20.

    link

    As you can see, the great American people side with Israel on taking action in Gaza 57 to 34 percent.

    60 percent of Americans have a very or mostly favorable opinion of Israel. This is down slightly from earlier polls, which are more like the high 60s. What does it take to knock Israel’s poll ratings down to, say, the hardcore Bush supporter levels? (Anecdotally I’ve heard that’s in the 20’s–you’ll always have a hard core of Americans in favor of brutality and death for foreigners.) Evidently a couple of weeks of violence and several hundred dead Palestinian civilians won’t do it.

    56 percent think the amount of violence used by Israel is too little or about right.

    Elsewhere I’ve seen numbers from this poll where they break it down according to age, sex, income, race, etc… and there the numbers are more hopeful, with younger people and non-whites being less favorable to Israel. I don’t see that breakdown at this site, though I just looked at it. Might be further down.

    Anyway, you don’t overcome decades of hasbara that quickly and on top of that I very strongly suspect there’s a component of good old fashioned racism involved here along with our cultural heritage as people who stole the land from Native Americans. Israel is “like us”, and the Palestinians are the Other. Getting that to change could require a generational shift.

    • Donald
      Donald on July 24, 2014, 1:00 pm

      Okay, here’s the poll with the numbers broken down by age sex and so forth–

      link to pdf file

      And I was partly wrong about the difference between white and nonwhite. Not that big with respect to Israel. But on the subject of whether force on Gaza was justified, you do see a significant difference.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 24, 2014, 1:40 pm

        Is the operation in Gaza justified ?

        18-34 47% y /45% n
        65+ 67% y /23% n

        The Dersh is going to die and so will his cohort.
        Think of all the money the bots spend to get a draw in the 18-34 group where most people don’t even watch TV news or read newspapers.

        Trend it out 20 years.
        The 18-34s will have kids . 10-17 will be even less fond of Israel. God only knows what stage fascism will have reached in Israel.

        Eventually Israel will drop the US and try with Asia

        http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/045dca8a-6725-11e3-a5f9-00144feabdc0.html

        “The main issue Israel faces is that in contrast to the US, emerging powers like China won’t help Israel pursue its political agenda. They don’t give a damn about the Palestinians but they don’t give a damn about Israel and European Jewish history either. They will buy technology from Israel, buy oil from Iran and then sell second-rate copies of Israeli technology to Iran and watch them fight each other from a safe distance.
        Israel will never have as sympathetic a global hegemon to support it as the present-day United States. Maybe they should cash in their chips now and look for detente with regional powers like Iran and peace with the Palestinians instead of living with the shrapnel in their butt.
        But that would involve giving up that piece of land East of the Wailing Wall and West of the River Jordan and guys like Naftali Bennett think God promised it to him. I’m waiting for someone rational in Israel to call bulls**t on Bennett and other settlers. ”

        Israel is not going to make it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 24, 2014, 3:11 pm

        “Israel is not going to make it.”

        And they came this close, too.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 24, 2014, 4:00 pm

        They would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky kids they keep on killing.

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976 on July 24, 2014, 1:38 pm

      The road is long. Thanks for the information, distinctly depressing though it is.

    • michelle
      michelle on July 24, 2014, 4:29 pm

      .
      odds are the poll takers are basing their opinions on
      the lies heard by the government and the media
      years and years of lies
      .
      before asking someones opinion best to be sure
      they know at least two sides of the story
      that way they have a better chance of
      basing their opinion on the truth
      ……………………………………………………….
      .It was six men of Indostan To learning much inclined,
      Who went to see the Elephant (Though all of them were blind),
      That each by observation Might satisfy his mind.
      .The First approached the Elephant, And happening to fall
      Against his broad and sturdy side, At once began to bawl:
      “God bless me! but the Elephant Is very like a WALL!”
      .The Second, feeling of the tusk, Cried, “Ho, what have we here,
      So very round and smooth and sharp? To me ’tis mighty clear
      This wonder of an Elephant Is very like a SPEAR!”
      .The Third approached the animal, And happening to take
      The squirming trunk within his hands, Thus boldly up and spake:
      “I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant Is very like a SNAKE!”
      .The Fourth reached out an eager hand, And felt about the knee
      “What most this wondrous beast is like Is mighty plain,” quoth he:
      “‘Tis clear enough the Elephant Is very like a TREE!”
      .The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear, Said: “E’en the blindest man
      Can tell what this resembles most; Deny the fact who can,
      This marvel of an Elephant Is very like a FAN!”
      .The Sixth no sooner had begun About the beast to grope,
      Than seizing on the swinging tail That fell within his scope,
      “I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant Is very like a ROPE!”
      .And so these men of Indostan Disputed loud and long,
      Each in his own opinion Exceeding stiff and strong,
      Though each was partly in the right, And all were in the wrong!
      .
      .So oft in theologic wars, The disputants, I ween,
      Rail on in utter ignorance Of what each other mean,
      And prate about an Elephant Not one of them has seen!
      ..John Godfrey Saxe
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

    • Ellen
      Ellen on July 25, 2014, 12:09 am

      Yes, Donald, break it down. Old white men.

  12. jimby
    jimby on July 24, 2014, 1:24 pm

    Of late I am often reminded of something the father of a friend told me. He had neighbors in the Klan, he called them Klu Kluckers. He said they were good neighbors, their kids played with his.

  13. kalithea
    kalithea on July 24, 2014, 1:51 pm

    Yair Lapid is being interviewed on CNN. I’ve never heard more lies in ten minutes. Not one milimeter of compassion; not even the hasbara motions on compassion; he goes straight to the hasbara bullshet. He’s just disgusting–arrgh!

  14. wondering jew
    wondering jew on July 24, 2014, 2:23 pm

    “Jews of conscience must organize with one foot inside the Jewish community and one foot outside it. That is the only way to move the Jewish establishment, and America.”

    So how come I’m criticized when i say that Phil Weiss’s one foot inside the Jewish community is a fake foot that he has put there, not out of any inherent sense of belonging, but because he feels he needs a foot inside the community. In fact Phil has both feet solidly outside the community. Fine. but don’t pretend otherwise. Let Marc Ellis be the foot inside the community and you can be the foot outside the community, that would work too. but don’t pretend otherwise.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on July 24, 2014, 3:04 pm

      “So how come I’m criticized when i say that Phil Weiss’s one foot inside the Jewish community is a fake foot that he has put there, not out of any inherent sense of belonging”

      Phil, how many times did I tell you wrap your head in thick aluminum foil before going to bed!! Look what’s happened now, it’s just like a warned you! Yonah Freedman got inside your brain, and now he’s busted you for lacking ” any inherent sense of belonging”. I been trying to tell you, Zionists have ways of knowing these things!

      But Yonah, don’t you sort of think you are trespassing on medical privacy issues when you reveal Phil Weiss also has a wooden leg, which he apparently leaves everywhere?.

      I happen to know, Yonah, that you have a glass eye. Oh you try and hide it, but it always comes out in the conversation!

      Oh, almost forgot! “How come I’m criticized…” you ask, Yonah? Basically, because you are. not to put to fine a point on it, a jerk. “Not out of any inherent sense of belonging” Kish mir en toches, Yonah Yoanah, you wanna ask me where I’d like to put my foot?

    • Mooser
      Mooser on July 24, 2014, 3:17 pm

      “Let Marc Ellis be the foot inside the community and you can be the foot outside the community”

      Maybe you should carve that in stone tablets, Yonah, since you are so good at giving commandments. But you’ll need another nine, since you threw out the first ten.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on July 24, 2014, 3:59 pm

        There is only one commandment now Mooser

        1.This is Erez Israel hashlemah and if you disagree we’ll shoot you, you miserable antisemite

    • jimby
      jimby on July 24, 2014, 4:22 pm

      Oy, poor Phil. He didn’t have the chutzpah to shoot himself in the foot. Thanks Yonah.

  15. Mooser
    Mooser on July 24, 2014, 2:56 pm

    “and call for democracy, for a binational state, anything to end the long nightmare of religious nationalism.”

    And just compensation for all those displaced or harmed by the Zionist project! ROTFLMSJAO!
    I find the idea, that even now, especially now, Zionism can be a two-way street, to be hilarious. If Zionism didn’t make a science of doing things which are irrevocable, they wouldn’t still be around.
    So can Zionism afford to make restitution, possibly absorb some reverses, and make itself a good neighbor in the ME? I’m not sure the US can afford that. Can Israel?

  16. W.Jones
    W.Jones on July 24, 2014, 3:02 pm

    In the latest New York Review of Books (not yet online), Jonathan Freedland praises Ari Shavit’s neo-Zionist book, My Promised Land, and dismisses John Judis’s book on Truman, Genesis, by saying that Jews– and he and I agree that Jews matter– will only hear criticism of Israel when it comes from inside the fold.

    I don’t get it. How is Judis’ book outside the community a the way that Ari’s is not?

    Didn’t Judis actually go to a Jewish community center to talk about his book, in a controversial event? If so, doesn’t that mean that he was making criticism from inside the community?

    Maybe what Freedland really means underneath is that Shavit supports Israeli nationalism, while Judis doesn’t. In other words, someone who supports the conquest is “inside”, while someone who doesn’t support conquest is therefore “outside”.

  17. seafoid
    seafoid on July 24, 2014, 4:21 pm

    Israeli women do Gaza strip for IDF

    Facebook campaign calls on individuals to shed their clothes in order to boost soldiers’ morale
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-women-do-gaza-strip-for-idf

    “Think of these pictures any time it gets hard (in any way…),” Beyo advised the soldiers.
    “Remember what you’re fighting for and what is waiting for you back home.”

    • just
      just on July 24, 2014, 4:35 pm

      That’s sick.

      Takes w*horing for Israel to a new low.

    • Pixel
      Pixel on July 24, 2014, 6:40 pm

      And, now, more on our special news segment, “On Sex and War”…

      Israeli scholar: ‘Only raping the sister of a terrorist can deter him’

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 24, 2014, 8:06 pm

        Yes, I noticed that little drop from the deep well of ethics we keep hearing about.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on July 24, 2014, 8:38 pm

      Israeli women do Gaza strip for IDF

      Facebook campaign calls on individuals to shed their clothes in order to boost soldiers’ morale

      More genocidal porn.

      What about the poor LGBT members of the IDF? Don’t they need a bit if morale boosting. Come on guys, get off your gear and be patriotic for your troops.

      And what about the transgenders? Where’s your patriotism?

      And where’s the life for the pedophiles? They must be getting blue balls over seeing all those children blown up without being able to defile them.

      • mikeo
        mikeo on July 25, 2014, 7:04 am

        What about the poor LGBT members of the IDF? Don’t they need a bit if morale boosting. Come on guys, get off your gear and be patriotic for your troops.

        We got you covered there brother…

        Mixed reactions to Israelis’ erotic moral-boosting Facebook effort

        Boys, what about the gay soldiers? They need to know you are behind them, too, so join the effort and send your naked photos!

        Israeli women are showing support for the IDF — by showing their boobs

        Israelis must be the most tone-deaf people on earth – I am coming around to Seafoid’s linguistic theory of the “Hebrew Ghetto” insulating them from the reality of how they are perceived…

        They really are beyond parody :(

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 25, 2014, 12:52 pm

        “Seafoid’s linguistic theory of the “Hebrew Ghetto” insulating them from the reality of how they are perceived…”

        IIANM, Seafoid’s perception about how Israel uses a made-up (not “revived”) Hebrew to isolate Israelis from the world is shared by many.

      • mikeo
        mikeo on July 25, 2014, 3:07 pm

        Yiddish is a big loss…

  18. seafoid
    seafoid on July 24, 2014, 4:41 pm

    http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20140721_killing_of_abu_jame_family
    “Initial findings: 25 members of a single family killed when their house was bombed, apparently without warning

    On Sunday, 20 July 2014, at around 7:00 PM, the home of the Abu Jame’ family in the Bani Suheila neighborhood, northeast of Khan Yunis, came under attack.

    Israeli forces bombed the four-story building that is home to the extended family: the matriarch, Fatmeh Abu Jame’, her four sons, and their wives and children. The family were eating iftar, the meal that breaks Ramadan fasting for the day.

    B’Tselem’s initial findings indicate that the likely target of the attack was Ahmad Suliman Sahmoud, a member of Hamas’ military wing, who was visiting a member of the family.

    Everyone in the house at the time of the bombing was hurt: 25 members of the Abu Jame’ family were killed, as well as Hamas operative Sahmoud. The rest were injured, including at least three of Fatmeh Abu Jame’s sons and one of her daughters, who were taken to the a-Nasser medical center in Khan Yunis. Many bodies were buried under the rubble and removed only this morning.

    Information B’Tselem has at this stage indicates that no warning was issued and no warning missile was fired prior to the attack. B’Tselem continues its investigation of the incident.

    Full list of fatalities, according to B’Tselem’s initial field investigation:

    The family matriarch:

    1. Fatmeh Ahmad Abu Jame’, 60

    Her daughter-in-law and her family:
    2. Sabah Abu Jame’, 35
    3. Razan Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame’, 14
    4. Jawdat Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame’, 13
    5. Aya Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame’, 12
    6. Haifaa Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame’, 9
    7. Ahmad Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame’, 8
    8. Maysaa Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame’, 7
    9. Tawfiq Tawfiq Ahmad Abu Jame’, 4

    Her daughter-in-law and her family:

    10. Shahinaz Walid Muhammad Abu Jame’, 29, pregnant
    11. Fatmeh Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame’, 12
    12. Ayub Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame’, 10
    13. Rayan Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame’, 5
    14. Rinat Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame’, 2
    15. Nujud Taysir Ahmad Abu Jame’, 4 months

    Her daughter-in-law and her family:

    16. Yasmin Ahmad Salameh Abu Jame’, 25, pregnant
    17. Bitul Bassam Ahmad Abu Jame’, 4
    18. Soheila Bassam Ahmad Abu Jame’, 3
    19. Bisan Bassam Ahmad Abu Jame’, 6 months

    Her son and daughter-in-law

    20. Yasser Ahmad Muhammad Abu Jame’, 27
    21. Fatmeh Riad Abu Jame’, 26, pregnant
    22. Sajedah Yasser Ahmad Abu Jame’,7
    23. Siraj Yasser Ahmad Abu Jame’, 4
    24. Nur Yasser Ahmad Abu Jame’, 2

    Two others killed:

    25. Husam Husam Abu Qeins, 7 (Fatmeh’s grandson)
    26. Ahmad Suliman Sahmoud, 34 (Hamas operative)”

  19. seafoid
    seafoid on July 24, 2014, 4:57 pm

    Ideological crisis par excellence or why 24 members of the Abu Jame’ family had to die – because Israel is with the angels. WTF

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.607131
    “Israel vs. Hamas is a war between good and evil ”

    BY S Daniel Abraham

    “For Israel to accept or declare a ceasefire at this time will achieve nothing for Israel other than a guarantee of another war with Hamas in a year or two or three. And that is because nothing about Hamas will have changed. Before this war it was committed to the destruction of Israel and to murdering as many Israeli Jews as it could and this commitment remains paramount to Hamas. The only thing that will stop it is the total disarming of Hamas, a terrorist organization that has hijacked a country.

    The United States learned this lesson seventy years ago when it confronted equally implacable enemies toward whom only one strategy could be effective: complete demilitarisation. In the case of Hamas that means, as it meant in the case of the Germans and the Japanese, complete demilitarization.

    A Hamas that is permitted to maintain access to any missiles, any long-range weaponry, or any machine guns for that matter remains a life-threatening threat to the citizens of Israel. Although everyone knows that Israel has nuclear weapons, no one fears for a moment that it will introduce these weapons in its war against Hamas. Does anybody, including the Israel-haters and assorted anti-Semites who recently demonstrated in Paris, doubt that if Hamas had nuclear weapons it would try and drop them on Israel?

    Israel’s goal, therefore, is simple to state, but difficult to achieve. It must wipe out or take possession of all the missiles Hamas has, and it must destroy all the tunnels that Hamas uses to try and infiltrate Israel, and achieve a complete demilitarization of Gaza.

    The Allies understood in 1945 that anything less than total surrender by the Nazis and the Japanese would guarantee their continued attempts to kill Americans and the other Allied forces. In those days, the Allies were far more indiscriminate in their bombing than Israel is today. Even prior to the use of the atom bomb, the Allied bombings killed some 25,000 civilians in Dresden, 42,000 in Hamburg and 125,000 in Tokyo.

    Israel is doing everything in its power not to kill civilians, and it would succeed in that goal if not for Hamas’ demonic placement of its missile sites in the midst of Gazan residential neighborhood and population centers. When Israel is threatened by Hamas missiles, it sends its citizens into bomb shelters. Gaza doesn’t build bomb shelters (for one thing it doesn’t want to divert concrete from building its terrorist tunnels), because the Hamas leaders want civilians, children in particular, killed, thereby hoping to turn world opinion against Israel.

    One day, the Gazan people will realize what the Italian people realized too late about Mussolini, that he was never their friend and he didn’t care if they died; that’s why it was Italians who killed him. And one day the Gazan people will realize what the German people realized too late, that the man who caused them more misery than anyone else in the entire history of Germany was Adolf Hitler. And one day the Gazans will realize that voting into power a government that places missiles mixed in among its citizens’ homes, thereby inviting attacks, is a government that despises them and despises their children. “

    • lysias
      lysias on July 24, 2014, 5:00 pm

      If it’s a war between good and evil, I know which side is the evil one.

      The only thing that will stop it is the total disarming of Hamas, a terrorist organization that has hijacked a country.

      How about totally disarming the terrorist organization(s) that has/have hijacked Israel?

    • RoHa
      RoHa on July 24, 2014, 6:41 pm

      ” Does anybody, including the Israel-haters and assorted anti-Semites who recently demonstrated in Paris, doubt that if Hamas had nuclear weapons it would try and drop them on Israel?”

      I doubt it.

  20. surewin
    surewin on July 24, 2014, 5:00 pm

    “The ongoing Gaza massacre is exposing the fact that whatever its merits on paper as a Jewish liberation story, Zionism unfolded in the real world to become what we see in the news, a violent and racist regime that, backed by powerful Americans, has lost touch with moral norms and is justly isolated in world opinion.” – Phil Weiss

    The words “has lost touch with moral norms” makes it sound like it happened recently. Presumably when the decision to attack Gaza was made.

    I think what has happened recently is that the U.S. mounted a serious effort to resolve the Israel/Palestinian conflict; the Israeli government refused to cooperate; the Palestinians merged their political organizations; the Israeli government decided to attack Gaza; and worldwide perceptions of Israel reached a breaking point.

    I don’t think that Israel or the Israeli government just recently lost touch with moral norms.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on July 25, 2014, 1:07 pm

      “I don’t think that Israel or the Israeli government just recently lost touch with moral norms.”

      But isn’t it wonderful to think that with just a little “the-spirits-have-done-it-all-in-one night!” moral conversion by Israel, things will get better? Nobody gets hurt, it all gets better.
      It looks to me like Zionism decided quite a while ago to hurry to a place where “moral norms” could have no effect.

  21. ritzl
    ritzl on July 24, 2014, 6:59 pm

    “Presumably the counter-demonstration would have been far larger.”

    That and all the pix coming out of Gaza would make a “pro-Israel” demonstration a “pro-slaughter” demonstration to the vast majority of normal passersby, at the height of DC tourist season (a little souvenir to share with the folks back home; the Doomsday scenario).

  22. Marnie
    Marnie on July 25, 2014, 6:34 am

    MJ Rosenberg has gone further than JJ Goldberg.
    ” Any Jew who is not sickened by Israel’s behavior has forgotten what it means to be a Jew. Perhaps a visit to the Holocaust museum or Yad Vashem will provide a refresher course…”

    Fine but that would entail a trip to israel and, oops, no flights available! Wait though, there’s holocaust museums in america, where the country had concentration camps for……Americans of Japanese descent……shoot, this didn’t go the way i wanted it to at all.
    Seriously, does a jew really have to visit Yad Vashem in order to remember their own humanity?

  23. Mooser
    Mooser on July 25, 2014, 1:00 pm

    ” Any Jew who is not sickened by Israel’s behavior has forgotten what it means to be a Jew.”

    Gosh, there’s a big division between those who think there is a moral solution and those who know “an application of power” is necessary.

    OK, MJ, and if every Jew in the world was “sickened by Israel’s behavior” that would change “Israel’s behavior” how, exactly? Would it pick their pocket, or break their leg? Of course “behavior” instead of oh, “war crimes” or just “crimes”? Like Israel is a bad child?

    There’s got to be a name for this type of hasbara. It’s very, very cynical. It could be called maybe ‘moral hasbara‘? (Nope, need something better than that).
    You suggest a moral solution is available, neatly forgetting that Zionism ,by it’s very nature is impervious to moral criticism. Also has the wonderful effect of completely circumventing the fact that Jews, as Jews, have no influence on “the Jewish State. It comforts while it pretends to indict.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on July 25, 2014, 4:02 pm

      Mooser
      Application of power is where it is at. People to walk into the IDF kirya in Tel aviv and start bitchslapping. Like that spreadsheet guy who is managing the Detroit bankruptcy.

  24. Lanny V Stricherz
    Lanny V Stricherz on July 25, 2014, 1:22 pm

    “As our mainstream media conveys overwhelming images of civilian deaths in Gaza, to the point that even our politicians are unnerved by the burden of service for the Jewish state”

    How unnerved can they be, when the US Senate votes 100-0 in support of Israel’s genocide? They have not been able to agree on anything including the time of day or day of the week for years. They took over 3 years to pass a farm bill and now are over two years on a highway bill. But when it come to Israel they can vote with no dissent or discussion in a day 100-0.

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