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Pearl Jam’s Eddie Vedder says Israel is using our taxes to ‘drop bombs on children’ and take land

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This is excellent. On Friday night, Pearl Jam played Buckinghamshire, England, and in its second encore did an old hit, Daughter, and at 4 minutes, Eddie Vedder began talking about Israel’s war on Gaza. Mentioning neither by name, he knows the f—ing story.

His speech begins after he reflects on the peaceful scene before him:

At the same time this positive is happening, at the same fucking time, not even that far away, fucking dropping bombs on each other. And I get if war is the last resort… I get it, I get it….
But I swear to fucking god, there are some people out there who are looking for a reason to kill. They’re looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn’t belong to them and they should get the fuck out and mind their own fucking business…
[They should make some art, listen to music… eat, work, love] Everyone’s  the fucking same. So why are people at war. Stop the f— sh-t, now!
We don’t want to give them our money, they don’t get our taxes, to drop bombs on children. Now!
[Segueing into War’s antiwar anthem] War, what is it good for, absolutely nothing!

I see the Jerusalem Post has the story, as an “anti-Israel rant.” Yes, political culture is changing.

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  1. Talkback
    July 14, 2014, 8:49 am

    Of course it’s anti-Israel, if “Israel” stands for ‘taking US tax money to drop bombs on children’.

  2. eljay
    July 14, 2014, 9:01 am

    >> I see the Jerusalem Post has the story, as an “anti-Israel rant.”

    “Eddie Vedder, your true face is finally being revealed,” Red wrote. “You are invited not to come here. I personally do not want to see you, and I will erase the Facebook page calling on bringing [Pearl Jam] to Israel, but not before I expose who you really are.”

    Wow, threatening to wipe Vedder off the FB map. That’s harsh. Should Red find Vedder in Israel, is he also going to push him into the sea (of Galilee)?

    • Justpassingby
      July 14, 2014, 10:22 am

      its safe to say that like palestinians, Pearl Jam would be attacked on the streets in Israel. Crazy regime.

  3. Ron Edwards
    July 14, 2014, 9:02 am

    Say the names next time, Eddie, say the names.

    • Justpassingby
      July 14, 2014, 10:20 am

      I see what you mean but this brave have in my book done more than enough as an individual.

  4. just
    July 14, 2014, 9:08 am

    I hope that Sasha and Malia will show this to their Mom and Dad. I hope that this goes viral. Congresscrits have kids, some might love PJ.

    Thank you MW, Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam.

  5. a blah chick
    July 14, 2014, 9:09 am

    Also the Neil Young gig in Israel is off. Some are saying that the security people told him not to come citing “security” issues.


  6. Kay24
    July 14, 2014, 9:18 am

    This is Israel’s stupid logic: They decide who Hamas sympathizers are, they decide who must be killed, then they decide where they are, and they send their precision bombs into homes where innocent men, women, and children are taking shelter, and kill more civilians than any so called Hamas officials. Basically they are doing to the Palestinian people, what they will never tolerate being done to them. They feed on US aid and weapons, and then turn around and bomb the hell out of vulnerable civilians, who are helpless to protect themselves. Yeah, the US should be so proud that it’s dollars are supporting these monsters. I cannot believe these congresspeople can see the brutality of the Israelis, they must be parents, grandparents, and should have at least an iota of conscience, to feel that they are also compliant in these war crimes?
    Or are they so hell bent on depending on Israeli lobbies to win their elections, that brown skinned babies being blasted into pieces, do not make them lose sleep.
    The biggest joke is, Bibi is responsible for every civilian life lost, and he blames Hamas for those deaths. Really? Who the hell put a gun into his thick head and told him to send his human animals to bomb civilians? Would he be just as callous, if Hamas deliberately sent bombs to civilian filled homes, where the IDF were supposed to be? Maybe a rocket striking his home might make him feel, if he has any feeling, what these poor Palestinian people are going through. But wait, maybe he has a special bunker padded with silk, where his family can hide, unlike these victims.

    • Kay24
      July 14, 2014, 9:32 am

      What I really wanted to say is, these were fantastic words by Eddie Veddar.
      He nails it perfectly. These are words I want to hear from the leaders in this country, less colorful obviously! He says what we all feel. Just stop it.
      I hope more celebrities speak out like this. I guess the hollywood crowd will be more interested in making sure they get their roles and the big bucks, rather than criticize the hands that feed ’em.

  7. joer
    July 14, 2014, 9:55 am

    On a similar note, the other day while I did a search for Gaza on Twitter to see if bombs were falling-The pop group One Way sent out a “pray for Gaza” tweet. It’s kind of sad that such a brief mention of human suffering would seem such a big deal, but maybe it shows the wall of silence is crumbling.

    • Sumud
      July 14, 2014, 1:20 pm

      That’s hilarious Justpassingby.

      It’s always fun to read comments by people with only a casual knowledge of I/P, as they interact with and are inevitably turned off by the hysterical hasbara crew.

      This one is especially interesting because Vedder never named Israel. A lot of pricked consciences out there…

      • just
        July 14, 2014, 1:28 pm

        victims and paranoid @ the same time?

        The Truth hurts. what a bummer.

  8. dimadok
    July 14, 2014, 10:34 am

    Very cute and in tone with times…
    It would bear more validity if he had made this statement completely naked- without any clothes made in China, without the electronics made in China and saying that he won’t be able to make shows in Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, UK, Germany, Spain, Mauritania, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, India, Belarussia, Serbia, Brasil, Colombia, USA, Turkey, France etc.
    Then I’d really believe it.

    • Kris
      July 14, 2014, 11:11 am

      @dimadok, You covered the “bad things happening in other countries, so don’t criticize Israel’s incremental genocide in Palestine.”

      Looking forward to “anti-semitic, delegitimizing, Jewish pre-eminence in the U.S. Civil Rights movement, terror in Israeli bomb shelters, Arabs not ready for democracy/don’t love their children, and Holocaust,” too.

      • dimadok
        July 14, 2014, 12:20 pm

        I didn’t bring any of these arguments before and certainly will not use them here. It is a survival war by Israel and a suicidal war by Hamas. Hamas cannot win, it can only prolong its demise. Civilians are suffering and the duty of any state, including Israel, is to alliviate it by any means. Meanwhile Hamas means are not working. Ours do.

      • eljay
        July 14, 2014, 1:23 pm

        >> dimadokeee: It is a survival war by Israel …

        Not by Israel – by oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”. That’s what bothers Zio-supremacists.

        >> … Civilians are suffering and the duty of any state, including Israel, is to alliviate it by any means.

        That sounds so noble! It’s a shame that “any means” do not include Israel:
        – immediately ending its 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
        – withdrawing to within its / Partition borders;
        – honouring its obligations under international law;
        – accepting responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
        – agreeing to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      • Sumud
        July 14, 2014, 1:31 pm

        Dimadok – Do you believe the Warsaw Ghetto jews who fought back were terrorists or heroes?

      • just
        July 14, 2014, 1:43 pm

        Great, simple question.

        Thanks, Sumud.

      • Giles
        July 14, 2014, 1:39 pm

        A survival war by Israel? Wow. It is a war to continued the expulsion of non-Jews from Greater Israel.

        How can these racist, violence loving, oppressors spin reality around so much that they view themselves as the victims?

        Simply incomprehensible to anyone living outside (as much as that is possible in our society) the hasbara bubble.

      • pjdude
        July 14, 2014, 4:24 pm

        For it to be a war if survival wouldn’t israel survival have to be threatened. Your just another psychopathic zionist

      • oldgeezer
        July 14, 2014, 8:15 pm

        “It is a survival war by Israel and a suicidal war by Hamas. Hamas cannot win,”

        How could you even type that with a straight face. The Palestinians don’t have an army or airforce. They have a poorly armed civilian militia.

        If it’s suicidal for Hamas and they can’t win then it’s not a war for survival is it.

      • Shingo
        July 15, 2014, 7:17 am

        It is a survival war by Israel and a suicidal war by Hamas.

        No it is not. It’s a sadistic, and murderous turkey shoot of domination and control. Israel’s survival is not remotely threatened by Hamas.

        Hamas cannot win, it can only prolong its demise.

        The jews in the Warsaw Ghettos were never going to win either. Their uprising probably hastened their demise, but the world remembers them for their courage.

        Civilians are suffering and the duty of any state, including Israel, is to alleviate it by any means

        What re you talking about? the only civilians that are suffering are the ones your murderous government is bombing. Having to stop watching a world cup game to move to your bunker is not suffering.’

        You sound like Paris Hilton wining when she wakes up with a pimple on her face.

    • seafoid
      July 14, 2014, 12:12 pm

      Fine, Dim. By the same token forget about the holocaust unless you also mention genghis khan, Cortes, the irish potato famine, stalin, pol pot and mao.

    • iResistDe4iAm
      July 14, 2014, 12:40 pm

      What? …Whatabout China?

      Although China illegally and brutally occupies Tibet,
      – at least it does not ethnically cleanse the indigenous Tibetans from their homes & land in order to replace them with imported Chinese colonial settlers.
      – at least it does not execute Tibetan suspects without trial by warplane, by bombing them in public areas or in their homes, killing many innocent bystanders.
      – at least it does not use its state-of-the-art warplanes, warships and artillery to blitzkrieg, cluster and phosphorus bomb its defenceless Tibetan victims.

      Although China runs a brutal police state in occupied Tibet,
      – at least it does not kidnap Tibetan children from their beds in the middle of the night, then blindfold/shackle, torture and imprison them.
      – at least it does not build impenetrable walls and fences around its Tibetan victims, and a myriad of checkpoints and roadblocks between them.
      – at least it does not impose 7+ year sieges against the defenceless Tibetans, in ruthless acts of collective punishment.

      Although China shoots escaping Tibetans as they try to flee across the border,
      – at least it does not shoot unarmed Tibetan civilians carrying white flags as they try to flee dangerous war zones.
      – at least it does not use Tibetan children as human shields and booby-trap bomb detectors.
      – at least it does not murder international humanitarian activists in international waters.

      Although China, India, USA and Indonesia (to name a few) are brutal occupiers, at least they don’t use their own civilians as human shields by deliberately placing them in subsidised settlements on stolen land deep inside occupied foreign countries (countries with which they are still at war).

      Israel, the most immoral occupier in the world.

      • DaBakr
        July 14, 2014, 1:40 pm


        oh, i think you came up with a new term that goes nicely with the idiotic ‘whataboutism’. You have nailed the ‘atleastery’ in your description of China [btw-China absolutely DOES replace Tibetans with people and officials from the dominant culture, does execute Tibetan activists and as for an “impenetrable wall”? The Great Wall comes to mind but then China would claim it was only to keep ‘hordes’ out]
        Anyway-‘atleastery’ is at least as dumb as ‘whataboutery’ but your last paragraph is quite interesting and makes a good point about the conflict although I am not sure it was intended to be read the way it can be interpreted.

      • iResistDe4iAm
        July 15, 2014, 12:06 am

        China did not ethnically cleanse Tibet. Tibetan leaders and dissidents have sought asylum in exile, but China doesn’t summarily execute them, their relatives or compatriots by bombing their homes using warplanes, or snuffing them out in foreign cities using death squads. China “incorporated”/annexed Tibet into China and granted its population citizenship. There are no Chinese only settlements or Chinese only roads in Tibet, and there is no Chinese National Fund that reserves land for the exclusive use of ethnic Chinese.

        Like Israel, China represses all resistance to its rule and arrests, tortures and imprisons Tibetans using kangaroo courts. But unlike Israel, it doesn’t kidnap children from their beds at night and subject them to the same draconian military courts, courts with near ‘perfect’ conviction rates of 99.74% for adults and 99.88% for children[*].

        In summary, China covets Tibet and its indigenous people, whereas Israel covets the remaining 22% of Palestine (it hasn’t already cleansed & conquered) but without its indigenous people.

        By all measures, Israel is still the most immoral occupier in the world.


      • Shingo
        July 15, 2014, 7:21 am

        oh, i think you came up with a new term that goes nicely with the idiotic ‘whataboutism’.

        I take it you are referring to dimadok. After all, he’s just demonstrated that next to Abe Foxman, he is the up and coming star of whataboutism.

        But hey I tell you what DaBakr. Make sure that the next time you hear China’s human rights record being criticized, you get on your bullhorn and demand they include Russia, Saudi Arabia, UK, Germany, Spain, Mauritania, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, India, Belarussia, Serbia, Brasil, Colombia, USA, Turkey, France etc. or they are hypocrites.

        Deal? There’s a good boy.

    • Sumud
      July 14, 2014, 1:24 pm

      Nation responsible for creating the largest refugee population in the world: Israel
      Nation maintaining the longest military occupation in the modern times: Israel
      Nation in violation of most UN resolutions: Israel

      Maybe Israel is more evil and messed up than have the courage to address.

    • traintosiberia
      July 14, 2014, 5:49 pm

      Do us a favor . Tell the Chinese as representative Israeli .Write as a Zionist pr anti Palestinian to their newspaper in response to the pro Israeli trolls .
      Do same to India . They have BJP run government and pro RSS media like Times of India and Hindustan Times and Indian Express. These media covet ME and the pro Israeli ,pro violence ,anti Muslim comments would sway you off balance. Post your opinion there as well.
      Don’t they need to know what the new suitor really thinks of them? Israel has already indicated that they would open more business,offices,increase contacts and activities in China and India.

    • Shingo
      July 15, 2014, 7:12 am

      It would bear more validity if he had made this statement completely naked- without any clothes made in China, without the electronics made in China and saying that he won’t be able to make shows in Russia, Saudi Arabia, China, UK, Germany, Spain, Mauritania, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, India, Belarussia, Serbia, Brasil, Colombia, USA, Turkey, France etc.

      Whatever you say Abe Foxman.

      And the next time you complain about rockets interrupting your viewing pleasure, please make sure you condemn the bombs dropped in Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Panama, Nicaragua, Grenada, Guatemala, Lebanon, El Salvador, Somalia, Bosnia, Yemen, Indonesia, Gaza, Libya etc.

      And then maybe you might be taken seriously.

  9. crone
    July 14, 2014, 10:36 am

    Greenwald speaks out in the Guardian

    As Israel continues to pound Gaza with meager efforts to avoid civilian casualties, the US’ role in funding Israel’s military and providing political protection at the UN has come into focus. Could Israel engage in such aggression against the Palestinians if the US were not providing arms, money, and UN vetoes?

    This question was addressed by Glenn Greenwald in the Guardian who notes US complicity in the bloodshed. Contrary to US media coverage, which paints America as some neutral outsider, Greenwald notes “Israeli aggression is possible only because of direct, affirmative, unstinting US diplomatic, financial and military support for Israel and everything it does.”

    Indeed without US cover at the UN, Israel may not be able to continuously bomb residential areas, arguably a war crime, without consequence. While bombing may satisfy the based instincts of some it has done nothing to resolve the conflict which many Israeli policymakers seem uninterested in doing in any case.

    That the Netanyahu government knows that any attempt to condemn Israel at the UN would be instantly blocked by the US is a major factor enabling them to continue however they wish. And, of course, the bombs, planes and tanks they are using are subsidized, in substantial part, by the US taxpayer.

    These facts get no play in US media, just maudlin lamentations about how tragic and impossible the Israel-Palestine conflict is. As if the US government is some neutral player, not a key enabler.

    Why should Israel make peace or even stop the killings if the US is giving them total unqualified support and protection? The US is not just not helping, it is exacerbating the situation by funding and protecting one side at the expense of any peace process.

    FDL has diary here

    • Kay24
      July 14, 2014, 11:52 am

      You are absolutely right. All it would take for Israel to stop the madness, would be for the US to threaten ALL aid, weapons and this sick support for Israel, completely stop it, and the world will hear a different tune. The US has threatened Israel before when it sold our weapons and secrets to China, which enraged the US, and that stopped the sale of some, so why the heck can’t they do the same here?
      It seems Israel’s sugar daddy is afraid the diva will have a major tantrum.

    • traintosiberia
      July 14, 2014, 7:37 pm

      Britain has a game plan- keep the far flung empire in business and protect the colonies with vassal,trading post,garrison state. Israel was added to the list with time horizon of 20 – 30 yrs . But it turned out to be a night mare. The salve threatened the master with killing the dog in it’s kennel ( Begin ) .
      What game plan US has? Iraq,Libya,Afghanistan have not produced any significant recurring sustainable return to the coffers. Arms made by government subsidies are being sold to US government . US is selling arms to Egypt and other countries who buy the arms from the money US sends as gift,loan,or Import and Export Bank . The money or dollar is recycled. Dollar is under threat . The legislators get bribed by various Israrli lobbies and societies . But those very lobbies and societies indirectly get funded by Israrl or by people who benefit from this arrangement . Interestingly the money sent to Israel make their way back through deceptive accounting practice , to US and go back to the lawmakers who are bribed with the same dollar that was originally sent out . Recycling business lifts a lot of boats but where does the country see any return to the citizen. It does not.
      This house of card can easily come down anytime . Dollars used and collected and hoarded by other countries may not allow the recycling too long .

      • Shingo
        July 15, 2014, 7:25 am

        Iraq,Libya,Afghanistan have not produced any significant recurring sustainable return to the coffers

        Unlike the British Empire, the ruling elite in the US were never concerned about returning money to the coffers. They see the treasury as a a giant pinata that they keep wanting to bash until it breaks open and they get to stuff themselves with more than they can east for generations.

        Of course, they know this is leading to disaster, but they don’t really care. I suspect the plan is to stuff their bank accounts sufficiently so that they can flee the country and life like kings which the country goes to hell.

      • lysias
        July 15, 2014, 10:27 am

        But what country can they go to that will (1) be willing to tolerate them and (2) be able to defend itself and to resist demands for extradition from the new revolutionary government in the U.S.?

  10. Basilio
    July 14, 2014, 11:06 am

    He made no mention of a particular country by name, but people of a certain country believe he’s referring to them. I wonder why.

    • Ron Edwards
      July 14, 2014, 12:11 pm

      Precisely. “People are stealing land and dropping bombs!” (which is true) “How dare you say we’re doing that?!” Self-indictment at its best.

  11. Walid
    July 14, 2014, 12:26 pm

    Hamas hacked into Israel’s system and broadcast email messages to 500,000 Israeli subscribers telling them that they are not safe from the resistance’s missiles in their shelters and that the missiles are not about to stop, and other war of nerves tactics to spook them.

    Shops are all open in Gaza with people going about in the streets with their children as if there is no war in progress. Several people interviewed said they are like that because they support their resistance 100% no matter what Israel does to them.

    • Walid
      July 14, 2014, 1:46 pm

      More wild news coming out of Palestine: Hamas announced it has hacked into Israel’s channel 10 and is currently broadcasting its message on that channel. This is getting crazy.

    • Sumud
      July 14, 2014, 2:52 pm

      I just read about that (the SMS hack) in Ynet. They certainly delivered a pointed message!!!

      The stupidity of your leadership has turned all of Israel into a firing range, and forced Israelis to hide in bomb shelters. We will continue to bomb every place in Israel until all of our legitimate demands are completely met.,7340,L-4543077,00.html

      Same article includes info about their drones including a photo of one of them carrying 4 missiles!

    • a blah chick
      July 14, 2014, 3:25 pm

      You see, this is what comes being so bigoted that you can’t conceive that your enemy is clever, smart, resilient and brave. This along with the failed commando raid and the continuing missile attacks, well Mr Sara, I would suggest a ceasefire. Maybe your country simply does not have what it takes to “win.”

  12. eljay
    July 14, 2014, 12:48 pm

    >> Hamas hacked into Israel’s system and broadcast email messages to 500,000 Israeli subscribers telling them that they are not safe from the resistance’s missiles in their shelters and that the missiles are not about to stop, and other war of nerves tactics to spook them.

    IMO, a more politically-savvy message – one that addressed the cause-and-effect nature of the current situation and highlighted Hamas’ reluctance to continue with its shelling – might have been more effective.

    • Sumud
      July 14, 2014, 2:56 pm

      Hey eljay the text they sent is quoted a few comment up by me to Walid. It does mention legitimate demands.

      • eljay
        July 14, 2014, 3:33 pm

        >> Sumud: Hey eljay the text they sent is quoted a few comment up by me to Walid. It does mention legitimate demands.

        Thanks, sumud. Unfortunately, that’s not quite the “politically-savvy” type of message I was envisioning. :-)

      • Sumud
        July 14, 2014, 10:36 pm

        No I didn’t think it would quite be a match!

        What would you have liked to see, in 3 lines?

      • eljay
        July 15, 2014, 8:33 am

        >> What would you have liked to see, in 3 lines?

        A three-line limit was the first mistake.

        The other mistakes, which they managed to squeeze into three lines, are:
        – referring to Israel as a “firing range”;
        – threatening to “continue to bomb every place in Israel”; and
        – not specifying a single demand.

        It is a message, but there’s nothing remotely “politically-savvy” about it. It’s exactly the kind of message Israel and the West can use to continue to demonize Palestinian resistance to the supremacist “Jewish State” and its immoral and unjust actions.

        IMHO only, of course. :-)

      • Walid
        July 14, 2014, 4:18 pm

        Israel’s channel 10 confirmed the hack. Jazeera put up a screen shot as well as actual video lifted off Channel 10 broadcast hacked by Hamas.

  13. Marnie
    July 14, 2014, 1:05 pm

    I’m not trying to be a jerk, but it’s a mistake here to call this “Pearl Jam’s Eddie Vedder says Israel is using our taxes to ‘drop bombs on children’ and take land” when he clearly did not specify Israel at all on this video. But everyone assumes (I think) that he’s talking about Israel, including the idiots that got onto his Facebook whining about him saying “Israel”. He didn’t. Isn’t that called projection or transference? I can’t get over the fact that the israeli’s are continuing to take the stand of the victim here instead of the perp. I only would hope that more and more people, especially in the mainstream news agencies, in Washington, etc., would come right out and say what so many already know. I’m sick and tired of the freakshow that is the state of israel.

    • Philip Weiss
      July 14, 2014, 2:16 pm

      I felt it was appropriate because J Post concluded that he was talking about Israel and it doesn’t seem that he could mean any other country. Dropping bombs on children, stealing land across a border, and with our tax money: I concluded the shoe fit only one country

      • Pat Nguyen
        July 14, 2014, 2:32 pm

        Phil, for real. You need to change the heading. As of right now, it is false.

      • libra
        July 14, 2014, 4:23 pm

        @Pat “for real” Nguyen

        So Pat, what country did you think Eddie Vedder was talking about?

      • Sumud
        July 14, 2014, 5:59 pm

        What country do you think Vedder was talking about Pat – if not Israel?

      • Cliff
        July 14, 2014, 6:39 pm


        No, you’re just a troll.

        You’re nobody to lecture Phil on how he edits HIS blog.

        Vedder was talking about the Jewish apartheid State.

        Get that through your skull, hasbarat.

      • pjdude
        July 14, 2014, 8:15 pm

        if its false that another country meets the criteria name it.

      • traintosiberia
        July 14, 2014, 11:12 pm

        Zionist as a group is getting demented. Now unable to recognize themselves .

      • Marnie
        July 15, 2014, 12:54 am

        Thanks for commenting regarding the title. I hesitated to say anything at all about it, for fear that it would be a dog whistle to the zionists to get into attack formation and I see that has happened. It would have with or without me, but I don’t like it all the same. All I was stating was about the accuracy and yes, it was very clear who Eddie Vedder was talking about and what I can conclude from the backlash it has received is the truth hurts, huh? Well, the truth will also set you free and the israelis are definitely “enslaved” by the falsehood of their existence in this land, who the land “belongs” to and their so-called “chosenness”. I converted to judaism years ago and what is called judaism in israel and what I understand from my learning and reading are not the same thing. Zionism is a disease, an all-consuming cancer ravaging the souls of its host. The cure is going to be very painful for some, but will rid the world of this horror.
        I’ve been reading Mondoweiss for a while now and am humbled by many of the good people here. I’m not on a par with the majority of you, but want to learn as much as I can and make a comment now and then. Thanks for the opportunity to do that.

  14. Pat Kittle
    July 14, 2014, 1:35 pm

    We’re supposed to be soooo scared to criticize Poor-Innocent-Little-Heroic-Victim-Israel, is that it?

    You mean those conniving war criminals who false flag other countries into fighting their cowardly quest for “Eretz Israel” which their fantasized deity “promised” them?

    THAT Israel??

    OK then, I better not criticize it.

  15. Walid
    July 14, 2014, 4:24 pm

    Ongoing talks in progress involving lifting of siege on Gaza in exchange of Hamas giving up long-range missiles, the building of a major port at Gaza and a world funding package of $50 billion for the rehabilitation of Gaza. Lead negotiator on this deal is Germany.

    • a blah chick
      July 14, 2014, 4:38 pm

      Why would anyone put up money to rebuild anything there? Israel’s just going to blow it up next time.

      • traintosiberia
        July 14, 2014, 11:07 pm

        Yes. Why build . Israel will find a reason to destroy it. The reasons Israel kept the blockade was to see the departure,death,and eventual disappearance of significant portion of Gazan to make way for seizure of the land again. Otherwise it makes no sense. The other reason is to periodically force US to fork out money. Sometimes I wonder if Israel could ever settle down as a normal country when it depends on squeezing the last drop of the juice from every benefactors it has or will have . It needs excuses to extract the oxygen from the brain dead American .

    • oldgeezer
      July 14, 2014, 8:33 pm

      No agreement with Israel means much. It’s managed to avoid living up to every agreement it has made with the Palestinians in the past. The Palestinians need some security guarantees to protect them from the murderous Israeli state.

  16. MHughes976
    July 14, 2014, 5:23 pm

    Thanks, Walid. The Reuters report talks of ‘the EU’, though I suppose that really means Germany. Egypt is apparently involved.
    If Gaza gets a major port under Gazan control we will at last have a piece of Palestine which has frontiers rather than a ring of Israeli control points. The nucleus of a 2ss?

    • Walid
      July 14, 2014, 5:42 pm

      Qatar and Egypt are the 2 other big players involved. I guess Jazeera got the tip because Qatar in involved. I’m rooting for the siege to be lifted by Egypt at least as everything would start to fall into place from that point. Meeting with German FM in Cairo tomorrow to try to make the deal with Kerry arriving a day later. Haniyeh’s televised speech tonight was more about thanking and commending the Gazans for having persevered than about what’s ahead; almost an announcement of some kind. Meanwhile, Hamas continues sending up missiles and Israel continues killing people.

    • lysias
      July 14, 2014, 5:53 pm

      And Israel would lose the gas that is offshore from Gaza. Somehow I doubt if they will agree.

      I wonder if Israel is now having regrets about having promoted the coup in Egypt.

  17. oldgeezer
    July 14, 2014, 11:59 pm

    Brian Eno joins the chorus

    And he had boots on the ground.

    Hmmm can’t see where I’ve coded the link wrong. And half asleep. so…

  18. kfkhalili
    July 15, 2014, 6:08 am

    The flag being waved by Zionists right now is that Hamas is using civilian shields, but how do you know that it’s true? In 2009, Israel used this same excuse about Palestinian armed groups using civilians as human shields. A UN Fact Finding Mission published a report saying otherwise.
    Search for the following keywords if you don’t want to read the whole thing, but I strongly urge you to read it all. There is nothing to hide. “Deliberate attacks” and “no evidence”.

    Also, here is the list of UN Security Council Violations committed by Israel since 1948, please note that there are 79 of them in total:

    Israel has the highest number of UN Security Council violations in the world, just so you’re aware.

    But to bring things into even more perspective, here are 21 official criticisms of Israel by the UN General Assembly, versus 4 for the entire world combined, and this is in 2013 only!

    Finally, I would like to leave you with this site to browse, they present sources with the information from Israeli or Jewish organizations, just for you to know that they are not biased.

    Thank you for reading this far. Please share if you found it convincing.

  19. iResistDe4iAm
    July 15, 2014, 9:54 am

    I wonder if Eddie Vedder will be forced to apologise, or be let off with impunity? He can always use one of the tried & tested boilerplate responses:

    A. Mea Culpa [apologies to Gary Oldman]
    I’m sorry but I mis-spoke. I’m an ‘A-hole’ and as you can see in the video, was under the influence after one too many swigs from a wine bottle. I, from my heart, I am profoundly, profoundly sorry and deeply apologetic. What I meant to say was…
    “IRAN is looking for a reason to kill. They’re looking for a reason to go across borders and take over land that doesn’t belong to them and IRAN should get the fuck out and mind their own fucking business…We don’t want IRAN to drop bombs on children.”

    B. Video was Staged or Edited [apologies to Michael Oren]
    We don’t know anything right now. There were two hours of film that were taken, only seven minutes were released of these films. The many inconsistencies indicate the video was staged or edited in a manipulative fashion by persons unknown, probably Arab bootleggers who, in any case, have infringed my intellectual property rights. The inconsistencies you see at the five minute mark where I rinse my vocal cords with mouth wash, a wine bottle has been videoshopped into the frames, do you see that? What I clearly remember articulating was that “IRAN is looking for a reason to kill…”, but the word IRAN has been edited out, in fact edited out multiple times. And the MI5 has a way of investigating this thing. There are many, many inconsistencies, but we’ll have to wait for the findings of the investigation.

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