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Tonight, Hamas official Ismail Radwan called for a third intifada on Al-Aqsa TV and other media outlets: “Our people in the West Bank, Gaza and inside [Israel], tomorrow is the day of rage, the day of confrontation, and the day of renewing the intifada.”

Hamas is attempting to ride popular sentiment and ignite a fire which the Palestinian Authority, Israel’s biggest asset in sustaining the occupation, cannot control.

A whole generation of Palestinian youth have grown under Israeli occupation in the post-second intifada era, along with the PA’s “security coordination” with Israel, and sentiment against the US-funded PA is widespread. While the PA typically collaborates to repress Palestinian demonstrations, as it did with brute force in the beginning of the latest protests, officials have opted to let them continue for fear the demonstrators may turn on it, finally eroding and collapsing the PA.

Meanwhile, support for Hamas has steadily increased as its strategy of military confrontation resonates with a majority of Palestinians. The election of Hamas in Bir Zeit University – the West Bank’s most liberal university – served as a bellwether for a political shift occurring among the young and educated Palestinian generation. The vote also indicated a major reaffirmation of Palestinian support for armed resistance.

However, as strong as Hamas present itself on the ground, it has never been more weak and isolated abroad.  Hamas’ relationship with Iran has severed, leaving only Qatar and Turkey as regional allies.

On the military side Hamas is projecting weakness to Israel as well. Despite calls for resumed operations on Israeli targets after airstrikes killed a pregnant woman and her baby girl early Sunday morning, none of the armed factions made statements that operations would resume in any capacity. As Hamas’ Basem Naim, Head of Council on International Relations explained to me in an interview, “Hamas is not interested in escalation.”

Still, Al-Qassam, Hamas’ armed wing, and other resistance factions have continued to prepare for another inevitable Israeli assault, expanding the vast networks of tunnels throughout the Gaza Strip.

In the meantime, Israeli snipers continue to fire live ammunition and explosive dum dum rounds at protesters in Gaza. Hundreds of demonstrators have been injured in the last week and at least eleven killed including three boys from ages 13-15. Similar to the PA, Hamas security forces have, for the most part, not impeded the demonstrations, which it often does.

Tonight, after Hamas called for an intifada, additional Israeli forces deployed to Gaza’s borders.

Mass demonstrations are expected tomorrow and Israeli forces will presumably continue to shoot to kill. The futility and bloody reality of Israel’s deadly deterrence policy will likely be on full display.

Israeli soldiers look down on Palestinian protestors in Gaza. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Israeli soldiers look down on Palestinian protestors in Gaza. (Photo: Dan Cohen)

Last Friday, an estimated 1,000 demonstrators, mostly from from the Gaza area, marched down a dirt road and through a wide, open field to the Nahal Oz crossing. Before they were able to reach the fence, Israeli forces shot them like sitting ducks on an open pond.

On Tuesday, youth from the northern areas of the Gaza Strip marched to the Erez crossing. Unlike the open area of the Nahal Oz crossing, the terrain at the massive terminal traps protesters between a rugged desert overlooked by a remote control machine gun and a kilometers-long iron cage that serves as the crossing’s entry/exit point, effectively reducing the protestors to fish in a barrel for Israeli soldiers. At least three heavily-armed soldiers were stationed, untouchable, on an elevated platform behind a concrete wall in front of a metal fence dozens of meters high where they fired directly down on defenseless, crouching protesters who could throw stones and an occasional molotov cocktail.

By staying quiet military while attempting to depose Israel’s occupation subcontractor in the West Bank, Hamas may end up the beneficiary of the current uprisings. However, as Israeli troops amass, the situation can easily escalate into a military confrontation – a possibility Palestinian armed factions have quietly prepared for. While the political factions continue to posture, Israel remains in ultimate control of the situation and continues to pour gas on the flames, leading the entire land into deeper violence and chaos.

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  1. ivri
    ivri
    October 15, 2015, 6:28 pm

    Well, it is easy for Hamas to want troubles at the other faction`s territory – the prices will be paid by the people THERE. The PA, while using the usual “blame all on Israel” rhetoric – possibly forced to do so- still tries to act responsibly and avoid unnecessarily boiling the atmosphere and with that engender more bloodshed.
    The point is though that all this has by now become a ritual where the different actors always duly perform their role and say what everybody fully expects they will. That`s in a way also good news because in the absence of any chance of a formal agreement – the official gaps are clearly unbridgeable – the next good thing is a routine that while not exactly pleasant can still be considered as the new “normal” – good periods followed by some kind of an explosion (which can vary in details) and so on forever.
    Indeed, come to think about that it`s a bit like (human) life. Once in a while you get sick, go to the doctor, take medicines, get back on your feet again and so on and on. Even as this Nature`s devised program is pretty irritating few people look for some ultimate “solution” by which they will never fall ill – they know it`s hopeless – instead, they look for better medicines and try to prolong healthy periods by their actions.

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      October 15, 2015, 8:49 pm

      All I see is Israel making it impossible for Israeli’s to safely travel outside of Israel. All they are doing by taking the course they are is ensuring total rejection by the majority of the Global people. Sure they may have politicians in their pocket but outside of Israel no-one can successfully guarantee Israeli’s safe passage to anywhere or safety of the streets in foreign lands. They are successfully locking themselves up in a fortress surrounded by millions of Arabs. Masada springs to mind.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        October 15, 2015, 11:57 pm

        @ib

        you naturally are entitled to your opinion but this utter world ‘rejection’ you speak of is not backed up by much. If you want to claim that its easy to rile up the vast majority of average Muslim citizens worldwide I might agree. But there is also a vast number of educated (and highly educated) that while maybe not in love with Zionist policy is not completely consumed to the point of distraction over Jews living on their ancient historical homeland. In the mind of th EU and US far-left wing bleeding heart it may appear that the majority of people surrounding you completely reject Israel. In fact-the most progressive and socially liberal Christian european nations just happen to be the most anti-Israel and coincidentally host the largest population of Islamic citizens as well as Muslim aliens. No surprise there.
        In some African countries where Islam has been widely embraced there may be some general rejection of the ‘ZIonist entity’. But then there are powerful nations like Nigeria as well as the newer nation of South Sudan. Not much rejection there.
        Putin and Russia? He’s too difficult to read. Jews in Russia are pretty safe and while Jew-hatred has always had a strong presence there there is also BILLIONS in trade agreements and Russians are quite used to dealing with israeli business people. While Russia will always have a prickly relationship to Israel vis-a-vie the US bond-Russia is very dependent on many Israeli technologies from defense to agronomy so while they criticize they would never allow any real harm to come to this trade partner.
        ditto the Chinese. And the bonus is there is really no hard-wired history of jew-hatred in China and most educated Chinese either completely admire or at least support their own billion dollar trade deals with Israel. They will maintain their anti-American/Israeli stance at the UN but China is even more dependent on israeli technologies -defense, medical, agro, hydro, etc.. They would most definitely not allow or support any harm coming to the Israeli nation. Japan-they are curiously fascinated with The Protocols of….Zion but they are in the same boat as China. Complete cooperation between the two nations is status quo. Australia and Australians? They love Israel for the most part (with loud exceptions of course) .
        India? Obvious. South America? Mexico: no animosity worth mentioning. A few leftist ideological SA nations have taken up the Palestinian cause-most notably Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Sectors of Brazil and possibly Argentina (but most likely just political expediency due to pressure from the Iran deal) Chile, Columbia and many others are good friends with israel.

        So your hypothetical ‘Masada’ syndrome is pretty much an hysterical extreme. I won’t deny that Israelis don’t remember the lessons of Masada but like any historical touchstone -it is looked upon as an incident of bravery and pride in the face of certain death but its considered more for its mythological inspiration then a true and gritty telling of the reality.

        This obsession that ‘soon’ or ‘any year’ or in a ‘decade’ Israel will be toast has been going around in anti-Zionist memes since ’48. Its just totally old hat. Israel doesn’t need to be ‘loved’ by the entire world but it has fought for its respect and is taken as a very important nation in the political goings on of the world.

        Had the Arabs focused more on their repressive tyrants who have always used Israel to deflect blame away from their own tyrannical regimes mistakes, disasters and debacles they might have achieved much more in terms of freedom to pursue decent lives free of terror. Instead-the obsession with Israel and how the Zionists pull ALL strings and are responsible for their own misery has held them back in colossal ways. But there are legions of left-wing apologists ready and dedicated to standing by the Arab position of blaming Israel for 95% of the turmoil in the ME. They are dedicated apologists for the Palestinians and have done massive disservice by not pointing out where their strategy to achieve self-determination is wrong headed and unobtainable. Of course MW is one of these dedicated left-wing organizations and has done a fairly good job at bringing Palestinian plight to a generally aloof public.

        Anyway-I just typed a helluva lot of word to just say your prediction that israel will soon be a complete ‘pariah’ nation may be tempting to promote but is in actuality a very slim possibility and another Arab pipe dream.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        October 16, 2015, 1:39 am

        Well, well. Considering the fact that Gazans couldn’t escape the hell unleashed on them by the IOF and still can’t get out to visit family, go to the hospital, work, etc., your statement that the Israeli govt actions is making it impossible for Israelis to travel safely outside of Israel is, yawn, not exactly heartbreaking to me. In the meantime, the Israeli govt is turning, for Palestinians, east Jerusalem into Hebron and continuing to make it impossible for Palestinians to travel safely ANYWHERE. The Warsaw ghetto springs to my mind.

      • ivri
        ivri
        October 16, 2015, 3:58 am

        @inbound
        I don`t know what you mean by that. That Israelis are afraid of Islamist acts abroad? It could be but I would not exaggerate that – after all being an Israeli you get used to living in far more precarious conditions right here at home – e.g. being knifed in the street by a stranger. As you rightly say: “Surrounded by Millions of Arabs”. That`s the reality here and being an Israeli is about confronting that threatening reality and trying to make the best of it.
        Beyond that there are a growing number of people in the world that fear being hit by Islamists. Remember the recent train incident that by luck and courage of few Americans was saved – that must have introduced a profound fear effect. And the Charles Hebdo case? The return of radicalized Islamists from Syria? And what goes on now in E. Europe? Most likely the fear of Europeans greatly transcends that of Israeli tourist. That`s simply the world we came to live in.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 16, 2015, 11:52 am

        “Anyway-I just typed a helluva lot of word to just say….”

        “Dabakr”, you have just had an attack of logorrhea, in conjunction with a Ziocaine Syndrome episode. Try sitting in a darkened room holding a cloth moistened with eau de cologne against your first and second temples.
        Don’t worry, when the amnesia phase kicks in, you won’t remember a word of it. That at least, is a mercy.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 16, 2015, 12:29 pm

        “That Israelis are afraid of Islamist acts abroad? It could be but I would not exaggerate that – after all being an Israeli you get used to living in far more precarious conditions right here at home” “That`s simply the world we came to live in.” “Irvi”

        Shorter “Irvi”: ‘Every Jew in the world should be happy to function as a hostage or human shield for Zionism.’

    • Donald
      Donald
      October 15, 2015, 11:29 pm

      Yes, of course, we need to go back to the ” normal” where Israeis can live happily, steal land, and shoot the occasional innocent Palestinian with impunity. Everyone should agree that this is the best for all concerned and not think beyond that.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        October 16, 2015, 3:22 am

        @d

        you obviously have no knowledge -or no inclination to acquire such-that there were dozens if not 100s of Arab sniping incidents (along w Jewish ones) from ’48 all the way up to ’67. Shooting the occasional kibutznik or IDF guard was commonplace and considered as quite heroic among the more hostile Arab tribes in the region.
        Your opinion that land was “stolen” and not won victoriously in a defensive war is obviously a pov that a left-wing ideologue commenting on MW would have so you can’t be faulted there.

        But you should know that (unbiased or unaligned) military scholars do not buy the anti-Zionist narrative that ALL of Israels wars were offensive as the Palestinian Hasbara machine spits out.

        Of course the IAF and IDF attacked Nassars army after UN was kicked out and Suez was closed to Israeli shipping. Israel was not in the business of waiting for armageddon and so after repeated warnings and pleas to back down (as well as pleas to little Hashemite King to stay neutral) were ignored and Arab leaders continued to make inflammatory threatening speeches-Israel took preemptive action. That propaganda experts have tried to turn this event into an aggressive Israeli attack against a ‘poor’ defenseless Egyptian Airforce with a peacefully inclined hyper pan-arabist leader. And many have bought this hooey but not anyone who is anyone in the assorted military war colleges.

        ’73 was a near total debacle. I guess Israel was really hoping to be attacked on Yom Kippur so they could “steal” more land and not the ridiculous notion that if they fought for and won the high Golan plateau that they could control and prevent Syrian tanks, mortars and rockets (oh yeah-plus your ‘snipers’) from reigning fire down upon the Israeli citizens of Galilee. (Druze, Jew and Christian, btw-though many Arabs cheered the ’73 onslaught just like many coincidentally cheer every time another civilian is stabbed)

        I would say you haven’t a clue as to how “happy” the Israelis subject to constant and unpredictable sniping, mortar, rockets and more were. But then I suppose you have your own completely unique take on the actual history. Perhaps aided by ‘who cares about facts’ Pappe.

        So-wars and battles were fought. Peace was offered on reasonable terms by the victor and rejected out of hand-notably the 3 “no’s” from Khartoum. Egypt finally saw things through their own advantage and gave a cold frosty peace but got back every inch of Sinai. Now-40 yrs later the Palestinians and some of their Arab backers want to go back to zero and act as if there was no war, no victory and the lands that Israel offered to return in exchange for an end to all hostilities were rejected out of hand. There is no “going back to zero”. There is the now and every month the Palestinians waste on intifada cost Israel dearly-but always cost them much much more. That cycle has been going on for a bit too long to keep blaming Israel for the whole thing. But have it your way. Israel=thieves -always. Palestinians=innocent victims of manipulating Arab tyrants, British colonialists and their infernal dicing up their dying empire, and their own leaders like Arafat and Abbas-the former still idolized even though it is common knowledge that he was engaged in nefarious anti-Palestinian activities and amassed a hughe fortune (estimated between 700 to over a billion usd that he count spare for his ‘beloved’ people) If that install enough reason to re-examine your historical gripes and what you can reasonably expect to gain back through 40year overdue ‘peace’ negotiations then I don’t know what is.

        I always say this and Zionist-haters absolutely despise the analogy but when the US starts giving back strategic lands (Hawaii e.g. or the Badlands) then the world would truly have an example set. Or-if your a true leftist at heart-ask Putin to give back Chechnya or Crimea back to its historical natives. Ask Erdogan to end his occupation of Cyprus. Or the Spanish linked ruling class in Mexico to start giving land back to the Mayan tribes. There are at least a dozen more case of occupation and displacement of citizens but most here at MW call it ‘whataboutery’ to mention the particular compulsion to castigate Israel for is long running battle, victories and also the indignities that war has placed upon the ones that lost out-Palestinians. Bur there are not many nations on this earth-especially as small as israel that have been lucky enough o fight for and win its security and managing to place the entire areas under a relatively good and safe control. Of course Palestinians are extremely angry, miffed, humiliated but seem to link this with a negotiation. And I truly can not inmagine what negosheat1 t the eprienc

      • Kris
        Kris
        October 16, 2015, 10:47 am

        @DBkr: “Your opinion that land was “stolen” and not won victoriously in a defensive war is obviously a pov that a left-wing ideologue commenting on MW would have so you can’t be faulted there. ”

        Acquistion of territory by military conquest is illegal. http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3a.htm

        But you already know that, so why do you keep repeating the same old lies?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 16, 2015, 12:19 pm

        you obviously have no knowledge…/…I truly can not inmagine what negosheat1 t the eprienc”

        Wow, a bad attack. All the way from here to illiteracy. Next can come syncope, or in medical terminology ‘a regular plotz‘. Then exhaustion, sleep, and amnesia. Can’t be good for you.

      • eljay
        eljay
        October 16, 2015, 12:47 pm

        || DaBakr @ October 16, 2015, 3:22 am ||

        So many words just to say “F*ck justice, accountability and equality. F*ck international law and human rights. I am a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist and I ♥ Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist ‘Jewish State’.”

      • talknic
        talknic
        October 16, 2015, 12:51 pm

        @ DaBakr “Your opinion that land was “stolen” and not won victoriously in a defensive war ..”

        A state of war does not exist until war has been started. A preemptive war is started by the preemptor. ALL of Israel’s wars have been preemptive and NONE have been fought in Israeli territory http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk#googlemap

        There are no UNSC resolutions against any Arab state for any of the wars with Israel for the simple reason that Israel started them and they have all been fought in territories “outside the State of Israel” http://pages.citebite.com/x1r0b4d1y6mkv

        “I always say this and Zionist-haters absolutely despise the analogy but when the US starts giving back strategic lands (Hawaii e.g. or the Badlands) then the world would truly have an example set. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/intifada-palestinian-authority#comment-155575

        Oh you poor fool. The US acquired those territories by LEGAL annexation thru AGREEMENTS and treaties with the peoples whose territories were annexed. In fact the US, by adopting the legal custom of having an agreement with the people’s whose territory is to be annexed, was instrumental in that legal custom passing into Customary International Law. Israel has never had any agreement for any of the territories it has illegally claimed

        “Peace was offered on reasonable terms by the victor and rejected out of hand-notably the 3 “no’s” from Khartoum. Egypt finally saw things through their own advantage and gave a cold frosty peace but got back every inch of Sinai. “

        A) The three no’s were based on valid legal argument http://wp.me/pDB7k-18N

        1) No Peace: While Israel occupied other folk’s territories there was a state of war
        2) No Recognition: There is no legal obligation for states to recognize each other. Numerous UN Member states do not recognize each other
        3) No negotiations: Israel is in breach of numerous UNSC resolutions, International Law, the UN Charter & relative conventions. There is no legal requirement for negotiations. For example the words ‘negotiate’, ‘negotiations’ do not appear in UNSC res242 on which the Egypt Israel Peace Treaty is based. Israel was and still is required to adhere to the law, negotiations or not. Egypt and Jordan were correct in refusing negotiations while Israel was in breach of its legal obligations in respect to their sovereign territory.

        The signing of a negotiated peace treaty between Egypt and Israel was by default an act of recognition and; after Israeli withdrawal peaceful relations were assumed. Likewise with Jordan. Both are examples of what UNSC res 242 was formulated to achieve. The end of hostilities between UN Member States.

        B) Israel was required and AGREED to withdraw from all territory sovereign to Egypt BEFORE peaceful relations were assumed. http://wp.me/pDB7k-ZZ

        ” Arafat and Abbas-the former still idolized even though it is common knowledge that he was engaged in nefarious anti-Palestinian activities and amassed a hughe fortune – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/intifada-palestinian-authority#comment-155575

        The IMF final audit found nothing illegal http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#Arafat-a-thief

        “In total, the Fund estimates, the amounts diverted from the official budget from 1995 until 2000, when the diversions stopped, may have exceeded $898m. IMF officials say $799m was returned to the PA, with the difference accounted for by investment losses………the bulk of the money diverted from the budget – including all the Swiss bank accounts – was either given back or invested in companies that became part of the PIF, an assertion backed by the IMF”

        ” there are not many nations on this earth-especially as small as israel that have been lucky enough o fight for and win its security and managing to place the entire areas under a relatively good and safe control”

        There’s still a war going on you stupid person. Israel is the “Occupying Power” over territories the Israeli Govt itself claimed on the 22nd May 1948 were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

        BTW Every time you post bullsh&t it affords the opportunity to show interested readers just how empty your claims are …. thx

      • talknic
        talknic
        October 16, 2015, 12:54 pm

        Kris But you already know that, so why do you keep repeating the same old lies?”

        Because DaBakr is just another propagandist. They don’t care if they lie, it’s their job. As long as their bullsh*t is being propagated

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        October 16, 2015, 1:59 pm

        talknic,

        The Yom Kippur War was not preemptive and was not started by Israel.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        October 16, 2015, 3:01 pm

        DaBakr: So-wars and battles were fought. Peace was offered on reasonable terms by the victor and rejected out of hand….
        —————–

        Utter tripe. There was no offer then for a Palestinian state alongside Israel, as envisioned by the UN. Israel denied that the Palestinians existed as a people. Israel denied that the Palestinian people had a right to self-determination in Palestine. Israel demanded recognition, while denying recognition of a Palestinian state. These are simple, undeniable historical facts.

      • John O
        John O
        October 16, 2015, 3:32 pm

        @jon66
        “The Yom Kippur War was not preemptive and was not started by Israel.”

        At least you don’t deny that all the other wars were started by Israel.

        Next year is the 60th anniversary of the 1956 Suez debacle (started by Israel, Britain and France); the following year is the 50th anniversary of the Six-day War.

        I’m looking forward to all the articles, books and documentary films analysing these events and busting the lies that have obscured so much over the years.

      • talknic
        talknic
        October 16, 2015, 6:21 pm

        @ Jon66 “The Yom Kippur War was ..”

        in response to the 13 November 1966 attack by Israel http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/1A03C7BFB8D6C049852560C3004A4AAF and the ’67 war all of which were a continuation of the 1948 war, whereby at 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) [ http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf ] Israel had its forces in territories “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

        Once war has been initiated, countries are at war until a peace agreement has been reached. Israel didn’t reach a peace agreement with anyone until those agreed between Israel and Egypt/Jordan, long after the Yom Kippur debacle

        There are no UNSC resolutions against ANY Arab state for having first attacked Israel for the simple reason that Israel started all its stupid wars in other folks territories

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        October 16, 2015, 6:40 pm

        You said “all” wars were preemptive. I continue to say that 1973 was not. I don’t know what 1967 has to do with that.
        I guess we just disagree on the meaning of “preemptive”.

        I don’t see what the UN has to do with it

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 16, 2015, 7:59 pm

        “I don’t see what the UN has to do with it….”

        Oh, nothing at all, nothing to do with the founding documents and conditions, nothing to do with a veto vote at the Security Council, nothing to do with the UN at all. What need has Israel for the UN?

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        October 16, 2015, 9:41 pm

        Jon6666,

        “pre-emptive” war is such a typical, giveaway, arrogant, shameless Zionist term. So you are not quoting but distorting. War of aggression is the term, and that war of agression is on since November 1947. Occasional separate peaces signed with different countries can be discussed, but here there was NO peace agreement either with the UAR / Syria-Egypt or with Jordan or any other neighboring country in 1973.
        This was during a ceasefire agreed in 1967.
        So you cannot count this as a separate war, just as the uninterrupted war of aggression by the illegitimate Zionist entity (and its backers.)

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        October 16, 2015, 11:05 pm

        Echi,
        Your anger is misplaced. It was Talknic who used the term “preemptive”. I was just responding using the same word. So perhaps your wrath should be directed at him for using such a Zionist word.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        October 17, 2015, 3:12 am

        More BS, Jon6666.
        Talknic uses it in a fully accusatory context.
        Unlike you.

      • talknic
        talknic
        October 17, 2015, 3:32 am

        @ Jon66 “You said “all” wars were preemptive.”

        What I actually said is there for all to read you silly person

        ” I continue to say that 1973 was not”

        Of course you do. It’s your job

        ” I don’t know what 1967 has to do with that”

        Of course you don’t, you’re a propagandist for Israel, it’s forbidden to know anything but the bullsh*t Israel has spouted for the last 67 years

        “I don’t see what the UN has to do with it”

        You don’t see a lot. Maybe your guide dog can explain some very simple things for you

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        October 17, 2015, 8:43 pm

        “Shooting the occasional kibutznik or IDF guard was commonplace and considered as quite heroic”

        Of course it is heroic on the part of a disarmed, chained, downtrodden slave population against one of the most vicious military forces in the world –now the most potent of all. Are you joking?
        Not only it’s heroic, it is also their duty to resist occupation, as per UN Charter and all international law.

        “Your opinion that land was “stolen” and not won victoriously in a defensive war is obviously a pov that a left-wing ideologue commenting on MW would have so you can’t be faulted there.”

        Treaty of Westphalia, May 15, 1648. That’s when conquest was made invalid. “Won in war” and a token will take you all the way to the Bronx. No “defensive war” because Zionists never had anything they had the right to defend, Bakr. You belong to a long line of murderers and thieves.

    • kalithea
      kalithea
      October 16, 2015, 2:04 am

      @ivri

      This comment you wrote can only come from the warped mind of a Zionist.

      You write as if Palestinians struggling for their freedom and their rights are like an annoying chronic illness for Israelis.

      They’re not even human to you. I just wonder why a comment so twisted no doubt authored by a Zionist appears here anyway and at the top of the thread.

      • ivri
        ivri
        October 16, 2015, 9:43 am

        @kalithea
        There are always those people that believe that if they could just block publishing what they don`t like then everything will be fine. While what they write – e.g. your outright misinterpretation here of my comment (or deliberate distortion of it) – is a must for everybody to read. Think about that.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 16, 2015, 12:06 pm

        There are always those people that believe that if they could just block publishing what they don`t like then everything will be fine. While what they write – e.g. your outright misinterpretation here of my comment (or deliberate distortion of it) – is a must for everybody to read. Think about that.”

        I have thought about it, and you are right, “Irvi”. You shouldn’t have to put up with that! And “Blogger” is free!. (So are several other blogging services) Finally, you will be master of your domain! You can settle there, in the territory granted you by the Bible (Pr. 26)

      • annie
        annie
        October 16, 2015, 12:22 pm

        our outright misinterpretation here of my comment (or deliberate distortion of it) – is a must for everybody to read. Think about that.

        shorter ivri:

        i have no defense or counter argument.

        ivri, every sentence in your diatribe that opens this thread can be easily shot down either for it’s stupidity and lack of humanity. ie: the first sentence:

        Well, it is easy for Hamas to want troubles at the other faction`s territory – the prices will be paid by the people THERE

        maybe you forgot israel massacred a bunch of people in gaza this week when they protested at the border. maybe you didn’t hear they bombed a home in the middle of the night killing a pregnant woman and a 3 year old child. what planet are you on that assumes israel doesn’t use gaza as a battering ram whenever they want. the price for palestinian discontent will always primarily be paid by gazans. they are the human laboratory the sadistic israeli gov uses to test their weapons first and foremost. they are the humans the sadistc israeli government uses to train their soldiers how to hunt and use for target practice.

        no one misinterpreted you. don’t confuse denial with a counter argument. don’t confuse your alleged intent with the words seeping out of your keyboard revealing who you are. we, everybody, can see you. Think about that.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 16, 2015, 2:19 pm

        “don’t confuse your alleged intent with the words seeping out of your keyboard revealing who you are.”

        Shorter Annie: ‘Some comments need a lot of deconstruction. Others just collapse into their own footprint, they demolish themselves.’

      • ivri
        ivri
        October 16, 2015, 3:51 pm

        @Annie “revealing who you are”
        You are right of course, but then doesn`t it also true for you? As an example think of your clearly conveyed excitement when visiting and reporting on Hezbollah missiles and how effective they seem – what do you think that reveals of you? Think about it

      • annie
        annie
        October 16, 2015, 7:48 pm

        yes of course it applies to me. while i don’t specifically recall writing about ‘hezbollah missiles’ per se. i admire hezbollah for the way they have defended lebanon against a brutal military force, and one that occupied their country for 20 years.

        it gives me a sense of optimism a homespun resistance force can deter israel from occupying their land.

  2. niass2
    niass2
    October 16, 2015, 12:01 am

    True, Isreal is making isrealis unsafe to travel out of isreal. Umm, so what? isrealis are running a fascist apartheid germanic regime and should not really feel safe, although inr eality they are very safe, who is going to attack isrealis around here/ No one. So, what are we talking about here. If it was my cat against the Isrealis, the cat would win, because this here cat is tired of me giving it insufficient food and making it lie in filth in the basement. Her name is Winter, and she will get you soon, slowly, culminating in late February. Yes, jerks feel unsafe when the lights come on, and those who are bullies hate it when they are shown up by a bigger bully, or by the truth. They get reincarnated as insects, not as Cows. As a Jew an Intafada or whatever sounds like what the jews in auschwitz tried to do when outnumbered and facing destruction, they were real heroes and died for glory, not for nothing, each intifada or rebellion is its own thing, but if i was in Auschwitz or in a Concentated camp like Gaza I would also rebel. not to would be acting like my relatives did during the holocaust, as such I never met them. get it? Its that or hartford 4/4/86 all over again. hamas is not a faction they appear to have the support of everyone, despite what some say, I am sure there is a debate about when to resist, I am sure my relatives who were killed by the nazi debated leaving also, and never did. but one can’t eat or farm on or live on a debate, can they? The debate is over it appears. Jstreet wants to debate I guess, with who I don’t know. What would Jerry Do?

  3. mcohen.
    mcohen.
    October 16, 2015, 1:48 am

    War what is it good for
    When will the lamb lie down with the lion

    Peace and love

    • annie
      annie
      October 16, 2015, 1:55 am

      When will the lamb lie down with the lion

      when the lion is lying down and defanged.

    • bryan
      bryan
      October 16, 2015, 3:18 am

      If you are going to quote scriptural platitudes, you might at least get them right. The phrase your looking for (Isaiah 11:6 or 63:25) refers to the wolf dwelling (or feeding) with the lamb. Now why would you distort scriptures that I am sure you know all too well?

      Could it be that the “lion” (like the state of Israel) has achieved an unwarranted PR victory in appearing to be noble, virtuous, the king of beasts. The real Israel is the wolf – big and bad, exceedingly cunning, duplicitous ,a malevolent stalker, a master of disguise and a very dangerous predator, who will wait to ambush Little Red Riding Hood, or bluster outrageously against the three pigs.

    • eljay
      eljay
      October 16, 2015, 7:27 am

      || mcohen: … When will the lamb lie down with the lion … ||

      The lamb would like to lie down, but the lion – who killed or drove away the lamb’s family – covets the den, claims it his “eternal and historical home”, declares it a supremacist “lion’s den” and threatens to kill the lamb if he doesn’t accept it.

      || … Peace and love ||

      Absolutely. And justice, accountability and equality, everywhere and always, too.

  4. kalithea
    kalithea
    October 16, 2015, 2:46 am

    How many times must Israel carry out mass murder before the world’s leaders say enough?! Israel stole land and colonized settlers from Moldova and other places year after year for decades contravening International Law and no one put a stop to this because Zionism’s reach and influence corrupt absolutely. Now that our leaders have surrendered everything to Zionism the slightest criticism of Israel is met with a barrage of Zionist attacks and everyone is forced to look away while Israel carries out its cyclical assault on Palestinians and subjects them to all manner of indignity even in their holiest temple, the only place where they could find some dignity, refuge and autonomy from this severe oppression. What do they have left but to resist this abominable crime against them? And when they resist, because the world has abandoned them and because it is their right given the massive injustice they’re being subjected to that breaches international laws that no country has the guts to enforce against Zionism they are saddled with all the blame!

    This is an intolerable crime against humanity that must be condemned on every level and in every part of this world.

    Zionism exploits moral weakness in our society and compromises the moral integrity of our leaders and outrages every fibre of our being.

  5. ivri
    ivri
    October 16, 2015, 10:06 am

    @kalithea
    Reading this it is clear to me that you are in an acute danger of losing your mind by this insatiable hate of yours of the State of Israel and its people. An obsession carried so far can consume a person completely – you stop seeing anything else but the imagined pure maliciousness of your fixation target to which you attribute any evil in this world – likely, wondering how come not everybody see what you have unraveled so unequivocally. Think about that.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      October 16, 2015, 2:43 pm

      Cut the crap Ivri,

      It’s always a dead giveaway when you bots give up debating the facts and try to turn the subject into irrational hatred of Israel.

      The fact is you are the haters and all you are doing us projecting.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      October 16, 2015, 3:07 pm

      Aw, the poor nation of Israel, it is always picked on.

      Why? Could it be the on going occupation, theft of lands for illegal settlements, the excessive violence against civilians, the kidnapping of children and the hundred thrown into Israeli jails, the blockades, the precision bombs, the destruction of olive trees, the stealing of olive trees, the controlling of Palestinian water, the shooting and killing of Palestinian fishermen, the interference in US politics, the attacks on it’s neighbors with cluster bombs, the attacks on Palestinian families, the Jewish terrorists allowed to burn homes killing families, the spitting, the stoning, harassment of Arabs, the firebombing of Arab cars……good enough reasons for the entire world to dislike Israel Ivri? Are you expecting to be loved after all that? Get real and stop playing the eternal victim.

      • ivri
        ivri
        October 16, 2015, 5:00 pm

        @kay24
        Correction: the entire world dislikes Islamists

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        October 16, 2015, 6:15 pm

        Ivri, no one likes violent people, whether Israel or Islamists, who kill innocent people, and destroy or steal other’s property. Whether it is under the guise of defending themselves or defending a religion, the world can see through the sham when unarmed civilians are brutally killed.

        The difference with Israel is it calls itself a “democracy”, but does not act like one.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        October 16, 2015, 7:07 pm

        Correction: the entire world dislikes Islamists

        Correction: More people like Islamists than they like Israel. The Islamists don’t have to bribe rent-a-crowds like Congress for starters.

    • bryan
      bryan
      October 17, 2015, 7:25 am

      It is interesting that all those accused of being obsessed or fixated on the matter are in favour of human rights and international justice. Are there no non-Israelis, no dispora Jews, no American Christian Zionists, no gentile politicians anywhere in the world and no journalists and talk-show hosts whose preoccupation with the protection of Israel might be classified as an obsession or a fixation? To be pro-Israel is under all circumstaces desirable and to be hostile to Israel is deplorable, irrespective of the behaviour that Israel indulgences in.

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      October 17, 2015, 9:47 am

      ivri: [@kalithea] …you stop seeing anything else but the imagined pure maliciousness of your fixation target to which you attribute any evil in this world…
      ————————

      Any evil in this world” ? Really?? It seems that YOU are the one imagining pure maliciousness and falsely attributing it to YOUR target.

      Kalithea (beautiful name, btw), far from attributing “any evil in the world” to Israel, makes a series of specific assertions about Israeli policy and reactions to it.

      Here’s a breakdown for you (paraphrasing and quoting):

      1) Israel commits mass murder repeatedly, but the world’s leaders never say “enough!”

      2) Israel stole land and colonized settlers from Moldova and other places year after year for decades contravening International Law.

      3)No one put a stop to this because Zionism’s reach and influence corrupt absolutely.

      4) Now that our leaders have surrendered everything to Zionism, the slightest criticism of Israel is met with a barrage of Zionist attacks.

      5) Everyone is forced to look away while Israel carries out its cyclical assault on Palestinians and subjects them to all manner of indignity, even in their holiest temple.

      6) They have nothing left but to resist this abominable crime against them.

      7) It is their right to resist given the massive injustices they’re being subjected to, injustices that breach international laws that no country has the guts to enforce against Zionism.

      8) And when they resist, they are saddled with all the blame, because the world has abandoned them.

      Why don’t you address those specific assertions instead of avoiding them and creating a straw man with absurd hyperbole?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      October 17, 2015, 12:00 pm

      “Reading this it is clear to me that you are in an acute danger of losing your mind…”

      Not something you need fear, “Irvi”! To paraphrase Boyce and Hart ‘You can’t lose a mind you never had’.
      And nobody cares what you’re doing, tonight, either.

  6. Les
    Les
    October 16, 2015, 11:54 am

    Abbas’ security forces are modeled on the Nazi creation and use of Judenrat forces whose sole target was fellow Jews. The sole target of his US sponsored forces are of course Abbas’ fellow Palestinians.

  7. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    October 17, 2015, 6:31 am

    @ivri
    “Reading this it is clear to me that you are in an acute danger of losing your mind by this insatiable hate of yours of the State of Israel and its people.

    Kalithea was expressing revulsion not hatred.

    “An obsession carried so far can consume a person completely – you stop seeing anything else but the imagined pure maliciousness of your fixation target to which you attribute any evil in this world – likely, wondering how come not everybody see what you have unraveled so unequivocally. Think about that”

    I have thought about it and my considered advice is that you should press the buzzer so that the nurse can come and adjust your Hasbara drip.You are starting to spin around in circles.

  8. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    October 17, 2015, 9:30 am

    The first intifada in december of 87 came out of the blue. No one was expecting it. david grossman, who wrote a book about the bitterness of the occupation called “yellow wind”, did not predict it and when a military truck killed four Palestinians in a car in Gaza the rage of the moment became a movement. (Fatah was caught unaware and was not pleased at first, because the decisions were being made by youngsters on the ground in the west bank rather than in Tunis where Arafat lived.) There was movement in the Israeli discourse as a result of the first intifada. It began in December and Israeli elections followed in November and though the results were in Likud’s favor they were close enough that Peres tried to build a coalition for Labor in the middle of Shamir’s term in office.

    I visited Israel twice in the first 14 months of that Knesset, in January of 1989 and then in December. The atmosphere in Israel was by no means hopeful in January, but even Shamir made comments (maybe mere lip service) to the effect that there was a need for dialogue or change. when i came back in December that flexibility was gone by then and positions had hardened.

    The 2nd intifada did not come as a surprise at all and resulted from a number of causes: 1. Arafat’s rule was shown to be corrupt and he needed to channel anti Arafat sentiments against Israel. 2. The hopes raised by Oslo were dashed by the assassination of Rabin in 95 and by the election of Netanyahu in May of 96. but then Barak was elected in May of 99 and Clinton invited Barak and Arafat to Camp David and the attempted negotiations failed. 3. Palestinians were impressed by the withdrawal from Lebanon by Israel in May of 2000, impressed that the force of arms had forced Israel to withdraw and with Nasrallah’s statement calling Israel as weak as a spider’s web and the Palestinians seemed to feel that the force of arms would cause the Occupation or even the very existence of Israel to crumble. 4. The immediate cause was Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount, but whereas the first intifada was spontaneous, the 2nd intifada was planned (or certainly more planned than the first intifada). Israelis found the 2nd intifada galling for the “generous offer” that Barak made at Camp David was answered with violence. there is both truth and lies woven into this assertion, but given that the Clinton Parameters were offered in the first six months of that intifada and there were substantive negotiations in Taba that came quite close to an agreement, there is a valid question regarding the sensibility of that intifada. (the aftereffects of the suicide bombing campaign still is quite strong in Israel and in recent days reference has been made to that lasting trauma.) but no one was surprised by the intifada, only by its nature and its ferocity.

    This intifada is not accompanied by any hope. if there was a reason for Israel to be galled by the rejection of barak’s offer and the answer in the form of violence, the current state of Israeli Palestinian relations are not hopeful at all, with an extreme right wing government and no end in sight to Bibi’s rule over the LIkud and the Knesset and no negotiations that resemble anything like the movement that was possible at the time of Barak’s premiership. This intifada is born out of despair.

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