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For Jews 50 and older, there is only one collective memory. It was given to me when I was little, when my mother told me about the Jews hiding in attics and wardrobes and behind false walls as they heard the boots of the Gestapo coming up the stairs, to collect Jews for transport to the extermination camps. It did not matter that the actual memory was not my mother’s or mine. This had happened to us, the Jews. She’d been a girl when the news had broken in the U.S. The memory was fresh, and ours to carry.

Growing up, I wanted nothing to do with the memory. It didn’t characterize my experience; and it felt like a burden, a reason not to engage with non-Jews or to marry one, or even to do American things, like camping and construction. Why not? Because of the boots on the stairs. What we owed the collective and the millions lost in Europe. No thanks, I said, I have to make my own life.

My outlook changed in May when I went to Warsaw. Actually seeing the scene of the boots and the scant memorials to its existence was disturbing; and when I got home I began reading Warsaw memoirs. I’m on my tenth now. In my 60s, I want to know as much as I can about what Warsaw’s Jews went through. So many of them were similar to me, secular intellectual laborers, cultured urban moderns– going through an unending nightmare.

One surprise of these memoirs was a simple one that probably should have been obvious. The remnant of Jews who survived the ghetto liquidation in 1942 and who undertook the noble doomed uprising in 1943 had an overriding motivation: They wanted revenge.

Vengeance was cited in the (thrilling) announcements of the ghetto uprising:

“[T]hough we may perish in this struggle… we breathe as you do with a thirst for vengeance and punishment for the crimes of our common enemy.” –Jewish Fighting Organizations, April 23, 1943.

“At least let the world know that these are the last agonizing days… Perhaps some day there will be vengeance.” — Bund announcement.

The vengeance theme runs through all the memoirs as well. From the beautiful book by Vladka Meed,

“Deep in every heart, bringing us ever closer together, lay the yearning for vengeance, for our families taken to the death camps, for the wrongs and sufferings we ourselves had borne…

“The ghetto had been the soul of our entire struggle… We clung together, united by a burning drive — for vengeance!”

Even Czeslaw Milosz, the non Jewish poet on the “Aryan” side of the wall, wrote: “The gas chambers and crematoria… cry out to the heavens for vengeance.”

You can understand this. Vladka Meed had watched her mother, brother and sister taken off to the train at the north end of the ghetto after escaping selection after selection. The ghetto hero Zalman Frydrych, a Bundist, had brought news of the Treblinka death camp to Warsaw, lost his wife (who died in Majdanek) and handed over his daughter to a convent that he could not know the name of, lest he give it away under torture. The girl survived. Frydrych was killed in the forest in 1942 while rescuing other Jews. The Zionist hero Yitzhak Zuckerman and his wife Zivia Lubetkin both survived, but Zuckerman had lost his entire family in Vilna. You’d want to kill the Nazis too.

Zivia Lubetkin, Warsaw Ghetto heroine, picture in Niran kibbutz in occupied territory, Jordan Valley, Palestine.

Even as they plotted the glorious uprising and appealed for guns and refuge and reinforcement from the Polish underground, the Jews of Warsaw were abandoned. They were on their own. Yes, there were many gentiles who heard the gunfire on the other side of the wall and understood the moral consequences, and many who sheltered Jews too on the Aryan side, but few lifted a finger during the uprising, lest they lose their lives.

It might be said that among older Jews there is no such thing as politics per se so much as, How close is a person to this spirit of lonely vengeance. Dov Hikind lost his grandparents in the Holocaust. Doug Feith the neoconservative lost his uncles and grandparents. Meir Dagan an Israeli Mossad director had a photograph on his office wall of his slaughtered grandfather. My first neoconservative Eric Breindel’s parents had barely escaped Germany. These people had reasons to base their politics in the belief that the world was indifferent to the Jews, and in a faith in Jewish power.

What justice was there for the remnant? My sense is that there was a lot of monetary compensation, but it was hardly sufficient. The criminals of the Nazi occupation of Poland were not repaid for their crimes. The Warsaw ghetto memoirs overflow with pride at the success of the Molotov cocktails and rifles and mines that the Jews loosed on the Nazis in April and May 1943, and at how many Nazis were killed; but the Jews paid dearly. The uprising was a great victory because it was just a lot better than going quietly to the trains to Treblinka. “I must stay and teach them  a lesson!” Yurek Blones said– and within days he was dead, and the ghetto smoking rubble.

After the liberation, there were efforts to make individual Nazis pay with their lives for their crimes (Ronen Bergman documents some of these killings); and the trial of Eichmann in Jerusalem in 1961 came out of that impulse. If I had lost my mother or sister or wife, I’d have been standing outside that courtroom. But in any real measurable sense there was scant justice for the victims. Maybe that is the character of history.

Eichmann’s trial took place in Israel; and Israel itself was the world’s idea of compensating the Jews for what they had undergone in Europe. Israel fulfilled “the debt …. the world owes the Jewish people in the wake of the Nazi genocide,” Aaron David Miller puts it. Obama said as much in the Cairo speech: Israel was justice for the Holocaust. Then religious Zionists including David Frum later corrected him, and said it was promised to us by God. But we all know that this is why Israel exists, as an answer to European antisemitism.

That was a mistake: to make Palestinians pay for European crimes. Palestinians say so all the time. Still, the sense of solemn obligation is why western governments and elites are so committed to the two state solution even now, and so indifferent to the Nakba. The Holocaust made the west Zionist.

The Warsaw ghetto memoirs have helped me to understand the viciousness of the Israeli response to Palestinian resistance. The Jewish collective memory demanded a vengeful response to the Holocaust. The Nazis deserved some taste of what we had experienced at their hands. We were not able to achieve that satisfaction.

We displaced those feelings on to the Palestinians. The desire for vengeance justifies slaughtering innocent protesters on the Gaza border, denying millions freedom of movement, and dimming the future of millions of young people in East Jerusalem and Israel. The Palestinians are going to have to suffer for a long time. They need to hear those boots on the stairs.

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  1. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 20, 2018, 9:20 am

    “The Nazis deserved some taste of what we had experienced at their hands. We were not able to achieve that satisfaction.

    “We displaced those feelings on to the Palestinians. The desire for vengeance justifies slaughtering innocent protesters on the Gaza border, denying millions freedom of movement, and dimming the future of millions of young people in East Jerusalem and Israel. The Palestinians are going to have to suffer for a long time. They need to hear those boots on the stairs”

    A concise IHRA defiant statement of the obvious truth.Israeli Jews have been getting their regular Holocaust revenge fixes from the barbarities which they have been visiting on innocent and defenceless Palestinians since the formal establishment of their religious colony in 1948 , Europe`s major settlement (sic) cheque by way of Holocaust “reparations”.

    The ” boots on the stairs ” include eg the 3 am raids by the incredibly moral IDF on family homes in the O/T and the routine brutalisation,torture and murder of Palestinian children and the increasingly frequent turkey shoot sniper sprees. They are also the regular ” look at us we can do shock and awe Blitzkreigs as well ” bombings of Gaza.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      September 21, 2018, 7:51 am

      I think Ahed Tamimi is in Spain now, telling them about the IDF “boots on the stairs” that have been there for her entire life.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 21, 2018, 9:54 am

      @Ossinev, et al

      Little attention has been paid to the role Zionists played before and after WWII in forcing Jewish refugees to immigrate to Palestine.

      “In 1938, a thirty-one nation conference was held in Evian, France, on resettlement of the victims of Nazism. The World Zionist Organization refused to participate, fearing that resettlement of Jews in other states would reduce the number available for Palestine.” (Prof. John Quigley, Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice, quoted in “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict,” 2nd edition, published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East, Berkeley, California, p. 21.)

      The Jewish Agency in Palestine was very concerned about the implications of the Evian Conference. “It was summed up in the meeting [of the Jewish Agency’s Executive on June 26, 1938] that the Zionist thing to do ‘is belittle the [Evian] Conference as far as possible and to cause it to decide nothing…. We are particularly worried that it would move Jewish organizations to collect large sums of money for aid to Jewish refugees, and these collections could interfere with our collection efforts'” (Boas Evron, Jewish State or Israeli Nation? quoted by Prof. John Quigley in “The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict,” 2nd edition, p. 21.)

      On 7 December 1938, during a meeting of the Mapai Central Committee (precursor of the Labour Party), David Ben-Gurion revealed his true feelings regarding the plight of German Jews: “If I knew it was possible to save all the [Jewish] children in Germany by transporting them to England, but only half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second… ‘the human conscience’ might bring various countries to open their doors to Jewish refugees from Germany. He saw this as a threat and warned: ‘Zionism is in danger!'” (Tom Segev, The Seventh Million, Hill and Wang, New York, 1994, p. 28.)

      On 27 November 1942, the Yishuv newspaper Davar published an article that referred to the extermination of European Jews as “‘punishment from heaven’ for not having come to Palestine.” (Tom Segev, p. 98)

      That saving Jews from the Nazis was not the priority of American Zionists was clearly shown during the war. When President Roosevelt became aware of the dire circumstances of European Jews (who were thought at the time to be about 80% of the total number of refugees), he sent his close friend Morris Ernst (a key member of the Democratic party and leader of the New York Jewish community) to London to see if England and the Commonwealth would join the United States and other countries in taking half a million Jewish refugees through a generous worldwide policy of political asylum once Hitler was defeated. (Roosevelt felt he could sell the plan to the American Congress if Britain agreed.) Ernst returned home jubilant and advised the President that Britain agreed to “match the United States up to 150,000.” Roosevelt replied:”150,000 to England – 150,000 to match that in the United States – pick up 200,000 or 300,000 elsewhere, and we can start with half a million of these oppressed people.” One week later, however, the President informed Ernst that the program had to be abandoned because “…the dominant vocal Jewish leadership of America won’t stand for it…the Zionist movement knows [that it] can raise vast sums for Palestine by saying to donors, `There is no other place this poor Jew can go.'”

      Ernst refused to believe Roosevelt and sought the support of American Jews for the plan. Their response shocked him: “I was thrown out of parlours of friends of mine who very frankly said, `Morris, this is treason. You are undermining the Zionist movement’. [I found] a deep genuine, often fanatically emotional vested interest in putting over the [movement in men] who are little concerned about human blood if it is not their own.” (Dr. Alfred Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection, pp.35-36 and Morris Ernst, So Far So Good, Harper & Brothers: New York, 1948, pp. 172-177)

      In 1947, Representative William G. Stratton introduced a bill to the Congress aimed primarily at Jewish refugees which would have admitted up to 400,000 displaced persons of all faiths into the United States. Shamefully, however, the Stratton Bill never got past hearings of the House Foreign Affairs Committee because it was ignored by the Zionist lobby which wanted nothing to interfere with the flow of Jews into Palestine.

      The Zionist campaign to force European Jews to go to Palestine (and later Israel) after the war while doing everything possible to prevent them from finding new homes in the United States, did not escape criticism by all American Jews. The Yiddish Bulletin wrote: “…by insisting that Jewish D.P.’s do not wish to go to any country outside of Israel; by not participating in the negotiations on behalf of the D.P.’s; and by refraining from a campaign of their own – by all this they [the Zionists] certainly did not help to open the gates of America for Jews. In fact, they sacrificed the interests of living people – their brothers and sisters who went through a world of pain – to the politics of their own movement.” (Yiddish Bulletin, Free Jewish Club, May 19, 1950)

      The Zionists made it very clear to Truman that their backing would only be forthcoming if he did not impede their efforts to take possession of Palestine by allowing European Jewish refugees to immigrate to the United States. “…an aide sympathetic to Zionism [advised Truman] not to offer haven to Jewish displaced persons in the United States as this would dilute the argument that an independent Jewish state was required to absorb them.” (Prof. Charles Smith, Palestine And The Arab Israel Conflict, p. 128)

      During the war, Ben-Gurion and the Jewish Agency did their best to prevent European Jews who had sought temporary sanctuary in Palestine from returning to their homes. Britain was well aware of this and Lord Halifax, British Ambassador to the United States made a point of informing Secretary of State Byrnes “that the Zionists were using every possible form of intimidation to stop Jews from leaving Palestine to go back to Europe and play their part in its reconstruction.” (FR: 1945, Vol. Vlll p. 775; cited by Dr. Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection, p. 52)

      Some American Jews publicly criticized the Zionists for using their influence to prevent the admission of Jewish refugees into the United States. Among them was Arthur Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times who called for a reversal of Zionist policy that put statehood first, refugees last: “Admitting that the Jews of Europe have suffered beyond expression, why in God’s name should the fate of all these unhappy people be subordinated to the single cry of Statehood? I cannot rid myself of the feeling that the unfortunate Jews of Europe’s D.P. [Displaced Persons] camps are helpless hostages for whom statehood has been made the only ransom.” (NYT, October 27, 1946; quoted by Lilienthal, What Price Israel?, p. 37)

      On 2 May 1948, in a report delivered to the pro-Zionist American Jewish Conference regarding “Jewish Displaced Persons in the American Occupied Zone of Germany,” Jewish Chaplain Klausner (a dedicated Zionist) proposed a strategy to persuade Jews in the Displaced Persons camps to immigrate to Palestine. Its tactics included: “confiscation of food rations, dismissal from work, smashing of machines sent by Americans to train D.P.’s in useful skills, taking away legal protection and visa rights from dissenters, expulsion from the camps of political opponents and, in one instance, even the public flogging of a recalcitrant recruit for the Israel Army. Trucks of the Jewish Agency were known to drive through the Jewish camps in Germany, ‘picking up’ boys and young men. Strange transports left Germany every week for France where, as a first step en route to Israel, the herded people were kept in camps established at Marseilles. In Germany’s D.P. camps, stories were spread that pogroms were taking place in parts of the United States.” (Lilienthal, What Price Israel? pp. 196-197)

      As they were reluctant to heed the “call of Zion,” Israeli immigration agents had to “encourage” and in some cases, force Eastern European Jews to immigrate to Israel. “The government [of Israel] made great efforts to encourage Jews in Eastern Europe to migrate to Israel. Its immigration agent in Romania reported in 1950: ‘Working through the local leadership and every reliable Jew we have met, we are urging Jews to make application for emigration and for passports.’ Agents tried to get emigrating Jews to Israel. In Poland Israeli officials would ‘send the people directly to the port, so they would not be able to stop en route,’ reported Samuel Eliashiv, Israel’s ambassador to Czechoslovakia. Israel’s consul in Warsaw, Israel Carmel, found that persuasion was difficult. ‘The awakening of the Jews in Poland will not happen by itself,’ he reported in 1949. ‘They must be motivated and organized.'” (Quigley, p. 99)

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        September 21, 2018, 10:46 am

        Thanks for this history, so sad, so tragic, and (alas) still relevant.

      • Danaa
        Danaa
        September 25, 2018, 1:59 am

        Do you happen to have a collective link to all this? I am interested….

  2. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    Maximus Decimus Meridius
    September 20, 2018, 10:14 am

    “Still, the sense of solemn obligation is why western governments and elites are so committed to the two state solution even now, and so indifferent to the Nakba. The Holocaust made the west Zionist.”

    This is commonly accepted as true, but I have my doubts.

    I simply do not believe that high-level international politicians operate on the basis of ‘obligation’ or ‘guilt’. If that were the case, the US would consider itself as owing something major to Vietnam or Cambodia, to give just two examples of countries at the receiving end of American brutality. If that were the case, the Roma – who by some accounts suffered losses proportionately greater than Jews at the hands of the Nazis – would be Europe’s most revered minority, instead of the most despised. If that were the case, awowed anti-Semites like Victor Orban would not be cozy with Israel.

    But international affairs simply do not work that way.

    The real answer -and it is one you cannot discuss in polite company – is the massive financial and political power held by Zionist elites in almost all major Western nations. It is they who have made Jewish suffering seem both quantitately and qualitately ‘superior’ to any other insignincant people’s suffering. There is no Roma lobby in London or Paris. There is no Vietnamese lobby in Washington. There is, however, a hugely influential Zionist lobby. And that is the reason so many of our elites are ‘Zionist’. Yes, there may on some level be a feeling that nice “European” Jews are superior to mere Arabs, but the real reason is that there is a very strong incentive for Western politicians to ‘support’ Israel, and zero incentive to do the opposite.

    • Keith
      Keith
      September 20, 2018, 10:37 am

      MAXIMUS- “But international affairs simply do not work that way.”

      Indeed, they don’t. When it concerns power, I am struck by the more-or-less total lack of empathy the 1% has for the 99% who suffer because of their power-seeking actions, particularly the Third World 99%.

      MAXIMUS- “The real answer -and it is one you cannot discuss in polite company – is the massive financial and political power held by Zionist elites in almost all major Western nations.”

      Well stated and demonstrably true.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 20, 2018, 10:50 am

        Plus, if it were all about ‘guilt’, why would the US be the most Zionist country in the world outside of Israel itself?

        America was not involved in the Holocaust. Oh sure, we hear all of these arguments about how the allies could have done more to liberate the camps by bombing the railways for example, but most of this doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny. America almost exterminated its own native peoples. It committed any number of atrocities in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Guatemala and on and on and on. It practiced slavery until well into the 19th century and officially discriminated against its own black people until about 50 years ago. Not to mention its involvement in various coup d’etats, financial skulduggery and other shenanigans at the expense of millions of innocent peoples all over the world.

        And yet it’s a Holocaust museum, not a Vietnam atrocities museum, nor a slavery museum, that was built with great fanfare in Washington. This isn’t because of ‘guilt’. In fact you could say it’s just the opposite – the one historical event which official America chooses to commemorate is one of the few in modern times which America was not responsible for.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 20, 2018, 2:23 pm

      Political influence in the US is bought. It is a form of prostitution. Kissing is not permitted. It is good while it lasts. It won’t last forever. Cf Tammany Hall

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 21, 2018, 1:01 am

      I’m sure you know more about Orban than I do, but I’ve been trying to track down this “Victor Orban is an anti-Semite” story. So far, all I can come up with is the following.

      1. Conflict with George Soros. GS is a Jew, so opposing him is anti-Semitism. (Israel, it seems, gave Orban a pass on that one.)

      2. The main point of contention with GS seems to be GS’s pushing for Middle Eastern/African immigration into Hungary. Orban has observed the effects of MEAI in Western Europe, and doesn’t want it in Hungary. This makes Orban a nasty racist, and ipso facto an anti-Semite.

      (These Middle Eastern/African immigrants are, allegedly, all ferocious anti-Semites, responsible for a dramatic rise in anti-Semitism in Western Europe.
      It seems odd to me that keeping anti-Semites out of Hungary is a sign of Hungarian anti-Semitism, but I’m sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation somewhere.)

      3. Orban is Hungarian nationalist. Being a nationalist is ipso facto anti-Semitic.

      4. Orban refuses to grovel for Hungary being on The Wrong Side in a war that ended seventeen years before he was born. He is prepared to name squares, approve statues, etc., of prominent Hungarians who were not quite politically correct in relation to that war.

      5. Some vague stuff about “dog whistles” in some of his speeches.

      Is there anything more substantive, or is Orban getting a bit of Corbyn treatment?

  3. eljay
    eljay
    September 20, 2018, 10:37 am

    … The Warsaw ghetto memoirs have helped me to understand the viciousness of the Israeli response to Palestinian resistance. The Jewish collective memory demanded a vengeful response to the Holocaust. The Nazis deserved some taste of what we had experienced at their hands. We were not able to achieve that satisfaction.

    We displaced those feelings on to the Palestinians. The desire for vengeance justifies slaughtering innocent protesters on the Gaza border, denying millions freedom of movement, and dimming the future of millions of young people in East Jerusalem and Israel. …

    Two of the core tenets of Zionism are:
    Acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews.
    Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    This empowers Zionists to do evil – however (mis-)directed – with impunity and with the hypocritical expectation that no-one else (in this case, their Palestinian victims) has a right to do similar evil back to them.

    • Elizabeth Block
      Elizabeth Block
      September 21, 2018, 10:19 am

      I quote Conor Cruise O’Brien, who as an Irishman knew whereof he spoke:
      “Oppressed peoples have a sense of their own virtue which is in direct proportion to the magnitude of the crimes they have been powerless to commit.”
      And I have a theory, based on nothing really, that the non-Jewish Zionism that seems so prevalent comes, at least in part, from admiration and respect for Israel as a powerful, violent nation. We say we aren’t impressed by bullies … but we are.

  4. John O
    John O
    September 20, 2018, 11:09 am

    Shakespeare had it figured:

    Third Citizen
    Your name, sir, truly.
    CINNA THE POET
    Truly, my name is Cinna.
    First Citizen
    Tear him to pieces; he’s a conspirator.
    CINNA THE POET
    I am Cinna the poet, I am Cinna the poet.
    Fourth Citizen
    Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses.
    CINNA THE POET
    I am not Cinna the conspirator.
    Fourth Citizen
    It is no matter, his name’s Cinna; pluck but his
    name out of his heart, and turn him going.

    (Julius Caesar: Act 3, scene 3)

  5. annie
    annie
    September 20, 2018, 11:21 am

    very moving/chilling Phil. Frydrych looks so much like you i thought the photo was a relative of yours.

  6. Stephen Shenfield
    Stephen Shenfield
    September 20, 2018, 1:20 pm

    You cannot just assume that the Israeli attitude to the Palestinians was to any significant extent a response to the Holocaust. Observers at the time noted that the press of the Yishuv (Zionist proto-state in Palestine) paid more attention to internal elections than to what was happening to Jews in Europe. At most the Holocaust reinforced the settlers’ belief in the historical necessity of their project, but that was a belief they already had before the Holocaust and would have had even without the Holocaust. They were hostile to the Palestinians because the Palestinians were an obstacle to the success of their project. The insubstantial links between some Palestinians and the Nazis were highlighted and exaggerated by Zionist propagandists to strengthen their hold over the Jewish masses, but Zionist policy toward the Palestinians would have been no different even if there had been no such links.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 20, 2018, 2:32 pm

      The article is good but it doesn’t mention trauma. Trauma is not rational. Nothing will bring back the decency of Polish Judaism. Beitar Jerusalem is no substitute. The Nazis are still winning

      Vengeance is well and good but Zionism doesn’t recognize the agency of any of the people in the countries it regularly trashes. Lebanese vengeance can also be cashed in blood if the paradigm fits. Nobody can say for sure that brainwashing Israeli Jews to think the world hates them is the best way to secure a Jewish state on the Med. Nietzsche said all nations are insane. Israel has built up a lot of risks.
      There is something about Jews and the use of power. I would have expected a Jewish state to be finer. Israel is like a rushed fuck. It never worked properly . Very unsatisfactory.

      Always taking a chance to miss a chance. Was that Golda?

  7. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 20, 2018, 1:26 pm

    I wonder would it be considered anti -IHRATIC to suggest that there should be a Nakba memorial as well the proposed Holocaust Memorial in London. Only fair I think because Britain had no responsibility for the Holocaust but arguably was chiefly responsible for the Nakba.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/united-kingdom/articles/britain-first-holocaust-memorial-to-open-in-london/

  8. bcg
    bcg
    September 20, 2018, 1:31 pm

    Maximus says “The real answer -and it is one you cannot discuss in polite company – is the massive financial and political power held by Zionist elites in almost all major Western nations. It is they who have made Jewish suffering seem both quantitately and qualitately ‘superior’ to any other insignincant people’s suffering.”

    I think we can be more specific: the U.S. and Israel military-industrial complexes are merging, and they/it has enormous power:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2

    “Here’s why the the US and Israel are such close allies…In 2015 more than half of the US’s foreign military aid went to Israel. That’s about $3.1 billion dollars. Much of this money Israel spends on US defense projects in return. “

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      September 20, 2018, 2:10 pm

      That article reads like a PR piece written by an embassy flunky. It’s hard to take seriously a piece which gushes over what a great ‘democracy’ Israel is.

      “Here’s why the the US and Israel are such close allies…In 2015 more than half of the US’s foreign military aid went to Israel. That’s about $3.1 billion dollars. Much of this money Israel spends on US defense projects in return. “

      What’s ‘much of this money’? AFAIK American ‘aid’ to Israel is highly unusual because zero conditions are attached to how the money is used. Let’s imagine (although I very much doubt it is true) that half of that ‘aid’ money is used on US projects. That’s less than 2 billion $. A piddling amount in the US budget. Nada really. No way is the US making its foreign policy open season for Israel for 2 billion $ a year.

      As for the rest… the US and Israel have never fought on the same side in any of either side’s numerous wars. Israel’s ‘intelligence’ is vastly overrated and in any case….. lots of countries practice intelligence sharing without one of them subsidising the other and offering unconditional support. So while it’s very very easy to see what Israel gets out of its ‘partnership’ with the US, the reverse is not true.

      As politically incorrect as it may be to say, the real reason the US supports Israel is because of the lobby.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        September 20, 2018, 11:00 pm

        Maximus Decimus Meridius: AFAIK American ‘aid’ to Israel is highly unusual because zero conditions are attached to how the money is used.
        —————————————————

        Under previous Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs) only 26.3% of military aid was allowed to be spent on Israeli-manufactured equipment, known as Off -Shore Procurement (OSP).

        Under the most recent agreement all OSP will be phased out by 2028, which means 100% of military aid will have to be spent on U.S. goods and services at that point.

        See: U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel Congressional Research Service April 10, 2018

        https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL33222.html

        Under the terms of the new MOU, OSP will remain until FY2024, but will then be gradually phased out, ending entirely in FY2028. The MOU calls on Israel to provide the United States with “detailed programmatic information related to the use of all U.S. funding, including funds used for OSP.”

        In response to the planned phase-out of OSP, some Israeli defense contractors may be seeking to merge with U.S. companies or open U.S. subsidiaries in order to continue their eligibility for defense contracts financed through FMF.

        * * * * *

        P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:

        $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

        $705.8 million for joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense projects, including $92 million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David’s Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

        $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

        $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

        $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

        $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

        The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        September 20, 2018, 11:46 pm

        MDM: So while it’s very very easy to see what Israel gets out of its ‘partnership’ with the US, the reverse is not true.
        —————————————–

        That depends on what you mean by “the US”. If “the US” refers to the American people, you are right. But if “the US” refers to the hegemonic power run by a tiny power-hunger greedy elite that leads the global capitalist/militarist system, then you haven’t even begun to make your case.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        September 20, 2018, 11:54 pm

        Big US military aid package to Israel has strings attached (Sept 2016)
        ———————————————

        […] while the actual memorandum of understanding hasn’t been officially released by either country, it has a number of conditions that are different from previous U.S.-Israel aid deals.

        Most importantly, it’s structured so that more Israeli defense spending goes to U.S. companies. Israel’s long-standing special arrangement for funds from the United States previously allowed Israel to spend 26 percent of the money in Israel — on Israeli-made defense products. But that provision is being phased out over the first five years of the deal.

        Sources on Capitol Hill with knowledge of the agreement said the deal states that Israel can’t lobby Congress for more money unless a war breaks out. It says that funds for missile defense are included in the $38 billion — previously, that money was negotiated separately. And it states that Israel can’t use any of the U.S.-provided funds for fuel, meaning more of the aid comes back to U.S. defense manufacturers.

        * * * *

        […] Some of Israel’s bigger contractors own smaller American companies, which would allow Israel to spend the money in the United States, as agreed upon in the deal, while still counting on the expertise and experience of Israeli firms. The country’s defense giant, Elbit Systems, for example, has a wholly owned subsidiary based in Fort Worth, Texas.

        Other Israeli defense companies may soon look to buy smaller American defense contractors as well. “The big contractors in Israel will follow Elbit’s methods and establish U.S. subsidiaries to work through,” said Liran Lublin, an analyst who covers Elbit for Israel Brokerage and Investments.

        * * * *

        […] Israel also spends its own funds on its military. Its budget for the past year, not including U.S. aid, was approximately $16 billion , or 5.4 percent of Israel’s gross domestic product. By comparison, the United States spends just more than 3 percent of its GDP on defense.

        In addition, Israeli defense companies have opened markets for themselves all over the world. Israeli defense firm IMI announced this week that exports of bullets to the United States have increased tenfold over the last two years.

        https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/big-us-military-aid-package-to-israel-has-strings-attached.html

        See also: Obama to Israel: Our Tax Dollars Won’t Go to Your Defense Contractors

        https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/18/obama-to-israel-our-tax-dollars-wont-go-to-your-defense-contractors/

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 21, 2018, 4:29 am

        “Under the most recent agreement all OSP will be phased out by 2028, which means 100% of military aid will have to be spent on U.S. goods and services at that point.”

        The chances of that actually being enforced hover somewhere around the zero point.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 21, 2018, 12:49 pm

        ” But if “the US” refers to the hegemonic power run by a tiny power-hunger greedy elite that leads the global capitalist/militarist system, then you haven’t even begun to make your case.”

        As opposed to yourself, whose ‘case’ appears to exist of a few cut and pastes?

        Put it this way: If the benefits of blind support for Israel are so very obvious, why the need for a highly funded lobby group which seeks to bully and intimidate all who don’t towe the line?

      • Keith
        Keith
        September 21, 2018, 2:21 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “But if “the US” refers to the hegemonic power run by a tiny power-hunger greedy elite that leads the global capitalist/militarist system, then you haven’t even begun to make your case.”

        Indeed, the imperial 1% implement or cause to be implemented policies which benefit the imperial 1%, frequently to the detriment of the 99%. Trying to evaluate how imperial policies benefit a particular segment of the 1% versus how it impacts other segments of the 1% can become a tricky business, particularly now that Jewish Zionist elites comprise a significant part of the imperial elite. Furthermore, thanks to the power of the Lobby writ large, Israel has become an integral part empire rather than a vassal state.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 21, 2018, 8:49 pm

        The conflict between “toe the line” (correct) and “tow the line” (wrong!) has been resolved by a compromise. We now have “towe the line”.

        Is this a model for the resolution of other conflicts?

  9. marc b.
    marc b.
    September 20, 2018, 1:37 pm

    “Frydrych looks so much like you i thought the photo was a relative of yours.”

    well, it is a photo of a relative . . . or of him. now that he’s been to warsaw.

  10. Liz
    Liz
    September 20, 2018, 2:25 pm

    What a beautifully written rendering, Phil. Thank you.

  11. bcg
    bcg
    September 20, 2018, 2:58 pm

    Maximus – yes, a couple billion recycled through the U.S. military industrial complex isn’t a whole lot of money, but Israel punches above its weight in terms of hardware. Here’s a partial list of Israeli military equipment used by the U.S. –

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-military-equipment-used-by-the-u-s

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      September 20, 2018, 6:02 pm

      Of course “Israel punches above its weight in terms of hardware” – after all, they’ve got a live (well, they used to be) population to test it on.

      “Here’s a partial list of Israeli military equipment used by the U.S.”

      Again though… how does this explain America’s unquestioning support of Israel? If you produce something, you’re going to need to sell it. Last time I checked, countries didn’t only sell military hardware on condition the buyer supported all their wars and occupations without question.

      Israel needs the US, badly. The US needs Israel like a hole in the head.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 20, 2018, 9:56 pm

        Israel wouldn’t work without the veto and the resupply in its wars when it starts running out of material .
        There is a lot of projection in there. Israel didn’t really build any political credit of its own in the Middle East since 1948.
        If Carlsberg made sustainable Jewish States they wouldn’t claim responsibility for Israel.

  12. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 20, 2018, 3:18 pm

    @MDM
    “As politically incorrect as it may be to say, the real reason the US supports Israel is because of the lobby”

    In a truly democratic society pointing out the truth should never be considered politically incorrect.

  13. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 20, 2018, 3:22 pm

    Just on vengeance. Ww2 was more than 70 years ago.

    In the immediate aftermath of the war many Germans left behind in Eastern Europe were murdered as in Czechoslovakia. This did not last 70 years.

    https://youtu.be/K7fs5Sb6Vms

    27 million people were murdered between Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. 21 million were not Jewish. Why aren’t Poles following the Israeli example? Perhaps it’s about leadership.

    Or perhaps other cultures understand violence better.
    The Zionist project involved dumping several millennia of Jewish cultural practice
    Violence has always been a dead end.
    Israel can’t escape it.

    Hillel saw a skull floating in the water

    Ahl d’ateift aftfuch, v’sof mitofayich yitufun.

    “You were drowned because you drowned others. And ultimately, those who drowned you will also drown.”

    Killing people 70 years later is not vengeance. It’s more like paying off debt with new loans.

  14. Boris
    Boris
    September 20, 2018, 3:50 pm

    It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany.

    It is also antisemitic.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 20, 2018, 4:33 pm

      “It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany.”

      There are some problems with it. The Nazis had about 90 million people firmly under their control, (post Anschluss, pre Blitzkreig) and a big chunk or European territory with an advanced economy and disciplined people used to authoritarianism with a long military tradition.
      Israel has only a fraction of that, and no real control over a great part of its population, they can leave whenever they want. I don’t think Germany was as critically dependent as Israel is, either.

      But people seem to see Zionists and Nazis as having the same beliefs about the superiority, rights and resentments of their respective “peoples”, and a willingness to effect those beliefs in the same violent way.

      BTW, “Boris”, if you have a plan to stop people from seeing this and expressing it, please tell me what it is.

      • Boris
        Boris
        September 20, 2018, 4:49 pm

        I was obviously referring to the article’s equating German treatment of Jews during the Holocaust with Israel’s policies toward Palestinians.

        There is absolutely nothing to debate here. You are sick.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 20, 2018, 6:44 pm

        “There is absolutely nothing to debate here. You are sick”

        No, there isn’t much to debate. People will be making Nazi-Zionist comparisons and finding Nazi-Zionist parallels more and more.

        What’s you plan to deal with that?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 21, 2018, 5:10 am

        Boris: “I was obviously referring to the article’s equating German treatment of Jews during the Holocaust with Israel’s policies toward Palestinians.”

        The bad treatment of Jews didn’t start with gassing them. You obviously don’t know much about the German treatment of Jews.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 21, 2018, 9:59 am

        Boris

        You don’t know anything about the collapse of the German economy in the 20s either.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 12:43 pm

        “The bad treatment of Jews didn’t start with gassing them”

        IIRC, the majority fell before the machine guns of the Einsatzgruppen, and in the work camps. All conditions Israel is well able to emulate without building gas chambers.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 21, 2018, 4:19 pm

        Mooser, the bad treatment of Jews didn’t start with mass murdering them. It started much earlier.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 22, 2018, 1:35 pm

        “Mooser, the bad treatment of Jews didn’t start with mass murdering them. It started much earlier.”

        I actually know that. But I try to be cheerful in spite of it.

      • gamal
        gamal
        September 22, 2018, 4:53 pm

        “I actually know that”

        have you proof, of knowing?

        “But I try to be cheerful in spite of it”

        i get it

        “And where is the passage
        whose tenor is this:
        I wish I could be
        a rock on a hill
        which the young men
        from Hebron explode
        and offer as a gift to Jerusalem’s children,
        ammunition for their palms and slings!”

        Myself I like a guy who can sling a psalm, or a woman….

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      September 20, 2018, 5:00 pm

      Antisemitic? How so? I know a good half-dozen of bona fide Jews who are dedicated anti-Nazis and have proved it in battle. I also know a couple of dedicated Jewish anti-Nazis who have battled the Jewish Nazism replica in Palestine.
      So it can’t be antisemitic. It’s just anti-Nazi.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 22, 2018, 5:43 am

        Antisemitism has been drained of meaning due to overuse

    • Donald
      Donald
      September 20, 2018, 5:20 pm

      Boris—

      Where does Phil do that? He says the Israelis are taking out their vengeance on the Palestinians. Not the same thing. He says the Israelis have treated the Palestinians with viciousness. He never says the Holocaust and the Nakba are on the same level. You just need him to have said that so you can sit on your high horse.

      I don’t buy Phil’s thesis. Or not much of it. All colonialists find some reason to demonize their victims. I do think the Holocaust was seen by some people, Jewish and Gentile, as a justification for Zionists doing whatever they wanted and there might have been more criticism if the Holocaust wasn’t in the background.. But the brutality would have been about the same.

      • Boris
        Boris
        September 21, 2018, 12:02 am

        He is talking about Jews in their hiding hearing German boots on the stairs. And he ends with the notion that Palestinians “need to hear those boots on the stairs.” This is a direct connection between genocidal Germans and today’s Israelis.

        Well, Jews did not attack Germans, did not blow up restaurants, churches and buses. They did not kidnap and murder German kids. And Israel does not have plans to annihilate Palestinians, like Germans had toward Jews.

        All Israel’s military operations are purely defensive.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 21, 2018, 8:29 am

        || Boris: … All Israel’s military operations are purely defensive. ||

        Yup, nothing says “purely defensive” like a state stealing, militarily-occupying and colonizing huge swaths of territory outside of its (Partition) borders and engaging in decades’ worth (and counting) of (war) crimes to secure what it has stolen.

        You, sir, are no Jack Green…but you’re pretty funny anyway.  :-)

      • Donald
        Donald
        September 21, 2018, 8:43 am

        “All Israel’s military operations are purely defensive.”

        Rubbish.

        And “ boots on the stairs” is a comparison, but a weak one, not meant to imply literal equivalence. People make Nazi comparisons all the time. Israel defenders do it constantly. In this case Phil claims the Israelis dehumanize the Palestinians to get revenge against the Nazis and so they want the Palestinians as Nazi surrogates to suffer. I think that is an overstatement, because it is common for colonialists to treat the natives as horrible people who deserve horrible treatment— they have to think this way to feel good about themselves as they steal the land. The Holocaust is an extra factor which makes this tendency worse, but the treatment of the Palestinians would have been bad with or without the Holocaust.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 21, 2018, 10:34 am

        Boris: “Well, Jews did not attack Germans, did not blow up restaurants, churches and buses.”

        They did so in Palestine.

        Boris: “All Israel’s military operations are purely defensive.”

        Ok, Boris, it’s one thing not to tell the truth, but do you actually believe your nonsense, too?

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        September 21, 2018, 11:06 am

        @Boris
        “All Israel’s military operations are purely defensive.”

        You live in a Hasbara induced fantasy world.

        To be brief, a detailed examination of all military conflicts (using acknowledged scholarly, duly documented/foot noted sources) between the undefined entity known as “Israel” and the Palestinians or Arab states will reveal that they were either started directly or precipitated by “Israel.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 12:24 pm

        “Ok, Boris, it’s one thing not to tell the truth, but do you actually believe your nonsense, too?”

        After what Zionism did for “Boris”, he believes it can do anything!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 3:25 pm

        “Well, Jews did not attack Germans, did not blow up restaurants, churches and buses. They did not kidnap and murder German kids.”

        Don’t sell us short, “Boris”! We Jews were a pretty big deal in the Socialist and even Communist revolutionary movements in Europe.
        People admired our commitment to overthrowing the established aristocracies and liberating the proletariat.
        Didn’t they tell you about in school, when you were growing up?

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        September 21, 2018, 4:14 pm

        @boris. well that is a flat out lie. Israel wants to annihilate the palestinian people. they have undergone a systemic policy of trying to break the cultural links of the people and erase them from history. and none of Israels miltary actions have been defensive. 48 was a war of conquest so 67 where they were the agressors both times. their other military actions are not to defend but to punish and degrade the peoples around them.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 21, 2018, 8:59 pm

        “Didn’t they tell you about in school, when you were growing up?”

        Two unwarranted assumptions there, Mooser.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        September 24, 2018, 11:51 pm

        Boris –
        I agree with everyone here – your antisemitism card is the only trump card in your titanic deck of victimization, blame, hysteria and lies. I’ve been thinking about your original post here on this page and your pearl clutching response to the notion that zionist jews are the nazis here (you talk about germany’s ‘policies’ and israel’s ‘treatment’, nice try but no go, we talk about israel’s policies all the time; they are not random and scattered but law – separate and unequal and are systematic) and could only come up with only a few possible solutions for them. 1) You are in a denial that is pathologic regarding the zionist’s state genocidal fantasies WRT palestinians and their lands and their genocidal plans (since before Dalet), in speech, thought and deeds. I give you the benefit of a doubt and say denial first rather than suggest you have some intellectual dysfunction that disallows facts on these pages and others to get into your brain for processing. 2) You are unwilling to see palestinians as human beings and equals. It’s much easier to treat them the way they are treated when you deny their humanity, right? That’s what the nazis did to the jews/gypsies/poles/catholics/communists/homosexuals/mentally or physically handicapped; what the europeans did to africans and americans continue to this day; what the spanish did to the aztec, incas and mayans; what the hutus did to the tutsis; what Malaysia is doing to the Royhinga, etc., etc., etc. or 3) You are an unapologetic zionist hasbara tool and propaganda is all you do.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        September 25, 2018, 8:26 am

        Boris
        I should have also added what the Europeans/Americans did and continue to do to the indigenous people of what they believe they discovered and called the ‘New World’ (only because it was new to them and no one else counts, right)? You need to stop yourself and realize that jews don’t have the market on pain and suffering and their pain and suffering, ancient or more recent does not in any way imaginable serve as an excuse to what has been done to the palestinian people for almost 100 years.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 21, 2018, 10:04 am

      @Boris

      “It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany. It is also antisemitic.”

      Jan 19, 2018 – Haaretz
      Opinion: “In Israel, Growing Fascism and a Racism Akin to Early Nazism” by Zeev Sternhell.**
      EXCERPT:
      “I frequently ask myself how a historian in 50 or 100 years will interpret our period. When, he will ask, did people in Israel start to realize that the state that was established in the War of Independence, on the ruins of European Jewry and at the cost of the blood of combatants some of whom were Holocaust survivors, had devolved into a true monstrosity for its non-Jewish inhabitants. When did some Israelis understand that their cruelty and ability to bully others, Palestinians or Africans, began eroding the moral legitimacy of their existence as a sovereign entity?”

      Also:
      https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-gaza-border-killings-expose-israel-s-true-mentality-1.6032716
      Opinion: “Gaza Border Killings Expose Israel’s True Mentality
      And Bezalel Smotrich, like the cynical face of Avigdor Lieberman, reflects our own face, the face of Netanyahu’s advance guard for the West.”
      By Zeev Sternhell Apr 27, 2018 – Haaretz

      ** Zeev Sternhell is a Polish-born Israeli historian, political scientist, commentator on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and writer. He is one of the world’s leading experts on fascism. Sternhell headed the Department of Political Science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

      • Eva Smagacz
        Eva Smagacz
        September 22, 2018, 7:22 pm

        @Boris

        “It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany. It is also antisemitic.”

        “It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany. It is also Anti-IHRATIC”

        Here – I fixed it for you, Boris.

        Too “funny” that Zeev Sternhell is Anti-IHRATIC too. By which I mean that Rabbi Hillel the Elder himself would weep.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      September 23, 2018, 7:04 am

      Boris: “It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany.

      It is also antisemitic.”

      Shlomo Shmelzman:
      “In my childhood I have suffered fear, hunger and humiliation when I passed from the Warsaw Ghetto, through labour camps, to Buchenwald. Today, as a citizen of Israel, I cannot accept the systematic destruction of cities, towns and refugee camps. I cannot accept the technocratic cruelty of the bombing, destroying and killing of human beings.

      I hear too many familiar sounds today, sounds which are being amplified by the war. I hear “dirty Arabs” and I remember “dirty Jews”. I hear about “closed areas” and I remember ghettos and camps. I hear “two-legged beasts” and I remember “Untermenschen” (subhumans). I hear about tightening the siege, clearing the area, pounding the city into submission and I remember suffering, destruction, death, blood and murder… Too many things in Israel remind me of too many things from my childhood.” (Chomsky, The Fateful Triangle, p. 257)

      It seems that you are not only an antisemite, but also a Holocaust denier, Boris.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 25, 2018, 10:28 pm

      “It is absolutely sick to equate Israel with Nazi Germany.”

      I’m prepared to leave the comparisons to Maj. Gen. Yair Golan.

  15. gamal
    gamal
    September 20, 2018, 7:08 pm

    “The Holocaust made the west Zionist”

    “You’d want to kill the Nazis too”

    “Maybe that is the character of history”

    “We displaced those feelings on to the Palestinians. The desire for vengeance justifies slaughtering innocent protesters on the Gaza border, denying millions freedom of movement, and dimming the future of millions of young people in East Jerusalem and Israel. The Palestinians are going to have to suffer for a long time. They need to hear those boots on the stairs”

    “dimming” …”the future” British in its understatement

    So, I ain’t really engaging, so the crimes of Zionism are just misdirected freedom fighting….what always puzzles me Weiss is that, oh well, this leads you to reconsideration of Jewish Zionist violence..it’s just Jews fighting white oppression.. but never a reconsideration of the fetishisation and hysteria about Palestinian violence..honestly who do you think, who do you think Weiss

    “To be a Jew means always being with the oppressed and never the oppressors”

    he was referring to, to too conservative Syrians, not overthrowing Assad? or those to blame for their fucked up county Egyptians or blameless white people in the age of Trump. But yes at some unspecified time in the future we could be like Americans, I’d rather stub this spliff out in my own eye, the Germans, the Whites, and trauma to blame for the crimes in Palestine…Palestinians? I mean who cares.

    you really should write a post on “Palestinian terrorism”, “suicide/homicide terrorism” etc…I blame the Germans, but you are not absolved or black, when you die man you have to face some hard truths.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 21, 2018, 3:44 am

      The Holocaust generated sympathy capital which was interpreted in Israel as a carte blanche. Airline frequent flyer miles are time limited. So is sympathy capital and massacres run it down even faster. Aung Sung Suu Kyi, formerly the poster child for Western human rights advocates, is the reference here. What counts is media reputation and she lost hers. Israel is too unstable to continue getting a pass . Can Zionists live in peace? It doesn’t look like they can.

    • marc b.
      marc b.
      September 23, 2018, 2:09 pm

      Certainly one of the more bizarre ‘autobiographical’ pieces Weiss has done. ‘Memories’ of the hearsay testimonies of Douglas Feith’s family history, returning to the ‘scene of the boots’, ‘justice for the remnant’, but the money’s just not enough. The Germans destroyed Warsaw, ‘the scene of the boots’, barely leaving a building standing, or a stick of furniture untouched, so I’m not sure what scene Weiss was looking at. (Apparently when rebuilding, too much was spent on ‘rebuilding’, and foodstuffs, and not enough on the right memorials). As for Justice, or more importantly for Weiss, vengeance, the Allied area bombing campaign, mass expulsion and forced labor of ethnic Germans, rape and plunder on a biblical scale, and the partition and occupation of Germany seems pretty harsh stuff. The statistics are debated, but more than a million Germans murdered or worked to death after the war doesn’t appear to be an exaggeration from what I’ve read. And setting aside the German remains, Poland was looted, deserted by the Allies, not that I can recall a single movie in English celebrating the Poles attempt to recover bits of their stolen heritage.

  16. johneill
    johneill
    September 21, 2018, 12:56 am

    i just finished reading ‘the zookeepers wife’, an exceptional wartime-warsaw story that’s well-developed, if a bit overwritten. it brought a hans frank quote to my attention, and its obvious correlation to zionist policy needs not be mentioned: ‘we ask nothing of [them], except that they should disappear.’

  17. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 21, 2018, 3:15 am

    “It did not matter that the actual memory was not my mother’s or mine. This had happened to us, the Jews. She’d been a girl when the news had broken in the U.S. ”

    This had happened to us, the Jews, not to us, the Americans.

  18. Nathan
    Nathan
    September 21, 2018, 9:40 am

    “But we all know that this is why Israel exists, as an answer to European antisemitism”. No, actually, we don’t ALL agree that Israel exists as an answer to European antisemitism. It comes as a surprise to see that an intellectual can claim that there is unanimity on such an historical or political issue. There are, of course, many views on the rise of Israel. It was disappointing to read that the only other view presented was that of the religious Zionists. I would imagine that it was assumed that the readers wouldn’t take the religious view too seriously, so it was thrown into the article as the only (silly) exception to the otherwise “obvious” universal truth that Israel was “an answer to European antisemitism”.

    In the anti-Israel presentation of history, the Jews came to Palestine (fleeing from persecution), and therefore the result of it all was that the Palestinians are “paying for European crimes”. The article tells us that, indeed, “Palestinians say so all the time”. Well, people say things that are not necessarily accurate.

    Those fleeing antisemitism came to Palestine because there was an existing Jewish community that was interested and capable of taking them in. If this community had not come into being, then it is more than obvious that the Jewish refugees would never have come to Palestine. Holocaust survivors did not come flocking to Syria or Iraq or Egypt. They came to Palestine because a new reality of Jewish autonomous life impressed them, and rightly so.

    Those who revived the Hebrew language were idealists with a (cultural) vision of the future, not refugees running for their lives (refugees don’t revive extinct languages). Those who built the kibbutzim were socialist revolutionaries who wished to create a utopia. These and others created the new Jewish community in Palestine which sought eventual statehood, and they succeeded. It wasn’t about antisemitism.

    It seems to be very difficult for those who support the Palestinians to express criticism of the Palestinians. I suppose that it is feared that expressing such criticism might be understood as justifying the views of Israel (heaven help us). So, I guess it’s up to me to challenge the position of this article that the Palestinian plight is a result of European antisemitism. The Palestinians are a defeated people, and that’s it. They’re not the only defeated people in the history of conflicts, so it’s not such an unusual phenomenon. Their defeat has to be viewed with just a little bit of objectivity. They couldn’t organize an effective army (because of the rivalry between the various clans), and the neighboring Arab states were so corrupt and inept that they, too, were soundly defeated in 1948 by the very small Jewish community. Moreover, it is utterly amazing that people who understand that they cannot possibly defeat the Jews nevertheless insist on going to war, rejecting any proposal for negotiations or compromise. To put it mildly, it was quite a mistake – and a very strange mistake. This is the source of the Palestinian plight – not European antisemitism.

    One more little historical note: When you go to war and you are defeated, you do have the option of surrender. Yes, sometimes surrender is the wisest path to take. Sadly for the Palestinians, they simply don’t understand that ending the conflict with Israel (i.e. “surrender”) might just be their best option. And how tragic it is that their supporters in the west don’t feel that they have the right to criticize the Palestinians. Whatever bad tactics the Palestinians might take will always be fine with the anti-Israel crowd.

    They can’t defeat Israel, but they won’t end the conflict – so, let’s pretend that all their plight is a result of European antisemitism.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 21, 2018, 9:53 am

      Some utopia where kids are brainwashed and human rights represent Jew hatred.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      September 21, 2018, 10:29 am

      Nathan: “Holocaust survivors did not come flocking to Syria or Iraq or Egypt. They came to Palestine because a new reality of Jewish autonomous life impressed them, and rightly so.”

      Rubbish. Their first target was not Palestine, but the US. Guess what the Zionist lobby did in the US to prevent that from happening.

      Nathan: “Yes, sometimes surrender is the wisest path to take”

      Yes, Tokyo Rose. Imagine all the Jews would have just surrendered to the Nazis. That would have been wise in your eyes, right?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 21, 2018, 12:54 pm

        “Rubbish. Their first target was not Palestine, but the US. Guess what the Zionist lobby did in the US to prevent that from happening.”

        Exactly. Given a choice, Jews rarely choose to go to Israel. Those who do are increasingly right-wing fanatics. All those Soviet Jews who immigrated to Isreal would have much preferred to live in the US or Western Europe, but visas were hard to come by. The largest group of immigrants to Israel now are Ukranian Jews, fleeing the conflict there. If they could get visas for a Western country, you can be certain the vast majority would choose that rather than a dump like Israel.

  19. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 21, 2018, 10:14 am

    Re vengeance – what was the motivation of the Nazis? Vengeance for what ?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 21, 2018, 12:38 pm

      “Vengeance for what ?”

      As the Nazis posited the issues: For the “stab-in-the-back” which caused Germany to lose WW1, and Jewish involvement in the German revolutions and socialism. And Communism! For a start.

      • Boris
        Boris
        September 21, 2018, 1:19 pm

        Yes, Phil.

        They will always find an excuse to hate us and blame for their failures.

        The problem is that some Jews – like you – believe their bs.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 21, 2018, 2:59 pm

        “The problem is that some Jews – like you – believe their bs.”

        “Boris”, all that “self-hatred” and “internalized antisemitism” nonsense is a very bad tactic to use on American Jews. Immediately self-defeating. It’ll get you nothing except FU’s and empty Blue Boxes.
        Why don’t you try another tactic, another strategy?

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 21, 2018, 4:08 pm

        Boris . Examples please.

      • Keith
        Keith
        September 21, 2018, 8:05 pm

        BORIS- “They will always find an excuse to hate us and blame for their failures.”

        Yes, we non-Jews are all alike and I suspect that you behave accordingly.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 23, 2018, 2:12 pm

        “Yes, we non-Jews are all alike…”

        Oh my God, that means that Trump will get a second term, and be completely exonerated in the Russia-treason matter.

  20. Edward Q
    Edward Q
    September 21, 2018, 1:05 pm

    This is not the conclusion Norman Finkelstein reached about the role of the holocaust in Zionism. According to him, it was the 1967 victory that galvanized the Jewish community behind Israel. The holocaust did not become a big issue until many years after WWII.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      September 21, 2018, 2:24 pm

      Finkelstein’s sparring partner, the late Peter Novick, said the same thing. During the war itself – when the oppression of Jews under Naziism was well-known, even if the magnitude of the holocaust was not – most American Jews weren’t as concerned as you might assume. In the 1950s, the holocaust was barely mentioned. It was only when Israel became a major military power that the holocaust started becoming the defining feature of American Jewry.

  21. tommy
    tommy
    September 21, 2018, 2:12 pm

    Sirhan Sirhan experienced the Warsaw Ghetto rage, and acted accordingly.

  22. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    September 21, 2018, 5:52 pm

    Just the byline alone was enough to know that feckless mondoweiss owner PW is off on another escapade of trying to explain what people who lost entire extended families or saw these members starved shot and raped before their eye were thinking in their heart of hearts and what their “one” desire was (were they to even survive that was)

    While I have respect for a few commenters here and an editor or two it seems obvious that PW is becoming more and more unhinged. It’s one thing that he obsesses over the jewish lobby but now he is claiming to know what motivates Jews surviving either Warsaw or the camps or hiding. I’m not going to deny that plenty of survivors wanted revenge or at least vengeance against specific or general enemies that killed them but it is patently absurd to claim they then directed this same lust for vengeance onto the Arabs living in their midst as they were for a hundred years earlier and much longer then that.
    . Also, if pw wants to discuss vengeance over the middle east he might want to look up translations of Arabic scholarly, political and journalistic articles expressing the great desire within the Arab heart to purge all zionists from all of Israel and (supposedly) allow only non Zionist Jews to live as a protected minority. But, in the takes they openly tell of when they will eventually ‘take back’ tel Aviv, Golan, the Negev…… Nahhh. Couldn’t be. Arabs are too damn peaceful. The whole region wood be at peace by now….

    • eljay
      eljay
      September 21, 2018, 8:17 pm

      || @Daa: Just the byline alone was enough to know that feckless mondoweiss owner PW is off on another escapade of trying to explain what people who lost entire extended families or saw these members starved shot and raped before their eye were thinking in their heart of hearts and what their “one” desire was (were they to even survive that was) … ||

      It doesn’t matter what Phil thinks or doesn’t think, and it makes no difference if you’re pretending to get revenge on Nazis or engaging in colonialism, supremacism and (war) crimes against non-Jews in geographic Palestine just for the hell of it. The past and on-going actions of hateful and immoral Jewish supremacists (Zionists) like you tell it exactly the way it is.

      But I’m sure if you shout “anti-Semitism” or maybe even “Jasenovac” and “@ustashi” loud enough it’ll magically transform into virtue the evil you consistently advocate, engage in, support, justify and/or defend.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 23, 2018, 11:59 am

        @ej

        Your first paragraph is consistent with your familiar views but I’m unsure what the “pretending” refers to. There was most definitely revenge taken out by some parties upon Naxis that was not pretend. Revenge is a fairly universal desire spread throughout humanity. But pw claiming knowledge of some specific psychological transference of revenge from the perpetrators of their families murders onto a people who were fighting to stop them from creating a new political entity is exactly the point of my comment. PW theoretically sets the tone of the site as its owner and is as responsible for his iinanity just had he harps on what he believes are the absurdities of the publishers of the nyt.

        Your last paragraph makes little sense to me. I believe there are those that hate jews on this blog but you have never struck me as particularly hateful of anybody. You do openly hate zionism and I’ve pointed out the vast majority of jews worldwide consider themselves zionists is something to ponder. But you’ve made clear you are not swayed by numbers and your passions are ideological. You oppose zionism because you oppose supremacism. Understood. You don’t seem as invested in figuring out pathetic, guilt driven, psuedo-psychologicsl expansions for the behavior of the people you think are supremacists. and in some odd way I agree with you. the particular motivations for revenge for one group in long term conflict with another are as varied and sorted as any group of humans on earth.
        . I suppose I have higher expectations from the publisher of a site seeking legitimacy then I do from the commentary section. Of course there is always the possibility that PW posts here as alter: mooser to express his more intellectual and serious side.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 23, 2018, 6:17 pm

        || @ Daak: @ej … But pw claiming knowledge of some specific psychological transference of revenge from the perpetrators of their families murders onto a people who were fighting to stop them from creating a new political entity is exactly the point of my comment. … ||

        And my point is that it really doesn’t matter whether Phil’s hypothesis about “psychological transference” is right or wrong. It’s not as though the past and on-going evils of Zionism, Zionists and the “Jewish State” project are lessened just because Phil incorrectly guessed the motivation(s).

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 22, 2018, 1:29 pm

      “Just the byline alone was enough to know that feckless mondoweiss owner PW is off on another escapade”

      The man just does not give a feck, does he? Maybe he’s run out of fecks to give.

  23. Boomer
    Boomer
    September 21, 2018, 8:04 pm

    What a powerful, heartfelt essay Phil. There’s not much that I–an outsider–can say about it. Except that I hope with time a younger generation can find a way to move on. It reminded me of a passage in “From Beirut to Jerusalem” that I’ve mentioned before. I read that book many years ago, but one scene in particular has stuck with me. In it, Friedman tells of a conversation with his grocer, an elderly man called Sasson.

    “Everything Sasson had learned, smelled, and touched his whole life had led him to the conviction that the Arabs would never willingly accept a Jewish state in their midst, and that any concessions to the Palestinians would eventually be used to destroy Israel, piece by piece. . . . Deep down, Sasson knows what he took from the Palestinians, and he knows that the Palestinians know what he took.”

    In WWII the Allies and the Axis did terrible things to each other. Now Germany and Japan, the U.S. and the UK are allies. We have moved on. So too with America and Vietnam. Whether something similar is possible in the Middle East, I don’t know. Perhaps it will happen someday; I don’t expect to live long enough to see it. There are many man-made, unnecessary, tragic problems in the world today. America has been part of the problem in some of them. As an American, I’d like to see us do more to help the people being hurt those situations.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 22, 2018, 5:45 am

      The man’s too strong

      https://youtu.be/BOrXTZyXWLg

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        September 22, 2018, 9:11 am

        I liked the music, but couldn’t quite make out the lyrics, nor what to make of them. So I did a search for an explanation and found this:

        https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-source-explaining-the-lyrics-for-The-Mans-Too-Strong-by-Dire-Straits

        Regarding my comment about “moving on,” I should add that it was mainly empty aspiration. Realistically, I fear the only kind of “moving on” available to the Palestinian refugees is and will continue to be entirely literal: somehow finding their way to a country that will allow them to become citizens with a chance at a decent life, albeit as strangers in a strange land. It would be nice to think that Jewish Israelis would allow Palestinians to live among them and share the land that once was theirs, nice to think that both sides could “move on” in that more constructive way, but I don’t expect that to happen.

        Recently I heard a talk by someone who knows a lot about the region and the attitudes of people there. I inferred that the only kind of “right of return” that has a chance of garnering approval by a majority of Jews in Israel would be a return of refugees to a portion of the occupied territories. That portion would remain under military control: either by the IDF, or by some “multi-lateral” force approved by Israel. The portion would be that which (a) has not been settled by Jews, and (b) is not otherwise deemed essential by Jews to Israel for strategic or other reasons. Possibly, as well, some few refugees who were born in what is now Israel before 1948 would be allowed to return home to die.

        Given those parameters as the most that Israel might be willing to grant, the options for Palestinian refugees in the region seem bleak. Thus, as I’ve mentioned before, I believe that the United States should offer those who wish to come here the opportunity to do so. I believe we owe them that much: our support of Israel’s actions has made us complicit.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 22, 2018, 10:03 am

        Israël has never had peace. Israeli soldiers kill for a sick system of Jewish wealth and privilege. Eventually the soldiers will also be shafted. Adelson doesn’t care about them either.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 22, 2018, 1:30 pm

        “Given those parameters as the most that Israel might be willing to grant, the options for Palestinian refugees in the region seem bleak.”

        Gee, given the demographic and social (cough, cough) trends among Jews, maybe the Palestinians should hold out a while yet.

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        September 23, 2018, 8:35 am

        re: “maybe the Palestinians should hold out a while yet”

        For most of them, as I understand their situation, that is the only path open to them. I’d like to see the U.S. offer them something better if they wish to avail of it. Unfortunately, it appears that the Trump Administration is doing just the opposite.

        https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/31/politics/trump-administration-ending-funding-palestinian-refugees/index.html

  24. Jim Holstun
    Jim Holstun
    September 22, 2018, 8:15 am

    Really striking, and beautifully written, with lots to think about. But I wonder about how far the vengeance explanation goes. On the one hand, yes, and for instance, Abba Kovner: Lithuanian poet, partisan, member of the postwar group Nakam, which planned to poison German prisoners and, if possible, six million German civilians. In Israel, as a Givati morale officer, he was famous and notorious for his fascist “Battle Sheets,” which gloried in the reality and the prospect of dead Egyptian soldiers.

    But on the other hand, Tom Segev’s The Seventh Million, which shows the grave indifference of the Yishuv to European Jews before and during the war, and to the “human dust” that survived–this was a phrase applied not just to Palestinian refugees and Mizrahi emigrants, but to Ashkenazi Holocaust survivors. The motive of this group–David Ben Gurion et al–was not so much vengeance as a calculating colonial nationalism and capitalism.

    Still, it’s true that the most horrifying imaginable response to a Jewish child shot down in a Warsaw street in 1942 is a Palestinian child shot down at the Gaza fence in 2018.

  25. jon s
    jon s
    September 22, 2018, 10:02 am

    I thought Phil’s essay was quite moving, until I reached the last two paragraphs, which are way off-base , in my opinion.
    There was no uniform “Jewish response” on the part of the survivors. Some remained religious, others abandoned religion . Elie Wiesel made his way to New York, Primo Levi returned to Italy, Marek Edelman remained in Poland, Abba Kovner came to Israel.
    Of those who came to Israel, some became right-wing hawks, some left-wing peace activists, some in the center. But “slaughtering innocent protesters on the Gaza border”? As vengeance for the Holocaust? In 2018? Just posing those questions shows the absurdity.
    The survivor I’m closest to personally, my mother-in-law, who was a child in the Kindertransport, has no desire to harm anyone , including Palestinians in Gaza or anywhere else.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      September 23, 2018, 7:49 am

      Yawwnnnnn.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 23, 2018, 1:36 pm

      Poor “Jon s”. He’s feeling the “intangible poignancy”. It’s like being stabbed by an invisible dagger.

  26. Eva Smagacz
    Eva Smagacz
    September 22, 2018, 9:16 pm

    What Westfalian treaty of 1648 did to territorial integrity, so western countries upheavals throughout the early 19th century, culminating in revolutions of 1848 did to national integrity, creating, as they did, the ideology of national integrity over the geographical homeland.

    National integrity being culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a common ancestry.

    With 4 out of 5 markers for national integrity present in Jewish European population, it is not difficult to understand that an urgent need for geographical homeland emerged for jewish intellectuals of that period. After all, they needed not to be worse than their Gentile proto-politologists.

    Hence the idea of colonising the Palestine was born. After all, natives were dispensable, and idea of European supremacy insidious and
    seductive and congruent with idea of Jewish supremacy.

  27. michtom
    michtom
    September 22, 2018, 11:02 pm

    There’s one thing left out: the Balfour Declaration. In 1917, the British committed to a European Jewish “homeland” in Palestine, i.e., a Zionist state.

    The Holocaust made that easier, but it was ~30 years later.

    It’s always seemed to me the *important* thing was Israel would be white & European.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      September 23, 2018, 2:43 am

      michtom: “In 1917, the British committed to a European Jewish “homeland” in Palestine, i.e., a Zionist state.”

      Nope, just a homeland, not a state. It was made clear to Zioinst that the either would accept a homeland or that they won’t get anything. The first General Attorney of Palestine wrote about the “homeland”:

      “A national home, as distinguished from a state, is a country where a people are acknowledged as having a recognized legal position and the opportunity of developing their cultural, social and intellectual ideals without receiving political rights.”
      (Norman Bentwich, Palestine, 1934, p. 101 cit. in Cattan: Palestine and International Law, 1973, p. 15)

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        September 23, 2018, 8:52 am

        I think you’re being a bit too generous to HMG there, Talkback. The ambiguous ‘homeland’ was used but it was immediately made clear in briefings to the Press that ‘Palestine was for the Jews’ (which was more or less the Times headline the following day) and made brutally clear to one and all that the existing population was not going to be consulted. My country much disgraced. Margaret MacMillan’s ‘Peacemakers’ seems to me to be the best guide.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 23, 2018, 10:37 am

        Apparently Beersheba is not colorblind . Jon S has the details. Otherwise contact Mooser.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 23, 2018, 12:41 pm

        MHghes976: “The ambiguous ‘homeland’ was used but it was immediately made clear in briefings to the Press that ‘Palestine was for the Jews’ (which was more or less the Times headline the following day) …”

        Churchill made it clear to Weizman that the mandate wasn’t about creating a state and that the Zionist could either take it or it would be dropped.

        See also the 1922 White Paper
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_White_Paper

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        September 24, 2018, 4:53 pm

        I don’t see anything in that Wikipedia article, Talkback, to suggest that the Zionists had ever been asked to accept, on pain of getting nothing, that a national home was less than a state, though I think some Zionists did claim that they did not insist on statehood. Churchill did not threaten to halt Jewish immigration, the only leverage he had, unless more modest aims were accepted. The original Balfour document doesn’t set conditions and if anything was made clear it was that local consent would not be sought. Churchill was not involved at that point.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 25, 2018, 4:06 am

        MHighes976: “I don’t see anything in that Wikipedia article, Talkback, to suggest that the Zionists had ever been asked to accept, on pain of getting nothing, that a national home was less than a state, though I think some Zionists did claim that they did not insist on statehood.”

        My reference to the White Paper was additional. I just can’t find my comment on MW where I linked that the Zionist had been asked to accept it or get nothing. It’s somewhere here on MW.

        RE: White Paper:
        “His Majesty’s Government are unable at present to foresee the exact constitutional forms which government in Palestine will eventually take, but their objective is self government, and they desire to see established ultimately an independent Palestine State. It should be a State in which the two peoples in Palestine, Arabs and Jews, share authority in government in such a way that the essential interests of each are shared.”

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 25, 2018, 5:24 am

        Addendum

        @MHugehes976. There you go:
        ” Indeed, the British White Paper of June 1922 – the first document that officially clarified the interpretation of the Mandate’s text – pointed out that the Balfour Declaration does “not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded ‘in Palestine’”. Zionist consent to such interpretation was requested, and received, before the Mandate was confirmed in July 1922. In the words of Israel’s first President, Chaim Weizmann: “It was made clear to us that confirmation of the Mandate would be conditional on our acceptance of the policy as interpreted in the White Paper [of 1922], and my colleagues and I therefore had to accept it, which we did, though not without some qualms”.”
        https://www.aspeninstitute.it/aspenia-online/article/between-past-and-present-israel%E2%80%99s-internal-debates

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        September 27, 2018, 4:01 pm

        Thanks, Talkback, I hadn’t been aware of that Weizmann quote. But I think his implicit claim is that he believed in the original circumstances of the Declaration that Jewish statehood has bern promised. His papers contain the claim that Lloyd George and Balfour had confirmed this to him privately in June 1921. I found this is Sir Martin Gilbert’s not unbiased essay ‘An Overwhelmingly Jewish State’, which contains many interesting remarks from many sources. The headline comes from Churchill’s testimony to the Peel Commission – he said that this was what he had always expected the National Home to become. The Zionists did accept the idea that the NH did not have to extend to all Palestine. But Gilbert shows that the basic idea was that restrictions on Z ambitions were always conceived by them and by the British Christian Zs as essentially temporary pending mass Jewish immigration.
        Gilbert has an interesting quote from Churchill from the early days of the question that the Jews expected the Palestinians to be ‘cleared out for their convenience’. Churchill stopped saying that kind of thing shortly afterward. Gilbert considers that Churchill had become frightened of the Jewish activists in the Bolshevik cause and thought that Z would give them a preferable focus.
        I don’t think that the Zs ever bound themselves not to seek a Jewish state in Palestine, though they often used temporising language. In this the British government encouraged them. I just wish to emphasise our national shame in this.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 27, 2018, 5:12 pm

        @ MHughes976

        I think that they initially didn’t exclude the possibility that Jewish immigration could create a Jewish majority and therefore a Jewish state. But the 1939 White Paper changed everything. Jewish immigration was slowly brought to an end and the Land Transfers Regulations of 1940 restricted selling land to Jews to very restricted zones similar to the Peel Partition plan.
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Palestine_Index_to_Villages_and_Settlements%2C_showing_Land_in_Jewish_Possession_as_at_31.12.44.jpg

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        September 27, 2018, 5:27 pm

        Sorry, July 22, 1921!

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      September 23, 2018, 8:00 am

      BS ALERT!
      Israeli Politician On Ethiopian Jews: ‘Zionism Is Colorblind’

      Avraham Neguise (Likud) welcomes Israeli PM’s decision to greenlight immigration of 1,000 Ethiopians, but he and other advocates argue decision does not go far enough.

      By MAYA MARGIT/THE MEDIA LINE
      / September 23, 2018 08:29

      “The Israeli government’s decision to approve the immigration of hundreds of Ethiopian Jews will not solve the plight of thousands remaining in camps in dire conditions in the African country, an Israeli parliamentarian has said.

      Earlier this week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that 1,000 members of the Falash Mura community living in Ethiopia would be brought to Israel. Avraham Neguise, a member of Israeli parliament in the ruling Likud party who was himself born in Ethiopia, called it a “burning issue” for Ethiopian Jews, who number over 144,000 in Israel as of the end of 2016.

      “First of all, I welcome the prime minister’s decision, however it is not solving the problem because it is known that in [the cities of] Addis Ababa and Gondar 80 percent of [the community has] first-degree family members in Israel,” Neguise told The Media Line. “There are parents [living in Israel] who have sons and daughters in Ethiopia and they are not going to be reunited with their families following this decision. I wish the government would decide to bring all the rest of the community.”

      In 2015, the cabinet greenlit measures to bring the remainder of Ethiopia’s Jews, some 9,000 people, however the law has yet to be fully implemented. The name Falash Mura refers to members of Ethiopian Jewry who were either forcibly converted to Christianity or did so under pressure from Christian missionaries in the 19th and 20th centuries. The majority of the community currently resides in transit camps in the cities of Addis Ababa, Ethiopia’s capital, and Gondar – where they waited for years, sometimes even decades, to be approved for immigration to Israel.

      “This is a human issue, a Jewish issue, and Zionism is colorblind,” the lawmaker stressed. “Zionism [is not a question of] which community is cheaper to integrate and which is more expensive. Israel is the homeland of all Jewish people – poor or rich, educated or uneducated.” Right…

      I’m not inclined, again, to search for and post the hundreds of articles specifically about racism in israel toward Africans, African American jews and Ethiopian jews. Done it too many times, it is well-documented.

      This is a new one though, ‘Zionism’ is colorblind. It most definitely is not colorblind but I kind of believe judaism is (not the way it’s practiced of course, but in theory). This ziospeak must have Orwell spinning in his grave. UFB. They must seriously believe that everyone breathing oxygen and not ziogas must be as doped up and ignorant as they are.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 23, 2018, 11:56 am

        ‘Zionism Is Colorblind’

        And that’s exactly as it should be. Genetic markers are the only objective determinant! Variations in skin color make no difference, as long as you have blue genes.

  28. Eva Smagacz
    Eva Smagacz
    September 23, 2018, 4:39 am

    The Colonisation of Palestine was gathering speed by then – the Balfour Declaration just put it on steroids.

    Zionist organisations, which lobbied vehemently against Poland regaining independence after second world war, and aware that “ingathering” of Jews in Palestine will be a slow process, demanded religious, cultural and political autonomy in the newly reconstituted country. This was Copenhagen Manifest of November 1918, supported by American Jewish Congress in December 1918.

    This idea of “country within the country” was presented to newly constituted polish government, and later to Versailles Peace Conference of 1919.

    The concept of autonomy for Jewish minority of the extend unheard of in any other land nor granted to any other minority mirrored the separatist “iron wall” colonisation of Palestine, where natives were to be completely excluded, and political and economic life of colonising Zionists was to be completely separate from the law of the land.
    144/156

  29. Moral Jews
    Moral Jews
    September 24, 2018, 6:01 pm

    Raised as a Jew, the Holocaust permeated and tainted EVERYTHING in our family, our Synagogue, and indeed our entire lives, with fear, hatred and a perverse desire for vengeance. Every Gentile (a word of reproach) was regarded with fear and a measure of loathing. That is the truth.
    Yes! We lost relatives in WWII, yet OUR suffering was somehow more important than the MILLIONS of non-Jews who had died to defeat Hitler. I heard very little appreciation and admiration for the Gentile families in our world who had also lost loved ones. To be an American Jew meant to be separate, unconnected and suspicious.
    When Israel was born, all we heard was how we “deserved” the land of Palestine. There was absolutely NO discussion about the suffering and genocide against the Palestinians. Even when the word Palestine was mentioned, it was in the mindset and the description of the sub-human beings who stood in our way of conquest.
    Because of those pathological, vengeful and wicked acts, many thousands of children raised Jewish decided that Judaism was not salvageable…..that it was not worth the hatreds and fears that if fed on. And so we threw it off, like one discards a soiled and tattered garment, infested with fleas.
    If the highest manifestation and highest achievement of Judaism is a fear ridden, genocidal. racist Police State that is every bit as evil as Nazi Germany, it is NOT for People of Faith, Justice, Equality and Mercy. One does not have to be a Jew. It is a choice, not a destiny.

  30. Danaa
    Danaa
    September 25, 2018, 2:34 am

    I can probably confirm that the theme of vengeance permeates Israeli society so deeply that it cannot be rationally separated into layers. It’s there all the time, one undercurrent among many others, seamlessly connecting every persecution that was ever visited upon any Jews anywhere. The way this comes to pass is simple: imbue every study of history and every bible class with the recurrent tales of jewish suffering, colorfully illustrated and tied up with the larger history of whatever place, whatever bad thing happened to whatever jewish community.

    The suffering inflicted upon the jews is always presented as a direct result of their Jewishness. This idea is reinforced over and over with the notion that this persecution is foundationally irrational. What rationales may have existed anywhere for pogroms or for exiles or for ghettoization are usually brushed aside with a sentence or two, leaving behind an impression that for the goyim, persecuting jews and anti-semitic manifestations of antipathy towards jews, were all in a day’s work.

    As students go through the grades in Israel, the European history of the Jews, up to and including the Holocaust is tied together with the wars against Palestinians in Israel. The Jewish victims, like the jewish soldiers, wearing the white hats. Everyone else is black hat, with all the different tales – in their excruciating details – merging together until the boundaries between them dissolve in the mind’s eye.

    That’s how the natural desire for vengeance due to unjust persecution so easily transforms facelss nazis into Abaya clad Palestinians. To the observer outside israel, this may not always be obvious. Not even to jewish people who were steeped in stories of progroms in Poland and nazi Holocaust. Kossacks on horseback, booted Nazis, Catholic bishops in Castille leading Jews on their auto-da-fe, Romans laying siege to Massada and Keffiah wearing fedayeen attacking a Kibbutz, all meld together into a single tapestry.

    AS you study all that suffering, with all the gory imagery laid out several times over in the course of K-12 education, you grow a core of inexplicable hatred and desire for revenege that take residence in the deeper recesses of the heart. It is that core which allows israelis to have next to no compassion towards Palestinians.

    I lay the blame squarely at the feet of israel’s education system that is designed to instill just that kind of coldness towards others who are cast into the role of adversaries. Never mind the reasons for the adversity. It’s enough that they be painted as ones who’d do the jews harm, whether true or not. That is how young 18 year old people can shove an old woman down the stairs and terrorize children. That is how they can kill young men – and women – without batting an eyelash. Without the core of cold steel buried in the heart, they might shed a tear or two, and god forbid, hesitate.

    The loss of compassion born from deliberate shrinking of comprehension for the human condition is one of the great tragedies that happened to the Jewish people of israel (and by extension to many of their zionist sympathizers outside). Unfortunately for them all, the absence of empathy and respect for universal human rights is also how Judaism lost its soul, and became nazified.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      September 25, 2018, 10:49 am

      That’s very interesting, thanks. It basically confirms what I’ve always suspected – that Israelis (and to some extent ‘diaspora’ Jews as well) are indoctrinated to believe the world hates them (“irrationally” of course!) and that therefore, they owe nothing to anybody, ever.

      Obviously as you say the Palestinians are at the receiving end of the worst of this mentality, but I was just thinking, following the shooting down of the Russian jet, about how Israel never sees itself as bound by any agreements or considers that “alliances” exist to benefit both sides, not just itself. And this is a relatively mild example. Think of how it betrayed its Lebanese puppet militia after its defeat. Or the USS Liberty. Or its spying on the UK. Or perhaps worst of all, the original example of Israeli ingratitude – the murder of Count Folke Bernadotte, a man who had saved 10,000 Jews from the Nazis.

      It’s a pathological mindset. For Israel, nothing ever is, nothing CAN ever be – enough. And I guess if the entire Gentile universe hates you and wants you dead, that’s OK.

      The cult of aggressor victimhood. Pretty it is not.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 25, 2018, 11:19 am

        You could add selling weapons to the Argentinian junta that murdered 8000 Jews, Kastner sending trainloads of Hungarian Jews to death camps in return for a few passes to Palestine, the betrayal of the Gaza settlers and this

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LodLfrMckus

        Zionism is a sick ideology

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 25, 2018, 11:24 am

      Israel’s education system is the indoctrination mechanism for the IDF. It is the first thing that needs to be dismantled for peace whenever it becomes possible.

      US and European Jews do not speak Hebrew and aren’t indoctrinated as Israeli Jews are.
      Hannah Arendt saw the split coming.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 25, 2018, 11:45 am

        “US and European Jews do not speak Hebrew and aren’t indoctrinated as Israeli Jews are.”

        Maybe not, but most of them support Israel unconditionally and the more influential among them are taking steps to silence all criticism of Zionism and all solidarity with Palestinians – witness the hysteria about the Labour party in the UK.

        We hear that things are changing among the younger generation, but little evidence of it thus far. Obviously there are expections but they are just that – exceptions.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 25, 2018, 12:04 pm

        That is the Jewish elite AFAIK. Most UK Jews I have met are decent compared to Israelis. The test is Gaza. Gaza can reduce an Israeli Jew to a moron in less than 60 seconds
        Israël will never produce someone like Mark Knopfler. The feng Shui is all fucked up.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        September 25, 2018, 12:29 pm

        “That is the Jewish elite AFAIK.”

        Wishful thinking.

        “Most UK Jews I have met are decent compared to Israelis.”

        They may be ‘decent’ in most respects, but the majority if not vast majority are Zionists. Give them the choice between justice for the Palestinians and Jewish supremacism, and most of them will choose the latter. Would be nice if it were not true, but it is true.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 25, 2018, 1:53 pm

        They can’t be as rabid as Israelis because they don’t speak Hebrew which is the space where Palestinians are systematically dehumanized. And I bet adherence is generational. When Maureen Lipman and Margaret Hodge pass on the generation in its 20s will be less attached purely because they have been exposed to a very different Israel.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        September 26, 2018, 12:24 am

        “Israël will never produce someone like Mark Knopfler. The feng Shui is all fucked up.”

        Coffee running out of my nose with that one! israel can only mass produce brutes like ‘the shadow’ – meaningless, hateful drek that’s labeled rap or whatever the genre is for the chicken screecher who won eurovision. I read a long time ago, maybe 20 years, that a israeli ‘rapper’ claimed jews ‘invented rap’, but it had to have been a typo; the C is obviously missing.

  31. Marnie
    Marnie
    September 25, 2018, 1:02 pm

    “The Warsaw ghetto memoirs have helped me to understand the viciousness of the Israeli response to Palestinian resistance. The Jewish collective memory demanded a vengeful response to the Holocaust. The Nazis deserved some taste of what we had experienced at their hands. We were not able to achieve that satisfaction.”

    Hmm. The nazis deserved punishment, a taste of what jews experienced at their hands. I would think that world powers at that time were very aware of the desire for vengeance and maybe nervous considering they did nothing to stop the nazis in their attempts to liquidate the jews of europe. So they need a scapegoat to take all the hate and lust for vengeance, blood for blood, etc., because they sure as hell weren’t going to offer their necks. Palestine – that’s the ticket! We can’t have roving bands of jews on a mission threatening the white house, churchill or DeGaulle. Just wondering…

  32. tony greenstein
    tony greenstein
    September 30, 2018, 5:04 pm

    The Holocaust serves one purpose and one purpose only for Zionism. It is to legitimise what they do, even though they have always had contempt for the actual holocaust survivors. One must distinguish between those who died, called ‘sapon’ in Israel when they arrived, and the Holocaust as an ideological and political weapon.

    During the Holocaust itself the Zionist leaders were indifferent. At best they went through routine protests. They maintained no links with the ghettos, did not seek to publicise what was happening, on the contrary they downplayed the Holocaust to the point of denying it.

    Anyone in any doubt about this should read the Chapter ‘Disaster Means Strength’ on the Holocaust in Shabtai Teveth’s official biography of Ben Gurion, The Burning Ground. Zionism fought against any refuge for those fleeing which wasn’t Palestine.

  33. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    October 7, 2018, 11:38 pm

    A cynic might put it this way: When the Holocaust was used as a weapon against Weiss, he rejected it. But now that it is a weapon he can use against the Zionists, now finally he accepts it.

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