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The hypocrisy behind Zionist cries of ‘antisemitism’

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Alice Walker, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of “The Color Purple,” endorsed an antisemitic book by English conspiracy theorist David Icke last week in an interview for the New York Times. The recommendation to read Icke’s work, a repertoire that includes a belief of alien shape-shifting reptilians, seemingly went unnoticed until it was highlighted days later by Yair Rosenberg in the Tablet.

Walker has promoted Icke in the past, even favorably comparing him to Malcolm X. She made a more extensive plug of his work to the BBC just a few years ago similar to what happened in the Times. While many of her fans have expressed shock over learning of her admiration of Icke, it was not a secret and has been widely reported in past news cycles without the same level of fervor.

So why the headlines now? In part, this is a major flub for the Times as the U.S. paper of record. But also, there is a recurring theme in recent weeks where people of color on the left are being accused and in this case outed for antisemitism in such a way which seeks to paint it as some kind of underpinning of progressive politics. Or worse, house the problem of antisemitism in the black activist community instead of white nationalism.

The Women’s March organizers and Marc Lamont Hill have all come under fire in recent weeks though Walker stands apart for actually endorsing antisemitism.

Tablet’s reporting rejoins a faux narrative that it’s only a problem on the left.

Rosenberg’s article comes on the heels of far-right pundit Ben Shapiro’s stunt to invite newly-elected progressive congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to a “debate” on his show, a proposal she skillfully rejected. As well, it follows the recent foray against Marc Lamont Hill.

Shapiro’s Islamophobia is well documented, and he has even extended it to Ocasio-Cortez by scurrilously accusing her of antisemitism because of her connection to several leaders of the Women’s march who support the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign, even though Ocasio-Cortez has never made a position on BDS.

Indeed Ocasio-Cortez has not expressed a single antisemitic opinion, quite the contrary, and is being used by Shapiro to promote his anti-BDS, far-right agenda. Marc Lamont Hill is a committed anti-racist who has a record of speaking out against antisemitism.

These white supremacist, misogynist forces are enemies of Black and Brown people, Muslims, Indigenous groups, Jews, Women, immigrants, LGBTQI, Palestinians and other marginalized communities.

They continue a long tradition of cynically and opportunistically weaponizing claims of “antisemitism,” while promoting (or remaining silent about) Zionist collusion with antisemitic forces for the purpose of expansionism and resource acquisition, at the expense of the Indigenous Palestinians.

The Netanyahus

The contemporary Zionist collusion with antisemites and fascists runs deep and is orchestrated by those at the very top. In fact, Zionists and the current Netanyahu regime are some of the foremost contributors to antisemitism and fascism worldwide.

In addition to collaborating with – and covering for – fascistic/ antisemitic agendas and politicians in the Philippines, Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, and the United States among others, Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly blamed George Soros for different events in Israel and has shared fake news about the Jewish billionaire.

Netanyahu’s son, Yair, was banned by Facebook earlier this week due to a genocidal post, and was the subject of much controversy for sharing an explicitly antisemitic meme featuring George Soros in 2017. As a result, Yair was celebrated by the neo-Nazi outlet The Daily Stormer.

Zionists have always flirted with antisemites and fascists. It is now simply more obvious and shameless, likely inspired by the current global reactionary trend and unremitting permissiveness of the US to Israeli human rights violations, with Netanyahu the father openly revising the history of the Holocaust to serve his political needs.

Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism

The veteran Haaretz journalist Gideon Levy recently wrote yet another controversial piece, in which he stated his lack of sympathy for illegal Israeli settlers in the West Bank. The article sparked outrage, and some on social media called for the de-platforming of Levy from Haaretz.

Similar to all critics of Zionism and the state of Israel, Gideon Levy is excoriated as an “antisemite”, “self-hating-Jew”, “traitor” etc.

The hypocrisy inherent within these self-righteous cries is astounding.

These same voices were silent when Haaretz recently ran Daniel Pipes’ column, which called for a push for an “Israeli victory” as the “only way to end the conflict with the Palestinians”.

They were silent when Haaretz ran Gadi Taub’s embarrassing puff piece for antisemite/ fascist Steve Bannon.

And they were silent when Haaretz ran Petra Marquardt-Bigman’s smear of the Tamimi family.

In fact, there are many examples of pieces in the Liberal-Zionist Haaretz which support the rise of global neofascism, imperialism and Israeli ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Levy is among a few (e.g. Amira Hass is another) who serve to sanitize Amos Schocken’s Hasbara platform.

By colluding with antisemites worldwide and weaponizing the term “antisemitism” to inappropriately include anti-Zionism, Zionists have transformed a very real and ongoing threat to Jews into a political tool that serves their own settler colonialist goals.

It is time for all people of conscience, including Jews to hold Zionists accountable for their ongoing crimes against the Palestinian people. As part of this process, it is essential to prevent the cynical manipulation of anti-racism as a tool for dividing resistance and solidarity with the oppressed.

When antisemitism is weaponized opportunistically and strategically by Zionists and other white supremacists, it places all marginalized communities, including Jews, at risk.

Editor’s note, 5:45pm: updates were made to this post after publication. 

About Yoav Litvin

Yoav Litvin is a doctor of psychology/behavioral neuroscience, a documentary photographer and writer living in New York City. You can find him at yoavlitvin.com.

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  1. Marnie
    Marnie
    December 19, 2018, 9:15 am

    ‘Zionists have always flirted with antisemites and fascists. It is now simply more obvious and shameless, likely inspired by the current global reactionary trend and unremitting permissiveness of the US to Israeli human rights violations, with Netanyahu the father openly revising the history of the Holocaust to serve his political needs.’

    These folks seem like the types who helped their parents, wives, children or other disposable loved ones onto trains to save their own asses. Nothing new here.

    • festus
      festus
      December 21, 2018, 1:49 pm

      These folks believe there is a weird, organic, disease that generates among non Jews that causes non Jews to despise Jews wherever they turn up in any numbers. This is called anti-semitism.

      Stop enabling this delusion by caring what these folks call you. Stop pretending they are rooted in reality.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 21, 2018, 2:36 pm

        “These folks believe there is a weird, organic, disease that generates among non Jews that causes non Jews to despise Jews wherever”

        They don’t confine it to non-Jews. They are very certain Jews are susceptible to it, too!

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        December 21, 2018, 5:24 pm

        Festus,
        Your right. There is no such thing as anti-semitism.
        Sincerely,
        Richard Gottfried, 65, of Ross Township
        -Rose Mallinger, 97, of Squirrel Hill, City of Pittsburgh
        -Jerry Rabinowitz, 66, of Edgewood Borough
        -Cecil Rosenthal, 59, of Squirrel Hill, City of Pittsburgh
        -David Rosenthal, 54, (brother of Cecil), of Squirrel Hill
        -Bernice Simon, 84, of Wilkinsburg
        -Sylvan Simon, 86, (husband of Bernice), of Wilkinsburg
        -Daniel Stein, 71, of Squirrel Hill, City of Pittsburgh
        -Melvin Wax, 88, of Squirrel Hill, City of Pittsburgh
        -Irving Younger, 69, of Mt. Washington, City of Pittsburgh

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 21, 2018, 10:01 pm

        @ Jon66

        Festus did not say that there is no such thing as anti-Semitism, and you know that.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        December 22, 2018, 3:48 am

        @jon 66

        ‘Festus,
        Your right. There is no such thing as anti-semitism.’

        Twisting someone’s words to fit your narrative. What a pussy. Let’s see if I can give it a go –
        “I’m sorry ma’am, what can I say? Your husband/father/brother/son, etc., refused to fight against my mediocre medical skills and simply chose to die. You know and I know he signed a waiver before my ‘treatment’ agreeing that anything that happens to him as a result of my care at ths facility is the risk he willingly took and therefore can’t sue me. I know a fabulous mortuary service – mention my name and you’ll get an 18% discount! More if you’re a repeat customer, but you’ve got to say my name. You know the saying, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade”.

        Or what jon 66 and his compadres say when faced with facts, fuck facts!

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        December 22, 2018, 8:00 am

        jon 66 –

        “Your right. There is no such thing as anti-semitism.
        Sincerely,
        Richard Gottfried, 65, of Ross Township ……”

        What gives you the right to use the deaths of these people in the most lazy, shabby rebuttal of an non-issue on these pages? Shameful and completely dishonest.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        December 22, 2018, 1:04 pm

        Marnie,
        The dismissal of anti-semitism is at part a cause of these deaths. If we acknowledge the hatred we can work to address it.

      • eljay
        eljay
        December 22, 2018, 2:45 pm

        || Jon66: … The dismissal of anti-semitism is at part a cause of these deaths. If we acknowledge the hatred we can work to address it. ||

        The dismissal of Jewish supremacism is at part a cause of the deaths of Palestinians. If we acknowledge the injustice and immorality of the ideology and all the ugliness that stems from it we can work to address it.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 22, 2018, 9:11 pm

        Jon66, do you believe that there is a weird disease that afflicts non-Jews and causes non-Jews to despise Jews wherever they turn up in any numbers?

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        December 23, 2018, 9:34 am

        Don’t be coy jon 66 – you were responding directly to a post by festus which was completely not antisemitic – unless the definition is being changed again. You’re no better than a carnival barker using jewish deaths for a purpose that was a total fail.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        December 23, 2018, 10:36 am

        Roha/Marnie
        I don’t believe that such a disease as Festus posits does exist. I was responding to his snark that the calls of anti-s are BS. Like calling someone racist, there may be false accusations. But to dismiss it as nonsense is ridiculous.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        December 23, 2018, 9:08 pm

        Hasbara fail jon66. Go ahead though, keep trying to address the nonexistent problem on this thread. So much more important than addressing the virulent racism of zionist screwball ben shapiro.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        December 23, 2018, 9:58 pm

        @jon66
        “The dismissal of anti-semitism is at part a cause of these deaths. If we acknowledge the hatred we can work to address it.”

        I think you are correct in large part.

        When you are prepared to acknowledge the evil horrors zionism has inflicted upon innocent men, women and children by zionists and zionism then give me a call.

        Until then….
        I will be concerned that hate crimes occur. I will hope hate crimes cease. I will continue to view you as a supporter of human rights abuses, racism and violence who only whines when his own self interest is involved.

        you truly can’t claim to be a victim with the crap you have posted over the years. Humanity and rights doesn’t appear on your radar unless there is something in it for you.

        In the words of Frankie Howard, Up Pompeii. And up yours.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        December 24, 2018, 11:39 am

        There is a weird and violent mentality which has long existed and has never vanished and which is irrationally hostile to Jews while not including the slightest sympathy for Palestinians. Mr. Bowers of Pittsburgh exemplifies this mentality. I would deny that it exists as, or anything like, a serious political force in the US or the UK or Western Europe, meaning a force able to attract votes enough to worry established politicians and with leaders able to get significant opportunity to presen their views to the wider public via newspapers etc.. Bowers probably reduced the attractiveness of his views below their already low level.
        I see that many, even most, Jewish people that enough is never done to point out the errors of this mentality.

  2. Nancy Kricorian
    Nancy Kricorian
    December 19, 2018, 9:41 am

    The reason he wrote about Alice Walker NOW was because she recommended a book by an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist in the New York Times last week. So his response was TIMELY. We can denounce the cynical conflation of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, and still admit that Alice Walker is anti-Zionist AND anti-Semitic. See Roxane Gay’s tweet below.

    Tweet from writer Roxane Gay on December 17:
    Alice Walker has been anti-Semitic for years. I talk about it at my events when I talk about how much I appreciate Possessing the Secret of Joy.
    https://twitter.com/rgay/status/1074793515928846336

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      December 20, 2018, 1:04 pm

      It is a long time since I read Alice Walker’s The Color Purple, but from it I retain a positive image of her. One reason is that she had the courage to expose abuse within black families. Knowing also how common are false accusations of antisemitism, I approach the matter with skepticism. Apart from her anti-Zionism, I have found only two pieces of evidence cited in support of the accusation: (1) a poem in which she denounces the Talmud; and (2) her recommendation of Icke’s book.

      The poem is on her website at http://alicewalkersgarden.com/2017/11/it-is-our-frightful-duty-to-study-the-talmud/. Read it and form your own judgment. I do not find it antisemitic. It is anti-talmudic and (more broadly) anti-religious, which is fine by me. You can be against Judaism as a belief system without hating Jews, just as you can be against Islam without hating Moslems.

      She never expresses hatred of Jews as people: she talks of a Jewish friend (though she is disappointed in him), she has a high opinion of Jesus. Read her introduction to Miko Peled’s General’s Son and it should be clear that she does not hate Jews.

      Icke is a world-conspiracy theorist. His conspirators include Jews as well as Masons, Illuminati etc., but Jews are not at the center of the conspiracy. All other conspirators are controlled by the alien reptiles. So he is primarily an anti-reptilian rather than an anti-semite. It is of course unfortunate that Walker should recommend Icke. I suspect the problem lies in her ignorance of many aspects of world history, as revealed in her admission that she lacks the knowledge of German history needed to understand Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 20, 2018, 6:26 pm

        “he is primarily an anti-reptilian”

        Unconscionable bigotry!

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        December 21, 2018, 12:15 pm

        I agree with your take on her anti-Talmud poem. Fifty years ago it took a look of effort to understand Hitler’s Mein Kampf in its historical context, to see why he became so popular in post Weimar Germany. In the last two decades it is easy to grasp, the relevant information is readily available. Why does she not take the opportunity to study up and laugh publicly at the concept of alien reptiles? Just asking.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 21, 2018, 1:17 pm

        “Why does she not take the opportunity to study up and laugh publicly at the concept of alien reptiles?”

        Has their been recent research which disproves the concept of alien reptiles coming to earth and assuming human form?

      • James North
        James North
        December 21, 2018, 2:11 pm

        Mooser: Some of these reptiles may even appear in the Mondoweiss comment section from time to time, no?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 21, 2018, 9:53 pm

        “recent research which disproves the concept of alien reptiles coming to earth and assuming human form?”

        Only fake research, peddled by the reptiles to conceal their presence.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        December 22, 2018, 10:33 am

        A point about Alice Walker that had slipped my mind is that she married a Jew and has a daughter who considers herself both black and Jewish (and has written a book about it). So presumably she used to feel close to Jews and was influenced to some degree by Judaism. Perhaps this is why she decided to go more deeply into the sources and study the Talmud and the apologetic literature on the Talmud. And like many others, including myself, who read this literature for the first time she is shocked by many of the horrifying things that she finds there. And she expresses this shock in her poem. Why should she not?

      • catalan
        catalan
        December 22, 2018, 12:04 pm

        “she is shocked by many of the horrifying things that she finds there. “ Shenfield
        So Alice got shocked by reading the Talmud. So she needs to read some actual history. Like how in Hungary the peasant rebel leader was roasted alive with melted gold poured onto his head and made to be eaten by his brother and his comrades. Or a sobering read is what Croatians did during the war. Actual stuff rather than some religious books written in ignorant and dark times. Come to think of it, she should read about what black drug dealers do in Chicago black neighborhoods daily.

  3. bcg
    bcg
    December 19, 2018, 9:59 am

    Why complain about Israel’s human rights cesspool and not China’s or North Korea’s or Saudi Arabia’s or Yemen’s – why treat Israel ‘differently’? There are perfectly good reasons:

    Not many people feel that sending a letter to the Chinese embassy is going to have much effect, but Israel has shown numerous times that it cares about public opinion and is open to influence. And then there’s the particular responsibility we in the U.S. have for propping up Israel’s apartheid regime – we pay a big chunk of Israel’s defense budget. And quite a few of us who are Jewish actually feel that Israel has betrayed Jewish values.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      December 20, 2018, 9:54 am

      @beg, et al

      For the record:

      “…we pay a big chunk of Israel’s defense budget.”

      In fact, much, much, more than a “big chunk,” an incomprehensible sum.

      https://israelpalestinenews.org/media-ignore-largest-foreign-military-aid-package-in-us-history/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=59d03773-62f0-4b72-ad9e-ac7d1b3cf729

      “Media Ignore Largest Foreign Military Aid Package in US History” If Americans Knew Blog, Nov. 29/18 By Alison Weir
      EXCERPTS:
      “Congress is about to legislate the largest military aid package to a foreign country in U.S. history, but U.S. media aren’t telling the American public.”

      “In an astounding case of media negligence, U.S. news media are failing to tell Americans that Congress is about to enact legislation for the largest military aid package to a foreign country in U.S. history.

      “The package is $38 billion to Israel over the next ten years, which amounts to $7,230 per minute to Israel, or $120 per second, and equals about $23,000 for each Jewish Israeli family of four. A stack of 38 billion one-dollar bills would reach ten times higher than the International Space Station as it orbits the earth.”

      “And that’s the minimum – the amount of aid will likely go up in future years.”

      “The current legislation cements a version of that package into law – and this version is even more beneficial to Israel. Among other things, it makes the $38 billion a floor rather than a ceiling as the MOU had directed.”

      Also:
      “Congressional Research Service, U.S. Foreign aid to Israel, Jeremy M. Sharpe, Specialist in Middle East Affairs, April 10, 2018.”
      “Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $134.7 billion (current, or non inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. At a signing ceremony at the State Department on September 14, 2016, representatives of the U.S. and Israeli governments signed a new 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on military aid covering FY2019 to FY2028. Under the terms of the MOU, the United States pledges to provide $38 billion in military aid ($33 billion in Foreign Military Financing grants plus $5 billion in missile defense appropriations) to Israel. This MOU replaces a previous $30 billion 10-year agreement, which runs through FY2018.”

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-inside-the-evangelical-money-flowing-into-the-west-bank-1.6723443
      “Inside the Evangelical Money Flowing Into the West Bank”

      “A Haaretz investigation reveals that Christian groups have invested up to $65 million in projects in the ‘Biblical Heartland’ over the past decade. That doesn’t include services they provide free of charge, like volunteer laborers.” by Judy Maltz, Haaretz, Dec. 9/18

  4. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    December 19, 2018, 11:41 am

    To call Haaretz Amos Schocken’s Hasbara platform might play well here at mw. it is nonsense.

    Alice walker was in this weekend’s nyt. it is timely to attack her antisemitism. it is propaganda to confuse attacks on her and attacks on ocasio cortez.

    • Donald
      Donald
      December 19, 2018, 2:30 pm

      I agree that Alice Walker’s antisemitism is a timely subject. I was totally unaware of it until the furor over her recommendation of Icke.

      The cynicism comes in when people argue that all antizionists are antisemites. That’s false. But in some individual cases it’s true.

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 19, 2018, 3:33 pm

        “I agree that Alice Walker’s antisemitism is a timely subject”

        well of course lets all party like it’s 1939, it’s always Anti-semitism time. Sure Icke is crazy but you Americans can hardly be expected to tell, crazier than Rubio, Carson..Pence, I doubt it, as to Anti-semitic the guy has this royal family are lizard aliens thing, the most vicious and bloodthirsty of the reptilian pack was the Queen Mother, of blessed memory, …i know because some once told me never read him unlikely too, but yes Black American racism a timely reminder….they better watch what they say, read and associate with. Well done to the vigilant.

        Meanwhile Alice says:

        “I was asked, in writing, by the NYTs BY THE BOOK “What is on your nightstand?”

        I replied with the titles of the pile of books that were currently on mine; all of them in some state of read, to read, or unread. David Icke’s book, And the Truth Shall Set You Free was among them.

        (that’s it ?)

        I find Icke’s work to be very important to humanity’s conversation, especially at this time. I do not believe he is anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish. I do believe he is brave enough to ask the questions others fear to ask, and to speak his own understanding of the truth wherever it might lead. Many attempts have been made to censor and silence him. As a woman, and a person of color, as a writer who has been criticized and banned myself, I support his right to share his own thoughts. It is too late in the day of our planet not to consider everyone’s opinion on where we’ve gone wrong, and how we might survive, if we are to survive, in the years ahead.

        It is a sad day for freedom of inquiry, thought, and speech, when an attempt is made to frighten people into lying about what is on their nightstand. This, of course, will be the effect of this misguided and cowardly backlash. I say cowardly because I believe the attempt to smear David Icke, and by association, me, is really an effort to dampen the effect of our speaking out in support of the people of Palestine.

        I don’t know about Icke, but I am also a supporter of BDS (Boycotts, Divestment, Sanctions, now heavily under attack) as a just and justified means of ending Israeli occupation of Palestine, and ending the slaughter of Palestinians, especially children, which Israeli soldiers do with alarming frequency. I also come from a tradition of struggle in the Apartheid American South that demands my stepping up to my responsibility to wage “war” without violence. Pacifists have no option, really, but to make our resistance felt through non-compliance with injustice and brutality. By not supporting a system that endorses the slaughter of children, or the destroying of families and homes. The razing of crops. The taking of land. The imprisonment of poets. Etc.

        I read everything. I even tried once to read Mein Kampf but found it too steeped in German history to make sense. It also seemed pedantic and boring. But after hearing so much about it, I wanted to know what it said for myself. I’ve also taken a crack at the Koran. I’m not equating these two, simply noting that many people encounter them both with dread. Suppose these books had been in the pile of books on my nightstand? Was I to be so fearful of what people thought that I would deny I was attempting to read them? The same is true of reading the Talmud, or the Bible, for that matter. Some parts of both are extremely problematic, and contain programming – about how to live, think, behave – that has caused us more grief than we, poor beaten down humans, for the most part, deserve.

        What do I believe might save us, as humans, yet? It may sound absurd. Study. The ignorance of many humans, especially in our country, is abysmal. As a writer, a teacher, a mother, a lover of humans and animals, and trees, it is distressing beyond words to see how incensed humans can become over a sound bite, headline, or snappy tweet, that they don’t, even vaguely, understand.

        Everything you see, read, or hear, has a backstory. A history. A reason. And Icke, among many others, digs around in the past to try to find out what it is. Awareness is key and we are lucky that there are people, intelligent ones, who care enough to raise it. I say read everybody, read everything! Being mocked, called ridiculous names, and disinvited from events by people whose backbones turn to jelly the moment they realize they might be criticized for having you appear, is a small price to pay for continuing in solidarity with Ancestors who would not have you be any other way.

        And with all my love,
        Alice Walker

        http://alicewalkersgarden.com/

        hey how about asking her about her anti-semitism or has she already been anathematized?

      • annie
        annie
        December 20, 2018, 1:47 pm

        well of course lets all party like it’s 1939, it’s always Anti-semitism time.

        making me spit my coffee all over my keyboard. thank you so much for bringing alice’s response into this conversation.

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 19, 2018, 7:44 pm

        “hey how about asking her about her anti-semitism ”

        Why? On that subject she has said enough. Her friends ought to try to reason with her. But anyone who recommends the works of an obviously delusional man like Icke isn’t someone with good judgement. And that’s the most charitable thing one could say about her— she has poor judgement.

        “well of course lets all party like it’s 1939, it’s always Anti-semitism time. ”

        The fact that false charges are often made for cynical reasons doesn’t mean we should dismiss them when the antisemitism is real.

        Or you could embrace or rationalize or excuse the views of someone who refuses to have The Color Purple translated into Hebrew, endorses a guy who believes in lizard people, and trashes the Talmud the way Islamophobes trash the Koran. It would be terrible if the world was a complicated place, where bigotry could be found in all sorts of people and not just in the people you love to despise.

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 19, 2018, 11:19 pm

        “It would be terrible if the world was a complicated place, where bigotry could be found in all sorts of people and not just in the people you love to despise.”

        But you see Donald when you write that what leaps out at me is that you have no idea about the subject of Racism, it’s a field, there are social scientists working in it ..so when you write “where bigotry could be found in all sorts of people” in a society deeply stratified by race everybody, everybody is socialized into it, that’s Racism theory as it currently stands, we all have aversion to some and attraction to others based on various factors, racial ideas being a big one in the USA, black is the most despised “race”.

        So to the question of bigotry, in the actual study of racism one of the current talking points is that it is not about being a good or bad person it is about understanding the pervasive nature of Racism in say American culture, and how that informs peoples actions colours their perceptions and can lead to oppressive practises….

        In America currently segregation by race, in terms of schooling, housing, is about where it was pre-civil rights act, the wealth gap by race is worse than in the 60’s, as you said timely to point to black “racists” and “anti-semites”, also timely to have a discussion of anti-semitism as the Great March continues as BDS is attacked, as the false Zionist narrative collapses. Timely indeed.

        “The fact that false charges are often made for cynical reasons doesn’t mean we should dismiss them when the antisemitism is real.”

        ok, why is Orban treated so differently to Walker? also sure yes i already knew that and am correcting for it.

        “On that subject she has said enough” I have no idea what she has said, can you not point to an anti-semitic statement of hers (the whole thing not someones outraged denunciation), you do of course know that racism, like imperialism, is not incidents or utterances but a whole system of dehumanization and scrutiny and control, backed by dehumanizing ideas that permeate a culture and are thus invisible unless challenged according to current ideas, there is no “reverse racism”

        “Her friends ought to try to reason with her” why? has she lost her reason, well how like a woman, they don’t have mathematical brains you know..maybe she should be restrained, that was fucking clumsy and one has to say revealing.

        ” But anyone who recommends the works of an obviously delusional man like Icke isn’t someone with good judgement” Do you know any writers do you understand the culture of literary people, would it be beneath you to address what she says specifically, writers don’t read to be indoctrinated

        “And that’s the most charitable thing one could say about her— she has poor judgement”

        well she’s only a black woman in America, of course she does, I have to say your tone does you little favours, but it’s always nice to find a bad Arab, Assad say, or a bad Black person like Alice Walker to vent your unexamined prejudices on…do you think Alice ever experienced racism, do you think that’s relevant, might have a little knowledge on that subject not , of course, at the level of understanding of a white American man, so can you point me to evidence of her antisemitism? anything i could read, not someone else’s outrage.

        “and trashes the Talmud the way Islamophobes trash the Koran”

        “Islamophobes” ..trash the Quran? have you seen American Movies, TV, print media it’s not only a few Islamophobes, go to the Islam section of your local bookshop see if any other religion has so many texts both demeaning it and assessing its threat to all that is good. America is currently killing Muslims in vast numbers and destroying their lands for generations to come, full of radioactive debris, you been following the birth defect epidemic in Iraq? Timely is right. What is the threat that Alice walker poses and to whom?

        Too much to expect that you will examine your aversive feelings towards Arabs, Palestinians, islam and Black people? maybe check out the academic study of racism? why not then you won’t write

        “It would be terrible if the world was a complicated place, where bigotry could be found in all sorts of people and not just in the people you love to despise”

        which just make you look ignorant, you’ve never even considered looking into it?

        Anyway i was involved with DYR at the initial stages so maybe that makes me a very bad anti-semitic simplistic uncultured Arab Muslim person, stands to reason when you check it out.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 19, 2018, 11:33 pm

        Gamal, the important question is, “Are they Jewish alien lizard people?”

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 19, 2018, 11:40 pm

        “hey how about asking her about her anti-semitism ”

        Why? On that subject she has said enough.

        What has she actually said? I don’t know much about her.

        and trashes the Talmud the way Islamophobes trash the Koran.

        Why is it wrong to trash the Talmud and the Qur’an?

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 20, 2018, 1:18 pm

        “But you see Donald when you write that what leaps out at me is that you have no idea about the subject of Racism, it’s a field, there are social scientists working in it ..so when you write… ”

        I’ve seen some of it. Very far from an expert, of course.

        The point is not that Walker is one of history’s greatest monsters. She is someone, like Icke, who is apparently a nut and in their case unfortunately it involves Jews and in his case lizard people. I think she is making a fool of herself, but no, she is not doing the sort of harm that mainstream bigotry against Muslims does. And yes, I know this extends far beyond the people who write the Islamophobic books.

        Still, when someone identifies an actual case of antisemitism then it is best to call it out if there is some truth to it. Sometimes there is.

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 20, 2018, 1:50 pm
      • gamal
        gamal
        December 20, 2018, 3:21 pm

        “thank you so much for bringing alice’s response into this conversation”

        She should be heard and what she says should be addressed, isn’t that how things work in this perfect world.

        Annie you know you make me blush, now I am going to have to go outside and jump up and down till my gravitas returns.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        December 20, 2018, 3:45 pm

        Gamal: “Her friends ought to try to reason with her” why? has she lost her reason, well how like a woman, they don’t have mathematical brains you know..maybe she should be restrained, that was fucking clumsy and one has to say revealing.

        We all have unreasonable beliefs. That does not mean we have lost our reason. It means we are human. A friend (or even a non-friend) who tries to free us of our unreasonable beliefs by reasoning with us is doing us a favor. Here you are baselessly attributing disreputable views to Donald, just as you have done to me. You have no right to do so. No one has.

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 20, 2018, 4:19 pm

        Stephen—

        Thanks. I just ignored that. It doesn’t matter that Walker is a woman. It matters that she endorsed a book by an antisemitic believer in lizard men conspiracies. If I did that I would hope my friends would pull me aside and gently point out the problems.
        They could start with the fact that Icke believes in lizard men and then move on to the antisemitism. Or vice versa.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 20, 2018, 4:46 pm

        Gamal, the important question is, “Are they Jewish alien lizard people?”

        “Jewish alien lizard people”? I can’t see it, lizards aren’t kosher!”
        Of course people aren’t kosher either, probably because we eat animals slain in anger and pie.

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 20, 2018, 5:39 pm

        “We all have unreasonable beliefs”

        Stephen those are just platitudes, what you seem to be implying, other than that I am an idiot, is that in a discussion about Racism

        “Stephen—

        Thanks. I just ignored that. It doesn’t matter that Walker is a woman”

        The fact that you are speaking as White American Man, he can’t even write black, has no bearing on how you address a black American woman, can you tell me why that is.

        It does matter that she is a woman and black, in any examination of racism in any context whatsoever, and of course we’re all jerks too sure so what.

        There is a literal industry producing anti-Arab and anti-Islamic rhetoric, images, stories it is pervasive and constant and is used as the basis for slaughter, war and conquest, in terms of Black Americans there is an industry, the whole entertainment and news industry that portrays them in such a way as to rationalize their exclusion, incarceration, immeseration and murder,

        so the fact that we are discussing book recommendations and a reading of the torah …and denigrating a rather well known writer as some worthless confused loathsome package in our quest to counter Racism you know , it matters,Stephen, this whoel discussion is utterly misconcieved, it’s just a pile of shit why do i have to discuss it and you are not going to put me on the defensive with childish platitudes, can’t you do the basics yourself and then get back to me without explaining something though obvious totally irrelevant

        both of you giving a classic performance of white fragility, come on man up boys.

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 20, 2018, 5:45 pm

        ” “Jewish alien lizard people”? I can’t see it,”

        Have you never Sedered with a Shinisauridae ? (Two beats and in comes the organ)

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 20, 2018, 6:35 pm

        “It matters that she endorsed a book by an antisemitic believer in lizard men conspiracies.”

        What was this endorsement?

        Did she say “This book is worth reading. It will shake up your ideas of how things work”?
        Did she say “I believe Icke’s story about the lizard people”?
        Did she say “Hooray! Someone who shares my ideas about Jews”?

        What, precisely, did she endorse? I really don’t know.

        (Admittedly, I don’t think she is important, either.)

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 20, 2018, 6:37 pm

        Mooser, I don’t keep kosher, of course, but it may comfort you to know that I have never eaten a pie slain in anger.

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 20, 2018, 8:10 pm

        “The fact that you are speaking as White American Man, he can’t even write black, has no bearing on how you address a black American woman, can you tell me why that is.”

        It’s irrelevant. If I had called her a black American woman you know perfectly well you would have made an issue of that instead. It didn’t matter what phrasing I used. If I had said black it would show my racism. If I didn’t say black it shows my racism. By being a White American Man who disagrees with you I show my racism.

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 20, 2018, 8:33 pm

        Also, Gamal, you are the one who has taken the criticism of one particular individual’s bizarre beliefs and made this into a more general issue involving women’s mathematical or logical abilities or about black American women. So apparently whether we respect women in general or black American women or whatever group you choose all hinges on what we think of Alice Walker’s beliefs about Jews and lizard people.

        Or maybe what we believe about the lizard people determines what we think about White American Men as you call them. Social science is very confusing.

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 20, 2018, 9:52 pm

        ” you are the one who has taken the criticism of one particular individual’s bizarre beliefs and made this into a more general issue involving women’s mathematical or logical abilities or about black American women”

        “criticism” by which you mean levelling the accusation that she is a “bigot”, anti-semite, which is a “timely reminder” of what?

        you keep saying criticism but can’t articulate it, can’t address anything put you, and in America I am making it about race and gender? and you are concerned about anti-semitism..? in a black woman…an individual? but a timely reminder of what then, that some people do things we feel the need to loudly condemn…because anyone can be jerk? so you not read anything whatsoever on the subject? why would you need to.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        December 20, 2018, 10:04 pm

        Roha,
        She said,
        “ I find Icke’s work to be very important to humanity’s conversation, especially at this time. “
        That sounds like an endorsement.

        As for me, I am shocked-shocked to find anti-semitism in the anti-Zionist crowd.

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 20, 2018, 10:13 pm

        “It’s irrelevant. If I had called her a black American woman you know perfectly well you would have made an issue of that instead. ”

        so again when talking about race you assert her colour is irrelevant,

        ” you know perfectly well you would have made an issue of that instead. ” ” Do I? How do you know that, again this is called the colour blind fallacy, I don’t see colour, bullshit, that you a man growing up in America are not aware of that at this particular moment in history is in its own way impressive, in America colour always matters, is always the issue, in those circles concerned with the subject of racism.

        I mean shit why is it men who are happy to throw out allsorts of vicious accusations throw a tantrum when put on the spot, you don’t know very much about the things that engender your outbursts, like Syria but are full of you know

        “The best lack all conviction, while the worst
        Are full of passionate intensity”

        also “you would have made an issue” how do you know i know that i would do that….what do you know about people like me? what motive are you imputing to me? why not just deal with what is put to you “I ignored that” why? its irrelevant to what? you don’t have anything and not even the honour to admit that. No point in pretending you have established anything to support your vicious accusations against Alice Walker, you free to do so, in your own words anytime, with the relevant quotes in place, also good if you explained why it is important and what threat it constitutes and to whom….unless you are what you appear to be that is

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 21, 2018, 9:00 am

        Gamal, I know how you argue from long experience. And not just with me. As for Walker, no, I am not going to be your trained monkey, look up quotes and supply them when it is easy enough for you to find articles about Walker’s history. Simply endorsing Icke is already enough to show that at best her judgement stinks.

        But by all means stick to your usual habit and force the issue to fit inside your ideological comfort zone.

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 21, 2018, 1:11 pm

        “But by all means stick to your usual habit and force the issue to fit inside your ideological comfort zone”

        I know look at me in my ideological binders, but you know one of the most striking things about you is your lack of competence I wouldn’t usually do this but let me show you how you should have started your reply to Yonah if you were even minimally genuine.

        ” Thanks for that Yonah, of course Alice Walker that longtime favourite of many racist white people is now giving comfort to AS”

        Didn’t you know that Alice Walker was a favourite of the Racist right for many years? why not?

        Buts that right I don’t get the complexity that we are all jerks and you don’t know shit about the shit you scream about. It’s the American way.

      • Donald
        Donald
        December 21, 2018, 2:24 pm

        This is pretty much why I have cut way back on my internet arguing, gamal. I don’t know that much about most subjects and when I do comment on something that is fairly straightforward, as I did here, somebody with an axe to grind will start a ridiculous argument as you did here. Walker has taken a stupid indefensible position and you predictably react in a kneejerk fashion whenever you perceive someone white criticize someone who isn’t and you make it about that.

        This thread was a complete waste of my time, except to explain why I generally don’t bother responding to most of your comments when you attack.

        I’m done. No more wasting time on your nonsense.

      • Keith
        Keith
        December 21, 2018, 4:51 pm

        GAMAL- “well of course lets all party like it’s 1939, it’s always Anti-semitism time.”

        What should be obvious to anyone with eyes open is that Alice Walker’s support for BDS and Palestinian rights has resulted in the Zionist attack squad examining everything Walker writes/says in order to find examples, taken out of context and not reflective of her whole body of work, etc, to provide a spurious justification for labeling Walker an anti-Semite or fellow traveler, therefore, not worthy of consideration due to the labeling. This is yet another example of charges of anti-Semitism being used to silence critics of Israel and Zionism. Anyone who gives aid and comfort to these Zionists and these never-ending charges of anti-Semitism should be ashamed of themselves.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 21, 2018, 5:12 pm

        This is pretty much why I have cut way back on my internet arguing, gamal…/…I’m done. No more wasting time on your nonsense.” “Donald”

        And with that peroration, your silence on a thread will speak even more eloquently than your comments. Is that an advantage you want to lose?

      • gamal
        gamal
        December 21, 2018, 6:11 pm

        “I’m done. No more wasting time on your nonsense”

        yes sure i wonder there are a few things you might like to consider while dismissing my nonsense, i’ll make it multiple choice

        I am the child of a white woman and a black man who married in early 50’s England and moved to the wind of change colonies where i was born do you

        A) think that i have never experienced racism

        B) have occasionally experienced it, when people’s behavior has fallen below the accepted standard.

        C) or that it has constituted an element of my experience pretty much every second of every minute of every day since I became conscious.

        Are you not aware of the huge psychic burden you impose on people at the sharp end of racism by your combination of denialism and accusation, seriously are you not aware of the huge weight both Palestinians and Black people have to carry because when challenged suddenly you become the victim….Dr. DiAngelo is waiting…

        from the first time i was alone with official English people, the very first engagement, southmead school we were visiting for some months and i was sent to school, it went as follows

        We have a new boy etc whats your name gave my name its easy to say little confusion up to the board to write it, i was i guess 9 in 60’s, I knew something was up,

        So then teacher asked tell me G are you white or black, i had no idea, but was a attentive and acute kid and i realised i don’t have a clue what is going on and guessed since everybody else was white what the right answer might be but i just prevaricate, because she was bursting to say something and so she asked

        who were those people who came with to school this morning, my mother and father, well in that case G you are black.

        So do

        A) think that i have over the years built an acute sense of the operation of this ideology.

        B) should have to have shit explained to me by white ‘liberal’ Zionists

        C) should share some insights from my profound and longstanding personal engagement with these issues, which I had to tackle as a matter of psychic survival.

        but i should shut the fuck up, because you are upset and it’s all pointless because we are all jerks, when not blinded by..sure you alone see

        you are the victim, is it Jane Elliot and blue eye brown eye experiment, probably I shouldn’t say.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        December 22, 2018, 4:03 am

        Things have gone way too far when what’s on someone’s bookshelf is a clutch the pearls she’s/he’s antisemitic! To suggest her friends should have pointed it out to her is so arrogant; it brings to mind the article on these pages about netanyahoo v angela merkel and germany’s obeisance to the zionist state not quite up to snuff. We need us some thought police and quick smart! These folks aren’t stupid, they’ll catch on and hide their reading material and stop giving interviews!
        Daaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 22, 2018, 9:03 pm

        She said,
        “ I find Icke’s work to be very important to humanity’s conversation, especially at this time.”
        That sounds like an endorsement.

        It sounds to me as though she thought the work was important. It doesn’t imply that she agrees with any of it.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 22, 2018, 9:04 pm

        As for me, I am shocked-shocked to find anti-semitism in the anti-Zionist crowd.

        Why shocked? You Zionists find anti-Semitism everywhere. You should be used to it by now.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      December 20, 2018, 10:10 am

      @wondering jew

      For the record:

      Let’s not forget that Theodore Herzl considered anti-Semitism to be an asset for Zionism:
      “Anti-Semitism has grown and continues to grow – and so do I.” (Herzl, The Complete Diaries, (Vol. 1, p. 7)

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      December 21, 2018, 9:40 pm

      Can I just ask why this Alice Walker person is important enough to care about?

      • Keith
        Keith
        December 22, 2018, 12:27 am

        ROHA- “Can I just ask why this Alice Walker person is important enough to care about?”

        Because she wrote “The Color Purple” and is intelligent and articulate and defends the Palestinians and BDS and therefore must be labeled an anti-Semite.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 22, 2018, 1:43 pm

        “Because she wrote “The Color Purple”

        “RoHa”, just in case you aren’t fully hip to American culture , that was a very controversial biography of singer and performer Prince.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 22, 2018, 8:58 pm

        And this book was sufficient to make her an important literary figure in the US?

        Anyone who is intelligent, articulate, and a defender of Palestinian rights will be called an anti-Semite, but for it to be a public matter that person has to be regarded as important.

        (I recall reading a line or two about a film with that title. Sounded very boring, so I made no attempt to see it.)

  5. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    December 19, 2018, 1:24 pm

    Israeli and US Israel Firster Zionists have travelled so far up their own posteriors that they are now completly blind to the concept of overkill as in large numbers of people certainly including here in the UK IMHO are becoming totally pissed off with the constant crying wolf moanings and whinges of Antisemitism,AntiSemitic etc sob sob yawn yawn. It has also comfortably reached the threshold of hilarity as in Jews accusing other Jews of being AntiSemitic. As for the Anti Zionist/AntiSemitic conflation ruse totally desperate ,pathetic and yes absolutely Monty Python standard hilarious.
    Can`t wait for the Israel Lobby US version of the BDS Spanish Inquisition to fully unfold and fully unravel.

    In the meantime will just have to put up with the endless stream of Hasbara garbage being spewed out by the MSM here and in the US.

    What does surprise me is that other cults/religions haven`t as yet jumped on the bandwagon eg Anti Catholicism , Anti Presbyterianism , Anti Baptistism, Anti Hinduism , Anti Buddhism , Anti Seventh Day Adventism. The lists and the opportunities are endless unless of course Zios have taken out some sort of international patent or trademark on the use of the term Anti – ism ?

    • bcg
      bcg
      December 19, 2018, 2:55 pm

      This trope of anti-semitic Jews (aka self-hating Jews) always seemed peculiar/funny/weird to me, so I decided to see where it comes from –

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

      The origins of terms such as “Jewish self-hatred” lie in the mid-nineteenth century feuding between German Orthodox Jews of the Breslau seminary and Reform Jews.[8] Each side accused the other of betraying Jewish identity,[2] the Orthodox Jews accusing the Reform Jews of identifying more closely with German Protestantism and German nationalism than with Judaism.[8]

      According to Amos Elon, during 19th-century German-Jewish assimilation, conflicting pressures on sensitive and privileged or gifted young Jews produced “a reaction later known as ‘Jewish self-hatred.’ Its roots were not simply professional or political but emotional.”[14] Elon uses the term “Jewish self-hatred” synonymously with Jewish antisemitism when he points out, “One of the most prominent Austrian anti-Semites was Otto Weininger a brilliant young Jew” who “published ‘Sex and Character’, attacking Jews and women.” Elon attributes Jewish antisemitism as a cause in the overall growth of antisemitism when he says,”(Weininger’s) book inspired the typical Viennese adage that anti-Semitism did not really get serious until it was taken up by Jews.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 19, 2018, 3:28 pm

        “so I decided to see where it comes from “

        No introduction to the dynamics of “Jewish self-hatred” is complete without a reading of “Hophmi’s” seminal essay (or premature expostulation): “The Phil’s Will Fall Away” (linked) in which “Hophmi” traces and diagnoses Jewish self-hatred in Phil Weiss’s family and Jewish history.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        December 22, 2018, 4:11 am

        “The Phil’s Will Fall Away” – a truly seismic, explosive seminal work that brings the reader to the tip of the vesicle and, exhausting as it was, feeling not quite satiated. Am waiting with gated breath more pedantic postulations, premature and fully bloomed, regarding the Philish problem.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 22, 2018, 1:36 pm

        “Hophmi’s” ringing peroration in “The Phils Will Fall Away” tracing the etiology of self-hatred through the Weiss family will be read, and revered as a model by generations of Zionauts yet to come:

        “Self-hatred is a disease. It is a sad disease borne of many generations of persecution, but it is a disease. And Phil is afflicted with it, as many Jews have been in the past. And it is usually the self-haters who cause the worst damage to the Jewish community, precisely because of how small it is.” “Hophmi”

        Not this kind of vicious religio-political backbiting will make it any smaller, of course, or cause any damage.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      December 19, 2018, 3:46 pm

      “What does surprise me is that other cults/religions haven`t as yet jumped on the bandwagon.”

      No, establishment Zionist Judaism seems to me to have jumped on the white nationalism bandwagon. You can depend upon it:
      ‘As goes the Right, so goes the allrightnik.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      December 20, 2018, 3:34 pm

      In fact, such phenomena are not that difficult to find. Catholic sources often attribute rational criticism of Catholic dogmas and practices to ‘anti-Catholic’ bigotry. Hindu sources often attribute rational criticism of Hindu beliefs and practices (e.g. caste) to ‘anti-Hindu’ bias. I readily admit that in scope, volume and every other respect the barrage against ‘anti-Semitism’ beats them all.

  6. Kay24
    Kay24
    December 19, 2018, 5:50 pm

    Netanyahu’s son is an arrogant scoundrel. The apple does not fall far from the tree. He is only regurgitating wha he must have been hearing around him when growing up. I suppose he is as dishonest as both his parents too.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      December 22, 2018, 4:16 am

      He sure is Kay24; rumor has it with the next update of Dictionary.com, a photo of that ‘pious little shit’ will stand in as the definition of SOB and arrogant scoundrel.

  7. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    December 20, 2018, 9:41 am

    What a contemptible, decrepit, degenerate, rotting society our Western ‘cultured’ society is becoming. Smearing people for the religious beliefs, profanities, crudeness, lies… Is this what our ‘values’ are all about?

  8. Misterioso
    Misterioso
    December 20, 2018, 10:22 am

    For the record:

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-propaganda-trips-target-pacific-progressive-leaders-no-one-will-say-whos-going/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=58334a0a-fb6f-4798-8e65-096c1b414444

    “‘Israel propaganda trips target ‘Pacific Progressive Leaders’ – no one will say who’s going” If Americans Knew Blog, Dec. 8/18

    EXCERPT: “An $85 million Israel advocacy organization is taking local American officials identified as ‘progressive’ on propaganda trips to Israel. While no one will divulge the rosters, we have a few names of California participants in these extravagant, influence peddling affairs.” By Alison Weir

    “An Israel lobby organization is taking ‘Pacific Northwest Progressive Leaders’ to Israel this week on an all expense-paid propaganda trip to Israel. Another group just returned on December 2nd from a similar trip, officially billed as an ‘Educational Seminar in Israel for Southern Pacific Progressive Leaders.’ No one will divulge the rosters.

    “The sponsoring organization is the American Israel Education Foundation (AIEF), a tax-exempt organization that serves as an arm of the powerful Israel lobbying organization AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee).

    “Roll Call reports that AIPAC and AIEF ‘share leaders, employees and money.’ They also share the same address and phone number.

    “AIPAC used to sponsor such tours itself until it became illegal for lobbying organizations to organize these. AIPAC’s ‘charitable’ arm, the American Israel Education Foundation (AIEF), then took up the practice. While such trips are now “legal,” they appear to violate the spirit of the law.

    “Craig Holman of the watchdog group Public Citizen told Roll Call: ‘The purpose of the 2007 travel restrictions was to remove these types of sponsored trips. Most of these trips tend to be nothing but an extension of lobbying. ‘Unfortunately,’ Holman explains, ‘when it came to negotiating the travel rules regarding privately funding trips, a huge gaping loophole was written in to exempt non profits. … I call it the ‘AIPAC loophole.’”

    “Israel advocacy organizations have exploited this loophole intensively.”

  9. catalan
    catalan
    December 21, 2018, 4:45 pm

    I don’t see the problem if Alice Walker does not like Judiaism, or even people of that background. Why does evyeone have to like everyone else? Isn’t it human to have antipathies? It’s hard for me to like everyone equally. And if I don’t care for a particular belief system, or it’s adherents what’s wrong with stating it? It doesn’t mean I want them killed. I say if Alice doesn’t like me or my culture more power to her.

    • catalan
      catalan
      December 21, 2018, 8:06 pm

      “Now that “catalan” has gotten his “Ancestry.com” results, he knows where he stands.” Mooser
      Thank you mooser that’s kind of my point. I mean the way I feel about you, let’s just say it’s not love. So why would I require of Alice Walker to like all Jews. It’s normal to dislike things and even intensely so. I mean the two of us are both Jewish and probably neither of us would be too sad if the other went to a concentration camp.

  10. Mooser
    Mooser
    December 21, 2018, 5:35 pm

    “I say if Alice doesn’t like me or my culture more power to her.”

    “doesn’t like me or my culture”

    Now that “catalan” has gotten his “Ancestry.com” results, he knows where he stands.

  11. LarryDerfner
    LarryDerfner
    December 22, 2018, 12:29 am

    Here is another op-ed that ran in Haaretz, “Amos Schocken’s Hasbara platform.” It is entitled “Only International Pressure Will End Israeli Apartheid.” It was written by Amos Schocken. https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-only-international-pressure-will-end-israeli-apartheid-1.5394041
    Gideon Levy and Amira Hass are not the exceptions to the rule that “sanitize” Haaretz; they’re much closer to the rule, which is borne out every day by an array of articles, notably the editorial. It is the right-wing pieces mentioned by Litvin which are the exceptions to the rule. Just a couple of days ago there was an op-ed by Kobi Niv titled “Shooting At Soldiers of Occupation Is Legitimate.” https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/shooting-at-soldiers-of-occupation-is-legitimate-1.6766115
    Some Hasbara platform. Disclosure: I am a copy editor at Haaretz.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      December 22, 2018, 8:37 pm

      “It is the right-wing pieces mentioned by Litvin which are the exceptions to the rule.”

      That’s the stuff which ‘sanitizes’ Haaretz?

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