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Michelle Goldberg of the New York Times said that the “taboo” on speaking out on Israel is real, and many progressives feel they will suffer professional consequences for doing so. “I feel it is very difficult to speak rationally and forthrightly about real human rights abuses in the West Bank,” she said.

Goldberg also said that the base of the Democratic Party supports Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) in line with two congresswomen, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar, that’s “a lot of the future of the party,” and the left is noticing the pattern of attacks by the Jewish community on African American women over Israel and seeing the attacks as in bad faith.

The columnist spoke last night in New York at the Streicker Center of Temple Emanu El in a panel on “Across the Divide: Speaking Candidly and Constructively About Israel.” Goldberg was the only true liberal on the panel regarding Israel. Former Ambassador Daniel Shapiro, Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL, Mona Charen and Michael Doran (the only non-Jew on the panel) were all boosters of the Israeli government and its policies, albeit with mild criticisms of the settlement project. No declared non-Zionists or anti-Zionists or Palestinians to be seen! Though Goldberg stood up for IfNotNow.

The discussion is on video here. Goldberg began by explaining that Israel’s rationale for its future has no traction on the left.

It is very hard to explain to an American liberal, particularly someone who is on the left and young that basically the Palestinians should be denied their right to self-determination in perpetuity because otherwise it would threaten the demographic interest of the Jewish people. I don’t think leftists would accept that argument about any other people. I actually don’t think liberals would make that argument about any other people…

Then she responded to Daniel Shapiro’s assertion that only a “tiny minority” of the Democratic Party is for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions.

As you said, there are only two members of Congress who have come out for BDS– but that is where a lot of the base of the party is. That’s where a lot of the future of the party is…. Although right now you see Eliot Engel an old line Democrat with conventional foreign policy views doesn’t want Rashida Tlaib to lead a congressional delegation to Palestine, I think that Rashida Tlaib’s and Ilhan Omar’s views about where our sympathies should lie in the region are probably ascendant.

Greenblatt asked Goldberg why “anti-Zionism catalyzes anti-semitism.” Why does “a liberal crowd that identifies with human rights and the oppressed so often resort to anti-semitic tropes when they talk about Israel”?

She refused to take the bait.

We fundamentally disagree on whether anti-Zionism and anti-semitism are the same thing, right, so I’m just not going to concede that that’s necessarily antisemitic. Though I would not defend Ilhan Omar’s tweet [of 2012 saying “Israel hypnotizes the world”] which I don’t thinks she is defending any more either; she apologized for it– there is leftwing anti-semitism. It’s been a constant, I think it’s more a problem for example in the UK than it is here, but it’s absolutely there. You see it in the controversy over the women’s march.

I do think and I know from conversations– because a lot of people on the left, particularly there’s been a series of attacks or controversies involving Israel and various African American women, some of whom have come under attack for just opposing Israeli policy, some of whom who have come under attack for actually anti-semitic rhetoric– when people feel as if the attacks on people who are critical of Israel are sort of unfair and in bad faith, it makes it harder for somebody like me to say, You know, yeah, those attacks are bullshit, but you can’t use words like hypnotize the world. Or to say to somebody like the leaders of the women’s march. You know, Yes, some of the attacks on Linda Sarsour have been outrageous and that doesn’t mean that it’s anyway OK or defensible for you to be associating with Louis Farrakhan.

So I do think that because people feel as if there are a lot of bad faith, baseless attacks on people for being critical of Israel it makes them less willing to hear or be sensitive to critiques about where you come up to the line.

Goldberg then said that people do fear speaking out about Israel lest they suffer career damage:

So one of my colleagues Michelle Alexander recently wrote a piece that I’m sure a lot of you didn’t like, but the feeling that she described in the piece– I know that a lot of people rolled their eyes and said, ‘What, it’s new to be speaking out against Israel, it’s new to be criticizing Israel in pages of the New York Times?’ — I will assure you that the feeling she had, of, I have these doubts, these reservations, what they’re doing seems horrible to me, I feel like I can’t speak out without suffering professional consequences–that is very present for a lot of people. That taboo is real. The taboo creates a kind of countervailing sense of hidden truths. Right? That we’re going to speak out and we’re going to be brave and we’re going to reveal how awful this place is, and so I feel like there becomes a sort of a melodrama where because there are like these two countervailing pressures that make– I feel like it’s very difficult to speak kind of rationally and forthrightly about real human rights abuses in the West Bank. And at the same time, I think that people who are describing those human rights abuses again because they feel like there is some sort of taboo become hysterical and start treating Israel and see Israel as the creator of that taboo and thus as possessing some sort of outsize power.

Despite the hedging, these are important statements by Goldberg and are sure to make it easier for others to tell plainly the horrible things they have seen in the occupied territories. I sense that Goldberg would describe herself as a non-Zionist; and she is now in a position of leadership in the mainstream. Who will be first, herself or Peter Beinart, to grasp the nettle and follow Lisa Goldman’s brave lead and announce, I was radicalized by the persecution I saw on the West Bank, I must bear witness, I am no longer a Zionist!

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  1. annie
    annie
    February 1, 2019, 1:26 pm

    michelle goldberg is the only outlier in a conversation that’s made up 1000’s of these panels thru the decades. adl/greenblatt overseeing it and shapiro the voice of the liberal zionist repeating his 2ss is the only way mantra throughout.

    i had one of those rotating type dreams last night about decades of this type of dialogue completely exploding in the face of israel annexing the west bank during trumps term knowing they could get away with it under his watch.

    then i read this morning kushner and greenblatt (“peace team”) are holding meetings at the warsaw conference with netanyahu and leaders SA, UAE, Bahrain, Oman and Jordan and not inviting palestine. trumps so called deal is supposed to be announced after israeli elections (how many times have we heard this announcement is right around the corner). so they’re making these plans with everyone but palestinians (iran not invited either natch). the next 2 years should be interesting. but these panels are just a way for people to think engagement is happening. which is totally stupid because with no palestinian voices, they are worthless. with shapiro in denial the window has closed they are worthless.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      February 3, 2019, 6:35 pm

      “michelle goldberg is the only outlier in a conversation that’s made up 1000’s of these panels thru the decades.”

      Absolutely excellent point Annie, and that includes discussions in the mainstream media. This gigantic imbalance cannot possibly be due to random chance. As I listened to the whole discussion, it was an amazing collection of delusions and outright lies from the Zionists.

      Shapiro and Greenblatt talked smoothly and brazenly lied. They appeared to me as professional swindlers whose job was to keep the rank & file in the pen. Mona Charen seemed sincerely ignorant and arrogant, a perfect Zionist pawn. Doran seemed like a muddled Zionist, perhaps reflecting his Catholic upbringing.

      They were a rowboat of fools, smugly dismissing the facts Goldberg was trying to tell them. While Shapiro and Greenblatt had long obfuscations, Charen’s case was simple, “Zionism is the idea that the Jewish people deserve a state of their own.” Apparently so deserving they deserve to terrorize, murder, and rob the indigenous population of Palestine.

      Charen did make one statement it seemed to me worth contemplating, “What is anti-Semitism except for a vast conspiracy theory? Right? That the Jews somehow control the banks, the newspapers, the centers of power, and so forth.” She said this utterly oblivious to Goldberg’s point about the vast, longstanding silence about Palestinian reality that has been imposed on America’s media and political discussion.

      • annie
        annie
        February 4, 2019, 2:43 pm

        my mind starts pondering the implications of all these panels. universities about over the US are dotted with these jewish studies courses, a lot of people graduate with degrees in them. then some go on to have careers at one of the many israel promoting orgs, adl being one of many. somebodies sit around at board meetings thinking of ways to keep their community engaged and other somebodies think up these ideas and other somebodies purchase tickets to or make reservations for. and somebodies careers are literally planning the ongoing events that host bigwigs like shapiro and greenblatt, the sort of self professed expert on anti semitism that is currently so high profiled it has its own czar or two.

        so much investment in community engagement it’s a way of life for many people. and the perpetuation of this engagement is singularly, likely, the greatest bulwark against freedom for palestine. and that bulwark is in danger. my hunch is that these audiences are all older. many of the kids who are still engaged work for these orgs, but the audiences are not full of kids.

      • JWalters
        JWalters
        February 4, 2019, 6:32 pm

        So much investment to keep people in the cult. That itself is telling. And I agree the younger generations are liking the “think for yourself” lifestyle. Which is the opposite of the “think what we tell you” lifestyle of a cult. Avigail Abarbanel nails it in the classic Mondoweiss article, “Why I left the cult”
        https://mondoweiss.net/2016/10/why-i-left-the-cult

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        February 5, 2019, 12:28 am

        annie- If I would summarize your words it would be: Most professional Jews are Zionists, so therefore a sensible antiZionist needs to realize that professional/organizational Judaism is the enemy today and has been for at least 50 to 70 years. Maybe you could rewrite your statement so that it cannot be so summarized, but as written, that is the net effect.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 5, 2019, 12:22 pm

        “professional/organizational Judaism is the enemy today and has been for at least 50 to 70 years.” “WJ”

        “Professional/organizational Judaism” is composed entirely of stable geniuses and will live forever. They have discovered the crucial fact which separates Judaism from the other ordinary religions: Other religions have numbers, but we have percentages!

    • YoniFalic
      YoniFalic
      February 4, 2019, 7:27 pm

      Columbia, Harvard, Yale, UCLA, UCSB, and similar schools have Jewish studies programs where one can learn genuine history that is not littered with mythological or Zionist nonsense and that pertains to Judaism and to the various peoples associated with Judaism.

      Unfortunately far too many wealthy Jews/Slavo-Turks try to impose pseudo-scholars like Daniel Goldhagen (or Ruth Wisse or Deborah Lipstadt) on universities. (I consider Omer Bartov to be a despicable genocide-denier, who should be fired for moral turpitude.)

      https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/19/arts/holocaust-studies-gift-a-headache-for-harvard.html

  2. philweiss
    philweiss
    February 1, 2019, 1:43 pm

    I agree with you. When is anyone going to have the honesty to say, They dithered about 2ss, when it was on the table, for more than 30 years, so: they lost it, and they lost their non-separation of religion and state…

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      February 2, 2019, 10:40 am

      The Palestinians are the ones who dithered on two states. The Israelis were more than ready between 1993 and 2000. The Palestinians destroyed the Israeli appetite to take that kind of significant vhance. And now, many Arab leaders have realized that the Palestinians are probably never going to get there, and that it’s not worth constant stagnation to keep pushing their cause.

      See, if you viewed Israelis as full human beings, you might be able to step into their shoes and understand how they feel. But you view them as monstrosities, so you’ll keep banging your head against the wall. Maybe you’ll even engineer a split in the Democratic Party and cause the rest of American Jewry to experience your personal anxiety. But you’ll find that Israel has long passed the point where they’re fully reliant on America to survive, and your entire campaign will have accomplished nothing except to make Jews in the Diaspora less safe.

      • genesto
        genesto
        February 2, 2019, 2:33 pm

        ‘But you’ll find that Israel has long passed the point where they’re fully reliant on America to survive’

        That’s great news, hophmi. That should mean you are supporting the end to our roughly $4 billion per year military aid giveaway to the Jewish state. If that happens, and we stop acting in conjunction with Israel to carry on the endless military adventures in the Middle East, you will see much less outcry by US liberals and progressives – or, as you describe it, attacks on Israelis – to worry about.

      • annie
        annie
        February 2, 2019, 2:52 pm

        The Israelis were more than ready between 1993 and 2000.

        you’re being silly hops. don’t you recall the leaked netanyahu “america can be easily moved” tape

        Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones – as far as I’m concerned the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue.” In this way, he concluded, “I de facto put an end to the Oslo accords.”

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 2, 2019, 6:06 pm

        Ask the Americans. You’ll quickly learn that they give that aid for more reasons than “the Jews asked us for it” and that in fact, our security would suffer greatly if racists and antisemites succeeded at breaking our alliance.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        February 3, 2019, 12:14 am

        @hophmi

        “But you’ll find that Israel has long passed the point where they’re fully reliant on America to survive, ”

        Really? How long do you think it would be before Israel was totally isolated if the US put sanctions on it. For sure Israel can’t be dealt with militarily but only because it possesses nukes. It only exists because a completely corrupt US electoral system permits it.

        Within six months all of the yearning for next year in Jerusalem for thousands of years crowd would be running back to their home countries where they actually are indigenous.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 3, 2019, 3:26 am

        The Palestinians are the ones who dithered on two states. The Israelis were more than ready between 1993 and 2000. The Palestinians destroyed the Israeli appetite to take that kind of significant vhance.

        That crap was debunked by Salomon Ben Ami, who admitted that Rabin never intended to allow two states. In Ben Ami’s words, Rabin was only willing to consider a “state minus” meaning some minimal degree of autonomy for the Palestinians.
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/rabin-formally-opposed-a-palestinian-state-more-than-a-year-after-white-house-handshake-letter-from-1994-shows/

        So yes, we know how the Israelis feel. They stole the land and feel is belongs to them and feel they owe the Palestinian nothing but crumbs

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 3, 2019, 3:30 am

        Ask the Americans.

        Polls show that Americans believe to much money is given to Israel
        https://www.newsweek.com/america-giving-too-much-aid-israel-key-poll-findings-498956

        This aid does not provide any security for the US. In fact, even former head of Mossad, Meir Dragan, has admitted Israel has become a strategic liability to the US.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        February 3, 2019, 10:50 am

        If there was reason c. 1995 in justice and fairness to propose 2 states there still must be much at the least of the same reason now. The failures of the past aren’t a good reason for failure now to say what a just, fair and final conclusion to this miserable conflict would be.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        February 3, 2019, 12:05 pm

        “Ask the Americans.”

        For once, I completely agree. Let’s do that. Let’s ask the Americans. Let’s ask them if they want to continue giving billions of $ in aid to a comparatively rich country, while America itself doesn’t even have universal healthcare. Let’s ask them if they want to keep supporting a belligerant Middle Eastern country which most could not place on a map (admittedly not easy given it has no borders) for precisely nada in return. Let’s ask them. Let’s make support for Israel an election issue – no censorship, all out in the open, no trying to shame those on the other side of the argument.

        Are you really sure you want that?

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        February 3, 2019, 1:22 pm

        repeating lies doesn’t make them true. the palestinians never dithered. there was never an honest offer that allowed 2 states 2 form.

      • annie
        annie
        February 3, 2019, 1:53 pm

        and to claim “Israelis were more than ready between 1993 and 2000” denies history, as who could forget rabin’s assassination (’95). it doesn’t matter how ‘ready’ israelis are if they continue to kowtow to their fringe right, who have moved smack dab into the center (in relation to the 90’s), much more entrenched now than ever.

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        February 3, 2019, 1:23 pm

        @Maximus Decimus Meridius, admittedly not easy given it has no borders

        This nonsense again…
        Israel has declared borders with with each and every adjacent country. Jordan and Egypt, agreed to and without dispute. Lebanon and Syria, declared and disputed.

      • amigo
        amigo
        February 3, 2019, 1:58 pm

        “See, if you viewed Israelis as full human beings, you might be able to step into their shoes and understand how they feel. “hopknee.

        Hoppy , there you go again , leaving out 20% of Israelis which we view as Human Beings but 80 % of Israeli Jewish citizens do not.That includes you , right hophead.

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        February 3, 2019, 2:13 pm

        @pjdude the palestinians never dithered.

        Correct, the Palestinians have never dithered in their insistence that a 2SS would consist of two majority Palestinian states side by side.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        February 3, 2019, 2:17 pm

        So basically, 2 out of 5 borders. Impressive or wha? Can you show me an official Israeli map which shows its borders with the OT?

      • amigo
        amigo
        February 3, 2019, 2:26 pm

        “This nonsense again…
        Israel has declared borders with with each and every adjacent country. Jordan and Egypt, agreed to and without dispute. Lebanon and Syria, declared and disputed.” mondonutter.

        The nonsense is yours .

        Israel has declared borders that sit on someone elses lands.Occupied Syrian heights for example.

        Your arguments are flawed just as is the rogue entities Democracy.

        You have no borders until you adhere to intl Law –declare and dispute all you want .

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        February 3, 2019, 2:44 pm

        “The Palestinians were the ones who dithered on two states. The Israelis were more than ready between 1993 and 2000.” is certainly false as presented. I would say that between 1993 and 1995 Rabin and Arafat made due speed to reach the Oslo 2 accord, and it is difficult to predict how their relationship might have progressed were it not for Yigal Amir. Rabin (after the hiatus of Peres) was followed by Netanyahu, useful in mainstreaming contacts with Arafat, but not hopeful on the two state front. Then came ehud barak, who was not adequately prepared for camp david 2. of all the parties at camp david the israelis were most prepared and the palestinians the least prepared. arafat had revealed himself by then to be a man who wanted to delay any real decisions, a man who would try to avoid decisions as long as possible. how that negotiation would have turned out if clinton’s team had been as prepared as carter’s team at the first camp david, we will never know. the clinton team was also unprepared, (thinking in very vague terms without specificity). the israeli peace camp was not in strong enough position to negotiate in a prolonged intensive manner, neither in the summer and fall of 2000, nor when olmert was in charge in 2007. if the palestinians had been truly interested in a two state solution they would have been adequately prepared to make quick proposals to counter whatever israel proposed. but the palestinian default position was “let’s hear what you have to offer and then we’ll get back to you after 3 months to a year or so”, they were students who let the teacher dictate the schedule. (which is fine i guess: they really don’t care about a two state solution and prefer to return to 1947.)
        The statement: Israel is to blame for dithering on the two state solution absolves the Palestinians of any agency. To dismiss the unpreparedness of the Israeli peace camp in the given period is false as well.

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        February 3, 2019, 3:43 pm

        @amigo
        Israel has declared borders that sit on someone elses lands.Occupied Syrian heights for example.
        You have no borders until you adhere to intl Law –declare and dispute all you want .

        Israel has declared borders that are disputed, just as Lebanon and Syria have declared borders that are disputed. Worldwide there are dozens of territorial and border disputes, it is commonplace and it never makes the declared borders non-existent as you might want to believe.

        As for your linking the existence of borders to some vague adherence to Intl Law – that is just more nonsense.

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        February 3, 2019, 3:48 pm

        @Maximus Decimus Meridius, So basically, 2 out of 5 borders. Impressive or wha?

        A moment ago your claim was zero borders, which could generously be chalked up to ignorance but given your comment history it is more likely just a weak lie.

        The fact is that Israel borders 4 countries, and it has declared and demarcated borders with each of them. There is no border between Israel and the Palestinians by agreement between the 2 parties.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        February 3, 2019, 5:17 pm

        @mondonut. again repeating lies doesn’t make them true. its Israel that refuses to accept a palestinian state not the palestinians refusing to accept a jewish state even if it is illegal.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        February 3, 2019, 10:22 pm

        How about stopping being suckered by the continuous Zionist bickering about borders and the (real but not really relevant) fact of the zionists not accepting (I say “accepting” because who gives a wind what the criminals “declare”?) any borders?

        The presence of Zionist invaders within any borders in Palestine, far away from the invaders’ homes, is illegitimate. Period. Anyone who accepts “borders” based on conquest is an accessory to the crime of aggression.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        February 5, 2019, 2:07 am

        Hughes,

        “If there was reason c. 1995 in justice and fairness to propose 2 states”
        §
        Well, there wasn’t. Letting the thief keep his loot is not what justice or fairness can be described as.
        §
        Compromises are accepted, by definition, when justice and fairness are unavailable. Thanks for underlining that.

      • lonely rico
        lonely rico
        February 5, 2019, 10:12 am

        > hophmi

        Ask the Americans. You’ll quickly learn that they give that aid for more reasons than “the Jews asked us for it”

        No hoppy, the Jews didn’t ask for it.

        They hijacked the US government and just took it; Mearsheimer & Walt ring a bell?

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        February 5, 2019, 12:08 pm

        @lonely rico, They hijacked the US government and just took it

        The old ZOG conspiracy theory. Did this happen before or after they started controlling the weather?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 6, 2019, 7:23 am

        It’s amazing, oldgeezer, that you actually believe things like this.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 6, 2019, 8:15 am

        || hophmi: It’s amazing, oldgeezer, that you actually believe things like this. ||

        That’s nothing compared to the insane Zionist belief that the religion-based identity of Jewish magically:
        – transforms a person into an ancient Israelite (or Judean or maybe both) and makes geographic Palestine his “ancient / historic / one true homeland”;
        – entitles him to be a supremacist and to have a supremacist state; and
        – gives him the right to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality he would not have others do unto him.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        February 6, 2019, 8:36 am

        mondonut: “The old ZOG conspiracy theory. Did this happen before or after they started controlling the weather?”

        ROFL. Maybe after Israel’s rain enhancement project in 1961? http://www.emsmekorotprojects.com/?CategoryID=298

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 6, 2019, 10:09 pm

        “It’s amazing, oldgeezer, that you actually believe things like this.”

        Given what we know about the Israeli influence over the US Government, why is this so unbelievable?

  3. ErikEast
    ErikEast
    February 1, 2019, 1:57 pm

    “there is leftwing anti-semitism. It’s been a constant, I think it’s more a problem for example in the UK than it is here, but it’s absolutely there.”

    I love to know how Michelle Goldberg arrived at that conclusion. I mean, if she is relying on The Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland for the intel. then she should re-evaluate her sources.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      February 2, 2019, 10:41 am

      I’d love to know how one could NOT arrive at that conclusion. Are you deaf and blind?

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 2, 2019, 4:28 pm

        HOPHMI- “I’d love to know how one could NOT arrive at that conclusion. Are you deaf and blind?”

        Perhaps, unlike you, Erik East bases his opinion on empirical reality, not fealty to Zionist ideology. I continue to be surprised that real anti-Semitism remains so low in spite of the anti-Gentile vitriol of Zionists like you. And counting criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism means that the worse that Israel and its defenders behave, the more they claim victimhood!

        “The degree of anti-Semitism infecting British society has been the subject of numerous polls over a sustained period of time. These surveys have uniformly, consistently, and unambiguously concluded that anti-Semitism (1) has long been a marginal phenomenon in British society, infecting under 10 percent of the population, (2) is far less salient than hostility to other British minorities, and (3) is less pronounced in the UK than almost anywhere else in Europe….
        ….
        “The three richest Brits are Jewish.[12] Jews comprise only .5 percent of the population but fully 20 percent of the 100 richest Brits.[13] Relative both to the general population and to other ethno-religious groups, British Jews are in the aggregate disproportionately wealthy, educated, and professionally successful.[14] These data track closely with the picture elsewhere. Jews comprise only 2 percent of the US population but fully 30 percent of the 100 richest Americans, while Jews enjoy the highest household income among religious groups.[15] Jews comprise less than .2 percent of the world’s population but, of the world’s 200 richest people, fully 20 percent are Jewish.[16] Jews are incomparably organized as they have created a plethora of interlocking, overlapping, and mutually reinforcing communal and defense organizations that operate in both the domestic and international arenas. In many countries, not least the US and the UK, Jews occupy strategic positions in the entertainment industry, the arts, publishing, journals of opinion, the academy, the legal profession, and government.”
        (Norman Finkelstein) http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/08/25/finkelstein-on-corbyn-mania/

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        February 3, 2019, 12:08 pm

        Antisemitism is a crime in the UK and is taken very seriously indeed.

        Could you give us some examples of antisemitism so that those of us who are resident in the UK can report them to the relevant authorities? Lacking those, could you name any succesful prosecutions for antisemitism in the UK in recent years? Lord knows it’s had enough media attention so it’s not as though the authorities were looking the other way.

  4. Mooser
    Mooser
    February 1, 2019, 3:00 pm

    ” and the left is noticing the pattern of attacks by the Jewish community on African American women over Israel and seeing the attacks as in bad faith.”

    Yes, but look at the cred the Jewish community is gaining on the right!

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      February 2, 2019, 10:42 am

      Well, maybe most Jews think it’s in bad faith to suggest that we’re targeting African-Americans just because a couple of the hundreds of writers who have criticized Israel have been black. Like maybe that yet another attempt to falsely racialize the conflict and a racist attempt to conflate Jewish and white.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 2, 2019, 12:45 pm

        But “Hophmi”, as the minorities turn against Zionism in solidarity with the Palestinians, what are we supposed to do? Just stand there and take it?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 2, 2019, 2:18 pm

        Which minorities? I know of no “minorities” who oppose Israel. There are fringe groups within minority groups who would like this to be the case, however.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 2, 2019, 2:20 pm

        And as usual, Mooser, you didn’t address my point. But if you’d like to make the claim that criticizing a writer who happens to be Black is racist, please do so.

      • annie
        annie
        February 2, 2019, 2:58 pm

        which point hops? your “maybe most Jews think” point?

        just say it, say what you think. you don’t need to be a spokesperson for either some fringe group within a group nor for a larger community.

        and when you say, to suggest “we’re” targeting African-Americans, i don’t think anyone implied all jews are targeting african americans, so who’s the “we” you are speaking for? are you speaking for the establishment? the establishment that went after angela davis? marc lamont hill? or some adl/zoa coterie. do tell.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 2, 2019, 3:09 pm

        || hophmi: … Like maybe that yet another attempt to falsely racialize the conflict and a racist attempt to conflate Jewish and white. ||

        I suppose it’s possible that conflating “Jewish and white” may interfere with the on-going, dedicated efforts of Zionists to anti-Semitically conflate all Jews with Zionism and Israel.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 2, 2019, 4:04 pm

        “suggest that we’re targeting African-Americans just because a couple of the hundreds of writers who have criticized Israel have been black.”

        It is a tough decision. All those “hundreds of writers” to be attacked for criticizing Israel, so why not choose the ones with high target value?

        “Angela Davis is not a person who deserves a human rights award now or ever, and history will be unkind to those who whitewashed her past advocacy of autocracy and violence.” “Hophmi”

        “Autocracy”? Is that like “self-determination”? And “violence”? Oh my sainted Aunt Haganah!

      • gamal
        gamal
        February 2, 2019, 4:50 pm

        “so who’s the “we” you are speaking for?”

        Hey Annie,

        Good question when the Kadampa Geshe Banku Gel, a man who give up everything for others to study in hermitages, found himself running low on tea he decided to visit his sponsors….he came down from his hermitage and approached the farmhouse…no one around as it was harvest time, he didn’t know as he was doing religion not farming….so he thought I should just get some tea…..out in the fields the people heard a piercing scream “Thief…thief…” men came running their tools in their hands ready to deal with the thief …they came upon Banku Gel his left hand arrest his right hand holding the stolen tea screaming “thief”… genuine practise makes even bad things a joke…we so foolish…we all jokers anyway, they laughed and sent him away back to his cave, Banku Gel he is our standard for heroic practise, he sat outside a monastery when they give out curds, Tibetans love curds, he see the young monk coming with his ladle, he thinks he is giving every person a huge portion it will never last till me..he frets as the monk approaches him plenty of curds in the bucket he abruptly turns over his bowl, not for me …”never feed it” the Kadampa Geshes heroic practice, people don’t want to kill their ego but it is only way to be happy.

        It’s a new year Annie, all the best.

      • annie
        annie
        February 2, 2019, 5:47 pm

        all the best gamal

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 2, 2019, 9:37 pm

        “Like maybe that yet another attempt to falsely racialize the conflict and a racist attempt to conflate Jewish and white.”

        I don’t get this at all. How are most European and most American Jews not white?

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 3, 2019, 12:11 am

        ROHA- “How are most European and most American Jews not white?”

        When it serves their purpose not to be.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 3, 2019, 1:10 am

        Yeah Mooser, it’s true. I don’t believe people who said that Soviet dissidents belonged in jail deserve human rights awards.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 3, 2019, 1:14 am

        Why is overt antisemite YoniFalic still permitted to post here? Do you not enforce your own comment rules? How the hell is someone allowed to write that the Holocaust was “blowback?”. What the hell is wrong with you people? What the hell is wrong with you, Annie? How do you sleep at night allowing antisemitic comments like this to go through over and over again?

        Annie, I’ve seen the activist community claim again and again that the Jewish community was targeting the African-American community because of Angela Davis and Michelle Alexander. It’s BS.

      • amigo
        amigo
        February 3, 2019, 12:33 pm

        “How the hell is someone allowed to write that the Holocaust was “blowback?”. ” hopknee

        Hoppy , Yoni Falic,s name does not appear on this thread.

        What are you referring to.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 3, 2019, 1:14 pm

        “How are most European and most American Jews not white?”

        I don’t know about Europe, but in America I blame George Washington for this perception.
        America’s first President, who had no problem extending the benefits of a separate peoplehood to Africans and Native Americans, denied this to the Jews, and just shoved us in with the white people. We’ve been struggling with the results of this prejudiced inclusion for 200 years.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 3, 2019, 9:53 pm

        ” I don’t believe people who said that Soviet dissidents belonged in jail deserve human rights awards.”

        It would be easier to have sympathy for that position if that were the reason AD was denied the award.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 3, 2019, 9:56 pm

        “When it serves their purpose not to be.”

        Thanks, Keith. I don’t expect Hophmi will give an answer. I have to say that the only thing I can see that makes Jews not white is criticism.
        Criticizing Jews is forbidden, while criticizing Whites is obligatory.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        February 3, 2019, 10:42 pm

        Antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, antisemite, so there.

      • Peter in SF
        Peter in SF
        February 6, 2019, 3:32 am

        hophmi:

        “a racist attempt to conflate Jewish and white”

        As you must know, because you talk about anti-semitism so much, the core idea of anti-semitism is that Jews are a non-white racial group, with origins outside Europe, and hence Jewish people don’t deserve to have the same rights and privileges that white people do. But now a century or two later it is “racist … to conflate Jewish and white”?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 6, 2019, 7:25 am

        Yeah, Amigo, it appears that Annie removed his comment. Twitter banned him; seems like Mondoweiss is just catching up.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        February 6, 2019, 9:02 am

        hophmi: “a racist attempt to conflate Jewish and white”

        Well, we all know that the real Hebrews were as dark skinned as any other people living in this area. What does that tell you about the real ancestry of pale Ashkenazis? ROFL.

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 6, 2019, 12:08 pm

        HOPHMI- “… a racist attempt to conflate Jewish and white.”

        Al Jolson was fighting racism?

  5. Citizen
    Citizen
    February 1, 2019, 9:37 pm

    RE: “…they feel like there is some sort of taboo become hysterical and start treating Israel and see Israel as the creator of that taboo and thus as possessing some sort of outsize power.”

    Col. Lawrence Wilkerson (Colin Powell’s former chief of staff ) detailing Israeli negative influence on U.S. foreign policy: https://youtu.be/Sox6MoiiMic via @YouTube

    Will network or cable tv news shows ever put somebody like Wilkerson on to inform everyday Americans (98% non-Jewish) they have a target on their backs and our bipartisan leadership put it there, and deepens the dye ever deeper? And that the chief reason to not suspend our government is S.1, the top priority of our Senate, which bill has a pure Orwellian name because it has nothing to do with strengthening America’s security in the Middle East, but everything to do with strengthening a foreign state’s security in the Middle East?

    • Trygve
      Trygve
      February 2, 2019, 1:59 am

      Christiane Amanpour had Col. Wilkerson as a guest on her program on PBS the evening of 31 January 2019. Wilkerson did state there are those who believe U.S. Middle East policy is determined in Tel Aviv (now in Jerusalem), not in Washington.

      • annie
        annie
        February 2, 2019, 5:43 am

        got link? eee haw

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        February 2, 2019, 7:42 am

        Here’s the CNN transcript, Annie:
        [13:45:00]

        What are you — are you concerned about that? Do you think there’s enough sort of different DNA in the room when the president is forced to make

        decisions?

        WILKERSON: You make a good point. By and large you want a team that’s trusted, that can work together collegially, like for example I saw with

        H.W. Bush and Brent Scowcroft and Jim Baker and so forth. You want a team that can get things done for you but at the same time, you want people like

        Jim Baker and Brent Scowcroft who will tell you when you’ve got no clothes on, who’ll tell you when you’re making as a mistake and their view

        and so forth. I — I think you’re right that Donald Trump has reduced his administration to a group of sycophants and people who think the way he

        does with the possible exception of the national security adviser whom I know quite well and who might be dangerous in that regard.

        Because he sees the president’s inattention to detail as developing profound gaps into which he can wade and cause things to happen. And at

        the end of the day, I’m alarmed over what he Gideon Levy said a number of times in Haaretz and elsewhere. And that is that U.S. Middle East policy

        is not made in Washington, it’s made in Tel Aviv, now Jerusalem. There’s a lot of truth to that. And I see a neglectful president of that policy

        giving too much leeway to now an extremely right wing leader in Israel, Bibi Netanyahu, who might just at any moment conjure up a war with Iran

        inside Syria.

        He seems to be very intent on doing that, attacking targets over and over again. And Iran’s going to respond sooner or later and then the United

        States is going to find itself in a bind with a country that is arguably its principal ally in the world, Israel.

        AMANPOUR: Well that raises a whole new spectrum out there and we’re going to have to discuss it another time. And of course the much vaunted peace

        proposal that President Trump talked about is not yet on table either. We’re going to wait and see what — what develops down there. But thanks

        for your heads-up, thanks for the warning. Larry Wilkerson, thank you very much indeed for joining us today.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 2, 2019, 10:43 am

        You mean yet again a complaint here about the media turned out to be complete nonsense that could have debunked by anyone who is capable of using Google?

      • Boris
        Boris
        February 2, 2019, 10:56 am

        As an example of Israel’s influence, Wilkerson mentions how Israel is attacking Iranian targets in Syria (who moved them there?) and that may trigger a “response” from Iran (like Israel is not responding to Iran) and that may force the US involvement.

        Well, the US and Israel are allies. During the first Iraq war Israel was not responding to Iraqi’s SQUD missiles despite being hit many times – as was requested by the US. This is how true allies behave and this disproves the argument that the US Middle East policy is controlled from Tel-Aviv.

      • annie
        annie
        February 2, 2019, 1:29 pm

        thanks for the transcript citizen

        boris, could you use an example from this century to make your point?

        hops, what complaint?

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      February 2, 2019, 2:22 pm

      “Who will put Lawrence Wilkerson on TV to show how the Joos are threatening the other 98% of America, which by the way is totally not antisemitic to say?”

      “He was on Christine Amanpour’s show literally within the last three days.”

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 3, 2019, 12:02 am

        Hmmn. The mods won’t even allow me to ask the questions.

        There you go, Jackdaw. It isn’t just you.

      • annie
        annie
        February 3, 2019, 8:06 am

        joos? are you quoting yourself for effect hops? i can’t follow this conversation.

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    February 1, 2019, 10:03 pm

    Evidence of Israel’s undue influence on US domestic & foreign affairs: Joshua Geltzer, former Obama NSC, … https://youtu.be/GQyNcKS9N7Q via @YouTube @cpsanwj 2-1-2019

  7. Citizen
    Citizen
    February 1, 2019, 10:06 pm

    In 1962 AIPAC was ordered to register as a foreign agent under FARA when it was an unincorporated arm of the Zionist Council. It never did. DOJ has never enforced its own order.

    • Elizabeth Block
      Elizabeth Block
      February 2, 2019, 2:57 pm

      THAT I did not know! VERY interesting.

      Israel may not hypnotize the world, but it sure has hypnotized the USA. And Canada. In both countries it is, or has been, political suicide to criticize Israel. If that is changing, it’s high bloody time.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        February 3, 2019, 2:21 am

        It’s well known. It was a very particular issue based on the incorporation into AZC of several educational departments of the American wing of the Jewish Agency. Long story short, AZC ultimately agreed to suspend their relationship with the Jewish Agency to avoid any issue and reconstituted as AIPAC so that they didn’t have to retroactively register AZC for the couple of years AZC got Jewish Agency money. So the notion that advocating for a strong US- Israel relationship requires FARA revistration is nonsense; the question is whether funding is coming directly from a foreign government.

        Also, there was never an “order.”. There was an administrative letter sent from DOJ asking AZC to register.

  8. JWalters
    JWalters
    February 2, 2019, 4:10 am

    The difference between Michelle Goldberg and Shapiro, Greenblatt, Charen and Doran is that history will record Michelle Goldberg as bravely telling the truth and the others as making money promoting falsehoods. They have no job worries from telling the Zionist version of the story, but are well rewarded for it. Perhaps they don’t realize those people trying to tell the Palestinian side are being punished. But more likely they are well aware of the many dishonest, punishing tactics used by the Israel lobby, since they are openly admitted on camera in the documentary The Lobby.

    Perhaps they don’t realize Israel’s effort to punish Americans for expressing their Constitutionally protected right to boycott is a direct attack on one of America’s foundation values. Or perhaps they don’t care about destroying America’s foundation values any more than they care about Israel attacking the USS Liberty and attempting to slaughter the entire crew, including machine gunning men in life rafts. America and its values may not be a priority for them, except insofar as they can benefit Israel.

    Michelle is very tactful in presenting her case, suggesting things for them to think about. Very good suggestions. They should be grateful to her.

    They probably don’t want to think about that blanket of threat that is silencing so many people, those people who disagree with Israel’s actions and policies. Undoubtedly they will feel that pointing this out resembles an ancient “trope”. But they can’t simply brush away the facts of today. They need to deal with reality as it is.

    And included in the reality of today are the facts that Israel is not a “glorious” re-creation of a “glorious” past, commanded by God. In cold, hard reality, Israel is a vicious re-creation of a vicious Torah story. And the part about God’s commands was made up by the people who benefited from the plunder, then as now. In physical reality Israel has inflicted a campaign of terrorism, murder, and robbery on the innocent, indigenous people of Palestine. It has been covered up by the legal fig leaf of the so-called “Balfour Declaration”, which was merely an arranged letter to a war profiteering banker, Lord Rothschild. e.g. “War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”.

    A lot of people will need to find a way to save a lot of face, fast. Because the vast deception is falling to pieces. The next generation is not being as thoroughly shepherded along by the corporate media as the past. And now even the corporate media is buckling under the mass of the deception. So the NYT is opening itself to the physical facts, and to the moral fact that Jews are not holier than others. Shapiro, Greenblatt, Charen, and Doran would best get right with Justice ASAP.

  9. Boris
    Boris
    February 2, 2019, 10:37 am

    Stop the presses!!!!

    Philip Weiss is no longer a Zionist!!!

    I am shocked…

    This kind of reminds me – when I was growing up in Ukraine, a word “Jew” was a dirty one, admission of Jewishness was done with a whisper. Times changed, today many Ukrainians, Russians, etc. are finding and screaming about their Jewishness – like having a Jewish great-great grandfather – all with a goal of going to Israel or getting help from Chabbad as Jews.

    So, times change – some time Weiss is a Zionist, and some time he is not.

    Depends on from the wind is blowing ….

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 2, 2019, 12:07 pm

      ” today many Ukrainians, Russians, etc. are finding and screaming about their Jewishness – like having a Jewish great-great grandfather – all with a goal of going to Israel or getting help from Chabbad as Jews.”

      We are a very practical people.

    • Keith
      Keith
      February 2, 2019, 4:49 pm

      BORIS- “This kind of reminds me – when I was growing up in Ukraine, a word “Jew” was a dirty one, admission of Jewishness was done with a whisper.”

      Indeed, there is a significant neo-Nazi presence in the current Ukrainian government which the US put into power and supports thanks to folks like Zionist Victoria Nuland. Not the first time that Zionists have collaborated with Nazis and neo-Nazis. Weren’t you informed?

      • catalan
        catalan
        February 2, 2019, 8:38 pm

        “when I was growing up in Ukraine, a word “Jew” was a dirty one, admission of Jewishness was done with a whisper.””
        It was similar in Bulgaria – the word has awful connotations there as well. It actually sounds like an insult which always made me feel like crap. It is not ideal in the US although of course better. But as you can see from the comments in this blog, there are a lot of “Jews are rich and powerful and stingy and run the banks” sterotypes. New Mexico is better though because most people are Hispanic or Native American and generally seem to be indifferent towards Jews. It’s too multicultural for anyone to stand out.

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 2, 2019, 9:04 pm

        CATALAN- “It is not ideal in the US although of course better.”

        American Jews are the most successful, wealthy and powerful ethno-religious group in the US. Keeping in mind that all comparisons of the various ethnic groups are relative, what would make it “ideal” for you?

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 2, 2019, 9:22 pm

        || catalan: … But as you can see from the comments in this blog, there are a lot of “Jews are rich and powerful and stingy and run the banks” sterotypes. ||

        Asyou can see, the best comments come from Jewish supremacists:

        … A leading funder of neoconservative causes, Roger Hertog spoke of Jewish wealth and influence, and “billionaires,” in the context of the battle over Israel, at the conservative Jewish Leadership Conference last year.

        All of us are aware that this has been a remarkable era for American Jews. … Jews today make up ten percent of the Senate and a third of the Supreme Court, 25 percent of the billionaires …

        . . .
        During her Rosh Hashanah sermon … Rabbi Angela Buchdahl of New York’s Central Synagogue was honest about Jewish power.

        I want to acknowledge that despite the stories I shared [of rising anti-Semitism] that right now in America is perhaps the best time in our history to be a Jew. We should recognize that sitting in this room– our Jewish community holds extraordinary levels of power.

        . . .
        As we reported last year, Alan Dershowitz spoke of the Jewish contribution to American society and our right to “power” and “influence” on foreign policy as a result, at a Westchester synagogue:

        People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is, that’s not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington….We are entitled to use our power. … Look, we are the most affluent successful generation of Jews anywhere in the world, that’s the good news. … We are a very influential community. We deserve our influence.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        February 2, 2019, 10:06 pm

        @Keith

        Spot on. The current GoI even sees the responsibility for, and participation in, the holocaust as something that can be negotiated between themselves and nations prepared to be friendly on a diplomatic level.

        Never let it be said that zionists, at the upper end of the power structure at least, ever cared about Jewish people in any way. They saw them as a group to be used for their goal of creating a nationalistic racist state.

        To date they’ve been winning that cheap tawdry game. It not’s going to last. There will be a price.

      • catalan
        catalan
        February 2, 2019, 10:37 pm

        “American Jews are the most successful, wealthy and powerful ethno-religious group in the US.” Keith
        And that has nothing to do with their education and professional success but it is because they run secret networks of prefential treatment. And Asians do so much better than blacks why?

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 3, 2019, 11:58 am

        CATALAN- “And that has nothing to do with their education and professional success but it is because they run secret networks of prefential treatment.”

        Once again you change the topic when confronted with your false victimhood assertions. You were bemoaning the Jewish lot in life, remember? You were complaining about growing up in Bulgaria. Things were better in the US, but not ideal. And my question to you was what would make it ideal for the most successful, wealthy and powerful ethno-religious group in the US? Yes, throw in educational opportunity too. A privileged group by any measure but according to you “not ideal.” So I asked what would you call ideal? You answer by creating a straw man about secret networks, something I have never said nor implied. I have mentioned kinship nepotism and power-seeking organization (AIPAC, et al),both of which are real. Yet, for whatever reason, Jews as a group are relatively privileged. So why are you always playing the victim card?

        CATALAN- “And Asians do so much better than blacks why?”

        There are multiple factors, most of which you should be aware of. One obvious factor is that Asians don’t have to deal with the residual effects of American slavery. And surely it helps that they are lighter skinned. Interestingly, I don’t recall Asians as a group constantly claiming victim status. When are you going to knockoff the pilpul?

      • catalan
        catalan
        February 3, 2019, 12:18 pm

        “And my question to you was what would make it ideal for the most successful, wealthy and powerful ethno-religious group in the US? “ Keith
        I will answer that although not for your benefit as you parrot Shahak and Finkelstein like these two discovered the cure for cancer. In reality Jews are not “wealthy” and powerful but almost exclusively middle class individuals who often chose professions such as law, medicine, architecture, finance etc. That’s because Jews place a high value on education and financial stability. In your world being a doctor is “privilege”. The reality is that it is hard to be in the professions. As someone at a pretty high level in government finance I can tell you that my decent salary comes at a very high price – many years of education, responsibilities that often make me lose my sleep. Getting a little more money and an office can be soul crushing, and yes, abilities, ambition, luck come into play too. What doesn’t is me being Jewish as there are no other Jews to “help” me. Now, these billionaires you keep talking about are statistical aberrations. Take 10 million people who have good professions and you will see that a tiny number of them will rise to the very top of the food chain. Then people like you and various bigots focus exclusively on these exceptional one- in -a -million tales (Zucherberg, Ellison) and draw incorrect conclusions. Part of the problem is the weak math abilities of the general population who do not understand statistics. It’s like drawing conclusions about blacks from Scotty Pippen.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 3, 2019, 12:29 pm

        ” It actually sounds like an insult which always made me feel like crap.” “catalan”

        ” And Asians do so much better than blacks why?”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 3, 2019, 12:57 pm

        “As someone at a pretty high level in government finance I can tell you that my decent salary…” “catalan”

        “catalan”, it’s good you’ll never need to open a “GoFundMe” page. So why not do everyone a favor and go fund yourself?

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 3, 2019, 4:38 pm

        CATALAN- “In reality Jews are not “wealthy” and powerful….”

        Relative to other ethno-religious groups they are. What other ethnic group has anything comparable to AIPAC? What other ethnic group is so over represented among the wealthy? What other ethnic group is so over represented in the media? Etc, etc. Shahak and Finkelstein are scholars of high intellectual and moral integrity, your superiors by far. How about Benjamin Ginsberg? Writing in 1993, “Today, though barely 2% of the nation’s population is Jewish, close to half its billionaires are Jews. The chief executive officers of the three major television networks and the four largest film studios are Jews, as are the owners of the nation’s largest newspaper chain and the most influential single newspaper, the New York Times. In the late 1960s, Jews already constituted 20% of the faculty of elite universities and 40% of the professors of elite law schools; today these percentages doubtless are higher. (p1, “The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State,” Benjamin Ginsberg) Please note that the 1960s data is from when we are told that Jews faced anti-Semitic discrimination at elite universities.

        CATALAN- “… but almost exclusively middle class individuals who often chose professions such as law, medicine, architecture, finance etc.”

        The professions you list are upper middle class and consistent with a RELATIVELY privileged group. A group which has above average discretionary income to contribute to Zionist causes. A group which is becoming increasingly affluent as wealth shifts upward due to financialization.

        CATALAN- “That’s because Jews place a high value on education and financial stability.”

        And apparently the financial wherewithal to pursue advanced education. Using your perverse logic, you could claim that medieval European society was a meritocracy because the nobility valued education whereas the dumb peasants couldn’t read or write. One of the benefits of privilege is to acquire the credentials to retroactively justify the privilege.

        CATALAN- “The reality is that it is hard to be in the professions. As someone at a pretty high level in government finance I can tell you that my decent salary comes at a very high price – many years of education, responsibilities that often make me lose my sleep.”

        Please, you’re breaking my heart! Are you channeling Ayn Rand? Catalan shrugged? Well, if the burden proves too much, you can always quit, become an itinerant agricultural laborer and live a life of leisure. Any student debt?

        I have come to notice that the degree of privilege is usually inversely related to a person’s ability to empathize with their fellow human beings. Instead, the privileged usually attempt to justify their privilege and the social structure which permits and perpetuates it by denigrating those less fortunate, folks like you going so far as to claim victim status. Should we feel privileged that in spite of the demands on your time and the weight of your burden you still manage to make time to frequently comment on Mondoweiss? Lucky us!

      • umm al-hamam
        umm al-hamam
        February 4, 2019, 7:12 am

        I think the issue of Jewish wealth and power is often framed incorrectly—by those privileged Jews as some kind of nonsense about Jews being “biologically” or “culturally” driven to work hard, seek out opportunities, pursue education etc, and by other people as something “the Jews” have gained illegitimately through exploitation, violence, or as a gift from America in exchange for maintaining America’s combined Middle East military base and Jewish-themed summer camp (otherwise known as Israel).

        As far as I can tell, the Jewish families that have money were all well off and living in America/Western Europe before the turn of the twentieth century—can’t think of any Jewish billionaire or millionaire whose grandfather lived in a shtetl and precious few who can be considered Holocaust survivors. They’re as much “old money” as your Anglo-Saxon Vanderbilts and Astors and Rockefellers. Outside this core of probably a few hundred families, the remainder of the Jewish community has a similar wealth distribution & ability to access education/other career advancement paths of any other white ethnicity; I believe New York City has the highest proportion of Jewish billionaires in the world but also has something like 25% of its Jewish community living below the poverty line.

        Also the idea of Jewish-only “insider networks” for anyone except these few hundred families is laughable—if you’re outside that elite the “community” & all its institutions will cast you out and badmouth you for the rest of your life at the slightest provocation. If you have the misfortune to be a Jew whose family doesn’t have a single Ph.D./medium-to-large business/Nobel prize/six digit salary, and are looking for a community, my personal suggestion would be to convert to Islam.

        (Imo this is also why “the community” has such a “problem” with young people leaving the faith/ceasing to identify as Jews—it can be an extremely toxic environment. But I mean, most of ’em didn’t have any money so if they leave, the community’s average income goes up, win-win scenario for the AIPAC ghouls)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 4, 2019, 5:28 pm

        GOP congressman randomly lashes out at Pelosi after Jewish website accuses him of supporting Nazis”

        This one is complicated.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 4, 2019, 5:43 pm

        “Any student debt?”

        Once “catalan” solved that little over-stayed visa problem, he was home free!

  10. Kay24
    Kay24
    February 3, 2019, 4:54 am

    So refreshing to see a firm in Spain do the right thing and reject Israel’s land theft:

    “Spanish rail equipment manufacturer CAF announced, on Friday, that it had refused to participate in a tender to build a section of the railway in occupied East Jerusalem as it violates international law.

    An international tender to build and operate Jerusalem’s second light rail line has many companies rejecting to participate as they are fearful of arousing political opposition, since the proposed “Green Line” runs into parts of the city occupied by Israel during the Six-Day War in 1967.

    The proposed Green Line, a project that could cost as much as 5 billion shekels ($1.4 billion) and stretch along 22 kilometers, proved to be problematic as it reaches Mount Scopus and Gilo.

    https://www.juancole.com/2019/02/jerusalem-railroad-palestinian.html

    Another strong message for the land thieves.

  11. klm90046
    klm90046
    February 3, 2019, 3:44 pm

    Israel has made it clear, repeatedly, that it will allow a Palestine only on the following conditions:-

    All land, sea and air borders of the new Palestine will be controlled by Israel.
    Palestine will not have a military.
    Palestine’s police will be under Israeli control.
    Israeli forces will enter and carry out security ops in Palestine without hindrance.
    Israel will control all water resources in Palestine.
    Israel will control wireless frequencies over Palestine.

    No self-respecting nation can accept such obscene conditions; which apparently have US acquiescence.

    These negotiations are merely a tactic to place irreversible facts on the ground so that a Palestine becomes unachievable. I believe it already is.

    Palestinians should forget about a peaceful solution. There is none. The negotiations project has turned into an industry. Scores of people are making a living out of it. It could go on for ever. Palestinians should instead start looking for their George Washington, who will unite them, energize them, motivate them, arm them, train them and then lead them in a war of independence.

  12. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    February 3, 2019, 4:10 pm

    @klm90046

    “These negotiations are merely a tactic to place irreversible facts on the ground so that a Palestine becomes unachievable. I believe it already is”

    I agree 100%

    “Palestinians should instead start looking for their George Washington, who will unite them, energize them, motivate them, arm them, train them and then lead them in a war of independence”

    I disagree 100%

    Palestinians should be looking for leaders who will oust Abbas and all the other top ranking Vichy PA collaborators – leaders who will positively and peacefully and with I believe increasing world support look to achieve a one state equal rights for all solution.

    What is now an increasingly open and obscene Apartheid Colony has all the weapons and would crush any “war of independence” all the while pretending that they are fighting “terrorists” and keeping the West on their side The single most powerful weapon which Zios can never have permanently in their armoury and one which will inevitably defeat them is world opinion and as with Apartheid South Africa a South African standard BDS by civilised states.

    It`s coming – just a question of time.

    Tick tick

  13. amigo
    amigo
    February 3, 2019, 4:25 pm

    0ssinev

    “I disagree 100%”

    I agree.

    On the bright side , when the Bi National State is realised , it will put an end to mondonut,s nonsensical declared borders waffle.

  14. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    February 4, 2019, 6:28 pm

    @Hophmi
    You have the tendency either through training or instinct to divert on to Hasbara branch lines.
    MDM asked the following:
    “Could you give us some examples of antisemitism so that those of us who are resident in the UK can report them to the relevant authorities? Lacking those, could you name any succesful prosecutions for antisemitism in the UK in recent years? Lord knows it’s had enough media attention so it’s not as though the authorities were looking the other way”

    Apologies if I missed a direct factual response to his request and feel free to refresh. As a UK citizen I am keen nay will be fascinated to learn about these clear examples.

    What I have picked in your subsequent comments in this thread is:
    “And as usual, Mooser, you didn’t address my point”

    Perhaps you could make your point to Mooser by addressing the points raised by MDM.

    Eagerly awaiting those clear tangible example as reasonaby requested.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      February 6, 2019, 7:27 am

      You’re free to consult the Community Security Trust, which catalogues antisemitism in the UK. Asking me for “examples” means you’re too lazy to use Google. I’m not your researcher.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        February 6, 2019, 9:07 am

        Well hophmi, according to the definition that the CST uses “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews.”

        I’m sure that you will find it very easy to give up some examples when it comes to critisizing/condemning Israel that may be expressed as hatred toward Jews and not sympathy with Palestinians or support for equality, international and human rights.

        Please endulge us. ROFL.

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 7, 2019, 12:11 pm

        HOPHMI- “…thejc.com/news/uk-news/record-surge-in-antisemitism-driven-by-uk-politics-not-news-about-israel-says-cst-1.479634”

        Quote from the Jewish Chronicle: ““Now, 2016, 2017 and 2018 are all the worst years on record, but there is a very different dynamic.” Yes, there was an upsurge in non-violent PERCEIVED anti-Semitism in these years. Why? Could it have anything to do with the overt Zionist Jewish attack on Corbyn and the Labour Partry? A response to overt Jewish anti-Gentilism? A reaction to this Zionist attack on a person and party who may provide some resistance to neoliberalism? Are the peasants grumbling instead of grovelling? If one were to use the same criteria to measure anti-Gentilism as is used by you Zionists to measure anti-Semitism, you would have been banned from Mondoweiss long ago for your hateful comments and accusations.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        February 7, 2019, 1:59 pm

        Hophmi CST does not catalogue antisemitism.
        For their purposes, someone could trip on a paving slab, stumble into a Jewish person – and that person could then report it as an antisemitic incident and CST would catalogue it as such.
        Since antisemitism is a hate crime and can be recorded as such, it would be far better to examine police stats. You can do the research (if you can be bothered).

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