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Last week Bari Weiss of the New York Times published a book arguing that the left is rife with anti-Semitism in its criticism of Israel, and an amusing story line has emerged: Bari Weiss says it’s career suicide for anyone to embrace Zionism nowadays. But Bari Weiss’s career is awesome, thank you very much.

According to Weiss, if you are a Zionist, you have to closet yourself or you’ll be ostracized and vilified. Even saying you’re Jewish is dangerous. Because anti-Semitism “infests” the left, according to the laudatory review of Weiss’s book in The New York Times:

Bari Weiss has written what must be judged a brave book…

Should someone like Weiss, an editor and opinion writer at The New York Times, have to expect brickbats from her colleagues for observing that a vicious demonization of Israel and its supporters has become routine in much of the American left and endemic on college and university campuses? …

Should she have to fear ostracism or damage to her journalistic reputation for pointing out that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, while theoretically distinguishable, have long merged into a single ugly phenomenon?

Weiss says “others who share her feelings have been forced to deny who they are”:

“I meet such people in every Jewish community I speak to,” she relates. “They tend to wait until late in the evening, after the crowd has thinned out or after they’ve had a few glasses of wine, to make their confession. But the confession is always the same: I’m in the closet. It’s not their sexuality or gender expression they are closeting. It is their Jewishness and their Zionism.”…

This is so crazy it’s funny. Last night I attended a gathering of Jewish Voice for Peace to congratulate Rebecca Vilkomerson on her achievements as executive director. Jewishness was one of themes. A rabbi told a story of the Jewish response to genocide in Egypt from the Torah. Vilkomerson was overcome with emotion describing the prayers JVP led for the hundreds of Palestinians (including 500 children) killed in the last Israeli onslaught in 2014. The Jews in that room yesterday were almost all anti-Zionist, some not. No one was hiding the fact they’re Jewish.

And what about the career suicide? Bari Weiss is a person of uncommon rhetorical talent and poise, I acknowledge. Yet she has also had a gilded career, going from attacking professors at Columbia as an undergraduate to getting hired by the Wall Street Journal and then the New York Times op-ed page– joining a half dozen other columnists at the paper who are Zionists. Other authors can only dream of the treatment Weiss has gotten in the last week. She got a gushing review in the New York Times on the day her book dropped. She went on the Bill Maher show. Last night she was interviewed at the 92d Street Y by Jake Tapper of CNN ($36 admission). Last week she was given a fancy party attended by media powers: Viacom’s Shari Redstone, former HBO head Richard Plepler, Mad Men creator Matt Weiner, New York Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger. Dang!

Tapper and Weiss, Sept. 15. From twitter.

One of the refrains at the party as reported by New York Magazine was how mean and awful the social-media left is toward big-media folks who support Israel.

That is actually the issue here, and Bari Weiss is right: The left is now opposed to Zionism, sometimes angrily. Why? Because Zionism undermines or destroys the civil and human rights of Palestinians wherever it encounters them. It is that simple. The left finds that bigotry insupportable in an American ally; and the left’s power is in social media, not in the New York Times.

P.S. It’s a reflection of the very sad and special politics of Zionism that a, Weiss and Tapper appeared last night on a stage that excludes Palestinians, and b, the New York Times protected Weiss from her targets by assigning a sympatico rightwinger, Hillel Halkin, to review/praise her book, and then Halkin used the platform to attack LGBT rights and endorse fundamentalism:

Judaism fiercely opposed such an acceptance of sexual diversity, against which it championed the procreative family, the taming of anarchic passions, and the cosmically ordained nature of normative gender distinctions that goes back to the first chapter of Genesis: “So God created man in his own image. … Male and female created he them.”

What an endorsement…

Thanks to Adam Horowitz, Dave Reed, Donald Johnson, Annie Robbins, Peter Feld, Peter Voskamp, and James North.

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  1. eljay on September 16, 2019, 12:54 pm

    Bari Weiss is suffering from a bad case of aggressor-victimhood. And, as everyone knows, it’s a tough gig.  :-(

    • Misterioso on September 17, 2019, 9:59 am

      Ah, poor Bari Weiss is finding it increasingly difficult to be a Zionist in today’s world. Boohoo. Well, she better get used to it. It’s going to get worse, much worse. The ugly historical facts of Zionism and its spawn, “Israel,” are catching up to her and her kind and becoming common knowledge. As are its current ongoing crimes against the indigenous Palestinians.

      She just doesn’t “get it” or refuses to do so. There is no excuse for her appalling ignorance. As is thoroughly documented, during the late 1940’s and for decades thereafter, monstrous crimes were being committed by Zionist forces of foreign origin against the essentially defenseless indigenous Palestinians, including dispossession and expulsion by means of armed force, intimidation, mass rape, several massacres and the destruction of over 500 of their towns and villages, including churches, mosques and cemeteries. About 1,200,000 Palestinians were driven out of their ancestral homeland into refugee camps and elsewhere between late 1947 and 1967. These horrors were then virtually unknown to the majority of people around the world, including many Jews not living in “Israel.” Today, thankfully, Zionists’ past and current accelerating crimes against Palestinians are rapidly becoming common knowledge due to diligent work by eminent historians, the Internet and other reliable easily accessible sources such as Mondoweiss. It should come as no surprise to Ms. Weiss that informed, decent folk everywhere, from all walks of life, together with increasing numbers of righteous Jews, refuse to look the other way. They see Zionism for the evil it is and will continue to vigorously oppose it.

  2. Marnie on September 16, 2019, 1:20 pm

    With those shoes she will probably fall off a curb first. Baby steps bari, baby steps.

  3. Keith on September 16, 2019, 2:25 pm

    PHIL- “According to Weiss, if you are a Zionist these days, you have to be closeted lest you be ostracized or vilified. Even to say you’re Jewish is dangerous.”

    Bari Weiss is a professional Zionist. As such, she plays the victimhood card 24/7.

  4. wondering jew on September 16, 2019, 5:04 pm

    As Susie Linfield reports in her introduction to her book, “The Lions’ Den” antiZionism is the rule and the norm in left intellectual crowds that she hangs out with. (I wouldn’t know. I don’t hang out in those crowds.) How much overlap is there from antiZionism to antiSemitism it’s really difficult to determine. The two are not identical. Yet there certainly is an overlap.
    (99% of the time Phil Weiss is devoted to highlighting the distinction between the two. 10%-30% of the primary participants on this web site give ample evidence of the overlap of the two.)

    • eljay on September 16, 2019, 5:29 pm

      || wondering jew: … How much overlap is there from antiZionism to antiSemitism it’s really difficult to determine. The two are not identical. Yet there certainly is an overlap. … 10%-30% of the primary participants on this web site give ample evidence of the overlap … ||

      It’s good to know that 70-90% of anti-Zionists are not anti-Semites.  :-)

      It’s unfortunate that 100% of Zionists – including (well) over 70%* of the people in the world who have chosen to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish – are hateful and immoral supremacist hypocrites.  :-(

      It’s truly shameful that Zionists insist on anti-Semitically conflating Zionism and its colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist construct with all Jews.
      ________________________
      (*Zionists have stated that the vast majority of Jews are Zionists.)

    • Stephen Shenfield on September 16, 2019, 6:18 pm

      Well, give a few examples. I’ve been following Mondoweiss for quite some time, and my impression is that the overlap is more like 2% than 20%. In any case, it’s not surprising that there should be some overlap. What surprises and encourages me is the overlap not being larger than it is — despite the best efforts of you Zionists.

    • Marnie on September 17, 2019, 12:08 am

      @wondering jew/yonah

      it’s incredible that you have such a pitiful learning curve, considering the years you’ve spent stalking Phil and soiling these pages. Or is your ignorance deliberate?

  5. irishmoses on September 16, 2019, 6:31 pm

    So let me see; it’s really difficult to quantify the overlap between antiZionism and antiSemitism yet you estimate 10 to 30 percent of the “primary participants” on Mondoweiss fit the category of being overlapped, i.e. antiSemites.

    Presumably you have devined some criteria that qualify that 10 to 30 percent for the label of antiSemite. Please enlighten us so we can avoid stumbling into overlap territory. Can we criticize the actions and policies of present and past Israeli governments? Are there some actions and policies that can’t be criticized? Can we accuse Israel of apartheid-like treatment of the Palestinians?

    Perhaps you could provide a few examples from past comments that evidence antiSemitic overlap. Even better, name some names so we can avoid dialogue with those individuals who are beyond the pale so to speak.

    Some are obvious, David Duke for example. But obvious overlappers aren’t allowed on MW so it’s the subtle antiZionist/antiSemites we need to beware of. So having made your bold claim, fill us in with the details. Who are the overlappers and why do they qualify as such?

    Who knows, maybe I qualify?

    • Mooser on September 17, 2019, 4:40 pm

      “Who knows, maybe I qualify?”

      You can breath easy for the nonce, “wj” gives a list downpage in a 2:47 pm post, and you aren’t on it.

  6. echinococcus on September 16, 2019, 6:53 pm

    Most scoundrelly sentence of the NYT commenter:

    “Should she have to fear ostracism or damage to her journalistic reputation for pointing out that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, while theoretically distinguishable, have long merged into a single ugly phenomenon?”

    Well, duh, poor victim dominant propaganda, poor victim most powerful governments on earth, poor victim genocidaires!

    But then, a slight modification on this sentence gives something very real:

    Should one have to fear ostracism or damage to one’s reputation for pointing out that Zionism and self-attributed, non-religious “Jewishness”, while theoretically distinguishable, have long merged into a single ugly phenomenon?

    And the answer is obvious. Most of the damage and ostracism coming from “anti”-Zionists like JVP.

    A question that Mondoweiss will make unasked by the simple act of unquoting. Following its policy that allows a lot of open discussion on behalf of and by the Zionists, while it bans discussion by the opponents.

  7. spadepiccolo on September 16, 2019, 7:01 pm

    “Bari Weiss is a person of uncommon rhetorical talent and poise, I acknowledge.” Phil Weiss

    Is this a joke? Intellectually Zionists are about as interesting as a kazoo. And Bari Weiss’s the flatest note of all.

    • JohnSmith on September 16, 2019, 11:17 pm

      Bari Weiss never writes or opens her mouth except to reveal that she is a dolt. Perhaps Mr. Weiss means “Bari Weiss is a person who is exceedingly self-centered, self-seeking, and hypocritical, someone who has figured out that if she memorizes all of the racist Zionist arguments and spouts them as avidly as possible, she will climb the career ladder at the New York Times and elsewhere.”

      That’s not “talent and poise.” She’s basically a racist performing seal.

      To say nothing of her gutter morals completely apart from Israel and Zionism, exploiting anyone she can get her hands on for interviews or profiles when she can use them and harm them as objects of controversy. They end up put through the wringer, but heck it helps Bari Weiss’s career, and that’s certainly all *she* cares about!

  8. wondering jew on September 16, 2019, 8:10 pm

    When a Jew has an impulse to identify with his tribe it is condemned by some people. If that identity focuses on doing harm to the Palestinians I can see condemning that identification. But for some any solidarity by Jews with Jews is an attempt to do harm to nonJews. I consider that overlap territory. The only good Jew is the Jew who stops identifying with Jews. You’ve really never seen that here? Gimme a break, blind dudes!

    • echinococcus on September 16, 2019, 9:59 pm

      “You’ve really never seen that here?”

      Sure we’ve seen it. Lots of stone-age tribal behavior can be seen here and there on Mondoweiss (I suppose that’s what you mean by “here”.)

    • Marnie on September 17, 2019, 12:16 am

      @yonah

      ‘When a Jew has an impulse to identify with his tribe’

      What would bring on something like that? You actually made it sound deviant, was that your objective or just an accident? What does an ‘impulse’ involve yonah – burning a mosque, flattening homes and neighborhoods, arresting children in the middle of the night, shooting healthy young men in the knees and crippling them for life, denying medical care to cancer patients, forcing women to give birth in a checkpoint, etc., etc. ?

      Or do you mean treating all of God’s creation with the respect and love you have for yourself and seeing the lives of others as important and sacred as your own.

    • Mooser on September 17, 2019, 5:15 pm

      “When a Jew has an impulse to identify with his tribe it is condemned by some people.”

      But then we put “Stand By Your Landsmann” on the stereo to encourage Tribal Unity.

    • Keith on September 18, 2019, 2:36 pm

      WONDERING JEW- “When a Jew has an impulse to identify with his tribe it is condemned by some people.”

      Is a strong sense of tribal identity consistent with life in a multicultural society? Any potential problems?

    • G. Seauton on September 19, 2019, 10:50 pm

      If you’re saying that anti-Semitism still exists and has been expressed on Mondoweiss, surprise! Bigotry is not going away as long as there are humans in this world. I’ve been the object of hatred directed toward my own particular community as well — and by whom particularly? Jews! That’s right! And not so long ago as well. It’s not as though I stand out, and the group I belong to is quite well assimilated, but nonetheless.

      Once, for example, while sitting at an outdoor table at a restaurant with some friends, I was accosted by a Jewish woman who said some rather vile things to me, specifically about my ethnic origins, which, in my opinion, are not so obvious, since I am white. But she had me pegged ethnically, and nothing I said, without getting very aggressive, could make her go away. She seriously disliked people of my ethnicity, and she was going to make me realize that, although I was just sitting at a table, talking to some friends, and minding my own business. Finally, the restaurant owner got rid of her — because he saw what was going on.

      This was in the U.S., by the way, in a major city. If I had been Jewish, this probably would have made the news.

      This is not a unique incident. If you think that bigotry ought to be a thing of the past, I agree with you there, but let’s be realistic, shall we?

  9. RobertHenryEller on September 16, 2019, 8:32 pm

    Amusing that Bari Weiss, historically bisexual, currently with another woman, doesn’t take offense with her gushing NYT reviewer, the historically anti-LGBT Hillel Halkin.

    I guess Bari Weiss is one of those Mary Cheney, “I got mine,” lesbians.

    Maybe, when Bari’s pals, Trump, the Republicans, the Christian Right, White Supremacists, take over, Bari will be granted the privilege of not having to wear a yellow felt star of David with “Juden” on it.

    • echinococcus on September 16, 2019, 10:02 pm

      “… Bari Weiss, historically bisexual, currently with another woman, doesn’t take offense with her gushing NYT reviewer, the historically anti-LGBT Hillel Halkin”

      thereby proving that the story around tolerance or intolerance with regard to publicized sexual behavior has zilch to do with politics (contrary to what “liberals” would have us believe.)

  10. JWalters on September 16, 2019, 8:39 pm

    Bari “Mossad” Weiss’s ridiculous claim that being a Zionist is “career-suicide” is a merely a tactic, intended to “balance” and neutralize the fact-based claim that being anti-Zionist is truly a career risk. This tactic has been used historically by politicians promoting racism, who then claim their opponents are racist. Similarly, politicians who have promoted hate have claimed their opponents promote hate. As Phil points out, her own career demonstrates her lie in spades. It’s another example of how shamelessly low Bari Weiss has sunk on the integrity scale.

    I see a bit of progress, however, in the NYT review of her book acknowledging that anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are “theoretically distinguishable”. This means they are becoming less able to use their brazen core lie – that anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism.

    The anti-Zionist movement today is akin to the anti-slavery movement of the 1800’s. It is an effort to advance the moral evolution of humanity. The Zionist movement is an effort to push humanity backward 20 centuries, to a time of rampant ethnic supremacy and slavery. Like slavery, and for the same reasons, it needs to be eradicated.

    • Keith on September 17, 2019, 1:04 am

      JWALTERS- “Bari “Mossad” Weiss….”

      Three words that say it all.

    • Mooser on September 17, 2019, 4:07 pm

      It might be career suicide for Bari Weiss, because she’s made a bad move. She’s completely blown her cover.

  11. Kay24 on September 16, 2019, 11:23 pm

    Weiss is playing eternal victim, again. Quite a bad habit.

  12. edwardm on September 17, 2019, 6:28 am

    aw. Poor little rich girl. Yet she got what she wanted – money prestige and the gilded victimhood of being Jewish in the USA. Maybe she and the Bretbug can compare notes over a bowl of soup in Martha’s Vinyard.

  13. Ossinev on September 17, 2019, 9:31 am

    @WJ
    “When a Jew has an impulse to identify with his tribe it is condemned by some people. If that identity focuses on doing harm to the Palestinians I can see condemning that identification. But for some any solidarity by Jews with Jews is an attempt to do harm to nonJews. I consider that overlap territory. The only good Jew is the Jew who stops identifying with Jews. You’ve really never seen that here? Gimme a break, blind dudes!”

    IrishMoses asked for some actual examples. Instead predictably he got the convoluted waffle above.

    “The only good Jew is the Jew who stops identifying with Jews” is a classic example of your own spineless ” ovelapping “. You simply don`t have the balls to state what you actually believe = “the only good Jew is the Jew who identifies with Zionism”.

    • wondering jew on September 17, 2019, 2:47 pm

      Ossinev- I wish you a case of cholera.

      The following regular contributors engage in the following forms of Jew hating.

      Citizen- Holocaust denial- Anne Frank’s Bic pen.

      Keith- Any traditional Judaism is anti nonJew.

      Roha- Any small nation would serve the world best by losing its language so that the large languages remain and the small languages disappear.

      He’s been dead for 52 years but Isaac Deutscher was not a bad Jew and he did not identify with Zionism. The Satmar rebbe is not a bad Jew and he does not identify with Zionism.

      • Mooser on September 17, 2019, 5:22 pm

        “He’s been dead for 52 years but Isaac Deutscher was not a bad Jew and he did not identify with Zionism.

        And you can’t hold being dead against someone.

        “The Satmar rebbe is not a bad Jew and he does not identify with Zionism.”

        And he is one of the Grand Hereditary Schnorrers. He ‘identifies’ with the State of New York.

      • wondering jew on September 17, 2019, 9:13 pm

        Read Deutscher in “the nonjewish jew and other essays” posthumous 1968 and his brotherhood with the survivors, even those in Israel, is self apparent and when i cited him, he was duly condemned (here in this comment section) as being ethnocentric. that’s the type of stuff i was referring to.

        but deutscher’s support for trotsky made me question my blanket endorsement, though it was not that.
        trotsky was preferable to stalin, but trotsky was no democrat. one wonders what the soviet union would have been like under trotsky rather than stalin, but wondering only goes so far.

      • RoHa on September 17, 2019, 11:39 pm

        “And you can’t hold being dead against someone.”

        You can if it’s their own stupid fault.

      • DaBakr on September 18, 2019, 1:20 am

        Under Trotsky it would have been sexier

      • Tonja on September 18, 2019, 6:22 am

        dear WJ

        You say that Keith’s rhetoric is tantamount of jew hating when he says that “traditional Judaism is anti nonJew”?
        So i hope you made Haaretz accountable of jew hating.
        https://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/haaretz-orthodox-taught/

        but of course you will says that Haaretz is not talking about traditional Judaism but only the satmar community.

        Btw, as you mention them, saying that “Satmar rebbe is not a bad jew”
        https://mondoweiss.net/2019/06/countries-intolerant-minorities/

        Excerpt : Deborah Lipstadt, the scholar of anti-Semitism, made some remarkable comments to Peter Beinart at the Forward in March… Anti-Zionist Jews are “belated” Jews, late to discover they are Jewish. All Muslim-majority societies are intolerant of religious minorities. Satmar Hasidim are possibly anti-Semitic because they’re anti-Zionist; the jury’s out.

        I didn’t find your comment where you come to rescue the Satmar community over the accusation of antisemitism saying “The Satmar aren’t bad jews and they does not identify with zionism”

        So the Satmar : good jews or bad jews??

      • gamal on September 18, 2019, 9:02 am

        “The following regular contributors engage in the following forms of Jew hating”

        And also this one

        “This statement reads as if this intolerance is the inevitable result of Zionism, which is definitely not true. I would point to the following factors involved in Israel’s turn to the right that were not inevitable: 1. the settlement enterprise and its history, 2. the demographics of large families belonging to the ultra Orthodox and modern Orthodox camps, plus the influx of Russian Jews who have no liberal tradition and 3. the right wing tendencies of those Jews whose origins are in the Middle East and North Africa”

        1. That is Zionism, for those unsure what that’s about

        2. The Ultra Orthodox are a demographic threat, plus Russian Jews “have no liberal tradition” ?

        3. Arab Jews are fascists

        Jew hatred pure and simple, an Zionist blaming some (foreign or of a different rite) Jews, when will something be done about this sewer.

      • Mooser on September 18, 2019, 12:38 pm

        ” I wish you a case of cholera.”

        And many people would say we have the power to cause that “case of cholera”

      • Mooser on September 18, 2019, 12:44 pm

        “This means that the large languages – Chinese, Spanish, Russian, Indonesian, Hindi, Arabic, and so forth should disappear as well as the small ones.)” “RoHa”

        Now I understand! You want everybody to speak English, but you want to take almost all the words out of the language! Leaving only the grammar.

      • Mooser on September 18, 2019, 1:12 pm

        “You can if it’s their own stupid fault.”

        Isaac Deutscher died of a heart attack in 1967. In Rome. It was sudden and unexpected. Cardio-vascular medicine, as I’m sure you know, wasn’t then what it is today.

      • Mooser on September 18, 2019, 1:19 pm

        “Jew hatred pure and simple, an Zionist blaming some (foreign or of a different rite) Jews,”

        I wonder what Yonah would score on the “mirror test” for self-awareness?

      • Keith on September 18, 2019, 2:26 pm

        WONDERING JEW- “Keith- Any traditional Judaism is anti nonJew.”

        I don’t know what you consider “traditional Judaism.” As far as I recollect, I have never made any reference to “traditional Judaism.” What I have referred to is what Israel Shahak called “Classical Judaism” which he defined as a phase/type of Judaism practiced from about 800 CE to about 1800 CE before being replaced by modern Judaism. He believed that Zionism was a continuator of the ideology of Classical Judaism in secular form. In effect, a throwback to essentially medieval Judaic beliefs, particularly in regards to the relationship between Jews and non-Jews. He maintained (and I concur) that Zionism and Israel could not be understood without reference to the beliefs of Classical Judaism. We have several former Israeli commenters such as Danaa and Yoni Falic who seem to support the notion of pervasive Israeli anti-Gentilism. I continue to promote Shahak’s book but to little avail. Zionists seem to avoid inconvenient truths preferring instead to label non-Zionist critics as anti-Semites. Two relevant quotes:

        “It became apparent to me, as drawing on knowledge acquired in my youth, I began to study the Talmudic laws governing the relations between Jews and non-Jews, that neither Zionism, including its seemingly secular part, nor Israeli politics since the inception of the State of Israel, nor particularly the policies of the Jewish supporters of Israel in the diaspora, could be understood unless the deeper influence of these laws, and the worldview which they both create and express is taken into account.” (p1, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years,” Israel Shahak)

        “Everywhere, classical Judaism developed a hatred and contempt for agriculture as an occupation and peasants as a class, even more than for other Gentiles – a hatred of which I know no parallel in other societies.” (p53, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion,” Israel Shahak)

      • Mooser on September 18, 2019, 5:26 pm

        “Everywhere, classical Judaism developed a hatred and contempt for agriculture as an occupation”

        That is a bud libel. You’ve never heard of “Kosher Kush”?

      • RoHa on September 18, 2019, 9:26 pm

        “You want everybody to speak English, but you want to take almost all the words out of the language! ”

        If the words are already in the OED, they are fine and can stay. Furthermore, if foreigners think they have any useful words which do not have English equivalents, they can submit those words for assessment by the authorities.

      • RoHa on September 18, 2019, 9:27 pm

        “Isaac Deutscher died of a heart attack in 1967. …”

        That lets Isaac Deutscher off the hook.

      • RoHa on September 18, 2019, 9:30 pm

        Interesting that Mooser can quote a comment that isn’t there. It means that my comment was published and then withdrawn.

        I must have said something Forbidden.

        Not wishing a fatal disease on another commenter, though. That is perfectly acceptable to MW.

      • RoHa on September 18, 2019, 9:35 pm

        2nd try. Edited.

        “Ossinev- I wish you a case of cholera.”

        You are always charming, Yonah. Such a good example to the rest of us.

        “Roha- Any small nation would serve the world best by losing its language so that the large languages remain and the small languages disappear.”

        Now this is quite silly. Such a position could be seen as anti-Albanian, anti-Welsh, anti-Maltese, anti-Tongan, and anti-Basque, but what on earth makes it count as Jew hatred? There is nothing specific to Jews in there.

        (Furthermore, I will point out that my official position is that everyone should speak English, dammit. This means that the large languages – Chinese, Spanish, Russian, Indonesian, Hindi, Arabic, and so forth – should disappear, as well as the small ones. Jews who speak English would be unaffected.)

      • wondering jew on September 18, 2019, 11:18 pm

        keith- tribal identity has potential problems in modern society. thank god we have the likes of you to help us solve the potential problems.

      • wondering jew on September 18, 2019, 11:40 pm

        A critique of Jewish identity can be useful. A critique of Jewish identity by the enemy is not useful.

      • RoHa on September 19, 2019, 1:04 am

        And now to what I suspect is the Forbidden Question.

        Let us suppose that I am an incompetent but sincere historian. As a result of my bungled researches I come to the following conclusions:

        1. The death toll of the Homolodor was greatly exaggerated.
        2. The story of Rape of Nanking was cooked up by American propagandists over a small incident that only involved a few people.
        3. The Australian Army actually won the Emu War.

        If I state those conclusions, does that make me (1) a Ukrainian-hater, (2) a Chinese-hater, or (3) an Australian Army-hater?

        If so, why so?

      • Mooser on September 20, 2019, 7:41 pm

        ” It means that my comment was published and then withdrawn.”

        The Mods gave you the benefit of the doubt until the etymology was done, but there were just too many foreign words.

    • wondering jew on September 18, 2019, 11:33 pm

      Roha- Regarding cholera, it was either that or call him a twat. I chose the cholera. Should I apologize?

      • RoHa on September 19, 2019, 1:24 am

        You should seriously think about your attitude to other people.

        Calling someone a “twat” is a mild derogatory remark. It shows that you are irritated with and/or contemptuous of him.

        Saying that you wish him to suffer from a painful, fatal, disease is an expression of deep hatred. It shows that you want him to die, apparently just for challenging your claims.

        And that reveals what a vile person you are.

      • Sibiriak on September 19, 2019, 2:01 am

        RoHa: And that reveals what a vile person you are.
        ——————————————

        I thought it was rather amusing invective. I certainly don’t think Yonah is a “vile person.” But then again, I’m not really into the virtue signaling game.

      • MHughes976 on September 19, 2019, 5:25 am

        An apology is in order, I think.

      • Mooser on September 19, 2019, 4:30 pm

        “I chose the cholera…”

        Of course, it is much more realistic. Jews were often blamed for Cholera outbreaks.

        What comes next, “Yonah” , according to your protocols? Are you going to threaten to drink Ossinevs blood?

    • wondering jew on September 19, 2019, 12:13 am

      I propose a jury on whether someone is antisemitic or not: here’s my five judges from the past and present: rabbi brandt rosen, peter beinart, avraham burg, isaac deutscher and christopher hitchens. if you can argue that one of these five judges would exonerate those I condemn, I will accept that I overstepped. but you want to use yonifalic and danaa as your judges. good luck!

      • RoHa on September 19, 2019, 1:15 am

        I have a better idea.

        Instead of asking us to prove innocence to an imaginary jury, why don’t you present evidence of guilt?

        But you will have to explain why this, that, or the other counts as anti-Semitism.

        I am pretty sure you can’t because you don’t know, so I expect your accusations will fail.

      • echinococcus on September 19, 2019, 1:23 am

        The rules of “moderation” here can be discovered by trial and error, ie by sounding, now that we have the 2012 statement by Weiss.

        So we are adding one more rule: Zionists are free to call people names and pound endlessly on “antisemitism” and such, while responding is verboten. Even when done mildly.

      • Mooser on September 19, 2019, 6:29 pm

        :” Zionists are free to call people names and pound endlessly on “antisemitism” and such, while responding is verboten.”

        That is explained in a a sub-clause (the “sanity clause” ) in the comments policy which says “Never interrupt your opponent when he’s defeating himself.”

      • Mooser on September 19, 2019, 6:37 pm

        “here’s my five judges from the past and present: rabbi brandt rosen, peter beinart, avraham burg, isaac deutscher and christopher hitchens”

        Does being dead disqualify a person for jury duty in your legal system?

        And “Yonah”, why do you assiduously (yes! I said “assiduously” and I mean it! avoid using correct punctuation?

      • echinococcus on September 19, 2019, 8:52 pm

        Mooser,

        No need reminding all that you have always been the official champion for the Comments Policy, as if there was such an explicit policy.

      • RoHa on September 19, 2019, 9:06 pm

        “Does being dead disqualify a person for jury duty in your legal system?”

        This being dead business seems to serve as a wonderful excuse for avoiding a lot of duties. My own relatives are quite happy to criticize my handiwork, but, when I suggest they should do the household repairs themselves, they say that they don’t have to do that sort of thing any more.

        It does have its downsides, though. Your living relatives plunder your property, and in some places you lose the right to vote.

        At least in East Asia they offer you a bit of food and drink from time to time. In the West all you get is a few miserable flowers.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2019, 7:48 pm

        “No need reminding all that you have always been the official champion for the Comments Policy,”

        Yes, when it comes to comments policy I believe in Sanity Clause.

  14. Rusty Pipes on September 17, 2019, 12:49 pm

    From her lips to God’s ears. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it’s coming just as it did for South Africa. When the rebranding as Apartheid Israel becomes so obvious even the American mainstream can recognize it (even if the corporate media still fails to report it), those pundits who adore the ethnic supremacist state will no longer find it an asset to promote it, indeed they’ll have to find excuses for why they “didn’t know” to attempt to maintain any credibility.

  15. tamarque on September 17, 2019, 2:35 pm

    What a crock of s..t from Weiss. Sounds no different than the hasbara that Netanyahu spews out using the holocaust to attack anyone with a legitimate criticism of the political state of Israel, a state that takes over $4billion/year for military aid used heavily to attack Arab States and Palestinians forced to live under apartheid. Weiss is a well healed, super white crybaby and needs to be shut down.

  16. Jethro on September 17, 2019, 4:30 pm

    ” Bari Weiss is a person of uncommon rhetorical talent and poise…”

    Phil (and everyone), I suggest you watch Bari Weiss’ interview with Josh Rogan to see how “rhetorically talented” and “poised” she is. At one point she calls Tulsi Gabbard an “Assad toadie.” Rogan asks her what she means by that, and then she admits that she’s not sure she knows what the world “toadie” means. She then asks an assistant off camera to look it up. She’s just basically repeating the BS she hears in the salons of NYC, without thinking. She’s a rhetorical fraud and has no business writing for the NY Times.

    Start at 2:32:20

  17. FredNietzsche on September 18, 2019, 8:49 pm

    Glenn Greenwald did his usual 10-star job exposing this careerist-grasping mediocrity in a piece in The Intercept a couple years ago. See URL.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

    Oh, and watch Greenwald dismember her “uncommon rhetorical talent and poise”.

    • edwardm on September 18, 2019, 9:27 pm

      “She’s just another thoroughly mainstream writer who thrives on cheap, easy, and superficial “controversy,” who sees herself as a brave intellectual dissident as she is continually celebrated by and gets promoted within the most mainstream media circles — all for spouting conventional and power-flattering critiques of largely powerless figures. ”
      oh yea. Brave soul indeed. and remember –
      “When powerful people demand civility from those with less power, what they are really saying is that they expect obedience from their lessers.”
      https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-28/bedbug-bret-stephens-twitter-speech-civility-new-york-times

    • Boomer on September 19, 2019, 8:44 am

      Thanks for the link to Greenwald’s essay.

  18. Ossinev on September 19, 2019, 7:05 am

    @WJ
    “Ossinev- I wish you a case of cholera”

    Charming.and character revealing.No doubt you are similarly inclined towards anything Islamic.

    Shouldn`t really respond in kind but what the hell:

  19. youcantbeserious on September 19, 2019, 10:29 am

    We’re now in the total nausea phase of reporting, critical or otherwise. Dear Phil, no, it is not only you, and happens far too often, but when you gush praise, if you so choose, please link to or excerpt some of the text that warrants praise. How do you come to the assessment, or rather acknowledgment (a gesture of defeatism) that “Bari Weiss is a person of uncommon rhetorical talent and poise.” When the heavy weight of a hierarchically and creatively limiting establishment is behind someone, if they cannot find and channel a demeanor of “poise” that would indicate a certain skepticism or unwillingness. Which is a good thing. As for “uncommon rhetorical talent,” I think I am among the many who read that and were immediately afflicted with malaise. Complete nausea and I hadn’t even gotten through half of my morning coffee. So what gurgled up were other fluids. Fluids that should have been circulating to charge my synapses and ready me for my day. Yet if that skill attribution is one you believe Weiss possesses, please provide an example or preferably several examples. It would be good if you could explain why those examples display rhetorical prowess, but if that’s an impossible task, which it most likely is, then let the excerpts stand on their own for your readers to assess.

  20. spadepiccolo on September 19, 2019, 3:52 pm

    “Bari Weiss is a person of uncommon rhetorical talent and poise.”

    Would Bari Weiss need Phil Weiss’s permission to put this blurb on her book?

    • Mooser on September 19, 2019, 6:20 pm

      Hey, give Phil a break. He has to live in the same town as Bari Weiss. So he damns with faint praise.

      “Bari Weiss is a person of uncommon rhetorical talent and poise.”

      Basically he called her a smooth bullshitter.

      • DaBakr on September 19, 2019, 10:47 pm

        Are they cousins?

  21. youcantbeserious on September 19, 2019, 5:22 pm

    Right, if floppy mendacity can pass for poise, there are over 327 million Americans who are poise-plus or poise-extraordinaire. It is shocking to me that anyone can watch Weiss in any of her public appearances and come to the assessment that she has any poise – in any of the myriad possibilities that poise maintains, or any of the many definitions. That is other than one. Weiss’ pose is the smirk of the gas-lighter who is praised for lying. These are not benign lies and smears. Weiss lies to not only excuse, but rather promote murder, torture, ethnic cleansing and cultural theft. That she assists powerful players who profit from this, and find glee in it, only makes her push harder so they praise her and determine that she is a person of acclaim. What should be comical, but given the actual human toll cannot be, is that Weiss uses an incredibly limited set of phrases and concepts. There are no acute analogies, no consideration of historical event, literary expression or even expansive popular culture markers. She is nearly as mentally limited, by choice, as Dershowitz (by choice). Or, by choice, that barely literate joker who was a supreme court justice. Scalia. But that makes her one of the dedicated attackers. Mercenaries with tiny bags of words but unusually wide circulation to disseminate hatred.Their handlers never worry that those like Weiss have any thoughts of doubt as to who should be eliminated.
    Weiss is among those who desperately need to conflate critiques of Zionism with Antisemitism so as to attack – not only verbally, but physically and to determinedly erase any of their economic livelihoods – people who are opposed to violence perpetrated by the Israeli state and representatives of that state. By maintaining that barrier of political correctness, Weiss systematically works to cancel any who promote rights and justice, or even merely show that they care about these things.
    I’ll insert myself here. Those of us who fight against Antisemitism, often with our bodies on the line, find Weiss incredibly boring and insufferable. I had thought of making it public then decided against it – but now I will edit and publish times when I was attacked, including a murderous intent Pittsburgh physical attack by two neo-Nazis. Weiss can blather on any way she chooses, but hers should not be a voice that addresses Antisemitism. At least not for anyone who is trying to stop it – but I suspect that Weiss is one of those who needs to maintain Antisemitism so that she can build her identity. She is not smart enough to even realize that. Smart as in she chooses to keep herself limited because that gives her fame, a fame she relishes – again, how very boring.
    In a confession of sorts, I do admire and appreciate Mondoweiss. I find the content and the comments, for the most part, informative. I learn a lot. This, however, is what I hope to be a misstep. Although I do recall a somewhat similar misstep, when, several years ago, Schumer was described as though he were in some way intellectually smart (to that I chortled).

    • DaBakr on September 19, 2019, 11:08 pm

      @y

      Your calling Scalia an “illiterate” renders everything else you write as questionable. No problems with hating Scalia and his decisions but your just coming off as a pretentious show off who believes wholeheartedly in their intellectual superiority without adding anything (except maybe the Scalia quip) that hasn’t been said before.
      In a nutshell :

      You cant stand Bari Weiss and are disgusted by her success which you attribute to the willingness of Americans to lie to themselves

      You dislike Dershowitz, another accomplished American legal scholar expert in appeals

      You couldn’t stand Scalia and call him illiterate and…..

      Though it’s HIGHLY doubtful, you self-righteously imply you fight jew haters not only with words but with your body.

      A real hero. No ability to simply disagree without denigration. Insecure. (E.g. I would often become infuriated by Scalia’s opinions but calling him illiterate? One better have a pretty impressive body of work, accolades from other brilliant legal scholars as well as widespead respect on both sides of the political spectrum) Why should anybody take your opinion about mendacity seriously when you seem just as afflicted?

      • Keith on September 20, 2019, 12:28 am

        DABAKR- “… you self-righteously imply you fight jew haters not only with words but with your body.”

        “Jew haters?” Has a familiar ring to it, doesn’t it? Approximately what per cent of non-Jews do you reckon are “Jew hater?” Are there any Jewish Zionists who can be considered Gentile haters?” What per cent do you reckon?

      • DaBakr on September 20, 2019, 4:21 am

        @k

        You prefer the anachronistic ‘anti -semite’ which can be conveniently argued as applying to all people whos language is descended from semetic roots? Jew hating is too direct for you I suppose but let’s call it what it is. You certainly should understand as much or more then most regular commenters here. Or maybe your intent is to be provocative, how to tell?

        I have no idea what percentage of jews ‘hate’ gentiles. And I suspect the % of jew haters that existed decades ago is slightly more than exists now . But, gentile hating doesnt seem to be a ‘thing’ even with the hyper- sensitive politically correct US msm. Maybe the inter-marriage rate for US zionist jews with ‘gentiles’ (you really take umbrage with that term?) can inform your opinion.

        . Now… Christain hatred in parts of the Arab/ Muslim world , or as long as Christians remain dhimmis, is a different situation. There are no more jews in the Muslim world for them to hate up close and personal.

        It’s not a requirement that you be fond of jews BTW. They can survive without your love

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 9:04 am

        Hahaha – who is that bot with incredibly limited reading comprehension skills. the aforementioned fools were determined as such by choice.
        As for success. There are many heinous and violent people with success – he now indicates they all be worshipped (how dangerous and boring, well boring if they were not working to impoverish and slaughter people, and yes silence them).
        And barely literate does not mean illiterate – the barely literate, by choice, copy and regurgitate text made available to them.
        As for accomplished and lauded – what a crock. If you cannot give clear and verifiable examples about the specific texts for which they are lauded and let everyone assess for themselves the lauding is meaningless.
        And oh, somebody is a crybaby about an attack directed at words that people use (that word denigration shows what a violent fool you are) – if you are so worried about attacks on people, write Bari Weiss and Dershowitz (who smears girls who were raped) and remind them not to be mean to anyone and call them out. Why don’t you write all the victims of violence and police their language as well. Let them know they cannot say mean things to anyone who was violent to them and incited violence against them. But thanks for the response and exposing what a fool you are. Hahaha Also – and this is the creepiest part of the bot’s response – an insert about Americans lying to themselves – what a clear example of inserting a concept that had nothing to do with the original comment. Come on man, you can come up with better propaganda than that – the manufactured deflection falls flat – try harder – you may eventually be able to get there – and in that journey you may find a path to peace and justice …

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 9:29 am

        And DaBakr, your argumentation is the same used by many Holocaust deniers, especially those who attempt to minimize or challenge the specific heinousness of the Holocaust. That is of course in concert with those who Finkelstein exposes as part of the” Holocaust Industry.” By not addressing the substantive events, deflecting based on a misinterpretation of words, denying acts of violence, creating a smear about the narrator’s reliability with no real examples. Policing justifiable outrage against violence. I know your type. Most of us know your type. Again, if you were not part of those who deflect so as to excuse, minimize or silence conversations about violence, you would be as boring as they come. That you are a stand in for heinous violations against people, makes you what you are – a shill for violence.

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 9:43 am

        And last to the last – not lasting, but a last proclamation – not to be confused with pontification, which is another very troubling matter.
        It has all been said before. That’s the point. It all needs to be said, again and again. Until the violence stops. Until the ethic cleansing is over. Until Antisemitism is totally exposed and stopped. Do some research. Pick up a book. Subscribe to legal reviews. Scalia has often been skewered in texts that expose his limitations and present his redundancies. Since you and propagandists like you imagine they are so brilliant at taking people down, you should be able to find all of the readily available material.

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 10:41 am

        And DaBakr, your argumentation is the same used by many Holocaust deniers, especially those who attempt to minimize or challenge the specific heinousness of the Holocaust. That is of course in concert with those who Finkelstein exposes as part of the” Holocaust Industry.” By not addressing the substantive events, deflecting based on a misinterpretation of words, denying acts of violence, creating a smear about the narrator’s reliability with no real examples. Policing justifiable outrage against violence. I know your type. Most of us know your type. Again, if you were not part of those who deflect so as to excuse, minimize or silence conversations about violence, you would be as boring as they come. That you are a stand in for heinous violations against people, makes you what you are – a shill for violence.

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 10:43 am

        And last to the last – not lasting, but a last proclamation – not to be confused with pontification, which is another very troubling matter.
        It has all been said before. That’s the point. It all needs to be said, again and again. Until the violence stops. Until the ethic cleansing is over. Until Antisemitism is totally exposed and stopped. Do some research. Pick up a book. Subscribe to legal reviews. Scalia has often been skewered in texts that expose his limitations and present his redundancies. Since you and propagandists like you imagine they are so brilliant at taking people down, you should be able to find all of the readily available material.
        So glad I can keep bunches of bots like you and your associates busy trying to silence those who expose violence and to minimize and excuse that violence. Hahahahahaha

      • DaBakr on September 20, 2019, 2:34 pm

        @y

        Still fixated on who is literate (you, naturally), who is illiterate and who is “barely” literate. Hmm
        So, your basically saying you can read. mazel tov

        I was going to respond otherwise but can see you are either having a manic episode of some sort and your all over the place with rebuttals to all sorts of issues that aren’t necessarily in need of rebuttal in the first place. But with your literacy level I’m sure your well beyond the pale of understanding that we semi-literate folks can keep up with.

        maybe some meds, some yoga, smoke a cig, whatever.

        And Scalia is only “limited” in his thinking by standards obviously set by you and the few critics you read who attacked his ‘limited’ brain capacity. His reputation and life work stands alone for the world to judge. You don’t have to like his positions but until I see your body of work and legal decisions I’ll go with Scalia as being the more ‘literate’ by heaps

        *P.S. isn’t it rather limited in thinking that every critic you come across on the WWW is something you call a “bot”? Can’t you do any better then that?

      • annie on September 20, 2019, 4:00 pm

        what fixation dabkr? don’t make excuses for your inclination to enhance others expressions to suit your counter argument by placing quotemarks around your enhancements merely because you can’t make your argument otherwise, it’s caught up with you again.

        So, your basically saying you can read.

        So, your basically saying you can’t read. anyone can play that game.

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 11:22 pm

        Ha, yes, the Scalia obsession again – must be his declaration that the innocent can be eliminated (in that there is an undue burden on lower courts to review new evidence of innocence after most attempts at legal adjudication had been exhausted – supposedly so) — that’s one of the specialties of the Israeli state operatives, but they don’t even wait for an exhaustion of legal adjudication – that they commit monthly against Palestinians – also Israeli military operatives trained Duvalier’s security in murder and torture techniques – they also trained El Salvadorian and Guatemalan soldiers and paramilitaries to massacre and rape – is that according to you part and parcel in the fight against Antisemitism, as you see it – you continue to debase yourself – is that why Israel was such a strong ally of apartheid South Africa that specialized in eliminating the innocent … and so it is as clear as possible for you, your obsession with illiteracy is that you chose to insert the term as part of a rebuttal to an argument you could not comprehend and then chose to double down on your own misinterpretation only to further expose your poor reading comprehension skills – hahaha

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 11:28 pm

        Oh and the other one you heap praise and acclaim on – “Dershowitz, another accomplished American legal scholar expert in appeals” – is still a man who openly smears the character of child rape victims – that’s one of your winners – except that, well, you still haven’t provided any examples of said accomplishment, nor the text of the supposed appeals that can be rated as accomplished – oh and there is that matter of Norman Finkelstein exposing Dershowitz as a fraud and plagiarist – oopsie

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 11:47 pm

        And WWW? Is that a term from 1998? I believe I may have read a reference to it in a text published in 1987. There are archives you know. Having a throwback moment? Stuck in a historical loop are we? Hahahahahahahahahahaha – okay, enough badly constructed comedy for one day

      • Mooser on September 21, 2019, 12:23 pm

        “Maybe the inter-marriage rate for US zionist jews with ‘gentiles’ (you really take umbrage with that term?) can inform your opinion.” “Dabakr”

        Now Jews who out-marry are an advertisement for Zionism? That sure is a switch from the usual whining about “the silent Holocaust”.

      • DaBakr on September 22, 2019, 12:48 am

        @msr

        Honestly I, being a near illiterate, had problems understanding what the erstwhile ycbs was writing about but the intermarriage thing has been a big whining point for over 2000 yrs so I tend to think of it as just whining plain and simple. Love trumps everything, afaict

      • Mooser on September 22, 2019, 12:15 pm

        “Honestly I, being a near illiterate, had problems understanding…” “Dabakr” on September 22, 2019, 12:48 am

        “I have found that people who’ve spent significant time around European English speakers are more likely to have encountered the use of…
        My mother was a very strict english teacher so perhaps I can relate”
        “Dabakr”on September 22, 2019, 12:57 am

        “Dabakr” is a person of uncommon rhetorical talent and poise.

  22. G. Seauton on September 19, 2019, 9:44 pm

    Dear Phil, simpatico doesn’t mean “sympathetic”; also, it’s not spelled with a y.

    • DaBakr on September 20, 2019, 2:46 pm

      Great minds think alike.

    • annie on September 20, 2019, 3:26 pm

      https://www.yourdictionary.com/sympatico

      “The definition of sympatico is getting along and having mutual understanding with another. Also spelled simpatico.”

      • youcantbeserious on September 20, 2019, 10:54 pm

        thank you annie – and great to see how easily the bots can be wrangled – fun, but nonetheless incredibly sad – they still openly support heinous crimes and horrific acts of violence – there will come a time, hopefully soon, when justice will prevail

      • annie on September 21, 2019, 10:07 am

        de nada, my pleasure. yes, hopefully soon.

      • echinococcus on September 21, 2019, 12:37 am

        Annie,

        Without wanting to get into your personal preference for trendy words, buzzwords, yuppy niche sociolinguistics, etc., I just wanted to ask you to please stop quoting worthless, ignorant online stuff put together by people who have no idea of how lexicography or usage evaluation is done, or that there even is such a thing. It’s becoming embarrassing to read.

      • annie on September 21, 2019, 10:39 am

        simply scroll echi

  23. G. Seauton on September 20, 2019, 4:19 pm

    How did I just know that someone was sure to cite an online dictionary? Try looking it up in Webster’s (https://www.merriam-webster.com/) or Chambers (https://chambers.co.uk/search/). And forget about finding it in the OED.

    You’ll note that yourdictionary.com gives neither the date of first use nor the etymology. That indicates that the site does not do very serious lexicography. But it’s an online dictionary, so what should we really expect?

    Maybe I’m just a bit conservative about language use, but sympatico seems like a barbarism to me, especially since it’s a misspelling of simpatico (and was referred to as such before 2018 by yourdictionary.com), it comes from that Italian word but is used to mean something different, and it is clearly a recent coinage.

    Of course, we’re all free to use whatever language we want on the Web, so have at it. That particular usage just bothers me. But maybe I should start using urbandictionary.com as the source of most of my vocabulary from now on. That would be so rad, bro!

    • G. Seauton on September 20, 2019, 4:30 pm

      Addendum: I’ll point out that people used to use simpatico in its Italian meaning — which is one of the reasons I say sympatico is clearly a recent coinage.

    • annie on September 20, 2019, 4:38 pm

      G. in the future, if you use the reply feature it makes it more likely the conversation won’t get broken up and the comment you’re responding to will be read by that person.

      How did I just know that someone was sure to cite an online dictionary?

      probably because you already knew the spelling ‘sympatico’ was in common usage.

      simpatico doesn’t mean “sympathetic”

      speaking of etomology, i thought this might interest you: https://www.etymonline.com/word/simpatico

      1864 (in fem. form simpatica), from Spanish simpatico “sympathetic,” from simpatia “sympathy,” or from Italian simpatico, from simpatia, both ultimately from Latin sympathia (see sympathy).

      Maybe I’m just a bit conservative about language use, but sympatico seems like a barbarism to me

      ohhh..

      maybe I should start using urbandictionary.com as the source for most of my vocabulary from now on.

      vocabulary is the body of words used, not the way those words are spelled. there is no difference between the meanings of simpatico and sympatico, so it wouldn’t impact your vocabulary in this regard. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sympatico

      sympatico
      To share a mental connection or bond with someone, or to have a lot in common with someone.
      Karen is into yoga too. She and I are totally sympatico.

      but come to think of it, that might not be such a bad idea.

      • G. Seauton on September 20, 2019, 11:19 pm

        (1) I did use the reply feature. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t.
        (2) No, I wasn’t familiar with sympatico. I simply guessed. Of course, you’re probably trying to attribute bad faith or dishonesty to me, as you’ve done before, but it’s quite simple: I hadn’t run across this usage before.
        (3) It seems the online etymology dictionary you cite is incorrect — at least if I’m to believe the online Spanish dictionary I found (not saying I necessarily do, so no distortions of my words, please): https://www.spanishdict.com/translate/simp%C3%A1tico . In any case, it is true that the word in Spanish is spelled with an accent on the third-to-last syllable; otherwise, the pronunciation would have the stress fall on the penultimate syllable. But the sense of “sympathetic” given in that online Spanish dictionary refers to the sympathetic nervous system, not a feeling of sympathy with other people.
        (4) Ultimately, the root is not from Latin, but even earlier — from Greek: symptheia (συμπαθεια). That’s why the Latin word is given with a y. The Greek word does indeed mean “sympathy,” among other things. It literally means “suffering with (someone).” However, the Italian word, which has no accent, means “nice” or “likeable,” and as far as I know the Spanish word means the same, like the French word, sympathique, which certainly does not mean “sympathetic” in any typical sense in which we would use the English word.
        (5) Oh … ?
        (6) I didn’t even begin to suggest that vocabulary is “the way those words are spelled,” regardless of the fact that I quibbled with Phil’s spelling; however, sometimes, spelling does have an effect on vocabulary, i.e., on which word is being used. Consider two and too, there, they’re, and their, to cite just a couple of examples.
        (7) I wasn’t even remotely serious about using urbandictionary.com as a vocabulary source, and I thought that was obvious. I don’t consider it a serious source for much of anything other than slang I’m unfamiliar with. And even then, it’s not terribly reliable.

        But thank you for a pleasant excursion into language …

      • annie on September 21, 2019, 10:22 am

        7. i was joking!
        6. Consider two and too, there, they’re, and their, to cite just a couple of examples.

        but they all have different meanings, that’s my point. don’t simpatico and sympatico have the same meaning and pronunciation?

        2., 3. i stand corrected

      • echinococcus on September 21, 2019, 10:59 am

        ” don’t simpatico and sympatico have the same meaning and pronunciation?”

        No.

      • DaBakr on September 22, 2019, 12:57 am

        @gs

        I have found that people who’ve spent significant time around European English speakers are more likely to have encountered the use of ‘simpatico’ as a common inference. Americans tend to just assume it is a different form of sympathetic (not without cause). A learning moment perhaps but not a crucial issue.

        Also, have never seen where the ‘y’ is in common usage instead of the normative ‘i’

        My mother was a very strict english teacher so perhaps I can relate

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