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Finkelstein probably has to leave the country to get a teaching job because no institution will have the spine to hire him. Dershowitz and his gang have done a good job on Finks with the propaganda smear campaign and the intense pressure on the university. And speaking of Dershowitz, he is coming to Libby's aid.
"A dozen legal scholars, including a noted civil libertarian, Alan Dershowitz, are coming to the aid of a convicted White House aide facing a 2 1/2-year prison sentence. The scholars submitted an amicus brief Thursday to Judge Reggie Walton arguing that that there are serious constitutional questions about the legal authority of the special prosecutor who pursued Libby on obstruction of justice, perjury and false statement charges, Patrick Fitzgerald."
http://www.nysun.com/article/56207
Guys, relax, he's going to do just fine at the university of Teheran, maybe Damascus U, or Jedda tech.
I'm overwhelmed by disgust. There is no room for freedom of speech anymore in this climate of intimidation. Bill Pealman, shame on you.
Come on man, lighten up. His next stop is probably the Saudi endowed David Duke chair of Jewish studies, somewhere in England. He'll be fine.
You are confident that the criticism of Finkelstein was because of the content of his opinions and not mediocre scholarship?
Richard Witty claims to believe that the attack on Finkelstein was based on the quality of his scholarship. Raul Hilberg disagrees:
"And it was clear to me already years ago that some campaigns were launched — from what sector, I didn't know — to remove him from the academic world. Years ago, I got a phone call from someone who was in charge of a survivors' group in California who told me that Finkelstein had been ousted from a job in New York City at a university — actually, a college there — and this was done under pressure.
"And then, again, I gave a lecture a year and a half ago in Chicago, which is the place where Finkelstein had been employed at DePaul University, and my lecture was about Auschwitz, and it was based on the records, which we’ve now recovered from Moscow, about the history of this camp. Not exactly a simple topic. But there was a question period, and I awaited pertinent questions, when someone rose from his chair and asked, 'Should Finkelstein be tenured?' Now, for heaven’s sake, I said to myself, what is going on here?"
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/09/1514221&mode=thread&tid=25
In order to have an opinion on the lobby, you're going to occasionally have to remove your head from your ass Richard.
Is it really this typical in the Jewish community to rail against anyone or anything that is critical of Israel?
The Jewish-establishment lobby in the US seems to be just short of Stalinism: When you critizised such a wonderful system as communism, you ended up in a mental hospital. Finkelstein can be happy to be in America: He just doesn't get tenure for critizising the wonderful Jewish state of Israel.
Klaus my man, the "Fink" will be fine. He'll write another book, be on the lecture circuit and be the poor victim of the evil Jews. However, It is fascinating to hear moral judgements from a kraut. Has I've said to you before, perhaps you should wait unil 2933, the end of the thousand year reich
There's a recent interview posted at Finkelstein's site which is quite interesting.
It is from Chicago Public Radio on June 6. The first half deals with the '67 War and its lead up. But in the second half he engages in some musings on the some of the psychological roots of Israeli behavior.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1067
"Israelis don't see themselves as part of the Middle East. They see themselves as Western not Eastern, modern not backward. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy: You will not be accepted in large part because you don't see yourself as part of us. You see yourself as alien; you see yourself as superior; you see yourself as better. So how can expect under those circumstances to ever be accepted."
Well Dave, It could be that honor killing, suicide bombing backwardness that's not particularly attractive. Or have I missed all technological advances that are coming out of the Arab world. After all, it doesn't get any better than Cairo U. Without oil their nothing
The year 2933
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I keep telling my friends that there is a Bill Pearlman on a New York 'apostate' Jewish blog who keeps telling me to shut up until 2933. You are a good lauphing stock.
Can you understand?: We have had our totalitarianism. I don't want Germany to support another one.
Klaus: Germans don't have the right to make moral judgements about anything Jewish related. You gave that up when you opened up Dachau. Give that some thought during your next chorus of the Horst Wessel song.
"Germans don't have the right to make moral judgements about anything Jewish related."
Why just Germans? Don't all gentiles carry the "antisemitism" seed?
Well, Anon, you certainly do. Germans do, and you don't have to be a gentile to be antisemitic. Witness Phil Weiss himself. But, yes, Germans in particular should keep their mouths shut.
Finkelstein can't say he wasn't warned and didn't know what the rest of his life was going to be like, and he still stayed committed:
http://www.chomsky.info/books/power01.htm
While as a graduate student at Princeton, he discovered the universally acclaimed book "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters was a stupendous fraud on a grand scale. In his conversation with Chomsky on whether he should go forward with exposing it, he was warned:
"But your life is at stake too, I told him, because if you pursue this, your career is going to be ruined."
But as Finkelstein has said, that he will not be silenced, no matter what, and over 20 years later, he still hasn't.
Yah, he's a regular Galileo
indeed germans SHOULD keep their mouths shut. they had the chance to save the world from these monsters and didn't do it.
the holohoax is a fraud, pearlman. being an american i am still free to write that. unbelievably klaus would go to jail for the crime of questioning the official jewish version of history, just as germar rudolf and ernst zundel have been jailed for their peaceful free speech activities.
the holohoax is a fraud. just as when New York governor Martin Glynn, in 1919, claimed a holocaust of 6 million jews in world war one (why is it always 6 million? read the zohar, i suppose). Glynn's claims were a fraud, and the holohoax is a fraud as well.
Bill, since Jews like to think in genealogical terms, I would like to point out to you that I come from a Dutch gene-pool. Does that give me the right to comment on something Jewish?
And BTW Bill, Dachau was opend up in March 1944 to incarcerate communists. You probably would have gone along with that.
I of course mean March 1933.
Anon:
Not feeling the love man.
Klaus:
Means nothing, your German. BTW, has I'm sure you know Holland was extremely polarized. It had an active resistence movment but also contributed a Dutch SS division and Westerbrook seemed to keep humming quite nicely.
It is well known fact that Mr. Finkelstein IS A THREAT to the Israeli Lie that has been formenting in this country for years. Without the Brave people like Mr. Finkelstein speaking to the common people and getting the TRUTH OUT we were DOOMED to die for the lie that is Israel. Keep up the EXCELLENT work. THANKS
It is obvious that the Prof is being victimised by the ever more fascist movement called Zionism and its supporters.
There is no doubt that the most racist state in the western world is Israel.
Based on some sort of cult called the holocaust, its supporters do what all cultists do…defend the doctrine and none can question it, build temples to their god/gods/devine persons who are worshipped and try to spread it like a virus until all are infected.
Finklestein would probably be horrified by my descripion but it sums up the psychology of the subject.
As far as the Germans go, no death camps were on German soil. So the bigots can shut up regarding Germans being not allowed to speak on this subject or do we say that Israelis cannot talk about the Palestinian solution.
It is widely understood that boldness increases one's chances of success. A Yiddish word still in use, 'chutzpa' (pronounced 'hu tzpa'), sometimes exemplifies Jewish boldness and is often thought to be only good. But there is a distinction to be made between boldness and aggression, and, in practice, the distinction is often not made. When that happens, we are forced to remember that between aggression and hostility there is no difference at all.
Sarah:
going a little overboard on the capitalization don't you think. BTW, Sarah is a name typically Jewish. Are you sure your not a Jewess
Chris:
Interesting nuance. The distinction between death camps and concentration camps. I suppose geting gased is worse than being starved to death, shot, hung. decapitated, electrocuted, whatever.
But what's your reasoning my man, I really would like to know. Oh, nice touch, the Jews=virus analogy, very subtle
Jews did 911 and all world wars.
www.Jew-Crime.com
Who is your paymaster?
My bad.
definite = definitive
im banning the word "kike" on this blog the way you're throwing it around, bob. if you want to rewrite your post without the offensive speech, fine… phil
"Klaus: Germans don't have the right to make moral judgements about anything Jewish related. You gave that up when you opened up Dachau. Give that some thought during your next chorus of the Horst Wessel song." Quote Bill Pearlman.
Interesting that Pearlman visits the sins of the father upon the son. Very old Testiment and un-Christian. I suspect Klaus to be not a Nazi but a reasonable European excercising his democratic right of free speech.
Let's talk about it in nickles and dimes. Germans have paid to Israel so much compensation for war crimes and genocide committed against European Jewry I believe that blood money has been paid. Now demands for compensation to the children and grandchildren are being made. Due to the horrifying stories the survivors told, these descendants are claiming for post traumatic stress. Strange, I always thought that you had to be present at an incident to be effected by PTS. Shouldn't the freedom of speech of these descendants be regulated lest the induce PTS on their descendants.
Too bad my Dutch genes don't help. Here is another try: Since genealogically the mother is very important to Jews, I can tell you that mine taught at a Jewish school up to 1933 (she quit that year to marry not because of Hitler). Does my mother help?
Phil,
You didn't ban the use of the word kraut. Why do you think it's okay to use the one "K" word and not the other "K' word? Both are derogatory and bigoted. And if you read my entire post you saw that I apologized for use the the jewish "K" word. Are you sure you didn't erase my thread because I hit on some truths you don't want the average reader here to know about? If that is not the case then I'm sure you won't mind my posting of several links your readers might find interesting. Let's start with just a few. When I know that you really do believe in the free expression of ideas I'll post some more.
http://www.kawther.info/
www.ussliberty.org
http://www.vdare.com/misc/051105_macdonald_stalin.htm
http://www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html
Bill
For a start your "jews=virus" comment could only come from a paranoid mind. Looked under your bed lately?
Cultish behaviour is on the rise in this so enlightened world and as we stop some obvious ones, more subtle ones slip through the gaps.
Concentration camps,prisons, occupied territories…whatever…decapitation,electrocutions, starvation, human soap, skin for lampshades, thumbs for light switches. Its amazing what the human mind can dream up to harm people and even an entire nation.
My reasoning is that some people get carried away with their hatred.
It gets tiresome. Let people speak if there is nothing to be ashamed of.
bob, you're right, i ddint object to kraut. it seemed less offensive to my jewish ear. kike is like nigger, i dont like it. sorry if its a double standard, but youre dealing with my sensitivity.
i feel i am open to a lot of ideas here, though…
I'm about to go traveling,wont checkin on this blog for 12 or 14 hours.
phil
This reflects very poorly on DePaul University to say the least..
Who is this nasty racist Pearlman??
How can anybody be so foolish as to assign qualities to an entire nation of people based upon the behaviour of a few in the past.. Sounds like the sort of arrogance we hear from special people.. Bit like saying all Jews are racists because of the criminal behaviour of the Zionist IDF.. And who amongst us would say a thing as defamatory as that??
If Mr Weiss is still sensitive after all these years and billions of dollars, he needs meds.
Kraut
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I don't object to it. It's part of Bill's overall rhetoric that is sometimes idiotic – and hence very amusing.
Philip please. Why is it you protest against Bob Adams using the word Kike, yet seemingly have no problem with much more serious blood libels dressed up as academic scholarship? It's like you have ten posters arguing that people descended from Africa are intellectually inferior by nature and should be legall discriminated against, and you only take umbrage when one of them uses the word "nigger".
Face it – You have created another intellectual cesspool on the web for the paranoid anti-semites out there. Talk about a virus, you're blog is infected. It will be interesting to watch how you handle trying to mediate on these sensitive issues while your peanut gallery argues for some collective action to be taken against all American Jews.
This does not apply to all Jews, but very definitely, the Jewish power structure in this country does not believe in free speech. Therefore, it's only a matter of time before there is violent confrontation between the true west and these interlopers.
Thank you Phil for proving my point. There is a double standard here and on many other sites of this nature. But this is your site and you can do as you wish. What you can't do is hide the biased nature of your jewish sensitivity. I can understand this to a point. But when people are denied tenure, defamed, jailed, or worse because of jewish "sensitivity" to subjects that are academic and/or historical in nature then I and many others have a problem with it. I have been called an anti-semite and a nazi for some of the topics I touched on in my deleted post. It has gotten to the point that those words are meaningless to myself and a growing number of people the world over. When the majority of jews back zionist orthodoxy or the apartheid nature of the Israeli state they are (1) wrong in many cases and (2) fueling the very things they fear the most. Jews need to understand this and come to grips with it. A good question for jews to ask themselves is, what is it about Normal Finkelstein and his work that is so dangerous to my paradigm? Surely the truth doesn't require supression of speech and jails to stand on its own feet. What are jews afraid of?
My favorite quote is by George Orwell. It is.
"Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act."
Personally I think Normal Finkelstein is telling the truth. Via la revolucion!
"Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act."
There's a flipside to that.
"Imagining" that one is speaking the truth as a revolutionary act is in many cases a deceit.
It takes more specific comment to discern which of the two is true.
I'm familiar with the term 'anti-Semite.' That's someone who is against Semites. But what is the correct term for someone who is in favor of Semites? The term 'pro-Semite' seems rather mild. Would 'Semitiphile' be correct? Or how about 'hyper-semite?' Do any of you guys have an opinion about this?
"This guy is really a sort of academic gangster now. A sort of Meyer Lansky with a diploma."
-comment from OriginalDissent.com
re: Gangster Dershowitz
Why is it that all of you great semitic asshole never discuss just who financed , controlled,ran the Jewish bolshevik revolution. Oh yes let us not forget your gulags 30 million died in these jewish run entertainment centers.
Who in the hell is this Bill Pearlman — a govt op? Israeli is evil… ever heard of the U.S.S. Liberty?
Israeli started the 6 day war. Shib bed was involved in Enteppe Highjacking.
Phil, I hope you will not miss the voice of the enabler speaking softly beside Pearlman. Still honoured?
If you think graduate students are yet unaware I recommend you take a look at the case of Dr. Joel Hayward:
link to joelhayward.com
Pearlman, your mirth is moving. It's like watching Shylock euphoric with the news of shipwrecks. I laughed a lot with you excitement by the news and you "unexpected", coming to the forum to comemorate. And you are right, Finkelstein will fare quite well, he knows the questions he shoudn't ask and he's good for business. Now, please, continue with your feast of broken hulls and drownded sails. It's your time.
Not feeling the love guys.
Thank goodness there is such a great human, Bill Pearlman, to show us all how to behave.
I like how Bill just keeps talking, without anything to say. If Germans cannot speak because of their past, I suggest that Bill should be permanently silenced for his role in killing Jesus Christ.
Bill, you represent repression, hatred, rascism and war, just like that great American, Allen Douch-a-witz. "Freedom for everybody! Oh wait, except for those who don't agree with me. THEY should be shot."
I look forward to your well reasoned and thoughtfull reply, Mr. Pearlman.
i think the germans are superior. it bothers people. it really shouldn't. the japanese are impressive as well.
Guess what buddy, that thing with Christ. We didn't do it. I know you don't believe me but its only been 43 yrs since vatican 2. But I can see where a guy like you is a little behind the curve.
Next, repression, racism, and war. You forgot to throw in the poisoning of the wells, 9/11. and the Red Sox wining the series in 2004. ( they had the most Jewish players in the majors that year ) And when did I ever advocate executions for political opponents. Perhaps this is a case of psychological transferrence. Where you are projecting your own thoughts on me.