I'm running off to festivities. It's a happy new year in the U.S.–but not in Israel and Palestine! Thanks to all my readers, thanks to all the commenters, thanks to all my contributors, thanks to all my friends. Thanks to Adam Horowitz for his cool logical presence in the last few weeks. I'm wishing for largeness of spirit in the year to come. In myself, in my chill president, in the Israelis, in the Palestinians too. Despite the horrors of the last week, their cause has moved very far in the last year. I think a lot of their advocates are praying right now that they show nobility, with the eyes of the world on 'em. Gotta start the car!
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And may 2009 be the year that rejection of Zionism ceases to be a thought crime in the United States of America!
Wish you all the best for the coming new year Phil. As a long time reader (yet non-poster) of your blog, I hope to God that you keep writing these informative posts of yours.
Peace to all!
Best,
Eli
Best to everyone!
David
peace to you in the coming new year …..but to ask for nobility from the subservient slave who is being subjected to degradation is mighty white of you.
peace to men of goodwill.
Just came back from a New Years Eve party. Very educated and ethnically diverse crowd– I heard a few people saying how appalled they were by what Israel was doing to Gaza. One woman compared it to bombing the poverty striken people of Bangladesh– in other words, she was embarrassed for the Israelis that they would actually hype up a threat from the most desperate people on the planet.
Interesting– First time the issue has come up at a party for me, and for the first time in my life, I feel an once of optimism, I guess. I told her she should write a letter to her reps and Obama as well, and she said she would. Nothing huge, but there does seem to be more awareness now.
Maybe educated people are more and more getting used to having to read the mainstream press in this country the way the Soviet citizenry used to read Pravda: between the lines.
Happy New Year to everyone! (except the warmongers of Israel and the US.)
Warm wishes to everyone. Now out of the parties and into the streets! Stop bombing Gaza and Free Palestine.
A toast to Phil, for bringing the cool breeze of sanity to this tortured topic… and to the posters, too, who have contributed bit by bit to our collective understanding.
Israel Out of Gaza Now!
Maybe educated people are more and more getting used to having to read the mainstream press in this country the way the Soviet citizenry used to read Pravda: between the lines.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01gaza.html?_r=1&hp
In Dense Gaza, Civilians Suffer
By TAGHREED EL-KHODARY
Published: December 31, 2008
GAZA â A dentist stood at the bed of a doctor, his good friend Ehab Madhoun, 32, who had just died, his shrapnel-pitted body wrapped in a white shroud.
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It has always been this way, over years of conflict here, that civilians are killed in the densely populated Gaza Strip when Israel stages military operations it says are essential for its security. But five days of Israeli airstrikes have surpassed past operations in scale and intensity; the long-distance bombardment of the Hamas-controlled territory has, however well aimed at those suspected of being militants, splintered families and shattered homes in one of the most densely populated places on Earth.
Among the total dead â between 320 and 390, according to the United Nations â Palestinian medical officials say that 38 were children and 25 were women. The United Nations agency that helps Palestinian refugees said 25 percent of those killed had been civilians. Israel said it knew of 40 civilian deaths but that it was still checking.
Israeli officials are coming under increasing pressure to ease conditions for civilians, with tight supplies of electricity, water, food and medicine worsening shortages in an area already largely sealed off from the outside world. While Israel on Wednesday refused a 48-hour cease-fire suggested by the French to allow critical supplies into Gaza, it has been sensitive enough to the ever-louder complaints to say it will do all it can to allow in supplies.
On the issue of civilian casualties, Israeli officials maintain that they do not take aim at civilians and do everything possible â like using precision-guidance systems, up-to-the minute intelligence, leaflets and phone calls to targeted areas â to avoid hitting them.
Trusting what Israeli officials maintain is like trusting Chaney or Bush et al.
I note that in the American print and TV coverage, while they repeat
that Israel is doing its best via precision bombing and alert notices,
what's never mentioned is how crowded Gaza is; on the other hand,
this same media elaborates just how the Pal's rockets are getting a few near misses, and always, how many Israeli deaths have happened–five at last broadcast count. In four days of TV coverage,
I saw one mention with a rough count of Pal deaths.
It's like Pravada USA is reporting shooting fish in a barrel by focusing on how a couple of shooters were splashed with a stray
wet fin for a second.
Its much worse, trusting Hamas, Hezbollah, or dissenters that don't bother to fact check.
You don't understand life here, Phil. It IS pretty happy in Israel. Most people feel that after months and years of allowing an impossible situation to get worse, we have done something necessary. What is it in Israel's character that is most admired in history? It has to be courage and the ability to take bold risks. These have been in short supply lately. Matzar used to say that the more we hesitate, the more we lose respect, not just from Arabs, but from the rest of the world. They don't want Israel to behave like Swedes, they want to have a narrative into which they can put Israel. They want to be able to say, "Oh, you can count on Israel to strike back tenfold–that's their policy." NOT doing this, of late, has been very damaging. It seems the younger generation in the political and military leadership understand this.
So don't feel too bad for us. There's not much hand-wringing here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01arab.html
CAIRO â Arab countries appeared deeply divided on Wednesday over how to respond to the latest escalation in fighting between Israel and Hamas, with sharply differing comments from foreign ministers at the opening of an emergency Arab League meeting here.
Moderate Arab states generally allied to the United States blamed Palestinian disunity for the crisis and more radical states, some of whom did not attend, urged collective action to defend the Palestinians against Israel.
In the most striking comments, Saudi Arabiaâs foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, criticized the Palestinians for their inability to remain united behind President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah â an implicit condemnation of Hamas, which took over Gaza entirely in 2007 in a brief but violent civil war with Fatah. Normally, during periods of Israeli-Palestinian fighting, Arab leaders only condemn Israel.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051858.html
Gaza rocket barrage hits Negev; direct strike on 8-floor Ashdod residence
By Haaretz Service
Tags: israel, gaza, hamas
A Grad rocket fired by Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip on Thursday scored a direct hit on an eight-floor residential building in the northern Negev city of Ashdod, nearly 40 kilometers from the Hamas-ruled coastal territory.
More than 20 rockets were fired at the Negev on Thursday, after a relatively quiet night.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051597.html
JEWISH WORLD / Pro-Israel camp would be wise to heed Muslim cries for peace
By Roi Ben-Yehuda
As technology advances and televisions get flatter, bigger, and clearer, one subject will always be broadcast to the world in black and white: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The recent events in Gaza have engendered a predictable world reaction: polarization, anger, hatred, and fear. The left screams "massacre," while the right wants to get tougher.
Watching the mass protest and reading about strident calls for Israel's dissolution, we Jews can't help but get that lonely feeling in the pits of our stomachs: The world is against us. Call it a Pavlovian response conditioned by persecution on a mass scale.
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But the pro-Israel camp would be wise to pay attention not only to the bellicose cries coming from the mosques and streets, but also to the Muslim voices courageously speaking out against Hamas.
The Muslim Canadian Congress, for example, has issued a statement holding Hamas responsible for precipitating the recent conflict in Gaza.
The statement begins by condemning the recent Israeli attacks in Gaza as "disproportionate," but quickly turns its attention to censuring Hamas. According to the congress, Hamas is responsible for using the Palestinian people as "human bait," in an effort to kindle an all-out war in Gaza.
Dror, you're a halfwit, and Israel is an efes gadol.
Source: Editor and Publisher, December 27, 2008
"In the usual process," writes Greg Mitchell, "the U.S. government — and media here — are playing down questions about whether Israel overreacted in its massive air strikes on Gaza, while the foreign press, and even Haaretz in Israel, carries more balanced accounts. The early reports on Sunday already reveal the bombing of a TV station and mosque and preparations for an invasion." Mitchell cites eyewitness accounts that describe morgues full of civilians, along with editorial stating that Israel's bombing of Gaza "within the span of a few hours … sowed death and destruction on a scale that the Qassam rockets never approached in all their years."
Tel Aviv hawks don't want to remove the Hamas : they put it where it is and need it at their doorstep to remain in power.
What these guys want is to ignite a 3rd intifada, provoke a war with Hezbollah, win big Feb. 10, and get rid of moderates in Palestine, in the Muslim world, and furthermore in Israel.
Rowan, are you the British pedophile I hear so much about?
In any event, conjugate it . . .you can say efes gadol about a person, but not a country.
Tunnel bombing cuts off last lifeline for Gaza Strip
BY IBRAHIM BARZAK AND DIAA HADID ⢠ASSOCIATED PRESS ⢠JANUARY 1, 2009
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — The Gaza Strip has lost its last lifeline after five days of Israeli bombing raids that destroyed dozens of smuggling tunnels under the sandy border with Egypt.
The passages did not just supply Hamas with arms, they brought in flour, fuel and baby milk. For Gazans, already used to blackouts and shortages from an 18-month border blockade, the daily hunt for basics is ever more desperate — though there are no reports of outright hunger.
"I fed the children cooked tomatoes today, I can't find bread," Nima Burdeini, a mother of 11, said Wednesday at the Rafah refugee camp on the Gaza-Egypt border.
Israeli warplanes pounded the illicit tunnels as a part of the heavy bombardment of Hamas targets in Gaza that began Saturday. The hundreds of tunnels were seen as key to keeping Hamas in power.
After the Islamic militants seized Gaza in June 2007, Israel and Egypt imposed a blockade on the territory, allowing in only basic goods and humanitarian supplies.
Most of Gaza's 3,900 workshops have closed because they're unable to import raw materials and export products. Construction halted and thousands of people were thrown out of work, deepening poverty in an area where most of the 1.4 million residents rely on U.N. food aid to get by.
At times, Israel tightened the closure by restricting the inflow of fuel, cash and other key supplies. The blockade caused power outages and interruptions in the water supply.
In the two months leading up to Israel's offensive, it kept Gaza sealed in an attempt to force Gaza militants to stop firing rockets at southern Israeli towns.
The tunnels became a lifesaver for Hamas — and for Gaza. Some were used to sneak in arms, including rockets that militants are firing into Israel. But most of the underground passages were used to haul in consumer goods, from motor bikes to flour and chocolates.
Residents say there are several hundred tunnels under the 9-mile border. Owners said they believe many tunnels are badly damaged, but workers fear going near the area to check.
The tunnels are not visible from the air, but their locations are well known — brazen owners put up colorful tents over entrances.
Economist Omar Shaban estimated two-thirds of goods sold in Gaza came through the tunnels. The passages employed about 12,000 Gazans as diggers, drivers and haulers, Shaban said.
Tunnel owner Abu Sufian said he and his colleagues lost millions of dollars in merchandise that cannot be delivered from the Egyptian side.
"Just as the great oceans have but one taste, the taste of salt, so too there is but one taste fundamental to all true teachings of the Way, and this is the taste of freedom"
THE BUDDHA
have a great year
Israel's PR surge equals its massive attack on the barrel of fish in Gaza:
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=25102&docId=l:905509673&start=8
Dear Zionists on this blog:
Why did Israel attack when the children were leaving school and the women were in the markets?
How does one celebrate one's Jewishness while Palestinians are being killed like fish in a barrel?
Is the Jewish covenant with God present or absent in the face of Jewish oppression of Palestinians? Is the Jewish ethical tradition still available to you? Is the promise of holiness – so central to your existence – now beyond your ability to reclaim?
Since Nov. 4, when Israel effectively broke the truce with Hamas by attacking Gaza on a scale then unprecedented – a fact now buried with Gaza's dead – the violence has escalated as Hamas responded by sending hundreds of rockets into Israel to kill Israeli civilians. It is reported that Israel's strategy is to hit Hamas military targets, but explain that difference to the Palestinians who must bury their children.
On Nov. 5, Israel sealed all crossing points into Gaza, vastly reducing and at times denying food supplies, medicines, fuel, cooking gas, and parts for water and sanitation systems.
During November, an average of 4.6 trucks of food per day entered Gaza from Israel compared with an average of 123 trucks per day in October. Spare parts for the repair and maintenance of water-related equipment have been denied entry for over a year.
The World Health Organization just reported that half of Gaza's ambulances are now out of order.
According to the Associated Press, the first three-day death toll rose to at least 370 by Tuesday morning, with some 1,400 wounded. The UN said at least 62 of the dead were civilians. A Palestinian health official said that at least 22 children under age 16 were killed and more than 235 children have been wounded.
In the context of Gaza today, do you speak of reconciliation as a path to liberation, of sympathy as a source of understanding? Where does one find or even begin to create a common field of human undertaking from so essential to coexistence?
It is one thing to take an individual's land, his home, his livelihood, to denigrate his claims, or ignore his emotions. It is another to destroy his child. What happens to a society where renewal is denied and all possibility has ended?
And what will happen to Jews as a people whether they live in Israel or not? Why have you been unable to accept the fundamental humanity of Palestinians and include them within your moral boundaries? Rather, you reject any human connection with the people you are oppressing. Ultimately, your goal is to tribalize pain, narrowing the scope of human suffering to yourselves alone.
Your rejection of "the other" will undo all of you. You must incorporate Palestinians and other Arab peoples into the Jewish understanding of history, because they are a part of that history. You must question your own narrative and the one you have given others, rather than continue to cherish beliefs and sentiments that betray the Jewish ethical tradition.
Jewish intellectuals oppose racism, repression, and injustice almost everywhere in the world and yet it is still unacceptable – indeed, for some, it's an act of heresy – to oppose it when Israel is the oppressor. This double standard must end.
Israel's victories are pyrrhic and reveal the limits of Israeli power and your own limitations as a people: your inability to live a life without barriers. Are these the boundaries of your rebirth after the Holocaust?
As Jews in a post-Holocaust world empowered by a Jewish state kept on life support by the manipulated innocence of the American people, how do you as a people emerge from atrocity and abjection, empowered and also humane? How do you move beyond fear to envision something different, even if uncertain?
Your words and acts and omissions will determine who you are and what, in the end, you become.
As usual, the US vetoes the latest UN attempt to reign in the rogue state of Israel: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79727§ionid=351020202
As an American, I can only say as usual also, I am totally against
my own hijacked nation's stance.
Dror:
You don't understand life here, Phil. It IS pretty happy in Israel.
Colin:
Plantation owners in the antebellum South were pretty happy too. That didn't save their wicked way of live.
Life's good here too; along that line, here's the latest on SOG's relation, the traitor (sorry no news on the AIPAC case), who some have remarked looks a lot like SOG:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/nyregion/31spy.html?scp=10&sq=&st=nyt:
It's always good times diverting another's water and shitting in their mouths. Especially if you have foreign sheeple paying for your fun.
Richard:
More than 20 rockets were fired at the Negev on Thursday, after a relatively quiet night.
Colin:
It wasn't quiet for Palestinians, why the frak would you think they would let Israelis sleep soundly at night? I often see Hamas' rocket attacks described as pathetic because they cause minimal material damage and infrequent human casualties. I suspect that is not the point at all. They are fired to keep Zionists awake, to remind you that you will not be permitted to pretend that you are not committing grave injustices. And that's why Israelis get so pissed. They would rather face bullets than their consciences. Like Dror, they just want to get on with happy lives, and not be reminded of their victims. Europeans, NOT Arabs, manned the watchtowers of the death camps and the firing squads at the death pits during the Holocaust. They have every right to keep you Zionists up at night. You have involuntarily dragged my people into your wars, so I raise my mug of coffee in salute to their efforts to prolong your insomnia. Maybe when you get tired enough you'll actually be willing to negotiate peace in good-faith.
They would rather face bullets than their consciences.
Wow, Colin. Beautiful one-line summation of the Zionist addiction to war. Thanks.
So its the izzy character to be courageous and take bold risks, eh Dror? Like bombing children? Izzies like you really are the Nazis of the 21st century. Thanks to slack-jawed idiots like you, how long do you think it will be before some people start turning on individual jews? Maybe not just some people?
Happy New Year to you too, Phil Weiss.
And Happy New year to all who make this blog the best on the topic on the net.
Even you SOG, lol….
If its war then, Palestinians have the disadvantage.
That is the point, that Hamas escalated UNTIL Israel responded.
It was a dumb strategy, that turned a diplomatic conflict into a military one.
Same as Lebanon in 2006.
Colin,
If you are going to be an advocate of peace, so be it. If you are going to be an advocate of war, it would be more honest of you to say so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/02/world/middleeast/02mideast.html?_r=1&hp
Israel Pursues Diplomacy but Presses Attacks
By ISABEL KERSHNER and ETHAN BRONNER
Published: January 1, 2009
JERUSALEM â Israel stepped up its diplomatic activity on Thursday, possibly to try to gain more time for its rolling military offensive against Hamas in Gaza while keeping up airstrikes against the radical Islamic groupâs infrastructure for a sixth day.
The Israeli air force on Thursday afternoon bombed the house of Nizar Rayyan, a senior Hamas leader, killing him along with two of his wives and four children, Palestinian hospital officials said. Mr. Rayyan was the first high ranking Hamas figure killed so far in the Israeli campaign.
"Two of his wives"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051852.html
Poll: Most Israelis support continuing Gaza military op
By Yossi Verter, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service
Tags: Gaza, Israel News, Hamas
A decisive majority of respondents support continuing the army's air campaign against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip without endangering the lives of Israel Defense Forces soldiers in a ground offensive, according to a Haaretz-Dialog public opinion poll.
Only about 20 percent of respondents support expanding the operation into a ground campaign – about the same proportion that supports an immediate cease-fire.
If it's an addiction, it's of the kind from which the addict would desperately rather be free, but can't do on their own. There will be no peace in the Middle East without decisive American intervention, and this conflict is now a vital American national security issue, and attempts by the Lobby to delay its resolution will, in the end, only turn Americans decisively against it. Made peace while you still have our support, dammit! No one wants to go down any other road. We are, I AM, sympathetic. I read the Decline and Fall of the Third Reich when I was 10 years old, in spite of the nuns attempts to censor me, and have never stopped trying to learn more. I am not your enemy, and am only angered by attempts to use me and mine, not driven to hatred, or even disrespect.
I strongly disagree with the notion that Israelis in any way enjoy their predicament. I've starting reading The Gun and the Olive Branch and I've been shocked at just how early on Arabs, not all, but many, were willing to make peace with Israel. Israel intransigence is based on fear, pure and simple, for which I don't blame them, they having only recently escaped the charnel houses of Europe and Russia, and thereafter having had their hearts hardened by the exigencies of war and occupation. These realizations give me hope, and also enhance my belief in the sincerity of Arab peace offers. And for those who dismiss the book as an antisemitic screed, just as in the case of Mearsheimer and Walt, I suggest you read the citations. You may disagree with the analysis, but the data themselves are impeccable.
Hasbara Richard Witty, are you trying to say Israel is really at war with polygamy?
Are you even aware that in many non-Western cultures, monogamy is not the only permissable social arrangement? Somehow I doubt it.
You really are one of Israel's least effective hasbara, utterly obtuse and unconvincing to the core.
Colin, yo don' understan nuttin about the good ol' plantation. Our Massah is good to us, he feeds us, helps us protect ourselves from they terrorists, gives us TV, movies, educasion, clothes and all. You know we is too dumb to make it widdout the Massah, since he knows so much, and we don't know nuttin, so why is yo complainin? That's why the Massah lives in that great big house over dere and we live in our little shacks, get up every day and pick the Massah's cotton, get drunk every night and then go to bed, then get up every monin' and do it all over agin. That's why the Massah he runs everthing, cause he smarter and richer, didn't yo know that? Happy New Year!
It is in the US interest to realize peace in the region.
And, that is why is position is NOT to pander to Hamas, but to hold Hamas to the standard that a cease-fire represents.
It is wrong to rationalize that shelling civilians is just or peaceful.
So long as that continues as the means by which Palestinians seek to change their condition, they will fail.
The reports here of Israeli "targeting civilians" are innaccurate from what I've read and heard from actual reports from non-biased reporters in Gaza.
ALL aerial attacks are by definition less than perfectly accurate. But, this is NOT carpet bombing or napalm. It is far more precise and far less terror.
Those individuals that have posted here in the name of "patriotism" that defended US actions in Vietnam as somehow morally superior to Israel's selection and precision bombing, are hypocrites.
In contrast, Hamas shelling civilian areas (not military) with entirely imprecise weapons, ARE by definition, terror. Terror in intent, terror in application.
Witty who cares what the Saudi king has to say. The Arab world is always divided on anything relevant to Israel-Palestine because it's either led by corrupt family dictatorships or puppet kings, queens, presidents. All installed by the US.
The fact that you even post the article as if it's supposed to mean anything says a lot about you.
It's from the NY Times as well.
Go away.
A couple off topic remarks:
I'm glad that Witty posts, because this is what one has to deal with in liberal and academic Jewish communities. It's pervasive for a reason, not anomalous, which would make it uninteresting and irrelevant.
Also, in reference to the NPR Innskeep post, check out my friend's NPR check (google it) blog. His post is in reference to Siegel, and it's a fantastic blog all around.
Finkelstein's optimism about the break-up of American Zionism has given me a lot of hope; it's well expressed during the video on his website. This is the time to call out the remnants who hide behind the doors of synagogues, Hillels, and even university departments. They don't like to debate publicly, and now they'll like it even less. But they might have to when they see public opinion shifting, and they will be quite vulnerable.
Yeah, Rich, did the US hold Israel to the "standards that a cease-fire represents"? No. But you didn't have any problem with that, did you?
As for Israel not targeting civilians–Israel bombed a prison, a hospital, and a university. All war crimes.
Do you like the reputation you've earned here, of Israel's most useful idiot?
Gullible MM,
Israel kept its cease-fire obligations, as did Hamas for the majority of the period.
It was a basis of hope.
Richard:
If you are going to be an advocate of war, it would be more honest of you to say so.
Colin:
It is no longer a case of advocating for either war or peace. We are at war. Millions have died since the beginning of the embargo of Iraq. This conflict has become a serious threat to American national security. I advocate for whatever measures bring us closer to peace, and an end to the threat to my country. If insomnia for Israelis brings us closer to that goal, then break out the tambourines.
It is disingenuous to suggest that Hamas' rockets are 'war' and that the Israel colonization and occupation of Gaza, followed by a starvation blockade is not. Just because the beginning salvo is composed of closed border checkpoints instead of bullets, does make it any less of an attack. There will be no resolution to this conflict until Israelis internalize this. It should be patently obvious after 60 years that the Arabs will never surrender. They may be defeated, and driven out, which will is not an unlikely outcome in the West Bank, but the Israelis have failed to defeat them in Gaza. Hamas has already won the most difficult portion of the Gaza conflict, the ejection of the colonies. They are not fools, they know this. It is madness to think they will surrender now, with an armistice in sight. Israelis must actually negotiate for the first time to end the shooting there, and get a good night's sleep.
No, Hasbara Richard, part of the cease-fire arrangement brokered by Egypt was that the blockade on Gaza would be lifted and there would be no Israeli assaults on Gazan territory. Israel did not lift the blockade, and they violated the other provision in November.
I know that as a dishonest hasbara you hate facts, but without them your arguments will convince nobody. The Zionist's dilemma, if you will.
Gullible MM,
Israel certainly lifted restrictions on trade through the checkpoints periodically, so long as the cease-fire on civilians was consistently maintained, which it was for some periods, and ignored for others.
"Enough is enough" is a relevant conclusion for the shelling of civilians over a long period.
You are fantasizing about Americans' and westerners' reaction to the events. They are as confused as any rational person. They are torn, KNOWING that Hamas shelling is inhumane and a "malaria-carrying mosquito" (just a little one), and that Israeli military action is violent and traumatizing.
The west does NOT share your view of "solidarity" in the form of "by any means necessary".
They/we hold conditional solidarity. IF Hamas acts humanely, then others do and should act humanely towards them.
IF they act inhumanely, initiating war, then whining that war occurred, then they receive limited sympathy.
The Palestinian people deserve sympathy and help. Hamas deserves complaint.
Hamas shelling is actually completely legitimate, Twitty.
It's a right enshrined in international law to militarily respond to aggression in defense of one's people. Israel has stolen the land of these people and regularly targets Palestinian civilians for murder, torture and abuse, as the record compiled by Israeli human rights groups and others over a very, very long time, clearly demonstrates.
Enough is enough is correct. Palestinian ineffectual homemade junk rockets(except as a propaganda tool justifying genocide and ethnic cleansing) for a period of possibly a year – after 60 odd years of brutal military occupation in defiance of the entire international community.
I guess you forgot about that part, 'eah Twitty?
An honest mistake I'm sure…
@Colin Murray,
"I advocate for whatever measures bring us closer to peace, and an end to the threat to my country."
Those measures, at least those related to ending the threat to your country, will involve you and other patriots RISING UP and SMASHING those who hold US passports but whose loyaly lies with the oppressor in the Middle East. It will involve attacking,
physically attacking, institutions and organizations who condone this bloodshed, financed and condoned by the USA. After all the brainwashing we Americans have undergone, I don't know if it's possible. One thing seems clear to me, and that is that NO PRESSURE will be brought to bear on Israel from the US. All of this hopeless drivel that I read on this site about how Obama's silence could portend the change in Middle East policy, yada, yada, yada. Keep hoping boys and girls, but remember, the Wittys and SOGs just want to keep you talking, talking a big talk, but not walking the necessary walk.
PM
Nah, Paul. We'll find a civilized solution over here. We may foul everyone else's nests, but we'll keep our own clean.
"For peace and trust can win the day despite all you're losing." LZ III
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