AC writes:
Have you read this article on Netanyahu
in the Times of London? You don't have to read the whole thing; there's nothing
new in it if one has been paying attention. Just read the first and
eleventh paragraphs:
Under Netanyahu's plan, Palestinians would not have a sovereign state but self-governing, non-contiguous "population centres". He also proposes an "economic peace" that would improve living conditions for Palestinians in the hope that this would help moderate opinion to prevail.
You've got to respect this man for his honesty. It's refreshing. Let's not kid ourselves, all he's doing is describing the situation as it is and as it's been for decades: a one state solution with ethnic cleansing in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and "buffer zones"; apartheid in the West Bank and until recently in Gaza; and occupation, usurpation, and subjugation all over. Every single indication is that this will not change. Israeli policies will continue. The Palestinians will continue to resist. They might get insignificant concessions from Israel, but they can't force it to accept a single state, short of a F.W. De Klerk miracle-contrarian or a total military defeat, probably in a regional war (unlikely, to say the least).
But they have justice and demographics on their side. Once the usurpation and subjugation are complete, the Palestinians will either accept their their lot as a fait accompli, like the Native Americans, or, with the demographic reality manifest, mount a revolutionary movement for their rights, like the black Americans. One wishes that all the above were not true or probable.
The two-state solution is a farce. A sheer, utter, and stillborn farce. No one in Israel -- and certainly none of its governments -- want or wanted a two-state solution with an Arab state on their land. It's an affront to Zionism. They can't accept it. What the Israelis want are exotic little hamlets for the Palestinians, where the simple Arabs can set up their souks and barter and be content. Right. And all the blacks wanted were their separate-but-equal ghettos. And all the Native Americans wanted were their reservations.
The blacks got their inalienable rights recognized.The Native Americans? Well, they got casinos, right?
"population centres" — that would be Zio-speak for concentration camps.
please specify what you mean by "on their land". I think the problem with zionists is that they don't want Palestinians have a government on their [Palestinian] land.
What is interesting is that he "timid" pro-Palestinian, Zionist-traumatized politicians (e.g. Carter) are now trying to talk the Zionists to see "that Arabs will be populous and in your Israeli democracy you will be out numbered"
I am sure, however, that the doctrine for population reduction in Palestinian "reserves" is already written. I would volunteer to study the patterns of infertility emerging! Israeli's SYSTEMATIC annihilation of Arabs has not yet begun.
If they manage to spark a regional war, and they don't lose, expect ethnic cleansing.
It's the logic of Zionism.
*A Window for Israel/Palestine Peace?
Just Foreign Policy and Jewish Voice for Peace have launched a campaign to urge President Obama to reform U.S. policy toward the Palestinians so that George Mitchell's diplomacy can succeed: lift the blockade on Gaza, authorize U.S. diplomats to talk to Hamas officials, get serious about ending Israeli settlements in the West Bank, insist that US weapons supplied to Israel be only used for self-defense, as required by US law.
You can sign their letter here:
link to salsa.democracyinaction.org
Background:
link to huffingtonpost.com
*J Street: Defend 60 Minutes for Telling the Truth About Israeli Settlements in the West Bank
The CBS news program 60 minutes is under attack for stating the obvious about Israeli settlements in the West Bank: there can be a two-state solution, or there can be Israeli settlements in the West Bank, but not both.
Send a quick note to CBS to counter the right-wing flak.
link to salsa.wiredforchange.com
Interesting how seamlessly Netanyahu’s progressively fascist ideas integrate with A. Lieberman’s even further Right ideas on one side, and then Ehud Barak’s ideas on the other, going down the line to the Neocon/Neolib Zionists like Joe Lieberman and Rahm Emanuel in the U.S. It’s like they’re one big, single-minded group that only varies in slight degree.
This tribal group-think mentality provides yet another contrast with the (formerly) Christian West: with group think, no one has to take responsibility or accountability for the collective tribal echo-chamber decision, and all members can consequently hide behind or within the tribe when things go awry. Contrast this with Free Will Christianity, where every individual is forced to take responsibility for his own will or choice, and can’t hide behind the collective or blame the group for his decision.
Communism/Fascism/Zionism are simply technologically advanced varieties of primitive tribal Collectivist Group Think. In all four, the individual surrenders all moral accountability to the group, and takes no responsibility unto himself. This, consequently, leads to the collective projecting all blame on to the "other" when the group's decision goes awry.
Notice how organized Jewish Zionism is forever blaming non-Jews for its own incredibly stupid decisions. But it is by no means the only primitive tribal collectivist group.
Ed, you write good checks. Keep it up, we need you.
I am sure, however, that the doctrine for population reduction in Palestinian "reserves" is already written.
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I fear that the actual "Samson Option" will use genetic weapons. Israel has done much research into genomes and has sayan ready and willing to introduce these contagions anywhere desired (even more so should these sayan perceive Israel at catastrophic risk). The usual suspects would be blamed in this false-flag with the the ever ready help of a compliant media.
Antidotes will be for "friendly" nations only (if available at all).
Much has been written about the shrinking need for the labor class and the benefits to the environment of a reduced human population. This pandemic could be spun as an "act of God" with further proof that chosenites are indeed blessed.
Cheney continues to plant the memes that a WMD (bio, chem, nuke) terror attack will likely hit on Obama's watch because Dems are weak and want to punish the GOP for violating the Constitution. Such a false-flag attack will cement the perception that we must continue to let the foxes guard the henhouse.
Strap yourselves in because we're in for a very bumpy ride.
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Classic anti-Semitic story there Lance, absolutely classic. You rarely see the old "Jews spread disease and poison wells" shit anymore. Nice that the children get to see this example of authentic frontier gibberish.
Paranoid much Lance? BTW, Nice name there. Compensating for a "shortcoming" perhaps?
As for Naj's patterns of infertility. Have you been paying attention to the news at all? Nearly every story about Palestinians includes "and his/her 5-17 children, or and his/her 4-12 siblings". Gaza has one of the fastest growing populations in the world.
As for Israel wanting Gaza, they pulled out of Gaza in 2005. Israel moved thousands of Israelis out of there, some of them literally dragged and carried.
Most Israelis would be thrilled if a two-state solution were reached, as long as one of the two states was Israel.
The Israelis offered the Palestinians a two state solution with the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem as Palestine. Arafat turned them down flat.
You anti-Semites are insane.
Do all of you actually believe your paranoid rantings, or are you just hoping ignorant people will believe them?
Ed, you write good checks. Keep it up, we need you.
That means you are easily satisfied. I can't see why free will should be more Christian than e.g. Jewish
Not that this matters too many, since it's exactly the missing depth of his knowledge that allow him to drive his repetitive tale home. Knowledge could impede this kind of analysis or "good checks" that resemble "bad-checks". Never bother by contradictory data, never define your terms.
I keep wondering about Ed's knowledge of elementary Christian history, philosophy, its core principles. I doubt he has more than a superficial knowledge, let alone interests in the issues other than: Christians are non-Jews and non-lefties. Christian are good, Jews and lefties are evil.
Oh noes Antisemitism! Thanks Thom! Without Jews like you, we would never be aware of this insidious threat!
Poor LeaNder, forever in search of citations and official sanction in order to ground her thinking in “validity.” How Germanic. Daddy’s little fraulein won’t speak unless her words can be validated by some officially recognized dogma or hipster intellectual. Next you’ll be linking to Bernard-Henri Lévy.
German dogma has swung from gross anti-Semitism to gross philo-Semitism, and LeaNder just can’t stand it that some are coloring outside the lines. Quick, hurry up and pass another "Holocaust denial" censorship law.
I understand you’re comfortable with your left-liberal indoctrinated “bad us” post war identity, LeaNder, and are too intellectually rigid to change. Apparently the blinders work for you, and that’s alright.
Now run along and let the adults converse.
"forever in search of citations'
So, Ed, you believe that actual proof as foundation for opinion is over rated? Then you may become Weiss' next best friend.
However, I will go along with the best minds in research and insist on citiation.
Thom – Iraqi Jew Naeim Giladi wrote of it THE JEWS OF IRAQ
And I began to find out about the barbaric methods used to rid the fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. In the 1948 war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations, often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn't return to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.
Uri Mileshtin, an official historian for the Israeli Defense Force, has written and spoken about the use of bacteriological agents[1]. According to Mileshtin, Moshe Dayan, a division commander at the time, gave orders in 1948 to remove Arabs from their villages, bulldoze their homes, and render water wells unusable with typhus and dysentery bacteria.
Bacteriological Warfare
The Haganah put typhus bacteria into the water going to Acre, the people got sick, and the Jewish forces occupied Acre. This worked so well that they sent a Haganah division dressed as Arabs into Gaza, where there were Egyptian forces, and the Egyptians caught them putting two cans of bacteria, typhus and dysentery, into the water supply in wanton disregard of the civilian population.
Acre was so situated that it could practically defend itself with one big gun, so the Haganah put bacteria into the spring that fed the town. The spring was called Capri and it ran from the north near a kibbutz. The Haganah put typhus bacteria into the water going to Acre, the people got sick, and the Jewish forces occupied Acre. This worked so well that they sent a Haganah division dressed as Arabs into Gaza, where there were Egyptian forces, and the Egyptians caught them putting two cans of bacteria, typhus and dysentery, into the water supply in wanton disregard of the civilian population. "In war, there is no sentiment," one of the captured Haganah men was quoted as saying.
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Notice the operatives posing as Egyptians. Do you fail to remember the Mossad motto about deception?
Additionally, former IDF soldiers of "Breaking the Silence" told of contaminating the water cisterns of the houses they would take over as observation posts.
As to your "paranoid much?" question, Israelis have created an apartheid state on that very mindset.
Poor Ed, how could anybody with your ideological blinders be able to differentiate. Sorry, you will never see me cite anything by BHL.
Besides your invectives show that your hotly knit tale are ultimately empty. A future US neo-Christian universe, another Golden Age mythology, sold as politics:
This tribal group-think mentality provides yet another contrast with the (formerly) Christian West: with group think, no one has to take responsibility or accountability for the collective tribal echo-chamber decision, and all members can consequently hide behind or within the tribe when things go awry. Contrast this with Free Will Christianity, where every individual is forced to take responsibility for his own will or choice, and can’t hide behind the collective or blame the group for his decision.
Just hot air.
Chris, there are miles between Ed and Phil Weiss, miles.
Israel's Ethnic Weapon?
Wired News Report 1998-11-16
Israel is reportedly developing a biological weapon that would harm Arabs while leaving Jews unaffected, according to a report in London's Sunday Times.
The report, citing Israeli military and western intelligence sources, says that scientists are trying to identify distinctive genes carried by Arabs to create a genetically modified bacterium or virus.
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,16272,00.html
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Biowar and the Apartheid Legacy
Thursday, May 29, 2003
"In January 1999, the British Medical Association (BMA) began warning the world of the dangers of ethnic weapons. Although the report, "Biotechnology, Weapons and Humanity," made no direct charge, it said the BMA could no longer ignore the varied reports that such weapons were currently being developed. The report concluded: "Weapons could theoretically be developed which affect particular versions of genes clustered in specific ethnic or family groups." The possibilities of producing such weapons have been enhanced with the 2002 completion of the Human Genome Project.
The 1999 BMA study was provoked in part by a 1998 story in the London Sunday Times alleging that Israel already had developed a genetically specific weapon. "Unnamed South African sources," according to a report cited by the Times, "[say] Israeli scientists have used some of the South African research in trying to develop an 'ethnic bullet' against Arabs." Reported links between Israel's ethnic weapons and South Africa's Project Coast are tentative; some would say tenuous. But the possibility of such links is terrifying, and justifies as much scrutiny as was focused on Iraq's imaginary arsenal."
"A two-part story in the Washington Post on April 20 and 21 revealed that biological agents developed by the South African government during its apartheid days have fallen into private hands. Written by Post reporters Joby Warrick and John Mintz, the piece noted that unique, race-specific strains of biotoxins were available on the world market—for the right price or the right ideology."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0529-05.htm
might as well get the link in right:
Israel's Ethnic Weapon?
Wired News Report 11.16.98
Israel is reportedly developing a biological weapon that would harm Arabs while leaving Jews unaffected, according to a report in London's Sunday Times.
The report, citing Israeli military and western intelligence sources, says that scientists are trying to identify distinctive genes carried by Arabs to create a genetically modified bacterium or virus.
The "ethno-bomb" is reportedly Israel's response to the threat that Iraq may be just weeks away from completing its own biological weapons.
The "ethno-bomb" program is based at Israel's Nes Tziyona research facility. Scientists are trying to use viruses and bacteria to alter DNA inside living cells and attack only those cells bearing Arabic genes.
The task is very complex because both Arabs and Jews are Semitic peoples. But according to the report, the Israelis have succeeded in isolating particular characteristics of certain Arabs, "particularly the Iraqi people."
Dedi Zucker, a member of the Israeli parliament, denounced the research in the Sunday Times. "Morally, based on our history, and our tradition and our experience, such a weapon is monstrous and should be denied."
Last month, Foreign Report claimed that Israel was following in the ignominious footsteps of apartheid-era research, in their supposed efforts to develop an "ethnic bullet."
and ditto for the Common Dreams story:
Biowar and the Apartheid Legacy
Thursday, May 29, 2003
"In January 1999, the British Medical Association (BMA) began warning the world of the dangers of ethnic weapons. Although the report, "Biotechnology, Weapons and Humanity," made no direct charge, it said the BMA could no longer ignore the varied reports that such weapons were currently being developed. The report concluded: "Weapons could theoretically be developed which affect particular versions of genes clustered in specific ethnic or family groups." The possibilities of producing such weapons have been enhanced with the 2002 completion of the Human Genome Project.
The 1999 BMA study was provoked in part by a 1998 story in the London Sunday Times alleging that Israel already had developed a genetically specific weapon. "Unnamed South African sources," according to a report cited by the Times, "[say] Israeli scientists have used some of the South African research in trying to develop an 'ethnic bullet' against Arabs." Reported links between Israel's ethnic weapons and South Africa's Project Coast are tentative; some would say tenuous. But the possibility of such links is terrifying, and justifies as much scrutiny as was focused on Iraq's imaginary arsenal."
"A two-part story in the Washington Post on April 20 and 21 revealed that biological agents developed by the South African government during its apartheid days have fallen into private hands. Written by Post reporters Joby Warrick and John Mintz, the piece noted that unique, race-specific strains of biotoxins were available on the world market—for the right price or the right ideology."
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Hey LeaNder, what's your take on the latest 3 week Gaza destruction? Justifiable or no? Just asking. BTW, you have not backed up anything you say about Ed's POV. Where's your authority? Just hot air?
Also, LeaNder, so you think chris berel's comments show he goes along with the best minds in research and insists on supporting his POV with citiation? Or something a tad less?
And, do you think dividing the world into them and us as a starter
premise evidences a firm grasp of individuality? And, hence the responsibilities that come with it?
BTW, Nice name there. Compensating for a "shortcoming" perhaps?
Thom
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Nice of you to be concerned with my penis size. If you want to know more, ask your mom. She says I make her jaw hurt trying to get her lips around it. Your sister seems to be able to fit me in and more for some reason. I have to strap a board across my bum to keep from falling in.
Now that the juvenile sophistry is out of the way, will you concede that an Israeli genetic bug-bomb is more than just idle talk? (thanks to chimpsky for locating those links further below). I remember seeing references to the stories chimpsky mentioned, but thought you might appreciate the account coming from a Jewish source, about the founding of the Israeli state, no less.
Do you reject his citation of Uri Mileshtin? Was that a lie fabricated from whole cloth? (Well is it? I really want to know as I've cited Mr. Giladi before and woud hate to think that I'm propagating lies).
You however, Thom, do not seem to have any qualms whatsoever in disseminating misinformation.
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No. I'd like to hear more about you and my 70 year old sister. I'm sure she was very grateful.
After you're done describing your infantile acts, you might re-examine the medication you're taking. It appears that you are halucinating.
Wow, so we learn that Thom and Chris Berel are the same!?!
Chris/suzanne/thom?! What other pseudonym have you got? :))
THX for offering up *your* sister, berel-bot, but no thanks. She'd catch whatever I got from Thom's sister.
Or maybe is Naj pointed out, these so-called sisters are just you in a dress looking to "get lucky" as your multiple personalities must be hard to keep straight (though not so much for anyone else as you're all equally vacuous). I'm not really sure that there's any medication that would be effective for what you've got, chris, Thom, Suzanne.
Now that we've got that cleared up, you can ask your "Thom" personality if he/she/it/they concedes the reality of Israeli germ warfare and the danger of further biowarfare.
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…from Naeim Giladi …
"I began to find out about the barbaric methods used to rid the fledgling state(Israel) of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East.
In the 1948 war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations, often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn’t return to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.
Uri Mileshtin, an official historian for the Israeli Defense Force, has written and spoken about the use of bacteriological agents. According to Mileshtin, Moshe Dayan, a division commander at the time, gave orders in 1948 to remove Arabs from their villages, bulldoze their homes, and render water wells unusable with typhus and dysentery bacteria.
Hey LeaNder, what's your take on the latest 3 week Gaza destruction? Justifiable or no? Just asking.
This is an absolutely superfluous question. Did you ever see me support Israel's Gaza war?
BTW, you have not backed up anything you say about Ed's POV.
Well, I don't need to. I am allergic to stereotypical generalizations. … His vision of a Christian America doesn't comply with the America I like. I am simply not sure if his Christian ethics in the end turn out as the same 19th century double standards and authoritarian mindset that ultimately brought Zionism about.
Look, I may be wrong, but I sometimes wonder if he does not share the culture war vision with his enemies the neocons or the neocon mindset. If this is his enemy, hard to say considering his adversary shorthand. … His ideal state may be just as intolerant as the enemy he fights. That's my problem in a nutshell. Utopias and Dystopias are related.
I think experimenting with biological weapons is a Pandora's box that can blow up in Israel's face. This is because one fourth of the Ashkenazi Jewish population is known to carry gene mutations, making them less hardy than the rest of us.
These include:
Tay Sachs Disease
Canavan Disease
Niemann-Pick Disease
Gaucher Disease, Type I
Familial Dysautonomia
Bloom Syndrome
Fanconi anemia, Type C
Cystic Fibrosis
Mucolipidosis IV
In addition, Ashkenazi Jews have a high incidence of breast and ovarian cancer, as well as Alzheimer's Disease.
It's been proposed that the concentration of these genetic diseases in the Ashkenazi genome is a result of extensive inbreeding in Eastern Europe approximately 500 years ago.
Since this population is very homogeneous there is the danger of unforeseen effects of biological weapons quickly decimating the un-intended target.
The Native American population was also very homogenous, compared to the European invaders, and disease is thought to have played a greater part in their demise than weapons.
I note LeaNder’s repeated emphasis on the pro-Christian component of my observations and her accusatory tone, as if it is somehow evidence of profound guilt…as if Christianity is not the basis of the very civilization in which she subsists. This is how brainwashed many Europeans have become by left-liberalism, which is clearly the root of their suicidal tendencies.
The left-liberals are apparently convinced that primitive tribalism is morally superior to Christianity. No wonder Zionism has historically enjoyed such support amongst the left-liberals. But today they’re a bit perturbed that Zionism isn’t fulfilling the savage nobility that their dogma said it would. Unfortunately for them, at this point the dimwit Baby Boomer left-liberals have chugged far too much kool-aid to ever turn back.
I would be interested to know what LeaNder’s reaction to Weiss would be if she found out that he weren’t really Jewish — let’s say it turned out he had been switched at birth in the baby ward. Suddenly his profundity would likely disappear, and she would probably immediately begin screeching about what an evil antisemite he is — how it must be in his Christian blood. But such is the intellectual incoherence and self-contradictory nature of left-liberalism and all of the other Zionist useful idiot belief systems.
@Ana
Well, inbreeding in the sense of a relatively small population, not in the sense of incest, sure.
I don't think you are right about the Native Americans. The reason the diseases from Europe wiped so many of them out was that they had no immunity to them and cities breed nastier diseases than scattered small villages.
Of course, the deliberate infection of the Natives with smallpox by the Europeans didn't help the situation any.
@stubby
As for this nonsense about bioweapons, it is sci-fi bullshit. There is more variation within any racial group than between racial groups. Any disease that would hit Arabs would hit Jews and everyone else.
As I said, classic anti-Semitic libels about Jews. Good old-fashioned hate.
I would be interested to know what LeaNder’s reaction to Weiss would be if she found out that he weren’t really Jewish — let’s say it turned out he had been switched at birth in the baby ward.
What difference would that make? Wouldn't the same processes have shaped him that he discusses here? Gene or meme?
Suddenly his profundity would likely disappear, and she would probably immediately begin screeching about what an evil antisemite he is — how it must be in his Christian blood.
Could you give me an example were Phil claims profound knowledge. Isn't he more reacting to ideological currents that disturb him deeply?
Can you give one example were I called someone an antisemite?
And concerning this:
I note LeaNder’s repeated emphasis on the pro-Christian component of my observations and her accusatory tone, as if it is somehow evidence of profound guilt…as if Christianity is not the basis of the very civilization in which she subsists. This is how brainwashed many Europeans have become by left-liberalism, which is clearly the root of their suicidal tendencies.
Again: I am wondering what positive vision what exact features your neo-Christian Utopia includes. I am supposing you know the discussions over the centuries of the ideal state? You never tell, but only imply that the world would be a better place if Christians dictated the rules. What historical evidence can you provide for your view?
Isn't it part of the US tradition that people are free to practice whatever faith? Or would you prefer to return to the 19th century reeducation programs of e.g. Indians, Christians trying to "brainwash" native kids in residential schools in Canada, for all non-Christians? Were they were thaught that they were of inferior decent, and thus less worthy human beings? Do you think that was Christian? What is your take of e.g. the Crusades, witch hunts, inquisition? Has that nothing to do with the Christian tradition?
What would you consider the core of a Christian ethic?
I am not a tribalist, I am a hardcore outsider in many respects. Even in your European prejudices you are not that far from the Neocons.
The Neocons were once Leftists, just like you LeaNder, and shared your anti-Christian prejudices. They still do, only now they are better at concealing it for their Zionist political agenda purposes. It is your Statist-centered, social-engineering thinking that is conducive to Neoconservatism.
As for the rest of your screed, I have always made clear that I am a libertarian, so I have absolutely no idea what you are prattling about. Apparently all your fears are a fantastical product of your brainwashed, left-liberal, State-engineered mind.
Just like the Jewish Zionists, you left-liberal drones see a persecutorial Christian around every corner and under every rock, even though Christianity has always been the basis of Western civilization, which is why both you and the Jewish Zionists hate it. In your case, the neurosis is almost Jewish Zionist in its tenacity. You and your like-minded anti-Christians really ought to get some kind of psychiatric care.