You can hear an American woman wailing and crying, "Oh god, say something," to the unconscious and brutally-wounded Tristan Anderson on this graphic video taken by the International Solidarity Movement of the shooting of the 37-year-old Californian by an Israeli soldier during nonviolent protests of the Israeli wall in Ni'lin yesterday. Maybe it's Anderson's companion Gabrielle Silverman. Praying for his good health. Anderson, left, from ISM.
The wailing of the woman broke my heart. :( Praying for Tristan and his family. Hopefully he will recover soon.
My wife and I are praying for Tristan and Gabrielle.
What is amazing in this video is that right after the demonstrators rush over with a big orange stretcher to carry Tristan Anderson our of the killing field, yet another tear gas cannister explodes in the middle of the rescuers. The IDF tear gassed the people trying to save a wounded man.
This country needs to start prosecuting Americans who run off to join the IDF. We prosecute people who join other terror organizations. Maybe we ought to think about putting the IDF to the prohibited listen, along with the Taliban and all the other nutcake terror squads.
Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, why don't you hump your pasty Jewish Zionist asses out of your bachelor pad and explain to Americans why you're financing the Israelis to put holes in the heads of their fellow Americans, damn you.
Let the world see that everyone, from every nation, is fair game for the IDF.
Imam Al-Hams, Palestine
Lymor Goldstein, Israel
Rachel Corrie, United States
James Miller, United Kingdom
Du Zhaoyu, China
Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, Canada
Etc.
Death to the Israelis—filth from the toilet and monstrous disgrace to world Jewry.
Its a great tragedy, but AGAIN your description is different than the reality. It was reported earlier that what occurred was a tear gas cannister was shot at a crowd to disperse the crowd, and hit a random individual.
Your reporting made it sound like he was targeted.
Is it the truth that he was targeted?
"Ulrika Jenson, an International Solidarity Movement activist, said troops fired tear gas canisters into the crowd from A HILL ABOVE."
Maybe Witty will explain why the Palestinians are routinely accused of "targeting civilians" with rockets incapable of "targeting" anything whatsoever.
By contrast, firing high velocity tear gas canisters into a crowd of protesters is indisputably "targeting civilians" even if the identity of the exact victim was not known in advance.
Witty, the point I was making is that after the IDF put down Tristan Anderson with a cannister to the face, his friends ran to rescue him carrying a bright orange stretcher. This was impossible to mistake. But instead of holding fire, the IDF put another tear gas cannister right at the feet of the people trying to rescue him. Their goal apparently was to make it as difficult as possible for him to reach medical care.
No matter how you slice and dice it, none of this looks morally defensible to the average viewer. Which is actually a good thing. The next time America gets itself in another war fewer Israel-firsters will be tempted by hackworn phrases like purity of arms to go fight for Israel instead of America.
– Teah Lunqvist (Sweden) – International Solidarity Movement
Israeli activist Jonathan Pollack told Ynet:
Witty, why was the IDF "dispersing" a "crowd" from their own village? They were not at the fence, they were in their own village. The IDF used a high velocity gas canister and fired it directly at someone who was not threatening them in any way, and was apparently at some distance and below them. I don't see any description of the event that is inaccurate here. Then they fired another teargas canister towards the people who were attempting to help Anderson. Why? Why did the IDF delay an ISRAELI ambulance attempting to reach the victim? (It's clearly an Israeli ambulance in the video.)
This is not the first critical injury caused by the IDF in the village of Ni'lin:
More from Israeli activist Jonathan Pollock:
http://cbs5.com/localwire/22.0.html?type=bcn&item=SOMEWHAT-AT-RISK-baglm
I know Jonathan Pollock well enough to trust him and his description of events.
A member of the group that Jonathan Pollock belongs to, Anarchists Against the Wall, came down to Houston and gave a very well put together presentation of their activities accompanied by videos and pictures. His name is Schachf. He was cute, too.
Schachf said that if IDF follows its own regulations on crowd dispersal then there wouldn't be as many casualties, and even deaths. But, he says, being in the IDF for two years and then being on the receiving end of the gun and being shot at (he had scars to show for it), he is a witness to the fact that IDF does not follow its own regulations.
I was commenting of Phil's posting, which as I stated appeared to me to be a distortion rather than information.
"he is a witness to the fact that IDF does not follow its own regulations"
Good point.
It is well-established that Israeli soldiers target civilians. Hence the many children who died from execution-style shots to the head in Gaza this past winter. Read: "Exceptions: Prosecution of IDF soldiers during and after the Second Intifada, 2000-2007" to learn more about how the laughable IDF investigation will soon deem the shooting of this unarmed civilian unintentional. yesh-din.org/sys/images/File/ExceptionsSummaryEng%5B1%5D.pdf
In no other country in the world would the shooting of a US civilian by the local authorities pass without mention.
May Anderson recover soon, and may someone please for once raise a stink about this attack.
Actions have consequences. I wonder how Ed would feel if this brain dead asshole had been, say, a Dutch activist campaigning for arizona to be "returned" to Mexico?
I don't remember any of the brown-shirted neoNazis being shot in Skokie. Nor any of the counter demonstrators, many actual
holocaust survivors. Same when the march took place in Marquette Park. Has the world changed so much
we should now shoot somebody with a sign saying "Arizona 2 Mexico"?
Jerusalem—-May 2….Palestinian terrorists murdered 4 young Jewish children and their pregnant mother this afternoon. The terror attack targeted the family vehicle while it was traveling on the road that leads to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif.
Another Israeli civilian traveling in a separate car suffered moderate gunfire wounds in the attack near the Netzer Hazani settlement.
The terrorists arrived by car from the nearby Palestinian village of Dir al Ballah and began to fire at passing Israeli vehicles, consequently killing the mother and her four children. Another Israeli traveling in the opposite direction, was also wounded.
After spraying the station wagen with bullets, the Palestinian terrorists walked up to the 4 terrified little girls and shot each one of them twice in the head, police said. The 8-month-old pregnant mother was shot in her belly at point blank range as she tried to cover her children
The Palestinian resistance committees said the attack was in response to Israel's recent assassinations of the founder of the Hamas militant group, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, and his successor, Abdel Aziz Rantisi.
"The attack is part of the Palestinian reprisals for the daily crimes committed by the Israeli army against the Palestinian people, especially the killings of Yassin and Rantisi," the group said.
Wnderful rational. Citizen has just admitted that the palestinians target pregnant women and children in reprisal attacks as revenge when male warriors are killed by Jews.
I'd say you've just proved that living with Palesitnians is not desirable. What do they do if you accidentally cut their side of the lawn? Kill your dog?
"The IDF says the area where the protests take place is a closed military zone off-limits to demonstrations.
About 400 protesters turned out in Nil'in on Friday, according to the IDF. Some of them hurled rocks at troops, who used riot gear to quell the unrest, it added, without elaborating."
link to jpost.com
If you look for trouble it will find you.
Steve R.–
If an unarmed Dutch protestor was killed by authorities while protesting for the return of Arizona to Mexico, I can assure you that there would be a national outcry and prosecution.
You would think those American lovers of Israel could should a modicum of respect and, at minimum, just STFU when a fellow American trying to make a positive difference is brutally targeted by the IDF.
This and these same peoples who callously insulted Rachel Corrie for being brutally murdered by the IDF are a complete disgrace to America and Americans.
It's hard to believe one could be so low….
But not from ED, which was the whole point of the comment. Additionally, had he been among a group of violent protesters or in a barred area, Americans would feel bad but would not prosecute the border police.
Violent protesters?
"The IDF says.."???
Are you American, Julian?
Chris?
Fax a copy of the article to your conggressman/woman and senators with a cover letter explaining your concerns.
Counter lobby.
well, well… three long comments by me have disappeared from here altogether. It's interesting how completely subjective censorship can be.
I noticed the same thing at Haaretz, actually: I posted a comment to a story about Qumran to point out that their claim that "many scholars" support the idea that Jesus was involved with Qumran was simply wrong, and they rejected it simply because it didn't fit on their little hobby-horse of the day.
campaigning for Arizona to be "returned" to Mexico?
I live in a city that has many protests against the institutional harassment against immigrants, and the pigs use little force against the protesters. They save their Israeli rage for the immigrants and Americans who resemble immigrants.
There was a much longer video segment on Jeera: there was absolutely no reason to fire at all, the demo was peaceful (apparently there had been clashes before) and the douchebags from the AOF were firing from the hip at demonstrators that were no danger to them whatsoever. These uniformed kids were behaving like the riot police in any totalitarian state. Sons of b*tch*s is all I can say…
This country needs to start prosecuting Americans who run off to join the IDF. We prosecute people who join other terror organizations. Maybe we ought to think about putting the IDF to the prohibited list, along with the Taliban and all the other nutcake terror squads.
***I thought serving with any foreign army or government resulted in revocation of citizenship from the United States. If the IDF has any immunity from this, it would be a serious violation indeed, not to mention a direct state sponsorship of Israel's policies.
Jerusalem—-May 2….Palestinian terrorists murdered 4 young Jewish children and their pregnant mother this afternoon. The terror attack targeted the family vehicle while it was traveling on the road that leads to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif.
Another Israeli civilian traveling in a separate car suffered moderate gunfire wounds in the attack near the Netzer Hazani settlement.
The terrorists arrived by car from the nearby Palestinian village of Dir al Ballah and began to fire at passing Israeli vehicles, consequently killing the mother and her four children. Another Israeli traveling in the opposite direction, was also wounded.
After spraying the station wagen with bullets, the Palestinian terrorists walked up to the 4 terrified little girls and shot each one of them twice in the head, police said. The 8-month-old pregnant mother was shot in her belly at point blank range as she tried to cover her children
***January 2, 2009.
Zainab,
We are sorry to inform you, but Mahmoud passed away from his injuries yesterday morning. Please pray for your uncle Hassan as his condition is worsening. Yasmin is in a stable condition. However, we are pleased to tell you that Samira and Hanan are recovered and were released. Our family has suffered a great loss, but do not let that anger you. They were martyrs in a great struggle that began long before we were born and will end only until we are liberated from the occupation. They didn't die needlessly. We hope you and your family will not be disheartened. We will update you whenever we can.
We love you very much,
Jamila, Dawoud, Hala, Moustapha, and Salima
This was an email I received the day after New Year's. 4 days later I received a phone call telling me that my 6 year old cousin Yasmin was dead. She was fine the day they sent the email but she died later that week. None of these people were fighting, they were simply at home winding down for the night when a bomb fell on the building next to their home and destroyed several surrounding buildings, including their home. Mahmoud was 14, and my uncle Hassan was 37. They were seriously injured in the blast and later died from their injuries.
But Chris, you don't give a shit because they're not white like you. Do you, ZioPuke? You only care for those who are like you. We "sand monkeys" are not more than dogs to you.
What do I say to that?
I say, "Suck it, Whitey."
Wow, the anti-Semite crowd is pulling out the "an American" card. There are 300 million of us here in America. Some percentage of that are going to be idiots. John Walker Lindh (sp?) is an American who thought he was trying to make a positive difference by being a traitor to America. Charles Manson is an American who thought he was making a positive difference by murdering a bunch of people. Rachel Corrie was an American who thought she was making a positive difference by helping terrorists smuggle weapons. This latest guy thought he was making a positive difference by being part of a mob that was attacking soldiers and going into an off limits area. Just because someone is an American doesn't mean they are automatically noble, just, and righteous.
Zainab, very sorry for your tragic loss. With the blogosphere, many Americans are waking up to their government's vast conspiracy with hard-right Zionists who use Nazi-like tactics supported by guys like Chris Berel and Richard Witty (maybe the same poster for all we know).
Operation Lead Cast was a high-tech Nazi-style ethnic cleansing, and it was paid for with my tax dollars. It used weaponry that was created by my government's defense contractors, and used against a defenseless civilian population. My government continues to promote the colonization of Palestine, which can only be accomplished by a US-taxpayer-funded ethnic cleansing.
Zainab, not all Americans are as intolerant or deceitful as Chris Berel. Phil Weiss is an American hero for maintaining this board, which is the first opportunity for many of us to tell the US government to cease and desist in its complicity of the annihilation of the Palestinian people.
I mourn for your loss today, and apologize for the insensitivities of Zionist-first Americans like Chris Berel.
As for those of you who want to see what the IDF is doing to American conscientious objectors, watch what they did to Tristan Anderson — again, using the tax dollars of American citizens to critically wound another American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NmAc2BwtI&eurl=link to palsolidarity.org
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John Walker Lindh's betrayal of America is equal to Rahm Emmanuel's treason, and every American's who serves in the Israeli Defense Force. All of the Americans living in the settlement colonies outside of the 1947 borders established by the UN and all of the Americans in the IDF should receive twenty year prison sentences to be served in federal penitentiaries.
It is time to build a wall around Israel's 1947 borders, so that Israel can no longer impose their military dictatorship, with US arms, against Palestinians.
"Rachel Corrie was an American who thought she was making a positive difference by helping terrorists smuggle weapons."
Wow, the loser crowd is pulling the "utter bullshit but who cares because I love Israel" card.
You see, you little morally retarded gnat, what really tends to upset Americans is the immediate attempt to smear a fellow American by 1)lying and 2) questioning the motivations of the victim, as if it matters when an unarmed civilian is purposely targeted – regardless of the area he was in.
Anyway – it's good that people can read your crap, because it really demonstrates the kind of people are those that brag and boast about what good friends Israel and America are. When the first reaction before the blood has even dried, is to poor scorn on a American life destroyed.
You forgot Thom, who is a virulent racist and an obvious puddle of ZioPuke.
Rachel Corrie did not smuggle weapons. She was a peace activist. Stop this Arab=Terror thing. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
I don't like the Ku Klux Klan, but you seem to think they're pretty nifty. Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, they all think the other's stinks, and a lot are just creating piles of shit that future generations will have to shovel away to create progress. Kinda like you Thom. Your opinion is creating a divisive pile of shit that stinks to high heaven. People like you are the reason my kid came home from school every day crying because some ignorant prick called her a "sand monkey". Hopefully when my kids are grown up and running their own lives they won't have to deal with dicks like you making the world a harder place to live in.
Maybe they'll sterilize ZioPricks like you so you don't pollute the gene pool any further with your crap.
I want to warn those of you who may be getting overly identified with Phil Weiss’ frame of reference that things are not what they seem.
The real issue is this: Israel is in the process of breaking away from the Anglo-American axis, in favour of a Eurasist axis. Do not allow yourselves to become distracted by the false left/right dichotomies presented on MondoWeiss, or in the mainstream press, whether originating from the US, the UK, or Israel itself.
The key to understanding the difference is not ideological but geopolitical: the Eurasist axis is based on land power, not on sea power. The immediate consequence of this is that Israel must no longer be seen as a ‘bridgehead’ into Eurasia, whether this is presented as justified by ‘liberal’ values or by ‘conservative’ ones.
Thus, the left/right fights in the press are profoundly deceptive, and in fact, staged distractions. That explains why MondoWeiss allows so many mechanical right-wing trolls to keep posting there — it is to drag you into the displaced frame of reference of their staged left/right ‘conflict’.
My heat goes out to Tristan Anderson, and his family, friends, loved ones, and fellow activists. What an incredible person and American.
It amazes me (though not surprises me) that not only are so many indifferent to his being gravely injured, but are actually cheering his shooting. Their fervor is so great, you'd think they'd jump at the chance to go join the IDF in brutalizing/killing some 'troublemakers' themselves, so convinced are they that the IDF is on the side of the angels, and non-violent protesters are bent on wiping out Israel and all its Jews.
Instead, it's like they're a special platoon within the 101st Fighting Keyboardists Division (a group of notorious Reich Wing cowards and blowhards). I have no doubt that our own "rear area mofo's" have many a purple heart pinned to their battle-jammies for calloused fingers and broken nails, as they furiously type out their verbal barrages (even when all salvos are clearly duds). The 'bravery' of their action behind the lines goes largely unrecognized, as most come off as well as the Black Night in Monty Python's "Holy Grail." After having the entirety of their limbs hacked off without even drawing blood themselves, they proceed to lick their wounds and mumble, "All right, we'll call it a draw.
I believe that what we are seeing is a sliding of Israel – as a collective – down a slippery slope towards a point of no return. The end point will not a morality-free zone, but a dark place of highly selective morality – where, like settler-only roads, there'll be compassion only for their own. You can see some of that in the outpouring of support for Shalit and the minimal support for an arab doctor who lost several daughters. You can see that in soldiers preventing ambulances from treating the injured – the same soldiers who'd push an ambulance uphill with their bare hands were it one of their "own". You really see that in the universal refusal to acknowledge the horror of killing so many children in gaza by so many citizens of israel. Just like the shutting off of any comment regarding the huge price paid by Iraqi civilians for the US invasion. The israelis hope that they'll be able to get away with herding their modern day Indians into reservations. Problem is, palestinians are not Indians, israelis do not have the numbers, and modern warfare has a far lower threshold of admission into the club.
It's a slow process that's been going on for quite a while now. That there's still Haaretz indicates the end point is still some distance away in time. But even haaretz is changing, something that's clear for those who've been following. And Lieberman will be in the government – though not as FM, I hear. That'll happen later.
our goal here, on this blog, should be to help prevent this sad – and dangerous – process from infecting all of the US, Jewry and all. the infection has already paralysed sections of the jewish community – which is on its way to splitting up at the seams. Can call that "Watching Witty on the fence". Hither and thither he drifts, slithering between the rain drops. I expect that one of these days, witty will crack from the weight of all that cognitive dissonance. That's when we'll know. keep posting witty – we need our barometer…..
protest suicide bombers instead.
The fact is, Tristian's own friends are quoted on the Palestinian Solidarity Groups own web site as admitting there was stone throwing going on, so any attempt to deny there was stone throwing is foolish. Time for the Israeli bashers to admit there was stonethrowing, and the Israeli cops responded just like American cops, or Canadian cops, or even Swedish cops would have, with what western democratic police forces all consider a non-violent crown control measure i.e. tear gas, and this guy was unfortunately hit with a 10000 to 1 very unlucky shot to the skull. Condolences to the family.
Quote from the Palsolidarity web site:
"Eyewitness Israeli activist Jonathan Pollack said: He didn’t throw stones and wasn’t standing next to the stone throwers."
Our cowardly Congress will not even conduct an investigation. Wait and see.
It is no more appropriate for Americans to join the IDF than it is to join Al Queda.
I'm sorry I claimed up above in this thread that 'three long comments' by me had been deleted. I had confused this thread with the first thread about the shot US guy:
link to philipweiss.org
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which is where in fact I had posted them, well out of the way so to speak.
Americans do call our cops to account, and have done so since the days of "police[pig] brutality" beginning in the early 1960's. And Remember Kent State? Three of the 4 students killed were jews. BTW, anyone who would equate Rachel Corrie with Charles Manson as misguided idealists is seriously lacking brain power. The analogy stool there has no legs at all, yet alone all four.
@Zainab al-Ashkar
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm no racist. I have nothing against Arabs as a race, or Muslims as a religion.
You OTOH seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Jews.
Rachel Corrie was at best a dupe for terrorists and at worst a supporter of terrorists. She was trying to protect a weapon smuggling tunnel when she died from not realizing that orange is not a frequency of light that penetrates metal.
I think your own statement as an Arab supporting terrorism "Stop this Arab=Terror thing. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." probably does more to cause the racist treatment that your daughter receives than anything I do. I have never called any Arab or Muslim by a racist epithet.
For the record, one man's terrorist is not another man's freedom fighter, unless the other man is a supporter of terrorism.
Terrorism is the targeting of civilians for attacks. Note, not the accidental or incidental killing of civilians during legitimate military operations, just the targeting of civilians themselves.
No matter what your cause is, if you are targeting civilians, you are a terrorist, not a freedom fighter.
You said "I don't like the Ku Klux Klan, but you seem to think they're pretty nifty". ROFL. Before 9/11 the sheetheads of the KKK would kill me before they'd kill you. Now they might wait until after they killed you before killing me.
You said "people like you are the reason my kid came home from school every day crying because some ignorant prick called her a 'sand monkey'."
Actually, the reason your kid got called that was a combination of the extensive history of Arab/Muslim terrorism combined with the idiocy of her classmates in thinking that just because most current terrorists are Muslim and/or Arab that that means that most Muslims and/or Arabs are terrorists. Of course, your vocal (technically written) support of terrorism here does not help the situation.
You said "hopefully when my kids are grown up and running their own lives they won't have to deal with dicks like you making the world a harder place to live in.".
Why, because your "freedom fighters" will have killed everyone who thinks Israel should exist?
You said "maybe they'll sterilize ZioPricks like you so you don't pollute the gene pool any further with your crap."
Yeah, no racism from you, asshole. Classic Nazi solution there.
The main effect of Mr. Anderson's American citizenship is that probably Israel will not prosecute and imprison him for aiding and abetting a riot. I think he violated the terms under which Americans can legally go over there and I would be pleased to see the United States find a way to prosecute him.
I'm sorry the man was hurt. But he injected himself into a foreign dispute on the side of our country's enemies and he was accidentally injured. He should bear the guilt and the consequences of his actions.