I've always loved Haruki Murakami's story about the destruction of the animals in a zoo in Manchukuo, occupied Manchuria, by Japanese soldiers at the end of WW2. Well, below is Jack Shenker's report on the destruction of animals in the Gaza Zoo, from Guernica Magazine. Read Shenker's whole piece, it's great and precise, the way this is. The photo is by Jason Larkin.
Gaza Zoo opened in 2005 and used to attract up to a thousand
visitors daily before the war. “It’s school groups mainly,” says
assistant zookeeper Saleem Bedowi. “The children need this sort of
leisure activity to distract them from the troubles they face in their
daily lives.” Populated largely with birds, monkeys, reptiles, and farm
animals smuggled through Egyptian border tunnels, the zoo was occupied
by Israeli forces following the start of the ground invasion. Nearly
all of its occupants now lie dead.
Many of the creatures on display were hit by missile attacks during
the opening days of the war, including the zoo’s pregnant camel. Others
succumbed to starvation as the war dragged on; the presence of Israeli
troops on the premises prevented the zookeepers from reaching the
animals and feeding them. A few, including one horse, appear to have
been shot dead by soldiers at point-blank range. Those that survived
the conflict did so by eating the corpses of their brothers and
sisters. “When the Israelis withdrew and I finally made it back inside,
the only animals left alive were crazed with hunger and traumatized by
all the death around them,” says Mr. Bedowi. “They are all terrified
now, even the lions.”
Saher, a five-year-old male lion, and Sabreen, his pregnant
companion, apparently endured the chaos by feeding on the zoo’s small
ostrich population. When Mr. Bedowi returned to the zoo, the lions’
enclosure was empty; he eventually found the pair cowering in the
toilets of the zoo’s administrative building. Graffiti now adorns the
walls of the block, including the message “You lost” scrawled in Hebrew.
In all, 90 percent of the animals died in the conflict, $200,000 of
physical damage was done to the zoo, and the ten families who rely on
the institution for employment are facing an uncertain future. “What
crime did these animals commit?” asks Mr. Bedowi. Israeli sources claim
that the zoo had been booby-trapped by Hamas fighters, making it a
legitimate military target.
RE: With 90% of his animals dead, Gaza zookeeper asks, 'What crime did these animals commit?' MY COMMENT: "I kill; therefore I exist!" TWO RELATED ARTICLES – ***"Killing Donkeys for Sport: Time-Honored IDF Tradition", by Richard Silverstein, O2/05/09*** In my grad school days I pursued a PhD in Hebrew literature. One of the most powerful literary evocations of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was in the writing of S. Yizhar. I even prepared a translation of his novella Hirbet Hiza–(recently published in English and featured here) about the decimation of an Arab village during the 1948 war–I loved the work so. One of the hallmarks of Yizhar’s writing was an affinity for portraying the small-talk, ennui and cruelty of the Israeli soldier pulling duty in villages like this one. One of the more compelling portrayals is a story of a soldier killing an Arab donkey for sport. What shocks is partly the cruelty and depravity of the act; the pleasure the soldier takes in showering it with bullets and watching its death throes; the relief from boredom it provides…. ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.counterpunch.org/beattie02062009.html ***A Nation of Animal Lovers Closes Its Eyes to the Massacre at the Gaza Zoo*** "At the Zoo", By MISSY COMLEY BEATTIE, CounterPunch, February 6-8, 2009 For days, the mainstream media talked endlessly about it. Michael Vick. Dogfighting. Blood sport. Killing animals that underperformed. Many defended the professional athlete. Others thought Vick should receive the maximum sentence after his conviction. Some of us shook our heads, repulsed by the cruelty, but we were utterly dismayed that so many people who expressed outrage over Vick’s crime, seemed to pay little or no attention to the killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, we’re a nation of animal lovers. And, we’re enamored of our sports heroes. Certainly, the Michael Vick/dog abuse narrative was a juicy plate of filet mignon for infotainment peddlers to place upon our television trays. These are the same “reporters” who seldom mention US troop deaths and who never talk about the estimated million plus Iraqi civilians who have died since the occupation of Iraq. So, why, then, given our attraction to animal stories, were news anchors silent on the massacre at the Gaza Zoo by Israeli troops who shot and killed caged animals during Israel’s recent assault on Gaza? The answer, of course, is that we’re supposed to believe that Israeli troops are the good guys… ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.counterpunch.org/beattie02062009.html
RE: "Israeli sources claim that the zoo had been booby-trapped by Hamas fighters, making it a legitimate military target." MY COMMENT: Israel has essentially become a sociopath (with 'nukes'). It lacks the capacity to empathize with "others"; consequently, it is not capable of seeing "others" as having been wronged. If they were to apologize (express regret), it would just be a pro forma apology. Israel is unable to perceive (or at least acknowledge) the negative repercussions of its actions. Israel is one very, very sick puppy.
DICKERSON3870, my sentiments exactly.
Clearly these animals were Islamofascist-antisemitic-Nazi terrorists.
Phill, I think we should contact PETA!! It's a good opportunity to get them aboard the anti-aparthied train.
DICKERSON3870, your first quote sounds like the Iraqi soldiers in Kuwait, though they ate a bunch of the animals. At least they were able to be bribed so these people could feed them in time. ***Occupying Iraqi soldiers ate the fallow deer, the eland and the dorcas gazelle. They roasted 28 wild boar, an African porcupine and a newborn water buffalo. For sport, the soldiers set two griffon vultures on fire, shot a lion in its paw and shattered a monkey's leg with a bullet. All in all, only 30 of the 442 animals that once lived in the seven-acre Kuwait Zoo—used as a barracks by Iraqi soldiers after the invasion—are still alive. Yet, were it not for the efforts of two gentle Kuwaitis-Ali Mubarak al-Hohti, 35, a sanitation ministry inspector and father of four and his brother, Suliman. 30, a motorcycle policeman with three children-even more of the animals would have perished.
oops, the rest… From the second week of the seven-month Iraqi siege, the two brothers, who have been visiting the zoo since childhood, acted as volunteer caretakers. They begged at markets for rotting food and bribed Iraqi soldiers to allow them to feed the animals. ""Once, when the soldiers don't let us come for a week, we think the animals are so thirsty, so hungry:' says Ali. "My friend, Aziza, the elephant [now recovering from a bullet in her shoulder], when she see me finally, she cry. It is bad, so bad, that these sweet animals die." Days after the war ended, the al-Hohti brothers were joined in their relief efforts by John Walsh, international projects director of the London-based World Society for the Protection of Animals. Since then, American troops have provided antibiotics and veterinary services, and corporations from around the world have donated a full stock of animal feed and supplies. Full article: People, 1991
So Israel is on a par with Saddam Hussein's Iraq? You must be very, very proud!
To my way of thinking, it makes a lot more sense to kill animals to eat them than to kill them merely for the pleasure (or sexual gratification) of killing them. But then, I'm pretty much a vegetarian.
"Israeli sources claim that the zoo had been booby-trapped by Hamas fighters, making it a legitimate military target." Do people really believe this? That's not even good propaganda.
RE: "Do people really believe this?" MY COMMENT: I think most rational, well-informed people recognize verbal excrement when they hear it. I don't pay much attention to what the U.S. military says either.
RE: "With 90% of his animals dead, Gaza zookeeper asks, 'What crime did these animals commit?'' MY COMMENT: I suppose they might have been 'animal sacrifices' offered up unto "The One (and Only) True God" by the Israeli soldiers.
Dickerson3870, I read once that when the Temple is built, for which they have made a HUGE menhorah to decorate with, Jews will resort to animal sacrifices. They must have been practicing.
Yes, but supposedly they must sacrifice a "perfect, red heifer" (no more than 2 years of age, I think). Some 'fundies' in Texas are trying to breed a "perfect, red heifer" for the sacrifice. FROM THE 'FUNDIES': "The Jewish Rabbis must have a "perfect" Red Heifer for purification of the Temple. Without the Red Heifer there can be no purification and without purification there can be no Temple worship. The Red Heifer affords the opportunity to build the Jewish Temple, which as of this day (07-03-2002) does not exist." SOURCE – http://jesus-is-the-way.com/RedHeifer.html
hmmmm…does it really have to be red as RED? That doens't make sense. Cows aren't red. Only Texas would do something like that. DO you think genetic engineering could play a role in producing the perfect red heifer if one isn't bred though normal means?
FROM THE SAME 'FUNDIE' SITE: 03-31-2004 In a related development- A friend of mine recently was returning from a trip to Paris on business and he met the well known Jimmy DeYoung (Bible teacher who lives in Israel) and got a chance to ask him one question- "Is the ark of covenant under the Dome of the Rock?" Jimmy's answer- He "knows" from the rabbis that it IS under the Dome. End 03-31-2004
SEE – http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=pasto...
PS. ALSO SEE – " Pastor Strangelove", by SARAH POSNER @ "The American Prospect," 05-21-06 (EXCERPT) Besides his million-dollar compensation package, Hagee has a portfolio of other ventures, including a cattle ranch in south Texas that may have religious significance. Many evangelicals believe that the arrival of a "perfect red heifer" will signal the end times. In the Old Testament, burning a red heifer and sprinkling its ashes is described as a purification ritual for priests entering the temple. Ultra-orthodox Jews believe that the birth of a modern perfect red heifer will herald the arrival of the messiah, leading to a confrontation with Muslims over the Temple Mount, where Jews believe the Temple will be rebuilt. Some evangelicals likewise regard the red heifer as a harbinger of the ultimate showdown at the Temple Mount, which they believe will be the site of the Second Coming. And they believe that time is near. To many other observers, the advent of the red heifer threatens to provoke a violent struggle for control of the Temple Mount, with worldwide repercussions. In the late 1990s, a group of unidentified Texas ranchers reportedly bred a perfect red heifer, which generated excitement in evangelical circles until the animal sprouted some black hairs. Six years ago, the John C. Hagee Royalty Trust paid more than $5.5 million for a 7,600-acre ranch in Brackettville, Texas, where cattle are raised in a venture with the Texas Israel Agricultural Research Foundation, a nonprofit outfit operated by the pastor. (Another part of the property is a resort hunting facility, where guests paying up to $250 for a night's stay can also land their planes at the ranch's private airstrip.) ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=pasto...
I think that it might qualify as long as it is reddish brown and does not have any white or black spots on it. But what would I know; I'm relatively sane (for now, I think).
In the Old Testament, God tells the Jews to kill all the ANIMALS, CHILDREN, WOMEN of the Caananites. Very bluntly, and to the point. So, I guess there is precedent.
This wave is cresting. Be careful and be sure to emphasize "SOME Jews, not THE Jews." There will be blood.
Troop deaths? Why do so many people conflate troop deaths with the death and suffering the troops themselves inflict on the human beings, and animals, in the lands they attack and invade? The troops are hardly innocents in these situations, they give themselves, often very willingly, and all too often with pleasure, to the state killing machine. I don't want to hear about troop deaths in the context of the deaths of their victims.
Israelis' attempts to justify their ugly actions are ludicrous on their face. Let's say this time they are not lying and the zoo WAS booby trapped. I'd love to hear them explain how that justifies shooting caged animals at close range. Perhaps they will try to convince us that the animals were all wearing suicide belts?
LOOOOOOOOL! Don't you just LOVE it when Zionist apologists use the infamous Butcher of Baghdad as their standard for acceptable Israeli behaviour!
Israel has not "become" a sociopath, Israel has always been a sociopath, not to mention suffering from textbook narcissism.
Alan, I liked you better when you were reminiscing about "The Doom that came to Chelsea." Incidentally, is it really true that you are currently a member of the extraordinarily boring "Temple of Set"?
Well, not in the Old Testament, God does not say that to some Jews. He says that to all Jews. Blame God, not me.
Sorry..It's too unbearable for me to read. I'll say this because it's true. The israelis should be exterminated. Wiped out.
Israel will not feel its destiny has been fulfilled until all the "blood libels" are validated. "In the Old Testament, God tells the Jews to kill all the ANIMALS, CHILDREN, WOMEN of the Caananites. Very bluntly, and to the point. So, I guess there is precedent." He also told them, in no uncertain terms, to not commit adultery. So you can judge just how closely today's Jews follow the Old Testament. The Old Testament tells the story of God's gradual (Hey! He tried.) estrangement from the Choosen People, due to their inability or unwillingness to follow His commanments. From this estrangement comes the Jewish spiritual condition, and its sensibility. But, of course, Zionists know better than God, and where the hell was He during the Holocaust?
What crime did those animals commit? Some of them, without doubt, were not Kosher.
Israelis! Who can bear the STINK of these "people" any longer??
Rykart, please read what you are writing. Talk of extermination of humans, even if just as a hyperbolic expression, is in really bad taste – specially when said in anger because of ………. extermination of animals.
Are you sure it was 'as spoken to' the Jews? My impression is that it would have been to the tribe of Judeans or the Israelites.
I took a pass, and then skimmed. There's a bit of a paradox in what you say, though, or possibly displacement of emotion. Would the killing of other beings serve as reparation for these deaths?
That was a question for me, for a long time.
I emailed PETA last fall with regard to Israel's treatment of animals in the OT and all they did about it was put me on their mailing list. I did find this on the PETA site tho http://www.helpinganimals.com/f-chai.asp Seems there are some people who care, but only if the animals are chosen ones.
FROM HAARETZ: "Ask your sons" – By Gideon Levy, 05/10/09 (EXCERPT) …We deny, repress, lie, attack and compare ourselves to others, and our conscience remains clear. Even when the IDF admits to killing 300 civilians – 90 of them children, 50 women and 160 whose identities the army says is unclear – our story remains the same: the most moral army in the world. Not the third most, not the second – the most. After all, Yedioth Ahronoth gave that view its seal of approval in a special propaganda supplement entitled "The most moral in the world." But let's assume Amnesty is lying, Human Rights Watch is fabricating, B'Tselem is embellishing, the UN is anti-Israel and the media is full of hatred against us – isn't there enough in the IDF's own figures to shake us to the core? Three hundred civilians killed, including 90 children – isn't that enough to expose the propagandistic lie of "the most moral" army? How many innocent people must be killed for that to happen?… ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1084418.html
Shows Mooser's basic integrity that he does not avoid the issues he mentions. Did G-D invent that phraseology "a stiff-necked people"? Was it Nietzsche? I forget. Interestingly, I am reminded of Shrub, now "writing" his memoirs so we lucky devils get the truth about the evil-doer world from the horse's mouth, the donkey that cannot tie its own shoe laces.
To the matter: Haaretz had a video of the booby-trap fuse running around the place. See here: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054533.html Given what I'm seeing in the video, it doesn't seem that an allegedly great military couldn't simply defuse that wire. Why did they have to bomb everything and shoot the animals? Also, when they say there are weapons in the rooms (watch video) they do not show those arms. Seems they simply didn't give a s*** and wouldn't take the time to help those animals. Heck, they don't seem to care much about the children either, so no suprise there. There's always excuses, excuses….
Their are many wonderful Israelis. It is the nation/state of Israel that is the problem; and a goodly number of crazy American Jews in the settlements; and the American Jewish and Christian enablers; and nearly a million Russians (Lieberman's constituency)! Thanks, "Scoop" Jackson!
Their are many wonderful Israelis. It is the nation/state of Israel that is the problem; and a goodly number of crazy American Jews in the settlements; and the American Jewish and Christian enablers; and nearly a million Russians (Lieberman's constituency)! Thanks, "Scoop" Jackson!
''REVEREND" JOHN HAGEE REGARDING A "RUSSIAN INVASION" OF ISRAEL: (EXCERPT) …But Hagee doesn't stop there. He adds that Ezekiel predicts fire upon those who "live in security in the coastlands." From this sentence he concludes that there will be judgment upon all who stood by while the Russian-led force invaded Israel, and issues a stark warning to the United States to intervene: "Could it be that America, who refuses to defend Israel from the Russian invasion, will experience nuclear warfare on our east and west coasts?" He says yes, citing Genesis 12:3, in which God said to Israel: "I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you." To fill the power vacuum left by God's decimation of the Russian army, the Antichrist — identified by Hagee as the head of the European Union — will rule "a one-world government, a one-world currency and a one-world religion" for three and a half years. (He adds that "one need only be a casual observer of current events to see that all three of these things are coming into reality.") The "demonic world leader" will then be confronted by a false prophet, identified by Hagee as China, at Armageddon, the Mount of Megiddo in Israel. As they prepare for the final battle, Jesus will return on a white horse and cast both villains — and presumably any nonbelievers — into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," thus marking the beginning of his millennial reign…. SOURCE – http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=pasto... NOTE TO "REVEREND" HAGEE: The "Russian invasion" of Israel has already occured. They are the nearly one million Russians in Israel who elected Avigdor Lieberman and "Bibi" Netanyahu. Thanks, "Scoop" Jackson!
Who will rid us of these people?
Funny how you could care less about the Sri Lankans.
God shall through some means or another. Israel has become too arrogant. God does not like arrogance, even if the arrogant ones are the special chosen ones.
"Rykart, please read what you are writing. Talk of extermination of humans, even if just as a hyperbolic expression, is in really bad taste – specially when said in anger because of ………. extermination of animals." Eva..you put the innocent donkey, shot for entertainment by the israeli troops, beneath the Israeli people in the great chain of being. I'm absolutely unwilling to do that. The gentle, helpless beast is in every way, shape and form superior to ANY Israeli. A single donkey shot to death for Israeli entertainment troubles the conscience of decent human beings far more than the extermination of the entire Israeli state. I don't care about these so-called people. I will be happy to see them destroyed. They are evil incarnate. The innocent donkey who has only served humans' selfish wishes since the instant it was born should die without a thought, but not an Israeli..because he/she is "a human being" ?? I absolutely reject this speciesism. I absolutely reject the defense of israeli life. They are garbage. It is an unpardonable insult to refer to them as "animals." Animals have dignity.
I once read about an Israeli Rabbi invoking this, in Haartez I think. He was applying it to the current situation. I'm sure as a Rabbi he knows his religion best and who God was speaking to, and if God still wants them to act this wall.
"Seems they simply didn't give a s*** and wouldn't take the time to help those animals." Help the animals with what? The animals didn't need their help. They were OK until those brave and humane Israeli soldiers shot and killed them in their cages. As for the booby trap wire, who believes anything that comes from the Israeli military? They are3 proven serial liars. And if the booby trap fuse ran all around the zoo, then let the brave, humane Israelis simply avoid the zoo. There were no fighters there anyway. There was no military need to attack that zoo and kill the animals.
Really! And what have YOU done for the Sri Lankans, Mr Jacob Wolfen?
"A single donkey shot to death for Israeli entertainment troubles the conscience of decent human beings far more than the extermination of the entire Israeli state. I don't care about these so-called people. I will be happy to see them destroyed. They are evil incarnate." Funny, Rykart, how you sound exactly like an Israeli talking about Palestinians. You are just exactly like that which you so despise, it seems.
The next time a suicide blast leaves a pile of charred Israelis in its wake I will think of the creatures of the Gaza zoo, (who, unlike their Israeli counterparts, did not deserve such a fate).
Does this ass-clown, Jacobwolfen, care about the Sri Lankans? He's as transparent and shallow as Bryce from American Psycho. Remember the club scene near the beginning? @1:28 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQx_AN02XuM Jewish yuppies are worse than the goy yuppies though. Far more pretentious and sanctimonious.
Rykart is only crossing the line when he conflates and calls for extermination. 80-85% of Israeli Jews supported the Gaza massacre. Check out the polls done on Israeli Jewish youth attitudes toward Palestinian youth. Compare. And most American Jewry as just as Zionist. These people would be exterminating the Palestinians if it were still fashionable for a 'Western-style' country. Hence, they resort to ethnic cleansing and 'pretext' for indiscriminate force which they frame as counter-terrorism. I'm not trying to downplay the Zionists or even us. We're far worse than the Nazis because we kill PLENTY of innocent people AND we're never EVER held accountable for it. Hence, we've dwarfed the Nazi attributes. Only cattle still think we're the shining light of humanity and the Jewish State has a right to exist (as if ANY State has an inherent and arbitrary right to exist). Just goes to show you that people are only as 'good' as the institutions they are 'surrounded' (the only way to describe it) by. When professors are being censored and fired for criticizing State crimes or the crimes of the Establishment – whether it be Jewish or Goy – then we've reached the point of no return. Things only go downhill because there is no accountability. Are there Nazis? No. They are gone. They won't come back. The status quo learned from them and have found ways to carry out the same intentions differently. So while it's right to condemn Rykart's hyperbole, let's not get all hot and bothered just yet. "We're all part of the same hypocrisy."
Those Jewish youth support the right of their government to protect them from the genocidal attacks coming out of Gaza. Imagine the number off residents of Gaza who actively support genocide. The numbers are not suprising. The fact that you are not hot and bothered is not suprising.
And who said the spirit of Nazi Germany was dead?
Jewish Zionists are the only ones who support genocide. Kill Arabs and Cry Antisemitism is their mantra. The Holocaust is their religion. While Nazis like you butcher and incinerate the children of Gaza you cry wolf about imaginary threats and rhetoric. In action – it's the Nazi Jewish Zionists who kill more civilians and ruin more lives. It's the Nazi Jewish Zionists who occupy and steal land, who steal resources and water from the Palestinians. Etc. etc. The only people who buy into the Zionist narrative are racists/jingoists/indoctrinate Jewish youth. The most useful Zionist tactic in the on-going debate is 'point-scoring': http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2009/03/19/hasbara-han...
No one, it's brought back to life by Nazis like Jacobwolfen and his inbred Euro-American immigrant land-thieves.
Really, it is anachronistic to refer to any Israelites as 'Jews' before about the year 200 of the common era, when the Mishnah was compiled and the rabbinical system stabilised, I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnah By the way, Arnold Toynbee seems to have thought that 'Judaism' (as he calls the religion of the 'Second Temple' period, not apparently seeing any anachronism there) could have developed into a universal religion, if it hadn't been stomped on by Rome. However, it would still have possessed a hereditary core, which is not really a good prescription for a universal religion.
Nothing justifies screaming for annihilation of any group of people anywhere at any time for any reason. Those who try to justify killing Israelis are of exactly the same ilk as those who try to justify killing Palestinians. All a bunch of sick bastards who feed their sickness on the poison of hatred. A pox on all their houses.
Next time a suicide blast leaves a pile of charred Israelis in its wake, I will think of people like you who feed themselves on hatred, and with your blind hatred feed those who love to kill. Seek help, Rykart. You need it badly.
Hatred for Israel? Yes. "Blind hatred?" Hardly. To know Israel in all its vileness is to loathe Israel and seek its destruction. The people who need help are the ones who continue to make excuses for this plague, this pox on humankind. Bombing a zoo full of helpless animals? The only place Arab children could go for some relief from the night and day suffering Israel has meted out to them day after day, year after year? And you want sympathy for the Israelis? Never. Not an ounce of sympathy for these monsters.
strahl The Israeli polls indicated 94% approval for the Gaza massacre. There was virtually no meaningful opposition to it. Quite the contrary. The fact is, the Gaza massacre was insufficient to satiate the bloodlust of this disgusting citizenry, which is why they elected Netanyahu, who could be relied on to impose suffering without limit on the Palestinian untermenschen.
Shirin Was the destruction of Nazi Germany justified? If your answer is yes, I'd like to know how a country with a 12 year history of racism and mass murder which produced so many of the greatest minds the planet has ever known should be demolished but a country created through a violation of the UN charter, with a 60 year history of racism and mass murder which has never produced anything but criminals and riff raff ought to have its so-called sovereignty held sacrosanct. It's preposterous. Claiming Israel has a right to exist but Nazi Germany doesn't is ITSELF a transparently racist statement, worthy of the "God's chosen" psychosis and megalomania central to the disease called Judaism. I'll try to tone down my posts. I'm not going to lie, though.
"Jewish Zionists are the only ones who support genocide." Unfortunately, that is simply not factually correct.
It never stops amazing me just how exactly you are like the very people you so despise.
"The Israeli polls indicated 94% approval for the Gaza massacre." I would just LOVE to see your source for this number. I mean, the reality is bad enough that you don't really need to make stuff likee this up.
Yet another way in which you are just like the Israelis you despise. You manage to reframe the issue to better suit your threadbare position. This is not about the idiotic demand that we recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist. You have advocated extermination of Israelis (presumably only the Jewish ones?). Do you consider the carpet bombing of Dresden was justified? Would you accept the extermination of German women and children? Does the idea of charred bodies of German babies appeal to you. or only those of charred Jewish Israeli babies? And by the way, Judaism is a religion. It is not a disease unless you assign that designation of all religions. Judaism is also not Zionism. Learn the difference.
..original article was in the Jerusalem Post http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=123195... Case closed.
Islamic fascists certainly support genocide. It is the hallmark call of the Iranian head of Hamas and hezbullah. The Islamic fascists have murdered more people in the last 7 years than Jews have killed militants along with all of the accidental, regretable killings of women and children. When islamic fascists kill women and children, they are hailed as heroes. When they die, martyrs.
Rykart isn't calling for the destruction of Jews. Whereas Zionists wear t-shirts that celebrate and advocate the murdering of pregnant Arabs and children. No State has the inherent and arbitrary right to exist. The notion of a State's RIGHT to exist is idiotic as well. States are political entities. Zionist Jews are dumbing down the Goyim by personifying the State. This is what Zionist rhetoric turns criticism of Israel into: "Why you gotta be hatin' on Israel, yo?" It's this inanely idiotic jingoism that is the source of the term 'anti-Americanism' as well. Both concepts are purely totalitarian. I know some Arabs and pro-Palestinian (pro-truth and justice) activists will want to vehemently denounce Antisemitism but it's only because of the rhetorical game Zionist Jews play. Perfect example is the Angry Arab – Professor Asad Abukahil (I apologize if I misspelled his name.). Funny and intelligent guy. Writes great stuff. But when it comes to let's say..Gilad Atzmon – he turns into a typical Utopian liberal douchebag. There is no honest debate on ethnic identity or race or religion in our country. People take these things so fucking personally it's amusing (as well as sad). But when we talk about 'Arabs' or 'Jews' we should make the distinction that we are referring to them as a sociological entity. Not a genetic entity. That is the context. And it's true – bolstered further by the distinction we make between Zionism and Jewishness. Furthermore, I think it is much more accurate to call all this bullshit the 'Jewish Establishment' – because there are plenty of well-meaning Jews who just feel a connection to Israel based on their Jewishness and not a desire for power and expansion. Not a desire to dominate and dispossess. We talk about the Chinese or the whoever all the time. It's only with Jews and Jewishness that everything becomes political. But that is also because Jewish identity is political. Can we say the same for the Roma people? Or the Iraqis? True, there is a political side to every ethnic identity – especially in America where identity politics are facilitated. But Jewish identity politics are of both a different nature and profundity (power). So while these groups can be categorized and blah blah, they do not behave the same way – this is obvious. I mean, why do we have 'Jewish studies' or other subjects on ethnic groups? We analyze these groups because they CAN be analyzed. So fuck this contrived controversy. Everything has to be studied and open to criticism or we're a bunch of hypocrites. Rykart was definitely excessive. I think it's superficial to say he's "just like" the Israelis – he just 'sounds' like them. His values/etc. are quite conservative in my opinion. I mean, it's so fucking sanctimonious of the West to tell ANYONE ELSE to be non-violent given OUR history as a nation and as a 'people'. The ME is being destroyed by Jewish political movements (whether it be Neoconservatism or Zionism) and the MIC.
Not sure why my post disproving shirin's assertion that there is no proof 94% of israelis supported the Gaza massacre was removed. again: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/03/israe... and http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/03/israe...
Possibly the main reason my blog doesn't get attacked (apart of course from the fact that it only gets 200-400 hits a day), despite the almost continuous radical criticism I post on it not just of Israel but of Judaism as a whole, is that I go to considerable lengths to demonstrate my affection for many Israeli Jews. I find them funny, sometimes courageous, and often moving. To call for their extermination (or even to boycott artists, unless they are mere propagandists) is stupid, anti-human, and counter-productive. The way I see it, the Israeli Jews are not culprits but pawns, in an imperialist-militarist scheme run by wealthy and powerful 'Jewish leaders' and Jewish financiers in London and the USA. It is the fact that these 'leaders' claim to speak in the name of 'the Jewish people' that makes them so powerful, inhibiting even Jewish-Israeli criticism. Plus, the Jewish-Israeli education system is almost entirely dominated by paranoid brainwashing and falsification of Jewish history.
"Why you gotta be hatin' on Israel, yo?" "But when we talk about 'Arabs' or 'Jews' we should make the distinction that we are referring to them as a sociological entity. Not a genetic entity. That is the context. And it's true – bolstered further by the distinction we make between Zionism and Jewishness." I do prefer to keep terms regarding the "Lobby" fluid, while I would appreciate an indication by the person making a comment of what is meant when the word 'Zionism' is used. The Magnes Zion makes critical distinctions between different forms of Zionism. Others do also.
Did you consider South African whites pawns during apartheid? Did you also find them funny, courageous, or moving? Sorry, Rowan, I just can't go along with you here. Israelis are people with free will, and If they are pawns it is only because they choose to be. That does not mean, of course, that they should be exterminated, merely that they cannot be held blameless. As for artistic, academic, intellectual, and economic boycotts, absolutely. It worked with South Africa, and Israel is much worse than South Africa ever was. Let Israelis see the pinch of being a pariah state instead of enjoying their status as ubermenschen, and see how things change.
There is a small handful of wonderful Israelis, the rest are like most people in the world, uninterested in the harm that is done in their names.
You are a first-class moron. Israel kills women, children, the ill and injured. Israel bombs mosques and schools. Israel demolishes homes and steals land. Israel steals resources and even water. Israel kidnaps children and civilians in general without any sort of paperwork that may justify such actions. Israel holds thousands of people in their dungeons without paperwork. Israel commits human rights abuses and crimes 24/7 and rarely punishes it's own. (Yesh Din study) Furthermore, this retard, Jacobwolfen, has to refer to ALL "Islamic" groups to beat the Zionist death toll. How pathetic. By that logic he loses anyways because all one has to do is factor in the American and coalition forces death toll of innocents in w/ the pariah Zionist State. Either way, Israel loses – and it makes sense. The racist, radical nationalists with the 4th strongest army in the world and unprecedented political and economic support WOULD kill more innocent people for the simple fact that it can AND it is immoral. But as I've said before, retards like Jacobwolfen can only "point-score" as the Union of Jewish Students illustrates in 'The Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus."
Shirin, the effect of total, wrap-around 24-hour propaganda is so great that one is no more aware of it than a fish is aware of the water it is swimming in. It's never absent, so one has no lever to dislodge it with. Another comparison I like is with the people who lived near the Victoria Falls in Africa, and told early explorers that they couldn't hear the Falls at all.
The medievals used to refer to something called foetor judaicus — "jewish stink." I should avoid these racist images.
That is a truly crappy excuse for anyone under any circumstances, Rowan. Israelis know exactly what their country is doing to Palestinians. A few of them give a damn, the rest don't. They are enjoying too much being Ubermenschen – members of a Master Race. I don't find that in any way funny, courageous (COURAGEOUS?!) or moving, I find it inexcusably, arrogantly inhuman. If artistic, academic, intellectual, and economic boycotts are what it takes to wake Israelis up, then I am all for them, and I do not understand at all your objections to artistic boycotts. It is a completely non-violent way to help Israelis understand the kind of state they are supporting.
"Rykart isn't calling for the destruction of Jews." No one has claimed he is calling for the destruction of Jews. Here are his own words: Rykart: "The israelis should be exterminated. Wiped out." And "A single donkey shot to death for Israeli entertainment troubles the conscience of decent human beings far more than the extermination of the entire Israeli state. I don't care about these so-called people. I will be happy to see them destroyed." And please do not try to reframe the argument. We are not talking here about Israel's right or lack of right to exist, we are talking about the right of some four million human beings (if one assumes Rykart is exempting non-Jewish Israeli citizens from his call for extermination) to live.
I made no such assertion. In fact, I made no assertion at all. I merely stated that I would like to see your source for that number. And, of course, you misrepresented the results of the survey in the way you stated your claim, but that is hardly surprising. There is no evidence that what the Israelis in the survey supported was a massacre since there is no evidence that they understood it to be a massacre of civilians, and not what it was represented to be – at attack on Hamas targets. This is the thing about opinion surveys, you see. Interpreting the result depends on what questions are asked and how exactly they are phrased.
While some women, children, ill and injured die, they are not targeted by Israelis. Israel does bomb mosques and schools, but only when they are used by Islamic fascists waging genocidal war. You don't believe water is a resource? Israel commits far fewer human rights abuses than arab nations, Hamas, Hezbullah, and the PA. Any particular Islamic group has murdered far more people than Israeli troops. Israel keeps winning and you keep whining.
Good point…should have read closer.