Ari Shavit has an interesting article in Haaretz that echoes a theme that is amazingly gaining currency – the legitimacy of the Jewish state is in danger. Shavit echoes the sentiments that Phil posted on yesterday from Ron Ben-Yishai, and succinctly presents the challenge facing Israel and Zionism - "A national movement that began as ‘legitimacy without an entity’ is becoming ‘an entity without legitimacy’ before our very eyes."
I say amazing because, as Shavit points out, Israel has never been stronger or more dominant than it is today. And yet despite Israel’s overwhelming military superiority, this strength is just a house of cards if they don’t have the legitimacy to use it. While Israel was once able to deploy this strategic advantage with near impunity, their greatest strength is in danger of being rendered useless following the carnage of the Gaza war (and I would add the 2006 war in Lebanon). The Goldstone report, and the growing BDS movement, is holding Israel accountable in a way that has not happened before. Combined with the shifting discourse on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict where similarities to apartheid South Africa are being raised more and more often, Israel is now increasingly finding itself trying to justify using overwhelming force to prop up a status quo that people find inexcusable. Shavit shares Ben-Yishai’s recommendation that Israel needs a diplomatic counter attack:
On one hand, there is an urgent need for a creative, daring diplomatic initiative that would prove that Israel is truly and genuinely striving to end the occupation. Without such an initiative, the world will not listen to Israeli justice, which today remains a concept largely invisible to the world. On the other hand, there is a need to enlist Israeli and Jewish elites in the struggle to once again strengthen the foundations of Israel’s legitimacy.
This diplomatic and moral effort is no less important than the struggles that produced the Balfour Declaration and the UN partition resolution. If such an effort is not launched immediately, and does not soon succeed, Israel will become an international pariah.
Shavit is right that the idea of "Israeli justice" is increasingly viewed as an oxymoron, and of course legitimacy will not be found through only a "daring diplomatic initiative." It will take a change in policy that shows the world that Israel is more interested in equality over exclusivity, and coexistence over domination. Until that happens, the trend will continue.
Related posts:
- Read no evil (the NYT on the Goldstone report)
- Half of a half of a half a loaf– in 2 years!
- Falk: Goldstone is historic blow in the war Israel is losing– the ‘Legitimacy War’
- Ban’s collapse on Goldstone ’shocks and appalls’ representative for Palestinian victims
- Goldstone explains why Israel is being singled out (after South Africa and Serbia)






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A policy that shows the world that Israel is more interested in equality over exclusivity, and coexistence over domination.
Israel wants to be a nation. It’s like that phrase that says when I became a man I threw away childish things. Israel hasn’t stopped thinking of itself as a besieged shtetl with a godfather banker sitting overseas that it can call upon for help. The Boys from Bialystock who formed and ran that country from inception never really thought about the future they wanted for Israel, so the national values are like warring Bialystock itself: one year it belongs to Poland, then next year Russia, then some other country I forget. It was always constant high drama in Bialystock, and battles, Zero Mostel’s memory of it notwithstanding. One group always fighting with another, security ever paramount. This is the heritage brought to, and inculcated in, Israel. Ben Gurion understood statesmanship, but that was about it.
South African justice!
Zionism is not Judaism – and Israel is NOT a ‘Jewish State’. In fact it’s a Racist Marxist State as Jack Bernstein found out four decades ago.
The Zionist entity is based on several myths – the biggest one is the Holocaust – which has become not only a ‘Holy Cow’ but modern times greatest ‘Cash Cow’.
The “Holocaust” – Myths and Facts
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/the-holocaust-myths-and-facts/
While some Zionist thinkers tried to combine Marxism and ethnic fundamentalism, on the whole Zionist Ashkenazim and Marxist Ashkenazim have been hostile to one another even if there has been at times a great deal of transition from one group to the other.
It takes real effort not to see that the world powers gave Israel a disproportionate share of another people’s landland
via the Balfour Declaration and the UN Partition, and that in return Israel has never stopped grabbing for the balance of that land by every hook or crook.
“… Israel will become an international pariah.”
Israel has been an international pariah for years now. I suppose they are just now waking up to the fact. Raising hasbara to a new level will not succeed in plastering Israel with a veneer of moral legitimacy.
On another thread, former coMMenter provided a link to a fascinating Counterpunch article by Michael Neumann:
http://www.counterpunch.org/neumann10142009.html
In the article, Neumann dashed any hope that Israel might have for continued international acceptance of the claim of an exclusive state for the Jewish “people”, a claim made by no other “people” or state since Nazi Germany. As Prof. Neumann points out, the notion is based on thoroughly discredited concepts of “ethnic nationalism” and civil rights for “peoples” rather than individuals – political concepts he traces back to Woodrow Wilson’s idealism and Hitler’s exploitative cynicism in “Mein Kampf”.
Political Zionism is incompatible with modern international norms for nation states. There is no way Israel can sugar-coat that unpleasant truth.
Bradley Burston reads the Goldstone Report, compares to golem and colonoscopy. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1121054.html
All the internal evidence from Israel indicates that Israel was not out to destroy Hamas in Operation Cast Lead. The goal was to weaken it by inflicting massive collective punishment on the Gazan people.
Israel needs to retain Hamas as the Designated Enemy. Operation Cast Lead was planned out in detail in the summer of 2008 before the six-month cease fire had even begun. The “enemy”, Hamas, serves as the specious device by which Israel prevents the political unification of the Palestinians. This allows Israel to argue that there is no competent “negotiating partner” to represent the Palestinians.
The Americans buy it so it must sell pretty well.
Slight correction. The Bush Administration bought this. In advance of the Gaza massacre the U.S. military shipped nearly 1,000 containers of high-tech weapons, including white phosphorous. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13149
Ishmael is absolutely spot-on — this was collective punishment, planned months in advance, and conveniently timed to conclude hours before Obama’s swearing-in ceremony, so the rest of the goyim world would be too transfixed by what Michelle O was wearing at the Inauguration to pay attention to the human atrocities committed in Gaza.
Um, wrong.
How creative does the occupying power need to get to end its occupation?
Like the Marine general in Korea said: hell we arn’t retreating, we are just attacking in another direction.
Now that was a creative way to describe their ‘withdrawal’.
I am glad Ari Shavit can see the writing on the wall. That iceberg is continuing to grow and it’s a benefit to human justice.
The Goldstone Report is Zionist in its own way. I am not sure Goldstone intended for it to act as it did.
If Israel had accepted the Report, admitted mistakes and then focused on actions Goldstone avers incorrectly were war crimes, the ultimate effect might have been quite different.
I really wonder how Goldstone feels about Israel now that he’s been made the scapegoat for all their collective sins.
Has Goldstone been interviewed recently?
Whither After Goldstone discusses the problems with the Goldstone Report.
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Here’s a bit of humour. Tucked away at the bottom of this report:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/33738/26/
….(which neatly puts the lie to Israel’s contention that “Cast Lead” was in response to rocket fire)…. is a transcript of a radio rabbinical advice show:
[Question from Ha-Rav's radio call-in show from this week]
Question: Is it permissible to travel to a wedding in Ashdod (in Southern Israel) which is in range of the Kassam and Grad rockets or is it forbidden based on the commandment of “You shall surely safeguard your soul” (Devarim 4:15, 23:11)?
The answer is hilarious when contrasted with Israel’s cassus belli for “Cast Lead” :
It is permissible. There is a clear distinction in Halachah between a high-probability danger and a low-probability danger. If this were not the case, we would not be able to travel in a car since every year, to our great distress, six hundred people are killed in car accidents in Israel. Many more people have been killed in car accidents since the establishment of the State of Israel than all of the Kassam rockets and all of the terrorist attacks and all of the wars, even when they are added together……..
What follows is an “angels on a pinhead” analysis that concludes that there is very little danger in visiting “Southern Israel” in spite of the rockets.
West Bank settlers use ‘price tag’ tactic to punish Palestinians
The Israeli government will have no credibility until it deals with these lunatics. The only way it will happen is if the IDF goes after them with enough strength to simultaneously remove both the colonists at the target colony and those with diversion groups threatening to attack local Palestinians. Then they will have to send colonists to prison for a few years to keep them from coming right back to reestablish their colony and burn more Palestinian olive trees.
The vast majority of the Israeli political establishment supports the colonization campaign. The periodic dismantling of a so-called ‘wildcat’ colony is undertaken occasionally as window dressing, and it’s nudge-nudge-wink-wink and the colonists come right back. If they won’t even be serious about these, we certainly cannot expect them to be serious about the larger colonies. And that leaves us where?
“And that leaves us where? ”
It leaves us with a foreign alliance that is profoundly harmful to America’s well-being.
The solution is to end that corrosive alliance and bring pressure on Israel through the UN and our other healthy alliances. What we are trying to do to Iran should be done to Israel instead – until we get regime change and a peaceful democracy in Israel.
Of course, we have to keep in mind that this is a really dangerous nation – one ruled by unpredictable nutcases obsessed with power, one that possesses nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.
It’s not just that there are “wildcat” colonies. Its that Jewish Israeli settlers are allowed to commit crimes against their Palestinian neighbors with absolutely no negative repercussions. So what has the IDF done to address the problem of settler lawlessness? Another Kafkaesque response. Read it and weep.
http://www.imemc2.org/index.php?story_id=56817&obj_id=53
Every abuse leads to a worse abuse. In this fashion we see Israel stooping lower and lower, no longer bothering even to explain and cover up things it used to at least be ashamed of. Gone are the days of assuring those who bother to ask, that “Israel takes such violations very seriously, and carefully investigates each and every case, punishing all individuals who break the law.” It is the institutionalisation of evil, the application of the “laws of Sodom and Gomorrah”. In the long run, this dropping of pretense may help defeat Zionism, from within as well as without. In the short run, it means more misery for Palestinians, many of whom (judging by past experience) will certainly defy this latest, draconian “law”.
Goldstone’s piece as the new Golem, folk predecessor of Frankenstein, is worthy of repeating again:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1121054.html
I don’t know about you guys but I read articles like this and I just despair, despair, despair.
Why?
Coz it’s just talk-talk and for 64 years now nothing but blah blah blah…
In the meantime, the super race wannabees of the whole of existence, continue jackbooting the Palestinians day in and day out.
I’m sick to my teeth with all this endless verbage!
Something big and meaningful happen already!
It’s just not going to happen. The Palestinians have lost again. No one cares about them, no one cares about justice – no one with the power to do what’s necessary.
Berlin Wall. Perestroika. The election of Barak Obama.
Man anything can happen but mostly shit happens!
Yet I really can’t see how the zios can survive indefinitely in the mideast. They’re never gonna be accepted and assimilated into the region. Never gonna be forgiven either.
potsherd, that’s the kind of thinking we don’t need. Defeatism never accomplished anything. Keep trying and eventually an army of people will join you. Morality and justice do count for something in the end.
“While Israel was once able to deploy this strategic advantage with near impunity, their greatest strength is in danger of being rendered useless following the carnage of the Gaza war (and I would add the 2006 war in Lebanon).”
The “impunity” should have never taken hold, from the beginning. What this produces is the result we see today, ever increasing atrocities. Legitimacy is not established with such a pattern, it is demolished.
“the trend will continue.”
What trend? Another toothless UN report, a toothless boycott and some scattered media sniping does not feel like an anti-Zionist trend –and definitely not a meaningful protest.
I think your site is a terrific resource but occasionally I think you and Phil get caught working out some kind of critical judo (Jewdo?) here. Where the Zionists complain: “Everyone is against us, therefore we have to be bastards,” you guys sometimes seem to say: “These Zionists are bastards, everyone has got to be against them.” But the world is not anti-Zionist and it is not growing anti-Zionist.
If anything, Anti-Americanism continues to rise as it is becomes obvious to the world that America does not coddle Israel so much as it works for Israel. In turn, the world is beginning to treat this relationship as an American weakness that can be readily exploited and that’s the real tragedy in all of this –and it is an American one, not Israeli.
But the world is not anti-Zionist and it is not growing anti-Zionist.
Wrong and wrong.
From your link to the JPost article, FM Lieberman is quoted as follows:
“We carried out a series of studies in Europe and the US and tried to understand how Israel was branded in the eyes of the world,” he said. “We discovered that the Arabs, our competitors, have succeeded in doing to us what Borat did to Kazakhstan, in creating an identity for us which has a very tenuous link to reality.”
Apparently, not a whiff of irony here. Talk about “a very tenuous link to reality”!
Don’t succumb to pessimism.
Gideon Levy replies to Shavit’s “Goldstoners” article.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1121262.html
Even for Gideon Levy, this is an unusually ferocious attack on war-promoters like Ari Shavit. If words can help, these do.
Why the US Can’t Be An Honest Broker – Alan Sabrosky
URL for above: http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=127425&d=16&m=10&y=2009
Berlin Wall. Perestroika. The election of Barak Obama.
Man anything can happen but mostly shit happens!
Yet I really can’t see how the zios can survive indefinitely in the mideast. They’re never gonna be accepted and assimilated into the region. Never gonna be forgiven either.
They can’t survive indefinitely. But they can survive long enough to destroy the Palestinian hopes for freedom and justice.
Maybe in a hundred years, the Palestinian Diaspora will be able return to its homeland and kick aside the rotting corpse.
Palestine is bigger than the Palestinians.
And one day that sleeping giant will wake – regardless of what may be going on and off in DC or tel aviv.
You can say some of us are waiting for politicians to ballzy-up and get it together.
Others are waiting for the giant to wake.
Both are waving fists at the madness of the wait.
This is a good summary for why the PA deep sixed the Goldstone report:
http://counterpunch.org/baroud10152009.html
syvanen – yes, I’ve read this the other day, perhaps the most damning paragraph that I found was this -
“They were equally disappointed when they watched PA envoys discussing the matter, not with the Asian, African or other traditional allies at the Council, but with US and European diplomats, who seemed to have a greater sway over Palestinian political action than those who have for decades supported Palestinian rights at every turn.”
And why there won’t be a Palestinian reconciliation:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3790514,00.html
The bottom line is: the quisling Abbas has to go. His repuation is now lower than shit on shoe leather. He is sacrificing the Palestinian people for his personal vendetta against Hamas. It’s an acute reminder of the reason that the voters kicked his party out of office in the first place – the stench of corruption.
Unfortunately, Israel can see how all this is playing into their hands and certainly won’t release any leader who could potentially unify their enemies, such as Marwan Bargouti.
I am convinced that Israel does not want peace. Just more reasons to acquire more territory at any price. And that price is paid for by the Palestinians.
You know what always amazes me about this, it is the simple fact that viable solutions or alternatives like this are literally squashed in most broad coverage media sources. That is because there is not an open atmosphere , but a series of closed doors. You have all of this coverage, to be frank, of everything Israeli and practically nothing in regard to the Palestinians. It is a tragedy that what Mahmoud Dawish has said is true about this situation –
“Do you know why we Palestinians are famous? Because you are our enemy. The interest in us stems from the interest in the Jewish issue. The interest is in you, not in me. So we have the misfortune of having Israel as an enemy…because it enjoys unlimited support. And we have the good fortune of having Israel as out enemy because the Jews are the center of attention. You’ve brought us defeat and renown.”
So it always seems to be that those who have power have the spotlight so to speak. So that even the equal greats are silenced by the voices of the dominant. The euro-centric lies are embraced above the truth, as they carry their victory like preening peacocks and feed the masses on dung.
THE CENTER OF ATTENTION
“The world is interested in you, not us. I have no illusions.”
It is not good, and it is not true, and it is not right – nothing good will ever come out of such dominance of discourse, such imbalance of power.
So what do you propose be done about “such dominance of discourse”?
I wish I had an answer to that besides, “sit it out, weather the crap storm and try not to get swept away when the house of cards comes crashing down.” Because right now all I’m seeing is the next Great Depression, minus the FDR.
If the reports coming in are correct, the Goldstone Report will receive the sanction of the UN’s Human Rights Council. It isn’t quite clear what will happen next, whether it will end up in the Security Council so that the US can exhibit its moral bankruptcy with a veto, or the General Assembly. But Israel will have clearly lost the first round.
More to the point, the relations among the parties will have altered irrevocably. Israel, clinging to the proposition that its national defense depends on war crimes, has found a perfect excuse to shut down the long-dead “peace process,” reasoning that if it is going to be criticized for raining down white phosphorus on the children of a Palestinian state, peace represents too much of a risk. The idea that “peace” would actually result in peace doesn’t seem to figure in the Israeli calculations.
Although it is not intended in a merciful way, the death of the “peace process” is surely euthanasia, a mercy killing too long delayed. For years, every move in the region has had to be measured against the worn-out touchstone – How will it effect the “peace process?” No more. A new start is possible without this stinking corpse around the neck of the region, dragging it down.
Another dead thing is the quisling Mahmoud Abbas. The entire Palestinian people are now aware how he urged on the Israelis in their assault on Gaza, just to advance his personal quarrel with Hamas, and how he attempted to kill the Goldstone Report to keep the favor of Israel and the US, to keep the corpse of the “peace process” propped up in its chair at the negotiating table.
As the puckish Yossi Sarid declares,
Perhaps Sarid did not mean this literally, but if I were Abbas, I would be looking for asylum right now, a place where the assassin’s knives might not be able to reach. Certainly he is now dead politically. But as his last act, being given no choice, he drove the nail into the coffin of the “peace process” by insisting that the Goldstone Report be heard.
Now Netanyahu, sulking, will pick up his marbles and go home to evict more Palestinians and tear down more of their homes and erect more roadblocks in the West Bank, waiting for the inevitable intifada to erupt in response and another round of white phosphorus shell to arrive from the US.
When Abbas leaves office, either dragged behind a car or smuggled out in a trunk, the world may note that the PA no longer has even the pretense of a legitimate government (Fayyad was never elected), but of course Israel will never be able to bring itself to allow free elections in Palestine, as, owning to his own actions, Hamas would certainly win by an even greater margin than before.
With no PA, he will legitimately be able to declare “there is no partner” for the “peace process.” The charade is over.
The people of the region have stopped waiting on the PA, tel aviv, DC, UN, or Europe.
All everyone ever talks about over there, both sides, is how only a big war can bring about peace.
Even as I write this, more arms are being shipped in – for both sides.
Truth is, there was never really any hope for a ‘negotiated peace’. And truth is, we’ve been offering the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims ‘peace deals’ we would never accept ourselves. It’s all and always been a sham. This promise of peace.
People in the region don’t feel that peace ‘eludes’ them – they don’t believe ‘real peace’ was on offer in the first place. By now they are convinced that no less than NINE consecutive American Presidents have prejudiced them in the extreme.
With so much astonishing ‘benefit-of-the-doubt’ laid out at Obama’s feet by the mideasterns, they unfortunately and only nine months into his presidency, have already ceased to believe his well-intended words – they don’t even see Obama’s face anymore. They see Rahm Emanuel, the flanker and his cloak.
Taxi, I tend to agree with your assessment, although the Palestinian kids are still
hoping to be doctors and scholars one day, even though the only paper they can
get shreds to pieces at the slightest touch of an erasure in their little hands. Anyway,
thanks to DICKERSON3870’s link, here is the executive summary of the Goldstone
fact-finding mission’s report:
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48_ADVANCE1.pdf
Goldstone, Israeli exceptionalism, Israeli nukes, Holocaust-manipulation, irrational and unjustifiable sabre-rattling on Iran – it’s all in Roger Cohen’s op-ed today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/opinion/16iht-edcohen.html?_r=1
Someting is definitely a-tipping.
Mondoweiss regulars, please post your insightful comments on the I/P conflict and Israeli/Zionist history to the Roger Cohen op-ed comments section. The hasbara outweighs the truth at this point.
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/opinion/16iht-edcohen.html
Thanks, Shmuel, I was just about to go over there (and I am already really tired after a long day). Hope you and yours are ok over there in Italy. I’m about to make a quick check of my tomato and pepper plants and call it a day.
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