A friend seizes on an aside in a piece in Haaretz:
"Speaking near Jerusalem during the unveiling of a memorial for the victims of
the 9/11 terror attack in the United States, Olmert added that there was a
clear difference between terrorists and the countries that fight them."
One of those puzzling background noises that make you stop, rewind, and replay to make sure. So a memorial for the victims of the September 11 bombings is now a public monument in Jerusalem. What is it doing there? Why should this surprise us less than, say, a Pearl Harbor Monument in Sydney, a Fort Sumter Remembrance Tabernacle in Paris, or a Coventry Blitz Museum in Culver City?
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terrorists rip out olive trees of palestinians… lets call a spade a spade for a change…
9-11 – amerikas holocaust… yea right… see if you can work folks up into a frenzy over it… i think bush did that already with a good degree of success until it had outlived it’s usefullness… same thing for zionism and the holocaust. you can only milk this for so long, unless you are counting on an endless supply of the brain dead..
It’s there to remind Americans that they share a common enemy – “terrorists,” who just happen to be Muslim. Al Qaeda and Hamas – no difference. If Hamas isn’t crushed, they will fly the next plane into the Pentagon.
This kind of retarded thinking is all Israel has left to count on…
If only OBL and the other nutters just knew how much they were playing into their hands.
I think you got it backwards. What people like OBL wanted was exactly what they got out of the US-Israel relationship — proof that the United States really is a threat to the entire Muslim world, and that Israel really is pulling the strings.
People seem to think that what al Qaeda wants is to kill lots and lots of Americans. If that were really the case, those planes would have been flown into Three Mile Island rather than the Pentagon or the WTC. What al Qaeda wanted was for the US to become the “great Satan” that the claimed to be fighting. And through invasions and Gitmo and Abu Gharib and Predator drones… we obliged them rather readily, didn’t we?
I agree with you Chaos4700 that something of motive and desired outcome can be gleaned from the target list. However, the utility of this tool is constrained by the assumptions we make about how well 9-11 planners understood American domestic politics. For example, did they understand the role of the Israeli Lobby in formulation of US Middle Eastern policy when they chose the Pentagon over AIPAC? What does the previous targeting of the WTC say about its importance as a symbol (of what exactly) in the worldview of extremists in the fringe where Al Qaeda recruits?
Does anyone have links to assessments by professionals on any of these questions?
it’s the Holocaust-R-Us franchise branching out and introducing a new product.
the difference is that State-backed terror is sold by the media as defending our freedoms… while rogue terror is used as an excuse to take them away. thanks alot OBL Bush, Cheney and Olmert.
Of course, Israel should celebrate 911. Wasn’t that clear when the four Israeli moving company employees were discovered cheering in New Jersey as the towers fell that this was the godsend Israel was waiting for. It was their halleyula moment, it is only appropriate that they should celebrate it today.
The Shea Memorandum published not long after the completion of the 9/11 commission report lays out the facts on those Israeli spies in the USA.
Citizen, do you have a link to this memorandum?
Oscar, I already put the link on an earlier thread here this week; or you can google it; it should come right up before your eyes–I’d get it for you but I have a dinner to go to.
Why don’t the Israelis built monuments for the thousands of Iraqi children they’d killed in 2003 by proxy?
Isn’t Capital Hill effectively a monument to that already, at this point? Two monuments would be gratuitous.
Capitol Hill is not a monument – it’s a heap of trash that need recycling.
RE: “a memorial for the victims of the September 11 bombings is now a public monument in Jerusalem”
MY COMMENT: Call me a cynic, but perhaps it was the “vehicle” for a very successful fundraiser accumulating ten times or more the cost of the memorial mostly from gullible Americans. I wonder what the excess funds will be used for.
MY COMMENT: Call me a cynic, but perhaps it was the “vehicle” for a very successful fundraiser accumulating ten times or more the cost of the memorial mostly from gullible Americans. I wonder what the excess funds will be used for.
Which begs the question, why now? Why did it take Israel 8 years to put up a memorial, in Jerusalem no less?
The other question lingering in the back of my mind is, will the Israeli government use the memorial for PR purposes much in the same way the Yad Vashem memorial is used now days — where every foreign diplomat or VIP is taken on the obligatory visit to Yad Vashem? Do you remember Obama at the Western Wall?
Perhaps the September 11 memorial will be used by Israel to bolster support in the US for keeping Jerusalem – all of Jerusalem – under Israeli sovereignty. Keep in mind that Israel doesn’t need to prove anything to any US government, but should US government strategic interests in the region shift, a 9/11 memorial could be used to appeal directly to the American public.
Well, if they use it like Yad Vashem then I’m sure they’ll point out that the Grand Mufti was the real mastermind behind 9-11.
Exactly. It’s meant to show that as of 9/11, “we’re all Israelis.”
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
yes gulible is partially right however do not forget the constent brainwashing the movies and cartoons play in the every day & everyhour of the worlds eyes. There is almost no way to escape the planting of the seeds of “poor victims” by the very people that victimize the world from the abscence of the truth. What about the olsen or olson lady arrested after 911 by the mi6 in britian, whom was supposed to be on one of the plane that flew into the towers, how is that possible? Or the 19 hijackers whom where all found to be verymuch alive and living. How is it possible the world has missed the fact there was no plane parts found at the pentagon and that the plane that was shot down by the military from the supposed”lets roll” episode. I do not doubt there was deaths due to the towers but in the planes how can a passport be found of a spposed hijacker a block away? Impossible ! All the funds stolen from the zars and what had happened from that time in history are not repeated forever more and planted in the worlds minds..why only them?
I am convinced “the room” plays a large part in the three branches of government and other aspects of government. What is taking place? Where they really aliens from another planet showing the “official” truth of what they are and how they will take over our planet if they are made pissy enough. There is no reasonable explaination why an event terrible as the holocaust was strickly for the jews, too much evidence has been blocked from investigations in the facts of whom exactly was killed, they were not all jews and the numbers do not jive with the reality or historic events later.
It is possible to be a billionaire with all the “swamp land” sold to the world. What is the world affraid of. ..beside the truth, why is it they are allowed to do all they do and get away scott free . something is very unkosher about it all.
I do agree the people of “unstability” that are played as if they are going to give the world a taste of retribution are patsies, as seen in the streets preaching about radical islam as being “what is comming or here ” and also that the few people that are snapping due to the never ending stories about the unfairness in all that is done in the name of religon. Look at how in the most recent years the evangelical movement has been spread, by none other than whom, you guessed it. The lies that will bring down civilizations and enslave the world can not be good either can the falsities of any religon especially ones that give the roghts to only a “chosen group”.
Christine amanipour almost feel off when Hass had said,”let me finish”, too bad her time was used up by the repeating of the same lines used by all the supporters. What is it they are affraid of…besides being completely and morally wrong and having the world find out they are being ..well screwed and robbed by whom a chosen few that will never stop until all the people are stuck into the slavery of either starving and supporting their families or looking for work. Look at the three major credit corps and whom they are. A monopolization of the world has taken place and MUST BE reversed.
OMG this site has just been infested with 911 truthers. This is designed to turn any rational people away. Is that your goal Javs?
You know what? Fuck it, then. Far be it for the rest of us to apply scientific or engineering knowledge to the observational evidence. At this point it doesn’t matter who brought those goddamn towers down — many orders of magnitude more innocent people have died since 9/11, because of our reaction to 9/11. So who the hell cares about 9/11 anymore?
Keep an open mind, syv. We accept the official story because the alternative is so shocking/etc.
We don’t have to talk about the Towers/etc., but you’re dismissing this guy who posts on this blog for a long time – and whom no one has problems with. You sum him up as a ‘truther’ as if he’s a newbie to Mondoweiss and as if that’s ALL he is.
I agree, there is a taboo and a kind of clut-status w/ the ‘Truth’ crowd but then again, people who are ignorant of the I-P conflict could be scratching their heads at the stuff we talk about.
RE: ” infested with 911 truthers.”
You are over reacting. Are you satisfied with the 9/11 commission’s report and the Sheah (sic) memorandum? Happy with the quickie USS Liberty investigation too? How about the murder of JFK? You think merely to raise questions is the act of an insect, an infestation? How about the Gulf of Tonken (sic) tool? Shrub’s original WMD pretext for attacking our old buddy Sadsack?
No I was not satisfied with the 911 commish. That is why I am so pissed off at the 911 truthers who keep on bringing up the controlled demolition crap. Those fools have so poisoned the debate that it is not possible to discuss some of the more plausible questions. For example, why were those Israeli moving company employees cheering while the towers collapsed? What did those Israeli intelligence operatives learn about the very real Saudis that carried out the attack? Who were those art students? Any attempt to discuss these questions become diverted into arguing against these fools who insist that hijacked planes were not responsible in the first place. I for one will not raise any of the points that I think are legitimate in polite company for fear of being identified with the nutcases.
I agree that the ‘truther’ group should not ‘infect’ this site. Most contributors are quite happy to piss around in the sand pit of I/P ‘politics’.
But I think (believe me, I do) that 911 had a lot of Israeli input, and I resent that, because it led to an 8 + years war against Muslims (with more to come)
The findings of the Shea Report make it clear that Israel gave the USA early warning
a month before 9/11, but that warning was vague; the question remains: did the Israeli agents (under cover as art students and moving company employees & under the guidance of their superiors back in Israel) intentionally withhold more specific information they had obtained?
http://ariwatch.com/Links/SheaMemorandumIsrael/SheaMemorandumIsrael.htm
Ye Gods, please don’t let Mondoweiss become a bottomless well of 9/11 conspiracy theory postings! This is an important site that is making a mark on the I/P debate.
All those with an interest in the these-facts-do-not-compute aspects of 9/11 (and israeli complicity and subsequent advantage-taking) have had years and years to go over the material and yes a lot of it stinks to high heaven but nearly everyone who has looked into it has their mind made up already. Only a legitimate investigation that puts people under oath and under penalty of imprisonment and free from the control of a zionist gatekeeper will ever unearth facts that will be accepted by all.
The new 9/11 propaganda device israel is unveiling is yet another disgusting attempt to manipulate U.S. public perception in keeping with what Netanyahu pitched on live U.S. television on 9/11 that the attacks were “very good for israel” and that somehow America is equivalent to israel in terms of the threats we face and the causes. This stinks too and it comes so late it seems almost desperate.
Ah, one more observation: israel and their lackeys in the U.S. power structure amped up fear fear fear in the wake 0f 9/11 to wage the Greater Israel campaign (the Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran/Syria, etc. wars) and in the year after 9/11 so many people were afraid to fly that auto traffic deaths in the U.S. spiked up – beyond the 3,000+ number of people who died on that day from the attacks. So if the neocons hadn’t used fear to scare people into not flying, would those people still be alive?
Ok, I’m gonna take the counter view:
This is not the first Israeli memorial to an American tragedy. Take, for example “Yad Kennedy” near Jerusalem – an image of a truncated tree trunk memorializing JFK.
Is it ok for Israel to mark 9/11? sure. Weren’t Americans moved to tears when the Stars and Stripes were played as part of a religious service in Westminister Abbey, London? There is a kinship between the UK and the US/ Similarly, Israeli Jews feel the same way about the US. Think of the many Jewish victims of 9/11 in New York. I dislike Olmert as much (and probably more, I had him as my mayor) as the next Mondoweisser and his statement at the memorial’s dedication was typically inflammatory.
Don’t we want to encourage Israel to emulate the best of the West? How about an American-style democracy for starters?
I’d go after Olmert and his camp – not the memorial itself.
Er, how many Jewish victims of 9/11 were there? One? I agree many Jews worked in the twin towers, but I’ve not seen any evidence indicating other than at most only a couple were killed. There’s even info questioning how could that be all over the internet.
Citizen, not that this was my main point but I know a NY rabbi who conducted memorial services for many of the Jewish victims of the 9/11 attacks. Certainly, there were many more than a couple of Jewish victims.
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