The Al-Bader Flour Mill. The destroyed area in the middle contained the mill’s production facility. (Photo: gloucester2gaza)
Ethan Bronner’s article on the Israeli response to the Goldstone Report said that Israel hopes to discredit Goldstone’s account of the conflict, and especially the contention that Israel purposely attacked Gaza’s civilian infrastructure. Bronner referenced the destruction of the Al-Bader flour mill, Gaza’s only working flour mill at the time, and shared Israel’s version of events:
The Goldstone report asserts that the Bader flour mill “was hit by an airstrike, possibly by an F-16.” The Israeli investigators say they have photographic proof that this is false, that the mill was accidentally hit by artillery in the course of a firefight with Hamas militiamen.
Bronner inexplicably did not seek out confirmation of Israel’s claims, and instead just reported on the Israeli "proof." We have been posting segments from the Goldstone Report, and one of the amazing resources that the United Nations has made available are the actual transcripts of the testimony the Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict heard. Here is the testimony regarding the destruction of the Al-Bader flour mill. It was given during a public hearing in Gaza City on June 29, 2009. You can find all the transcripts here.
(Note: The UN makes clear this is an unofficial transcript and is "posted as an information guide to the contents of the Public Hearings.")
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Well, good afternoon. This is – I welcome you back for the afternoon session on this, the second and concluding day of our public hearings in Gaza, and our first witness this afternoon is Mr. Rashad Hamada. I welcome you, Mr. Hamada, and thank you very much for coming to speak to us. I just want to confirm that you are aware that the proceedings are being televised, not only in Gaza but elsewhere in the world and that you have no objection.
Voice of interpreter speaking Arabic
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Thank you very much indeed. If you could tell us your full name and what you do, and then if you can talk to us about the events concerning the Al-Bader Flour Mill,that is owned by you and your brother.
Mr. Rashad Hamada
To begin with, I would like just salute to all the members of this Mission. My name is Rashad Mohammed Abraham Hamada. I am the general director and in charge of all the companies of Rashad Mohammed and Brothers Holdings. My brother and myself are the owners, and we work in the field of food production. We have a factory for tomato canning and another factory for fruit canning, in addition to Al-Bader Flour Mills, these were targeted during the Israeli aggression against Gaza.
In addition, we have a factory for the production of diapers. Our company, in normal days, has about 200 employees, be they engineers, technicians or workers. This is my introduction about myself, as you asked.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Thank you, Mr. Al-Bader, if you would continue telling us something about the factory, the size, where it’s located and what happened during the Operation Cast Lead.
Mr. Rashad Hamada
During the Cast Lead Operation against Gaza, Al-Bader Flour Mill were destroyed. These flourmills of Rashad Hamada and Brothers, we had established in the year 2000. The production capacity is 220 tons daily. To establish this flour mill in the Gaza Strip was originally to make sure there was a provision of flour to all the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, especially during times of crisis, especially during the event of 2003, during the incursion into the Gaza, uh –. And at the beginning of the year 2000, we also had very large production, and at the beginning of the siege of Gaza, there were 15,000 tons of wheat and we were able to provide supplies for all the inhabitants of Gaza.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Wheat, ah, flour.
Mr. Rashad Hamada
The local market, the local market, because the local market needs the full capacity of production of the mill. In addition, in 2005, we also faced some problems at the crossings because of the repeated closures. The mill covered all the needs of the Gaza Strip. This flourmill, and we thank God it is a private flourmill with no political affiliation. It is a purely economic activity.
At the end of last year, in particular, after the fourth of November 2008 the crossing points were closed. Wheat was denied access into the Strip. Fortunately, the flourmill had a reserve. This reserve was about 9,000 tons of wheat. This quantity of flour was the protective shield for the inhabitants of Gaza in order not to force a famine and a shortage of flour in the Gaza Strip.
We continued working with this quantity from the fourth of November until the day of the war, on the 27th of December 2008. One week or ten days before the start of the war, all the other flourmills in Gaza no longer had any wheat, and the concentration of flour for the whole need of the Gaza Strip was only from our factory, from Al-Bader Flour Mill. And we coordinated with the bakeries to distribute wheat only to bakeries, not to houses, not to households, because the flour, when given to the bakeries, every particular quantity or bag of wheat can cover for 20 families, when given to a bakery. However, when the bag itself is sold to a household, then it is only sufficient for one household. And it may not even be able to buy another bag because of political instability and each household may even buy four to keep in reserve.
On the 27th of December the war was waged. We continued working for four or five days. During the war, the mill was working 24 hours a day and we had also been working 24 hours a day one month prior to this date, we were working around the clock. We received a recorded message by telephone on a landline asking us to evacuate the mill. This call came from Israel. That was a Wednesday, the Wednesday after the beginning of the war.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Did the person say who he was, with who he was calling for, from?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
The person speaking on the phone, I did not hear him personally but I was told by the worker at the factory who had received the phone call that the Israeli Defense Force orders to evacuate the factory.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Mm hmm.
Mr. Rashad Hamada
I remember that was on a Wednesday, so it was the 30th or 31st of December 2008. We evacuated the factory of all workers, a total evacuation and waited until the next day. The factory was not hit. We went back to work for 24 hours, another 24 hours. We worked until Saturday or Sunday. So, this was about eight, nine days after the beginning of the war.
We received another message, I do not remember – the workers told me that it was Sunday, maybe, or Monday. We were told to evacuate the factory. The factory was evacuated. I would just like here to give you an idea of what this factory consists of. The factory is a part of several factories that are located in a closed area, a completely closed areas of 45,000 square meters was the surface area. It is surrounded by an external wall that is four meters high of cement, in addition to barbed wire at four meters distance.
The flourmill is located at 6,500 meters from that area. Next to the flourmill, there is also a diapers factory and it has refrigeration for the tomato canning. And there is also a plant for tomatoes – processing of tomatoes. We also have warehouses, commercial warehouses, and there are two houses, a house for my brother and a house for my children. And always there are three guards in this area.
After getting the second warning telling us to evacuate the plant, it was totally evacuated and my children and my brother also evacuated the land area of the flourmill where the houses are. And we have other houses and other factories, other businesses in El Tofah neighborhood in Gaza so we went there, and we left the guards in that area, in the factory land.
On the dawn of the tenth of January, we received a call from the guard telling us that the factory was targeted by air with a missile and that it had caught fire. After 15 minutes, he called us again and told us that there are tanks approaching the area and that the factory was targeted with tank fire. We immediately informed the ICRC and the Civil Defense in order to put out the fire in the mill. At 11:00 a.m., we were told by the Civil Defense that the fire had been put out and that the guard had been evacuated from the surface area of the factory.
Hamdan Hamada shows the remains of Al Bader Flour Mill. (Photo: Karl Schembri, Oxfam)
What happened at the mill is a total destruction, a total destruction of the whole production line of the factory. Because this factory, in fact, is vertical, the equipment is set vertically. There are six floors. The production line was destroyed from the sixth floor to the ground floor. Three floors, the fifth, sixth and fourth were destroyed including all the equipment, total destruction, therefore the building and the equipment. And the other three floors, the first, second and third floors, they were totally burned. This led to the following.
Firstly, this flourmill today is no longer operational at all. Secondly, this flour mill – the wheat that – that had to be, eh, that was to be brought in from the Israeli companies could not come through, could not be received at the mill, and the workers and employees who used to work for this factory are now unemployed. We also have a worse catastrophe. Our losses in this mill are 2.5 million American dollars. In addition to the loss of income from the day of the strike until this very day, as I said, there is also another problem because we lost what is more precious than the treasures of the world, my – our son, my nephew and the son of my partner and my brother-in-law, Dr. Mahir Hamada, who has six children, he fell from the fifth floor to the ground and that was during his going through to check on the results of the events on the 19th of February 2009.
In addition to all of the above, we have 3,000 tons of wheat in the Yivolei Hatavor, Israeli company. This company is now refusing to deliver this – these goods for, uh, an amount of 1.5 million U.S. dollars, that’s the value of the goods. Alleging that I did not receive the goods at delivery time and therefore, the company had to go bankrupt and the money of the 3,000 tons are included in this bankruptcy.
We have a side problem, and here I would like to address an appeal to Ban Ki-moon, Mr. Ban Ki-moon, because this is a problem I have with the U.N. UNRWA owes me $6,500.00 since 2006. I ask Mr. Ban Ki-moon to ask Mr. John Ging to help give this money back to me for some reason or another, Mr. John Ging refused to pay this amount for reasons that I believe are unjustifiable. Today, we have $1.5 million lost because of the Israeli businessman, we have 2.5 million lost because of the loss of equipment. The minimum is that Mr. John Ging would give us $360,000.00, this is money that he had received, that the goods received by UNRWA, that if he gives us this money we would be able to pay our workers, we’d give them their salaries.
If John Ging believes that we are at fault, the faultive must not be decapitated, he must not be put to death. What we have already suffered from the practices of the occupation is tremendous and I know that the United Nations is here to help the Palestinian people not to take revenge on the Palestinian people. I therefore appeal to Mr. Ban Ki-moon, and I appeal Mr. John Ging and your good selves to help me get back the $360,000.00 which is the price of the goods that was received by UNRWA, so that we may be able to pay the salaries to our workers.
There is something else I would like to refer to with regards to this hearing. The Israelis and I – and us, we have to live side by side on this land. We’re destined to live together on this land, and I call on all political factions to work on achieving peace in this region and I call on Mr. Barack Obama, the U.S. President, to do his utmost to achieve peace on this land. Peace is the objective of the Palestinian people, of the United Nations and of all peoples of the world. We are a peace-loving nation. We want peace. All wars take place and at the end we achieve peace, and this is what we want, we want peace, enough war.
And in conclusion, I appeal to the world and the Mission and the United Nations, and I am hopeful that this will be the last fact-finding mission to come to our country to investigate crimes. We want you to come in celebration, to celebrate the establishment of our state and to fly high our Palestinian flag and to live in peace with our neighbors and our people.
In conclusion, we call on you to quickly lift the siege and allow goods to go through so that we can reconstruct our factories and reconstruct our homes. If the siege is not lifted, this mission and other missions will remain in vain. We do not want words, we want acts. We want the United Nations to take action. We have been suffering for two full years under siege. We did not see the United Nations doing anything for us. We see that in Darfur there is a problem, the whole world goes running to Darfur, in Cambodia and Laos, everywhere in the world, but here, when we speak of the Palestinian people, everybody closes his ears, they do not want to hear about us or our problems. We call on the world, we call on the United Nations and we call on all those responsible in this area, in this region to find a solution to this conflict. Enough war, enough bloodshed.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Mr. Hamada, thank you very much for your coming – for telling us about the destruction of your factory, and in particular, I would like to thank you for the very moving plea for peace. And I can assure you that I know I speak on behalf of all four of us, that nothing would make us happier or more fulfilled or content than if this is the last fact-finding mission into violations of human rights law and international humanitarian law in this area. Let us hope and pray that that may come about.
I’ll now ask the members of the Mission if they would like to ask any questions.
Colonel Desmond Travers
Mr. Hamada, thank you very much for your very detailed presentation. You mentioned that the strike by the F-16 was very precise or very deliberate. Can you tell us why, in your opinion, that this was so?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
Let us be truthful in what we say, war is war. War is war. Be it economic through siege, be it, uh, through F-16s, it is war. It is a war that took place and, uh, continues. It is a war that was launched by Israel and these are the results. We see the results. The shelling, the death and the destruction, but war is war. We have been dying for over two years, dying of siege and the last war came as a culmination of the siege.
Hina Jilani
Thank you, Mr. Hamada, for your statement. Do you have any opinion on why the Israeli defense forces targeted this particular establishment, this particular mill?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
From what we could see on the ground and from what we had in Gaza, this flour mill was the only flour mill for the past ten years providing for the needs of the Gaza Strip in wheat. It is well known everywhere in Gaza. And in Israel, they know that Al-Bader Flour Mill – know that the strategic reserve of flour for the strip was there. The Israelis prohibited the entry of wheat on the fourth of November 2008.
There is no flourmill that works except ours and it was shelled. I do not want to give conclusions. It is well known, this is a flourmill that works and that provides for the needs of the country. It was targeted because we are in a state of war. There is no peace. What I know is that war is war. We hope that all of this will end and will be replaced by peace and that we will forget about these hearings.
As for the targeting, it is because a flourmill that is working. There were four flourmills that were not producing and were not targeted. My flour mill is far from international borders, by six kilometers distance, and it is far from the eastern borders, also six kilometers. I am at the seashore, at the seaside and it’s an open area. There is no resistance there. After the end of the war, I went to have a look and I asked are there any combatants that died here, any Israelis that died? Not at all, nobody told me of any kind of resistance in the whole area.
And as I told you, this flourmill is in a closed area, 45 dunums, that is totally fenced, cement walls and there are three guards who are permanently present. We do not allow any person to enter except with a special authorization. Therefore, I – I do not want – what I can say is that war is war. All the factories in the eastern region were destroyed. Did they also have resistance? I don’t know, but what I do know is that vital factories were targeted. Why? Because war is war, I say it again, and we want peace, enough war.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Mr. Hamada, if I can just get some understanding. The – you refer to the factory being in a closed area with a wall, was that just for the flour factory or was it closed also for other factories and other businesses?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
This factory – this flourmill – the flourmill is a part of a whole, it is one part. The mill is 6.5 dunums within 45 dunums that are totally closed. In this area there is the tomato factory, the tomato refrigeration, there are the diapers factory, the warehouses. There is the house of my brother, my house. All of this together is closed in four meters high cement walls and barbed wire. Only the production line of the flourmill was targeted.
The tomato factory was not targeted. The diapers factory was not targeted. The houses, uh, they were taken in after the incursion. They used the houses, the houses were entered into at that time, but nothing in the mill justifies it, there is no resistance, nor in the mill nor around it, neither in the mill nor around it.
And as I told you, after they ceased fire and the end of the war, I asked the neighbors, I asked everybody around, did anybody die, anybody was a martyr, anybody wounded, any Israeli wounded, any Palestinian wounded. I was told there was no resistance whatsoever.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
And was the whole closed area part of the Al-Bader – under Al-Bader ownership?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
Yes, exactly. The closed area, the whole closed area, 45 dunums or 45,000 square meters is the property of the owners of Bader, Rashad Hamada and Brothers. It is private property. We are four brothers, co-owners of all of these businesses.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
When was the factory built?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
It was built in the year 2000.
Christine Chinkin
Thank you again for your very full account. I understand that after the shelling of the factory, the Israeli soldiers came in and fired from the roof of the factory into the surrounding areas, is that right and could you describe what are the surrounding areas, what were they firing into and what were the targets there?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
This is correct. I do not know what they were targeting, I wasn’t there. However, I saw the results of the firing in the flourmill, I didn’t see who they were targeting or where they were firing, I wasn’t there. Testimony has to be real, it’s a word of truth, I cannot tell you what they targeted or who they targeted. What I did see are the empty bullets in the factory, on the factory roof, that’s what I saw.
Christine Chinkin
But what is in the surrounding areas? What are the surrounding areas like?
Mr. Rashad Hamada
They are all residential houses and agricultural land. Agricultural and residential property, this is what surrounds it.
Christine Chinkin
Thank you.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Well, thank you again, Mr. Hamada, and for coming to talk to us. We are very grateful to you. We’ll take just a five-minute adjournment while the next witness is getting comfortable.
Mr. Rashad Hamada
I have just a small world, where at the end of this encounter, I call again on the Mission and those in charge in the United Nations to work on lifting this siege as quickly as possible and to allow us to reconstruct our property. In Arabic, we say don’t cry over him who lost his, uh, his money, but cry over him who lost his work. Today, we have lost our work in the flourmill in addition to losing the production of the other factories, the diapers, the tomato canning and the other canning facility, we lost all of that because raw material is not allowed into the Gaza Strip.
So we appeal to you to work on lifting the siege so we may receive raw material. And here, I would like to let you know that I spoke to the Israelis, I called them and I sent them a message, saying that I call on them to allow us to bring in equipment in order to restart working the flour mill, and they answered please send us a letter. I did, I sent a letter with details of what I need and they said that they would look into this as a special request so that they would allow us to reconstruct the flourmill and bring in the necessary machinery. Thank you.
Chairman Richard Goldstone
Thank you, Mr. Hamada. I assure you that the Mission will take into account very seriously all of the pleas that you have made this afternoon. We’ll adjourn for five minutes.
South African Judge Richard Goldstone (a Zionist Jew) has become the second most popular figure (after Dr. Ahmadinejad), since the publication of UN Human Right Commission Report, usually referred as the “Goldstone Report” – acussing both the occupying State of Israel and Islamic Resistant group Hamas – but mostly the State of Israel – for committing crimes against humainty during the Dec-Jan 2009 Gazzah invasion by Israel. Against all the anti-report and Goldstone’s character assassination by the Zionist thugs – Laat week the UN Human Right Council approved Goldstone report by a majority vote (the US voted against, as expected) and sent it to the UN Security Council for the appropriate action.
Now, the Jewish Lobby is blackmailing the Congress to condemn the findings of Goldstone report concerning Israeli atrocities during its schedule debate on October 3. One of the four member-panel of the UN report, retired Col. Desmond Travers (Irish Army) in an interview with the Harpers magazine (October 29, 2009) confirmed that Hamas did not use civilians as hostages as claimed by Israel. When asked that Israeli claim that its forces (IOF) are the “most moral army in the world” – Col Travers replied: “Given the tactics, the weapon used, and the indiscriminate targeting, I think this is a dubious claim.”
Last week, Bill Moyers interviewd Richard Goldstone (a video clip at the end of this post). Below are some pertinent excerpts from that interview:
link to rehmat1.wordpress.com
I fear that the user, rehmat’s comments consistently border on antisemitism. We should focus on facts and substance to our claims rather than blanket blaming things on “Zionist Jews” “Jewish lobby”
I feel really uncomfortable with the content posted on the website of this user and it’s not helping us to mix our cause with that of general warfare against Jews.
BSDNow why can’t you spell your pseudonym right?
Are you a quiet hasbara or what?
I also think Rehmat’s comments seem sometimes to be over the top, but when I look into the details on her website, I find she’s right
Are you squirming BSD? Good, very good. We all know how “destructive” a flour mill is don’t we? It produces that contraband product called food, that would help to feed people – disgraceful. The flour mill is only secondary to things like – olives, those weapons of mass destruction. However, the ultimate in terror is chickens, especially lots of chickens gathered in one place, no wonder they were crushed beneath the tracks of tanks.
hey BSD if you are human like us can you comment on this Article please?
Interestingly, clicking on “BSD” takes us to “www.bsd.org” website, which is essentially a hodgepodge of nothing. At the bottom of the page, we are told that “BSD is a registered trademark of UUnet Technologies, Inc.”
UUnet Technologies continues to be one of the largest producers of spam, even after being acquired by Verizon.
I’ve been saying from day 1, that he’s a troll. The oblivious nature of his commentary + ironic name. Kind of obvious. And yea, the link is weird.
he’s definitely a troll. the first time i encountered him he linked to a camera resource. hello. if i wanted to debate the foreign ministry’s office i’d interact w/him more.
blaming things on “Zionist Jews” “Jewish lobby”
bwwwwwaaaah
gee YA THINK
Rehmat’s postings are largely anti-semitic and that doesn’t help our cause. It’s important to focus on facts, moral right, and appropriate discourse. These sort of postings lower the legitimacy of this website and serve to alienate possible readers and truth seekers.
If you haven’t noticed, BSDNOW, you’re not doing a whole lot to help “our” cause. Not the least of which being that none of us believe you are anything other than a troll.
People in glass houses shouldn’t walk around in their underwear. Yes, we can see it. Put some pants on.
Bullshit.
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The ‘Bullshit’ remark was meant in reply to BSDNOW January 27, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Lower the legitimacy? It doesn’t do anything of the sort.
Look at Jerusalem Post, YNet, Haaretz, etc. Look at any blog that covers a controversial issue.
The commentary will always reflect the controversial nature of the conflict. It will also include views that are within the periphery of the main issues. Such as ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish power and identity, ‘identity politics’ in general, ‘New Media’ vs. ‘Old Media’, etc. etc.
The commentary does not reflect the views of the blog. You judge a blog on it’s articles. Phil has a very loose moderation system.
Furthermore, BSD, you only make these posts when ‘Jewishness’ are slighted. You do not do the same for the anti-Arab and Islamophobic commentary that is spewed forth by Zionists like Baruch Rosen.
Why do you not care about racism and bigotry when it happens to others, BSD? Do you silently agree w/ these hateful beliefs? I think THAT is not helpful to ‘our’ cause.
BSD, what is “our cause”?
“Furthermore, BSD, you only make these posts when ‘Jewishness’ are slighted.”
Oh no, not at all. It’s only the slighting of Zionists or Israelis, and conflating them with all Jews to make the anti-Semitism kvetch is what he does.
And BSD tells us the the Goldstone report is the product of “politics” and not of “morality”.
Ah yes, Israel, the country untouched by politics.
There’s nothing remotely anti-semitic in Rehmat’s comments on this board. You dont like it? Leave.
And what’s this deal about not “blaming things on ‘Zionist Jews’?” Excuse me, darling, but Netanyahu at the UN last September emphasized that Israel must be a Jewish State. His words, not mine. In addition, the Israeli leadership says it will not talk to the Palestinians until they recognize that Israel is a “Jewish State.” So if you have a bitch about the terms, complain to Israel. A Jewish State means that it’s a nation of Jews, and the fact that their polity is Zionist is its choice, not mine, nor the choice of anyone here.
So Israel is full of Zionist Jews, by its own description, and when there is someone to blame, that’s who is going to get blamed. Period. Humans get the blame for the actions of a state.
Rehmat’s posting are anti-semetic. It’s a major issue if we accept every anti-Jewish person as being “on our side” because they are also anti-Israel.
This is my last comment on this particular post, I am concerned about ad-hominum attacks rather than substance.
BSD,
I’m not thrilled with some of Rehmat’s posts either, and to be honest I’ve stopped reading them. I find your remark about “our cause” however, rather laughable, considering the fact that I’ve never seen you champion anything remotely connected to what might be termed “our cause” here on this site.
I am concerned about ad-hominum attacks rather than substance.
Well said. That’s exactly the problem with most of your posts. It’s called sidetracking. Just to bring things back to topic. We were discussing the intentional starvation of 1.5 million human beings.
BSD, you never make statements of ‘substance’. You do not explain yourself.
You’re just an agent provocateur. I kept thinking of some Hasbara manual/report that recently said the Zios should try to drive a wedge between anti-Zionists.
Anyways, carry on, troll.
Shame that BSDNOW can’t even spell words like ‘anti-semetic’ or ‘ad-hominum’ or write two sentences that make sense> Best to just avoid even glancing at anything headed BSDNOW.
BSD,
Can you define anti-semi please? i just don’t know anymore whats anti-semi and whats not!
Listen bud we are all human beings, can you at least understand this?
What about Rehmat’s postings are anti-semetic? Do yuo care to be more specific, or are you going to resort to Witty like broad brush strokes?
Shingo BSD reminds me of the girl that Hasbared this bullshit to Finkelstein, have a look at this link to youtube.com
Yes I saew that vid recently. Imagine that, someone trying to out Holocaust the son of Holocaust survivors?
yes he just destroyed her! I just can’t tolerate these actions anymore, its irrational and cruel to use the sufferance of Jews in order to justify the sufferance of Palestinians!
Zionism is a sickeness in many ways, because it’s supporters can never debate the topic of the I/P conflict on the facts and justice, but entirely on emotion. That girl is representative of this condition. She wasn’t listenign to what Fink had to say and didn’t even try to debate him on the topic. All she did was listen for references to the Holocaust and Jews and that’s all she was concerned with hearing.
Ya, I remember that from the movie.
Looks like all the Zios from the lecture, used tactic # 3, ‘the world sucks’.
thank you Shmuel, this is where i’m at too.
here’s my rant:
frankly i felt very emotional after reading this testimony. mr Hamada’s words, the way he conveyed his dignity. i fear for him and his family for the risk he’s taking merely by being truthful, and for what? what chance is there anything will ever come from this report and why? there is only one reason alone why the US would dismiss this report without even affording it a thorough review and we all know what that reason is. whether we call it blackmail or influence or bribery or some PC version to obscure what we all know to be true, given the opportunity to stand up to the zionist lobby congress continually FAILS.
it is going to have to be the global community standing up to this zionist entity (THUGS).. (and no, i do not believe all zionists are evil and obviously in the context of rehmat’s post the only zionist he mentioned was goldstone for god’s sake) because for whatever reason our congress is lacking in cajones , desecrating any principle grounded in fairness equality opportunity justice humanitarian…what goldstone’s conclusion described as ” violate fundamental human rights and obligations of a humanitarian character.”
and for what???? fear of reprisal? will they loose their job, reputation or worse? what happens when you cross the zionist lobby? and is it not true goldstone has become the second most popular figure after ahmadinejad accusing the (occupying) state of israel ? of course! he was just compared to hitler by one of those zionist thugs as a matter of fact.
what hypocritical pipsqueak troll comes in here, totally ignores this devastating testimony, has not one iota of critique directed at the contents of the post (otherwise known as SUBSTANCE ) , chooses now at the very top of this thread to complain about anti semite connotations over the terms ‘jewish lobby’ and ‘zionist jews’, and has the audacity to accuse others of ad hominem attacks?
there is an effective remedy for confronting anti semitism on these threads, write the site administrators. this is their blog and it is for them to be the judge and jury, not some troll who thinks he’s fooling anyone w/a name like ‘bds now’.
This is my last comment on this particular post
the last comment on this particular blog would suit me just fine.
Good rant, Annie.
“It’s a major issue if we accept every anti-Jewish person as being “on our side” because they are also anti-Israel.”
That’s what happens when you have a country, you better get used to it.
You know a way to stop it?
And again, what is “the cause” in which you join us?
I am not anti-semi myself, but those goddam “doubles” they run here in Warshington are dangerous! I’ve nearly ended up on that 20 ft. “stinger” which separates the two trailers.
Cliff, get it right!
1. Israel Rocks!
2. Arabs Suck!
3 . You Suck!
4. The Whole world Sucks!
“Whole World Sucks!” is No. 4, not 3! To atone for this failure in numerology, read the article at:
link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com
BSDNOW, there is a small “button” at the bottom of each comment labeled “report abuse”.
Press it, and report the comment, if you can come up with a specific and coherent complaint.
Or you could just sort of campaign by inference against the person.
And watch that “we”, chump. You want to explain just how you figure that “we” for yourself?
I REALLY WISH that people here would refrain from commenting on other commenters and instead address the issues.
If a commenter is truly a troll, the proper response is to ignore it.
Hamada’s account of what happened is very impressive, except that he could not personally confirm that an air attack destroyed his flour mill.
This will be a major plank in Israel’s defence of their activities in Gaza, so look out for an ‘Artillery Error’.
Perhaps the Goldstone committee might have called the on-site guard as a witness.
It seems that, in fact, a ground-based heavy artillery attack caused the very specific damage to the flour factory (leaving tomato and diaper plants undamaged). The photo link to mondoweiss.net
shows just how accurate the Israeli attack was.
To target a factory like this, with such accuracy as to leave the side parts still standing, demonstrate the Israelis’ intentions better than almost anything else
There is not a lot of difference between artillery and airforce bombs, these days, because, in both cases, the operators know exactly what they hitting, and their advisors, safely behind the lines somewhere in Israel, who give them the exact coordinates, know exactly what they are doing.
Sure the guard can testify, but he’s an Arab and you know they all lie.
Sure, he would be technically lying if he said that the missile came from an F-16 airplane, when it really came from artillery. How would he know the difference about something coming from the sky?
The excuse is that “militants” were using the plant as cover.
Yes, they were hiding in flour sacks…
flour resembles White phosphor maybe thats why they bombed it?
except that he could not personally confirm that an air attack destroyed his flour mill.
as opposed to what? i don’t think israel denied they took it out, they are just alleging they did it by mistake or something.
They’re alleging it was a legitimate target because firing was coming from the vicinity.
Which is why the photo of the complex shows extensive damage to the buildings either side of the flour mill – doesn’t it? The very comprehensive damage to one particular section was the result of a very smart artillery bomb, or several, given precise coordinates for the only productive flour factory in Gaza.
But if they asked him to evacuate the factory it means that they scheduled the operation? which also means that they were in no way firing on combatants?
Actually aparisian they knew that even if they wanted the workers to evacuate, that the terrorists would stay wrapped up in the flour sacks. Because we all know the so-called asymmetric warfare, they would rather die in the flour sacks and later be claimed as civilians…to make Israel look bad…
hey Witty, yonira What do you think of this article?
Witty won’t care — he can’t see Palestinians, especially when they suffer, so he won’t believe anything in this article. Yonira will either just point and laugh, or he’ll start dropping f-bombs and calling people names. Or both. There are very few posts from him that don’t match that rubric, after all.
Of course they advised him, several times, to evacuate the factory, and he did so. There was no warning for the final attack.
aparisian That is why there were no reported casualties, and only a single guard, and no employees were present when the flour factory was attacked.
The IDF gave several warnings to Hamada, by telephone, from 30 December onwards, including a final call on 4 Jan 2009, but didn’t warn him when the factory was to be finally attacked on 9th January.
The IDF is so fucking incompetent that it needs 9 days to put together an artillery attack
F16, artillery, so what? Either way, Zionist thugs destroyed the flour mill, caused tremendous damage and suffering, and should pay for their crimes. Chalk up another case to be resolved by a future Palestinian Holocaust Reparations Committee.
It’s very slim consolation, but that’s something to feel good about, isn’t it? The notion of a Palestinian Holocaust Reparations Committee specifically. I dare say it’s inevitable now.
It’s not appropriate to relate the bombing of a flour mill to the holocaust.
Why BSDNOW? whats the difference? the killings method maybe, Jews were gazaed and Arabs are burnt live with White phosphorus and sophisticated weapons?
It’s not appropriate to make superficial comments about antisemitism, and focus on Holocaust analogies, while 1.5 million people are being starved and held prisoner without basic necessities.
It is not appropriate to make asinine posts about etiquette when an entire people are subjugated and fragmented. When human rights are constantly violated and international law and basic human dignity are made into a mockery.
You degrade this blog by continuing to divert focus away from the suffering of people TODAY, and who desperately need help and justice.
Yes, it is.
March 8-9, 2008
Israel Plots Another Palestinian Exodus
The Meaning of Gaza’s ‘Shoah’ – BY JONATHAN COOK
Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai’s much publicized remark last week about Gaza facing a “shoah” — the Hebrew word for the Holocaust — was widely assumed to be unpleasant hyperbole about the army’s plans for an imminent full-scale invasion of the Strip.
Vilnai, a former general, was interviewed by Army Radio as Israel was in the midst of unleashing a series of air and ground strikes on populated areas of Gaza that killed more than 100 Palestinians, at least half of whom were civilians and 25 of whom were children, according to the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem.
His comment, picked up by the Reuters wire service, was soon making headlines around the world. Presumably uncomfortable with a senior public figure in Israel comparing his government’s policies to the Nazi plan to exterminate European Jewry, many news services referred to Vilnai’s clearly articulated threat as a “warning”, as though he was prophesying a cataclysmic natural event over which he and the Israeli army had no control.
link to counterpunch.org
Well his ‘Shoah’ threat came true 9 months later, so I really don’t think comparing a flour factory’s destruction, together with innumerable other atrocities, shouldn’t be compared with the Holocaust, which took 7 years, while this has been going on for 62 years (Or only 43 years if you only count from 1967). Any previous Palestinian massacres in Gaza (as documented by Joe Sacco) were just ‘incidents’.
RE: “as though he was prophesying a cataclysmic natural event over which he and the Israeli army had no control.”
The Israelis themselves referred to the intentional psychology behind their implementation of
the Gaza Turkey Shoot: “The boss has gone mad.”
bdsnow, go complain to the israel’s deputy defense minister .
It’s not appropriate to relate the bombing of a flour mill to the holocaust.
it is appropriate to relate the intentional demolition of infrastructure for vital life sustenance during an imposed blockade of 1.5 million people to genocide. there will be reparations paid some day. perhaps is would be more appropriate to use the deputy defense minister’s terminology. ‘Palestinian Shoah Reparations Committee’ works for me.
since you are on PC patrol i thought i would alert you to this post: Israeli minister seems to liken Goldstone to Hitler. i noticed your absence in the comment section there, it must have slipped past you. unless you consider it appropriate to be reducing the impact of the exterminator of jews by comparing him to a respected jurist .
Everyone: Watch this song posted on PulseMedia. Fabulous.
link to pulsemedia.org
[I'm going to double-post this on the Carlton Univ thread, because those kids could it in their efforts.]
Thanks for the song, the children killings is really awful! they are just so coward, inhuman.
This song/video is stunning. Thanks for giving the link.
It’s not often that you see happy, lively children turned into corpses. This video puts the process into reverse, with the happy five sisters showing up long after their dead bodies.The video editor clearly made a major editing mistake.
link to pulsemedia.org
I think the video was very effective–by starting off with their corpses (one step less abstract than a mere death statistic of 5 children) and ending with
how they were alive individual sisters, happy together, alive with a future, the video
mimics how obfuscatory normal journalism news is–the video works to overcome
this like a novel or movie story unrolled in reverse chronology.
Absolutely disgusting…