People Are Talking About BDS

by Emily W. Schaeffer on February 25, 2010 · 114 comments


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The following post first appeared on the new website Israel: The Only Democracy in the Middle East?

People are talking about Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS). People should be talking about BDS. If you’re not talking about BDS in the context of Israel/Palestine, you should be thinking about it. And here is why.

When I was a little girl, I sent my allowance to the Jewish National Fund to plant trees in Israel in the name of family members. I was told and passed on stories about an underdog that after centuries of persecution had finally found refuge in its birthplace only to face a group of greedy, violent people that had homes on two continents but insisted on denying my people this tiny strip of land. More anti-Semitism, I thought.

It took only a few months of living in Israel as an undergraduate student in the late 1990s to discover the lies – or at least key missing information – from my childhood. When I dug further, I also found out how much these rewritings of history and of the present had taken the world captive and rendered some of the most politically and economically powerful world nations Israel’s great enablers. As long as relations with Israel are normalized, its actions go unchecked, and no one really asks about the details, about “Who Profits?”. After all, support for Israel is sold to the general public as a means of supporting the only democracy in the Middle East.

But this is not a democracy; it is a nation and a nation’s people spoiled (in both senses of the word) by a separate and unequal domestic regime and an occupation that has become a 43 year-old violent apartheid. And while we Israelis accept restraints even on our own freedoms, we reap the benefits of this regime every day. Thanks to the multi-billion dollar version of my childhood tree-planting – foreign aid, military investments, and the telecommunications industry, among others – our economy stood strong while much of the world faced a recession. Ingenious inventions like the separation wall and bypass roads have meant that not only do we barely think about violent attacks within Israel but we don’t even have to see our neighbors who no longer can work or shop or socialize in our cities and towns. And we hardly worry about sending our children to the army now that they can fight remote-control wars that we only have to think about if we choose to open the paper or watch the news.

I recently met a young, hip Tel Aviv couple on the street and told them about Bil’in, and they simply had no idea that there even were occupied territories. In fact, they were fairly certain that there were just Arabs who were occupying Jewish land. And why would they know differently? At the height of Bil’in’s popularity, as it celebrates 5 years of non-violent resistance, watches the wall begin to move and return major portions of land lost, and finally has earned the support of activists, politicians, authors and every day professionals around the world, the short Israeli news broadcasts of the demonstration last Friday highlighted only the shaking down of the current (illegal) wall and the savvy army that was there to stop the protesters, once again, in a “violent clash.” The fact that these “riotous” Palestinians were joined, once again, by hundreds of Israelis and internationals – the very fact that Israelis most want to ignore, but must hear – went virtually unmentioned.

And if Israelis do take notice of the truth, we feel justified. The Zionist project has been consistent in telling the world that all Jews are a part of Israel, and then when opposition to Israel’s policies conflates Jews with Israel they use anti-Semitism as justification for maintaining them. We are raised to believe that only we can understand ourselves, only we can free ourselves and only we will keep ourselves safe.

And so the natural reaction to BDS is that it is another attempt to isolate and persecute Jews. It is a very convenient, self-protective strategy that renders all criticism of Israel tainted, and BDS one of its harshest forms. But this attitude cannot continue. And as support for BDS grows, it will not continue.

As more and more people come to realize that BDS is simply a non-violent, creative, temporary tool for highlighting what is really happening within Israel and in the territories it occupies and colonizes with settlements, Israelis will have to start looking inside and ask if maybe all these citizens from countries that they fantasize about emulating (from the US to the UK to Europe) don’t have a point.

The Palestinian call for BDS is not a campaign to bring Israel to its end, but rather a campaign to force Israel to uphold its commitments under international law and the moral and legal standards of a real democracy. It does not claim that Israel is the only country perpetuating these types of violations and crimes, but it is calling Israel’s bluff – if you purport to adhere to the standards of a healthy western democracy, then you cannot benefit from the justification that your circumstances warrant an exemption, or that in your neighboring countries far worse atrocities take place. And its message is that once you become what you preach, normalized relations will resume.

The Palestinian call for BDS is the call of intelligent, non-violent advocates for human rights, social justice, and self-determination that realize that as long as “business as usual” continues with Israel, Israelis will live in a worldwide-sponsored denial of a truth that contradicts even the most basic morals of Judaism and much of the ideals upon which Israel was supposedly founded. And more importantly, the Palestinian people will suffer decades more of displacement, harassment, economic deprivation, and the annihilation of a culture no less rich and established in this same tiny piece of land. The harm that BDS may cause to the Israeli economy – and by extension to the Palestinian economy, as well – will be small and short-term in comparison to the injustices inflicted on the Palestinians (and on Israeli democracy) for decades.

BDS is the start of a conversation that takes place in reality. BDS is a chance to force negotiations for a just solution that are balanced and honest. BDS is the beginning of an Israeli awakening to what the last century has brought, an acceptance of responsibility by the world of funders, investors and consumers that help make much of it possible, and a chance to create a place that Jews, Palestinians and world citizens alike can support. So let’s wake up and start talking.

Emily W. Schaeffer is an American-Israeli human rights lawyer and activist based in Tel Aviv, born and raised in the Boston area. She has been involved in the struggle to end the occupation for more than 10 years. A former member of Jews Against the Occupation (New York), and Jewish Voice for Peace (SF Bay Area Chapter), she is currently active in several Israeli activist groups, including the Anarchists Against the Wall and Boycott! Supporting the Palestinian BDS Call from Within. Emily’s posts represent her views alone.

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1 Citizen February 25, 2010 at 8:32 pm

Richard Witty, the long-time “universal humanist and liberal Zionist” commenter on this blog who claims he’s a friend of Phil and Phil’s family since childhood–just not partial to Phil’s dissenting voice, which Richard says demonizes Israel, yes that Dick Witty, has repeated many times here that BDS is a negative movement that has as its true aim
the extinction of Israel “as Israel.” Dick has concluded many times that Phil’s dissent is
misinforming, not harnessed to the task of objective reporting and/or opinion. Doesn’t every people have a right to self-govern? Dick’s not commented here lately–is he off in the woods with Phil? Are they sharing a pup tent, taking in the cool Yankee air? Emily’s article awaits Dick’s cool, abstract humanitarian response, so perfectly balanced as it always is.

2 Mooser February 28, 2010 at 12:21 pm

“In fact, they were fairly certain that there were just Arabs who were occupying Jewish land.”

I have never, ever had a discussion about Israel and the occupation where this basic fact didn’t have to be corrected. As far as I can see, Americans think the Palestinians are the squatters, and the Israeli settlers just defending their God-given land!

3 Rehmat February 25, 2010 at 8:35 pm

Actually, the most appropriate heading would have been “The cnly colonial power in the Middle East”.

Democracy, like the other slogans such as human rights, freedom, justce, gender equality, etc. – has been corrupted so much by the elites that they have all lost their original meanings. Interestingly, Muslims make the largest minority groups in the US, India and Israel – but they’re the most persecuted ones in those countries. American writer Stephen Lendman wrote: “Is it less true for America or in how Israel treats Muslims, many its own citizens yet denied virtually all rights afforded to Jews, and in Palestine none under military occupation.”

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/it-is-not-a-democracy-stupid/

4 Citizen February 25, 2010 at 11:51 pm

Muslim Americans are very concerned that the Census Bureau will be used to make their life more miserable here, to prosecute them, and to round them up at some future point.

5 Chaos4700 February 26, 2010 at 1:37 pm

Yeah… I’m in a rock and a hard place. I’ve considered applying to work in this year’s census — Lord knows I need the work, I have the data gathering background, and even some limited exposure to the Arabic language — but I can no longer tell myself beyond a shadow of a doubt that the information I’d be gathering will be used to persecute innocent people.

6 VR February 26, 2010 at 11:27 pm

Perhaps the greatest treatment of this “clash” was done by Dr. Edward Said, right at its inception! The fullest treatment of what was happening, at what the result of following this “clash” concept would bring, I cannot recommend this highly enough –

DR. EDWARD SAID – THE MYTH OF THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS

If you have not watched this yet, you are in for a treat.

7 MRW February 28, 2010 at 2:07 am

Great video of Ed Said lecture.

8 pabelmont February 25, 2010 at 9:26 pm

Thank you, Emily W. Schaeffer, for a beautiful piece.

Read together with the Weiss-blog-adjacent “Do you have to be Jewish to report for the NYT on Israel” (or whatever), one sees a picture in which [1] we USers don’t know what’s happening because NYT and other papers snuggling up to power systematically refuse to let us know, and [2] many Israelis also don’t know what’s happening (same reasons, really).

If Witty really says what CITIZEN says he says (I can easily believe it) “Phil’s dissenting voice * * * demonizes Israel” then we see that telling the truth about a black subject will not appeal to a reader who has come to believe (above all evidence) that the subject is white.

Since BUSH I’ve begun to see how much I used to think of the USA as “white” in this sense.

9 Citizen February 25, 2010 at 11:53 pm

Regulars on this blog will see what I said about Witty is true.

10 Mooser February 28, 2010 at 11:32 pm

Witty has been less and less among those present of late. I have a feeling it’s a permanent change. He’s pretty much shot his bolt now that Avi and Shmuel and others who have a much greater depth of both factual knowledge and recent experience (life experience, too, not a tour) are posting.
I’ll bet we never again see the kind of Witty-on-every-thread action we used to see!
It’s funny, by Witty making good and goddam sure Mondoweiss knew his opinion on every subject, it just made it all the easier to post articles in a way that made them pretty much unanswerable by Witty. Oh, maybe. I doubt they felt it necessary to pay all that much attention to him.
But when actual real Israelis who know the score began regularly posting, that was pretty much Dick’s exit signal, methinks.

11 Mooser March 1, 2010 at 11:27 am

I shoulda kept my mouth shut! Speak of the Devil….

I just read on another thread, Witty’s comments, and Avi’s and Shmuel’s devestating replies. I, fool that I am, thought those replies, from those with lots of experience in the area, would shut him up, but guess not.

Well, it’s nice to know that the Chabad Rabbi (and his wife) have told Witty “definitively” that the Palestinians are not the Ameleks! Wheww, I’m relieved! Guess that makes everything alright.

12 Queue February 25, 2010 at 9:34 pm

In case you missed it, here is what the neocons at Pajamas Media have to say about WASPs who support BDS:

Presbyterians Usher in the Jewish Holiday of Purim

The title of the article “Presbyterians Usher in the Jewish Holiday of Purim” makes an analogy between Presbyterians and Haman. It goes on to say that “Amalek (the eternal enemy of the Jews) has arrived, right on time for the Purim festival.” The subtitle of the article which refers to “…the War Against the Jews, Part 2010″ reinforces this theme.

Does Phyllis Chesler think that Presbytereans are to be treated as the Amalekites or the Edomites were treated?

13 Leper Colonialist February 26, 2010 at 8:31 am

Phyllis Chesler, before she became a deranged Israel-first harridan, was best known for her book “Women and Madness,” published in the early 1970s. [Which once graced my library, but was eventually donated to my local branch of the NYPL].

Apropos the inanity and illogic , if not outright fabulism, of many of Chesler’s “arguments” re support of Israel, Norman Finkelstein was moved to comment that he hadn’t realized that Chesler’s title “Women and Madness” was autobiographical.

Snarky but right to the point.

14 RoHa February 25, 2010 at 10:44 pm

I know I should be in favour of BDS, but it sounds like one of those embarrassing diseases that one pretends never to have contracted.

15 Chu February 25, 2010 at 11:26 pm

Emily, My only critcism is below:
Ingenious inventions like the separation wall and bypass roads have meant that not only do we barely think about violent attacks within Israel but we don’t even have to see our neighbors who no longer can work or shop or socialize in our cities and towns.
I would avoid calling it ingenious, as it’s more of a disgusting attempt to whitewash the greedy expansion that is taking place.
Hopefully BDS will have a considerable effect on transforming Israel, and it’s great to hear a voice of hope from inside to situation. Good luck with all.

16 VR February 25, 2010 at 11:31 pm

A very good article on BDS, the author does a good job showing that BDS is not a monster but a messenger of justice. It deals with the reality that nothing will move until there is a threat of loss, not the destruction of Israel but its atrocious activity and colonial designs against the Palestinians.

Than I read the list of Ms. Schaeffer’s affiliations, and found “Anarchists Against the Wall and Boycott,” which cinched it for me…hehehe The only question we have to ask of the BDS is what do we want to accomplish? Let us hope that the goals a thought through, because we certainly want more of the Palestinians than just a solitary political victory – but we want justice with peace. We want more that was even accomplished with BDS in South Africa –

APARTHEID DIDN’T DIE

17 Citizen February 25, 2010 at 11:57 pm

Emily’s article was great, hopeful. Some people are still doing more than just talking.
I take the liberty of posting this good sign in full–something to follow, monitor:

Thursday, 25 February 2010 13:10
University of Michigan – Dearborn Student Government

General Assembly Resolution # 2010-003
Whereas, this wise body has been known to be one of strong moral and social conscience and has in the past supported justice and international law, and
Whereas, U.N General Assembly Resolution 194 resolves that the Holy Places – including Nazareth – religious buildings and sites in Palestine should be protected and free access to them assured, in accordance with existing rights and historical practice, and
Whereas, U.N. General Assembly Resolution 194 further resolves that all refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be provided for the destroyed properties of those choosing not to return and for loss of, or damage to property that under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible, and
Whereas, the aforementioned situations prove that Israel clearly and inexcusably is in continued violation of U.N. General Assembly Resolution 194, and
Whereas, Israel is further in violation of many related U.N. resolutions, including Security Council Resolutions 242, 338, and 446, and
Whereas, Israel is further in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which calls on all occupying powers to protect the rights and well-being of the occupied population, and
Whereas, the U.N.’s own assessment, the Goldstone Report, found evidence of potential war crimes and crimes against humanity, and
Whereas, University of Michigan Regent policy, as expressed in their meeting of March 16, 1978, states:

“If the Regents shall determine that a particular issue involves serious moral or ethical questions which are of concern to many members of the University community, an advisory committee consisting of members of the University Senate, students, administration and alumni will be appointed to gather information and formulate recommendations for the Regents’ consideration.”; and

Whereas, there are serious moral and ethical questions concerning the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, and

Whereas, the University is known to have several million dollars of investment in corporations that sell weapons, goods, and services to Israel—including BAE, Raytheon, Boeing, General Electric, United Technologies, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and Northrop Grumman, among others–whom in turn uses the weapons, goods, and services inhumanely and

Whereas, any University investments in entities contributing to human rights violations by either Israelis or Palestinians is inappropriate,

THEREFORE be it Resolved, (1) that the University of Michigan-Dearborn Student Government will lead a movement to collect petition signatures calling on the Board of Regents to form such an advisory committee, and

Be it further Resolved, (2) that the University of Michigan-Dearborn Student Government calls on the Board of Regents to create an advisory committee to determine if any University investments are questionable and in need of appropriate corrective actions, and

Be it further Resolved, (3) that on behalf of the students at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, we will urge this committee to recommend immediate divestment from companies that are directly involved in the ongoing illegal occupation, because we deem these investments to be profoundly unethical and in direct conflict with the mission of this University.

18 sammy February 26, 2010 at 12:32 am

I find this post very hard to believe. I am from India and I know about the Palestinian struggle from online media sources. Are Israelis so out of touch with modern technology? Students come from Japan after seeing Bi’lin on youtube, is the internet censored in Israel? I read Haaretz regularly and also JPost and Ynet off and on. Do Israelis never open a newspaper?

19 Shmuel February 26, 2010 at 3:54 am

Sammy,

Most Israelis get their news from jingoistic TV and their attitudes from the “national mood”. Internet is for more important things, like naked pictures of celebs. Then there is the separation wall of the mind – carefully constructed, brick by brick, from earliest childhood. Is it really so different in India?

20 sammy February 26, 2010 at 4:37 am

Apparently, it must be. With 200+ political parties there is a lot of competition for jingoism. But its really astonishing in this day and age for anyone to claim ignorance of what is a world wide debated occupation.

21 Shmuel February 26, 2010 at 5:04 am

Sammy: But its really astonishing in this day and age for anyone to claim ignorance of what is a world wide debated occupation.

I’m a little astonished by your astonishment. Actual access to correct information and the ability to analyse it aside (a global malady), maybe Israelis are ignorant of what goes on in their own “backyard” because they don’t treat it as a “world wide debated occupation” but as a domestic, political issue that is controversial, confusing and embraces a number of legitimate points of view (not quite 200+, but you get the picture). The Tel-Aviv hipsters described in the article are obviously ignorant because they choose to be. Politics can be such a drag – especially issues that have been dragging on since before they were born.

22 Citizen February 26, 2010 at 6:54 am

There are millions of Americans who think only terrorists hate us–that is to say they disconnect and are ignorant of the real impact of US foreign policy
on people in the Third World, and so also are ignorant of that policy on their own lives. Nothing will change them–unless its reinstatement of a military draft. The terrorists are seen as wild animals, totally irrational–and now the US ruling class have the most useful sort of war, an endless war on “terror” that can manipulate fear of what and whom they want. Flattery helps too–it’s great to know the terrorists are jealous of your great life style. Of course, that’s a bit harder for many average Americans to believe these days.

23 Shmuel February 26, 2010 at 8:00 am

Citizen: Flattery helps too–it’s great to know the terrorists are jealous of your great life style. Of course, that’s a bit harder for many average Americans to believe these days.

Ah, but Americans have the possibility of having a great lifestyle, and that’s what those terrorists are jealous of. Class consciousness is dead (to the extent that it was ever alive).

24 David Samel February 26, 2010 at 11:44 am

Shmuel – My reaction to the clueless Tel Aviv couple was similar to Sammy’s, for two reasons. First of all, we often hear how the Israeli press presents a more varied spectrum of opinion than the US, that there are some voices heard there – like Levy or Hass – that would never be heard in the mainstream media. Second, and even more importantly, with universal conscription (more or less) and people returning to reserve duty a few weeks a year until they are 50, and subject to being called up for wars, Israelis should be intimately connected with the job the IDF must perform in the territories. How could they be ignorant? How could they live in a protected bubble, when they must know very well many young men and women serving in the territories. Here, by contrast, most of us go along without thinking too much about Iraq and Afghanistan. I personally know nobody who is serving or has served there. But in Israel? It doesn’t make sense. (It’s not that I doubt Emily – I have heard similar things before, but I just don’t understand it.) Political apathy I understand, but not when such a large percentage of the population must be directly affected by military service.

25 Shmuel February 26, 2010 at 12:15 pm

David,

The fact that the information is available, doesn’t mean that people actually read it. Ha’aretz has a very small circulation within Israel. The lion’s share of the market is taken up by the right-wing Yisrael Hayom and Ma’ariv, and even the centre-right Yediot Ahronot (big market share, lousy paper) doesn’t do much better on such topics. That covers those who actually read. TV is even worse.

As for military service, statistics show only about a 50% conscription rate these days, and it’s not all haredim and religious girls getting exemptions and perpetual deferments. In “artistic” circles, it’s almost a badge of honour not to serve (without political overtones). Then there are the “jobniks” who serve, but never get anywhere near the territories or anything remotely related to them. Those who do serve in the territories often don’t want to discuss their experiences in civilian life (except perhaps with each other). In the first Lebanon war, a lot of soldiers complained about how no one in Tel-Aviv wanted to hear what they had just been through.

The bubble is, for many Israelis, a matter of mental and emotional survival. And no place in Israel does the bubble quite like TA.

26 Chaos4700 February 26, 2010 at 1:14 pm

Wow. Sounds a lot like the United States, Shmuel. I do find myself morbidly amused by contemporary conscription rates — that even among the Jews of Israel, there significant gulfs between those who have privilege and influence and those who do not.

Like I keep saying, Zionists are the biggest threat any Jew has to face. Even in Israel. Racism against Palestinians is bad enough, but discrimination against Jews who are not “Jewish” enough? Or can’t buy their way out of their obligations to the so called “Jewish state?”

27 Danaa February 26, 2010 at 1:15 pm

I second Shmuel’s comment. Of all the people I know in israel, there are just two who ever open Haaretz, and they are a pair of old Mapamnicks. It is often not realized by people outside Israel just how small haaretz’s circulation is – I read somewhere it’s barely squeaking into the #4 spot. Just like in the US and elsewhere, people go for the sensational, shallow and titillating information and Haaretz is considered too high-brow and too “leftist-elitist” (now where have we heard this before?).

So whereas people like Haas and Levy and Avnery are lions of conscience and resistance for readers abroad, inside Israel they are barely known, especially among younger generations who are busy doing the life in the bubble. And among the few who know them, many consider them to be villains, not saints (“ochrei Israel”, is the expression I heard on more than one occasion, from people who are highly educated)

I sent a few pictures and clippings from Hebron and recent protests (pictures that were all over the net, BTW) to some acquaintences in Israel. They were utterly shocked and indignant, stopping short of calling it a blood-libel, propagated by “muslims”. When I say it’s jews who took some of the pictures and participate in the demonstrations, they role their eyes at the spectacle of such naivite. The prevailing opinion in the streets of Tel Aviv and Haifa is that the Israeli arabs got it real good – as compared with Arabs elsewhere, and the palestinians are lucky to have Israel as boss rather than say, Jordan, so they should count their blessings and stop making trouble. As for Europe, it’s supposedly over-run by “muslims” and “arabs” anyways and besides, they always were and are just a bunch of anti-semites with a penchant for building nice cathedrals and museums.

Oh, and heaven forbid one mentions the ISM – those guys are considered more of the enemy than Haniyeh. I ran into people who wished loudly that the ISM’ers could be shot on sight. And such opinions are not quite offered in jest, either. If activists throughout israel and the territories were thrown en mass into jail, over 80% of israelis would not bat an eye lash. Sure bernard avishai and bradley burston would and all the other zionists dreamin of Herzl and a supposedly beautiful past and light-unto-the-goys future. But the haaretz-reading intelligensia have their own bubble-within-a-bubble world from which they peek at the rest of population in Israel and chuckle ever so sadly.

And this doesn’t even scratch the surface of the vitriol I hear and see from just regular everyday people. I should sometime share some of the truly disturbing stuff I receive from the couple of e-mail chains making the rounds (now why I’d subject myself to that is another question. But I think someone needs to keep taking the pulse of what’s happening inside the bubble, even if it is evidence of accelerating descent into insanity).

There are many Israels, but the one we glimpse through Haaretz’ pages is one of the smallest – and getting smaller by the day.

28 Shmuel February 26, 2010 at 1:41 pm

Chaos: Or can’t buy their way out of their obligations to the so called “Jewish state?”

No need to buy their way out, when they’re practically giving away exemptions for free. I think I’ve written about this before. As long as you don’t take a political stand, it’s easy as pie to get out of service nowadays. Due to the changing nature of warfare in Israel – both geopolitically and technologically – and the growing population, the IDF simply has more grunts than it knows what to do with – both on the battlefield and in administration. So if you come with a letter from a shrink, saying you’re a delicate flower who cannot abide authority (in psyhco jargon, of course), the draft board will be more than happy to give you an exemption, since you’re more trouble and cost than you’re worth to them.

You’re right about privilege however, in the sense it is the higher socio-economic classes who know how to take advantage of this and actually have better things to do with their time than harrass Palestinians at checkpoints for three years.

29 Shmuel February 26, 2010 at 1:53 pm

Danaa:now why I’d subject myself to that is another question. But I think someone needs to keep taking the pulse of what’s happening inside the bubble, even if it is evidence of accelerating descent into insanity

I’ve been thinking about this myself lately, in light of my upcoming trip to the Holy Land. More specifically, I’ve been wondering whether I should abandon my decade-long boycott of my sister’s settlement, and go pay her a visit in order to “take the pulse” as it were. It will be unpleasant in the extreme , but it may be time to refresh my first-hand familiarity with the settlement experience.

30 Danaa February 26, 2010 at 2:38 pm

Shmuel, I think you should pay the visit, unpleasant as it may be. After all, even if we disagree with their life choices, settlements are populated by regular people, and people get caught in situations – however those came about. I once knew a perfectly good and smart young person who got swept into a christian cult. Discussions became futile, but after some pointless back and forth, I came to feel it helps to just be present, as frustrating as it was. Partly because in the end, it wasn’t about me. partly because we never know when it helps to just keep a door open in case the person should wish to return to the more complicated world “outside”. Later, much later, I realized the episode helped me personally guard against the streak of self-righteousness which is always lurking, never more so than when one’s cause is right.

Besides, if it is the settlers’ way of life we are willing to sacrifice in the process of making things right again, we should perhaps be at least willing to know the cost to individuals. Kind of like shouldering some of the down payment for eventual justice, however far that may be.

Visiting your sister in her settlement is the righteous thing to do.

31 David Samel February 26, 2010 at 3:54 pm

Thank you both for your informative responses to my comment, and for what it’s worth, Shmuel, I think Danaa’s giving very thoughtful advice.

32 MRW February 26, 2010 at 10:51 pm

Shmuel, take pictures! Take pictures! And little recordings.

I agree with Danaa, BTW.

33 Avi February 27, 2010 at 2:13 am

David,

During the 22 day massacre in Gaza, I called my aunt back in Israel. She works at a government agency and I thought she might know some higher ups who could do something to put an end to the madness. When she answered the phone I explained how insane this whole thing was. It was a turkey shoot and I asked her how could she sit idly by and do nothing? Her response was utter astonishment. She started telling me about the 7000 rockets that have hit Sderot. So, I asked her what about the ceasefire agreement, what about the siege, what about Israel’s violation of the ceasefire, why is it that Hamas honored the ceasefire and Israel was the one who violated it, what about the white phosphorus being used against civilians, what about all the children getting killed? She was shocked. What’s white phosphorus? She couldn’t believe that the Israeli military was targeting civilians and especially children. I told her it’s all over the news, just open a newspaper, Ha’aretz, for example, and you’ll see, I said.

She asked me to send her a link to all the articles that I mentioned as she was curious to know what I was talking about.

Now when you think about it, it’s rather shocking that someone thousands of miles away could know more than someone who is a mere 90 miles away from Gaza. But it was true. Ha’aretz doesn’t have the same circulation as Yediot Ahronot or Ma’ariv. In fact, because Ha’aretz sometimes holds a mirror to Israel’s face and points out its ugliness, many in Israel view Ha’aretz as a left wing newspaper, a liberal paper.

And TV and radio news are just pure propaganda, not that Ma’ariv and Yediot aren’t.

Besides, back when Israeli’s DID used to go to the occupied territories of the West Bank, they only went there to do some shopping, to buy fruits and vegetables. They don’t want to hear about the Palestinians’ suffering or their own government’s crimes, they just want to save a few shekels. If they can’t save a couple of shekels due to the apartheid wall and the closed off Palestinian towns, then there’s no point in concerning themselves with what goes on there. It’s as simple as that.

As long as the military occupation and the apartheid system in the West Bank and Gaza continue while Israeli citizens are able to go about their daily lives as normal, no one is going to bother doing what’s right for humanity. Sometimes people tell me, “well, there has been suffering on both sides”. My response is usually, “That’s nonsense”.

While children in Gaza were getting their limbs blown off, people in Tel-Aviv were eating cake and sipping coffee at cafes and shopping malls.

34 Avi February 27, 2010 at 2:21 am

The bubble is, for many Israelis, a matter of mental and emotional survival. And no place in Israel does the bubble quite like TA.

Shmuel,

While that may have been your experience, my view is that many just turn a blind eye because they don’t care, because it doesn’t affect their daily lives and because they think the government is doing what’s best for them. One bomb goes off at a club in Tel-Aviv and suddenly the whole country is calling on the government to drop a nuclear bomb on the West Bank and Gaza. It’s apathy and vengeance and racism and hatred that motivate such blissful ignorance.

To claim that it’s mental and emotional survival is to legitimize all of the above. It’s as if you too are having a hard time facing such facts, admitting that there is willful ignorance and denial at work here.

35 Avi February 27, 2010 at 2:32 am

I’ve been wondering whether I should abandon my decade-long boycott of my sister’s settlement, and go pay her a visit in order to “take the pulse” as it were. It will be unpleasant in the extreme , but it may be time to refresh my first-hand familiarity with the settlement experience.

Don’t take this personally, but isn’t it interesting how we rationalize things in our head sometimes, just so that we don’t have to live with the guilt?

“I stole a cellphone from a kid last week”

Why?

“Well, someone had to save him. In 15 or 25 years time, that radiation could have caused him brain cancer. So, when you think about it, I actually saved his life”.

{{Patting myself on the back}}

C’mon, Shmuel.

At the very least, make it a point to meet her in Tel-Aviv or someplace “neutral”.

Who are you trying to convince, US, or yourself?

And I apologize that I stuck my nose where it doesn’t belong, but I had to say it. It had to be said.

By the way, I expect you to hold a mirror to my face too. It’s a two way street.

36 sammy February 27, 2010 at 3:14 am

Thanks Shmuel and Danaa, great window into the bubble

Avi, I agree with some of what you said, but how does one distinguish wilful denial from wilful ignorance?

37 yonira February 27, 2010 at 3:27 am

Avi,

WP wasn’t used until the closing days of the war, do we have yet another clairvoyant progressive on our hands. Seems like a pretty common thing here on MondoLies.

Does your Aunt even live in Israel, perhaps you were thinking of your aunt in Israel, Alabama (a fictitious city btw, probably like your fictitious aunt)

38 Shmuel February 27, 2010 at 4:10 am

Avi: Don’t take this personally, but isn’t it interesting how we rationalize things in our head sometimes, just so that we don’t have to live with the guilt?… At the very least, make it a point to meet her in Tel-Aviv or someplace “neutral”.

No rationalisation at work here, Avi. I always see my sister and her kids in Jerusalem. I have absolutely no desire to visit her settlement; in fact the very idea makes me physically ill. I have been to the area however – to the Palestinian village on the stolen lands of which the settlement was built. That also made me sick, but in a different way. I also visited the settlement itself a couple of times, about 25 years ago (school trip, work camp). I know it’s changed a lot since then.

My reconsideration of the matter has to do with the fact that I talk about the I/P situation all the time, and I thought it might be an opportunity to see an important aspect of it first hand. The fact that I no longer see myself as a part of Israeli society also changes things a little. When I lived there, the thought would never have occurred to me, because the complicity factor was too strong.

In the meantime, I have decided not go, because I think it would confuse my family. It took me so long to get them to accept my “eccentricities”. They wouldn’t understand my motives, and would simply think I was mellowing (goes with the white hairs in my beard).

39 Shmuel February 27, 2010 at 4:15 am

Avi: To claim that it’s mental and emotional survival is to legitimize all of the above. It’s as if you too are having a hard time facing such facts, admitting that there is wilful ignorance and denial at work here.

The bubble (a well-known phenomenon in Israel) and willful ignorance and denial are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they go hand in hand.

As I explained to BSD, with regard to Paradise Now, trying to understand psychological motivation is not the same as justifying or affording legitimacy.

40 Shmuel February 27, 2010 at 4:21 am

Thanks Danaa (and David and MRW). My dilemma wasn’t about family or interpersonal relationships. I actually get along pretty well with my sister (as long as we don’t discuss anything meaningful). I just thought that seeing one of the most blatant examples of Israel’s colonial project, with my very own eyes, could add depth to my somewhat theoretical and bookish understanding of the situation.

As I wrote to Avi (above? below?), I have decided not to go, because it would probably be taken the wrong way and wake up some of those sleeping dogs best left alone.

41 MRW February 27, 2010 at 5:01 am

So, Shmuel, is this what you would encounter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3gKcpeFCb4

Tell me, are those guys yelling “Hitler was right” settlers?

42 LeaNder February 27, 2010 at 6:07 am

This is a wonderful thread, but I don’t agree with you, Avi, much more with Danaa. Shmuel should/has to go visit his sister. Even more since it is difficult for him, or for his sister. Besides, he has children, don’t they have a right to know their aunt and their cousins (?).

But Shmuel, it’s your sister. .. Basically I can, as Richard Witty, imagine a scenario in which some of the settlements stay in a future Palestinian state. And I guess the people inside the settlements need to make the biggest “mental steps” to allow this to happen. …

Associatively: The project I work in at the moment gathers a huge crowd of the most diverse people. Now there are legitimate irritations and concerns about a special person’s manners and habits. The problem I have is there seems to be developing a huge gray area in which legitimate concerns slowly fades into scapegoating. … The rumors are always are behind people’s back. Maybe it’s my problem to listen at all. … Almost never the rumormongers confront the person concerned directly, which I happen to prefer: Look, I don’t like this, why are you doing this? No please, don’t shift to hyper-friendly either, that makes me feel even more uncomfortable. I sense much circling around the person behind her back, loads of unconnected and psychologically speaking transference content, which, it feels, can and does move easily on to the next target. And yes, much more hate than the situation can explain. It stresses me more than my job.

Politics always starts with the people, their manners and their habits. Without slow shifts in their perceptions nothing will ever change. You may not be able to do much but in chaos theory a tiny bit my cause an essential change. Be careful and again, she’s your sister. I don’t have much time to find better words.

43 LeaNder February 27, 2010 at 6:35 am

Good: I actually get along pretty well with my sister

Please go, exactly since it may be hard for you. That you get along well is a good basis.

I just thought that seeing one of the most blatant examples of Israel’s colonial project, with my very own eyes, could add depth to my somewhat theoretical and bookish understanding of the situation.

Please go Shmuel. In a short visit you won’t be able to understand it all, but you may get a feeling of the essential problems. …

Note to myself: I have to read the books about the settlements. Will take time though, since my niece’s thesis pulled me into a completely different but highly interesting topic media usage and the people, which somehow surfaced on this thread. I think what attracts me a lot, is that it reminds me of an essential debate in the theater, film and television science department here in Cologne.

There were always two camps when I studied it. The “couch potato” creators, as I used to call them, and my camp that supported the view that people could much more easily understand even complicated issues if they were only given a chance. …

And now I am gone again. Take care.

44 Avi February 27, 2010 at 8:11 am

In the meantime, I have decided not go, because I think it would confuse my family. It took me so long to get them to accept my “eccentricities”. They wouldn’t understand my motives, and would simply think I was mellowing (goes with the white hairs in my beard).

It’s none of my business to tell you how to live your life. So, I’m not sure why you’ve decided that. Keeping in touch with family trumps everything. I didn’t know you haven’t visited in years. I knew I should have kept my mouth shut.

Even if one of my family members were a murderer (Thank god none are), I would still visit them in prison. You can’t replace family.

Go visit her for crying out loud. I’d be curious as to your findings from a political perspective visiting the settlement.

45 Avi February 27, 2010 at 8:24 am

This is a wonderful thread, but I don’t agree with you, Avi, much more with Danaa. Shmuel should/has to go visit his sister. Even more since it is difficult for him, or for his sister. Besides, he has children, don’t they have a right to know their aunt and their cousins (?).

I dug myself into this one, didn’t I?

My point wasn’t about the relationship as a personal interaction, but more of a principled statement. As a way of making a point. I mean, it’s kind of like one’s own child vandalizing school property. You ground him for a few days, but you don’t disown him or hand him over to a foster home.

If I had family living in a settlement I’d tell them “look, I love you, but I just don’t approve of these colonies. Let’s meet in Jerusalem”.

I mean, my own aunt was sounding like the spokesperson for the Israeli army, but I still talk to her. I still visit whenever I’m in Israel. She’s my aunt.

You can pick your nose. You can pick your friends. But, you can’t pick your family.

46 Avi February 27, 2010 at 8:42 am

Avi,

WP wasn’t used until the closing days of the war, do we have yet another clairvoyant progressive on our hands. Seems like a pretty common thing here on MondoLies.

Vietnam war veterans who witnessed the use of White Phosphorus first hand could tell by looking at the images of the shells exploding over Gaza. That, and the subsequent reports from the ground by various non-Palestinian doctors further confirmed that the burns they were seeing were consistent with White Phosphorus. The use of Phosphorus was prevalent throughout the entire slaughter.

Talk about willful ignorance. Thanks for piping up. I should use you more often to illustrate my points.

Does your Aunt even live in Israel, perhaps you were thinking of your aunt in Israel, Alabama (a fictitious city btw, probably like your fictitious aunt)

You talk about clairvoyance, and yet you make all kinds of assumptions about me, my aunt and everything else. You’re like a dog that aimlessly chases and barks after every truck that drives by.

47 Shmuel February 27, 2010 at 9:14 am

Avi: My point wasn’t about the relationship as a personal interaction, but more of a principled statement. As a way of making a point … If I had family living in a settlement I’d tell them “look, I love you, but I just don’t approve of these colonies. Let’s meet in Jerusalem”.

My point wasn’t about the relationship either. I always see my sister and her family in Jerusalem, and my daughter knows and loves her aunt, uncle and cousins. When my sister first told me she was looking for a house in the OT (she couldn’t afford one to her liking in Jerusalem) I told her that I would still see her, but that I would not come to her home. She accepted it (her husband didn’t and would not speak to me for 2 years), and although we have met many times since, I have never been to her home.

I will be going to Israel in a few weeks to see family and friends, and would like to take advantage of the opportunity to refresh my hands-on feeling for the situation there. I’ve been looking into visiting a friend in Area A, but it’s a little complicated for Israeli citizens, and then I realised that I have this opportunity to go to a settlement (an older, isolated, ideological settlement built entirely on private Palestinian land) – something I have not done in many years. Since I had specifically told my sister, 10 years ago, that I would not go to her settlement, I was pondering the implications of going now.

I appreciate the advice people here have given, but when there is so little understanding between family members on a given topic, it is not necessarily a good idea to play around with already-established limits. By now, nobody asks and nobody pressures. I just don’t to go to settlements (or use settler roads) and that’s that. I’m not sure that “I still don’t approve but I want to have a look for myself this one time” would be understood as intended.

48 Shmuel February 27, 2010 at 9:43 am

Heart-warming, isn’t it? The video was shot on Jerusalem’s Prophets’ Street, within the Green Line. The guys shouting “Hitler was right” are obviously Mizrahim, who have noted the fact that the “leftist-traitors” are all Ashkenazim (although one of the hecklers seems to think he’s spotted a Moroccan). The Holocaust is a part of Jewish history in general when convenient (as justification for Zionism, settlement, violation of Palestinian rights), and an Ashkenazi problem when it suits your purposes. Jewish Jerusalem is a right-wing city, and the divide certainly has a socio-economic, Ashkenazi/Mizrahi aspect to it.

These guys are run of the mill Jerusalemites, although they might live in Gilo or Maaleh Adumim. While in Jerusalem, I’ll be staying only a few minutes’ walk from Sheikh Jarrah, and will alomst certainly pass by Prophets’ Street.

49 Shmuel February 27, 2010 at 9:46 am

Thanks, LeaNder.

50 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 11:38 am

Dr Pangloss no longer rules America’s heartland. Those terrorists are picking up on the vast difference between the USA regime and actual everyday American lives. Class consciousness is never dead. It remains alive as it always has–even at the height of the USSR.

51 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 11:45 am

During the USA’s Vietnam Era, conscription had a lot to do with the anti-war movement. The elite deferred college students united with Vietnam veterans against the war
who had learned the hard way what the real score was. And the press picked it up. So, this cannot happen in Israel? Precisely, as near as you can tell, why not? Does it have more to do with AIPAC in the USA than Israel per se?

52 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 11:57 am

RE:”…my view is that many just turn a blind eye because they don’t care, because it doesn’t affect their daily lives and because they think the government is doing what’s best for them.”

This perfectly expresses the average Americans I have known in my long life.
I imagine old Germans might nod their heads too.
Elites absolutely depend on this; and they corral the media to make sure
it continues to happen.

53 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 12:23 pm

I think I understand you, Shmuel. I also have relatives I get along with pretty well, so long as I don’t discuss anything meaningful. Your point about the symbiotic relationship between willful ignorance and denial is well taken too–the technical distinction melts quickly in a living character. Danaa’s point about
merely not totally rejecting a relative or friend in a cult is also well taken. If nothing else, one learns the humanity of even people in cults. Makes one recognize that the mechanics of cults stretches way beyond the usual popular suspects, and that itself is leaning toward wisdom. Too, as one ages, one has less energy, and must, more and more conserve the dwingling energy, rather than have it dissipated in what one already knows is a losing
effort respecting someone one knows only too well over a course of years.
In short, always a line has to be drawn at some point–even, sometimes, as to those most close to you.

54 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 12:39 pm

Then again, sometimes it’s pretty hard to swallow the line, “I love you, I just don’t agree with what you are doing.”

Did Adolf’s family ever disown him? One of Hitler’s secretaries wrestled with this, Trudi, I think. She loved him, he was her father figure; he always treated her and her friends well; she could see his warmth every day, even in the bunker in the final days. Later after literally crawling out of the bunker, and into the German he had wrought, and what he had done to millions. She concluded, despite her fond personal experiences with him for many formative years in her life, she concluded that the world should never see another Hitler. When Hitler shot himself, sitting next to Eva (who had just taken her cynide pill after two days of brave, married life), a cherished framed photo of his mother was on a table adjacent the sofa. PS: Magda Goebbels loved her six children too. Maybe Shmuel’s line in the sand
is wise?

55 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 12:44 pm

Should Family be supported at all costs? Nothing should top it? Ever? In a way, isn’t that what Phil talks about all the time? His extended family of Jews?
And doesn’t AIPAC take the contrary POV? And, so where are the rest of us;
didn’t the American Nazi sympathizer movement once hold a rally in Madison Square Garden? What did Ike decide?

56 Danaa February 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm

Shmuel: “It took me so long to get them to accept my “eccentricities”. They wouldn’t understand my motives, and would simply think I was mellowing”

I can understand this argument all too well. Consistency is essential in getting people off one’s back when it comes to deep differences of opinion. Especially so in the context of close-knit societies that do not always respect personal boundaries. Citizen is right to draw a parallel with the dilemmas that animate Phil’s blog, as Phil too is caught between a rock and a hard place, trying to navigate a no-man’s land between the familial, the personal, the emotional and the political. As are many of us here. In my own experience, I find it especially exasperating the way people- young and not so young, can continue to conflate principled action with idealistic naivite or just plain misguidedness, no matter the evidence to the contrary. Not just in Israel, but anywhere.

I also realize that advice is easy enough to offer, especially when it involves someone else playing saint in an emotionally charged minefield. Following it is another story. I should know. Though I like citizen’s kindly offer of age and time as an excuse.

Something tells me Shmuel, that your family has long ago given up on you “mellowing”, though that doesn’t mean people are not looking (whether they realize it or not) for cracks. It’s good that you get to see your nephews/nieces since to them your choices will stand as options, should they ever come to need some.

Just please keep a good watch on your passport(s)….A little bird whispered in my ear that there’s looking for anything not from UK, Ireland, France or australia.

57 MRW February 27, 2010 at 7:36 pm

Ah, Danaa, Shmuel has an even better cover from an Israeli relative’s POV. He’s been in Rome. “Look what they did to him living in that place.” And forcing him to translate out of the Hebrew all day long? Ach. At least he comes home for the food. Minifab’s Shekel Magnet be damned (you had to be there).

58 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 8:20 pm

Damn, not even feeble but hard-earned wisdom escapes identity theft for partisan purposes. The world seems to be governed in fact by Chaney’s loyal children, and he wont’t stop no matter how many heart fixes. I really don’t see in all of this that Hitler was not a sooth-sayer, even in his last poltical will and testament. Help me see something else. What exactly is the difference in operating principle between Hitler and Foxman or Weisel? Have not all three counted on people such as comprise the USA congress, for example? Where’s Hannah Arendt? Why are we always left without her, with the romantic girl who flew into the bunker to save Hitler? Does courage and OP expertise ever have anything to do with morality and ethics? If not,
what can you expect of everyday Americans, or of whomever will take their place in the year 2050?

59 Mooser February 28, 2010 at 12:28 pm

“that even among the Jews of Israel, there significant gulfs between those who have privilege and influence and those who do not.”

Chaos, the story of the Jews is one of elite Jews, who were able to co-operate with the reigning powers, taking advantage of ordinary Jews.
Judaism has some great stuff, but don’t look for socialism, or even any ideas about social justice.
Which is precisely why we scream so much about Jewish social activism, because the truth is so ugly.

60 Mooser February 28, 2010 at 12:32 pm

Gosh, and I though all my Jewish brethren had a burning passion for social and political justice! C’mon, fellow Jews, wake up! Phil Weiss is counting on you, now that he really pissed off ol Leon Wisenheimer over at the NYRB! He’ll never work in this town again!

61 Mooser February 28, 2010 at 12:47 pm

I would certainly go and visit a family member in for murder. I would not go and visit a family member so they can show me the house they stole and serve me the stolen food they eat.
Besides, one thing life has taught me is this: In this life, there are those who steal, and those who try not to. Once a person has crossed that bridge to become a theif (out of advantage, not need) they don’t care who they steal from. Can you honestly tell me a person who will endorse theft and murder has a sacred sense of family? I really doubt it: all of us are our family, and anyone who will steal from a stranger (to gain advantage) will steal from a brother or sister. When our life spans are more than doubled, I’ll try it both ways, in the meantime, since life is short, I’ve got no time for those who can’t be bothered to even try and avoid crime.

62 Citizen February 28, 2010 at 1:28 pm

In the USA the 1% at the super-rich top are the biggest thieves to gain even bigger advantage; the 14% next below are their minions; the other 85% just bend over and keep taking it up the ass so they can either be somebody (look at my new stuff!) or simply survive.

63 Citizen February 28, 2010 at 2:06 pm

Hey some of us really do care about social justice–here’s the proof:
http://www.counterpunch.org/parrish02262010.html

64 johd February 26, 2010 at 2:22 am

It does not claim that Israel is the only country perpetuating these types of violations and crimes, but it is calling Israel’s bluff – if you purport to adhere to the standards of a healthy western democracy, then you cannot benefit from the justification that your circumstances warrant an exemption, or that in your neighboring countries far worse atrocities take place. And its message is that once you become what you preach, normalized relations will resume.

Here’s my problem with a statement like this; it is a dodge. It purports to cast aspersions on Israeli hasbara, but is itself a hasbara construct.
One would have to cast a broad geographical, historical and categorical net to construct a similitude of the image the statement is trying to convey; that there are many despicable regimes that commit atrocities on the scale that is the Israel practice. One would have to gather a Hama from way back, assemble it with the Iran/Iraq war, stir in the Lebanese Civil war, with a beheading or two from Saudi Arabia, add a splash of Taliban crimes, and mix in a generous dose of Jewish Islamophobia, then pretend that this concoction matches, or exceeds, the atrocities that Israel commits routinely and consistently over decades.

There is no Normalising Israel; for Israel, this is normal … and routine … and inbred.

65 pabelmont February 26, 2010 at 7:23 am

I think that johd>/b> is concerned with two issues [1] perhaps others are worse and [2] why select Israel for BDS attention when the world is full of “bad guys” ,

In the USA, a doctrine called “prosecutorial discretion”? allows state prosecutors not to bring all malefactors to court; for policy reasons (shortage of funds, not enough police, jails too crowded) they may elect not to enforce all laws, etc. The idea of “selective prosecution” as a defense doesn’t work well when an accused looks guilty, even if others who do similar acts are “let off”. We routinely arrest black drug sellers and fail to arrest white drug buyers. Ditto prostitutes and their customers. In fact, the US is now fighting two very expensive wars “against international terrorism” but not fighting ANY wars against such USers as “white supremecists” and “old white guys who hate the IRS” who have perpetrated crimes which might be labelled “terrorism”. Neither have we prosecuted Cubans living in Florida who have attacked Cuba in a terrorist manner and who maintain training camps in the US not unlike the “terrorist” training camps of Al Qaida.

In the USA, double standards are the norm. And prosecution is always selective.

Moreover, the US has a bad history of installing and supporting dictators and authoritarian regimes throughout the Americas. And the prosecution of Southern lynch mobs never rose to the level even of half-hearted because the lynchees were black people and the lynchers were white people and the US and state governments were racist.

Again, double standards are the norm. And prosecution is always selective.

So, altogether, justice is almost always a matter of choice, and the correcting of past mistakes (such as trying to correct 62 years of Israeli/Palestinian horror, or 43 years of occupational horror) is yours if you choose it.

BDS is being led by people who are (or who are associated with) Palestinians. Their reason is clear. Just as people bring lawsuits to correct their own perceived injuries and don’t feel it necessary (first) to correct all the world’s injuries, BDS seeks to redress the Palestinians’ injuries.

Not everyone chooses it. Many try to avoid it, pointing to how bad the Arab regimes are, for example, and ask why Israel ['light to the Nations' anyone?] is held to a higher standard. This is lawyer talk. People always hire defense lawyers when prosecuted. One side has BDS and the other side has Hasbara and Dershowitz et al. The way of the world.

66 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 12:54 pm

As a lawyer who practiced in Chicago, and one who has been on both sides of the fence, there is no doubt at all in my mind that public prosecuters are totally political animals 99% of the time. Which cases they take, which cases they appeal (most important) is very much an insider crony game.

67 pabelmont February 28, 2010 at 8:31 am

Good point, Citizen. And all the talk we hear in praise of the Rule of Law, so emotionally elevating if listened to in isolation from any sort of “big picture”, is merely political posturing.

So, Eric Holder lets the lawyers (Yoo and Bybee) off (for Pres. Obama) as he earlier let Mark Rich off (for Pres. Clintion). Flexible sensibilities as to RoL.

Wonder if Spain will persevere with its universal jurisdiction prosecutions (Yoo and Bybee) or will fold (under US pressure?) as other European states seem to have done.

68 pabelmont February 26, 2010 at 7:35 am

Darn: I mistyped a HTML bold close.
Wish this blog has a preview!

69 Danaa February 26, 2010 at 1:23 pm

Well said, pabelmont – some good points about selective prosecution in the US. And I second the wish-for-preview feature. I don’t dare use the html for fear of mishap (am always in a hurry, posting on the fly, so to speak. preview was invented for such…)

70 Julian February 26, 2010 at 3:55 pm

How heart warming. Life is too good in Israel and the Israelis should be made to suffer. Tough luck Emily. I doubt you will have any more success than you have had over the last 10 years.
Who is talking about BDS? Your progressive anti Zionist friends? In the US it’s been a rousing failure. When your group boycotts a product it tends to sell out.
http://www.buycottmonth.com/buycott-successes.html

71 yonira February 26, 2010 at 4:29 pm

Ha Ha, great link and great website Julian.

Don’t forget all of the money which is dumped into the Israeli and Egyptian economies from the protesters and from that Palestinian solidarity foray over the New Year.

Ahhh its a good time to be a Zionist ;)

72 ihsan February 26, 2010 at 6:26 pm

Ha Ha! Good one. But it’s not all good news I’m afraid. The news report Buycott links to also states “…investment in [Israeli] fixed [i.e. Tangible] assets fell 9.4 percent.” A nine percent fall in fixed asset investment is a pretty big deal considering it usually refers to investment in land and buildings, motor vehicles, furniture, office equipment, computers, fixtures and fittings, plant and machinery etc. So maybe the BDS campaign is doing better than you’d like to give it credit for?

Pretty clever though: “Buycott.”

73 Chaos4700 February 26, 2010 at 7:35 pm

You’re trying to expose them to facts again. That’s probably an exercise in futility. The two of them just hate Palestinians way too much.

74 Chaos4700 February 26, 2010 at 7:34 pm

Don’t you guys have a bridge to dwell under and some goats to harass? This isn’t “Drudge Report” you know.

75 Chaos4700 February 26, 2010 at 7:47 pm

Oh, and yonira? Before you whine again about being labeled a racist Jewish supremacist, we have longer memories than you, apparently. Not, you know, that I thought you were running from that earlier thread.

76 aparisian February 27, 2010 at 4:46 am

Zionists are in panic!!

77 Chaos4700 February 26, 2010 at 7:49 pm

Well, you bought the whole “WMDs in Iraq” lie, Julian, so you and your neocon friends have proven you’ll swallow anything. (Queue homosexual epithets from yonira…)

78 Mooser February 28, 2010 at 12:37 pm

Chaos, whack-a-mole is only fun when the moles come up unexpectedly, out of different holes.
But when they come up out of the same goddam shit-hole every time?
My God, what a capacity for humiliation they must have, either that or….

79 MRW February 26, 2010 at 10:45 pm

I forgot to remark earlier: great post, Emily.

80 pabelmont February 27, 2010 at 7:04 am

Thanks, VR for the link to the marvellous Edward Said video debunking the “Clash of Civilizations” myth-of-explanation ['there IS a clash'] for what it is in fact, a myth-of-self-justification [we need a 'clash' and therefore must manufacture a 'clash'].

Of course, nowadays, “great powers” (notably the USA, Israel) are ruled (substantially in the first instance, perhaps totally in the second) by enormous military systems — armaments research, armaments manufacturing, armies available for use, armies actively in use — and these are not unsurprisingly unwilling to disappear or even diminish. To the contrary, they desire to expand. There is money to be made in militarism, ahem.

In the service of the very expensive and culture-transforming expansion and USE of large militaries, it is necessary to have a myth of a clear and present danger to justify it all. Hence the myth of the ‘clash of civilizations’ (replacing ‘manifest destiny’ to justify the USA’s military excesses) and various myths (Arabs rather grandiosely seen as Hitler redux, Arabs rather dismissively seen as less than human, Arabs irrationally seen as irrational, Jews seen as grantees of divine real estate agent, etc.) to justify Israel’s incessant, intended-to-be-unending war of dispossession against the Palestinians.

Arguing that the myths of justification for militarism are wrong, devious, etc., is a mere beginning in the work of de-militarization. The wealth and political control of the military (in the US often called the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex) is overwhelming. The problem of reducing it is indeed overwhelming. There is no ‘great power’ (unless it be China exercising some sort of economic pressure on the US) which could supervene. In the case of Israel, the US could supervene any time it wanted to. In the USA, “we” (as Edward Said said, echoing Tonto’s “what do you mean ‘we’, white man?”, when you hear someone say ‘we’ its time to head for the hills) do not happen to desire to exercise that sort of supervision in this long moment that began in 1967 and has no end in sight.

81 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 12:59 pm

Military-Industrial-Security-Congressional Complex: MISCC

82 Mooser March 1, 2010 at 11:49 am

And Obama blew his one and probably only chance to get America’s military back under civilian control. What a chump! He could have had the entire military ready to kiss his ass if he had even restricted his administration to investigating and prosecuting financial and military-administrative crimes only, not even coming near war crimes or torture. But no, Obama covers the backs of those who will put a knife into his.
Think about it: with the military basically doing whatever it wants to, Obama can’t make any moves without worrying that events in Iraq or Afghanistan (precipitated by our military) will upstage him.
And they will, they will screw Obama, but good. Ask yourself one question: Do you think the military and CIA and the contractors have been saving all the good results and honorable endings they refused to deliver to Bush, for Obama? GMAFB! So they are gonna end this thing, so Obama can get an accounting of what happened for the last eight years with a couple of “six-week, certainly not over six-month” wars?
Obama had a small opening during which he could have gotten the military back under civilian government control, and he didn’t take it, and he will pay, big time for that abrogation of a President’s job.

83 VR February 27, 2010 at 10:32 am

pabelmont , if you have a pot of coffee and a little time, I recommend sitting through Thomas Barnett’s ‘The Pentagon’s New Map,” because here you have it all laid out in regard to the global military “plan.” It was delivered in 2004, and is the literal debriefing given to the entire military complex, with a myriad of innocuous phrases that mean nothing but death and destruction to anyone who disagrees with what direction the world should be heading.

The only other recommendation I would have is reading Chalmers Johnson’s “The Sorrows Of Empire,” for a good dose of reality -

THE PENTAGONS NEW MAP

84 VR February 27, 2010 at 10:49 am

In regard to Israel, within the picture described above (Map), it is one on the important engines that helps to inflame and continue the process of “military intervention” in the ME theater. It value is accessed by its ability to dredge up the reasons for violent intervention, and the makeup of the lobby ensures that the largess accrues through the regulatory process to the armed beasts elite participants.

So Israel and the elite counterpart in the US serves a twofold process of both the US giving colonial leave to its elites in the US to colonize Palestine (just like the British, as example gave leave to their elites to colonize India and Africa), and in return Israel and it s elite US counterpart help to foment war so the machine can function and thrive. Anyone or anything that gives purpose of animus to the war cry is considered sacrosanct.

AMERICANA

85 VR February 27, 2010 at 3:19 pm

Oh, just in case you were wondering, this is the “special relationship” that Israel is referring to

86 potsherd February 27, 2010 at 11:03 am

Everyone should watch this. I remember seeing it years ago, and it’s breathtaking to see how the powers are sticking to this strategy. Presidents have no power to shift it, certainly, even if they tried.

87 VR February 27, 2010 at 11:40 am

Take a journey into the labyrinth of the complex, and watch the money flow as freely a blood from a fresh wound. If you begin to examine this in its particulars it will not be long before the lights turn on -

MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

88 Chaos4700 February 27, 2010 at 11:44 am

My only consolation is that this neoconservative / neoliberal master plan is a pipe dream that is doomed to failure. Of course they will essentially sacrifice the United States, as a viable nation, and gamble all of our futures here on this idiocy. Sooner or later, the US government is going to have to declare bankruptcy. It’s virtually inevitable at this point.

89 VR February 27, 2010 at 12:09 pm

Yes, and lets not forget the benefit on the financial side to the few. The country will bankrupt, and the largess will be spirited away. So in this game you have not only the means of war, colonialism and its elite entourage, but the transfer of wealth in a rarefied air that few are aware of in the sense of the complete picture. In the sense of Israel and its elite counterparts in the US they are sitting at the table in a number of seats, it is quite self-contained. Now mind you, it is still a confluence of interests, which is the conclusion you will have to come to after following all of the links I provided, it is just that this cadre is the face of the process currently shown. However, let us not forget the financial side –

GETTING AWAY

90 pabelmont February 28, 2010 at 8:57 am

As VR says, the largess will be spirited away.

Just as the Duvaliers and other dictators have obtained money (e.g., IMF loans to their countries, diverted into private bank accounts), we have an image of US billionaires spiriting profits from MISCC out of USA just before the crash caused, I suppose, when China finds a way to become an even greater power at some cost in devalued US bond holdings)

91 VR February 28, 2010 at 10:17 am

Yes, just at the outset of the financial crash, when things began to unhinge at the Bear Stearns juncture, there was an unprecedented “weekend” of bellying up to the desk withdrawal. You have those “silent” runs on the bank, so to speak, where the windows are not shut and the large holders are allowed to cash out. I called the beginning of the financial crash on March 2008, telling people to get their money out, just previous to the more public meltdown a few months later -

‘Suddenly the market voted to run for the money and close out their accounts, this happened with both the hedge fund clients that anted to close their premium accounts and the counter-parties. In other words, on Thursday it was get out of Dodge! Now all the investors are panicked, and the firms debt looks very risky. So that now the insurance on the default is $730,000 per every $10,000,000.000 dollar value, 730 is a very high rate.

So Bear Stearns continues to see its financial leveraging unravel. The investment lawyers necks are starting to crane, and with Bear Stearns, and its deep deep involvement in the derivatives contracts we are beginning to see the start of the great financial crash. Just a heads up for you.’ (quoting myself – lol)

THE BEGINNING OF THE FINANCIAL COLLAPSE

92 VR February 28, 2010 at 10:37 am

Perhaps it is time for people to truly realize the nature of the corporation which has been birth in the USA -

CORPORATE MAKEUP

If not anything else understand why the buying of a home is involed with “mortgage,” which when the word is parsed it means death game -

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rzUVAHVd4"THE AGENDA

“You could follow logic or contest it all
The work solution makes the common house a home
The element of progress that you mention is gone
It de-evolved to something you were headed toward

As I lay to die the things I think
Did I waste my time? I think I did, I worked for life
All we want are just pretty little homes
Our work makes pretty little homes
Like a cast shadow, like a fathers dream
Have a cut out son, what’s a worse disease

To get that pretty little home, as I lay to die the things I think
I don’t want to regret what I did and work for life
All we want are just pretty little homes
Our work makes pretty little homes
Agenda suicide, the drones work hard before they die
And give up on pretty little homes

Our work makes pretty little homes
Our work makes pretty little homes
Agenda suicide, the drones work hard before they die
And give up on pretty little homes.”

93 VR February 28, 2010 at 10:39 am

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rzUVAHVd4"THE AGENDA

94 VR February 28, 2010 at 10:40 am

Damn links –

THE AGENDA

95 VR February 28, 2010 at 10:51 am

Or if you prefer –

FOR THE WORKFORCE

“Falling from the top floor your lungs
fill like parachutes
windows go rushing by.
People inside,
dressed for the funeral in black and white.
These ties strangle our necks, hanging in the closet,
trapped in the cubicle;
without a name, just numbers, on the resume stored in the mainframe, marked for delete.

Please take these hands
throw them in the river,
wash away the things they never held
please take these hands,
throw me in the river,
don’t let me drown before the workday ends.

9 to 5! 9 to 5!

And we’re up to our necks,
drowning in the seconds,
ingesting the morning commute
lost in a dead subway sleep
we lie wide awake in our parent’s beds,
tossing and turning.
Tomorrow we’ll get up
drive to work,
single file
with everyday
it’s like the last.
Waiting for the life to start, is it always just always ahead of the curve?

Please take these hands
throw them in the river,
wash away the things they never held
please take these hands,
throw me in the river,
don’t let me drown before the workday ends.

Just keep making copies
of copies
of copies
when will it end?

t’ll never end,
’til it gets so bad
that the ink fills in our fingerprints
and the silhouette of your own face becomes the black cloud of war
and even in our dreams we’re so afraid the weight will offset who we are
all those breaths that you took have now been canceled in your lungs.
Last night my teeth fell out like ivory typewriter keys
and all the monuments and skyscrapers burned down and filled the sea.

save our ship
the anchor is part of the desk
we can’t cut free,
the water is flooding the decks
the memos sent through the currents
computers spark like flares
I can see them.
They don’t touch me,
touch me.

Please someone,
teach me how to swim.
Please, don’t let me drown,
please, don’t let me drown.”

96 MRW March 1, 2010 at 5:03 am

VR,

Barnett is an arrogant fuck,and he was wrong about a lot of things: didn’t foresee as he says a lot of unintended consequences. And his whole argument in the Q&A about Muslims not allowing women to enter the workforce can also be applied to Orthodox Jews in Israel, here, and worldwide. 10-13% of Muslims worldwide are fundamentalists. 12.56%-13.53% of Jews are Orthodox.

That question from the Pakistani just flew over his head.

97 VR February 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm

An interesting stand up comic rant -

THE OWNERS

98 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 8:36 pm

Yeah Carlin was right on the mony shot. He was great. He never was able to point hot just who the current owners of the USA are. Phil does his best so that you see who they are. This gives us our truth. Happy? Phil is an ivy league Jew married to a WASP.
He and her just have not taken full advantage of that–should he copy the Clintons?
Can I fold that into a derivative security and sell it on Wall St?

99 Citizen February 27, 2010 at 8:43 pm

mony=money

As in Cabaret, you know Cabaret? Weimar? I G Farben, Krupp? Fascist Italy sans Hitler’s influence? The current USA? Jews on the bandwagon? Ask Nader. Oh, that’s right, what could the lemon law guy know about corporate USA? After all, isn’t he an Arab?

100 VR February 27, 2010 at 10:06 pm

In reality Citizen, there is too much cult of personality, or whatever “group” in the assessment of the serious condition we are in today. This is why you always find me referring back to “system” and cold facts, because if you do not understand the process of what is taking place it does not matter how much you like a person or their position in life, or for that matter what specific group they belong to – that is less than secondary.

If we do not reduce to acts and humanity in general it just becomes a circus. It becomes “my Jew is better than yours,” and the “Arabs are marginalized” – or whatever combination you like. When it is the acts systemically taking place by whoever the actors may be. So essentially what happens? You are now in the divisive trap, and that is a division or differentiation by the common elements used by elites of race, religion, ethnicity, or gender, etc. You have all of these divergent vying for attention or the spotlight, and the twain never meet, and a general impact of import cannot be made.

We need a common denominator of what cannot and should not be done, no matter who the actor(s) are, and that who does these atrocious things is quite immaterial to what it has done to any other member(s) of the human race. It could be the factor that “all men are created equal,” and what is commonly derived from that confession without the equivocation of “except for the Indian savages” or the “blacks who are less than human” (both formulated in the Declaration and Constitution respectively).

101 Citizen February 28, 2010 at 7:59 am

Where did we go after Ike expressed his concern about the Military-Industrial-Complex? Where after the red diaper generation expressed their concern about the capitalist system? Why are leaders like Nader dismissed as fringe nuts when they talk about the negative impact of corporations? Who remembers what General Smedley Butler said the business of war? When’s the last time congress men or women
reminded themselves what Washington said about entangling relations with foreign countries? Did the MSM beat out noise when congress tore down the wall separating
commercial and investment banks? Why did Obama place the cart before the horse, that is, pushed health insurance ahead of jobs? It’s arguable (apart from
identity politics) that the system is pretty much now an equal opportunity employer, yes? Maybe that’s the de facto common denominator? Every piece of legislation has a positive impact for some people, and a negative impact for others; as does every congressional resolution.

102 Citizen February 28, 2010 at 8:04 am

Smedley Butler:

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

103 pabelmont February 28, 2010 at 9:03 am

Smedley Butler quote:
You have a source?
Is this from a useful book?

104 pabelmont February 28, 2010 at 9:38 am

Sorry, too lazy.
The Fighting Quaker, Old Gimlet Eye. (wiki)

quotes

105 LeaNder February 28, 2010 at 10:44 am

This seems the main source. Sounds like an interesting man.

106 Citizen February 28, 2010 at 1:36 pm

Instead we have a common denominator called “I need more and better stuff!”
http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant02242010.html

Read it along with Shmuel’s comment above on this thread concerning thieves.

107 Todd February 28, 2010 at 9:46 am

“The Palestinian call for BDS is not a campaign to bring Israel to its end, but rather a campaign to force Israel to uphold its commitments under international law and the moral and legal standards of a real democracy.”

It doesn’t matter to me if most Palestinians want to put an end to Israel. I also don’t buy any claims that a significant percentage of the Jewish population of Israel is ignorant about what goes on when one population dispels another, or what Israel’s military is for.

Most of the Jewish population is descended from people who were living elsewhere a generation or two prior, so there is no excuse for claiming ignorance of Palestinian claims or treatment at the hands of Jews. Even the Schaeffer is American-born! Does she not see the significance of her own move to Israel, or how Palestnians may view such a move, no matter how concerned she may act?

108 VR February 28, 2010 at 11:04 am

Sooner or later, whether it is here or abroad you are going to have to face what it will take to unearth the people from this nightmare. The Palestinians live by extension what all oppressed people experience in the world, and that is the majority. All roads lead systemically to the same end, and it is time to stop fooling around –

FACE IT

109 Citizen February 28, 2010 at 12:03 pm

A new Free Gaza flotilla is scheduled to go to Gaza next April. Included this time are
boats from Turkey, Malaysia, Belgium, Greece inter alia. The Palestinians say they can take care of themselves–won’t need charity if Israel would just end the blockade, occupation. No building constructions are let in; most are still living in tents since Cast Lead. The flotilla will try to bring in those things and other basics needed desperately.
Information here–they don’t understand why the world allows Israel to cut them off completely from stuff required for simple basic living–notice that there are no boats joining the flotilla from any Arab country:

http://www.freegaza.org/

110 MRW March 1, 2010 at 2:55 am

VR,

You ruined my weekend with all the great links you suggested.

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