Yes I am bad for owning the whole loaf but you are just as bad for dreaming you can own it

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Did you listen to Ethan Bronner’s multimedia report on the article where you rightly point out that he only called Israelis?

He says that both sides have elements that oppose the two-state solution. And for both it is giving something up, and that for both the dream is the whole pie. Then he realizes what he’s done, and says one side has to give up the dream and the other side has to give up the practice.

So Palestinians giving up the dream of one Palestinian state (how many people still seriously say this?) and Israelis giving up the practice of one (the occupation) are equivalent? Naturally, there was no mention of occupation and international law, and how they play into these "dreams" and "practices"…

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  1. dalybean
    March 17, 2010, 12:27 pm

    Bronner has supposedly spoken with admiration of the settler’s erotic attachment to the land, even though it is being revealed as sheer intransigent greed.

    • Chaos4700
      March 17, 2010, 12:32 pm

      That erotic attachment is kind of reminiscent of something else that circulates in Zionist circles.

      There’s a reason why God warned us about worshiping golden calves.

      • Mooser
        March 17, 2010, 4:37 pm

        “There’s a reason why God warned us about worshiping golden calves.”

        Unless they’re below the knees of a beautiful girl, of course.

    • DICKERSON3870
      March 17, 2010, 5:23 pm

      RE: “Bronner has supposedly spoken with admiration of the settler’s erotic attachment to the land…” – dalybean
      MY COMMENT: To the extent it is erotic, it is also perverted.

      • RoHa
        March 17, 2010, 11:22 pm

        Erotic and perverted?

        You are trying to win me over to it, aren’t you?

      • DICKERSON3870
        March 18, 2010, 11:47 am

        They don’t call me “The Mad Marquis” for nuttin’!

  2. Chaos4700
    March 17, 2010, 12:30 pm

    Hypocrisy is the bread and butter of Zionists.

  3. Shmuel
    March 17, 2010, 12:32 pm

    This attitude of both sides having a problem, both having extreme positions, both having to compromise (even if one has to give up its “dream” and the other its “practice”), ignoring the current and constant violation of international law and Palestinian rights, is the narrative that places all its eggs in the “peace-process” basket. No need to address injustice or Palestinian suffering now, because all that will be worked out in the “process”. No need to address the wall or the siege or the settlements, because that will all go away once peace breaks out. It is thus counter-productive to “antagonise” the Israelis over such issues, because this is all about negotiations and diplomacy and rapprochement. The Palestinians will just have to grin and bear it (assuming we even remember that they are being oppressed and abused), or they’ll “miss another opportunity”. As the Israeli ambassador assured us a little while ago, these things take time. Why are these “natives” so bloody impatient and short-sighted? Eye on the prize. Eye on the prize. Unless, of course, you happen to be eyeless (in Gaza).

    • Chaos4700
      March 17, 2010, 12:36 pm

      It is thus counter-productive to “antagonise” the Israelis over such issues, because this is all about negotiations and diplomacy and rapprochement.

      You’d think we would have learned from Neville Chamberlain’s example, the folly of that approach.

    • James Bradley
      March 17, 2010, 1:57 pm

      That was an amazing comment Shmuel.

      Eye on the prize. Eye on the prize. Unless, of course, you happen to be eyeless (in Gaza).

      Well said.

    • MRW
      March 17, 2010, 2:18 pm

      I agree, Shmuel. Gotta tell you, I love your comments. Would that everyone in the Israeli leadership had your moral center, I’d be off the web doing important things, and not worrying about WWIII.

    • Citizen
      March 17, 2010, 5:06 pm

      Shmuel–man, your comment is concise, meaty, and eloquent. I wish you the best.

  4. potsherd
    March 17, 2010, 4:12 pm

    LA Times has interview with Mustapha Barghouti
    link to latimes.com

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