Tomorrow the American Friends Service Committee in Chicago will hold a mock Congressional Hearing on US foreign policy in Israel/Palestine to look at the question - "Does US Policy on Israel/Palestine uphold our values?" The event will take place 1:30 - 5:30 p.m. Central Daylight Time (GMT -5) at the University of Chicago, but anyone can watch online at the website www.chicagohearing.org.
Event organizer Jennifer Bing-Canar explained, "We hope this Hearing will bring the question of values into the discussion about US policy. The American people voted for "hope and change", and we see neither when it comes to US policy towards Israel and Palestine. It's critical that people around the world see that ordinary Americans -- as well as our elected officials -- care about the lives of people who are affected daily by US policies in the Middle East." There are already over 30 viewing events planned around the country to watch the live webcast including in Boston, New York, Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., to Indiana and Idaho, to Walla, Walla, Wash., and San Francisco. You can email contact@chicagohearing.org to see if there is a viewing planned near you.
The event, moderated by journalist Helena Cobban, will bring together witnesses from Israel/Palestine and the United States who will testify to the impact of U.S. foreign policy on property rights, freedom of movement, and military aid.
Witnesses include:
* Cindy Corrie, whose daughter Rachel was killed by an Israeli bulldozer while she tried to stop the demolition of a Palestinian family's home;
* Amer Shurrab, a Palestinian peace activist from Gaza who will speak of his family's devastation during Israel's 2009 war in Gaza;
* Jeff Halper, coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions;
* Jad Isaac, an environmental expert and director of the Applied Research Institute, Jerusalem.
A Listener Panel of Chicago-area religious leaders and academics will question the witnesses. Panelists include:
* John Mearsheimer, professor of political science at the University of Chicago;
* Cantor Michael Davis, member of the Jewish Fast for Gaza;
* Ghada Talhami, professor emerita of politics at Lake Forest College;
* Cotton Fite, associate priest at St. Luke's Episcopal Church, Evanston;
* Barbara Ransby, associate professor of gender and women's studies, African American studies, and history at the University of Illinois at Chicago;
* Zaher Sahloul, M.D., chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago.
Nothing but a bunch of maximalist haters, traitors and self-loathing Jews. There, I said it first. ;-)
I guess now busy, busy Witty might actually have to comment on some of the articles documenting crimes against Palestinians by Israelis as documented by the Palestinians actually suffering.
Or maybe he’ll just turn a blind eye and keep trampling over them.
Seeing as you summarized his, yonira’s and eee’s post all so succinctly.
Well, if Witty’s looking for something to do he can read what Mr Walt
has to say about “dual loyalty” and multiple loyalties–Witty has often
defended having multiple loyalties and jeered at the notion of dual loyalty–and missed the concern about particular individuals expressed by regulars here :
link to mycatbirdseat.com
Citizen i don’t think we should call this dual loyalties, Witty and his friends are more loyal for Israel than their own native country, i think the term is “Foreign loyalty”.
I think Witty’s loyalty to the English language should be put under scrutiny too! Unless he “acts to attempt to reduce the harms “(sic) he inflicts on it immediately..
It is not ‘Foreign Loyalty’ we simply cannot countenance this blindly condemning the Jews or Israelis without justifyably fair and just basis that could withstand arguments in trials before any court of wisdom… One against the world, we prefer to stand with one with right, than with the whole world of malice!
The world condemns the Jews for murder? Is their any conscientious morally right nation in this entire world without blood of colonies in their hands? England? America? Germany? Greece? France? Iraq? Iran? Syria? Lebanon? the Saxons? the Teutons, the Angles? the Vikings? Celts? Welsh? Spaniards? Egypt? Hittites?….
While Witty beats the English language over the head with a Menorah, I seduce it. The vernacular “flutters like a wounded bird in my boudoir”.
Wrong. They get paid very well for this stuff. What a great scam.
Yea, the Corries are millionaires…
Give me a break.
Found those WMDs in Iraq yet, Mr. Tinfoil Hat?
Helena Cobban and Friends Service Committee have spent long years dealing fairly with all sides; they’ve earned their right to be listened to.
And no, yoni, they’re not in it for the money and it’s not a scam; why would you even form the concept that someone who would seek to point out that American values differ from zionist values is a “scam”
“a stratagem for gain; a swindle … a trick”
What “swindle” is an American scheming by reminding Americans of what American values are and how killing people — in Iraq, in Afghanistan, or by supporting Israel, in Palestine, and, in the planning stage, in Iran?
How is that a scam?
In fact, the ‘scam’ is the sting zionist Israel and AIPAC have been playing on the US since at least 1948.
Why don’t American Israel-Firsters put on their own ‘mock’ Congressional hearings too?
I’ll supply the microphones and violins.
When you told that absurd story how you were working with the “Palestinians” during the 1967 drubbing it put a tear in my eye.
Julian,
Why is it that you rarely have anything substantive to add to the discussion? Whenever you post, it’s either a jab, a bluster, a rant or a gloat. Can’t you bring something more enriching to the conversation?
Perhaps “Julian” is actually an anti-Zionist who comes here to show Zionists in the worst possible light.
Julian,
I was five years old in 1967 asshole!
But here’s a box of tissues to help you out here and now in 2010.
My parents helped unarmed Palestinians who were brutally attacked and injured by your khazar grandparents – two of them died, one of them in my father’s arms. Wanna know more, cause I got plenty tear-jerkers for you jerko.
You guys are desperate and it shows.
Sick that you deligitmize the Jewish right to Israel by using the anti-semitic Khazar slur.
Unix, dear, you should be pround and happy with your khazarian ancestry. The khazars did exist in history and it’s well known they converted to judaism (for political reasons originally). When their kingdom fell, they spread across the four corners of europe. Well documented this stuff my dear.
But I am warning you: if you throw or even insinuate the ‘anti-semite’ label at me or at anyone else without proof, I am reporting you as an abuser.
I’ll be doing this to honor the victims of the holocaust whom you evidently have no compunction offending in their graves.
You are an anti-semite. You use sick neo-nazi theories to attempt to destroy the link between Jews and their land. It really is disgusting.
You seek to silence me because you do not agree with me challenging your immoral views.
Don’t Silence Me!
Wow it took you 48 hours to finally memorize the new hasbara slogan – that’s like 16 hours per word.
But you got it right in the end and I guess that’s what counts :-)
Good job dear. Now for hasbara lesson number two: can you learn to say the word ‘chosen’, you know, with deep, deep feeling? It’s good to practice it on strangers first.
chosen *deep deep feeling
Now that’s what I call a REAL self-hating jew!
Someone who really really hates their ancestors and denies their relationship to them.
”Don’t Silence Me! “‘
How are you being silenced? Is having your views being silenced?
I need MORE feeling c’mon you can do it, you know it’s in you – ready now? Okay, silence on set please, scene Unix, take two aaaaand ACTION!
Khazar is an anti-semitic slur in my book.
I agree. It is abusive, a BIG LIE again.
Don’t Silence Me!
unix
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Ha ha haha ! Now where have we seen that?
I told the guy follows a script!
Arthur Koestler and Shlomo Sand are anti-Semitic, yonira?
I agree with Richard Witty and Yonira it is a BIG LIE again to use the Khazar slur against Jews.
Khazarian history is one thing, but to use it like taxi uses it is anti-semitic.
again your hate book yonira? why not you read some goldstone? its real and based on facts and Hasbara free!
How should I use it, pray tell? Shall I say it quickly under my breath so no one really hears me?
Get over yourself – you can fight me but you can’t fight history.
That is not history, is an Anti Semitic BIG LIE
If you behave yourself, Unix, maybe the Palestinians will let you have a tourist visa so you can come visit the place for a week.
Because Jews should be barred? Interesting.
Or a Zionist posing as an anti-Zionist who comes here to show Zionists in the worst possible light :-)
The story gets better. A man died in your father’s arms. How melodramatic.
Your parents stayed in a war zone with a 5 year old refusing to leave, just to help the poor Arabs? (No Palestinians at that time. Arafat made that up later.)
What crap.
“No Palestinians at that time. Arafat made that up later.)
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Yawn! Before there was even a Yasser Arafat, ya dunce, there was Ahmad Shoqueiry. He never referred to his people by anything but “the Palestinians”..Why did you opt for lies?
Paul Newman said so, and look at Witty’s CAPS.
Halevy the Jewish poet who rhapsodized about Khazar conversion to Judaism was an antisemite?
“Jewish right to Israel” based on WHAT, exactly? The exalted legal principle of “We stole it fair and square” ??
tell it to Halevey, Witty.
tell Spanish Jewish poet Halevy that Jews=Khazars=Jews is a “BIG LIE”
this from a shareholder in BIG LIE, Inc.
Hard to know what you are saying psychopath.
UNIX can I inquire? what become the Khazar Judaic converts. were they recognized in the long run officially as Jews? This is historically interesting?
julian
Another hateful and moronic response: the war zone lasted 6 days – if you didn’t leave on the first day, you were stuck there stupid, like in the safety of a guarded hotel basement!
Some people risked their own lives in WW2 to save the jews of europe – why wouldn’t ‘other’ people do the same for a palestinian or two. And besides, for my dad, it was not about palestinian or euro jew at the time, it was about helping PEOPLE!
Where you really born a heartless piss-brain, or it is something they taught you at the hasbara academy of hate?
I wish, you don’t know how I wish that were true!
A convert in Judaism is recognized by the community, Ruth was a convert. (its different now w/ different types of conversions, a Reform or Conservative conversion is not recognized by the Orthodox) After the Khazarian empire (if you can call it that) crumbled they were integrated into their surrounding Jewish communities.
I don’t get it, what’s the “slur”? Oh, I get it, somebody is trying to say that some Jews are like, Asian-European, instead of being Palestinians who happened to be Jewish, and moved elsewhere?
“were they recognized in the long run officially as Jews?”
Yes, it took a delegation, but after a long journey to Rome, they were received, had an audience with the Pope, and were officially recognised as Jews.
One of the advantages of being persecuted and exiled for 2,000 years is that you always keep meticulous records and lists of “official” Jews, extensively investigate all marriages to make sure of the participant’s religion, and since the Gentiles are going to kill us all anyway, we might as well be very, very exclusive!
The Holacaust? Heck, with so many Jews being killed, it was a chance to get the books straightened out, and make sure only “official” Jews were left. Cleared out the dead wood, don’t you know!
RICHARD WITTY- Please tell me you are joking? If the Ashkenazi Jews aren’t descended from the Khazars, or other European converts, where did they come from? Are you, even for a minute, suggesting that there is a Jewish race?
Ashkenazim come from Israel, it has been proven historically and genetically that this is the case.
The only folks who talk about the khazar theory are neo nazis and radical leftists
The goal of the Khazar theory is a sort of eugenics and re-racializing of the conflict.
Very sick and very wrong to use the anti-semitic Khazar slur
I agree Julian. No wonder Israel is having demographic problems, they are just too damned decent to have kids in a war zone!
Thank goodness that Taxi driver was stopped before he could commit another terrorist act.
To get back to the discussion (Taxi’s story is a radical lie)
The Khazar theory has been proved wrong.
USA policy needs to change to support massive Jewish settlement in Ramallah
why are gentiles “antisemites” but jews are “self-hating jews?” Why aren’t jews “self-hating semites?”
Psychopathic,
Why are euro khazars called semites when clearly they’re not?
[Groundbreaking Chicago Hearing to Ask : Does US Policy on Israel/Palestine uphold our values?]
1. America as a nation built as a democratic nations founded on Christian ideals; YES.
As written in the American Declaration of Independence,
‘We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they were endowed by their Creator with certain unaliebable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness…. do all other acts which independent states may of rights do. With a firm reliance on the protection of the Divine Providence’ (Excerpts frolm the American Declaration of Independence)
The state recognizes and stands to its principles to provide AMONG ITS CITIZENS the right to Life, Liberty, and pursuit of Happiness. And to govern and act as an independent nation. All these ideals relates to support the unalineable right of Jews or every citien of israel to live likewise in peace, independence and total reliance to God.
2. America that abandoned their national ideals, and an atheistic nation. NO! To hell with American ideals!
Funny, I couldn’t find the part in the Declaration of Independence which says only Jews have rights, and I’m not sure how you got from “all men are created equal” to only Jews and citizens of Israel have rights. I didn’t even find the one which said only citizens have rights which would be a great boon to “tyrants” since they could declare anyone they want non-citizens (as Israel did to most Palestinians) then expel them from territory they’d lived in for thousands of years, or mass murder them. I found one or two mentioning native Americans as “savages,” so I’m not sure how much one should rely on it, however, I did find a number of clauses, I’m including some of the more applicable here (my comments in parentheses):
He [referring to the British king, but in this case, think Israel, the sovereign over Palestine] has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. (like the Israeli refusal to assent to the Geneva conventions?)
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. (I guess in the case of Israel it isn’t physical distance but e.g. the bureaucratic hoops Israel makes Palestinians jump through before denying them permits to build homes, still, clearly intent on “fatiguing them into compliance with Israel’s measures)
He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. (how many PA legislature representatives are in Israeli jails now? How many elected mayors did Israel dispose?)
He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. (Yup, how many Palestinian judges are there in the Israeli military courts ?)
He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. (Describes the occupation pretty accurately)
He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power. (Yah got that one? Palestinians have no civil power in the occupation authorities. Never had.)
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:
For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states: (see Btselem report on the subject of impunity for Israeli soldiers and settlers)
For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world: (see siege of Gaza and to a great extent the West Bank)
For imposing taxes on us without our consent: (see Btselem report on that subject too)
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury: (see military court system in the occupied territories, applied to Palestinians only of course)
He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. (exactly)
I could go on…
I challenge anybody to forward any Mandela declaration against Israel on issues about apartheid.
Anybody want a nice piece fruitcake? Full of nuts, and candied rinds!
If you go to the website for the hearing, be careful! Watch out for re-directs, and worms and viruses!
I’m not sure the US has any American values anymore when it comes to Israel. Have not seen much evidence it has any since JFK’s mission to prevent Israel from getting the bomb and force The Lobby to register as an agent of Israel was foiled by his arupt assassination. After reading the most recent compelling Antiwar. com exposes by Philip Giraldi, Grant F Smith, Jeff Gates, and Jeff Blankfort it seems American values are kaput when it comes to anything Israel.
Hardly compelling. They write the same article over and over again.
How would you know? You don’t read.
Snap, damn Chaos that was an epic burn. you are amazing!
yonira you need to get some hasbara classes at AIPAC, you are unable to help your cause in this blog!
Zionist playbook: In the absence of a defence, abuse the prosecution.
Zionist playbook: In the absence of a defence, abuse the prosecution.
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Accuse them of being paid by Saudi oil money. It works. (or it USED to)
the zionist playbook is hidden in plain sight:
These are the roots of the zionist propaganda strategy, fine-tuned by Sigmund Freud and his nephew, Edward Bernays , enshrined in the WUJS Hasbara manual and updated by Frank Luntz for The Israel Project: EVER?YBODY who is “with” Joshua and his murderous ambition to take what he wants and kill anyone who stands in his way — speak with one voice, repeat, shout the same message, over and over and over again until it seems to be the inevitable truth: that killing is moral, that stealing is a right.
Hillary Clinton is Rahab par excellance: the prostitute who delivered her nation to the hands of Joshua, in exchange for her own and her family’s aggrandizement.
Helena Cobban is an American hero: she, with the support of the Friends Service Committee, is standing up to the propaganda/hasbara/brainwashing murderous agenda on the Joshua model by which zionists scheme to supplant American values with murderous zionist values in order to “moralize” the theft of the property of another and the murder of innocent others.
Not in my name.
Go Helena Cobban Go.
“As for me, I will serve the god of humanism and of integrity, not the yahweh of theft and destruction.” (Joshua 24: 15, Newly revised, Psychopathic god version)
You read the Torah out of context; It was not Joshua’s initiative, his orders were just following what was commanded by the Captain of the host of the LORD (Lord of all Angels) (Joshua 5:13-15) who appeared to him as he was passing Jericho. And take note the Lord of host was not an angel, because Joshua before the Him, ‘stood by the holy ground’ [as angels of the Lord do not allow men to worship nor bow before them, but kept to worship only God (Revelations 22:9)] so there was no “speak with one voice, repeat, shout the same message, over and over and over again until it seems to be the inevitable truth: that killing is moral, that stealing is a right.”
It appears you are reading the Torah but by the understanding of Satan; contemptuous to the spirit of the message of the scriptures just like way the devil behaves before God during the days of Job.
PG,
I think you overestimate the influence of the Bible in general and the book of Joshua in particular on Zionist ideology past and especially present. As for propaganda methods, these have been developed and fine-tuned by many, throughout the 20th-21st centuries, and Zionism is no better or worse than some of the other interests that have been promoted by these methods. Bernays himself certainly has far more to answer for than the use that Zionism, or political movements in general have made of his work.
Thanks for your words Psychopathic god! Finally you have clearly defined who you are. The god of humanism and of integrity…is indeed if you read the Bible, is actually Satan himself – everyone who rely and worship their own human self/capacity and understanding (humanism) is sinful before God…Human (self/carnal) integrity is plainly pride and arrogance before God…As was written, the character of the natural man is entirely opposite to God. The wisdom of man is foolishness before God:
[But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1Corinthians 2:14)]
[Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Romans 8: 7)]
Total faith to the Almighty God is core of all these lesson and teachings in the ancient scriptures.
Zamaaz,
I think I’ve said this before, but arguments based on your faith are completely irrelevant to anyone who does not share that faith to begin with. Since this is not a Christian or even a religious forum, I suggest you try to find some arguments that do not begin and end with God Almighty.
We do not live in Bibleland. PG’s humanism (not necessarily atheist) and integrity are the only possible basis for peaceful relations between people who do not share the same gods or beliefs. This land is mine or somebody else’s because (my) God said so is absolutely worthless as arguments go – all the more so if one doesn’t even believe in that God (obviously not your case). So please, save your preaching for Church.
Excuse me, but arguements based on what the Jews were like and did pre-diaspora have no relevance!
When God Almighty decided (for whatever reasons) that the Jews would endure the Diaspora, all that King David and Solomon stuff flew out the window.
Or, if God cannot control events, and the Jews and their God were simply beaten by the Romans and expelled…..
Shemuel, Actually I do not have business with your discussions here as Jews, anti-Jews or anti-semite, or religious whatever. have you notice your tirades are unending? I know how would you react as non Bible reading Jews. These are expected. The troubles among the Jews and Palestinians are there to stay just like the way you argue against each other. You can keep their conflicts among yourselves forever…My intent is to translate the arguments into Christian perspectives so that Christians reading these webpages can relate into their stand towards this undercurrents in the Arab-Israel conflict…What is important to us is our view regarding these developments because these have spiritual impact to us….
I do not know if you are aware of it, but the support of America to Israel is not because America rely on Israel for security in the middle east. In fact Israel is a thorn in its throat. But because of millions of American Christians out there (who my values were also inherited from through American Missionaries) who shared the same commitment through their Biblical faith of supporting Israel without conditions…
Zamaaz: My intent is to translate the arguments into Christian perspectives so that Christians reading these webpages can relate into their stand towards this undercurrents in the Arab-Israel conflict
That’s rather a nuisance to the non-Christians (almost certainly the majority of readers here). Why don’t you find a Christian forum that discusses such matters, if that is your frame of reference and intended audience? Speaking for myself, I would not go to a predominantly Christian forum to address a given subject from an atheist or Jewish perspective, in order to convince the few atheist or Jewish readers who might be reading.
I join into this debate not because I love the Jews more than the Palestinians. In fact I also suffer the sorrow thinking of the Palestinians Christians out there. But I just found the arguments here revulsive mocking (typical of the traditional Jewish character) the Israeli government and swaying the world with millions of Christians out there to think the Israeli government is a bunch of idiots.
Remember that you are talking of ‘Israel’, ‘Jews’, and ‘Jerusalem’. These things are endeared to us as these are places mentioned in the Bible- the core of our faith. The focal places of Divine promises to us believers… If your do your wars in other places, that is no problem to us. Just leave the Israeli nation particularly the government business alone …
Zamaaz: But I just found the arguments here revulsive mocking (typical of the traditional Jewish character) …
Thanks heaps, Z, for that important lesson regarding the “traditional Jewish character” (said in a revulsive mocking tone). I’m sure honest Christians who happen to stumble upon this blog by accident, while searching for Satanslies or Monotheise, will recognise these Jewish lies about Israel faster than you can say Armageddon, and go somewhere theologically-correct like Israelnationalnews. You underestimate the intelligence of your fellow Christians.
Mooser, Among the Christians believers, God was not beaten by the Romans, it was expected through a prophesy (through Daniel) in about 606 BC that the Jews will be conquered and uprooted by its enemy, the Romans:
[And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26)]
This event happened in 70AD and was the second uprooting of the Jews from Israel. The beginning of the exile of the Jews in the new era.
This destruction was also reinforced through this prophetic lamentation:
[Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:37-39)]
This was spoken by Jesus of Nazareth about 30.5 AD. When the Romans destroyed Jerusalem to the grounds in 70 AD, that was exactly within one generation – ‘this generation’
The Bible is clearly somewhere in the background of all western imperialism, though the question of ‘just how influential?’ is very intangible. The Zionist enterprise does seem like – to my mind, I must admit, terrifyingly like – a reenactment of the Joshua story. But so – more remotely, but still recognisably – does the Spanish and British colonisation of the Americas. And other events, through which I think runs the idea of human sacrifice for the universal good, one of the foils for the idea of human rights. (I think Bruce Chilton’s ‘Abraham’s Curse’ is quite good on this topic, not that religion is the source of all the problems.)
Mind you, if you are going to claim that you have a special exemption from normal human duties, you implicitly admit that you are indeed ignoring normal duties and rights, quite a grave admission. You’d better have a good argument, with some great and universal good on display: here ‘a great gain for our group’ hardly begins to qualify. If you say ‘God wills it!’ you either need to say ‘God acts unintelligibly’ (which badly weakens your right to say that you understand His will) or explain (as the Hebrew Bible poets tried to do) that God is working on something great and universal. The Christian Zionists are working on updates but without quite the same poetic power.
MHughes: Mind you, if you are going to claim that you have a special exemption from normal human duties, you implicitly admit that you are indeed ignoring normal duties and rights, quite a grave admission. You’d better have a good argument, with some great and universal good on display: here ‘a great gain for our group’ hardly begins to qualify.
That is exactly why Zionism must perpetuate the idea of Jewish victimhood, not just in the past and not just in a practical sense, but as an eternal symbol of victimhood, of innocence vs. guilt, life vs. death, modernity vs. atavism, etc. If you think about it, it is not so different from the attitudes of European colonialists. See eg. Greenblatt’s Marvelous Possessions.
“(who my values were also inherited from through American Missionaries)”
You poor deluded, ignorant son-of-a-bitch!
That’s what I said, dummy! So tell me, when did GOD announce that the diaspora was over, and that He looked with favor on the return of the Jews to Palestine? When?
Even if that happened before I was born, it would have been in all the papers. You don’t need to tell me the prophets said we were going to get our asses kicked, I knew that. I’m just wondering when (1897? 1920-1930? Post WW2?) God announced the new Zion was “go” full speed ahead. So please reproduce a copy of the message.
Even if Obama wanted to cut aid to Israel, how could he? It’s congress
who controls such gifts; the relevant committes are all AIPAC stenographers; those who fill the committees have always been very carefully selected.
Obama can’t spend what Congress won’t appropriate, but nothing forces him to spend what they do appropriate.
I think that use to be right concerning impoundment, Potsherd, but under the 1974 Congressional Budget Reform and Impoundment Control Act Presidents seeking to postpone or cancel the expenditure of appropriated funds must follow certain procedures. Postponement requires the chief executive to lay a specific deferral proposal before Congress which may be rejected by a resolution of either the House or the Senate. Cancellation of appropriations, on the other hand, requires the President to submit a ‘rescission’ proposal which is subject to approval by both houses. If Congress chooses not to act on such a proposal within forty-five days the executive is obliged to release the funds.
That act was passed because Nixin was impounding appropriated funds
for line items he didn’t like. It looks now like congress has way more foreign policy power via the appropriations committee then our commander in chief.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Were AIPAC’s spying activities fully exposed Congress would be forced to back away from them.
How do traditional American values meld with very real US interests in the Middle East?
link to counterpunch.org
From the counter punch article Citizen cited:
The best way for America to achieve its goals would be to seek a definitive end to Israel’s occupation and other human rights violations; to itself get out of the occupation business with its attendant violations; and, to scale back its global military presence.
Many in the region remember a time when U.S. embassies were small, attractive and easily accessible places and U.S. influence was exercised through cultural centers and institutes of higher learning. It is time to roll back. For America abroad, less is more. Much more.
If only…
Citizen, are you aware that Donald Rumsfeld wrote one of the first objections to the US government’s demand that the Jewish lobby register as a foreign agent? He was a US Rep from Chicago area iirc, back in the 1950s.
No, thanks for the info on Rummy, PG. Here’s more on Rummy:
link to tomdispatch.com
The bottom line is that at long last, these discussions are being held. In public. There is simply no going back.
Exactly.
Once the debate goes mainstream its curtains.
Teabaggers
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Toothpaste stuffers
linkage is ironclad – the strategy was clearly decided upon during the let’s set Afghanistan troop levels meetings held for weeks among all the principal decision-makers … US military has now made the calculation and set as policy that israel in its current form is a liability to US security – until we rehabilitate israel into a form that suits US interests it’s free ride is over … despite the placement of their operatives within the Pentagon and all other areas related to our military and war-making establishment, it is still loyal Americans who call the shots at the Pentagon and our military trumps Congress – they (zionist operatives for israel) will go down kicking and screaming but they will be wrested from positions of control … it is in the US interest – and now set as policy: that a comprehensive peace deal in the I/P situation be realized that settles most of the issues – and with that much of the anti-US hatred fomented by US support of israeli serial war-crimes will simply evaporate
the irony is that our tough love is the best thing for jews generally – to illustrate that for many blind support of zionism had caused much trouble and danger and only by being compelled into a comprehensive peace deal will safety and success and survival be assured – we’re doing israel a favor, and this time it’s out of necessity
There is a rational for the concept of “conflict of interest.” It’s used all the time very legitimately.
“it is still loyal Americans who call the shots at the Pentagon and our military trumps Congress”
Our military has plenty, more than enough room, to oppose some of Israel’s intransigence and still be stupid, completely corrupt, and incompetent. Opposing, or appearing to oppose Israel’s intransigence is not the sine qua non by which everything else is measured.
And our military is supposed to be under civilian control.
Let me ask this, how do oyu think all of these people of AIPAC orientation got to their positions? Do you think they got there because they are clever? Or is there something else afoot? I’m just curious what the answer is going to be.
I thought so, the question that no one wants to answer because it pops the lid off of the entire systemic process in this country. The Jews just mystically appeared in positions of power, what a bunch of bullshit.
I think I missed a few of these hearings.
What was the result of the one about Iraq? What was the result of the one about Afghanistan? How about the one about China? What were the results from the one about Saudi or the tons of dictatorships the US supports?
In short, just another biased event in which Israel is going to be judged using standards even the US does not live up to.
eee,
oh so you got the USA into trouble in Iraq and now mocking them? How disgraceful these Israelis are!
eee, Was USS liberty a Saudi or Chinese manœuvre? The world has to deal with the cancer of the Middle east, its getting crazy and need some control.
Who is going to control it the French? You can’t even control your own country. You can’t expect America to bail you out and rebuild your sorry country again.
Julian, you know there are some meds for hallucinations you should try them.
Julian why are you so angry with French? is this because for once we refused to follow your Zionist Masters in the Iraqi fiasco?
Julian should be happy with the French ever since they elected the Zionist Sarkoszy to spite the Muslims.
Exactly potsherd! Zionists are very Islamophobic!
And you are Anti-Semitic
an anti-semitic Jew, UNIX? how come?
Because you promote the ethnic cleansing of Jews from their land.
man did you get your medics today? oh my gosh !!
Do you or do you not support expelling Jews from Jerusalem and Hebron?
“Do you or do you not support expelling Jews from Jerusalem and Hebron?”
Only those living in Arab homes and illegally. Of course, they could stay if they became Apelstinian citizens.
Then I say the inverse I say the Arabs in Hebron and Jerusalem can only stay if they swear allegiance to Israel.
Otherwise they are gone. Is that wrong to say? Let’s see, you say Jews must be brutally expelled unless they live under the sovereignty of Arabs.
I am saying the opposite. My views mirror yours, so either both of us get banned or none of us do but know this. My views are just as valid as yours, look at your own comments before you judge mine.
1) Yes all settlers back home in Europe and the US.
2) Traitors like you to be sent to prison for treason and moral support which can be considered as complicity in war crimes committed by Zionists in Palestine.
3) AIPAC to be dismantled.
aparisian,
Ne laissez personne s’en tirer avec injustement criant anti-sémite. signaler un abus S’il vous plaît. S’il vous plaît le faire.
Hehe Merci pour le conseil Taxi :-)
UNIX comme yonira est là pour perturber le débat, et donc il provoque.
LOL vous deux sont à la fois anti-sémites
Aparisian support the ethnic cleansing and deportation of Jews. Aparisian is an anti-semite.
aparisian,
Mais encore, ne les laissez pas sortir avec lui quand ils injustement utiliser le label laid. S’il vous plaît ne pas. Il n’est pas aider la Palestine à les laisser s’en tirer avec elle.
Désolé c’est mon français est un peu rouillé -, aah mais je profite de l’utiliser dès maintenant – ce que la musique :-)
UNIXsupport the ethnic cleansing and deportation of Atab. UNIXis an anti-semite.
Taxi,
You are not helping Palestine either by throwing the Khazar anti-semitic mythology around here.
There is no LOL in french sweetie.
I’ve just reported you and your unix friendo. as abusers. I already warned you I would do it and I did and I will again.
I urge everyone to do likewise if they feel unfairly handed this disgusting label that zionists relish throwing about.
It’s not good for jews to abuse this label. Report it soon as you see it. If you don’t, you are weakening the fight against racism both against jews and against palestinians.
HAHa Taxi ton Français est parfait. C’est déjà fait je les ai dénoncé tous les deux auprès du site pour utilisation injustifiée du libel anti-semite :-)
I am reporting you for your anti-semitic khazar slur
Since when is history mythology except of course in the minds of the indoctrinated.
Go study some european history, will ya?! The chapters that deal with the period before 1940.
aparisian,
Merci bien, mon cheri. Je vous embrasse.
Do you or do you not support expelling Jews from Jerusalem and Hebron?
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I surely do..from East Jerusalem AND from Hebron..Anyone who ever laid an eye on Hebron Nazi colonists would want them to DIE! In their sleep preferably, of course..
Now unix asshole, you have crossed the line..you have been reported..
Taxi
I a ete reporte. Il faut joindre le commentaire incrimine.. A propos, ou as tu trouve un clavier francais?
Ça y est..J’en ai trouvé un..
link to lexilogos.com
well i double reported you, so there.
you are in good company, asshole. this is the type of slime that uses this Khazar bullshit.
link to davidicke.com
well i double reported you, so there.
yonira
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Are you siding with this scum of the earth called unix, yonira? I may be mistaken but I thought you’d be much better than that sick person!
Merci bien thankgodimathiest. S’il vous plaît toujours le rapport du label anti-sémite. Toujours!
J’ai acheté mon computeur à Paris l’année dernière – il est trilingue.
you are in good company, asshole. this is the type of slime that uses this Khazar bullshit.
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I mentioned Arthur Koestler and Shlomo Sand and you chose to link to David Duke? Please explain.
The theory that all or most Ashkenazi (“European”) Jews might be descended from Khazars (rather than Semitic groups in the Middle East) dates back to the racial studies of late nineteenth century Europe, and was frequently cited to assert that most modern Jews are not descended from Israelites and/or to refute Israeli claims to Palestine. It was first publicly proposed in lecture given by the racial-theorist Ernest Renan on January 27, 1883, titled “Judaism as a Race and as Religion.”[35] It was repeated in articles in The Dearborn Independent in 1923 and 1925, and popularized by racial theorist Lothrop Stoddard in a 1926 article in the Forum titled “The Pedigree of Judah”, where he argued that Ashkenazi Jews were a mix of people, of which the Khazars were a primary element.[19][36] Stoddard’s views were “based on nineteenth and twentieth-century concepts of race, in which small variations on facial features as well as presumed accompanying character traits were deemed to pass from generation to generation, subject only to the corrupting effects of marriage with members of other groups, the result of which would lower the superior stock without raising the inferior partners.”[37] This theory was adopted by British Israelites, who saw it as a means of invalidating the claims of Jews (rather than themselves) to be the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, and was supported by early anti-Zionists.[19][36]
In 1951 Southern Methodist University professor John O. Beaty published The Iron Curtain over America, a work which claimed that “Khazar Jews” were “responsible for all of America’s — and the world’s — ills beginning with World War I”. The book repeated a number of familiar antisemitic claims, placing responsibility for U.S. involvement in World Wars I and II and the Bolshevik revolution on these Khazars, and insisting that Khazar Jews were attempting to subvert Western Christianity and establish communism throughout the world. The American millionaire J. Russell Maguire gave money towards its promotion, and it was met with enthusiasm by hate groups and the extreme right.[20][21] By the 1960s the Khazar theory had become a “firm article of faith” amongst Christian Identity groups.[19][22] In 1971 John Bagot Glubb (Glubb Pasha) also took up this theme, insisting that Palestinians were more closely related to the ancient Judeans than were Jews.
If it walks and quacks like an anti-semite…….
yonira,
From a jewish website, which to me is more reliable than yours darling:
link to khazaria.com
p.s. wild horses couldn’t drag me to a david duke site, but I guess they could you , huh?
Looser!
I find the Khazar term, as used by Taxi, as anti-semitic.
It was David Icke (definitely not any better) I was proving the point that these are the type of ppl who use this term. It was also a very popular myth used in the Dearborn Independent along with well known eugenicists of the late 19th and early 20th century.
These are the type of people and mentality that the Khazar myth is popular with, if Sands wants to put himself in the same group as David Icke, Henry Ford, and others, then yes, he’s an anti-semite too.
Why? I’m only repeating historic documents, recognized and confirmed by jewish scholars too.
If you can’t stand the heat of truth, get out of the kitchen of truth.
Otherwise it’ll boil your brains over.
yonira,
Seems to me you know more about david duke than I do.
I’m not here to change your warped mind. Keep your blinkers on if you want to, even though I really don’t think they suit you.
Khazarian history is one thing, using it as a slur is entirely different. That is what you were doing when talking to UNIX, you were trying to demean him and his family by calling them Khazars, anything less is a complete lie.
Thats why I reported you.
The theory that the majority of Ashkenazic Jews are the descendants of the non-Semitic converted Khazars was advocated by various racial theorists[18][19] and antisemitic sources[19][20][21][22] in the 20th century, especially following the publication of Arthur Koestler’s The Thirteenth Tribe. Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary,[23] and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others (particularly Arabs[24][25][26])
yonira
First, personally, I couldn’t care less if the Israeli Jews who initiated the “Jewish state” idea and project are converts (Khazars or not) . This is totally beside the point and to me it makes absolutely no difference.. No one can deny that those Zionists were, for hundreds if not more than a thousand of years, citizens of European, East European countries in addition to the US. To claim that Palestine is theirs by a religious or ethnic filiation would be akin to the Roma (Gypsies who’s origin was traced to India ) claiming India or part of it exclusively their own.
I totally agree with you Atheist, I myself could also care less. As a convert with a Christian mother, I connect with Khazarian history. But again historically its been used in anti-semitic circles as a way to demean Jews and this is what Taxi was doing.
Either way, Israel as we know it, is a reality. Thousands of Israelis have sacrificed themselves for this country, thats its legitimacy now, not the history of Askenazi Jews. (who as I do more research seems to be genetically more connected to the ME than they are to Europeans and ‘Khazars’)
“‘(who as I do more research seems to be genetically more connected to the ME than they are to Europeans and ‘Khazars’”‘
What research would that be?
“‘Despite recent genetic evidence to the contrary”‘
What recent genetic evidence might that be?
you could start here.
link to en.wikipedia.org
It was quoted from a National Academy of Sciences journal if you think Wikipedia is dubious.
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes”. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 97 (12): 6769. doi:10.1073/pnas.100115997. PMID 10801975.
How is it a slur to merely repeat the pages of khazarian history?
Naah. Sorry dear. You’re a sad and sore loser.
I doubt what I say about the jewish khazar would be considered anti-shamnti by normal people.
My problem is with fantastical claims, (religious/ethnic) to ownership of what is owned already by others.. My problem is not with the ancestry, legendary or confirmed, of those who dispossessed, destroyed and ethnic cleansed. They could even be of a divine essence, descending from the skies or heavens it makes absolutely no difference to me..Dispossession is in cause not the genealogy of the “dispossessor”(if I may)..I leave that to those with time on their hands for sophistry..
It doesn’t say anywhere that euro jews share DNA with Arab semites, whom, in case you forgot, were the original Jews, ie hailing from Ur and Arabia.
Stop embarassing yourself with this.
My parents helped unarmed Palestinians who were brutally attacked and injured by your khazar grandparents – two of them died, one of them in my father’s arms. Wanna know more, cause I got plenty tear-jerkers for you jerko.
that is a slur my friend, sorry buddy you were full of malice when you said it. This argument is boring though, it’s fun to see you backtrack and try to explain yourself as not being the bigot that you are, but i am through w/ you for the night ;)
so that implicitly proves they were Khazars? you are the one embarrassing yourself.
Either way, Israel as we know it, is a reality. Thousands of Israelis have sacrificed themselves for this country, thats its legitimacy now, not the history of Askenazi Jews.
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Well, that’s a more interesting subject for a discussion. So you think it’s enough that thousands die or sacrifice themselves for the sake of something for that thing to be become rightfully ethically, morally theirs? Are you completely aware of the implications here? Is this a an accetable way of justifying theft or robbery?
yonira,
” Thousands of Israelis have sacrificed themselves for this country, thats its legitimacy now, not the history of Askenazi Jews.”
So if Palestinians sacrificed themselves to the count of thousands+one, the ‘legitimacy’ scale should neatly tip in their favor, right?
You sure are confused dear – like a hasbara wino on a saturday night.
i am not justify anything, I am simply stating what the reality is.
link to jewishpress.com
link to aish.com
This link and the above refute the anti-semitic Khazar theory on historical and genetic grounds
yonira,
No backtracking on my part darling. I will repeat the same story, the same way, because the attackers were killing and cussing in yidish, not Arabic, not hebrew either. They were european jews, hence decendents of the khazar.
The REAL malice and evil was in the killers’ eyes, in their cussing and violent acts in ’67 – and today I find the same malice and evil in the slander and racism of their defenders.
But I did notice that now you ACCEPT that there IS such a thing as a european khazarian-jewish history. Well good for you.
Read the above links and then say that Ashkenazim are Khazars
Taxi, you anti-semitic Jew hater.
Try to use your neo-nazi re-racializing of Jew hatred on here and you will get corrected for either your sick ignorance or your purposefully anti-Jewish malice, maybe both.
a lot to remember as a 5 year old.
“http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/21499/The_Khazar_Myth_and_the_New_Anti-Semitism.html”
Doesn’t even mention Kazars. Only argues that some Jews scatttered across the globe have a genetic connection.
“http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html”
No evidence presented. Simply a propaganda screed that brings up Nazi’s, and Elder of Zion talking points.
Come on UNIX. You can do better.
Why don’t you do better shingo? Maybe David Duke and Stormfront have some links for you?
On noes! Army soldiers cussed during a war!
Thanks UNIX, the Jewish Press link is pretty damning to the Khazar myth. Straight out the Protocols, knee deep in eugenics, with a splash of utter BS!
From the Article:
Nearly every anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi website denounces Zionists and Israelis as “Khazars.” Web chat lists in which Jews defending Israel are dismissed as “Khazar usurpers” are too numerous to count.
The racialism once again in vogue holds that Jews would only have legitimate claims to the right of self-determination in their homeland if they were appropriately Semitic from a racial point of view. Palestine is part of the Semitic racial lebensraum and those who do not possess the correct pure racial markings have no business being there. Racial purity is suddenly the new basis for national rights.
Duck! Unix! Here come the guys with the butterfly nets!
Oh I remember dear, I remember much.
Besides the fact that my parents and especially my dad spoke of it for many years afterwards. It was a real trauma for him. I know he doesn’t get your sympathy and he sure ain’t asking it from you.
Hey I thought you said you’d had enough of me, but I guess my charisma is above average tonight eh?
Wfoe have NO sympathy for your Dad siding with the enemy in a time of war. He should be extradited and tried.
Your dad was an enemy of the Jewish people and so are you. What a nudnik!
i am sympathetic to anyone who needs to witness such human suffering.
i have many questions, but i’ll refrain from asking them.
Somewhere in Israel, a clock is missing its cuckoo
Yeah right yonira, your sympathy is noted but your offensive anti-semite labeling is still vehemently rejected and will continue to be reported.
To answer your unspoken question:
We were just tourists hanging out, having fun and sightseeing the holy land in ’67. My parents were not political at the time. My dad was being driven around by a palestinian driver when their car was pulled over by the IDF in Jerusalem who then proceeded to cuss in yiddish and maniacly beat the driver to death infront of my dad. He too had an IDF riffle held to his head so as not to interfere with the daylight murder. Then my dad drove the car to the dead cabbie’s house to deliver the body to his family (we’d had lunch there a couple of days prior and met them all). Subsequently my dad felt he should stay and help the dead man’s family as well as his sister’s family (they shared a house) – they’d also been beaten and critically injured by the IDF on the streets of Jerusalem.
It was the decent and right thing for my dad to do.
It’s also something not easily forgotten. For years he shared this story with anyone who’d listen. I remember his distress at the time, coupled with the bombings and sirens that went on all night for the duration of the rest of our stay – my mother sweetly explaining that they’re making a very long and important movie outside our hotel.
That’s the story in a nutshell. I spared you the gory details of the long list of injuries caused to these Palestinians, who by the way, were christian.
The above story is a radical lie.
In any case, US policy in the Middle East should change to support the Jewish right to the entire Land of Israel. These areas were liberated in the just war of 1967 and they are eternally Jewish.
I respect the soldiers that fought for Israel in 1967 and those that defend the Jewish state today.
Nobody will drive Jews off their land. Gaza was a tragedy magnified by the fact that it was Jews that did that crime of expulsion.
Disengagement two will never happen, is impossible to happen logistically. This means it won’t be the Jews that will do the expulsions if it comes down to it, it will be foreign armies supported by the likes of the radical extremist Taxi taught at a young age by his family to fight Jews .
That is utterly disgusting Taxi, I understand your father’s and your own loathing of Israel and the IDF. I can not condemn the feelings you have towards them and there is no excuse (war or otherwise) for those type of actions.
It would be nice to know that those responsible were held accountable for their crimes, but I am sure this is not the case.
“These are the type of people and mentality that the Khazar myth is popular with, if Sands wants to put himself in the same group as David Icke, Henry Ford, and others, then yes, he’s an anti-semite too.”
Anti Semites believe the Earth is round. Is that sufficient justification to return to the flat earth theory?
They were subversives, the reason the taxi driver was killed was because he belonged to a terrorist organization. They were teaming up with radical leftists to commit guerrilla acts or terrorism during the war.
The reason they had supper and meals with the Taxi drivers family was in fact to plan terrorist activities.
In any event the Khazar theory was proved wrong.
Also USA policy in Israel needs to change.
thanks yonira for taking the time to read my dad’s story without prejudice. It’s not a story I particulary enjoy telling.
“Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish …”
Is that all Jews or Serpardic Jews?
yonira,
I have a problem with Israel because of it’s systematic, covert and overt ethnic cleansing of the palestinian semites of the holy land.
My father’s story pales in comparison to most other stories revealed to us over the last 64 years.
Why did your people choose this route after the holocaust? Why, why? I just cannot fathom it.
“Also USA policy in Israel needs to change.”
Definitely. The US has indulged and pandered to Israel for too long. It’s time to get tough and stop sending those cheques.
Well put UNIX.
Yonira,
Read Mazin Qumsiyeh’s critique of that study, which seems to ignore the fact that the same haplotypes are found in Turkic populations, making the Khazar theory equally plausible. (Mazin Qumsiyeh is a former associate professor of genetics at Duke and Yale.)
Thousands of Israelis have sacrificed themselves for this country, thats its legitimacy now,
yonira – millions of Germans sacrificed themselves for their country but that never made Nazi Germany legitimate.
Again the problem is in the generalization, not the description of incidents.
It is a certainty that every community in which individuals inter-married and adopted Judaism or converted, that their proportional genetic profile got into the mix of Jewish community.
It is a FALSEHOOD to use the pejorative “Khazar” to describe a Jew.
Being a Jew is NOT primarily racial, though there is a racial path to be being a Jew, through family. But, the significance of being a Jew is in the teaching from parent to child, intimate to intimate, member of community to member of community.
You want to say that familial upbringing has nothing to do with community, then whoever is arguing upstream, way upstream.
Anonymity does not better intimacy. Intimacy is so heads and shoulders more functional individually and collectively, more progressive, as to make radical dissent laughable.
“As a convert with a Christian mother”
yonira
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You converted to Judaism? I thought you said you were not a believer!! Pardon me but what on earth compels one to convert to any religion? What’s going on here?
UNIX – did you look at the byline on this article? Are you suggesting that we take an article by that racist scumbag Steven Plaut seriously? You are having a laugh? Because if you aren’t then you too are a racist scumbag.
I used to do a lot of business in France. Spent a lot of money there. Found the people rude. Very anti American. When Marseilles became an Arab gang city I vowed never to give them another penny.
Found the people rude.
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With Israelis for sure…Doesn’t surprise me..Many say that Israeli tourists are the worst they’ve ever seen..Seriously!
“‘I used to do a lot of business in France.”‘
Which part of France? Paris, Lyon, Cannes, Brittany where?
You’re probabyl one fo those ignroamuss who doesn’t speak French of or doesn’t make an effort and then dismiises the French as rude for not kissing your feet.
Found the people rude.
Rather ironic, coming from one of the rudest people on this forum.
If memory serves, that referenced chromosomal research points toward the finding advanced that Ashkenazis originally came (especially to Germanic regions–later spreading to the East) from very remote Middle East; the males took non-Jewish wives from Europe after settling there, had them convert, and breeding subsequently was kept to the Jewish side. Apparently, there is
a male chomosome and a female chromsome that never change and cannot be inbred out of the line. I’d have to check that though and right now I don’t have the time.
Admittedly I am hesitant about the Khazar story, as I think it isn’t needed as an argument, it feels in fact counterproductive, but this caught my attention:
One ironic historical twist is that the Khazars contributed to the Cyrillic alphabet, in which Russian and some other Slovak languages are written. Saint Cyril came to Khazaria in 860 in an attempt to convert the Khazars to Christianity. Since the Hebrew of the Khazars and Greek were the main alphabets known to St. Cyril and the early Slavs, they borrowed from both.
St. Cyril didn’t invent the Cyrillic alphabet, only the earlier Glagolitic alphabet. It simply didn’t exist in his life time. Cyrillic is based on the Greek alphabet with borrowings from the Glagolitic alphabet for sounds missing in the Greek alphabet. I know of no Hebrew influence.
Admittedly I find these items highly irritating. Even while attacking the Khazar theory one has to invent a huge Jewish (Khazar) cultural influence … ironically, indeed.
yonira – so you agree with that racist scumbag Steven Plaut. Doesn’t that make you a racist too?
Yonira, I am very interested to these developments…not on the ‘genetic purity’ of the Khazars but more on their conversion…were they practising Jewish rites and ceremonies completely? as in total cultural assimilation? Or they simply assimilated completely to the Jewish community in a natural process after a long period of time? What is the stand of the institutional Jews (Religious leaders in Jerusalem) on these matters?
A Jew among Israelis? Have you not forgotten, about a million Jews were butchered by the Assyrians (Kurds) and Iraqis (Babylonians) in about 6th Century BC, just because of many Jews like you that morally and spiritually corrupted their own nation? So what if you are a Jew? if you hated even your own people, and government?
France says to julian:
Good fucking riddance – we’ve already had enough of the nazi invaaders and we don’t want your blood-stained money in our pockets either!
How about both communities live as equals in the Confederation of Israel and Palestine? Buy and sell property and live where they want to live anywhere between the river and the sea like normal people? Do you think the Hebron settlers can handle that?
The views of Richard Witty regarding the definition of a Jew is very interesting. I also agree on that…Nevertheless the definition of a Jew is going to open a very expansive and interesting debate too!
Seems to be the case that for zionists, the two most hated words in their dictionary are: Arab and Khazar.
Sure does press some psycho buttons in them.
Wow, I wish I could be stupid in more than one language!
“I find the Khazar term, as used by Taxi, as anti-semitic.”
Goodey for you! Patsh zich in tuchis und schrei “hooray”
“I totally agree with you Atheist, I myself could also care less. As a convert with a Christian mother”
As a convert with a Christian mother? Jeez, you aren’t even a real Jew! Why the hell weren’t you honest about this from the beginning. Look, I don’t mind a guy who’s out for the main chance, and wants to get in with the richest, smartest people and get a piece of the pie, but you should have been honest about it. If I had known that was the case I would have just said, “best of luck, pal” and been on my way.
Wow, not even a real Jew! No wonder our customs and traditions mean nothing to you! Oh well, just another subverter. We’ve survived the Khazars, and we’ll survive you. I just feel bad for your children. They have the right to know they are not really Jews, and could never be so!
I know, yonira, you’re right. That’s why I find those phony I-was-a-child-of-the-concentration-camps so dumb. So you ended up in a camp, look you were out of school, it’s like a vacation! So you had to seel your little Jewish butt to stay alive, feh, you were just five years old, you’ll forget about it, besides, you probably liked it.
zamaaz, you are unbelievably stupid.
“a million Jews were butchered by the Assyrians (Kurds) and Iraqis (Babylonians) in about 6th Century BC” ?!?
Where do you get this poppycock? A million Jews? A million Jews would make their population greater than the Egyptians. The entire world population at that time was estimated at 5 million.
And just for your continuing history lesson, the 6th C BC is when Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon and any Jews in exile were allowed to go back to Palestine and return to being the shepherds they were.
Is this what the Fundie Christians are putting out as fact? Lord Almighty.
Well, UNIX, now you can add Russian archaeologists to that scurrilous list of racial theorists and anti-semites. And Jewish archaeologists, no less.
Sure I will MRW,
Anyone who uses the Khazar claim is an anti-semite .
So, let’s see–what’s going on is the only two occupying powers in the
world strategic Middle East, the US and Israel, are having a small conflict of interest between themselves?
And, the I-P conflict heads further into eternal conflict, and that means what? Whole area will go to war?
link to telegraph.co.uk
Isn’t it interesting how eee demands the world stay out of it’s affairs until it starts a war, and then demands the world, and the US in particular, stand with it, give it diplimatic protection?
The last time Israel started a war with Lebanon, not only did the US send smegency shipments of bombs, butit even picked up the 2 billion dollar bill, including paying for repairs.
eee will be demanding the sane when Israel starts the next war, but when the US asks for something in return, he will go back to inisisting that the US mind it’s own business and clean up it’s own mess.
I wonder how eee feels about Israeli demands for the world to impose tough sanctions on Iran?
>I think I missed a few of these hearings…just another biased
>event in which Israel is going to be judged using standards
>even the US does not live up to.
You seem to suggest that a proper defense for a murderer on
trial is to claim that someone who murdered even more
people, is still at large.
Good point, Sasha.
I would also like to add that unlike the United States’ involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan or other neighboring countries, none of these “occupations” have lasted as long as 40 or 60 years. And, certainly, in none of the cases did the US seek to expel, remove, ethnically cleanse or colonize the countries in question.
Israel, however, has done that and more.
The fundamental difference to take from this is that while United States is an imperial power, Israel is a colonizing power. Empires rise and fall, but colonies are there to stay – see S. Africa.
The fundamental difference to take from this is that while United States is an imperial power, Israel is a colonizing power. Empires rise and fall, but colonies are there to stay – see S. Africa.
Well said Avi.
Avi – what the fuck are you on dude? South Africa as an example of a suriving colony? Are you smoking those damn banana skins again?
BTW, yonira, eee and Dick Witty – isn’t it time you started rebuilding the national reserves of spermatozoa, you know, get out the ol’mason jars and start beating the meat a bit ‘cos otherwise you are going to lose the only war that matters to you, the demographic one with the Palestinians. It is your patriotic duty to become wankers!
I believe in a two state solution, no need for a demographic war. Nice to know what a bi-national state would look like though, demographics would allow the majority to kick out the minority.
People like you are why I don’t believe in a binational state.
”Nice to know what a bi-national state would look like though, demographics would allow the majority to kick out the minority.”
As opposed to the status quo, which lead to the creatino of the Staet of Israel.
Thank you, James.
After having first invaded and occupied the region, European colonizers started moving their civilians from Europe to colonize the land in South Africa. Ergo, Apartheid South Africa came about as a result of European colonialism setting up a segregated and racist system. Had Europeans not colonized S. Africa, Apartheid would not have taken hold there, and there would be no Europeans in S. Africa.
Incidentally, the United States is a surviving colony, as well, hence the first 13 colonies. The difference is that the US is a surviving colony of Britain.
I am not happy w/ the status quo, r u Shingo?
“‘I am not happy w/ the status quo, r u Shingo? “‘
You are opposed to the state of Israel Yonira and it’s creation?
I am unhappy w/ the occupation.
“‘I am unhappy w/ the occupation. “‘
But perfectly happy with the status quo.
how do you figure Shingo? please explain your logic.
You refuse to let Palestinians driven off by Zionist militarism to come home.
If that doesn’t say “status quo,” nothing does.
And you insist on “driving off” Jews from Hebron
One step ahead of the bulldozers. If they step lively.
In the same manner that hostage takers are taken into custody after they are arrested (without incident).
None of the colonial settlers in Hebron legally purchased the homes which they currently inhabit. Every single house was taken over by force, harassment and intimidation. It all happened under the watchful eyes of Israeli army soldiers who stood by and did nothing. Their job in Hebron remains the protection of colonial settlers, which they perform quite well, in the same manner that body guards protect mob bosses.
“One step ahead of the bulldozers. If they step lively” This person promotes ethnic cleansing.
Again we see anti-semitic imagery, if Jews don’t run in terror from the bulldozers that come to destroy their property they will be crushed to death. Common on this website .
It’s Iatael that have a reputation of using bulldozers to destroy homes and kill people UNIX. Stop projecting.
I am unhappy w/ the occupation.
yonira
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Spending more time ridiculing the critics of Israeli occupation than denouncing it sounds illogical, if not unethical, immoral, to me. …Occupation is causing a lot of suffering and misery..What are you waiting for Yonira? More death and destruction, more ethnic cleansing and deportation, before you get your priorities right?
Interesting that you see yourself as the protector against ethnic cleansing yet espouse beliefs in support of just that when it comes to Jews.
Where does he mention ethnic cleansing UNIX?
Ask him if he supports the expulsion of Jews from Jerusalem and Hebron.
Shingo on yorina: “‘I am unhappy w/ the occupation. “‘
But perfectly happy with the status quo.”
Indeed, yonira wrote earlier, above: “Either way, Israel as we know it, is a reality. Thousands of Israelis have sacrificed themselves for this country, thats its legitimacy now [...]“. No holdbacks here, yon.
UNIX ♥ Steve Plaut.
Reality is that it’s the Israelis who use giant heavy bulldozers against Palestininan homes. Israel gets them for free from US government, courtesy of US taxpayers. This was the judicial basis for not hearing the appeal of the Corrie Family case against Caterpiller: the political question doctrine dished out in all its glory.
“And you insist on “driving off” Jews from Hebron”
You’re taking as if the settlers in Hebron have some legal right to be there. They don’t and their departure isn’t ethnic cleansing.
Anyway Fayyad has said he’s fine with jews staying in Palestine state if they wish to become Palestinian citizens – and that they’d be treated “no worse” than Palestinian citizens of Israel – a smart idea to tie the two issues together, though I think in execution Palestine has to lead by example not emulate Israel’s toxic policies.
I am sorry, but I am pleased with the reoccupation.
How about just cutting off their US taxpayer funded welfare checks?
“Again we see anti-semitic imagery,”
So nue so sue!
UNIX, We Jews are supposed to be afraid of anti-Semitism, so afraid we are even reluctant to recognise it.
You aren’t very convincing when you start screaming “I’m gonna tell on you, anti-Semites”. It almost sounds (almost?) like you expect authourities to weigh in on your side, and arrest the anti-Semites.
Sort of shoots the need for Israel in the old foot, wouldn’t you say?
The Khazar slur is anti-semitic any way you slice it.
This website subscribes to a strange sort of eugenics mixed with replacement theology, Jews are not Jews because they are Khazars, Arabs are not Arabs because they were really Jews.
So strange.
“BTW, yonira, eee and Dick Witty – isn’t it time you started rebuilding the national reserves of spermatozoa….”
Don’t waste your time, braciole. I submitted a detailed plan to the Israeli regime “De-fusing the Palestinian Demographic Time Bomb, or, Strength through Joy” but did I get the slightest official acknowledgement? No!
When the Palestinian Demographic Time Bomb explodes, the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of the closed thighs of Israeli women! And if all Israeli women were laid end to end, well, that was my plan, actually!
The above comment is disgusting and should be reported.
UNIX probably is Steve Platt who has visited this site under various pseudonyms.
Plaut, not Platt…sorry.
Steve Plaut is a great guy, love his work.
Funny how the character of one’s nation is dependent on the behaviour of other nations. I’m a gainfully-employed, honest, law-abiding, taxpaying citizen (“the only democracy in the Middle East”, if you will), so perhaps I should be allowed to commit murder without consequence because, hey, other people are allowed to get away with it.
Not good enough? Let me flip through my “book of faith” – I’m sure I can find some passage from “god” to condone my actions…
Good! do that and see for your self if you can find one…
USA Policy in Israel does not uphold USA values because
1) It promotes ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jerusalem, Hebron and other places.
2) It breaks the law by ignoring house resolutions to relocate US embassy to Jerusalem.
3) It keeps Jonathan Pollard inprisoned unfairly
4) It attempts to equate arab terrorism with legitimate zionism and growth
5) It seeks to placate Arabs and terrorists at the expense of Jews.
So you think we here in America are enemies of Israel too?
In the name of chicken soup, have you got any friends left in the world?
No? Why not?
I simply do not agree with current American foreign policy in the middle east and I am stating why. That is what this post is about.
“I simply do not agree with current American foreign policy in the middle east and I am stating why. That is what this post is about.”
So you must be opposed to US spport for Israel?
Incorrect, please reread my above point before jumping to that conclusion.
I have read your points and you conclusion stipulates that US suport for Israel is immoral by virtue fo the fact that US support for Israel is at the core of US ME policy.
1) It promotes ethnic cleansing of Arabs from Jerusalem, the West Bank and other places.
2) US law stipulaes that embassies are to be located in the captials of nations. Jerusalem si not Israle’s capital.
3) Jonathan Pollard cimmited treason and vioated US national security. Israel were far more brutal to Mordachai Vanunu.
4) There is no such thing as legitimate zionism and growth
5) The Us has always placated Israel and terrorists at the expense of Arabs
1) The only people anyone is talking about ethnically cleansing are Jews.
2) Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for ever and ever.
3) Free Pollard! He is unjustly inprisoned.
4) Zionism is the most legitimate movement in the world and will continue to grow apace.
6) The USA is placating Arabs at the Expense of Israel
1) The only people anyone is ethnically cleansing are Arabs.
2) Jerusalem has never been the capital of Israel.
3) Pollard is a traitor.
6) The USA is placating Israel at the Expense of Palestinians. After all, the US is giving all the money, wepoans and diplomatic support to Israel.
As you said earlier, US policy towards israel is flawed and must end.
1) The only people anyone is talking about ethnically cleansing are Jews.
2) Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for ever and ever.
3) Free Pollard! He is unjustly inprisoned.
4) Zionism is the most legitimate movement in the world and will continue to grow apace.
6) The USA is placating Arabs at the Expense of Israel
1) The only people anyone is ethnically cleansing are Arabs.
2) Jerusalem has never been the capital of Israel.
3) Pollard is a traitor.
4) Zinism is a sickness and apartheid.
6) The USA is placating Israel at the Expense of Palestinians. After all, the US is giving all the money, wepoans and diplomatic support to Israel.
But as you said earlier, US policy towards israel is flawed and must end. Iagree with you 100% UNIX.
1) The only people anyone is talking about ethnically cleansing are Jews.
2) Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for ever and ever.
3) Free Pollard! He is unjustly inprisoned.
4) Zionism is the most legitimate movement in the world and will continue to grow apace.
6) The US is placating Arabs at the Expense of Israel
Meshiggener, herub fun dach!
“4) Zionism is the most legitimate movement in the world and will continue to grow apace.”
What’s your metric UNIX?
UNIX ♥ Steve Plaut
oh boo hoo UNIX!
1. the presence of settlers in the OPTs is criminal, their departure is the corrective.
2. no number of bought politicians can overcome the fact that the OPTs are occupied and EJ annexation is illegal
3. Israel is holding ~300 Palestinians without charge or trial and you have your knickers in a knot over a spy. What part of “sentenced to life” did you miss? At least the prick got a trial.
4. “terrorism” is almost always meaningless word used by colonials to put down resistance. end of story.
5. Law, law, law – what’s your problem with the rule of law? Is it time for Israel to withdraw from the UN?
1) You can’t be ethnically cleansed when your own country removes you from illegal settlments.
2) tel Aviv is the capital of Israel.
3) Pollard’s actions kileld people. He deserves to remain where he is.
4) Zionism is dying.
6) The US provides Israel with the largest support and aid in the world, which is indeed flawed policy.
I’m glad we agree.
Hey, Obama has nothing to do with Pollard being in jail.
The terrorist pollard stole over 800,000 national security documents, amounting to over one million secrets, sold some to china, gave the rest for free to israel.
Imagine if an Arab had done that. He’d be hanging from a tree with crows pecking out his eyeballs and liver.
Oh I see but Anat Kam should be set free? Interesting
“‘Oh I see but Anat Kam should be set free? Interesting “‘
The information thatAnat Kam pased on to the media was approved by Shin Bet.
So your question should be, should Shin Bet be dismantled and it’s employees sent to prison?
A little extreme but why not?
Anat stole documents that show crimes within the system were committed. She didn’t sell or profit from them either.
Anat Kam is the one that should be executed, Pollard should be set free. You have is backwards.
Jam was given the documents by a Shon Bet employee.
The story was approved by Shon Bet. You’re derranged and deluded.
Unix,
Dream on baby.
She’s a Jew, she deserves a parade in her honor. Everything a Jew does is noble and righteous, no?
Why are you persecuting this righteous Jew, you ANTI-SEMITE.
Unix loves Steve Plaut
UNIX is a christian zionist – of the intellectually-challenged, bible-thumping variety (well, most have issues in that department – -)
Here just waiting for the sound of the hoofs and the coming apocalypse – probably figures it’s as good a place to wait out till the end of times as any. Got zamaaz for company and julian and yonira as fellow light travelers.
Of course, not being jewish is not a crime, neither is flanking the jouste. Serving as one of an armada of mosquitos for god gives, however, quite a buzz. Whose turn is it, anyways, to do the swatting? maybe we should put up a weekly chore list for Mondoweiss?
LOL, you repeated that lie again? almost verbatim. Am I hallucinating?
Pollard is a piece of shit traitor but there is no need lie about the extent and selling that to the Chinese is laughable.
yonira,
Too many links to choose from regarding pollard and china. Just google: ‘Jonathan pollard sold usa defense secets to china’.
Then take a pick of the 431, 000 sites to read from.
You look like a fool when you laugh off stuff you never bothered to research for yourself in the first place.
I read Seymour Hersh’s article on Pollard earlier today. The extent of his treason is truly shocking. I find it baffling that American Jewish institutions like CPMJO continue to lobby on his behalf.
Collin,
For all the bickering that goes on within all usa intelligence services, one theme unites them all: Jonathan Pollard.
>> 2) Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for ever and ever.
“for ever and ever” – that’s so cute! :-)
>> 4) Zionism is the most legitimate movement in the world …
“How do you know it is the most legitimate?”
“Because.”
“Because…what?”
“Because because.”
“Ah. Well, perhaps you could be just a little more precise…”
“Zionism is the most legitimate movement in the world because for ever and ever!!!”
I disagree with you eljay.
From Elie Wiesel:
“For me, the Jew that I am, Jerusalem is above politics. It is mentioned more than six hundred times in Scripture — and not a single time in the Koran. Its presence in Jewish history is overwhelming. There is no more moving prayer in Jewish history than the one expressing our yearning to return to Jerusalem. To many theologians, it IS Jewish history, to many poets, a source of inspiration. It belongs to the Jewish people and is much more than a city, it is what binds one Jew to another in a way that remains hard to explain. When a Jew visits Jerusalem for the first time, it is not the first time; it is a homecoming. The first song I heard was my mother’s lullaby about and for Jerusalem. Its sadness and its joy are part of our collective memory.”
Jerusalem might be above politics, but it’s not above international law. Wiesel is suggesting that Israel should neglect international law, thus admitting that Israel is a criminal state.
In that regard, Wiesel is correct.
Wiesel: “… to return to Jerusalem”
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How is that for Khazar?
Anyway, did you hear. The community of Former Disneyland Visitors is claiming southern California. And they are embracing would-be visitors too.
UNIX loves Steven Plaut
To the Christians, Jerusalem as the city of the Jews is the will of God…
I’m adding some violin to the old man’s hallucinations.
I’m adding some violin to the old man’s hallucinations.
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Very kind of you Taxi but unfortunately we have to take him back indoors. It’s getting rather cold in here…Nuuurse!
Why are you mocking Elie Wiesel for being old? He deserves to be old after what he has been through! You people are really sick.
Ha ha! I told you guys it’s time to bring UNIX back in..He’s mistaking himself for the Weasel now.
Seriously now, this site is becoming tediously boring now. With shits like unix it can only go down hill.
Sad.
And with people like you mocking Wiesel’s age this website will remain a forum for anti-semites.
That’s because people insist on paying attention to them, which is what they want. Feeding the trolls.
Your eyes don’t want to see that ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jerusalem is wrong. For how much longer can you avoid the immorality of your views?
Call us trolls, just don’t call yourself moral when you look in the mirror.
You can’t accuse people of supporting policies that don’t exist, while you support policies that do.
No seriously now. Is UNIX for real or he’s just profoundly retarded?
“retarded” is not a politically correct term.
UNIX,
Whaddaya mean ” He deserves to be old …”?
LOL! I’m laughing too much to write anything worthy after a comment like that.
““retarded” is not a politically correct term.”
Nor is apartheid, but they both hsppen to be true.
“retarded” is not a politically correct term.
The retard
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Not politically . CLINICALLY..
Either way you shouldnt use racist or offensive terms.
Either way you shouldnt use racist or offensive terms.
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I don’t care. You’re profoundly retarded..
انت واحد جحش
personal attacks won’t win you legitimacy
“retarded” is not a politically correct term.”
The UNIQUELY retarded
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Ok, here:
You are incredibly unintelligent…
personal attacks won’t win you legitimacy
That’s why no one takes you seriously after you call almost everyone here anti-semite.
UNIX ♥ Steven Plaut
Unix hearts Yitzhar settler fascists:
UNIX – Neither should you quote racist scumbags like Steven Plaut!
I love Steven Plaut, and the truth is most of you ARE anti-semites.
>> I disagree with you eljay.
>> From Elie Wiesel:
Covered that one already:
link to mondoweiss.net
Taxi,
Your story est un tas de merde. I don’t believe a word of it. So this is your sorry excuse for your hatred? You hate an entire country and its people because of something that you supposedly witnessed as a 5 year old ? I don’t think they were too many tourists in 1967 in Jerusalem. Your story does not add up.
The only people of army age who speak yiddish in Israel are the Ultra Orthodox and they don’t serve in the IDF. And non Haredi Yiddish speakers are probably in their 90′s. Besides, tons of people speak Arabic in the IDF and those soldiers are likely to be posted in border areas or in East Jerusalem. This BS story about Yiddish is to prove your Kazhar theory and nothing else. You think Palestinians are pure? Don’t you know that the Ottomans forcibly moved people around when they rebelled against their rule. Never mind all the invaders that come and went and mingled with the local population. Do you know that many Palestinians are light skinned , lighter even than some Ashkenazim? The Middle East is a big genetic melting pot. Khazar, Shmazar! What does that even mean? What a ridiculous thing to call somebody you don’t agree with. Unix could Persian for all you know. And by the way I am Sephardic and I don’t consider myself a “purer” Jew than an Ashkenazi Jew. A jew is somebody who wants to define himself/herself as such. It is not up to you to decide who can belong or not to the tribe.
Calling someone a Khazar is like some kind of school yard taunt. And you call yourself progressive? I am afraid, you are just a good old fashioned bigot. See I am staying away from the anti-shmanti label as you call it but all your posts reek of it. I don’t know why Phil is keeping you around. You deserve the same tratment as Rehmat.
P.S. Ton Francais est epouvantable! Absolument atroce.
I applaud the above and correct statements by Ruth.
UNIX “hearts” Steve Plaut
“‘I applaud the above and correct statements by Ruth. “‘
But you disagree with her definition of a Jew. It was you who said that Jews who intermarry are no longer Jews.
Any land based on a religion based on religion is totally ludicrous, and any claim after the common secular law and acknowledgment of ownership by such a group should be rejected pell mell – without discussion. A religious claim is spurious and subject to these present issues at hand today.
Connecting ownership by some “bloodline” is no different than the era of royalty and the attended abuses, and claiming such a bloodline in this instance is quite frankly laughable and skewed science for the purpose of theft. It is just as invalid as colonial enterprises today in the light of law among nations – totally unacceptable.
As for “UNIX,” do you want me to verbally kick your fetid ass like I did when you appeared under a different moniker elsewhere Swedumb? I don’t know why they would let a laughable and racist character like you on this site, just keep it up and you will eventually hang yourself like you have done on numerous sites in the past.
VR, for better or worse, Phil Weiss has said, more than once, that he will not police the comments section.
The “abuse” button does not go to a bat-phone by Phil’s bedside, but goes to the comment hoster. Use it!
P.S. Ton Francais est epouvantable! Absolument atroce.
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Et ça prouve quoi au juste a part le fait que le Français n’est pas sa langue maternelle?
Imbeçile!
thankgodimatheist,
C’ est vrai ce que vous dites!
Je suis TOUJOURS dans le vrai! :0)
ruth,
LOL you trying to tell us that the IDF in ’67 was made up of nothing but arab jews who only spoke arabic? We all know that when yiddish people are angry, they swear in yiddish dear. When arabs are angry, they swear in arabic, when americans are angry, they swear in… you know the rest pussycat. And contrary to what you say about tourism in ’67, there were plenty tourists alright everywhere we went so STFU with that irrational deduction would ya?! And even if there were only a handfull of tourists, couldn’t my family have been some of them few visitors? What the hell missy? Your hissy fit is desperate and irrational to say the least.
I already explained above why I detest the state of Israel.
Also, I’ve never called myself progressive – keep guessing what I am.
p.s if you really knew french, you would have read that aparisian, you know, a real french person, praised my french – so dear ruth, again: Je ne regrette rien que j’ai dit au sujet de l’israel :-)
p.p.s. do you guys work in shifts or something – like one of you goes to bed but not before calling the hasbara help-line and arranging a fill-in? Sure seems to be the case. Ah well, anyway good night zionists. Sweet dreams to you all and may you rise tomorrow nice and rebooted.
When you are angry, racist, abusive, we should just accept that?
When you are racist, biggoted, hypocritical and espouse vile ideols, we should just accept that Witty?
Human rights abuses and Jom Crow ideologies do not become acceptable simply becasue you frame them in polite coversation.
I oppose Jim Crow if you haven’t noticed.
I support Israeli defense, including defense against suicide bombers, rocket fire, shelling, abductions.
No Jim Crowesque rule of law in Israel, right Witty? No comparison at all? Tutu disagrees, but what does he know?
Surprisingly, you haven’t read my posts, only your own self-talk caricature.
I oppose the features of Israeli law and administration that are prejudicial.
What about equal due process under the law applied in a color-blind manner do you not understand?
Yes, I do. I understand very well, thank you. You are the proverbial ice cream cone licking itself. Equal process under the law is one thing, as written and actually applied in the US; something very different in Israel. You don’t oppose all features of Israeli law that are prejudicial to all non-Jews. I will merely mention a couple obvious ones: ROR, right to serve in the IDF, which has many social and economic benefits attached to it; the Israeli web of discrimination on the basis of race/ethnic birth in much of its particulars has been the subject of many past posts and threads on this blog. No need to insult and patronize me, Mr Moderation.
Richard, what the hell does it matter what you oppose? Okay, as I and Richard Hammerstein III agree, you’re a wonderful guy!
But why do you think we can’t criticise Israel for anything you claim to oppose? And oh, BTW, your wonderful Yoga-Zionism synthesis might have more influence on Israel if you lived there.
Oh, have I called you an asshole yet? No? Ho-kay- you’re an asshole.
Ruth: You think Palestinians are pure?
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The point is, and quite a long time actually Ruth, that descending from historical tribes in ancient Palestine is a base for Jewish claims on Israel, and for a right to “return” to Israel. When such a line is not existent, like for Khazars, then you loose. Now don’t shoot the messenger (step #2), and do not introduce the “they too”-hasbare trick (step #3). We’ve seen that coming.
Ruth,
I think you should stop using google translation because “Ton Francais est epouvantable! Absoulment atroce ” is absolutely crap unlike English we don’t say this, so next time il faut bien balayer devant sa porte avant de critiquer les autres
“A jew is somebody who wants to define himself/herself as such.”
The problem is that it seems every Zionist Jew has a different idea of what it means to be a Jew.
You tink it is based on how on defines themselves. Witty thinks it’s based on race. UNIX thinks that anyone born from a mixed marriage ceases to be one.
My guess is that simply declaring oneself a jew isn’t the end of it. It depends on what definition is being used; that always implies whether or not one’s own self-definition is recognized by whatever authority comes into play, whether that was, e.g., Nazi Germany’s, or Israel’s various governmental and religious authorities today, and elsewhere. As Witty says, family tree is one avenue, a very traditional one–this avenue seems analogous to how the Japanese decide if you are indeed Japanese. Each “real” Japanese has a family identity rooted in the biological family tree–if memory serves, it is enclosed in a circle, and the family members each have a rubber-stamp of it, used as an official signature recongnized by the Japanese administrators.
As to the religious angle, compare anyone suddenly declaring he or she is a “born again christian,” and anyone suddenly declaring he or she is “a jew.” Depending on the religion, and the various sects within any given religion, one has to jump through hoops, with some, maybe only a hoop or two–extending along a line, way up to one having to jump through so many hoops they seem to endlessly reproduce.
My guess is that simply declaring oneself a jew isn’t the end of it.
And you would be wrong, Citizen. Anybody can declare themselves a Jew, or not a Jew, and nobody can say shit. No records are kept, no master list of the master race exists. Anybody can say, “I’m a Jew” walk into a Temple, and start schmoozing, if they think it will be to their advantage.
If you haven’t got the lingo and the buzzwords down, well then, just say you are “half-Jewish” (had a Jewish Mother, and a Gentile Father who prevented you from learning how to say “ch” the right way, and wing it.
Not that I have any objection to non-Jews pretending to be Jewish, or half-Jewish! Such naches I get from it!
And there’s another point here, Citizen. An important one. So we Jews were supposed to have persecuted, kicked from pillar to post, killed wholesale, right? But through it all we kept meticulous world-wide records on Jewish geneaologies? I sorta doubt it.
Fact is, nobody really knows who is Jewish and exactly what a Jew is, and since Judaism is not credal, it makes it even more confusing.
Not much of a basis for a country, if you ask me.
“As Witty says, family tree is one avenue,”
Gosh, he better have an avuncular talk with Yonira, before Yonira makes a terrible mistake and let’s his dick fool him.
Judaism descends through the mother, m-o-t-h-e-r, not the motherfucker, and it’s time Yonira got it through his thick head.
On the other hand, what choice does he have? I’m sure the Native Americans don’t want him!
Dieumercijesuisuncon
Pas de c cedille a imbecile!
Parisien,
Le français est ma langue maternelle!!!!
Le français est ma langue maternelle!!!!
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Ça n’a jamais empeché quelqu’un d’etre un con, ou une connasse. La preuve!
“Ton Francais est epouvantable!”
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Puisque tu es aussi mesquine, pas de capital F a français, très chère..
Et toc!
Taxi: “LOL you trying to tell us that the IDF in ‘67 was made up of nothing but arab jews who only spoke arabic? We all know that when yiddish people are angry, they swear in yiddish dear. When arabs are angry, they swear in arabic, when americans are angry, they swear in..”.
No numbskull, I was thinking about Druze people who serve in the IDF. Jews from Arab lands speak local Judeo-Arabic dialects that are totally different from Palestinian Arabic. Heck a Muslim Tunisian can hardly understand a Muslim Lebanese unless they have both been schooled in Standard Modern Arabic. Let’s face it you, have no idea of what you are talking about. Stick to what you do best, insulting people and inventing tall tales.
You strike me as one those haters who is not very successful -after all, you drive a cab which is a job reseved for immigrants here in Toronto- so you are taking in out on jooos, pardon me zionists.
PS. Your French is still crap. Stick to D.Dukitis. Ciao!
ruth,
The first LOL: yiddish is spoken by euro jews, you can’t argue this.
Second LOL: I don’t drive a cab – and if I did there’d be nothing wrong with it snobo!
Sheesh I can’t believe that after telling my story, the penny hasn’t dropped as to why I call myslf ‘Taxi’.
p.s. I didn’t know that French was the official khazarian language – wow you learn so much new and twisted stuff on mondo.
I disagree with the anti-semitic khazar slur and it should end immediately.
Wow, this site has become jammed with trolls. Too bad, there used to be an educational bent to the comments. Sorry to see.
jimby – you could land a hand to do some swatting. We take turns, you know…..
Ah, are we to be censors then. “report abuse” >usual inanity ……. senseless twaddle and hope they smarten up or go away. Do the adults then remind us to behave? I’m all for it.
Congratulations to anyone who’s made it this far down the thread!
jimby’s got a point, so does Danaa.
Taxi, I have been avoiding Mondoweiss lately. You know why? Oh, thanks for asking! I’ll tell you why: it makes me smug, always a bad thing. Wow, I look at eee, yoni, Julian, Witty (what a Dad!) and think: I had the smarts to reject Zionism.
And that’s not a good thing, because no-one should be smug about achieving a minimum level of human decency. It’s an obligation, not an achievement. Why, I might almost say it’s a Mitzvah!
Don’t avoid us Mooser, we miss you when you’re not around. Just come over in a black sleeveless t-shirt and muck-in. Sometimes there’s no other way of getting a point across except to wrap it in a ball of mud. I used to have a weak apetite for this kind of anti-intellectual activity, but lately, I dunno, it seem unavoidable as you can never reason with a zionist. It’s like they’re not interested in making friends and changing minds, but bullying you into accepting a set of non-factual beliefs.
Hey I visited your website the other day cause I couldn’t see you anywhere here – and a lovely jubbly site it is. I’d love to meet you if you ever come to cali-for-ni-ay. I’d love to also correspond directly and privately with some of the posters here but I got no one’s email address and mondo doesn’t provide such access either.
I too would miss my encounters with your ideas and your robust (but humane) style.
I too would like to meet some of those who take part in this discussion face to face, though if Phil thought of organising a conference I might have one of the longer journeys.
There is nothing robust nor humane about advocating the ethnic cleansing of Jews.
I have a website? I did not know this! Got a link?
UNIX: Shut up, fool!
Mooser,
DON’T SILENCE ME!
If you support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Jewish land I will be the voice of morality to constantly remind you of your immorality.
Mooser,
Oh fuck you don’t have a website/blog?
Did I take a wrong left-turn to: link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com
Isn’t it yours? DO TELL!
Heck no, not mine, although I can’t say I’m not very flattered to be mistaken for the wonderful Gabriel Ash! Also, I think very highly of JSF. You might notice the small number of comments there. Mark Elf, who does monitor the comment section, and runs the blog, does not tolerate liars, time-wasters, or bigots. He engages them, warns ‘em, and if they persist, they get 86′ed.
He could use more commenters like you, Taxi.
JSF originates in London.
Gosh, mistaken for Gabriel Ash and Mark Elf, makes my day! But they are much more serious, very well informed, and have much more dedication than me, or I for that matter, and it does matter.
Me, I’m just a guy who thanks God every day I didn’t fall for Zionism when I was a vulnerable adolescent. Not even the possibility of getting laid at a kibbutz or handling an automatic weapon could hook me in. Not once I saw the shorts and sandals! And they danced in a circle, arm in arm, singing Hebrew “volk” songs!! When I saw that, I thought I had glimpsed the very bottom circle of hell! Plus, I heard they woke you up at seven o’clock at a kibbutz. Excuse me while I repress a shudder.
Put a sock in it, UNIX.
In fact, Mooser, I would prefer that you and your anti-semitic buddies would put “socks” in it.
Okay Mooser, thanx for your clarification. Yet I’m still a little disoriented by that wierd unintended left-turn: Did you write the article titled: How to Make the Case for Israel and Win? And is the poster on JSF under the name of Mooser, your good self?
Yeah it’s all cool, I just might sign myself in one of these days – problem is time: mondo already takes up several hours a day (which I love).
p.s. Tomorrow I’m going camping for a week – no electricity, no frigging computer – no bad news in your face – just the birds, the trees and the wild heathery hills of northern california – phew!
I’ll be back in a week all springy and sprinty – in the meantime, watch out for yourselves mono friendiez!
As a point to does it “…uphold our values?” I would say that depends on who you are talking about. If you are talking about an empowered and enfranchised group, no – it does not reflect their values. So I would say you may have to define this a bit more. If you do not define it than we are entering the idea of the “Americanism” myth, which is upheld by some but not others. If you are talking about, for lack of a better term – “the common people,” than you might have something that is definitive and clear. However, even these ideas of “values” are used by an elite that have no intention of following any rules when it comes to their own and their interest, but will hold you to such so they can walk all over you. I would say that this is clearly reflected here by some of the posters, which insist on a different set of rules and values when it comes to their own interest.
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Ruth, Taxi shouldn’t be defining what’s a Jew but when Jews capitalize on the definition of one to dispossess the Palestinians, it gives him and anyone else the right to question the legitimacy of certain Jews as he’s doing with the Khazars and into what they evolved today. The real Jews with rights to Palestine and all other Midlle East countries are the oriental Jews that were always part of the area; the others that got parachuted into or onto Palestine were aliens.
You referred to Muslim Tunisians and Muslim Lebanese unable to communicate unless in Modern Standard Arabic but unless there is a racist undertone here, what does the Muslim religion have to do with your assertion? The people of the 17 official religions of Lebanon, including the Jews, all speak the same colloquial Arabic between each other and the same Modern Standard Arabic with other Arabic-speaking countries and religion has nothing to do with how Arabic is spoken . No need to colour your answer with French for me.
Yes but Taxi comes from a family of subversives. Even his name is named after a PLO terrorist doubling as a taxi driver that was thankfully stopped before committing an attack that was planned previously with Taxis parents at his house.
Reported as either as dishonest troll tactic or a disgusting slur or both.
Reported as either a dishonest troll tactic or a disgusting slur or both.
Then I shall report every time I hear the Khazar anti-semitic slur on here.
Why is it ok to protect terrorists doubling as Taxi drivers in a time of war but it is not ok to defend against calling Jews Khazars?
unix
double LOL agatha christie!
You’re bat-shit insane aren’t you?
you go to sleep worrying there’s an arab under your bed, right?
Not at all, the fact that your parents conspired with PLO terrorists during the 67 war, isn’t a big grievance for me, I’m glad the terrorist was stopped and I hope these operations will continue.
I’m more focused on protecting modern day Israel from the ideological spawn of that Taxi driver that was thankfully cussed at and thwarted as well as the radical leftists like you that enable them.
unix
by your (ill)logic, the american sitcom ‘Taxi’ is also a terrorist organization too huh? the millions of cabs around the world with the sign ‘Taxi’ on their roofts, I suppose they too are terrorists. LOL!
As the Brits are wont to say: you really do take the biscuit for genius.
I’m not sure about the sitcom, I am very sure about Taxi’s subversive parents during the 67′ war siding with PLO terrorists that doubled as Taxi drivers (very common)
Unix, what’s untrue about some Jews having Khazar roots? If this is false, then you would have a right to complain.
Hi Walid,
Thanks for your question, the accusation is not that some Jews have Khazar roots, it is that the Majority of Ashkenazim are of Khazar descent.
Again thanks
Unix, I don’t know enough about the Khazars to say if it’s correct about the majority thing but I think you are both making an issue out of something of little consequence today. In my book and as far as Palestine and the Middle East is concerned, oriental Jews or Arab Jews as I prefer calling them, had a valid claim to be in Palestine as well as in any of the neighbouring Arab countries. It was with the arrival of the European colonizing Jews or whatever you and Taxi wish to call them that turned everything upside down.
Walid,
Thank you for your comment. The reason I make issue of the Khazar theory which is incorrect, is because it is used as a weapon against modern Jews.
Israel, Hebron, Jerusalem, Gaza, are all Jewish lands.
Here is a clear example, Jews are from Judea, Arabs are from Arabia.
Judea is in Israel, Gaza is in Judea, Hebron is in Judea, these are simply Jewish lands.
Jews ruling Israel predate Islam by thousands of years .
“Here is a clear example, Jews are from Judea, Arabs are from Arabia.”
ROTFLMJAO!!!
And Indians are from…?
Indians are from India
God help your schizophrenia if you are an arab jew – i mean where would you be from then, huh?
Home I would hope, In Israel.
That’s the point, even the Khazar theory doesn’t hold because benig a Jew isn’t based on nationality, anyone can convert to Judaism, there are Arab Jews, Indian Jews, Chinese Jews, etc. All are welcome to the Jewish homeland.
So you tell me it isn’t based on nationality, “eee” says it’s not based on religion, so what is it based on? It’s sort of a “what have you done for Israel, lately” or “what can you do for Israel” that determines whether you are a Jew?
Yep, I can just see a whole new generation of Jews rededicating themselves and their lives to making Israel’s oligarchs richer. Hell, we’ll get converts by the thousands! I mean, who would stay in America, or Britian, or anywhere else when they have a chance to sacrifice themselves for the Israeli regime?
Yeah, you just work along those lines, UNIX, and much luck to you.
Oh, by the way, which Israeli city are you posting from?
Unix, there is a probability that some Palestinians are actually Jews. I hope this concept doesn’t trigger any nightmares. Anyway, Palestinians have deeper roots in Palestine than pseudo-Jews that converted to get a free ticket to Israel or even the pretenders of being Solomon’s heirs that today are wondering why they ever came to Israel because of the way they are being treated because of their colour.
This isn’t about religion.
Walid:
“The real Jews with rights to Palestine and all other Midlle East countries are the oriental Jews that were always part of the area; the others that got parachuted into or onto Palestine were aliens.”
Let me respectfully and politely disagree with your most of your arguments.
Point 1: Do you realize that you are doing exactly what you said Taxi should not be doing which is to define who is a real Jew? In that case, we can also debate if there is such thing as a distinct Palestinian identity too. DO you see where that leads? Do I have the right to pontificate on that point? No.
Point 2: Unless you have conducted genetic testing on each Jewish family, you can’t say these Jews are the real ones, these are the aliens. You want to conquer and divide without knowing much about how Jews view themselves, their relationship to Am Israel , and to each other. If you are familiar with Jewish history you would know that different communities were in contact with each other throughout the ages. What compelled for instance French Jews to establish the Alliance schools for Jews in Muslim countries, and in 1879 yet? Think about that for a moment. They did it because they had the sense of being part of the same people despite huge cultural differences.
Point 3: If you buy into Sand’s theories, then Oriental Jews are not genuine either because according to him most are converts from Berber tribes.
So if you believe in Khazaria , you must also believe in the Kaheena.
Point 4: Real vs fake jews is ultimately a pointless discussion. How long do you stay an “alien”? By your rationale, Americans will then be entitled to deport most hispanics for instance as they parachuted themselves and took jobs from genuine Americans cause nobody asked them to come! France can send back all her North Africans cause they commit crimes and Britain all its South Asians because of honor killings, Germany all its turks, etc.
Point 5: As a Sephardic Jew, I don’t self identify as an arab jew as you call it—-not that there is anything wrong with it you understand, but FYI some communities do consider that a slur, just sayin…—- but again you don’t get to decide how people self identify. You decide for yourself and I decide for myself. More than one million Israelis under the age of 40 are the offspring of intermarriage between different groups. Therefore your divide and conquer is a moot point at this stage in the game. They have entertwined their destinies.
Point 6: Most Jews now live in the West and in Israel. This has allowed for a globalized Jewish peoplehood and the process of homogenization has begun. A new Jewish people is literally being created. I find that exciting. We enrich each other. The younger generations are being raised together with the same values and in the same cultures. 60 years ago, it was a different story. Hey, that’s Sand’s conclusion too. There is an Israeli people and also a disporic Jewish people. No need to invent anything now!!!
Point 6: Psst…. Let me let you in on a little secret. Oriental Jews are the most rabid zionists cause they are traditionalists and believe literally in messianic Zionism as in Next Year in Jerusalem! You better off with Ashkenazim who are more progressive in general =:)
Thanks for reading!
So Ruth, when did God go from refusing to protect us and putting us in Diaspora due to our failures to uphold His Commandments, to become a Zionist? I don’t hear everything, but I would have heard about that!
If you have a copy of the message, please forward it to Mondoweiss.
Oh, I get it! I should have thought of that! Of course, Israel is God’s recompense to us for the Holocaust! See, He was busy elsewhere in the Universe from 1930-1948 so about six-million Jews died. And when He got back, He was so sorry! “Look, my Chosen People, I was busy on Alpha Arcturaus, and couldn’t get back to prevent the Holacaust. So here’s a nice Jewish State for you! Besides, all those Jews who died in the Holocaust were just Khazars, anyway! I saw to that, at least!”
I thopught the most traditional Jewish position was that of waiting for God to do something about the diaspora, but I guess Herzl got a special message a poor Jew like me (and who knows, I might be part-Khazar) didn’t get.
oops! with most of your – one your too many!
Surely Walid is way too smart to keep up correspondence with the jewish talibans on this site.
Some Jews have Khazar roots.
What an irrelevant statement.
The limited Khazar events were 800 years ago. Certainly, not all Jews lived in Khazar community, but that that was a minority of Jews. So as a proportion, over 800 years of inter-marriage between Jews and other Europeans, and Jews and other Jews, the Khazar proportion is minute, a genuine melting point.
In contrast, the means by which identification as a Jew is cultural, parent to parent, within families primarily over now 40 generations.
The definition of “Jews are really Khazars” is a fraud. A fraud for innaccuracy and a fraud for import.
Is Phil primarily Khazar or Jew? Ask him what he identifies with. Ask him how many Khazar friends he has, how much Khazar foods he eats, how many Khazar words he knows, how many times he’s been to the land of his “roots” – Khazaria.
Its racist, in the name of opposing racism.
“‘The definition of “Jews are really Khazars” is a fraud. A fraud for innaccuracy and a fraud for import.’”
It is a fraud and no one is making that claim.
The claim is that that a large percentage of the immigrants to Israel are Khazars. No one is sugegsting that Khazars the the founders fo Judaism.
It is only but an anti-semitic libel that most ashkenazim are Khazar descent.
The claims main backers are anti-semites such as Shingo, David Duke and the KKK.
“So as a proportion, over 800 years of inter-marriage between Jews and other Europeans, and Jews and other Jews,”
So what happened to your “Jewish nation”. Seems like what we got here is a bunch of people European or otherwise, who happen to be Jewish. And so what gives all these different people the right to Palestine?
What it comes down to is this, and you and your buddy UNIX and “eee” and the rest have made it pretty clear: Whether you are a Jew, and how good of a Jew is strictly judged by what you can do for Israel. This makes the ideal Jew, basically a terrorist, or at best a good soldier.
What a wonderful thing this Zionism is, making a kosher Prussia in the ME.
Of course, how you can depend on the Bible for your land deed but call yourself an atheist, I can’t understand, but I’, just a poor, old style Jew, not one of these brave new Jews, or wanna-be-Jews.
Gosh, it couldn’t be that one’s degree of Zionism is in inverse proportion to the amount of religious or ethical connection one feels toward Judaism, could it? “Hey there, you son of a convert mother, you wanna prove you’re a good Jew, and entitled to all the many benefits which accrue thereunto? Well, you see those Palestinians over there in their olive grove? Go give ‘em a real Torah lesson, and take no prisoners”!
Anyway, that “khazar” thing really gets ‘em riled, huh? It’s like sticking ‘em with a hatpin or something. I hope they don’t catch on. It’s fun to watch ‘em jump.
Do ‘our values’ have any connection with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Or through that with the general Western tradition of moral universalism?
If so, we would have a more substantial basis on which to discuss how particular policies reflect our values. Some attempts to argue from agreed premises to more controversial conclusions. Less abuse.
Can we start a new thread to actually discuss this hearing, one not already contaminated by the mentally and morally deranged?
potsherd,
julian started the distraction by bringing up something about me from a different thread that had nothing to do with the subject here at hand. In response, I mentioned the word ‘khazar’ in my post – from there on everything went pear-shaped. Boy I had no idea the objection to this word would go so venonously far – I’d made several references to the khazar before and it really was never a big deal then. krykee I feel bad but it’s easy for this kind of thing to happen on blogs.
” from there on everything went pear-shaped. Boy I had no idea the objection to this word would go so venonously far”
Tazi, a disproportionate Israeli response, how unusual..
Nah, Taxi, I don’t think that Ruth is a Taliban but she confounds what Sand describes in so many other words as the blurred lines between the religion of the Jews and the nation of the Jews and when that happens, it gets very hard for me to get through.
Ruth, I don’t have a problem with your 6 points and a Jew can be whatever his heart tells him to be and it’s none of my business. But, when such a defining leads towards dispossessing the Palestinians from the land on which they lived for hundreds of years and maybe thousands of years but under a different appelation, it opens the door to question some of those assertions but to debate them on a point by point basis would be futile since I will not convince you to change your position because they are structured to legitimitize what the Jews did to the Palestinians.
You’re preoccupied with what you think is my obsession with Sand but I’m not really a fan of this very pro-Israel guy although I was happy that he came along and said in clearer words what I had been saying incoherently for a while about the non-exitence of the Jewish nation as it has been defined by the Zionist enterprise to suit its colonizing of Palestine. I prefer Yehouda Shenhav’s take on the Zionist picture and what was done to the Arab Jews to make them drop the Arabic habits.
You mentioned the million or so Israelis born of mixed marriages; I somehow don’t have a problem with their presence on the land or to even consider them as part of a new Jewish nation inasmuch as these aren’t working at also disposessing whatever Palestinians are still around. Some of those Messianic Jews that you are talking about are offended of being considered refugees from Arab countries because they had arrived voluntarily in Israel on an aliyah calling but the Zionists would like to keep that fact under the rug. From which did your parents or gradparents originate?
I’ll make it easy for you, Ruth, I’m not rooting to have Jews out of Israel but I am rooting for justice for the Palestinians that were dispossed by the arrival of the Jews. That could come in various forms, I really don’t know what is needed or what would be acceptable to them. The Jews in Israel committed a grave injustice and they should be working at fixing it instead of adding to it and you seem to be rooting for this to go on. Am I wrong?
I saw a couple hours of the presentation, and was disappointed with the range of presentations, no mention of Palestinian terror at all, which is an unavoidable part of the context, and almost entirely anecdotal and less than sophisticated responses.
Discussion of media again, instead of policy, even when they state they are talking about policy.
@ Richard Witty
I don’t believe you when you say you watched a couple of hours of the Chicago Hearing.
There was, in fact, a great deal of substance. The component of “terror” was clearly addressed by several speakers. For instance, Jeff Halper (the first witness) addressed that terminology head-on.
Jeff Ruebner (the introducer of the final speakers) also addressed terrorism in Gaza.
This was a movie that I watched in its entirety. You are clearly the reviewer who is not be trusted.
I listened for the hour and half before I posted, the emotional Rachel Corrie stuff.
Distrust away if you like.
Chicage Hearing just finished, very good – it’s 8.30AM in Australia, what a way to start the day :-)
Oops, “Chicago” – yes, I’m a little short on sleep.
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Well, I’ll say one thing, if Hasbara Headquarters is trying to show that they hold Mondoweiss in contempt, by sending us trolls with very severe character defects coupled with low intelligence, they have done a bang-up job. It’s really getting me down, and I’ll tell you why, I read their comments and think: “This drek is the dreaded Zionists? And they are still around, and in power? What the hell is wrong with us?”
But I know what the answer is, unfortunately: This is the second and third generation of modern Zionists. They used to be a whole lot smarter and more aware, and they knew when to keep their mouths shut! But then they were faced with a nasty choice: Do they give their children a good education, and risk them rejecting the criminal nature of Israel, or do they indoctrinate them into good Zionist soldiers, each according to their place in the system. They chose the latter, obviously, and these guys are the result. Cadres, apparatchiks, made men, call ‘em what you want, but their immersion in an unapologetic barbaric culture gives us what we see here, Israel, the land of the barimer, the home of the farschimmelt!
Several of the hasbara brigaders here are paid to be here. (Yes you know who you are).
You’d better believe this site is motinored 24/7.
Mooser, I see it in reverse: I see mondoweiss as very threatening to hasbarados therefore a most powerful entity.
Keep reporting abuse when you come across it and eventually their exit lotto number will come up.
Taxi,
you love a good conspiracy don’t you. I’d be interested to know who these ‘paid’ bloggers are. I am too dumb to be one of them.
You’re not one of them yonira.
You clearly exagerate your and the site’s importance.
You’re such a good friend to Phil, Dick.
And if there’s one thing we can congratulate you for, Richila, it’s your modesty. You’re the most self-effacing egomaniac I know.
Narcissus could take your correspondence course.
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