Anywhere but here: ‘Haaretz’ prints another Israeli rightwinger talking one-state

Moshe Arens, a rightwing Israeli hawk, has joined Reuven Rivlin, speaker of the Knesset, in endorsing a one-state solution that absorbs the West Bank. At the link, Jerry Haber points out that they want to disgorge Gaza but congratulates the right for thinking outside the box. Arens wrote in Haaretz:

Adding another 1.5 million Muslims, the population of Judea and Samaria, to Israel’s Muslim population would of course make the situation considerably more difficult. Would a 30-percent Muslim minority in Israel create a challenge that would be impossible for Israeli society to meet? That is a question that Israeli politicians, and all Israelis – Jews and Arabs alike – need to ponder.

I believe the figure is closer to 2.5 million. But what is exciting about Arens’s statement, following on Rivlin’s, is that the right is thinking creatively about a dire crisis faced by Israeli society. And who else is thinking creatively? Who else is publishing this sort of idea? Certainly not liberal Zionists in the United States, who can’t even call for a return to the ’67 lines to save the Jewish state of ancient memory. The right is actually willing to take action/some risk with enfranchising Palestinians who are now under occupation and tyrannized. The Israeli right is thus far closer to Ali Abunimah’s idea that Israel/Palestine should become a… are you sitting down? …. a democracy.

The marvel here is that the Israeli right is doing harder mental work than any American liberal I can think of. And doing so in good measure out of fears of endless bloodshed, lack of progress. The matsav, the conflict, hovers over Israeli society like a black cloud. And over our political life too. How long before American conservatives and realists, who see the apartheid conditions that liberals have blinded themselves to, join this conversation in favor of democracy? I am about to call on Roger Cohen to join this conversation, Roger Cohen who ardently opposed Partition in the former Yugoslavia out of a noble hatred of ethnic division. An essential conversation for Americans, and who will push it.

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  1. Chaos4700 says:

    The Israeli right, or at least some of them, are only going this way out of desperation. Israel has really left it self with two options: absorb the non-Jews living on the land they’ve been trying to colonize…

    Or slaughter them down to the last man, woman and child.

    I suppose it’s nice to see that there are some roads some of these right-wing kooks aren’t willing to go down.

    • Walid says:

      No, Israelis are not starting to discover religion and none of the neighbouring states are happy at the prospect of an independent Palestinian state or of having a shared border with it, even those that are far away; in fact, they are relatively happy with the occupation that keeps putting off this spooky eventuality and one has to simply think of the joint Israeli-Egyptian siege of Gaza or the Arab funded PA police that was trained to safeguard Israel’s borders from Palestinian infiltrators. As to the Israelis, you have to account for the WB being the source from where 50% of Israel’s domestic water originates and Israel can’t walk away from that. Absorbing the WB would put an end to any chance of RoR for Palestinians and to Israel’s worst nightmare.

      • I disagree, Walid. Hamas has a plan and has been executing with discipline.

        see www. raceforiran.com

      • Chaos4700 says:

        Only if Israel were allowed to absorb the West Bank unilaterally. Which isn’t going to happen.

        • Walid says:

          Chaos, who would stop Israel from doing it? Certainly not the Arabs; they still haven’t reacted to the FGM flotilla massacre and Jordan and Syria would both prefer secure borders with Israel but Egypt would be left out in the cold having to share a border with Gaza.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          I can’t speak for Jordan, but I dare say Syria doesn’t consider its border with Israel to be secure.

          You are being too cynical. It was one thing when Israel put up a fence around the Palestinians, rendered them helpless and then tried to grind them into the dirt. It’s another thing when they turn international waters into a free-fire zone. The rest of the world will not tolerate that.

        • Walid says:

          Chaos, maybe I’m being too cynical but what did the world do during the white phosphorus showers and what has the world been doing since the over 4 year strangulating siege of Gaza? The Arabs don’t give a shit, the rest of the world doesn’t either and why should it when they see the zero reaction on the part of the Arabs? The Palestinians have been waiting 60 years for the world to stop tolerating Israel’s crimes.

        • walid, Bashar al-Assad may surprise you.

          spend an hour: Syrian Pres. al-Assad talks w Rose

  2. but Hamas, Syria, Turkey, and Iran are doing have done even harder thinking; they’ve got their ducks in a row while Israel is just starting to grow feathers and Hillary is concentrating on honking the same tired message.
    Israel had 60 years and gifts of at least $100 billion to create a homeland for Jews; they blew it. They blew it because fifty years ago they chose as the source for their “light unto the nations” the glow from a mushroom cloud.
    Now it’s time to step aside and let the adults take charge.
    Make yourselves acquainted with the new policy that will create a New and Vital Middle East, including Israel, if she disarms and behaves civilly:

    link to charlierose.com Khaled Meshaal, Hamas
    link to charlierose.com Pres. Bashar al-Assad, Syria
    link to foreignpolicy.com Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey

    Where is the American leadership? Is there depth on the bench, inasmuch as Hillary Clinton is as damaged as the Steeler’s Ben Roethlisberger? Why, yes there is:
    link to raceforiran.com Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

    And just to twist the knife: turns out Ahmadinejad was right: zionism WILL disappear from the pages of time, due to its own internal contradictions.

    sadly, no one should expect right wing zionism to go quietly; denouement will be long and entail much suffering. Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iran have become accustomed to suffering and are hardened; Israel is soft and flaccid. Would be wiser for Israel to cooperate with all the dignity it can muster.

  3. kapok says:

    Don’t trust the Wingies! Their intent might just as well be to foment civil war which, once they win, will be followed by wiping Palestine off the map and replacing it with Jewdonia. These people are capable of ANYTHING, as all our yesterdays amply demonstrate.

  4. but Hamas, Syria, Turkey, and Iran are doing have done even harder thinking; they’ve got their ducks in a row while Israel is just starting to grow feathers and Hillary is concentrating on honking the same tired message.
    Israel had 60 years and gifts of at least $100 billion to create a homeland for Jews; they blew it. They blew it because fifty years ago they chose as the source for their “light unto the nations” the glow from a mushroom cloud.
    Now it’s time to step aside and let the adults take charge.
    Make yourselves acquainted with the new policy that will create a New and Vital Middle East, including Israel, if she disarms and behaves civilly:

    www dot charlierose dot com/view/interview/11032 Khaled Meshaal, Hamas
    www dot charlierose dot com/view/interview/11029 Pres. Bashar al-Assad, Syria
    link to foreignpolicy.com Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey

    Where is the American leadership? Is there depth on the bench, inasmuch as Hillary Clinton is as damaged as the Steeler’s Ben Roethlisberger? Why, yes there is:
    www dot raceforiran dot com/hamas-turkey-iran-and-strategic-leadership-in-the-middle-east Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

    And just to twist the knife: turns out Ahmadinejad was right: zionism WILL disappear from the pages of time, due to its own internal contradictions.

    sadly, no one should expect right wing zionism to go quietly; denouement will be long and entail much suffering. Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iran have become accustomed to suffering and are hardened; Israel is soft and flaccid. Israelis will suffer less if they cooperate more; accept the hand that is extended with an open hand rather than a clenched fist. Recall,
    Iran, Turkey, and Brazil celebrated a hard-won deal with smiling faces and hands up and joined in mutual cooperation.

    • Chaos4700 says:

      You give a fairly hopeful view of where this might go, all things considered. Of course, what’s implied in your post is the decline and fall of American prominence — we’ve made ourselves irrelevant, but making ourselves little more than an extension of the current Israeli regime. By the time the strain on our military reaches critical mass, the oil slick washes into our Gulf shore (and quite possibly carried even deeper over the course of hurricane season) and whole states start declaring bankruptcy, the US will sadly have engineered its own demise out of hubris.

      I wish I could say I was sad about that, but we’ve strayed so far from the original concept and ideals this country was founded on. It’s time for American Empire to come to an end.

    • Walid says:

      The only time the US will clobber Israel over the head and make it behave will be if and when Hamas and Hizbullah are eliminated from the map since these 2 groups are spooking the Americans more than they are spooking the Israelis. Israel knows it all too well that Hamas can’t defeat it and unless it goes anywhere near Lebanon or Iran, Hizbullah will not react. The US tried doing a number on both in 2006 using its gorilla Israel and failed in both places. Hamas and Hizbullah aren’t going anywhere no matter how much the US wishes otherwise because they exist out of public popularity. The whole region (Saudi Arabia, some of the Arab gulf states, Jordan, Egypt) are bubbling with unrest and Hamas and Hizbullah are viewed as a catalyst to opposition movements in them and since these countries are US allies and subject to being overthrown, it keeps the US nervous. Becasuse of the oil, of course.

  5. lysias says:

    I wonder if some constitutional scheme like John C. Calhoun’s idea of a concurrent majority might make a one-state solution acceptable to the Jews of Israel. Two communities, each represented by a separate legislature, with no legislative action possible without the approval of the two houses. Two consuls, a la Rome, heading the executive, with each consul able to veto any action by the other.

  6. decentjew says:

    Ultimately, Jews will have to live under an Arab regime in Israel-Palestine. They should be treated with dignity and respect and have all rights under the law, with two critical provisions: they may never again be permitted to hold public office and they can never again be granted access to any weapons of any kind–not a fighter jet, not a pen knife.

    If they can live in peace under these conditions, they are welcome. Otherwise: OUT. Get out and never come back.

    • Avi says:

      First, I don’t see why it has to be an Arab “regime”; second, in a democratic and free state, equality is paramount.

      Are you GodsChosen under a different name?

    • robin says:

      Is there some sarcasm or irony here that I’m missing? Otherwise: CRAZY.

  7. Avi says:

    Unfortunately, the last time Moshe Arens was relevant in Israeli politics was roughly 20 years ago when he held the post of foreign minister for a few months, and then during the Gulf War was the Minister of Defense for a year or so.

    Nonetheless, the fact that yet another public figure mentions the bi-nation state model, is good.

  8. robin says:

    More power to these right-wingers (as wrong as it feels to type that). I’m not sure where these proposals leave Gaza. But with about 30-40% of the voting public, might the Palestinians be able to get in a ruling coalition? All the power is in Israeli state hands right now and for the forseeable future – EVEN if there were to be a two-state agreement. More Palestinians getting in on that can do nothing but help matters.