New Yorkers protest Tzipi Livni despite hidden location

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New Yorkers protest Tzipi Livni. (Photo: Bud Korotzer)

About 50 protesters picketed outside the Russian Tea Room yesterday as Tzipi Livni spoke inside. The protest was organized by Jews Say No!, American Jews for a Just Peace, and Adalah-NY: The New York Coalition for the Boycott of Israel. Livni was giving a speech as part of a two-day conference on “Peace and Security” hosted by the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence.

Livni was being protested because of her role in Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon and the winter 2009 attack on Gaza. Activists highlighted a 2009 Der Spiegel quote that would seem to indicate Livni doesn’t feel much remorse about the Gaza attack, "Naturally I regret every civilian casualty, but what happened at the UN school was not a mistake." With quotes like these, no wonder Livni has been targeted for war crimes prosecution.

Interestingly enough, while the rest of the conference sessions were held across town at the Waldorf Astoria, the location of the Livni speech was kept private. Organizers cited “security concerns,” but in her bio they also referenced the fact that Livni faces the threat of arrest whenever she travels outside Israel. Worried about a subpoena maybe?

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  1. Les says:

    As usual, missing in action was the National Council of Churches.

    Their sign might read:

    Israel preys for piece

    • potsherd says:

      Remember when the National Council of Churches stood in the forefront of the civil rights movement, for justice?

      I guess that was then.

  2. Les says:

    Is it fair to ask if the conference attendees expected the unpredictable from the talks of Christopher Hitchens and David Trimble?

    http://www.icsr.info/news/icsr-peace-and-security-summit-new-york-city-30-june—1-july

  3. demize says:

    For one afternoon it became The Russian “C” Room. I’m coarse but lovable, I hope. Was thinking The Prussian Tea room as well, Whichever you rename it, just give me credit, I have so little in life :..(

  4. VR says:

    Now now folks, is this any way to treat one of your fully US supported visiting colonials? This reminds me of (the name of the place) the colonials sitting on their lawns drinking tea commenting “my, the natives are restless.” Next it will be the White House lawn.

  5. I do not mean to be so flippant but the picture “makes my heart soar like an eagle” and is the cause for a big ear to ear grin as well.

    My admiration and gratitude to “Jews Say No!” and all who participated in the protest. I sometimes forget the impact of visuals.

    “A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” ~ Margaret Mead

  6. potsherd says:

    A war criminal state hosting a war criminal. How cozy.

  7. Taxi says:

    Wanna kill more Lebanese when you get back into power Tzipi you fucking mass-murdering c-nt!! Is that what you’re really doing in NY? Getting a green-light and a hand-job from our cheap whores in congress?

    I bet you are you miserable, evil, like your fucking terrorist father, souless wretch!

    I wish for all the ills and agonies of hell to visit you and your digusting family everynight and day!

    You killed women, you killed children, you destroyed families and the promising futures of millions!

    I hope you or someone you know is reading this curse!

    • potsherd says:

      Yes, in fact, Tzipi’s government is indeed planning another war on Lebanon. Israel is the only country in the world where they talk about “this summer’s war” and “the next war.”

    • bookwoman says:

      I agree with the sentiment, but….

    • hophmi says:

      Yet another intelligent comment from a Mondoweisser.

      “One of the goals of this site is to promote critical discussion and debate on US foreign policy and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We want Mondoweiss to be a place that everyone feels comfortable visiting, to read and comment, regardless of political perspective.”

  8. Bumblebye says:

    The protesters in the picture appear to be extremely wary of the camera.
    What consequences do they fear from “their” community for their actions in daring to speak out? Is being pro-justice for Palestine in New York akin to being pro-choice in the Bible belt??

    • azythos says:

      “Is being pro-justice for Palestine in New York akin to being pro-choice in the Bible belt??”

      Don’t the most violent in Zio-land speak with a New York accent?

      • Mooser says:

        “Don’t the most violent in Zio-land speak with a New York accent?”

        Due to changes in the epiglottis, thorax, and vocal chords from the effects of ziocaine. Ultimately coreopsis will set in. Pocketa, pocketa!

  9. VR says:

    This is put on by the Hudson Union Society which is affiliated with the Yale Political Union. Here is another quote from the mass murderer, which I have not seen repeated too often, they print it with pride at the Hudson Union Society –

    “In reference to the Operation Cast Lead (the War against Hamas-run Gaza), Livni said “When the state of Israel has to do the right thing, it has to be done – condemnation or no condemnation, statements or no statements, arrest warrants or no arrest warrants. “This is the role of leadership, and as far as I’m concerned I would repeat each and every decision.”"

    They have as their slogan on their page – “Today’s Leaders, Tomorrows Ideas.”

    Here is a list of the advisory board that took the decision to invite usch a repugnant creature –

    ADVISORY BOARD

    • hayate says:

      “They have as their slogan on their page – “Today’s Leaders, Tomorrows Ideas.”

      One wonders, do they raise their right hands and loudly chant zieg heil during the speech pauses?

    • VR says:

      Also, here is the Board Of Directors and Honorary Board –

      BEHOLD

      I only posted this so you see the depth of the problem faced, it is not merely some isolated Zionists who sit in some dark room, etc. – but it is an elite which supports the type of butchery displayed by the ruling elite in Israel.

      • VR says:

        Here is some content from the speech, which the witch of Zionism spoke that day – same rehash, utter bullshit (get your barf bags out):

        “Ladies and gentlemen, this is not a zero sum game. This vision is Not pro- Israeli or pro-Palestinian, it is pro PEACE! And Israel has made a choice [two states] Across Israeli society we have embraced this vision and accepted the sacrifices that comes with it. The disengagement plan proved this.With great pain we uprooted families from their home in order to create an opportunity for peace. Sadly, we received terror in return. And yet we have not stopped hoping that the Palestinians will make their choice for peace.

        Unfortunately, in the last elections they chose Hamas. I believe in the dialogue but there are some things that are not up for negotiation. Because we can not and we will not negotiate our right to exist. We must understand that the chance for peace on a clear distinction between the moderates and the extremists. A moderate is a title that has to be earned. A moderate is someone who is ready to confront terror. Someone who believes in the two state solution and accepts its true meaning.

        All of us are eager to seek peace in the Middle East. Nobody wants it more than Israel. Because this is about our lives and the future of our children Lasting peace is possible if it is built on solid foundation and shared values.”

        Absolute horse shit

        • piotr says:

          Give it to Tzipi that at least her speach makes perfect sense with some cosmetic cbages.

          “Unfortunately, in the previous elections they chose Kadima and Labor, forked tongued hypocrites who talk peace and build more settlements where ostensibly they believe that the other state should emerge one day. Who allegedly offer unprecedented peace proposal, but never in writing! And who wage bloody wars to boot.

          A moderate title has to be earned. Empty talk, theft and bloody deeds do not make a moderate. A moderate is someone ready to confront fascism, like her own party members who join a pandemonium of hatred when an opposition member is shouted down in Knesset. A moderate would condemn witchhunts joined by her own party members.. A moderate would seek to engage, rather than latch for excuses to unleash rain of death on the defenseless. A moderate would refrain from criticizing a fascist government from not being radical enough.”

        • eljay says:

          >> Lasting peace is possible if it is built on solid foundation and shared values.

          And there you have Ms. Livni’s formula for peace. Palestinians must:
          - develop the values of colonialism, oppression and blind, religious supremacism based on / inspired by a mythical narrative; and,
          - create a self-declared, nuclear-armed, aggressor state on stolen land and destroyed homes.

          Peace at last! :-)

        • Polly says:

          “With great pain we uprooted families from their home in order to create an opportunity for peace. Sadly, we received terror in return. And yet we have not stopped hoping that the Palestinians will make their choice for peace.”

          I experienced the same thing recently – I kicked my neighbor squarely in the nuts and sadly, received a tirade of abuse in return.

        • potsherd says:

          I somehow don’t think Tzip is talking about the pain of Palestinian families uprooted from their homes, seeing them demolished. And I don’t think the demolishing gave Israelis any pain at all.

        • demize says:

          They made a desert and called it peace.

        • demize says:

          Or in this case a Dessert. After the Chicken Kiev…

        • piotr says:

          I was really slow reading that. “What is painful about uprooting families like Palestinians in East Jerusalem or Rafah”?

          Then I recalled that there were indeed several thousand families living on the grounds taken away from hundreds of thousands (I guess, at least 1/4 of Gaza was reserved for they living pleasure), in some kind of Apartheid paradise, with neighbors being killed on daily basis to boost their safety.

          To appreciate how close to Paradise they lived you have to understand a Russian joke. To friends meet: “How are you? Oh, so so? Any news? Ah, our house burned down. Oh, that is too bad! Not at all, you see, our neighbors’ house burned down too.”

          And now imagine that you can watch your neighbors being bulldozed over and shot from the roof of your beautiful house! Now wonder these people just cannot find any other place that would be as good.

  10. If you even begin to believe that Livni regrets the death of civilian casualties you are mistaken. She is a vacuous hypocrite and war criminal. This is what really irks me about Israeli government spokespeople especially those with the IDF. Their crocodile tears over the endless death of Palestinian civilians are not only insincere but it is all for performance and international consumption. At least Hamas was never as hypocritical about attacking Israeli civilians.

    • Shingo says:

      “Their crocodile tears over the endless death of Palestinian civilians are not only insincere but it is all for performance and international consumption”

      Is it any wonder why Witty is such a fan of Kadima?

  11. VR says:

    If you want to know who Livni is read this, I have a series called the “may we” saga on my site (interspersed at various posts) –

    “MAY WE UNJUSTLY MURDER UNTOLD NUMBERS OF DEFENSELESS PEOPLE, PLEASE?”

  12. lysias says:

    Didn’t the Russian Tea Room close down? Has it reopened?

    • Mooser says:

      “Has it reopened?”

      Who cares, they don’t serve tea in water glasses, and if you drink tea through a sugar cube held between your front teeth, they kick you out!
      From Russia, that’s love?

  13. hayate says:

    Probably these zionist “rallies” are going on all over the country:

    Weekend Edition
    July 2 -5, 2010
    A Canary in the Coal Mine
    The Israel Lobby in San Francisco

    By BINOY KAMPMARK

    ‘I was the child of the survivors of the Holocaust.’ With that, Roz Rothstein of the activist group Stand With Us that hopes to transform the image of Israel on US campuses sets the moral authority before a small audience at an office on Howard Street, San Francisco. One can, she explains, disagree with Israel, but there are ‘limits’ to such doubting behavior. Exceeding those limits constitutes the gravest sort of anti-Semitism. As people devour the food and drink put on by the associates of Blumberg Capital, serious politics is being discussed. ‘We are being demonized,’ she insists. Whether she means Israel, Jews or Jews in the US is hard to tell. Presumably, no true distinction is intended.

    The gathering teams with Republicans, many of them competing with each other for various posts in upcoming elections. Candidates who are going to be competing for House positions are also there including John Dennis who hopes to undermine Nancy Pelosi. The room smells of political hustling and over-eager libidos.

    All are, however, there for one reason: defending Israel. Israel is besieged, the David in a sea of overly keen Goliaths. A good deal of agitprop is necessary to convince the audience, and perhaps the speakers, of this bizarre scenario. Pro-Palestinian groups are swarming across American campuses attacking Jews and pro-Israeli students alike. The UN is ‘obsessed’ with Israel and prefers, we are told, not to look at the stain of character on other states. One must be on the look out for the ‘Three Ds’ suggested by Natan Sharansky. (The speakers intone this in irritating fashion – we are in a kindergarten of ideological instruction. Remember ‘demonization’, ‘double standards’ and ‘delegitimization’, for one.)

    The language merchants are busy attempting to find the right good to sell. ‘We must be out there to counter our enemies.’ Evidently, the Gaza dead, with their galvanic properties must be astonishingly good at public relations – they are, it would seem, the ignoble savages who dare speak from their status as the deceased.

    The campaign being waged is yet another indication of how the Israeli lobby, so peevishly dismissed by Israeli supporters as non-existent, arises with effective force when fear is packaged and retailed in this faux salon manner. These are the first people who would insist that such a thing is anathema, only to then gather their forces and funds to effectively provide assistance to a foreign power. Young, well-groomed men listening intently will be doing service at some point with the Israeli Army, a problematic situation given mixed allegiances. The framers of the US constitution would have had something to say about that.

    What is most striking in this display is the rehearsed language of doom. (We are ‘besieged’, a ‘well planned tsunami’ is being put into place, argues Rothstein.) The Palestinians do not exist except in the negative, a dark eminence with Satanic overtones. Hamas, a body once supported by Israel for Machiavellian purposes, is not a force that can or should be dealt with other than through force. Beware their Charter.

    It all comes down to ‘information’. ‘They do not know the information,’ explains Dr. Michael Harris, who was a founder of San Francisco Voice for Israel before it became the San Francisco chapter for Stand With Us. So, with this in mind, a packet is distributed, bulging with fascinating ‘facts’ rendered on glossy paper. How far it will go is not something these agitprop peddlers make clear.

    A brief summary of what is on show then. A booklet entitled ‘Middle East: Apartheid Today’ is designed to focus on Arab and Muslim prejudice (murderous ‘gender apartheid’ is practiced amongst the Palestinians). ‘We don’t do apartheid in the Holy Land’. South African apartheid is also singled out as spectacular, singular and totally different from Israeli policies. And besides, many want to leave Islam – they want to assimilate, to become like ‘us’.

    There are pictures of hanged men from Iran reproduced in distributed booklets showing homosexuality to be a capital offence in that benighted part of the world. (Would Orthodox Jews disagree with such treatment, one wonders.) In short, the apartheid fiends, the promoters of segregation, sexually motivated crimes, honor killings and institutionalized racism, lie outside Israel’s sacred, threatened borders. Instead, focus is directed on such things as ‘Israel’s gift to the world’ on a card that speaks about its ‘Intel laptops’ and ‘mobile phone technology’ amongst other things.

    On the coattails of doom is that of self-praise. No one would hate us if they knew how humanitarian we really were. An example is adduced: the hospital in Haiti, emphasized in the publication ‘Israeli Heroes in Haiti’. This gesture, it seems, rinses guilt and cheers the consciences. Far better to build hospitals in Haiti than Gaza, where a humanitarian crisis is all too real. The mantras are almost hypnotic, and said with repeated, mechanical hollowness: ‘We are the glowing light in the Middle East’. This is the Winthrop covenant of the Holy Land, Americans who have confused Israel with the ‘light on the hill’ and a puritan assertion of exceptionality, and would prefer to be there than in San Francisco. (Dare one ask?)

    The questions posed by the anesthetized audience are variously comical and absurd in their businesslike approach. A political candidate for the twelfth district in San Francisco suggests a screenwriter for an appropriate film to display Israel on American campuses in a good light. Another suggests ‘feel good’ images that re-enforce notions of the genteel Jew. ‘Cuddly, yes, cuddly and warm.’ Things are getting rather slippery here, and the hold on reality, if was ever there, is now being lost. Another suggests that Israel is ‘the canary in the coal mine.’ An announcement of thanks is made to the speakers: an anonymous donor has just penned a cheque for an undisclosed sum running into the thousands. Money for jam. This place, presumably a refuge from the coalmine, is an asylum of unreality. And one is simply happy to leave it.

    Binoy Kampmark was a Commonwealth Scholar at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He lectures at RMIT University, Melbourne and is currently in San Francisco. Email: [email protected]

    link to counterpunch.org

    • VR says:

      “‘We are the glowing light in the Middle East’. This is the Winthrop covenant of the Holy Land, Americans who have confused Israel with the ‘light on the hill’ and a puritan assertion of exceptionality, and would prefer to be there than in San Francisco. (Dare one ask?)”

      Of course they pull from the early US playbook, after all it is a US blessed colonial enterprise. However, the only “glowing light” there is the burned out and bombed homes of the Palestinians, just like in the early American history it was setting the dwellings and food fields of the indigenous people ablaze.

      • VR says:

        Heading in the same direction results –

        SWEET HOME UNDER WHITE CLOUDS

      • munro says:

        Pinkwashing:
        “One of the most remarkable features of the Brand Israel campaign is the marketing of a modern Israel as a gay-friendly Israel. Stand With US, a self-declared Zionist organisation, has been quoted in the Jerusalem Post as saying: ‘We decided to improve Israel’s image through the gay community in Israel.’ This ‘pinkwashing’, as it is now commonly termed in activist circles, has currency beyond Israeli gay groups. Within global gay and lesbian organising circuits, to be gay friendly is to be modern, cosmopolitan, developed, first-world, global north, and, most significantly, democratic.”
        good piece, more here
        link to guardian.co.uk

  14. eljay says:

    >> ‘I was the child of the survivors of the Holocaust.’ With that, Roz Rothstein … sets the moral authority before a small audience at an office on Howard Street, San Francisco.

    Being a child of survivors of the Holocaust is no basis for “moral authority”. What a fucking joke, what a stupid woman. The level of indoctrination at work in situations such as these is absolutely astounding.

    >> One can, she explains, disagree with Israel, but there are ‘limits’ to such doubting behavior. Exceeding those limits constitutes the gravest sort of anti-Semitism.

    What does “disagree with Israel” mean? What are the limits to such disagreement? Who sets them? And why does disagreement beyond those limits constitute “the gravest sort of anti-Semitism” as opposed to, say, just good, old-fashioned, run-of-the-mill anti-Semitism?

    Time to stop living the mythical narrative.

  15. piotr says:

    I think it is fair to give a “get out of jail free” card in recognition of particularly grevious suffering. But what “friends of Israel” postulate is more like “unspendable ruble” from a Russian tale: you can pay any times you want, the ruble is always back in your pocket.

    For example. the Welch suffered terribly from Saxon and Norman invasions, this is why they live mostly in Wales, although they are the Brytonic natives of Britain. So now and then they can welch on a promise.

    • VR says:

      What is being done with the Holocaust is simple, it is being made a badge of moral authority. This is why I call it Holocaust hegemony, it is not only used as an excuse for atrocity, but it is used to smother suffering voice of the victim.

  16. “Israel: A Failing Colonial Project”
    By M. Shahid Alam

    Increasingly, despite its early military and political successes, it appears unlikely that Israel can endure for long as a colonial project.

    In order to firmly secure its existence – as firmly as that is possible for any state – a settler state has to overcome three challenges. It has to solve the native problem; break away from its mother country; and gain the recognition of neighboring states and peoples. It can be shown that Israel has not met any of these conditions.

  17. piotr says:

    It can be wishful thinking. American colonists from Iberian Peninsula did not break away from their mother countries for 300 years. Roman colonists of Iberian peninsula did not break away from their mother country for 500 years.

    On the other hand, if a war lasts forever, it is enough to loose it once. Sometimes I think that this is the whole point of the Iseaeli experience. Tawdry compromises, “land for piece” and other blasphemies do not assure security, while they have demerit of diluting the essence of Jewish experience in Israel. Which is, to live once more according to the mystic covenant that made Israel the CHOSEN PEOPLE with the PROMISED LAND. I just checked it out: yep, the promise is FOREVER. “Additional blessings” are conditional on obedience etc.

    And after another exile, the bonds forged in the shared experience will allow Jews to survive another thousand or two thousands years of Diaspora. Aliya as a sojourn.

    Thus the dual purpose of nuclear weapons. Now they serve as the Weapons of Mass Moral Superiority, using the Doctrine of the Proportion:

    how many you have killed
    ——————————-
    how many you could kill

    For example, yours’ truly did not kill anyone, but I really have no skills or opportunities, so no brownie points are collected. A neighbor who is a hunter lives on a somewhat higher plane: every year he has gun in his practiced hands and plenty of fellow hunters that he could shoot — and yet he does not. The will power, the unprecedented restraint, the ethics of the guy!

  18. hophmi says:

    “”Naturally I regret every civilian casualty, but what happened at the UN school was not a mistake.” With quotes like these, no wonder Livni has been targeted for war crimes prosecution.”

    Yes, of course, Adam, leave out the part where she says that they were firing from the area near the school. Why even print her defense of the attack? No one here would believe it anyway, right? And your responsibility is to your readers, not to the truth.

    Israel never bombed the school.

    Here’s the BBC report from the attack

    link to news.bbc.co.uk

    At the bottom of the report:

    “Update: In February 2009, the United Nations said that a clerical error had led it to report that Israeli mortars had struck a UN-run school in Jabaliya, Gaza, on 6 January killing about 40 people. Maxwell Gaylord, the UN humanitarian co-ordinator in Jerusalem, said that the Israeli Defense Force mortars fell in the street near the compound, and not on the compound itself. He said that the UN “would like to clarify that the shelling and all of the fatalities took place outside and not inside the school”. ”

    That would seem to gel with exactly what Livni said, which is that mortars were being fired from outside of the school.

    • Shingo says:

      “Yes, of course, Adam, leave out the part where she says that they were firing from the area near the school.  Why even print her defense of the attack?  No one here would believe it anyway, right?  And your responsibility is to your readers, not to the truth.”

      Of course, we only have Israel’s word on that right Homphi, becasue the IDF decided to ban al foreing jounrlaists, in violation of their own superme court ruling.

      “Israel never bombed the school.”

      Really?  From your link:

      “A number of children were among those who died when the al-Fakhura school in the Jabaliya refugee camp was hit, doctors at nearby hospitals said”

      ” Here’s the BBC report from the attack”

      Of course, the BBC would have been aboe to report from the attack had the IDF not blocked any journalists from entering Gaza.

      “At the bottom of the report:”

      The shells have a kill radius of over 100 feet.  40 children inside the school were killed.

      Stop wasting our time.

      Yuo might also want to explain why 39,000 children in Gaza won’t have a school to go to this year.

      “About 39,000 child refugees in Gaza will not attend UNRWA schools this year, since the agency is unable to build or re-build schools due to the Israeli blockade, damage sustained during the 23-day Israeli offensive (27 December 2008 – 18 January 2009) and population growth, UNRWA spokesperson Chris Gunness said in Jerusalem.”

      link to irinnews.org

      • Shingo says:

        A few interesting pints from the interview.

        1. Livni does not deny that Israel have targeted UNRWA schools.

        2.  She insists a cease fire and a peace treaty with Hamas is not an option .

        This is consistent with get statement in 2008 that a long ceasefire with Hamas was not in Israel’s strategic interests.

        • hophmi says:

          Well, again, if someone fires from a school, it becomes a target.

          Ceasefires tend to be used as opportunities for Hamas to re-arm.

        • Shingo says:

          “Well, again, if someone fires from a school, it becomes a target.”

          Except that only have Israel’s word for it, and given Israel’s track record of playing hard and fast with the truth (as well as Israel’s penchant for slaughtering children) , it’s safe to assume that schools are target regardless.

          “Ceasefires tend to be used as opportunities for Hamas to re-arm.”

          I find this argument the most ludicrous and dishonest of all, as if to sugegst that Israel isn’t armed to the teeth by the US with the world’s most advanced weaponry.  It demonstrates the distorted depravity of the Zionist mind.

          But what am I thinking?  Only Israel has the right to defend itself right Homphi?

        • potsherd says:

          As opposed to opportunities for Israel to re-arm?

        • Shingo says:

          It just goes to show how Orwellian the terms of this debate have become when Israel arming itself with White Phosphorous and 1000lb bombs is considered acceptable, but Hamas arming itself with garden variety bgottle rockets is an outrage. These Zionists just don’t see the disconnect.

          And if Israel’s hubris wasn’t nauseating enough, Israel are now complaining about the sale of F-15 fighters to Saudi Arabia, ie. a sale where the US gets paid for providing the weapons, while Israel not only whines that this threatens it’s regional military superiority, but Israel is also demanding an increase in military aid.  Add to that the rumors that Israel might be using Saudi Arabia to launch attcks against Iran, and you have to wonder if Zionists aren’t required to undergo a reality bypass as part of their initiation.

      • hophmi says:

        “In February 2009, the United Nations said that a clerical error had led it to report that Israeli mortars had struck a UN-run school in Jabaliya, Gaza, on 6 January killing about 40 people. Maxwell Gaylord, the UN humanitarian co-ordinator in Jerusalem, said that the Israeli Defense Force mortars fell in the street near the compound, and not on the compound itself. He said that the UN ‘would like to clarify that the shelling and all of the fatalities took place outside and not inside the school’. ”
        link to news.bbc.co.uk

        • Shingo says:

          “In February 2009, the United Nations said that a clerical error had led it to report that Israeli mortars had struck a UN-run school in Jabaliya, Gaza, on 6 January killing about 40 people. Maxwell Gaylord, the UN humanitarian co-ordinator in Jerusalem, said that the Israeli Defense Force mortars fell in the street near the compound, and not on the compound itself. He said that the UN ‘would like to clarify that the shelling and all of the fatalities took place outside and not inside the school’. ”

          40 children weer killed and those children happened to be in the school.  I guess that logic could be used to suggest that the suicide attack on the pizza bar wasn’t directed at the patrons, but at the owner of the pizza bar.

          Grow the fuck up Hpmphi.  Israel banned foreign journalists from enteriung Gaza, viloating the ruling of their own supremce court.  This is consistent with Israel wanting to control the propgaqnda and block the facts from emerging.

        • hophmi says:

          Forget it, Shingo.

          40 people were killed, not 40 children. And your analogy makes no sense. But you don’t read, and these things go on forever, so I’ll leave you to your ranting and raving.

        • potsherd says:

          Imagine that a rocket from Gaza had struck outside a school in Sderot and managed to kill 40 Jewish children. Somehow, I don’t think that Israel would find it exculpating that the rocket only struck near the school instead of hitting it point-blank.

        • hophmi says:

          People did not shoot at Palestinians from Sderot.

        • Shingo says:

          Nor would they be taking Hamas’s word for it that they were simply resolving to shellsbrong fired from within the vicinity if that school – especially when all thr fighting
          was taking place in Israel.

        • Shingo says:

          “People did not shoot at Palestinians from Sderot.”‘

          People from all over Israel supported the assacre of 1,400 Gazans and 400 children you fuckwit.

        • Shingo says:

          Go guck yourself Homphi.

          1,400 people were massacred in Gaza, 400 of them chilldren, many incinerated with white phosphorous and you’re obsession with trivia amounts to arguiing what color the curtains were in the school building.

          Israel times the first day of teh atatck on Gaza to coincide with eh hour that children came home from school, thuse ensuring children were among the dead.

          Israel blocked the Red Cross from entering Gaza leaving babies lying in teh arms of their dead monthers.

          You, your macabre ideology and are your sick excuse for a country are a disgreac to humanity.

        • Shingo says:

          “And your analogy makes no sense.”

          It makes no sense to you, because you cannto comprehend any scenario where Israel is has the ovwewhelming firepower, makes the rules, breaks the rule without consequence and enjoys unlimited financial, military and diplomatic support from the US.

          A level playign field is so completely alien to you because of your insuffereable sense of entitlement and supermacy.

        • potsherd says:

          People shoot at Palestinians from Israel. ALL THE TIME.

        • Taxi says:

          AND Israel shoots at Palestinians from PALESTINE too!

        • They shot at Palestinians from Lebanon too. They also shot at them from Europe when Mossad was carrying out assassinations of Palestinian activists.

        • potsherd says:

          What we have in hophmi is a perfect expression of Israeli exceptionalism in its assumption of impunity.

          Israelis get to shoot at people; nobody gets to shoot at Israelis.

          Israelis get to shoot back; Israeli retaliation is called “creating deterrence.” Nobody gets to shoot back at Israelis; Palestinian retaliation is called “terrorism.”

          If an Israeli is killed, Israel’s right to retribution is limitless. If a Palestinian is killed, it’s only what happens all the time.

        • Cliff says:

          People did not shoot at Palestinians from Sderot.

          hophmi, what does this mean? Do ‘people’ shoot rockets at Sderot from Gaza? Or do radicals, Hamas, etc. do so?

          It’s important to be specific. I know you’re trying desperately to be clever.

          Why do ‘people from Sderot’ ‘refrain’ from shooting rockets into Gaza? Why would they even NEED to? They have the IDF doing all that for them. Surely, there could be soldiers in the IDF from Sderot, right?

          Basically, if an Israeli soldier kills a Palestinian in a clear act of terrorism or for arguments sake, ‘murder’ – it’s not the same as Hamas or whomever firing rockets from Gaza into Sderot.

          WHY?

          Israelis don’t need to strap bombs to their chest to get their point across. They have their State and their army and their way all the time.

          When a Zionist carries out a crime, at least from the numerous cases I’ve read, they get off lightly. They can kill and maim and steal w/ virtual immunity w/ respect to how a Palestinian would be dealt w/ for similar crimes.

          People in Sderot don’t need to fire rockets. They can realize their political aspirations through the IDF. Through the occupation and colonization. They can vent their frustrations through the power of being an IDF soldier in the OT. By occupying.

          What an obtuse equivocation. You’re so predictable and shallow.

        • Shingo says:

          Needless to say, no one was firing rockets at Sderot for 4 months in 2008 until Israel decided the ceasefire was going to well and chose to violets it by killing 6 Palestinians.