Out of answers on how to confront BDS, StandWithUs comic book portrays Palestinians (and allies) as vermin, reminiscent of Nazi propaganda

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Well, the pictures really speak for themselves.

StandWithUs has a new supremacist celebration of militant Jewish nationalism and masculinity children’s comic book featuring Captain Israel, who I think we can all agree looks mighty fine in a sparkly silver body suit with matching rhinestone belt and shamelessly appropriated Jewish religious symbols. StandWithUs is on the openly racist end of the mainstream Jewish institutional world. And they’ve given us a new version of an old story-the New Zionist Man (To understand this propaganda in its proper historical context, see below for explanatory text about early Zionism,  Jewish masculinity and Orientalism.)

But it gets better. Perfect, shining Captain Israel needs a diseased, less than human “other” to give him his all-man mojo. Episode 2 will feature Captain Israel’s undoubtedly victorious epic battle against “the venomous” Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions movement -

I wondered what it was about the evil serpent-the colors of the Palestinian flag- that looked so familiar to me?  Where on earth did they get the inspiration to portray the Palestinian and international human rights groups that support the BDS movement as a big, fanged, serpent? As vermin? (And then I remembered I had seen it in different (Genesis inspired) anti-Semitic propaganda about ‘conniving’ Jews, and thought, why not just call them all  “cockroaches” and get it over with? )

A comic book for children, this is really beyond muzzling.  This is about preparing for eradication.

Let’s see how long we have to wait before they get called out by the mainstream Jewish organizations they partner with. Paging Abe Foxman and The Anti-Defamation League. Paging David Harris of the AJC. Paging the Jewish Federations of North America. These people, StandWithUs, call themselves educators. They are educating your children. Our children. As history has shown, and as we Jews know too well, this kind of dehumanization-comparing people to vermin- should never, ever be acceptable.

Anti-Semitic propaganda below:

Left: French Jewish Captain Alan Dreyfus portrayed as a snake, skewered with a dagger saying “traitor”. His case, in which he was wrongly condemned and imprisoned for espionage, inspired then journalist Theodor Herzl to work towards the creation of a Jewish State because he felt it was the only solution to chronic European anti-Semitism.


The poster above?

This vivid poster from the September 1930 Reichstag election summarizes Nazi ideology in a single image. A Nazi sword kills a snake, the blade passing through a red Star of David. The red words coming from the snake are: usury, Versailles, unemployment, war guilt lie, Marxism, Bolshevism, lies and betrayal, inflation, Locarno, Dawes Pact, Young Plan, corruption, Barmat, Kutistker, Sklarek [the last three Jews involved in major financial scandals], prostitution, terror, civil war. Courtesy of Dr. Robert D. Brooks.

And for a little background on early Zionism to give you some tools for appreciating what a throwback  Captain Israel really is. From Raz Yosef of Tel Aviv University’s book, Beyond Flesh:

Zionism was not only a political and ideological program but also a sexual one. The liberation of Jews and creation of a new nation were closely intertwined with a longing for the redemption and normalization of the Jewish male body. That body had to be rescued from anti-Semitic, scientific-medical discourse associating it with disease, madness, degeneracy, sexual perversity, and femininity even with homosexuality. The Zionist movement was intent on transforming the very nature of European Jewish masculinity as it had existed in the diaspora. Zionist/Israeli films expressed this desire through visual and narrative tropes, enforcing the image of the hypermasculine, colonialist-explorer and militaristic nation-builder, an image dependent on the homophobic repudiation of the “feminine” within men.

The creation of a new heterosexual Jewish man was further intertwined with attitudes on the breeding of children, bodily hygiene, racial improvement, and Orientalist perspectives which associated the East, and especially Eastern bodies, with unsanitary practices, plagues, disease, and sexual perversity. By stigmatizing Israels Eastern populations as agents of death and degeneration, Zionism created internal biologized enemies, against whom the Zionist society had to defend itself. In the name of securing the life and reproduction of the new Ashkenazi Jewry, Israeli society discriminated against both its internal enemies, the Palestinians, and its own citizens, the Mizrahim (Oriental Jews).

Left: from Nazi newspaper Der Sturmer.

This post originally appeared on the Jewish Voice for Peace blog Muzzlewatch.

112 Responses

  1. Chespirito
    January 13, 2011, 9:08 am

    ¡Ay dios mio! This reminds me of “Biclops”, a superhero comic put out by the American Eyewear Association in an episode of the Simpsons years ago that featured a bespectacled hero. Bart and Millhous by several gross of them while running the local comic book store and don’t move a single copy. They go bankrupt I think.
    Cappy Israel looks to be right up there with Biclops in terms of desperate lameness, and in terms of thoroughgoing ineffectuality as propaganda. Would any kid want to read this crap? I wouldn’t worry about any young minds being corrupted here folks. Oh hasbarites, where is your game?

    • kalithea
      January 13, 2011, 12:47 pm

      What do you mean by “Cappy” Israel?

      • Woody Tanaka
        January 16, 2011, 1:51 pm

        I assume “Cappy” as in short for “Captain,” (after Captain America’s nickname “Cappy”)

  2. Ethan Heitner
    January 13, 2011, 9:18 am

    If you’re looking for something to wash the taste of that out of your eyeballs, and enjoy some bitingly hilarious satire of zionist propaganda, may I suggest the cartoons of Eli Valley?
    Specifically, the antidote to this one would be
    “Israel Man and Diaspora Boy”
    link to evcomics.com

    Also, humbly, my own contributions to the fine art of comic books for justice, the story of Abdallah Abu Rahmah:
    link to freedomfunnies.com
    (toot toot)

    • Walid
      January 13, 2011, 9:51 am

      Great contribution, Ethan, loved it.

    • Les
      January 13, 2011, 10:23 am

      Thanks for the link.

      How many remember WWI era anti-semitic images of Eastern European Jews, their Jewishness made evident not just by the yarmulkes and Stars of Davids they wore, but by their swarthy complexions, ragged beards, big noses and ears, and the angry expressions on their faces. These same racist anti-semitic images are commonplace in today’s media, with everything pretty much the same as before except that in today’s political cartoons the men are dressed as Middle Eastern mullahs.

      • Psychopathic god
        January 13, 2011, 3:03 pm

        Everywhere we travelled in Iran we say many young Iranian men and fewer young women who had nose jobs. A few years ago Iran.com wrote that many people in the region travel to Iran for cosmetic surgery because Iranians do it very well and it’s cheap.

        It’s not just a Jew thing.

    • Taxi
      January 13, 2011, 10:32 am

      Ethan you’re brilliant.

    • annie
      January 13, 2011, 11:20 am

      excellent comic ethan, toot more!

      • James North
        January 13, 2011, 12:04 pm

        Great link, Ethan!

    • Citizen
      January 13, 2011, 1:06 pm

      Yeah Valley’s stuff is great! Consider that the original comic book heros like Superman came from American Jews at a time when Hitler was in power; they were a form of wishful thinking. Remember how Superman came to be, and remember how baby Moses was set adrift in the basket boat? And now, as BDS gains traction, out comes Captain Israel to save the day! Next expect a new version of Spiderman combining the nerd Woodie Allen with the Jewish GI “The Bear” smashing heads under the supervision of a handsome billbilly who’s mission is to kill Nazis. Perhaps the new Spidi could have AIPAC emblazoned on his chest?
      Also consider that the Nazi posters of the new Aryan man were very much an antidote to the beaten and humiliated downtrodden German left over from WW1 after that famous boxcar meeting Hitler made such a point of restaging after the fall of France.

      Check out the snake here (and the octopus too): link to fcit.usf.edu

      How about Captain America? link to stlcomics.com

      Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center pressured a South Korean publisher to pull comic books portraying Jewish control of the American government back in 2007. Seems the S Koreans were the proverbial frog in the well who came up with that concept of childish reality all by themselves and Cooper had to show them Nazi comics so they could see outside their insular well.

      • Citizen
        January 13, 2011, 1:38 pm

        Why would South Koreans like to read comic books depicting not only Jews but America in general as evil? Here’s some valuable information on this subject–don’t forget to read the comment thread too:
        link to gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com

      • RoHa
        January 13, 2011, 7:22 pm

        Interesting that American Jews could produce such great apparently-Gentile heroes, but the (not all American) attempts at explicitly Jewish superheroes (Sabraman, Shaloman, etc.) were just pathetic.

        link to internationalhero.co.uk

        link to internationalhero.co.uk

    • Chu
      January 13, 2011, 4:52 pm

      I always like his comics. wacky and zany.
      bucky schvitz for hire!

    • Tali
      January 25, 2011, 12:50 pm

      Ethan, that’s brilliant! And now it’s all over my facebook :))

  3. Chu
    January 13, 2011, 9:56 am

    Lame.

  4. Potsherd2
    January 13, 2011, 10:05 am

    I wonder if Abe Foxman has seen this.

  5. Amar
    January 13, 2011, 10:47 am

    I have a feeling many Israelis will be embarrassed by it. It almost appears to be satiric.

    • Potsherd2
      January 13, 2011, 10:59 am

      It does, doesn’t it!

    • Citizen
      January 13, 2011, 1:51 pm

      Satiric? How ever do you get that impression?

      CAPTAIN ISRAEL:
      Origin: Captain Israel started the SuperJews and dedicated his life to defending Israel after watching a documentary on the Munich Olympic tragedy. He was an American volunteer in the IDF and has become an expert in Krav Maga, an elite form of Israeli martial arts.

      Powers: A skillful bargainer who often talks his way out of perilous situations, Captain Israel ’s grizzled exterior belies a youthful idealism for making the world a better place. He trains daily at the gym and swears by a balanced diet of salty fish and ritual grape juice. On any given day he can be found providing extra security for Birthright trips, marching in Israel Day parades or speaking on college campuses.
       
      Personality: A reserved guy with a dry sense of humor, he’s a fan of fine single malts and fast machines. He can be charming, earning a slot on a “Top 10 Eligible Bachelors” list in a national tabloid. He can’t resist an opportunity to make impassioned pro-Israel speeches, and his eyes moisten when he hears HaTikvah. He teams up with Beth L to host a community Passover Seder.
       
      Occupation: Captain Israel ’s alter ego as a global communications consultant gives him free rein to travel to all corners of the world to assess Jewish needs. He is the Middle East security expert for a “current events” think tank, and often provides the SuperJews with the intelligence they need to start a mission.

      Captain Israel is associated with the UJC Federations. He has a squad of super helpers, the SuperJews: Beth L, Judah The Giant, Queen Kabbalah, Eternal Light, and Mega Mensch
      link to teamsuperjews.ujcweb.org

      • Chu
        January 13, 2011, 4:58 pm

        Do you remember when they came out with a television show called superjew? Never saw one episode, but it was about a decade ago.

        >looked up the old sitcom but found this funnier piece instead:
        jew jetting

  6. annie
    January 13, 2011, 11:23 am

    hm, look at the size of that serpent. i guess they are perceiving bds as a real threat.

    i find this startlingly bizarre. are they this tone deaf?

    brilliant write up cecilie

    • Chaos4700
      January 13, 2011, 11:25 am

      hm, look at the size of that serpent.

      I think they’re compensating for something. ;)

      • Walid
        January 13, 2011, 12:22 pm

        Chaos, it’s the steroids that the captain is using.

      • Chaos4700
        January 13, 2011, 6:44 pm

        Ah, yes. I’ve heard those tend to have a “borrow from Peter to give to Paul” effect on… er… girth.

      • RoHa
        January 13, 2011, 10:12 pm

        I just went to the website, and I was struck by CI’s pose in the “For Israel” scene, where he is clutching a long menorah. To me, that pose seems a bit … well … is there some PC way of saying “effeminate”?

  7. Chaos4700
    January 13, 2011, 11:23 am

    What, it wasn’t enough that Israel has stolen Albert Einstein from us, now they have to steal Samuel Clemons as well?

    They have to steal land, they have to steal water, they have to steal lives even, and apparently, Israel is so morally bankrupt they have to steal cultural icons, too.

  8. marc b.
    January 13, 2011, 11:59 am

    captian israel, whose facial features are identical to those of past gentile superheros of american comics, taken with the symbolism of the snake, deceitful, pathological, is just too much. the publishers of this dreck cannot be so stupid as to be unaware of the similarity between their comic and european anti-semitic propaganda of the 19th-20th century. (see also link to en.wikipedia.org – Theweleit’s ‘Male Fantasies’ has a brilliant illustration of an unclothed german soldier coming face-to-face with a prone, diseased prostitute whose upper body is transformed into a serpent, the serpent symbolizing syphilis.) they have completely adopted 19th-century ideals of racial purity. no equality among the ‘races’ or a one-state solution for these superheroes.

    i can’t wait to read about captain israel’s life-and-death battle with the 6-foot gentile sperm, his star-of-david shield as prophylactic. what an issue that will be!

  9. Citizen
    January 13, 2011, 2:09 pm

    Witty might like the subject comic book; he might even view it as a good learning tool for Jewish youth after paging through the first issue. OTOH, Grown-ups might actually like to view a real Captain Israel: link to youtube.com

  10. Mooser
    January 13, 2011, 2:31 pm

    Funny, he doesn’t look Jewish!

    Look, somebody’s gotta say it. “Capt. Israel” doesn’t look Jewish.

    Maybe he’s a ringer. Me, I think he’s “peruvian”.

    • Citizen
      January 13, 2011, 5:35 pm

      Hey, he’s Captain Israel, not Captain Jew. See Eli Valley for the image distinction.

  11. Les
    January 13, 2011, 2:55 pm

    Is there a comic book for Jews who are not white?

  12. Ael
    January 13, 2011, 3:28 pm

    Anyone notice how they drew the good captain’s map of Israel?

    No lines for the Golan and a cleverly arranged star over the vital bits.

    • annie
      January 13, 2011, 3:43 pm

      cleverly arranged star over the vital bits.

      all of jerusalem and then some.

    • Light
      January 13, 2011, 5:07 pm

      Israel officially annexed the Golan in 1981 and StandWithUS supports the Israeli position.

  13. Shingo
    January 13, 2011, 4:04 pm

    It looks like the Hasbarats won’t be able to complain about Hamas anti semtic cartoons anymore.

    • RoHa
      January 13, 2011, 7:10 pm

      Don’t be naive, Shingo.

      Nothing will stop the Hasbarists from complaining about anything they want to complain about.

  14. Colin Murray
    January 13, 2011, 6:04 pm

    A comic book for children, this is really beyond muzzling. This is about preparing for eradication.

    Israel’s Orthodox Rabbis: ‘Palestinians to the Ovens!’

  15. pjdude
    January 13, 2011, 7:00 pm

    well its nice to see the golden age of comics lives on in Israel with all its bigotry and perfect to the inhuman charaters.

    to cecilie

    while I agree that trying to use palestinian colors on the snake looks like and probably is a expression of Israeli hate red’s green’s and black are common colors in the reptile world.

    • RoHa
      January 13, 2011, 10:07 pm

      But the head of the snake is coloured to represent the Palestinian flag.
      The red is a triangle, with a white stripe leading to the mouth.
      There is a black stripe above the white, and a green one below it.
      That is no accident.

      • pjdude
        January 13, 2011, 11:15 pm

        the snake looks fairly similar to a green annaconda I’m not saying your wrong in that its a negative stereotype but the fact it looks well like a normal snake makes it hard to complain.

      • Citizen
        January 14, 2011, 7:53 am

        Yeah right, pjdude, better take another gander at the suit of the hero fighting it.

      • tree
        January 15, 2011, 4:39 pm

        the snake looks fairly similar to a green annaconda

        No offense, but it doesn’t. The cartoon snake has a rattle on its tail, which anacondas don’t have. The head shape is different. Its markings don’t resemble those of the green anaconda (no red triangles, etc.), and the anaconda is not a venomous snake- its a constrictor.

        link to animals.nationalgeographic.com

  16. hophmi
    January 13, 2011, 7:16 pm

    Uh, you said something about comparing Palestinians to vermin up there? Where was that part?

    Comparing the BDS movement to a snake is not racist propaganda, Cecilie. It’s also not racist to depict the snake in Green and that favorite Palestinian color of ‘ole, pink.

    No one is preventing you from responding to it. So it’s not muzzling, and being firmly and strongly against BDS is not “preparing for eradication.”

    I think maybe you’re a little upset you didn’t think of having a comic book first.

    • annie
      January 13, 2011, 8:01 pm

      I think maybe you’re a little upset you didn’t think of having a comic book first.

      oh yeah because jewish voices for peace is all about depicting israel as a blue and white fanged serpent/not

    • Chaos4700
      January 13, 2011, 8:06 pm

      So was it racist to depict Jews as snakes?

      • yonira
        January 15, 2011, 2:07 am

        BDS is a movement, not a group of people or ethnicity.

    • Cliff
      January 13, 2011, 8:20 pm

      The cartoon depicts BDS as a snake. Not just a snake, but a Palestinian snake, by the color.

      We don’t have to play games here. Bottom-line is that it’s hate-mongering. It’s fear-mongering. It’s hateful. It’s propaganda.

      You like to say ‘no one is preventing you from making your own [insert our version of ridiculous Zio-stunt]’ as if that’s the issue.

      You intentionally miss the point, over and over. Or you downplay blatant narrow-mindedness, hate, and downright stupidity from your side.

    • Potsherd2
      January 13, 2011, 8:55 pm

      And the evil black criminal mask, hophmi?

    • Citizen
      January 14, 2011, 7:56 am

      Exactly, hophmi, and depicting Judea as a snake or octopus back in the day was not racist propaganda either.

      • hophmi
        January 14, 2011, 10:53 am

        But it’s not directed at a particular ethnic group. It’s directed at the BDS movement. It’s different.

      • Shmuel
        January 14, 2011, 11:00 am

        Maybe it’s the new anti-Palestinianism.

      • Chaos4700
        January 14, 2011, 11:02 am

        I love how the propaganda shifts and squirms when needed. “These human rights organizations are funded by ARAB MONEY! / Look, it isn’t just Arabs who are anti-Semites, so obviously we’re not targeting them.”

        The snake has the colors of the Palestinian flag. Rationalize that.

      • hophmi
        January 14, 2011, 11:52 am

        “The snake has the colors of the Palestinian flag. Rationalize that.”

        The Palestinian flag is not pink. It’s not gray, either. Both are present in the drawing of the snake.

        Many snakes are green. And green is also the color of Hamas.

        But sure, it can be rationalized. BDS is a “Palestinian-led” movement, as all of you always remind us. So why shouldn’t the colors of the Palestinian flag be reflected in this cartoon?

      • Chaos4700
        January 14, 2011, 12:12 pm

        That’s what you’re reduced to? Arguing semantics about color? “That isn’t red! It’s salmon! Black? That’s charcoal!”

        And then there’s your rationalization. So if it’s OK to use Palestinian colors on a snake in your mind, why do you consider it anti-Semitic to put the Star of David on an octopus? (And before you try that non sequitar, I find both deeply anti-Semitic and offensive, thank you very much.)

      • Cliff
        January 14, 2011, 6:29 pm

        The Palestinian flag is not pink. It’s not gray, either. Both are present in the drawing of the snake.

        Many snakes are green. And green is also the color of Hamas.

        This is absolutely FALSE.

        Plain false. The snake is colored with the colors of the Palestinian flag. STOP trying to say “oh there’s pink in there” (NO, there isnt, its 3 basic colors, and the shade of the RED is simply light). Stop trying to say “oh blah blah green = Hamas too” because OBVIOUSLY (again, for any rational person), there is a COMBINATION OF COLORS and not simply one (green).

        You aren’t just being dishonest hophmi, you’re blatantly lying (to yourself).

        Jesus christ…

      • lysias
        January 14, 2011, 9:15 pm

        If you don’t like the comparison to Der Stürmer, do you have anything against comparisons to Krokodil, the old Soviet “humor” magazine that ran loathsome caricatures of capitalists?

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 1:53 am

        Wow, man, you really want it to be the Palestinian flag, don’t you?

        As I said above, it really doesn’t matter either way, because the snake represents BDS, and not the Palestinian people or Palestine.

      • annie
        January 15, 2011, 1:57 am

        hophmi, belch all you want but people are not stupid. bottom line it doesn’t matter what we say it matters what people think and believe me they will think it is the Palestinian people or Palestine

        train left the station already.

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 2:04 am

        “hophmi, belch all you want but people are not stupid. bottom line it doesn’t matter what we say it matters what people think and believe me they will think it is the Palestinian people or Palestine”

        I didn’t think so. I thought it was the BDS movement. Know why? Because it says in big letter on the snake “BDS”.

        It seems to me that none of you get this exercised by antisemitic cartoons in the Arab world or cartoons that employ the Star of David in nasty ways in the Western press.

      • yonira
        January 15, 2011, 2:09 am

        aren’t the majority of snakes green? I think you guys are reaching, throw in a Holocaust analogy and…… oh wait that was the basis of the post… . n/m

      • annie
        January 15, 2011, 2:09 am

        It seems to me that none of you get this exercised by antisemitic cartoons in the Arab world or cartoons that employ the Star of David in nasty ways in the Western press.

        post some and try us out. frankly tho, i find this comic highly amusing. comical actually. what’s not to get exercised about? it’s funny while disgusting. oh, what ” Star of David in nasty ways in the Western press.”. ??? what and where? i saw the newyorker comic cover of obama and michelle where we were directed to laugh at all the references to islam but i missed the ‘jokes’ about the star of david.

      • tree
        January 15, 2011, 4:02 am

        Actually, the snake seems to represent the “extremists” behind BDS, according to the copy that accompanies the picture.

        And if you look at that Nazi poster from 1930, the snake on that poster doesn’t represent Jews if we use hophmi’s reasoning. After all, the Star of David is red, not blue. And the snake is labeled ” usury, Versailles, unemployment, war guilt lie, Marxism, Bolshevism, lies and betrayal, inflation, Locarno, Dawes Pact, Young Plan, corruption, Barmat, Kutistker, Sklarek [the last three Jews involved in major financial scandals], prostitution, terror, civil war, ” so it isn’t labeling all Jews as snakes, just those 3 involved in financial scandals, and a whole bunch of other things, but not Jews. Of course, the subtext is something more malevolent than that, but I don’t think hophmi believes in subtext, or perhaps recognizing subtext is another example of his double standards.

        Also, the cartoon doesn’t even understand the term “snake charmer” otherwise it wouldn’t use the term “venomous snake charmer BDS”. A snake charmer is a person who “charms” snakes. Its not s sweet talking serpent.

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 8:08 am

        Except that Jews weren’t really responsible for any of those things on the list, and Palestinians do lead the BDS movement, assuming you are correct about the colors, which you are not, because pink is not a Palestinian color. It’s the color of the snake’s tongue. And as we said above, snakes are often green.

        Of course, we could just find the cartoonist and ask him.

      • Cliff
        January 15, 2011, 9:46 am

        Again, you are being dishonest.

        The colors come as a combination and not as one.

        Black, White, Green, and Red.

        All of those colors are present on the snake.

        Its OBVIOUSLY colored as the Palestinian flag.

        You keep fixating on the pinkish tone as some sort of evidence to the contrary but ONCE AGAIN, the point is that its a combination of the colors = the colors of the flag.

        This is seriously the most shameless display of partisanship I’ve seen so far from your lot, on this blog.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 9:47 am

        And BDS represents Palestinians in the minds of racist Zionists.

        The Ramallah-based Palestinian BDS National Committee, an umbrella organization for dozens of Palestinian organizations supported by the Palestinian Authority, is a global movement. Behind anti-Israel actions by churches, unions and student groups, it is aided by the Muslim Brotherhood, with branches in 70 countries, and hundreds of campus and civic/social organizations and anti-Israel NGOs.

        link to ynetnews.com

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 9:49 am

        You sound like Sarah Palin, hophmi, when you go so far into denial mode.

      • Cliff
        January 15, 2011, 9:50 am

        Here is a Palestinian flag:

        link to irishelectionliterature.files.wordpress.com

        Here is the color, pink:

        link to 4.bp.blogspot.com

        Now, look at the snake in the comic above.

        You ask anyone, who isn’t a hardcore supporter of Israel OR the Palestinians, what do you think they would say?

        And that’s providing you’d need those parameters in the first place. You don’t. It’s common sense.

      • annie
        January 15, 2011, 10:07 am

        This is seriously the most shameless display of partisanship I’ve seen so far from your lot, on this blog.

        surely you jest. this is par for the course around here. rightwing blathering goes on 24/7 at this blog.

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 10:32 am

        I’m not in denial mode; as I said, I’m not sure you’re right, and even if you are right, I don’t believe depicting the BDS movement as a snake, even with Palestinian colors, is racist.

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 10:34 am

        “You ask anyone, who isn’t a hardcore supporter of Israel OR the Palestinians, what do you think they would say?

        And that’s providing you’d need those parameters in the first place. You don’t. It’s common sense.”

        I have no idea. I don’t consider myself a hardcore anything, but I don’t think anyone here qualifies as an unbiased party.

        I think the best thing to do is find the artist and ask him, rather than jumping to conclusions.

        But again, sorry to repeat myself, depicting a political movement like BDS this way is not really racist, much as I recognize it is to your benefit to depict it that way.

      • Chaos4700
        January 15, 2011, 10:43 am

        You know, we shouldn’t waste time quibbling with hophmi about this anyway. He already rationalized it by stating his belief that even if he thought those were the colors of the Palestinian flag, it would make perfect sense because Palestinians are the Arab puppet masters of the BDS movement.

        So really, why not let him argue, “That’s not supposed to represent Palestinians! But if it did, that would make perfect sense because you guys always fall for Pallywood and the vast Arab lobby and the conspiracy to launch a second Holocaust.”

        I say let him dig his own hole. Our point has been amply made.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 11:23 am

        So you don’t believe that the Nazi depiction of Jews as snakes was racist as well? The world disagrees with you.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 11:29 am

        hophmi, I’m sure the artist would just say, “Sure, that’s what I meant, after all, I’m a racist Jew.”

        This is like the dog whistle thing, with you sticking your fingers in your ears so you can’t hear the whistle that everyone else hears quite easily. It’s willful denial because you apparently can’t accept that that a Zionist organization would employ racist imagery copied from Nazi propaganda, even with the evidence in front of you.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 11:32 am

        But again, sorry to repeat myself, depicting a political movement like BDS this way is not really racist

        OK, Zionism is a political movement. Suppose I do a cartoon showing a figure with a hooked nose, black hat and beard wearing a star of david and biting off the head of a Palestinian child. And I put a label on the figure that says “Zionism.” And that makes it not really racist, right?

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 2:32 pm

        Well, the Guardian had a cartoon pretty much like that with Ariel Sharon a few years back.

        And my guess is that you’d accuse me of “whining” or some other nonsense if I said it was bigoted.

      • tree
        January 15, 2011, 4:25 pm

        Except that Jews weren’t really responsible for any of those things on the list

        But the Nazi cartoon doesn’t say that “the Jews” were responsible for any of those things on the list. And the Star of David isn’t red. Again, you are using two different standards to judge the cartoons. Subtext in the Nazi cartoon is a factor in your judgment of it. You deny any subtext in the Captain Israel cartoon.

        Palestinians do lead the BDS movement

        Earlier you said,

        But it’s not directed at a particular ethnic group.

        So have you changed your mind now? The snake does represent the Palestinians? Or are you just making up your arguments ad hoc, regardless of whether they contradict each other or not?

        The cartoon is actually depicting the “extremists” (the cartoon word) behind BDS as venomous snakes. And the snake as depicted most resembles a rattlesnake in form. Look at the tail and the flattened head. But rattlesnakes are not green, nor do the have red triangles on their heads.

        It’s the color of the snake’s tongue.

        The tongue is pink, which is lighter than the red on the body of the snake. The head has a red triangle on it, just like the Palestinian flag. If you are trying to say that the color of the tongue is the same as the color on the snake’s body then you might be colorblind, or just willfully blind.

        And as we said above, snakes are often green.

        You may have said it, but that doesn’t make it true. Green is not the most prevalent color in snakes. Brown is. Green is a rare color in snakes, in most places other than rain forests. Think about it. How long would a bright green snake last in the desert with no suitable camouflage? In the US, none of the 4 venomous snakes have green anywhere on their bodies. As I said, look at the tail. Its a rattlers tail. Rattlesnakes aren’t green with red triangles. They aren’t green, period.

        If you want to provide us with a picture of a real live venomous green snake with black and white on it and a red triangle on its head, then your argument MAY have some validity. But there is no such creature, so this is just another example of your knee-jerk defense of the indefensible.

      • Cliff
        January 15, 2011, 4:44 pm

        it really doesnt matter, the guy is color blind – so he can’t be racist!

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 5:02 pm

        hophmi – Well, the Guardian had a cartoon pretty much like that with Ariel Sharon a few years back.

        I’d be likely to say that it was evoking Nazi imagery.

        As for example the cartoon on the DesertPeace site [and I do in general support this site] used an image of Jews that also evoked that imagery.

      • Woody Tanaka
        January 16, 2011, 1:58 pm

        “cartoons that employ the Star of David in nasty ways in the Western press.”

        Once Israel chose to adopt it as a political symbol, it lost the right to complain about how others use it; there is no “nasty” way to depict a political symbol.

    • Chu
      January 14, 2011, 10:20 am

      they should have been cockroaches instead.
      It’s a much more effective image. and Capt Israel
      should have a flame thrower.

  17. Gellian
    January 13, 2011, 7:30 pm

    You guys are missing the point. You need to get copies of this comic book now and hoard them. Someday they’ll be in museums of intolerance, and worth a lot of money. Yeah!

    By the way, go to the website and check the top of page 6 in the comic book. There’s a drawing of the U.N. in the upper left corner. I swear when I first looked at it, I thought it was a picture of the apartheid wall.

    Could that be purely accidental? Or could there really be some subversive/satirical element to the thing?

  18. Cliff
    January 13, 2011, 8:23 pm

    I want a copy of this. Autographed by Elie Wiesel, Pam Gellar, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, that crazy professor from Israel who likes to reference the Koran and Jerusalem not being mentioned, etc.

  19. RoHa
    January 13, 2011, 10:13 pm

    On the other hand, Desertpeace has a cartoon about Jew hatred.

    link to desertpeace.wordpress.com

  20. tree
    January 14, 2011, 1:18 am

    …and thought, why not just call them all “cockroaches” and get it over with?

    Already been done. Rafael Eitan, then Chief of Staff and mastermind of the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, responsible, along with Ariel Sharon, for the massacre at Sabra and Shatila refugee camps:

    “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.”—Rafael Eitan, April 14, 1983

  21. Tuyzentfloot
    January 14, 2011, 8:06 am

    JSF has caught on as well link to jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com . So apparently the next step, now that censorship no longer works and rightwing zionism becomes a target for satire, is a preemptive unilateral attack on satire itself. And indeed one should ask if after this it is still possible to satirize this stuff.

    Eli Valley’s career is over, I’m telling ya!

  22. hophmi
    January 15, 2011, 10:41 am

    The name of the artist is Arlen Schumer. I have written to him to ask about the colors of the snake. I will let you know what he says.

    • annie
      January 15, 2011, 11:32 am

      The name of the artist is Arlen Schumer. I have written to him to ask about the colors of the snake.

      as i stated earlier hophmi, what the artist intends is irrelevant. it’s what the audience associates it with. same w/palin’s crosshairs and bull’s eyes. she can bellyache all she wants she didn’t intend to incite or call for their deaths but what’s relevant is what people see and think when they see those images.

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 2:34 pm

        “what’s relevant is what people see and think when they see those images.”

        Exactly. The vast majority of people who see this will not make the same associations you guys do. They will see the snake as representing the BDS movement, because it says on the snake that it represents the BDS movement.

    • Sumud
      January 15, 2011, 11:36 am

      Oh gawd.

      Do ya rooly thunk it’s a coincidence Captain Israel is blue & white? Obviously not, and neither is it a coincidence the snake has the colours appearing in the Palestinian flag (and commonly used on other arab flags).

    • Potsherd2
      January 15, 2011, 11:38 am

      “Hey, Arlen, you’re not really a racist who drew a snake meant to portray Palestinians, right?”

  23. hophmi
    January 15, 2011, 4:06 pm

    Arlen says the colors are meant to depict the Palestinian flag.

    You guys were right; I was wrong.

    My opinion, however, stands; there is nothing racist about depicting BDS this way, since BDS depicts itself as a Palestinian-led movement, and since the snake is not meant to represent the Palestinians themselves.

    • tree
      January 15, 2011, 4:49 pm

      ..since the snake is not meant to represent the Palestinians themselves.

      Which, of course, is why the artist chose to use the Palestinian flag, which represents all Palestinians, to represent the snake, right? Oh wait… That means that the snake WAS meant to represent the Palestinians themselves.

    • Shmuel
      January 15, 2011, 4:56 pm

      Arlen says the colors are meant to depict the Palestinian flag … My opinion, however, stands

      Your unshakable faith is admirable. Did Arlen happen to say whether the pattern on the lower part of the snake was meant to evoke the Palestinian keffiyeh? Just wondering.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 5:05 pm

        You know, for a hate graphic, that snake is quite well-executed.

      • Shmuel
        January 15, 2011, 5:18 pm

        There’s another thing I was wondering about. The image of the ghastly giant snake trying to devour brave Cpt. Israel and all that dripping blood (yes, I know, part of the genre) are meant to denote extreme violence on the part of the BDS movement and Palestinians in general (sorry, Hophmi), and is in itself extremely violent. Yet the best the artist/author could come up with for the acronym BDS was “bigotry, divisiveness and slander”? What gives? That kind of language is far more Woody Allen nebbish than Cpt. Israel derring-do. Why not something like “blood, death and slaughter”, which would have been far more in sync with the image? Maybe because the deadly violence of BDS is harder to explain convincingly in words.

      • tree
        January 15, 2011, 5:48 pm

        Why not something like “blood, death and slaughter”, which would have been far more in sync with the image?

        Good point. I understand why Don appointed you Minister of Etruscan Slogans. ;-) You have a flair, as they say.

      • Shmuel
        January 15, 2011, 6:20 pm

        Thanks, tree. I guess Etruscans and comics just bring out the best in me.

        Let me take this opportunity to thank Don for the singular honour he has bestowed on me in the name of the Etruscan people.

        Next year in Tarquinia!

    • Cliff
      January 15, 2011, 6:18 pm

      It’s so sad you had to ask the guy.

      This is like when eee was asking whether the Palestinians in a video in which they were abused, were ‘baiting’ the IDF soldiers.

      Again, shameless degenerate partisanship.

      In this case, you apparently cannot see four colors at once, but have no trouble distinguishing one color at a time.

      In eee’s case, if an IDF soldier, a soldier in the occupying army, whose country is colonizing another people’s land is ‘baited’ into hitting civilians, then its ok.

      Both of you reflexively sided w/ ‘Israel’ in the most counter-productive way. You’re not making yourself look good, but maybe there is some honesty in your dishonesty. Can’t say I envy such blind unwavering support to a colonial ideology.

      Oh, blah blah darfur, sudan, islam, blah blah.

      • hophmi
        January 15, 2011, 7:19 pm

        “Again, shameless degenerate partisanship”

        Get off your high horse. This whole site is shameless degenerate partisanship. The only difference is that I admit when I am wrong.

        Most of world will not recognize that this is a Palestinian flag. Most of the world could not care less.

        Honestly, I can’t believe the whining over a snake. It’s amazing you people get this worked up over something like this and then accused others of whining.

      • Chaos4700
        January 15, 2011, 9:15 pm

        It’s shameless degenerate partisanship because you’re here Nakba denying and making excuses for war crimes.

        You’re the one that propagated this whole stupid argument! You’re the one who got worked up over it! You posted two new threads about it and harangued the original artist over his depiction. Don’t project your dithering onto us. This was all you, hophmi.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 9:58 pm

        The world rightfully got worked up about the original Jew-snakes. Are you saying they shouldn’t have? That Nazi antisemitic graphics should have been dismissed as insignificant, ignored? That the Jews should have just shut up and stopped whining about it?

      • Cliff
        January 16, 2011, 1:14 pm

        Most of world will not recognize that this is a Palestinian flag. Most of the world could not care less.

        Most of the world is a bit broad. I don’t know who you mean by that. I do know that most reasonable people who are presented with the aforementioned snake and a Palestinian flag will be able to see the connection. Again, this has nothing to do with politics – it’s COMMON SENSE. Are you unable to see more than one color at a time? You should be embarrassed.

        Honestly, I can’t believe the whining over a snake. It’s amazing you people get this worked up over something like this and then accused others of whining.

        Any kind of reaction we may have, or a Palestinian may have to any kind of threat will be characterized as whining by you or otherwise downplayed. That’s just how you are. You’ve already proven yourself to be completely blinded (literally) by your ideology.

        No, I’m not partisan and I’m not preaching anything special.

        I’m literally talking about 4 colors on a snake in a political cartoon.

        Finally, you said no one would recognize that snake as colored as the Palestinian flag, even though A) it’s clearly colored that way and B) the artist confirmed so.

        I have still yet to see a respectable voice from your camp post on this blog. You are tremendously dishonest. Shamelessly dishonest.

    • Chaos4700
      January 15, 2011, 6:44 pm

      You guys were right; I was wrong.

      And the rest of your post is chaff.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 7:07 pm

        Now, Chaos. Most of our Zionists won’t even say that much.

      • Chaos4700
        January 15, 2011, 8:33 pm

        Yes, but am I wrong? I think I’m merely impolite and blunt.

      • annie
        January 15, 2011, 9:07 pm

        i generally appreciate it when someone admits they are wrong.

      • Chaos4700
        January 15, 2011, 9:13 pm

        I don’t. It’s tiresome and it isn’t like he apologized for wasting our time. I’ll note the few times I’ve been forced to concede that I was wrong, I paired that up with a suitable apology.

      • Potsherd2
        January 15, 2011, 9:55 pm

        I think I’m merely impolite and blunt.

        So you are! But I’m not going to argue with hophmi when he admits he’s wrong on one point, at least.

  24. Potsherd2
    January 15, 2011, 4:59 pm

    since the snake is not meant to represent the Palestinians themselves.

    Wrong there, too.

    Moreover, the readers will certainly see it that way even if, as is certainly not the case, they were not meant to.

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