The Neverending Story: Updates on the fantasies, falsehoods, and fear-mongering about Iran’s nuclear program

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On October 26, 2004, Trita Parsi, founder and president of the National Iranian American Council, conducted an interview for his book “Treacherous Alliance – The Secret Dealings of Iran, Israel and the United States” (published three years later) with Shlomo Brom, a researcher at the Tel Aviv-based Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies. Brom spoke of the Israeli government and military’s use of “worst-case scenarios” to advance its own propaganda. “It’s much easier to give worst-case scenarios,” he said. “It usually serves the personal interest of the planner. Because if you are giving the worst-case prophecy, then when it is not realized, everyone is happy. No one remembers it. But when it is realized, you can always say, ‘I told you so.’” Parsi writes that Brom, who had previously served as director of the Strategic Planning Division in the Planning Branch of the General Staff of the IDF, “had been part of the Israeli intelligence apparatus when it systematically overestimated, and at times exaggerated, Iran’s nuclear capabilities.” He quotes Brom as admitting,

“Remember, the Iranians are always five to seven years from the bomb. Time passes but they’re always five to seven years from the bomb.” (p. 167)

It has been over four months since I wrote, “The Phantom Menace: Fantasies, Falsehoods, and Fear-Mongering about Iran’s Nuclear Program,” a time-line of false U.S., Israeli, and European assertions regarding the supposed inevitability and immediacy of a nuclear-armed Iran, hysterical allegations that have been made repeatedly for the past thirty years.  Whenever new predictions and claims about Iran’s nuclear program are released, I have added updates to my original piece.

To read all 35 updates, click here.

Here are the latest:

UPDATE XXXIII: Israeli Fear-Mongering about Iran Faces a Barak-lash

May 4, 2011 - Sometimes Ehud Barak has trouble staying on message. Last year in Herzliya, he warned of Israel becoming an apartheid state like South Africa, a usually verboten analogy among Zionist officials, unless a viable Palestinian state is created soon. “As long as in this territory west of the Jordan river there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic,” Barak said. “If this bloc of millions of ­Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state.” Whoops.

This time around, however, Barak pulled the rug out from under Israel’s favorite scare tactic. The former Israeli Prime Minister/current Minister of Defense/Deputy Prime Minister told Ha’aretz today that even “[i]f Iran succeeds in developing nuclear weapons, it is unlikely to bomb Israel,” thereby undermining one of the Netanyahu administration’s main propaganda lines that a nuclear-armed Iran (if one ever were to exist) would represent an immediate “existential threat” to the self-proclaimed Jewish state.

According to Ha’aretz, Barak voiced his opinion that “Israel should not spread public panic about the Iranian nuclear program and responded to a question about whether he thought Iran would launch a nuclear attack on Israel by saying, “Not on us and not on any other neighbor.”

Just a few days ago, on May 1, both Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Israeli President Shimon Peres repeated their dire warnings and tired talking points about the supposed Iranian threat. Speaking at the opening ceremony of Holocaust Memorial Day at Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial to Jewish victims of Nazi genocide, Netanyahu and Peres both “stressed Iranian nuclear aspirations as an existential threat to Israel,” with Netanyahu declaring that “Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas are working openly for the destruction of our people.” He continued, “We cannot place our fate in the hands of others,” and then warned that, “when Israel and the Israel Defense Forces say, ‘Never Again,’ they mean precisely that.” Going for broke, Netanyahu just started making things up. “[T]oday, new enemies are rising, and as they deny the Holocaust, call for the destruction of our people,” he said, “those wishing to destroy the Jewish state” are “arming themselves with nuclear weapons in order to realize those ambitions.” Naturally, he threw in the “existential threat” canard: “The threat to our existence isn’t a theoretical one, it cannot be minimized, it stands before us, before all of humanity, and it must be stopped,” he bellowed.

Peres went even further, stating, “Iran’s fanatic leadership is a danger to the entire world. It is not only a threat to Israel. It is a threat to any household, anywhere. It is a real risk to the fate of humanity.”

Drawing a bogus parallel from Nazi intentions to Iranian ones has long been a mainstay of Israeli fear-mongering despite its obvious absurdity.

Meanwhile, during his Ha’aretz interview, Barak explained, “I don’t think in terms of panic,” continuing,

“What about Pakistan, some political meltdown happens there and four bombs wind up in Iran. So what? So you head for the airport? You close down the country? Just because they got a shortcut? No. We are still the most powerful in the Middle East.”

This is not the first time Barak has made such comments. In April 2010, Barak told Israel Radio, “Right now, Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel. If Iran becomes nuclear, it will spark an arms race in the Middle East. This region is very sensitive because of the oil flow; the region is important to the entire world. The fact that Iran is not an immediate threat, but could evolve into one, means that we can’t let ourselves fall asleep.”

The previous month, Barak told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee that “Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel at this time.” Barak then elaborated that “Iran has the potential to develop into an existential threat on Israel, and we are working to prevent that.”

A month before that, Barak, while speaking at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) in February 2010, said plainly, “I don’t think that the Iranians, even if they got the bomb, they are going to drop it immediately on some neighbor. They fully understand what might follow. They are radicals but not total meshuganas.” He continued to explain his belief that the Iranian leaders “have quite sophisticated decision-making process and they understand realities.”

In September 2009, Barak, who was then the head of the Labor party, told Israeli dailyYedioth Ahronoth that “Iran does not constitute an existential threat against Israel.” Later in the interview, he repeated this assessment, saying, “I am not among those who believe Iran is an existential issue for Israel,” continuing, “Israel is strong, I don’t see anyone who could pose an existential threat.” Barak also stated, “Right now, Iran does not have a bomb. Even if it did, this would not make it a threat to Israel’s existence. Israel can lay waste to Iran.” In a direct rebuke of the oft-heard Netanyahu refrain, Barak said plainly, “I don’t think we are on the brink of a new Holocaust.”

Still, in his remarks to Ha’aretz today, Barak made sure to tread familiar fear-mongering ground by stating his belief that the Iranian leadership could not necessarily be trusted not to do something crazy (they are bearded Muslims after all).

“I don’t think that anyone can say responsibly that these ayatollahs, if they have nuclear weapons, are something you can rely on, like the Politburo or the Pentagon,” Barak said. “It’s not the same thing. I don’t think they will do anything so long as they are in complete control of their senses, but to say that somebody really knows and understands what will happen with such a leadership sitting in a bunker in Tehran and thinking that it’s going to fall in a few days and it is capable of doing it? I don’t know what it would do.” 

Clearly, according to Barak, only governments run by Western white people are mature and rational enough to have nuclear weapons. Also, the idea of the Iranian leadership “sitting in bunker in Tehran” is ridiculous enough without Barak’s wishful thinking about the potential collapse of the Islamic Republic thrown in (though it is clear that the deliberate inference is to make a mental connection with the Führerbunker beneath Hitler’s New Reich Chancellery in Berlin). Additionally, the idea of the Iranian leadership detonating a nuclear weapon (that they don’t even have) in order to fend off regime change in a blaze of radioactive glory is complete nonsense. “I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the dictatorships in the Arab world, including the Iranian one,” he said, demonstrating his apparent misunderstanding of how the Iranian governmental system actually works.

Beyond that, there is ample evidence that Iran, which maintains a strict “no first strike” policy, is not prone to act rashly with regard to military aggression, especially against countries with superior capabilities and nuclear arsenals. In October 2008, Congressional foreign policy advisor Gregory Aftandilian, speaking at a Center for National Policy event titled “A Nuclear Middle East,” noted that Iran is “not stupid” and “has a long history, thousands of years, of statecraft,” concluding simply, “Tehran is not suicidal.”

In a reasonable and realistic critique of Jeffrey Goldberg’s Israeli propaganda puff piece, Steve Clemons of the New America Foundation wrote last year, “Iran has shown itself to be a strategic, rational, albeit ruthless, calculator of its interests — not an irrational, suicidal nation.” Center for American Progress reporter Matt Duss and national security analyst Andrew Grotto also agree that Iran is neither a “suicide nation” nor a “martyr state.” Late last year, a diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks revealed that Australia’s top intelligence agency, the Office of National Assessments (ONA) viewed “Tehran as a sophisticated diplomatic player” which was not “liable to behave impulsively or irrationally.” A report in the Sydney Morning Herald quoted ONA chief Peter Varghese as saying, “‘It’s a mistake to think of Iran as a ‘rogue state’.”

Iranian government and military officials have long stated that they will act militarily in self-defense only if their country is attacked, never preemptively or preventatively, and have never issued threats about initiating aggression against another nation.

Despite the hysterical (and strikingly racist and Islamophobic) claims of opportunistic serial liars like Goldberg (who has warned of Iran’s “theologically driven, eliminationist anti-Semitism”), Netanyahu (who accused Iran’s leaders of belonging to a “messianic apocalyptic cult”) and Alan Dershowitz (who claimed Iran had “demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice millions of their own people to an apocalyptic mission of destruction”), even the United States government concurs with assessments that Iran is a rational actor on the world stage, concerned only with national self-defense rather than aggressive military offensives.

In April 2010, in a statement before the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services, Defense Intelligence Agency director Lieutenant General Ronald L. Burgess stated, “Iran’s military strategy is designed to defend against external threats, particularly from the United States and Israel. Its principles of military strategy include deterrence, asymmetrical retaliation, and attrition warfare.” He added that Iran is “unlikely to initiate a conflict intentionally or launch a pre-emptive attack.” The intelligence report delivered to Congress that day in conjunction with Burgess’ testimony also revealed the assessment that Iran maintains a “defensive military doctrine, which is designed to slow an invasion and force a diplomatic solution to hostilities,” and followed that “Iranian military training and public statements echo this defensive doctrine of delay and attrition.” This identical position was reaffirmed this past March in Burgess’ 2011 testimony before the Armed Services Committee.

A month earlier, in his “Statement for the Record on the Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,” Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper declared that the official judgment of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies is that “Iran’s nuclear decisionmaking is guided by a cost-benefit approach, which offers the international community opportunities to influence Tehran. Iranian leaders undoubtedly consider Iran‟s security, prestige and influence, as well as the international political and security environment, when making decisions about its nuclear program.” 

So, will Barak’s candor temper Netanyahu’s rabid bellicosity in days to come? Unlikely. But are his comments a welcome break from the constant Chicken Littlesque doomsday hysteria that seems to define Israeli hasbara? Yes, they are. As such, get ready to see a whole new level of fear-mongering trotted out by both Israel and the U.S. in the near future in order to wash away the frustrating and inconvenient truths spoken by Barak today.

*****

UPDATE XXXIV:

May 8, 2011 - It’s been a bad week for Iran hawks. Not only has Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak repeated his long-held assessment that a theoretical nuclear-armed Iran would not pose an imminent or existential threat to Israel, but former Mossad chief Meir Dagan, recent scourge of the ‘Bomb Iran’ crowd, has again made things even more difficult.

Speaking at a senior faculty conference at Hebrew University in Jerusalem on Friday – his first public appearance since leaving the Israeli spy agency – Dagan called the possibility of an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities “the stupidest thing I have ever heard.”

Ha’aretz reported:

Dagan said that Iran has a clandestine nuclear infrastructure which functions alongside its legitimate, civil infrastructure. It is the legitimate infrastructure, he said, that is under international supervision by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Any strike on this legitimate infrastructure would be “patently illegal under international law,” according to Dagan.

Dagan emphasized that attacking Iran would be different than Israel’s successful air strike on Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981. Iran has scattered its nuclear facilities in different places around the country, he said, which would make it difficult for Israel to launch an effective attack.

Dagan also claimed, according to Ha’aretz, that “there is proof that Iran has the capability to divert its nuclear activities from place to place in order to take them out of the watchful eye of international supervision and intelligence agencies.”

When the consequences of an Israeli air strike were brought up, Dagan stated, “It will be followed by a war with Iran. It is the kind of thing where we know how it starts, but not how it will end.”

Furthermore, in an interview with the Washington Post’s Lally Weymouth published this week, Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil El Araby outlined numerous policy changes since the ouster of long-time U.S.-backed dictator Hosni Mubarak. In addition to fully supporting (and largely responsible for) the new reconciliation between Palestinian factions Fatah and Hamas and working to end the illegal siege of Gaza, El Araby also noted the Egyptian initiative to normalize foreign relations with Iran – a move Iran has been open to for quite some time.

When Weymouth attempted to provoke El Araby into saying something negative about potential Egyptian-Iranian relations by asking if “a big Hezbollah cell [was] aimed at Egypt a few years ago,” the Foreign Minister was unfazed. He replied:

“They are not an enemy. If you want me to say it — Iran is not an enemy. We have no enemies. Anywhere.”

Weymouth then suggested that if Egypt restored its diplomatic relationship with Iran, it would thereby jeopardize its “strategic” relationship with the United States. El Araby, again, didn’t take the bait nor did he accept the premise of Weymouth silly suggestion, answering:

“This concept of opening up and turning a new page does not affect our relations with the United States or anyone. Your closest friends and allies — the U.K. and France and Germany — all have diplomatic relations with Iran. I don’t see the problem. All your allies have relations with Iran.”

In response to the new Egyptian policies, the Los Angeles Times’ Jeffrey Fleishman writes, “This new agenda has angered Israel and is an indication that Egypt’s emerging diplomacy will test allies and enemies on sensitive matters that could upset the balance of power in the region.” Clearly, any shift in the balance of regional power would frustrate and worry both the United States and Israel, since it would inherently weaken their long-established hegemonic hold on the Middle East. As such, Israeli Vice Prime Minister Silvan Shalom told Israel Radio that the recent Egyptian developments “do not bode well.”

Poor little Israel, things just don’t seem to be going their way these days.

*****

UPDATE XXXV:

May 8, 2011 - In response to Dagan’s recent comments about the stupidity of an Israeli assault on Iran, Reuters reports:

Israeli Vice Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon denied Dagan’s views would affect government decision-making. But he took the former spymaster to task for undermining the Israeli and U.S. strategy of threatening attacks in order to deter Iran and keep other world powers serious about crisis diplomacy.

“For the Iranian regime to be persuaded to give up its nuclear capability, it has to be presented by the choice between getting a bomb and surviving, and such statements do not help present Iran with such a dilemma,” Yaalon told Israel Radio.

Yup, there you have it. It appears Israel is publicly admitting to being an existential threat to Iran. ‘Do what we say,’ Israel warns, ‘or we’ll annihilate you.’ Oh, the zirony.

And let us recall that Chapter 1, Article 4, Paragraph 4 of the United Nations Charter declares quite clearly that “All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.” (emphasis mine)

Moreover, Dagan has received support from other former Israeli intelligence officials.Ha’aretz reports today that two other past Mossad chiefs, Danny Yatom and Ephraim Halevy, as well as MK Shaul Mofaz, chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, also oppose an unprovoked Israeli attack on Iran. In contrast, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Dagan “should not have shared that opinion with the public at large” and Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz “agreed, saying he believed Dagan to have been an outstanding Mossad chief but he should have kept the remarks to himself.”

Indeed, telling the truth in public is not always welcome in official Israeli circles since it sometimes has the unfortunate effect of damaging worn-out warmongering and propaganda.

At the end of the Reuters piece, Yaalon is quoted again. “I hope that the Iranians see an Israeli conspiracy in this. That could help,” he says.

Don’t worry, Moshe, the Iranians have long seen this. So has everyone else. And it hasn’t helped you yet. But, hey, it’s only been thirty years.

About Nima Shirazi

Nima Shirazi is co-editor of the Iran, Iraq and Turkey pages for the online magazine Muftah. His political analysis can be found on his blog, WideAsleepinAmerica.com, where this post first appeared. Follow him on Twitter @WideAsleepNima.

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13 Responses

  1. ToivoS
    May 11, 2011, 9:42 pm

    “What about Pakistan, some political meltdown happens there and four bombs wind up in Iran. So what? So you head for the airport? You close down the country? Just because they got a shortcut? No. We are still the most powerful in the Middle East.”

    This quote deserves more attention. Barak is doing two things here. One is that Iran, as is the point of the article, is not a real military threat to Israel. Second, to combat the fear in the Israeli mind that it is a threat.

    Barak must realize that this fear could turn Iran into real existential threat to Israel as a Jewish state. If this exaggerated fear continues and if Iran does get a nuclear bomb (which seems inevitable) then it would be rational to expect a mass panic and see many 100s of thousands of Jews heading for the airport. There could be over 2 million Israelis of European ancestry that have second passports from those countries. Even today 700,000 (more than 10%!) of Israelis live abroad. Imagine what happens if the nation panics and even more Israelis take advantage of their second citizenships. This is the real demographic threat that Israel is facing.

    • RoHa
      May 11, 2011, 10:34 pm

      “if Iran does get a nuclear bomb (which seems inevitable)”

      How so? There is no clear indication that Iran is interested in developing nuclear weapons, and clear indications to the contrary.

      link to voanews.com

      link to armscontrol.org

      link to presstv.ir

      But dual-passport Israeli Jews may well find other reasons to leave a sinking ship.

      • ToivoS
        May 12, 2011, 12:58 am

        True there is no evidence that Iran wants to build the bomb. They would be very foolish to provide that evidence. I am just assuming what I would recommend if I were an Iranian official. It is a fact that the US has never attacked another nation that is armed with nuclear weapons. We only assault nations that are defenseless.

  2. Thomson Rutherford
    May 11, 2011, 10:58 pm

    Thanks, Nima, for the full and informative report. My own feeling has been that Netanyahu, in the current international economic and political climate, has been merely blowing smoke wrt bombing Iran – that the costs he would incur with the U.S. government and public are too great for even this blustering fool to contemplate. With Barak as DM, his coalition would collapse before he could get the planes in the air. The CIA probably would pick up advance warning of an impending launch, allowing Obama to quash it forthwith. Obama would never countenance such a move, at least not before his reelection – if indeed ever. The ground has shifted against the warmongers.

    Is this how you see it?

    Please keep us informed.

  3. VR
    May 12, 2011, 1:45 am

    I have to say it is good to see you posting here Mr. Shirazi, it will definitely sharpen the point of clear thought on this site. One could write a book about what has been said about Iran, it could be called the demonization chronicles. When all else failed Voltaire’s dictum rings true – those who can get you to believe absurdities can get you to commit atrocities. Right now America’s cup of absurdities runs over.

  4. MRW
    May 12, 2011, 3:24 am

    NimaShirazi,

    Thank you for this excellent coverage. (Mondoweiss is turning into the Blog of Record: Hostage, you, Seham/Kate, Blumenthal/Dana, all the little scoops…forgive me for all whom forgot to add…all first-rate stuff.)

    What annoys me is that so few know the history of Persia before it became Iran. That country’s been sitting on its own land, ruling it for thousands of years, like China, developing centuries of strategic smarts, and whippersnapper newbies (US, Israel) presume it maintains that status by accident?

    • seafoid
      May 12, 2011, 4:11 am

      “What annoys me is that so few know the history of Persia before it became Iran”

      MRW –

      Here is Ayn Rand on Middle Eastern people :

      link to youtube.com

      Israel was built on this kind of ignorance. No time for nuance.
      That’s why the ideology is in such trouble now.

      • MRW
        May 12, 2011, 5:51 am

        There’s a consequence to mendacity and stupidity and grandiose ideas of supremacism, seafoid. It comes slowly, but it comes.

  5. Citizen
    May 12, 2011, 10:19 am

    Yet Bibi will be here soon, to partner with AIPAC by beating the drums for war on Iran and on the Arab Spring, which of course are both existential threats against Israel and its arm, the USA. Yet, despite more of this usual, something’s happening in Israel, a real call to end this nonsense. The very Israeli leaders who’ve fought the good fight against Israel’s enemies, Israel’s security establishment, are singing a very different tune:

    It’s not the Iranian nuclear project they’re scared of, nor Hamas, nor the unrest that’s rocking the Arab world. Israel has always faced dangers, and it’s always come out on top. What scares them most is their prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

    They are speaking out in public, and they are not random ex-generals, but former heads of Israel’s main security services: the Israel Defense Forces, the Mossad intelligence agency and the Shin Bet internal security service. There are 18 living ex-chiefs: seven Mossad, six IDF and five Shin Bet. No fewer than eight of them are actively working against Netanyahu in one way or another. Another four have made their alarm publicly clear, though they aren’t aggressively campaigning right now. That’s 12, if you’re keeping score. Two of them have openly called Netanyahu’s policies and leadership a threat to Israel’s future — just in the past few weeks.
    Of the remaining six ex-chiefs, four retired years ago and keep their views to themselves. And two support Netanyahu. Both of them, ex-IDF chiefs Ehud Barak and Moshe Yaalon, are ministers in Netanyahu’s government.
    They want to dial back the rhetoric on Iran and stop the Netanyahu-led talk of military action. Some are pushing for a two-state agreement with the Palestinian Authority based on the 1967 borders and the 2002 Arab peace initiative. Some favor both.
    Nothing like this has ever happened before in Israel’s history. Retired service heads have a longstanding, deeply ingrained tradition of respecting the voters and respectfully deferring to the elected government leadership. When they want their views known, they traditionally join a political party and try their luck. Now and then they give a speech or interview, usually in moderate, understated tones. Only in isolated cases have individual ex-chiefs openly denounced a sitting prime minister.
    So what’s different now? First, the looming United Nations vote on Palestinian statehood. If and when it passes, most of the world will see Israel as occupying and settling the territory of a sovereign U.N. member. Diplomatic, economic and legal woes are sure to follow, no matter what technicalities Israel tries to raise. Israel can head it off by offering a plausible statehood plan right now. As for Iran, it’s a dangerous distraction from the business at hand. Smart security strategies are built on reality, not bogeymen, they say.

    Read more: link to forward.com

    PS: The American public won’t know their POV exists after US news coverage of Bibi at the WH & at AIPAC in a couple of weeks. Congress
    folks call that looking after US interests, and Israel’s.

  6. Kathleen
    May 12, 2011, 10:57 am

    What an incredible post. Thank you

    I have been listening closely for at least 10 years to mainstream media host and guest repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran. NPR’s Terri Gross is one of the worst offenders. Rachel Maddow, Richard Engel not far behind.

    Iran bashing started immediately after the invasion of Iraq. Reuel Marc Gerecht on the Diane Rehm show, Cheney on Tim Russerts, John Bolten and James Woolsey on Talk of the Nation, John McCain on Stephanapoulous, Hillary Clinton all over the place started repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran. Did the host of these shows challenge the “Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map” hooey debunked by Professor Juan Cole. Or referenced the nuclear program in Iran as an all ready existent nuclear weapon program. Hell I heard Fresh Airs host Terri Gross not only allow guest to repeat those unsubstantiated claims I heard her often repeat that hogwash herself MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow did the same but not quite as often as Gross.

    More recently just after Mubarak was run out the MSM took their spotlights on the ‘wave of change” right over Tunisia and Egypt skipped the Palestinian protest and focused right on Iran all on time and in sync hours after Mubarak step down. Like clock work Richard Engel, Cenk Uygar and Rachel Maddow were banging on bad bad Iran.

    Several Sundays ago Gloria Borger sitting in for Fareed Zakaria led the round table group that was discussing LIbya right over to what Gloria referred to as the “elephant in the room” bad bad Iran. Not a whisper about the real “elephant in the room” on all of these MSM outlets. Illegal Israeli settlements, Palestinian protest, the illegal wall built partially on internationally recognized Palestinian lands.

    Ah the I lobby and Israel love it when our msm does their work for them. If they have it their way Next stop Iran

    • Citizen
      May 12, 2011, 11:32 am

      And by focusing on Iran, they all lead the way, right along with Bibi, to a 1s reality, which will mean either a diplomatically indefensible apartheid state loud and clear to even an ignorant moron, as a bell, or the end of the Jewish Zionist state as such (“Israel as Israel”). The fools won’t even listen to the former Israeli security chiefs in Mossad & IDF that have been speaking up against the Iran diversion, including some in public; they are saying Iran is no existential threat, far from it. They want Bibi to quit babbling about a (sham) Iranian threat and a 2s peace and actually start doing things on the ground to achieve it. Looking at the history of post-Shah Iran’s policy, it’s clear even to these growing establishment dissenters with top credentials regarding Israel’s security, that Iran is no threat–even if it has the bomb.

  7. Kathleen
    May 12, 2011, 11:01 am

    Nima /All.

    Prime Minister Erdogan was on the Charlie Rose program yesterday he brought up how these unsubstantiated claims keep being repeated. He really went the full length of the field by bringing up Israel’s undeclared and uninspected nuclear weapons. How this has posed a serious problem for peace in that part of the world for decades. Really worth the listen.

    Of course Charlie Rose would not touch the issue when Erdogan brought up Israels nuclear weapons and how they have not signed the Non proliferation treaty. Over at the Charlie Rose site

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