Yesterday by a unanimous vote the Senate said that the Palestinians should not seek a state in the United Nations. This as the world moves to recognize just such a move.
The following note was sent out by AIPAC yesterday.
Following up on today's news about the passage of the Cardin-Collins resolution, I wanted to pass along this statement from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid...Kind regards, Ari [Goldberg, director of media relations]
REID: PASSAGE OF CARDIN-COLLINS RESOLUTION REAFFIRMS U.S. DEDICATION TO ISRAEL
Washington, D.C.– Nevada Senator Harry Reid issued the following statement today following passage of the Cardin-Collins resolution:
“I am pleased that the Senate unanimously passed Senators Cardin and Collins’ resolution, supported by 88 bipartisan cosponsors, which says a negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict should come through direct Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. If peace talks are to be fruitful, the Palestinians cannot bring to the negotiating table a terrorist organization that rejects Israel’s right to exist. A fair beginning to good-faith talks also means the Palestinians cannot simply stop by the negotiating table on their way to the United Nations to seek recognition as a state.
“The United States of America will not give money to terrorists bent on the destruction of the State of Israel. America’s willingness to continue our current aid program will depend on the Palestinian government’s insistence that Hamas recognize Israel’s right to exist, that it renounce violence and that it honor the commitments made by prior Palestinian Authority governments.”
Good doggie!
they get value for money for now. But you can just smell that the end is very near for APAIC. It will be a long, bloody war but it’s coming.
“But you can just smell that the end is very near for APAIC.”
Get your nose checked.
Unless the singularity becomes real and they can make Dershowitz immortal, AIPAC will be a shadow of its current strength in 10 years.
A war against Iran would merely speed up the process.
And g-d only knows how ugly and irrational Israel will be 10 years hence with the Orthodox in charge.
What Israel should be worried about is when there is a sea change in the United States. Uncle Sam is a fickle, fickle friend. Just ask Noriega. And Saddam Hussein. And Hosni Mubarak. And Pervez Musharraf. And the Taliban. Need I go on?
Sooner or later, it will occur to somebody on the right wing that blaming Israel and their lobby will make a fantastic scapegoat when the dollar collapses (which at this rate is coming sooner or later).
And when that day comes, the schadenfreude I will experience toward hophmi will, honestly, be sweet indeed. I don’t pretend to be a nice, forgiving sort of fellow. Good luck, hophmi!
AIPAC really do get value for money.
The news will be welcomed all over the Middle East
and in Afghanistan . At the end of the day who cares about dead American soldiers, other than their families?
certainly not Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Ed etc. When was the last time you have heard them report about dead, injured, suicides amongst US soldiers. Not a whisper about the dead in Iraq. Not a whisper
The U.S. military is definitely seeing that the Senate and the so-called liberal media are giving them a collective middle finger. See the following story in military.com.
link to military.com
In addition to the Senate resolution above, military.com is reporting that Republican Senator Kirk wants to send U.S. special ops in.
Of course the optics of Seal Team 6 killing the following American “terrorists” would be just awful:
Signalman Meadors told military.com the following:
Meadors was on last year’s flotilla and last year military.com reported the following:
Ennes and Meadors definitely know of which they speak.
Thank you for providing this. I did not know James Ennes had a recent comment regarding the flotilla and Meadors’ participation.
Senator Kirk is our Quisling and a certainly hope the people will reward him with the same fate.
link to c-spanvideo.org
At 15.20 a caller says he is “sick and tired of all these Jews coming onto Cspan and telling us to go to war . They are willing to spend the last drop of American blood and treasure to get their way in the world”
The fact that our government doesn’t keep its promises is NOT news to the members of the armed forces.
Why should Hamas honor past agreements when the US government backed the overthrow of the elected Palestinian government and permitted continued growth of the settlements? Let’s recite the 2002 Quartet Road map together:
*Government of Israel (GOI) immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001.
*Consistent with the Mitchell Report, GOI freezes all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements).
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*Phase II starts after Palestinian elections and ends with possible creation of an independent Palestinian state with provisional borders in 2003.
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*Quartet members promote international recognition of Palestinian state, including possible UN membership.”
The current US regime, including the Executive Branch, Senate, and House, have abandoned all of those agreements and have stated that they oppose Palestinian statehood. It’s long past time for the Palestinians and the rest of the international community stop listening to these liars and get the US as far away from the so-called “peace process” as possible.
The Senate is, hands down, the most corrupt, most undemocratic institution in the US government. Not that this will ever happen, unfortunately, but as a self-governing people, it really would be in our interests to abolish the Senate and just rely on the House and the Presidency for legislation.
I don’t think the founding fathers really understood just how intensely corruptible the Senate would be. They should have looked more closely at what happened with the Roman Senate they were emulating, and more of them should have fought harder against it — the Senate was introduced into the US model of government explicitly as a “check and balance” against the democratic vote of the average citizen!
The Senate really is the most polluted cesspool in D.C. By far.
The Congress and White House are just as deep in the pocket of AIPAC as the Senate.
Perhaps, but whereas the House and the White House are branches of the same tainted tree, it is the Senate that is the root of the problem.
We need to pull the plug, draining the congressional swamp once and for all. The congress continues to write blank checks for Netanyahu. Israel’s descent into fascism may change some votes in the senate, but these Senators vote without consideration of the facts.
Although Israel is our most favored 51st state, they could never get away with the shit they pull, inside the US. The racism, hostility, and land theft is incredible. It’s clear why the US has no credibility in the world. The banking fraud and underwriting Israel’s colonialism are two of the best examples.
Our founders did anticpate it and warned against it.
Geo Washington 1779
To the efficacy and permanency of your Union, a government for the whole is indispensable. No alliance, however strict, between the parts can be an adequate substitute; they must inevitably experience the infractions and interruptions which all alliances in all times have experienced.
All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency.
They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of your present happy state, it is requisite, not only that you steadily discountenance irregular oppositions to its acknowledged authority, but also that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles, however specious the pretexts.
One method of assault may be to effect, in the forms of the Constitution, alterations which will impair the energy of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown. In all the changes to which you may be invited, remember that time and habit are at least as necessary to fix the true character of governments as of other human institutions; that experience is the surest standard by which to test the real tendency of the existing constitution of a country; that facility in changes, upon the credit of mere hypothesis and opinion, exposes to perpetual change, from the endless variety of hypothesis and opinion; and remember, especially, that for the efficient management of your common interests, in a country so extensive as ours, a government of as much vigor as is consistent with the perfect security of liberty is indispensable. Liberty itself will find in such a government, with powers properly distributed and adjusted, its surest guardian. It is, indeed, little else than a name, where the government is too feeble to withstand the enterprises of faction, to confine each member of the society within the limits prescribed by the laws, and to maintain all in the secure and tranquil enjoyment of the rights of person and property.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.
So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.
As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils.
Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.
Go read the whole thing…..
link to avalon.law.yale.edu
1796, I think, not 1779 – was Washington recommending neutrality between Britain and France in the wars raging at that time? I’m sure he did have the Roman Senate – and its foreign ‘clientelae’ which helped finance election expenses – very much in mind.
No surprise there…Israeli occupied territory. Telling. For Senator Sherrod Brown in Ohio this will pull off some votes for him in his reelection campaign
“No surprise there…Israeli occupied territory”
Or they actually believe, as most European countries do, that the way to a solution is not through unilateral declarations at the UN.
Kathleen, you should spend more time advocating for peace and less time blaming your problems on everybody else. Israel does not occupy the US Congress. If the Senate disagreed with this resolution, they wouldn’t sign it. Period.
“Or they actually believe, as most European countries do, that the way to a solution is not through unilateral declarations at the UN.”
They might. Because after all, they’re not getting curb-stomped like the Palestinians have for decades. Instead, it’s the pals and family of their political donors who are doing the stomping…
Last I heard, the EU was generally supportive of the resolution for Palestinian statehood.
Our senate and congress is a bought and paid for group of zionist agents who sold their souls not for 30 pieces of silver, but millions of campaign money.
Treason is usually awarded with a death sentence, someone should start filing charges against the most obvious traitors.
To think that even after Aipac top officials were caught red handed
( again )passing highly classified intelligence to Israeli agents. Even though Jane “waddling on over” Harman interfered in the Aipac espionage investigation and the Israeli firster team were able to shut down that 9 time delayed trial…after all of this undermining of US National Security Aipac still controls our Senate
Um-hmm. The case against the AIPAC staffers was DROPPED. Do you understand what DROPPED means? It means the government COULDN’T PROVE THE CASE. Do you understand what COULDN’T PROVE THE CASE means? The Government had to drop the case because they basically tried to use an old, disused law to criminalize what is common practice among lobby groups in Washington. If you are for the government criminalizing the work of activist groups, please feel free to let the rest of us know.
“Do you understand what DROPPED means? It means the government COULDN’T PROVE THE CASE.”
LOL. If you believe that is the only reason that a federal prosecutor drops a case, and that politics NEVER enters into it, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you can buy. Cheap!
Obviously you are not a USA trained attorney, hophmi. The issue of just what was common practice for AIPAC was never allowed to be judicially investigated. The court decided it didn’t want to pursue classified US government documents–a lower court form of the US Supreme Court’s legal theory of “political question.” which SCOTUS uses when it doesn’t want to hear a hot potato–combined with “it might harm naional security.” Anyone here can get a good whiff of what was & is common AIPAC practice by reading the article AIPAC’s scapegoat (who subsequently sued AIPAC if memory serves) recently published, despite the fact the former AIPAC official was covering his own tukus as he wrote it. A “political question,” if heard, often digs into the highest reaches of back room elite government.
One of the main reasons that the case was dropped was due to freedom of the press issues/precedent. If the case went forward, and was successful, it would potentially criminalize all “leaks” of intelligence info that ends up published by the press. Ironic, considering the Obama Administration’s current war on whistleblowers. Anyway, others have explained this in more detail and I invite you to do an internet search and gain some meaningful context here.
You are making a typical error here usually seen on the part of those that are naive about the American “justice” system. Charges not being filed, or dropped after being filed, is absolutely not the same thing as an acquittal. Not even close.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, i.e., on your naivete. If it’s not naivete that led you to post that comment, then it was a malicious and misleading intention and I would rather not attribute that to you without any evidence.
Hopefully you learned something and won’t make that mistake again in the future.
Kathleen, Rehm now talking about Arab Spring. As to this thread, yeah let’s only have direct talks between Israel & Hand picked puppet of US/Israel representing the Palestinians. What could be fairer? Everybody knows a tank weights the same as a sling-shot. And with superpower Uncle Sam as the hovering honest broker? Why how could the US Senate vote for anything else?
The problem for Israel with such unquestioning support is that it leads to what Israel does in Gaza and sets the standard for the behaviour of the Palestinians when they take charge.
I’m going to remember you said that eee.
Oh so typical and predicatable…
It is time for a flash mob in the US senate!
Face the truth, the American people do not support your agenda, not even one little bit.
LOL!
You are kidding yourself. As the American people are provided accurate information about what is going on with the conflict they are asking the tough questions. They are finding out that Israel’s illegal activities over decades has and continues to be a threat to US National Security as well as being immoral.
Listen to the callers on C Span’s Washington Journal, on the Diane Rehm show (when they touch the I/P issue). The flood gates are opening via the internet even though Rachel Maddow etc will not touch these critical issues.
Former Weapons inspector Scott Ritter, former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheuer, former CiA analyst Ray McGovern, Kathleen and Bill Christison, former President Jimmy Carter, Queen Noor, Zbigniew Brezinski and many more have come out and repeated that this conflict is one of if not the reason that so many people in that part of the world are so pissed off with the US. The tide is shifting, the facts on the ground are being exposes and that tide is not shifting in support of the apartheid government of Israel. They clearly own our Senate but they do not own the internet and people’s access to fact based information
hell even the 9/11 commission report reported that the lop sided support for Israel no matter what they do is a national security risk for the US
Terrorism and Homeland Security
link to c-spanvideo.org
Jesus, Kathleen the sequence starting at 15.12 is electrifying.
When are Americans going to be able to discuss Israel’s wars ?
“Israel as a country is of no particular worth to the US.”
I really think it is like the Alawis in Syria.
I think it is very obvious that the people don’t support the senate’s agenda.
Right, and the Senate is elected by… the American people.
According to you it seems it is Martians.
The Senate is a country club of privileged elites. The only people who can afford to field Senate candidacies are people who have mountains of financial backing to wage statewide campaigns.
wrong people when they have the truthful info do support the palestinian cause. the problem is people like you are able to spread your lies which convinces them otherwise.
Is there a list of the 88 cosponsors? I can’t seem to find one in the published congressional record.
Take your “aid” to Palestinians and shove it. It’s not going to the people who need it anyway.
Like Israel’s reaction to the Flotilla, these kinds of capers just serve to make it crystal clear how bankrupt (yet powerful, at the moment, and only because cowards let them be powerful) the “pro-Israel” establishment is. And people are starting to see.
The Jordanians are going to vote against the Palestinians at the UN:
link to ynetnews.com
The Jordanians have been bad on the Palestine issue from the beginning. Why should now be any different?
since 60% of jordanians are of palestinian descent, that vote will be about as representative of the jordanian people as yesterday’s 88-0 senate vote represents the american people
That’s why the US pays Jordan multi billion dollar bribes. Put that down to the added cost to US tax payers of supporting the fascit apartheid state of Israel.
The dictator of Jordan’s days are numbered.
…and the Arab Spring comes to Amman.
And the king goes to the desert to milk camels, as his ancestors did for centuries.
Our US Politicians are more loyal to Israel, a foreign country, than to the USA.
They are on their knees with their heads deep down is AIPAC/Israel’s feeding troughs. When AIPAC talks our so called American politicians, …loyally & terrified follow their orders from their zionist masters…Or else risk being targeted and/or blackmailed => Out of office!!!
Click on link to see what AIPAC & Other zionist pacs have contributed to your politicians from your area(s):
PRO-ISRAEL PAC CONTRIBUTIONS TO U.S. SENATORS AS OF 12/31/10
link to wrmea.com
We used to joke about a particular salacious act as, “The Neil & Bob Show.”
Thank you for this link. Amazing to see the disparity in zionist support for my state’s (WA) senators–Maria Cantwell–$2,844, and Patty Murray–$195,243.
Is Senator Cantwell doing something right, after all?
Yep, Kris. Webb was one of only two listed that got O from the Israel Firsters; Webb has tons of intergrity & moral vision—he makes me proud to be an American. Not so for my senator Nelson, who’s more like a sunshine state crocodile.
Hi Kris…
Glad to hear that you liked the www.wrmea.com link . Use it, share it & passed on to others! Our elected representatives serve AIPAC/Israel each & every time…!!!
The successful mixing of issues:
Hamas as a terrorist organization to the negotiating table — even though the US has negotiated with so-called terrorist forever, including Zionist organizations that were declared to be terrorist.
The old “right to exist” whine.
Claims of Palestinians stopping negotiations, when Israel has consistently over many years found reason not to negotiate.
On and on…..
A pathetic distortion-filled resolution written by AIPAC for our Congressional dogs. Sadly it does not support Israel, but assures it’s slow destruction.
My IP issues mentor, Bernie the Attorney, would always characterize the actions of our governmental leaders in terms of a vulgar reference to a particular sex act; which unfortunately seemed quite apt.
Even more vulgar btw than the phrase found elsewhere here (i.e. “fellating Ari Fleischer”).
as to getting the government of the u.s. of a. to reverse its policy on the i/p conflict?
turn the public, turn congress
how to turn the public?
by spreading the word that america’s unconditional support for the zionist entity israel is why the people of the mideast hate us
that the settler entity’s occupation of palestine is what drives the fear and hatred underlying the violent messianic movements in the mideast & elsewhere
that a just & free palestine is the key to peace on earth
& the israel-firsters in our midst?
to be exposed as the traitors they are
congress & the president?
likewise, with the added proviso that those in the u.s. government who assisted the settler-entity in its crimes against humanity be referred to the international court of justice for possible prosecution
and the zionist entity?
into the dustbin of history*
*the entity, not its people