US Muslims more opposed than other groups to violence against civilians

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You gotta wonder why, right? Maybe because they have a richer database? The poll also indicates that 4/5 of Muslims and Jews support two-state solution. Huh. Jim Lobe reports at antiwar.com.

Muslims in the United States express greater tolerance for members of other faiths than any other major religious group, according to a major new survey and report released Thursday by the Abu Dhabi Gallup Center.

They are also more likely than any other religious group to oppose violent or military attacks against civilians, according to the survey, “Muslim Americans: Faith, Freedom, and the Future.”

Nearly four out of five (78 percent) U.S. Muslims say that military attacks against civilians can never be justified. That compares with [about] two of five Protestants (38 percent) and Catholics (39 percent) and…  Jews (43 percent) who take that position, the poll found.

Similarly, 89 percent of Muslims said attacks by “an individual person or a small group of individuals to target and kill civilians can never be justified.” Between 71 percent and 75 percent of Christian and Jewish respondents agreed.

And here is Abdul-Malik Ryan’s response to poll:

The report emphasized the findings that the American Muslim community was the most culturally diverse faith community in the United States.  It also emphasized that American Muslims in general were highly educated compared to other religious groups.  On the other hand, the report also noted that young Muslims in the United States were less likely than young people of other faith groups to report that they were “thriving” and were more likely to report emotions such as anger

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  1. Kathleen
    August 3, 2011, 9:57 am

    A fair amount out there about the Muslim faith growing by leaps and bounds in the US
    link to chatislamonline.org
    link to infoplease.com

  2. hophmi
    August 3, 2011, 10:31 am

    “The poll also indicates that 4/5 of Muslims and Jews support two-state solution. Huh. ”

    This is the part where you say, “Wow, I guess I was wrong. Jews are not more conservative on Israel.”

    The poll also found that Jewish-Americans were among the least likely to believe that Muslims sympathize with Al-Qaeda and among the most likely to see Muslim-Americans as loyal Americans.

    • Woody Tanaka
      August 3, 2011, 10:50 am

      “This is the part where you say, ‘Wow, I guess I was wrong. Jews are not more conservative on Israel.’”

      What is the “two-state solution” envisioned by these American Jews?? Is it true sovereignty, where the Palestinians have the same rights and responsibilities as other states (including the right to a military to defend themselves, borders with the outside world, control of its airspace, etc.) or is it the pathetic South-African-Bantustan-style garbage which Netanyahoo and his clique of gangsters is pushing.

      My guess is that most American Jews see the two-state solution is the later, whereby the Palestinians are penned up in smaller and smaller lands while the grant conquest of living space in the greater Israeli empire steams on and on.

      And, besides, only 43% of American Jews stated that military attacks against civilians can never be justified. If you believe that this low number (cf. 78% for Muslims) doesn’t reflect the fact that military attacks on civilians is an Israeli s.o.p., you’re crazy.

      (And the Christian results shows that Christians in the US actually don’t understand the actual teachings of the religion and are simply power-mad nationalists acting as Christians.)

  3. hophmi
    August 3, 2011, 10:57 am

    “What is the “two-state solution” envisioned by these American Jews?? Is it true sovereignty, where the Palestinians have the same rights and responsibilities as other states (including the right to a military to defend themselves, borders with the outside world, control of its airspace, etc.) or is it the pathetic South-African-Bantustan-style garbage which Netanyahoo and his clique of gangsters is pushing. ”

    What is the two-state solution envisioned by American Muslims? Is it s true two-state solution, with two states for two peoples, or is a Palestinian state and another Palestinian state?

    And the killing civilians thing – do the Muslims consider Israelis to be civilians? That’s always the rub in polls done in the Arab world.

    “And, besides, only 43% of American Jews stated that military attacks against civilians can never be justified. If you believe that this low number (cf. 78% for Muslims) doesn’t reflect the fact that military attacks on civilians is an Israeli s.o.p., you’re crazy. ”

    If you believe that it has anything to do with Israel, you’re dishonest or plain stupid. The numbers are lower for Catholics and Protestants. Is that because “military attacks on civilians is an Israeli s.o.p.” also?

    • Woody Tanaka
      August 3, 2011, 11:49 am

      “What is the two-state solution envisioned by American Muslims? Is it s true two-state solution, with two states for two peoples, or is a Palestinian state and another Palestinian state?”

      Irrelevant. The issue here is your claim regarding American Jews, and the fact that they support a two-state solution somehow makes them “more conservative” on Israel, when, as I’ve shown, there is absolutely no incompatibility with American Jews being in favor of a two-state solution and being conservative (indeed, reactionary or extreme rightest) on Israel, depending on how those American Jews define “two-state solution.” So the views of Muslims on that issue is wholly irrelevant.

      “And the killing civilians thing – do the Muslims consider Israelis to be civilians? That’s always the rub in polls done in the Arab world.”

      That is a valid point, and one in which further polling should be done. But if you believe such special definitions of what it means to be a “civilian” is not a problem that likewise affects Israelis, you are a fool. Indeed, during the assault on Gaza, the Israelis murdered a bunch of police cadets, claiming them to be non-civilians.

      (And, indeed, if that is the case, then the firecracker missiles fired at Sderot are wholly legitimate, because the police in those towns would be legitimate targets in the Israeli view of things and the people around them are merely “human shields.” [the other euphemism the Zionist uses when he wants to excuse the civilians he murders.] )

      “If you believe that it has anything to do with Israel, you’re dishonest or plain stupid.”

      LOL. No, it just means that I pay attention. It doesn’t take much investigation into mainstream media (let alone specialty Jewish media) to see that American Jews overwhelmingly support Israeli actions when those actions are phrased as being related to “security.” Why is this so? Is it because American Jews favor the interests of Jews over non-Jews regardless of merit, because they’re PEPs, bigots against Arabs? Who knows. Perhaps the further polling I mentioned regarding Muslim views regarding Israeli civilians should also include American Jews to examine this question.

      “The numbers are lower for Catholics and Protestants. Is that because ‘military attacks on civilians is an Israeli s.o.p.’ also?”

      LMAO. No, it’s because military attacks on civilians is an AMERICAN s.o.p. and these people are giddy with the exercise of American exceptionalism, jingoistic patriotism, war fever and the blindness that comes with the power to casually exercise on others, without fear of retribution, that which you would label the worst acts of inhumanity if done to yourself. (Israelis suffer from the same mental and moral illness.)

      Jeesh, have you lived under a rock for the last 50 years? If you haven’t noticed the schizophrenic propensity of those very same Christians — who profess to believe that God made Man, Jesus Christ, commanded them “though shalt not kill”, to love their neighbor as themselves and to turn the other cheek when stuck, — to justify the most horrible brutality on their enemies, from murder, to torture, to mass reprisals, to the nuclear annihilation of two cities filled with innocent civilians, to every manner of inhumane and unethical treatment, then you really need to open your eyes.

      I mean, if you, as an adult, haven’t noticed this one, then what value is any of your opinions??

      • hophmi
        August 3, 2011, 1:13 pm

        “Irrelevant. The issue here is your claim regarding American Jews, and the fact that they support a two-state solution somehow makes them “more conservative” on Israel, when, as I’ve shown, there is absolutely no incompatibility with American Jews being in favor of a two-state solution and being conservative (indeed, reactionary or extreme rightest) on Israel, depending on how those American Jews define “two-state solution.” So the views of Muslims on that issue is wholly irrelevant.”

        Learn to read. Phil is one who claims the American Jewish community is conservative on Israel, not me.

        And the views of Muslims on the two-state solution is surely relevant. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in this world and a few million Jews.

        “That is a valid point, and one in which further polling should be done. But if you believe such special definitions of what it means to be a “civilian” is not a problem that likewise affects Israelis, you are a fool. Indeed, during the assault on Gaza, the Israelis murdered a bunch of police cadets, claiming them to be non-civilians. ”

        At least you admit it’s a valid point. Too bad you can’t say it without changing the subject.

        “LMAO. No, it’s because military attacks on civilians is an AMERICAN s.o.p. ”

        I see. So if American Christians hold this point of view, it’s an American issue. If American Jews hold it, it’s an Israeli issue.

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 3, 2011, 2:57 pm

        “Learn to read. Phil is one who claims the American Jewish community is conservative on Israel, not me.”

        Learn to think. You are the one who claimed that this polling was relevant to Phil’s claim. And regardless of who raised it, the views of Muslims are still irrelevant.

        “And the views of Muslims on the two-state solution is surely relevant. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in this world and a few million Jews.”

        So what? Even if the world’s Muslims had (to the Jewish view) the worst-case-scenario opinion, that would still be irrelevant to the issue of whether this polling result rebutted the notion that American Jews can’t be conservative on Israel, especially if they believe that the Bantustan plan proposed by Natanyahoo and his merry band of criminals will lock up the Palestinians into their ghettos and prisons regardless of what the Muslims of the worlds think. So, again, irrelevant.

        “At least you admit it’s a valid point. Too bad you can’t say it without changing the subject.”

        I’m not changing the subject. The subject is who the parties in the Middle East consider to be “civilians” when they are killed by military means. How the Israelis view that question is well within the heart of that issue. Just because you don’t want to face the crimes of the Israeli Jews on this point doesn’t mean that I’m changing the subject at all.

        “I see. So if American Christians hold this point of view, it’s an American issue. If American Jews hold it, it’s an Israeli issue.”

        No, it’s always an American issue, because these are all Americans. The question is what caused these results. Of course, these are not exclusive categories. I’m sure that there are many American Christians who approve of military attacks on civilians (Muslim civilians, especially) by Israelis or any of “allies in the War on Terra” as much as they approve of military attacks on civilians by Americans. Likewise, I’m sure there are some American Jewish conservatives who are as blinkered about “American exceptionalism” and the morality of our bombings of civilians as anyone else and whose approve of military action on civilians has nothing to do with Israel.

        But the fact of the matter is that American Jews skew very much to the left on most issues and you would expect such people to be overwhelmingly opposed to the use of military action against civilians. But the only exception to that overwhelming liberalism is Israel, which they support in much higher numbers than non-Jewish Americans and in which case they overwhelmingly support military action by Israel when the “security” excuse is used, and that military action always results in attacks on, and the death of, civilians.

        For example, between 2/3 and 90% of American Jews, which was much higher than the support of non-Jewish Americans, approved of the Israeli’s actions against the Gaza civilians during Cast Lead. And this was a war whose supposed “security” cause — the firecracker rockets — killed about as many people in a decade than who die in the USA in the average 8-week period from bee stings.

        So these factors establish beyond doubt that there is a causal connection between Israeli alleged security needs and the American Jews’ attitudes about the use of military force against civilians? No, but only a fool would deny a connection or deny that the connection is plausable.

      • hophmi
        August 3, 2011, 3:51 pm

        “Learn to think. You are the one who claimed that this polling was relevant to Phil’s claim. And regardless of who raised it, the views of Muslims are still irrelevant.”

        Again, I’m talking the views of Jews. Most Jews in this country support the two-state solution.

        “So what? Even if the world’s Muslims had (to the Jewish view) the worst-case-scenario opinion, that would still be irrelevant to the issue of whether this polling result rebutted the notion that American Jews can’t be conservative on Israel, especially if they believe that the Bantustan plan proposed by Natanyahoo and his merry band of criminals will lock up the Palestinians into their ghettos and prisons regardless of what the Muslims of the worlds think. So, again, irrelevant.”

        Only to you. I believe the numbers would be virtually the same if the question contained the word “contiguous.” And it is of course relevant whether Muslims interpret the two-state solution as being something other than two states for two peoples.

        “But the fact of the matter is that American Jews skew very much to the left on most issues and you would expect such people to be overwhelmingly opposed to the use of military action against civilians.”

        Besides the fact that it’s a stupid question (does it mean purposeful attacks, collateral damage, under any circumstances), why do you assume that most American Jews are liberal on defense issues? There are plenty of liberals who would give the same answer depending on how they understood the question.

        “For example, between 2/3 and 90% of American Jews, which was much higher than the support of non-Jewish Americans, approved of the Israeli’s actions against the Gaza civilians during Cast Lead.”

        How much higher? And unlike the more general question of military attacks on civilians, what did Americans know about Gaza that would make their opinions on the issue relevant?

        “So these factors establish beyond doubt that there is a causal connection between Israeli alleged security needs and the American Jews’ attitudes about the use of military force against civilians? No, but only a fool would deny a connection or deny that the connection is plausable.”

        Yeah, anything’s plausible. You say it as if it were proven fact. You’re applying a double standard.

      • Chaos4700
        August 3, 2011, 8:04 pm

        Speaking of double standards, hophmi, where were you when this, that and this other article came out? Do you consider Palestinian children to be civilians? How about international peace activists?

        Where have you been? For like, DAYS? Suddenly you’re around for this article and this article alone? Gosh, you must be busy. Find those nukes yet?

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 3, 2011, 8:24 pm

        “Again, I’m talking the views of Jews. Most Jews in this country support the two-state solution.”

        I know, but this whole conversation is based on your statement: “This is the part where you say, ‘Wow, I guess I was wrong. Jews are not more conservative on Israel,’” in response to a poll showing that American Jews support a two-state solution.

        My only point was that the one didn’t follow from the other, and that the most conservative Jews imaginable could favor a two-state solution. My only point was to note that your logic was flawed.

        “Only to you. I believe the numbers would be virtually the same if the question contained the word ‘contiguous.’”

        But adding the word “contiguous” doesn’t necessarily change anything. You can still have radical right-wing Jews favoring a contiguous Palestinian state, if many of the Netanyahoo Bantustan features are added. Make it contiguous, but give the Palestinians no rights to control their borders, airspace or defend themselves and you could get any number of people with extreme right wing views on Israel to agree.

        If you want to test how right wing American Jews are, change the polling question to one in which the two states are equal. Two continuous states, with equal rights and responsibilities under international law. (You get an army, they get an army; you control your airspace, they control their airspace; you get to have nuclear weapons, they get to have nuclear weapons; you control your border, they control their border, etc.) Posit equality and you’ll see how right wing American Jews are on Israel.

        “And it is of course relevant whether Muslims interpret the two-state solution as being something other than two states for two peoples.”

        It may be relevant to the formation of the views of Jews, but it is irrelevant to your assertion that because Jews favor a two-state solution of some kind, that means they are not conservative on Israel.

        “Besides the fact that it’s a stupid question…, why do you assume that most American Jews are liberal on defense issues?”

        Because of person experience, history, voting patterns, etc.

        “How much higher?”

        I don’t remember the exact figure, but it wasn’t 90%.

        “And unlike the more general question of military attacks on civilians, what did Americans know about Gaza that would make their opinions on the issue relevant?”

        Americans no next to nothing about Gaza, except what is spoon fed them by media outlets influenced by the Zionists.

        If they knew that this murderous massacre, with 21st Century weapons (supplied by the US taxpayer), was supposedly triggered a so-called “security concern” again, constituting little firecracker rockets that killed fewer people over a decade than die every 3.5 hours in the US in auto accidents, don’t you think they may have a more nuanced view of things?

        If Americans knew the real story and not the Islamophobic crap pushed by the pro-Israel crowd, don’t you think they might question an assault on the Gaza Strip that was proportional by population to an attack on American that results in 220,000 deaths and 960,000 wounded???

        Don’t you think that if Americans actually knew these numbers they might reject the laughingly stupid notion that Israel and Israeli are hated because of what they do and not because of some idiotic notion of antisemitism??

        If they really know the disgusting truth, and not the AIPAC/ADL lies, they might ask a few questions about the situation.

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 4, 2011, 9:26 am

        That should, of course read:
        “Don’t you think that if Americans actually knew these numbers they might reject the laughingly stupid notion that Israel and Israelis are hated not because of what they do and not but because of some idiotic notion of antisemitism??”

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2011, 11:17 am

        “But adding the word “contiguous” doesn’t necessarily change anything. You can still have radical right-wing Jews favoring a contiguous Palestinian state, if many of the Netanyahoo Bantustan features are added. Make it contiguous, but give the Palestinians no rights to control their borders, airspace or defend themselves and you could get any number of people with extreme right wing views on Israel to agree. ”

        Radical-right Jews don’t favor a two-state solution, so I’m not sure what your point is here.

        “If they knew that this murderous massacre, with 21st Century weapons (supplied by the US taxpayer), was supposedly triggered a so-called “security concern” again, constituting little firecracker rockets that killed fewer people over a decade than die every 3.5 hours in the US in auto accidents, don’t you think they may have a more nuanced view of things? ”

        No, I don’t. I think Americans would understand that it’s not about the casualty rates. It’s about the simple fact that most of them would expect a military response if a foreign country were lobbying rockets of any kind over our border.

        “If Americans knew the real story and not the Islamophobic crap pushed by the pro-Israel crowd, don’t you think they might question an assault on the Gaza Strip that was proportional by population to an attack on American that results in 220,000 deaths and 960,000 wounded??? ”

        Nope, sorry. Americans are not big on these nuances that Europeans love and abuse to apologize for the excesses of humanity. Americans see two sides. One is a terrorist group that has the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as part of its charter, loves Osama bin Laden, and loves blowing people up. The other is a democratic country who puts up with their crap in ways America would never tolerate. Wake up! The United States spent the better part of a decade fighting two wars in countries that were in no direct way responsible for attacks on ours. Hamas is a direct enemy of Israel, not an indirect one. Americans understand that.

        “Don’t you think that if Americans actually knew these numbers they might reject the laughingly stupid notion that Israel and Israeli are hated because of what they do and not because of some idiotic notion of antisemitism?? ”

        Nope.

        “If they really know the disgusting truth, and not the AIPAC/ADL lies, they might ask a few questions about the situation.”

        I doubt it. And this is what you guys never get. When one looks at both sides of the situation, the US-loving democracy with the mostly Western culture, political, social, and economic development, and liberal values will always win out over the unsteady dictatorship with the endemic corruption, reliance on international welfare, and anti-US sentiments.

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 4, 2011, 2:34 pm

        “Radical-right Jews don’t favor a two-state solution, so I’m not sure what your point is here.”

        My point is simply that there are probably some two-state solutions which they would favor, if the conditions were torturous enough against the Palestinians to satisfy the right-wingers ideology.

        “No, I don’t. I think Americans would understand that… [4 paragraphs of AIPAC/IDF propaganda omitted.]”

        All you are doing here is parroting the same propaganda that is spoon fed to the American public by pro-Israeli media. Of course if you whitewash its crimes and frame the Palestinians suffering is a dishonest way, as you’ve done here, you can brainwash the American people. That’s what the Zionists have been doing for decades. That’s the point. It’s an uphill battle, because the average American is a fucking idiot, proudly so and a war-monger to boot. But I have my hopes…

      • hophmi
        August 4, 2011, 3:11 pm

        “My point is simply that there are probably some two-state solutions which they would favor, if the conditions were torturous enough against the Palestinians to satisfy the right-wingers ideology.”

        I disagree. My experience with the right-wingers is that they do not favor a Palestinian state under any circumstances, and that, in fact, they support a one-state solution. Some straight out support either ethnic cleansing or de jure apartheid. Some favor giving Palestinians civil and political rights so long as they swear allegiance to the state. But not many that I know of support any kind of partition of the land, regardless of the conditions. And the point I have tried to make a number of times is that the BDSers are these radicals best friends. And between these competing versions of the one state solution, you can guess which one is more likely to prevail given the military realities.

        “All you are doing here is parroting the same propaganda that is spoon fed to the American public by pro-Israeli media.”

        Not at all. Americans do not think about foreign policy the same way Europeans do. They are skeptical of international institutions, skeptical of consensus-driven policy, and much more hawkish on defense. That’s why the US spends so much on it.

        “Of course if you whitewash its crimes and frame the Palestinians suffering is a dishonest way, as you’ve done here, you can brainwash the American people. ”

        Not at all. No whitewashing necessary. I believe the Americans who actually favor a side in this conflict generally see it the Israelis’ way for all kinds of reasons, ranging from the cultural to the political to the historical.

        And when you press European leaders on these issues, they generally sympathize with the Israelis more than they’re willing to let on in public.

        The West will always in the end favor Israel politically. I don’t see that changing until the Palestinians get off international welfare and show they can sustain a democratic form of government.

      • Woody Tanaka
        August 4, 2011, 4:03 pm

        “I disagree.”

        Then we disagree. I think that some could split the differnce is the Palestinian “states” were the kind of fake statelet which Netanyaho is proposing.

        “Not at all. Americans do not think about foreign policy the same way Europeans do.”

        The American people don’t think about foreign policy at all. They react, based on a combination of gingoism, American exceptionalism, and cultural bigotry.

        “I believe the Americans who actually favor a side in this conflict generally see it the Israelis’ way for all kinds of reasons, ranging from the cultural to the political to the historical. ”

        I think that most Americans who favor one side or the other do it because 1) they’re Jews or Arabs with personal, familial, religious and/or cultural connections with the area, 2) they just assume that states aligned with the US wear white hats, and 3) because the Bible says to favor Israel. Some of these dimwits like Michelle Bachmann come right out and say so. They’re waiting for all the Jews and Arabs to blow each other up so that King Jesus can come back and create New Jerusalem and cast those Muslims and Jews who don’t thereafter covert to Christianity into the lake of fire.

        “And when you press European leaders on these issues, they generally sympathize with the Israelis more than they’re willing to let on in public.”

        Some are, some aren’t. For every one which is sympathetic, there’s one who thinks it’s a shitty little country not worth the bother.

        “The West will always in the end favor Israel politically. I don’t see that changing until the Palestinians get off international welfare and show they can sustain a democratic form of government.”

        Which won’t happen until Israel get the jackboots off the Palestinian’s neck. Which might be why Israel doens’t do so.

  4. Ellen
    August 3, 2011, 11:18 am

    hophmi, Most American Muslims are not even from the Middle East, but from Europe. The largest population of which lives in a large Mid Western City and probably do not concern themselves too much, if at all, with the two-state solution, but with other problems.

    In fact, in the US, more Arabs are Christian than Muslim and more, many more, American Muslims are European or Central Americans than Arab.

    So what does Muslim have to do with concerns about Palestine or Israel?

    • Kate
      August 3, 2011, 11:06 pm

      Ellen, I have never seen figures showing most American Muslims to be from Europe. There are Bosnians here, yes, but not many at all. I admit it’s hard to tell just what ethnic groups American Muslims come from because no one even knows how many there are in total. Estimates range from 1.5 million to 7 million. But Europeans? Are you including Turkey? Not that many of them here, either.

      Most breakdowns I’ve seen for this population put African-Americans at about 1/3 of the total of American Muslims (no, not Farrakhan’s group, often called ‘Black Muslims’ – there aren’t many of them left. I mean ‘regular’ Sunni Muslims, some of whom were formerly ‘Black Muslims’). Another 20% or so are thought to be Arab, about 25% South Asian (Pakistani, Indian, etc.), and the rest a mixture of converts of various ethnic groups and immigrants from far-flung parts of the world, majority-Muslim and otherwise (I’ve known Muslims from Mauritius, the Philippines, Bosnia, Senegal and other African countries, Trinidad and Guyana in South America, etc.). I’ve been to predominantly Arab, Pakistani, and African-American mosques in the U.S., as well as to mosques that were more mixed. Even the ‘Arab’ mosque served people from 52 countries, as well as people born in the U.S — African-Americans, Latinos, whites, Japanese, etc. And of course the children are born Americans!

      • Ellen
        August 4, 2011, 8:26 am

        Kate,

        My statement connected dots. (The dots lead to a conclusion that does not fit the current broader anti-Arab-Islamophobic narrative.)

        From the PBS

        The majority of Arab Americans are Christian. Only about 12 percent of Muslims worldwide are Arabs….

        The majority of Arab Americans are descendants of the first wave of mostly Christian immigrants, which began around 1875 and lasted until about 1920. After a period when immigration was restricted, a second wave arrived after World War II. Today, most Arab Americans are native-born Americans.

        link to pbs.org

        There are no exact figures on the number of Muslim Americans, but the number is placed at around 2 million.

        “While a precise figure remains elusive, “2 million Muslims, give or take a few hundred thousand” appears to be America’s most accurate number – for now.

        Howard Fienberg is research analyst and Iain Murray is senior analyst with the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS), a nonpartisan research organization.
        link to csmonitor.com

        This figure alone would place the largest group of Muslims in the US to be European — there are now an estimated 65K or more Bosnians and “Bosnian Americans” just in St. Louis alone. This does not count the Bosnian communities in Idaho, North Carolina, Michigan, Illinois.

        Then we have the African American Muslim Community, Philippine, etc.

        And yes, they and now their children are Americans!

  5. Richard Witty
    August 3, 2011, 11:28 am

    Its a wonderful poll result.

    It is relevant to question polls, the questions asked.

  6. Kathleen
    August 3, 2011, 11:29 am

    The two state solution is dead. Israel’s continued expansion of illegal housing in E Jerusalem and illegal settlements in the West Bank sealed the deal

  7. PissedOffAmerican
    August 3, 2011, 11:42 am

    Well, I’ve been commenting here for a coupla weeks now.

    Still not enough time to formulate a logical conclusion as to why you bother to engage Hophni or eee with anything other than satire or sarcasm.

    But hey, I’ll keep trying. Maybe I’ll figure it out. There must be some sort of redeeming logic in there somewhere, or why else wouldcha be doin’ it???

    I mean hey, what are the odds of an entire group of people purposely hitting themselves in the head with a hammer? One or two, maybe. But a whole community?????

    Egads.

    • Woody Tanaka
      August 3, 2011, 3:00 pm

      “Still not enough time to formulate a logical conclusion as to why you bother to engage Hophni or eee with anything other than satire or sarcasm.”

      I do it as a mental exercise, or a challenge, to be able to discern exactly what it is that I believe, why I believe it, and whether it is logically justifiable, moral and internally consistent. Add to that some righteous outrage at Israeli actions and a touch of obsessive-compulsive disorder, and there you go…

  8. Real Jew
    August 3, 2011, 12:38 pm

    Can you imagine how irate Speller (spencer and geller) would be if they read the results of this poll Haha. They would be tripping and shoving each other to get to the computer first to begin their belligerent hate filled propaganda. After reading it I think they would literally have a heart attack and die. Somebody should post it on their websites Haha

  9. PissedOffAmerican
    August 3, 2011, 1:36 pm

    Nothing in this poll matters.

    If these heathens think they are gonna run around hiding their womenfolk’s faces from us, and building them mosks in whitefolk neighborhoods, they gotta nuther think comin’. Its the gawdamed princpal of the hole thing!!

  10. Miura
    August 3, 2011, 3:41 pm

    Nothing particularly surprising here, except that it might trigger cognitive dissonance in those who have fallen prey to Islamophobic phantasms. After all, ‘American media have had no qualms in using terms such as “intifada” or “jihad” to describe the [2005] riots‘ in suburbs of large French cities–functional equivalents of economically depressed “projects” in American cities. This discourse lives on like a zombie without any reality to sustain it, even when social science research data spanning decades as cited by French sociologists of the caliber of Loïc Wacquant shows that the level of religious observance in French banlieues is even lower than the rest of French society, itself among the most secular in the world.

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