I will never get used to this. I hear about these arrests but this is the first time I can recall watching an abduction of a minor with all the hallmarks of a hostile kidnapping.
According to Jaber's testimony to B'Tselem, the undercover policemen forced him to lie on the floor of the vehicle and blindfolded him with a piece of cloth. He cried, out of fear and helplessness. While the vehicle was moving, the boy said, the undercover forces questioned him while slapping his face. Jaber was interrogated on suspicion of stone-throwing without having his parents present, nor was he given an opportunity to consult with a lawyer. He told B'Tselem that after he refused to sign a document written in Hebrew, the interrogators punched him and hit him with a club. He maintained his refusal and was released at the entrance to the Ma’ale Zeitim settlement, in Ras al-‘Amud, approximately an hour after he was taken. Members of his family had asked police representatives where he would be released and were waiting for him at the spot. Jaber's father took him to the emergency room at Hadassah Hospital, Mt. Scopus, where he was found to be suffering from external bruising. Jaber told B'Tselem that since the incident, he has been waking up at night from nightmares.
i’m counting at least 2 vehicles and 8 adults involved in this operation, not including the driver of the van.
don’t these people have anything better to do? doesn’t the state have something better to do?
Pigs.
Don’t insult pigs. They’re a damn cute animal.
Once again, Israel is singled out for a simple act of self-defense. And yes, the police has nothing better to do. They could try to enforce the right to drive on Sabbath, but that would require them to work of Sabbath.
“They could try to enforce the right to drive on Sabbath, but that would require them to work of Sabbath”
Well, they could get off their asses and separate the women folk from the men folk on those sinful buses, couldn’t they????
Abused and mistreated for not being born Jewish.
Is this “Never Again” in action?
Id spit on these people. Just disgusting.
Right on the button. Truly disgusting…child pornography.
This kind of video calls into question all of the times I have heard about the “suffering of the Jewish people……” blah blah blah….it now seems like they werent condemning making people suffer, just the part about them suffering…….totally twisted and evil.
I don’t understand why you guys have a problem with this. After all, the kid was playing hockey, wasn’t he?
Look, you guys don’t know what this kid did earlier, and you certainly don’t know what he was gonna do later.
(Ok, Dimatok, don’t try to tell me I’ve never done anything for you. Now you can go to lunch, and needn’t be bothered with posting on this thread. I’ve got it covered for you.)
Look, you guys don’t know what this kid did earlier, and you certainly don’t know what he was gonna do later.
i can guarantee you if he isn’t killed first he will be growing up! and if he isn’t imprisoned he’ll probably have children! and they’ll be palestinian! he’s a threat worthy of a squad training exercise if nothing else, maybe they are just in practice for the real criminals.
Thats it!!
It was “just a drill”.
Thanks man
…Um, you do know he was being sarcastic, right? That POA doesn’t hate Palestinian children like you do?
Good point…I lost my head there for a moment. We ALL need to be protected from children.
So…are these the big, brave, regular-forces IDF thugs or just the nancy reservists?
Regardless, you gotta admire the big-balls swagger of their operation (“Jump Boy”? “Smash ‘n’ Grab”? “Live #AND# Let Live”?). Nothing says “Only democracy in the Middle East” like a van-load of soldiers accosting and abducting a kid alleged to have thrown stones.
Damn you, Hamas!!!
eljay: “So…are these the big, brave, regular-forces IDF thugs or just the nancy reservists?”
Well, I was expecting one of the military vehicles to stop but it turned out to be the unmarked white van. It was a similar, spotlessly white vehicle that was involved in the arrest of the young American Lucas Koerner, so I suspect some arm of state security.
But given these sinister white vans and the white-shirted young Zionist extremists, the clear message in Israel is that when it comes to street violence and intimidation, white is indeed the new black.
Annie,
You should juxtapose this video with some of the endless ones on You tube of settler children throwing rocks at internationals. They almost always show the soldigers doing almost nothing and treating those kids with velvet gloves…
The difference is, those kids had the fortune of being born Jewish in a state where that means everything.
here are just a few…
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Now these are completely different situations, iamuglow. To begin with: no van can reach those rooftops (case closed). Then, they were clearly provoked. Or must have been. Also, who says the Israeli police did not grab them afterwards? Are you sure no investigation was announced?
Here some video for ya’ll:
link to youtu.be
why thank you very much dim, so loverly to be watching videos from the idf station. plus, one of the perks is reading the excellent accompanying explanations.
By the way this is the same brigade who killed two men two days ago in Calandia, during the night raid. Kinda ironic isn’t it? It brings my point of the embedded ambiguity of the whole situation.
do you mean in Qalandiyah? in what way do you mean ironic? could you elaborate?
Imagine the every day conflict which goes in minds of the soldiers.
I brought this example to underline my previous posts about IDF soldiers (and myself) as not a blood-thirsty thugs, but as a soldiers with moral dilemmas and highly complicated environment of operation. Same goes for their commanders.
Really? That’s the best you can come up with? ‘It’s complicated’?
But then, when I think about it – oftentimes when I see kids playing on the street I have to make split-second decisions about whether or not to kidnap and torture them while blindfolded. It’s a tough moral choice we all have to make each day.
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Sorry Dim, but only an absolute lunatic would ever even consider this, much less consider it a ‘difficult’ decision.
If it walks like SS and quacks like SS……
What is ironic?
This brigade should be in prison. And their supporters (you) should join them.
So now you’re yelling us they’re hallucinating and having paranoid episodes too.
Do you think it wise that they be carrying guns?
Highly complicated yet surprisingly easy to solve in just one single step:
1- Stop occupying Palestinian land.
There, problem solved.
Agreed.
In fact, if this were a video of Hamas, Dim, eee and Hop would be screeching about how the white van illustrated how Hamas hide among the civilian population and the absence of uniforms showed their failure to adhere to the rules of war.
So Dim good to hear that you experience moral dilemma. I think most normal humans have that experience when performing immoral acts on behalf of a state or social group.
So what are you going to do about it?
“highly complicated environment”
The old shoot-and-kvetch! Dimmy, that crock-o-crap won’t sell here.
but as a soldiers with moral dilemmas and highly complicated environment of operation. Same goes for their commanders.
American military who have had to interface with them call them undisciplined, badly trained, and substandard.
“highly complicated environment of operation?” A 50-square mile area is a highly complicated environment? The IDF have never been tested in anything except regional battles at sea level. They go home to their mamas at night. They’ve never fought in mountainous regions far from home (of course not, they don’t help anyone but themselves) at high altitudes or real battle situations. They’re a glorified police force.
dimadok…
Its NOT “complicated” for your IDF killer to kill/murder Palestinian boys & girls, and for that matter, any Arab/Palestinian regardless of their age and/or gender.
Your IDF don’t spend one hour in prison…for killing an Arab…NEVER!
If you & your IDF had any morals, they would not be murdering women, children, unarmed civilians…
Israel/zionism’s agenda is to keep oppressing the Palestinians & keep restricting their movements…so they can leave their land/country.
Just think about all those Palestinian families & their children what they have to go through because of your IDF & its oppressive occupation. Think about their fears for their lives & their children.
No Palestinian is safe from your IDF killers!
It’s only complicated because these nancy boys with guns and ski masks aka “soldiers” are aiding and abetting on going crimes, occupation, land theft,. ethnic cleasing and home demolition.
The life of a thief is always complicated.
Beware the advocate who says “it’s complicated”. Fire him. He’s too expensive, and will never get you free.
Why then US forces come to train with us? Perhaps we know more than you see- you know actual fighting and urban warfare. Tank battles and air combat. Come visit us someday you’ll see.
Shooting children throwing rocks is not urban warfare? Come to think of it, that wuodl explain why ten years later, US forces are still bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan
You call dropping 500lb bombs on Gaza air combat?
Who have you had tank battles with? Oh yeah, that’s how the fried remains of Merkava’s ended up in Southern Lebanon.
Israel doesn’t know jack about real combot as they have never faced an equal opponent in their history. they are just real good at beating up on those weaker than themselves.
“Perhaps we know more than you see- you know actual fighting and urban warfare.”
Yeah, I’m sure if the US needs tips on beating up old women, stealing farmer’s lands, kidnapping unarmed innocent teens and burning up babies with white phosphorus, you cockroaches would be on the Pentagon’s speed-dial.
Well they kinda did when they faced a few thousand fighters with a tiny fraction of the arms Israel had, and still got their asses kicked.
Dimadok, are you of Russian decent?
um that was losing to an inferior opponent not an equal one.
urban warfare dimadok? we don’t have to visit israel to see urban warfare, one only has to scroll to the top of the page to watch the video.
The ‘dilemma’ is quite simple, the Nürnberg trials did away with that – no person can hide under ‘I just followed orders’. International laws supersedes given orders at all times. International law education should be given during basic military training – if it’s not you need to seek that information yourself.
“Come visit us someday you’ll see”.
You want us to come and have a look at your village-pillage and your spoils of war?
Especially all that young human loot you’ve ‘acquired’?
Thanks for the invite Vlad the Impaler!
speaking of how helpful to farmers the idf can be, it reminded me of an article i read just this morning
Yeah right. The IDF protecting the Palestinians picing olives from attacks by settlers they are there to serve.
Thank you for showing that Israel is not always like that. That’s showing a moral dilemma indeed.
I myself, I never hit my wife on Mondays. Never!
I don’t know if this is the MONSTER at work or at play … what a sick society zionist israel has turned out to be
Looks like NATO has learned from the Israeli attack on last year’s Freedom Flotilla: Moon of Alabama: Libya: NATO Pirates Take Ship At High Sea:
When I was in the West Bank the IDF’s idea of ‘protecting’ the Palestinians from the settlers carrying guns and knives was to evict us – Palestinians and Internationals – from the Palestinian olive grove where we were trying to pick. The idea of evicting the settlers instead seems never to have occurred to them. In fact some of the soldiers were walking around arm in arm with some of the the settlers.
I wonder if Bahrain is importing its legal advisors from Israel.
“The official Bahraini government explanation of the destruction of at least 35 Shia mosques and religious sites is that they had been constructed without building permission.”
link to counterpunch.com
Brave, moral IDF. A battalion of soldiers needed to kidnap one kid playing soccer.
Occupying army gets rocks thrown at them by kids. Poor poor IDF.
Fascist thugs.
I wanna file a missin’ persons report…..
Description; 4’3″, Male, balding. Approx. 220 lbs.
Clothing; Frayed plaid bathrobe, red/white. Slippers.
Known haunts; Sofa and computer desk. Also known to frequent the refrigerator.
Known aliases: Dim, Dimadozen, Diminudik.
Last seen; August 3rd, attempting to apply lipstick to one very fat pig.
And you just won the “Almost caused Chaos to pass out laughing” award for the day.
Would you care to visit Israel someday? Perhaps we could meet ….
i’m curious how you came up w/that name. it rhymes with poppycock you know. or do you pronounce it differently?
“Would you care to visit Israel someday?”
No thanks, I’m partial to pork chops and Wendy’s Bacon Double Cheeseburgers.
Dim you are trying too hard to represent yourself as the big tough Israeli warrior. I think POed characterization is closer to the truth.
Have I ever said something about myself? I don’t think so-you know 101 of deceptive tactics they teach us in Hasbara school. But POA and the rest of marry bunch can sleep well, since their activism only behind a keyboard and nothing more. Please come visit us in Israel, perhaps you may see different perspective.
i visited. i liked a lot of the people i met there. i liked them a lot.
Actually I do know many Israelis. Perhaps my sample is biased because for the most part they live here in the US. With a few exemptions I like them, not only that but respect them. I happen to be goyim but married into a Jewish family because of the incredibly vibrant intellectual life that I experienced there.
But I will not visit Israel because that country represents something totally different from those many wonderful Russian, Polish and other Eastern European Jews that I have met over a life time. That could change, of course, but for now I honer BDS.
Well, Dimatok, I might be tempted to stand in on one of them legal peaceful protests that Israel feels the need to defend themselves against.
Somehow I have no desire to paint an “Aim here” sign on the side of my head. So I’ll just stay here in the homeland, pay my taxes, and buy your ammo for ya.
Similarly, it appears that your level of combat experience extended to using Palestinians children for target practice, nothing more.
Have done and becasue I didn’t get teh Hasbara approved guided tour, what I witnessed was beyond what I imagined – much worse.
We have videos of that too, actually. Did you forget, dim?
The DOD made an estimate that ine Hezbollah fighter was equivalient to 4 or 5 IDF fighters. Based on this pathetic performance, I’d say the DOD was being generous to the IDF.
What a pile of filth, verbal insults and self-righteous evil I have discovered here! I should send it to my friends – so they can see the “civilized” faces here.
look on the bright side. i was over at abumuqawama (coin intel site) once on a sat morning and they were in some kind of guy mood thing and one of them started telling stories about the sex lives of certain arab leaders. it was all full of a variety of animals and children (of course!). naturally i interrupted them and informed them everyone might not share their sense of humor.
I have a quite broad sense of humor and I always enjoy pushing the limits, you know dark humor and Jews go long way, but here it is beyond the borders. However it still comparable to the insults I heard during my IDF service and before that from the same Antisemitic speakers. You see- every time they call me names or make jokes about people in Israel, it makes me happy. And you know why- because my country is still there, my friends are there, life goes on. It’s when the barking stops- then I start being worried. Otherwise be my guest and bring all semantics that you have picked.
If you would dare to pull your head out of your ass for long enough, you might have figured out by now that no one has a problem with your country being there, or your friends.
What we have a problem with is you occupying land, stealing it, and driving the indigenous people from it.
“I have a quite broad sense of humor and I always enjoy pushing the limits,… but here it is beyond the borders.”
Yeah, I’m sure a Wehrmacht officer in Chicago in 1940 probably would have heard things “beyond the borders” from the Polish-Americans there. You scum only have yourselves to blame. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
So why would that be anti-Semitism if I said that? Oh right, that’s what you say whenever I post anything.
“I have a quite broad sense of humor and I always enjoy pushing the limits”
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Dima,
You probably kick Palestinian women & children at the IDF roadblocks/checkpoints & then start laughing …because of your “broad sense of humor”
He says, while flushing the toilet, where his own faeces is then dumped into Gaza.
Yeah, maybe you can introduce them to faces that don’t support mass murder, ethnic cleansing, occupation, land theft and the torture of children.
I’m sure your friends would be equally disgusted.
And you should see what we called you that didn’t get past the mods…
Boy. Ain’t that the truth!
If our banter so far has offended him, itsa good thing the monitor had the good sense to refuse my pink panty post!
“What a pile of filth, verbal insults and self-righteous evil I have discovered here!”
Yeah, well not all of us get to pass our time figuring out excuses for beating the shit out of adolescents and teenagers. So, uh, what the hell, we gotta make up for it somehow.
Tell your friends they’re in our videos! I’m sure they’ll get a kick out of that too.
You should try JSS News for some fine Jewish comments (in French though) … How do you describe something that goes way beyond a “pile of filth, verbal insults and self-righteous evil” ?
“What a pile of filth, verbal insults and self-righteous evil I have discovered here! I should send it to my friends – so they can see the “civilized” faces here.”
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Dima
Killing & murdering little Palestinian boys & girls, women, grandmothers, unarmed civilians by your IDF killers is by far the worst EVIL !
NOW THIS IS WIERD!
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS????
link to kalamu.posterous.com
>> WHAT THE HELL IS THIS????
It looks like someone has pulled a Mondoweiss thread off a feed and incorporated it into his own site. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you’ll see the acknowledgement “via mondoweiss.net”, which includes a link back to the original Mondoweiss thread.
“Someone”, according to the main page of his site, is “New Orleans writer, filmmaker and educator, Kalamu ya Salaam … co-director of Students at the Center, a writing program in the New Orleans public schools [and] moderator of neo•griot, an information blog for black writers and supporters of our literature worldwide”.
Seems harmless enough.
Damn. Not enough drama.
Cancha juice it up a little eljay? Make a controversy or conspiracy theory out of it or something?
I kinda figured it was some sorta sinister Mossad black op, designed to tie this website into the upcoming War On Circumcision.
the person who posted it is also named seham, and she’s participating in the comment section. maybe we should call in sherlock holmes and see if he can figure this one out.
>> Cancha juice it up a little eljay? Make a controversy or conspiracy theory out of it or something?
>> I kinda figured it was some sorta sinister Mossad black op, designed to tie this website into the upcoming War On Circumcision.
Looks like you’re doing just fine with the conspiracy theory angle… ;-)
If it was up to me, I’d pin the blame “dissent” and Hamas because, y’know, it’s always their fault. :-)
Okay, so maybe I’m way too vain but… yay! My valiant efforts to depants eee for making a mockery of American history has been crossposted! :D
What can I say. Artists crave attention, you know.
All humans, and many other species, are naturally provoked to affection by their own and other young. This cannot be simple inhumanity; it looks more like a deliberate policy to keep the tinder dry so that it can be ignited at a convenient time. Like next month?
GESTAPO at work.
The people watching the boys in uniform picking people off German streets also justified/rationalized those actions.