Israeli Settlers: ‘Arabs’ attacked us first . . . with harsh language

Israel National News: “First Arab ‘September Attack’: Convoy Approached Negohot; September attacks have begun: Arabs in 40-50 vehicles drove along Jewish community’s fence, taunted and jeered.”

Presumably, this will be used as evidence to suggest that the Arabs “started it,” like the way they “started” the Six Day War. But for a minor incident, it is rather illustrative of the settlement worldview as a whole:

1. Hilltop (Double) Standards – The protesters did not, at least based on what INN has reported, attempt to enter Negohot, a West Bank settlement founded in 1982. Nor did they exit their vehicles or direct anything more than words and posters at the fenced-in settlement. Nevertheless, such actions constitute an attack (not a protest – an attack), according to the settlers. Whereas attacks against Palestinian property and lives are always acts of self-preservation.

2. The Spineless Security Forces – The IDF is criticized for not being more proactive, especially since they have declared there are “red lines” Palestinians must not be allowed to cross around the settlements. According to the article, IDF soldiers simply stood by and watched the convoy slowly drive by. The article asserts that settlers must not rely on a supine IDF in the coming weeks, but rather, on themselves, because Palestinians are hopelessly foolish (but, at the same time, ingenious connivers). The IDF is a potential enemy in the eyes of the settlers, as is the PA.

3. The Arabs’ Useful Idiots – The “anti-Jewish” Israeli Supreme Court is again castigated for a decision made in 2009 that reopened Israeli Route 443 between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to Palestinian drivers such as these. The road, built on “expropriated” Palestinian land located within the West Bank, was closed to Palestinian traffic during the Second Intifada because of attacks on Israeli motorists. With support from Israeli human rights groups, suits to reopen near Palestinian villages made it to the Supreme Court, which overturned the military ban on Palestinian traffic because a panel of three justices decided the ban was a form of collective punishment. But if the road was still closed to non-Israelis, this provocation would never have happened, it is suggested. The Arab-loving left throws away Jewish lives.

4. The Opinion War – Essentially, “leftist” opinion is just as dangerous, if not more so, than any number of al Asqa Brigadists. It is an “enabler” and must be changed. “Being right isn’t enough, selling it is” – and the main talking points must be the Holocaust and the Torah. Changing the way the government appoints Supreme Court justices and licenses Israeli NGOs activities was on the legislative agendas of far-right Israeli parties during this past Knesset session. Neither effort succeeded, but the far-right has vowed to keep trying to wrest humanitarianism in the West Bank away from a far-left minority (in favor of their own far-right minority, of course – parliamentarianism, everybody!).

 So as Israel National News noted, Negohot is only the beginning this September.

 

About Paul Mutter

Paul Mutter is a contributor to Mondoweiss, Foreign Policy in Focus and the Arabist.
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  1. Woody Tanaka says:

    “Nevertheless, such actions constitute an attack (not a protest – an attack), according to the settlers.”

    In the South, the whites used to refer to this as the black folks “getting uppity.” Same dynamic, same bigotry.

  2. Paul, did you live in Israel during the Six Day War? Were you one of the people digging trenches and shelters in Jerusalem anticipating attacks from the surrounding Arab countries who had vowed to eliminate the Jews?

    No, you were not, so STFU about the Six Day War. Israel fought a defensive war against annihilation. In Israel’s case, given what it faced, it had to launch a pre-emptive strike. That might piss you off, but I would rather have that then allow the Syrian, Egyptian and Jordanian Air Forces to have bombed Israeli cities.

    • Dan Crowther says:

      hahahahaa!!!

      Man o Man – this is some really good nonsense

      Longliveisrael – your not George W. Bush, are you?

      “pre-emptive self defense” – So, the Bush Doctrine holds retroactively?

      What about this:

      General Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Staff, Israeli Defence Forces:

      “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Le Monde, February 28, 1968 )

      Menachem Begin, Minister without Portfoli:

      “In June l967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” (New York Times, August 21, 1982)

      General Ezer Weizman, Chief of Operations, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:

      The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman stated that there was “no threat of destruction” but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could “exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies.”

      “There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting.” (Ha’aretz, March 29, 1972)

      Moshe Dayan, The Defense Minister in 1967:

      Dayan who gave the order to conquer the Golan Heights, said, many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and that the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland. Dayan stated “They didn’t even try to hide their greed for the land… We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was… The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.” (The New York Times, May 11, 1997)

      General Mordechai Hod, Commanding General, Israeli Air Force:

      “Sixteen years planning had gone into those initial eighty minutes. We lived with the plan, we slept on the plan, we ate the plan. Constantly we perfected it.” (Alfred M. Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection, New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1978, pp. 558-559)

      General Mattitiahu Peled, Chief Quartermaster-General’s Branch, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:

      “All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered in our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded towards the full mobilisation of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our defence against the Egyptian threat. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel’s existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analysing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army.” (Le Monde, June 3, 1972)

      General Yeshayahu Gavish, Commanding General Southern Command:

      “The danger of Israel’s extermination was hardly present before the Six-day war.” (Alfred M. Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection , New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1978, p. 558)

      General Haim Barlev, Chief of General Staff Branch, Israeli Defence Forces:

      “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the six-day war, and we had never thought of such a possibility.” (Ma’ ariv, April 4, 1972)

      General Chaim Herzog, Commanding General and first Military Govemor, Israeli Occupied West Bank:

      “There was no danger of annihilation. Israeli headquarters never believed in this danger.” (Ma’ ariv, April 4, 1972)

      Mordechai Bentov, Minister of Housing:

      “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.” (Al-Hamishmar, April 14, 1971)

      General Meir Amit, the former head of Military Intelligence who was head of Mossad in 1967:

      “There is going to be a war. Our army is now fully mobilized. But we cannot remain in that condition for long. Because we have a civilian army our economy is shuddering to a stop. We don’t have the manpower right now even to bring in the crops. Sugar beets are rotting in the earth. We have to make quick decisions… If we can get the first blow in our casualties will be comparatively light…” ( Dennis Eisenberg, Uri Dan and Eli Landau, The Mossad: Israel’s Secret Intelligence Service , New York: New American Library, 1978)

      • seafoid says:

        Dan

        What a selection.

        Technology allows Israel to fire missiles into Gaza via drones operated from video screens anywhere in the world but it has also destroyed the Zionist narrative thanks to the possibility of gathering the type of info you just posted for access by anyone who is interested.

      • annie says:

        Israel fought a defensive war …. it had to launch a pre-emptive strike.

        starting my day with orwell

        ;)

        • Shingo says:

          Israel fought a defensive war …. it had to launch a pre-emptive strike.

          That’s right up there with, “we had to dstroy the village in order to save it”

      • Shingo says:

        Hey Dan,

        You missed one.

        General Chaim Herzog, a founding father of Israel’s Directorate of Military Intelligence. (He went on to become Israel’s ambassador to the UN and eventually the state’s president).

        “If Nasser had not been stupid enough to give us a pretext to go to war, we would have created one within a year or 18 months.”

      • Interesting, but I did a search on each of your listed quotes and not one of them came up in the sources you mentioned. They did however show up on various anti-Israel websites.

        The fact that the Israeli Army planned this scenario for many years makes perfect sense, they would be idiots not to anticipate a war and not to plan on how to win it.

        • Shingo says:

          Interesting, but I did a search on each of your listed quotes and not one of them came up in the sources you mentioned.

          That”s interesting, but you are lying. The internet wasn;t around in 1972, so you wouldn’t have found a Ma’ ariv reports from 1972.

          LLI, they didn’t plan for the scenario, they implemented it.

          As General Chaim Herzog said, “If Nasser had not been stupid enough to give us a pretext to go to war, we would have created one within a year or 18 months.”

          In other words, as they did with Syria, Israel were going to up the ante until they got the war they wanted.

        • Isn’t it interesting that these comments only appear on anti-Israel sites. Nowhere else on the Net? How is that? For instance, when I google Levi Eshkol, I get a ton of links, including a Time cover article from 1967

          Funny, I remember clearly the mobs in Cairo and Damascus screaming “Slaughter the Jews” I don’t recall demonstrations in Israel saying “Slaughter the Arabs”

        • annie says:

          I don’t recall demonstrations in Israel saying “Slaughter the Arabs”

          jerusalem day?

        • Chaos4700 says:

          And then there’s the tenor of jeers you hear whenever Israelis attend international sports events…

        • Djinn says:

          Yeah sure you did LLI – you scoured the archives of Le Monde et al going all the way back to 1968 cause they’re all on the interwebs dontcha know.

        • Shingo says:

          Isn’t it interesting that these comments only appear on anti-Israel sites. Nowhere else on the Net? How is that?

          That’s easily explained.

          A web site with one of these quotes sits there minding it;s own business and along comes a concerned Zionist troll like you who sees it, has a brain fart and dcides that the web site is anti-Israel.

          Presto.

          Becasue in your little hasbara brain, there are only 2 kinds of web sites in the
          world – pro Israeli or anti Israeli. Any web site that does not push the ISraeli narrative cannot possibly be neutral or factual. They are simply anti Israel.

          For instance, when I google Levi Eshkol, I get a ton of links, including a Time cover article from 1967

          Does that mean Levi Eshkol never existed and was made up?

        • mig says:

          LLI :

          “Isn’t it interesting that these comments only appear on anti-Israel sites. Nowhere else on the Net? How is that?”

          ++++ Well, because the true story is buried in IDF archives. We dont stop you if you wanna do your own research. Just a little warning, you might not be allowed to enter IDF archives to that section. Reason follows :

          link to haaretz.com

          But of course, blame us about this hidden information by all means.

        • Djinn says:

          Those chants, and much worse, are regularly heard from screaming, red faced Israeli citizens all over the West Bank, and as has been pointed out already, are not unheard of in Israel either.

          Is there ANY chance at all that you could post something that isn’t riddled with demonstrable untruths?

        • Inanna says:

          lli you’re a very bad researcher.

          I just took 10 seconds to do a search on the Moshe Dayan quote from the NYT in 1997:

          link to google.com.au

          and the first link was this one:

          link to nytimes.com

          which substantiates that quote.

          Try a little harder next time to make a sound argument rather than a stupid one.

        • Dan Crowther says:

          LongliveIsrael-

          link to wrmea.com

          link to normanfinkelstein.com

          Here is a couple more links for you -

        • Dan Crowther says:

          LONGLIVEISRAEL-

          UH OH – THE INTERNETS HAVE DONE RUINED YOUR CAUSE ONCE AGAIN – I FOUND THE BEGIN SPEECH!!!

          link to mfa.gov.il

          Not only is the quote that I “made up” in there – he also admits that ONLY the 48 and 73 wars were “necessary” – also including the years after the 67 war to 70 “the war of attrition” – BUT, makes clear that the current Israeli aggression in the Lebanon ( at the time of his speech in 82) the 1956 AND 1967 wars were wars of CHOICE.

        • You confirmed my point, Finkelstein?

        • Dan Crowther says:

          LLI-

          I link to Begin’s speech where he says ” lets be honest with ourselves, we chose to attack….etc” and your only retort is to smear Finkelstein?

          Say what you want about Finkelstein, I dont see anyone saying he makes up his citations. Thats what the hasbarists love to do – bash someone, but NEVER go after them for actually lying in their work, because they can’t. U Clown.

    • Donald says:

      “Israel fought a defensive war against annihilation”

      Ordinary Israeli citizens might have believed that in all sincerity, but it wasn’t true.

    • Charon says:

      “a defensive war against annihilation”

      Maybe in 1973, but not in 1967. Oh and they bullied the US with the threat of nuking Egypt and Syria in ’73 to assure ‘victory’

      Your Zioucation is false conditioning to give you a hefty sense of nationalism that Israel against all odds defeated a superior invading Arab hoard trying to push them to the sea. Egypt did deploy troops on Israel’s border but only because the USSR got intelligence indicating an attack would come there. The IDF went through the desert and around them to attack. The Israelis created the false intelligence and destroyed their airforce and military targets all in one day (not six).

      Golan Heights was stolen because the Israelis wanted some of that green pasture and apples and pretty scenery. They were jealous. Not because of defense. This is a fact. Don’t know what your definition of ‘defense’ is but I guess it includes the slaughter of thousands of civilians in Sinai buried in mass graves, the likely reason for the attack on the nearby USS Liberty.

      That ‘iconic’ (LOL!) photo of the emotional looking soldiers with the helmet on his heart in front of the wailing wall meant to be an Israeli Iwo Jima makes me throw up in my mouth. Yeah they walked a few feet killing everybody in their path to ‘liberate’ it. What an accomplishment. Those trenches that were dug were used to kill civilians and steal land. They were ordered to take as much land as possible.

      Preemptive war is a cruel (Israeli-created) farce. You assume what the ‘enemy’ will do and in nearly 100% of the cases, wrongingly so. Example – Iraq. Seems to be a common Zionist trait – assumption. Always interpreting and assuming what people say. A product of paranoia which is a product of brainwashing. To think you guys are afraid of rockets when you have a cache of nukes proves this.

      • Yes, we assumed they Jordanians were shelling Jerusalem, it was probably just a couple of kids playing with firecrackers.

        “it includes the slaughter of thousands of civilians in Sinai buried in mass graves, the likely reason for the attack on the nearby USS Liberty.”

        Yes, it was done by the same people who planned 9/11

        • Shingo says:

          “Yes, it was done by the same people who planned 9/11″

          Translation: Seeind as I’ve ended up with egg on my face yet again, I might as well make an omlette.

      • Talkback says:

        “Maybe in 1973, but not in 1967.”

        What “maybe” annihilation in 1973? The war in 1973 only took place in Syrian’s Golan Heights and across Egypt’s Suez Channel. Israel even gained territory in the east of the Golan Heights and on the left side of the channel.

      • Don’t know what your definition of ‘defense’ is but I guess it includes the slaughter of thousands of civilians in Sinai buried in mass graves, the likely reason for the attack on the nearby USS Liberty

        Which civilians are you talking about? Do you have proof of this nonsense?

        • Chaos4700 says:

          So now Sinai was “land without people too?” Are all Israelis this mindlessly deluded?

        • DBG says:

          This is a new theory for the attack on the Liberty, you people just shoot yourselves in the feet w/ your idiotic conspiracy theories.

        • DBG says:

          chaos are you intentionally slow? he was questioning the killing and burying of civilians in the Sinai by the IDF. which of course is an undocumented lie.

        • Shingo says:

          Which civilians are you talking about? Do you have proof of this nonsense?

          Good point LLI.

          There are countless exanmples of Israel massacaring civlians. In the case of the Sinai, they were prisoners of war, so while it’s a war crimes, it doesn’t count.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Wow, DBG, you have nothing better to do then watch my profile page like a hawk, clicking “refresh” every few seconds? Let me know if you found those nukes in Iraq yet. There are the families of over 4,000 dead American soldiers who really want your answer for that.

        • Shingo says:

          which of course is an undocumented lie

          Please explain what an undocumented lie is, as opposed to a documented lie please DBG?

        • Shingo says:

          This is a new theory for the attack on the Liberty, you people just shoot yourselves in the feet w/ your idiotic conspiracy theories.

          Comming from someone who believes one man one vote means a one world government, this clear up everything.

          Thanks DBG.

        • mig says:

          LLI :

          “Don’t know what your definition of ‘defense’ is”

          ++++ Defence is : Fighting against attacker in your own soil. Attack is when you gross the border with army and enter area which belongs to someone else.

        • DBG says:

          relevance? we are talking about ’67 war. why do you keep bringing up Iraq? stay focused Chaos!

        • kapok says:

          Ok, stop right there. I keep asking you yutzes why seeing anti-semites under every bed, in every corner, behind every bush, under every rock is NOT a conspiracy theory and get no answer. Why is that?

          For DBG, natch. Curses on you, mondoweiss threading system!

        • DBG says:

          again, what are you talking about Kapok, not talking about antisemitism, talking about this lie about 1000s of civilians being executed in the Sinai.

    • libra says:

      lli, remind us where you dug your trench during the Six Day War.

    • mig says:

      LLI :

      For a what ever God you pick up of your flavour – sake : There is NO preemptive wars & strikes. Either you attack, or dont= defence.

      This was done crystal clear by nazi trials in Nürnberg. Which has been part of international law since. Or do you wanna go and alter that nazi attack in Poland was legal ? I doubt that…..

    • Shingo says:

      longliveisrael, did you live in the US in the run up to the Iraq war? Were you one of the people wrapping their houses in plastic and duct tape anticipating attacks from the Iraq via air drones and WMD?

    • Sumud says:

      No, you were not, so STFU about the Six Day War. Israel fought a defensive war against annihilation. In Israel’s case, given what it faced, it had to launch a pre-emptive strike. That might piss you off, but I would rather have that then allow the Syrian, Egyptian and Jordanian Air Forces to have bombed Israeli cities.

      So I presume LLI, that you were digging those trenches in Jerusalem in 1967?

      It’s probably going to be painful but if you are intellectually honest you need to address Dan Crowther’s extensive quotes by Israeli leaders on 1967. The fact is leaders lie to their people about going to war all the time, (think Iraq 2003) and 1967 is just another case of that.

      I attended the first talk of Miko Peled’s Australian lecture tour and he also talked about 1967. He has researched the Israeli military archives and describes the situation as the military pushing hard for war, because they knew that at that time they would be victorious. There was a window of opportunity to complete the Israeli acquisition of 100% of mandate Palestine, but that Egypt especially was expanding it’s army and victory could not be guarenteed by 1968 or 1969.

      1967 was not about Egypt, Syria or Jordan, it was about territorial acquisition by war, which is of course forbidden under international law.

    • pjdude says:

      bs like almost all of israel’s wars the 6 day war was an agressive one.

  3. Shmuel says:

    ‘Arabs’ attacked us first . . . with harsh language

    … and when they could not reach each other, they yelled insults. Here rank and intensity of insult was decisive, for according to whether the offense given was mortal–to be wiped out in blood–medium or light, various reparations were laid down or even implacable hatreds transmitted to descendants. So the important thing then was to understand each other, not an easy things between Moors and Christians and with the various Moorish and Christian languages; what did one do if along came an insult one just couldn’t understand? One might find oneself swallowing it and being dishonored for life. So interpreters took part in this phase of the battle, light-armed men swiftly mounted on fast horses which swivelled around catching insults on the wing and translating them there and then into the language of destination.

    “Khar as-Sus!”
    “Worm’s excrement!”
    “Mushrik! Sozo! Mozo! Enclavao! Marrano! Hijo de puta! Zabalkan! Merde!”

    These interpreters, by tacit agreement on both sides, were not to be killed. Anyway they galloped swiftly away and if it wasn’t easy in that confusion to kill a heavy warrior mounted on a charger which could scarcely move for its encrustation of armor, imagine how difficult it was with these grasshoppers. But war is war, as the saying goes, and every now and again one did catch it. Anyway, even with the excuse of knowing how to say “Son of a whore” in a couple of languages, they had to expect some risk.

    Italo Calvino, The Nonexistent Knight, trans. Archibald Colquhoun

  4. Dan Crowther says:

    Negohot is the beginning, some crazed settler at Al Aqsa will be the end

  5. seafoid says:

    link to nationofchange.org

    “It is the first death which infects everyone with the feelings of being threatened,” wrote Elias Canetti. “It is impossible to overrate the part played by the first dead man in the kindling of wars. Rulers who want to unleash war know very well that they must procure or invent a first victim. It needs not be anyone of particular importance, and can even be someone quite unknown. Nothing matters except his death; and it must be believed that the enemy is responsible for this. Every possible cause of his death is suppressed except one: his membership of the group to which one belongs oneself.”

  6. Eva Smagacz says:

    “It is impossible to overrate the part played by the first dead man in the kindling of wars. Rulers who want to unleash war know very well that they must procure or invent a first victim. It needs not be anyone of particular importance, and can even be someone quite unknown. Nothing matters except his death”

    For me, it was obscenity of using the death of a female Iranian protestor, Neda Agha-Soltan to stir up the support for attack on Iran. Her Wikipedia entry is berely shorter than that of Tony Judt.

    On a lighter note, I am still waiting at Palestinian sneezing on public transport and him being accused of attacking Jews with biological weapons, and someone writing a fatwa that it is permissible to kill him and his entire family. Actually, the way things are going it is more likely than I would like it to be.

    • Fatwas for killing people are common in the Muslim world Eva, but of course you know that.

      • In Israel it is called targeted assassination. ill is of course an expert on the Muslim world, at his age of 13

      • seafoid says:

        It only counts as sacred if you kill hundreds of people with technology, doesn’t it?

      • Eva Smagacz says:

        Yes, and they are getting more common in Jewish world, showing the common, and dare I say, oriental, or is judeo-islamic? , approach to smiting one’s enemies using fundamentalist self-belief in infallibility of one’s interpretation of Holy Book.

      • Shingo says:

        Fatwas for killing people are common in the Muslim world Eva, but of course you know that.

        In the Israelil world they call it extra judicial assassinations.

      • Real Jew says:

        Longlive, there is no way you truly believe the nonsensical prattle constantly spewing from your mouth. You have already exposed yourself by completely ignoring what Dan Crowther provided in response to your propaganda. I’d ask you to resond to him but we all know you can’t

        • Shingo says:

          Longlive, there is no way you truly believe the nonsensical prattle constantly spewing from your mouth.

          I beg to differ RJ. Nonsensical prattle is the very essence of Zionism. Just look at Witty.

        • john h says:

          The problem is, that is exactly what they do believe. It comes from the Zionist cult’s brainwashing of them, which is also keeping them separated from the second rate other.

          Living their myths in their time-warp, they have little idea of, and no interest in, how the real world lives in the 21st century.

        • If you weren’t so hasty to judge, you would see this response that I posted earlier.

          Interesting, but I did a search on each of your listed quotes and not one of them came up in the sources you mentioned. They did however show up as quotes on various anti-Israel websites, but not in the sources listed.

          The fact that the Israeli Army planned this scenario for many years makes perfect sense, they would be idiots not to anticipate a war and not to plan on how to win it.

          Having said the above. Was the IDF command sure they could win if they struck preemptively? Yes. The IDF had to plan to win, Israel could not afford to lose, especially back then.

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        • Chaos4700 says:

          What?! You mean Little Green Footballs and JihadWatch didn’t have the quote?! Did you check your entire blogroll, LLI?

        • Shingo says:

          Interesting, but I did a search on each of your listed quotes and not one of them came up in the sources you mentioned

          It’s not interesting LLI, you’re just bullshitting. The course mentined date back to 1972 and long before the WWW and long before Maariv had a web site.

          The fact that the Israeli Army planned this scenario for many years makes perfect sense, they would be idiots not to anticipate a war and not to plan on how to win it.

          zIt also makes perfect sense if as Miko Peled expained, the goal was to steal land.

          Was the IDF command sure they could win if they struck preemptively? Yes. The IDF had to plan to win, Israel could not afford to lose, especially back then.

          Sorry but your argument fails. Are you argunig that if Israel was seriously under threat and they weren’t sure of winning, they would not try to defend themslves?

      • mig says:

        LLI :

        “Fatwas for killing people are common in the Muslim world Eva, but of course you know that.”

        ++++ Ahem, lets look another FATWAS that has been announced :

        *In 2001, religious authorities in the United Arab Emirates issued a fatawā against the children’s game Pokémon, after finding that it encouraged gambling, and was based on the theory of evolution,*

        *In 2001, Egypt’s Grand Mufti issued a fatwā stating that the show “Who will Win the Million?” (modelled on the British show Who Wants to be a Millionaire?) was un-Islamic.[9] The Sheikh of Cairo’s Al-Azhar University later rejected the fatwā, finding that there was no objection to such shows since they spread general knowledge.*

        *Sheik Sadeq Abdallah bin Al-Majed, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Sudan, issued a fatwā that prohibits vaccination of children claiming it is a conspiracy of the Jews and Freemasons.*

        *In 1998, Grand Ayatollah Sistani of Iraq, issued a fatwā prohibiting University of Virginia professor Abdulaziz Sachedina from ever again teaching Islam due in part to Sachedina’s writings encouraging acceptance of religious pluralism in the Muslim world.*

        This is nice one :

        **In 2005, the Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued the fatwā that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that Iran shall never acquire these weapons.**

        *Another example of a fatwā is forbidding the smoking of cigarettes by Muslims.*

        *In September 2007, the Central Java division and Jepara branch of the Indonesian organisation Nahdlatul Ulama (the Awakening of the Religious Scholars) declared the government’s proposal to build a nuclear power station nearby at Balong on the Muria peninsula haram or forbidden. The fatwā was issued following a two-day meeting of more than a hundred ulama to consider the pros and cons of the proposal addressed by government ministers, scientists and critics. The decision cited both positive and negative aspects of the proposal, which it had balanced to make its judgment. Key concerns were the question of long-term safe disposal and storage of radioactive waste, the potential local and regional environmental consequences of the plant’s operation, the lack of financial clarity about the project, and issues of foreign technological dependence.*

        Another good one :

        **In 2008, Indian Ulema from the world renowned seminary of Deoband have categorically issued a fatwā against terrorism and mentioned that any sort of killing of innocent people or civilians is Haram or Forbidden.**

        link to en.wikipedia.org

      • Cliff says:

        Incinerating Palestinian children is an IDF hobby, LLI. You should know that.

    • Yes Eva, unlike Catholic Poland which is almost Judenrein, and now they are building museums about the Jews there, so you Poles can go and feel good that you are commemorating us.

      • Chaos4700 says:

        So it’s not enough to hate and slander Arabs, now you’re going to go after Catholics? Tell me, did Catholics run the concentration camps? Or did a lot of us protect Jews at the risk of our own lives against Nazi Germany.

        You don’t just spit on Polish people and Catholics, Israeli. You spit on Polish Jews. Which is no surprise, there’s nothing an Israeli Jew hates more than Jews who don’t need him and thus don’t defer to him.

        • pjdude says:

          there is next to nothing in this world that Israeli jews hate more then the polish christians that risked their entire towns lives to save them. well at least if any of the Israeli jews I have seen post on the internet are any indication

        • So Chaos, who ran the camps, Mormons?

          All I know is that Poland is Judenrein. Jews who went back to Poland after the war were murdered by Poles and hounded out of the country. Yet Eva preaches to us about human rights.

        • DBG says:

          Chaos, please don’t tell us how righteous the Catholics were during the Holocaust. You guys are still apologizing to us for your Pope’s actions during the slaughter of 1/3 of our population WORLD WIDE.

        • mig says:

          ” please don’t tell us how righteous the Catholics were during the Holocaust.”

          ++++ Some were, some didnt. Hard to tell because most of them didnt know what was happening in camps. Or that camps existed overall. And what could Pope do then ? You think that He had some information what was happening in eastern parts of europe ? Maybe you should let go holocaust victims finally.

        • MRW says:

          Just stop, DBG.

          The American Jewish Committee figures do not match your hyperbole.

          My sister-in-law’s mother was an orphan during WWII. She was Jewish. The Zionist charities in Europe refused to help her. She was left to die (aged 11).

          Catholic nuns found her (near death) and provided food, shelter, and a camouflage.

        • MHughes976 says:

          I guess most of the people who staffed (rather than directed) the camps were at least nominally Catholics or Protestants. Some, a significant proportion, of the Soviet secret police were Jewish, a fact which enabled Stalin first to use them and then purge them. The Dutch Catholic Bishops did denounce the deportations, though with not much support from the Pope. The Danes, mainly Prots, did make an effort to send their Jewish fellow-citizens to safety in Sweden. There’s good and bad in all of us regardless of religion. We’re all human.
          We could reach back further into history to make the same point.
          We all have the right to denounce injustice.

        • pjdude says:

          I know the incident you are talking about. and at that point their were still NAzi troops in the country. they weren’t houned out of the country rather than stay and help rebuild poland they wanted to go and opress some arabs.

          your exactly the same as the Israeli when asked if the roles were refused would you have saved the family that saved you and answered flat out no.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Chaos, please don’t tell us how righteous the Catholics were during the Holocaust.”

          No need. Yad Vashem has already done so. Ethnic Poles, for whom Catholicism is nearly universal, have the highest number of “rightious among the nations.” These Catholics faced the death of their entire families to help Jews, and did so in larger numbers than any other nationality.

          The second on that list is a partly Catholic country (in the 1940s), Netherlands; and the third is a predominantly Catholic country, France.

          So if your intent is the cast aspersions against Catholics based on your ideas about Pius XII — borne, not doubt, of Goldhagen and Cornwell (talk about cause for apology… consider these two) — then you are clearly guilty of bigoted thinking and should be ashamed of yourself.

        • pjdude says:

          what did you want him to do. if he spoke out he could have obliterated the holy see like that. your showing the same selfishness we always see from a lot of jews when talking about what others did. crying about how others didn’t put the jews survival above their own.

        • Example of how you have no clue. Israel has honoured these people as Righteous Among the Nations in Yad Vashem.

          link to www1.yadvashem.org

          Don’t get carried away, these people were a tiny, tiny, minority in Poland. Our history in Poland with Christians is saturated with our blood, as it was in many countries

        • pjdude says:

          no they weren’t. thanks for showing you have no clue what it meant for a pole to try and save a jew in occupied poland. when the nazis thought some in a town was harbouring jews they would line up people in the town square and execute them in hopes of people turning the people in. it was a town wide effort for the most part to protect the jews of poland. your showing how well Israeli propaganda and bigotry clouded your mind to reality. did poland treat its jewish population perfectly far from it but it was in no way shape or form saturated in blood.

        • pjdude says:

          no it honored those who had them in their homes. their are countless others who tried to prtect and save the jews that aren’t up their.

        • Mooser says:

          “Which is no surprise, there’s nothing an Israeli Jew hates more than Jews who don’t need him and thus don’t defer to him.”

          Bingo! But this is an area of great concern. Since Israelis live in Israel, and can over to God’s house and talk right in His ear, they will tell Him to kick all the rest of us out.

          One common thread among all the Zionists I have ever read on the web: they all think there are way too many Jews, and they are itching to get rid of some.

        • eljay says:

          >> One common thread among all the Zionists I have ever read on the web: they all think there are way too many Jews, and they are itching to get rid of some.

          And you should know, seeing as how you were practically excommunicated by eee just two days ago!

        • Mooser says:

          Gosh, longliveisrael, I find it impossible to understand you! What would you rather concentrate on, those Christians who did make attempts to protect Jews, or those who didn’t? Look on the bright side, my son, you’ll live longer, and your digestion will be better.
          You seem to have a chronic case of dyspepsia. I bet heartburn is epidemic in Israel. I wonder how much of that 3 billion dollars a year you steal from my pocket goes to Bromo-seltzer.

        • DBG says:

          One common thread among all the Zionists I have ever read on the web: they all think there are way too many Jews, and they are itching to get rid of some.

          STFU Mooser

        • Chaos4700 says:

          I guess Mooser had you pegged, Denier.

        • Mooser says:

          “STFU Mooser”

          Yup, I knew that one would get right in amongst you, DBG. But I will soften my remark, it might have been too harsh. Ultimately, I don’t think Zionists will want to kill any more Jews than it takes to keep the “sunk cost” syndrome going. I’m sure they would be satisfied if they could get the rest of the Jews in the world placed under their jurisdiction. I mean, who else has the right to tell us how we should act?

        • Mooser says:

          Oh, BTW, DBG, if the stuff you read at Mondoweiss bothers you, it is actually possible to see other websites. Consult the manual for your computer.
          And if Phil has you locked up and is forcing you to read this horrible website, let me know, and I’ll know what to do about it!

        • Mooser says:

          “STFU Mooser”

          Look, DBG, you can fling all the pooh you want, but it doesn’t hit me, and you’ll just have to clean off your monitor later. I know that’s hard for you to believe but it’s true. I would say you will have to wash your hands, too, but I don’t generally believe in miracles. Why wash when you can sniff?

  7. Sherman, set the wayback machine to the start of the attacks. We’ll get to the bottom of this.

    Right, Mr. Peabody.

    [the lead in the echo chamber would be"Mr. Peabody & Sherman Reveal Themselves to be Virulent Anti-Semites"]

  8. tod says:

    Damn Arab terrorists!!! They will stop at nothing!!!
    They should be bombed… oh, wait!?

  9. RoHa says:

    Think of the suffering of those poor Jewish settlers.
    There they are, peacefully trying to make a living by farming the unforgiving earth, and suddenly a bunch of swarthy, unshaven, etc., Arabs drive past and assaults their delicate ears with

    “Flamin’ drongos”
    “Your mother is so fat …”
    “Neener neener neener ..”
    “May your ears turn into arseholes and shit on your shoulders.”

    etc.

    And possibly even – GASP! – rude gestures!

    Oh, the horror!

    • Mooser says:

      “Can there be a more humiliating calling than being a modern day hasbarist? Might as well tattoo “ASSHOLE” on your forehead.”

      Aha, thanks! I always wondered how they know each other in a crowd.

  10. POA says:

    Egads.

    Can there be a more humiliating calling than being a modern day hasbarist? Might as well tattoo “ASSHOLE” on your forehead.

    • Shingo says:

      That’s priceless POA,

      Indeed, I often debate whether modern day hasbarist are very brave or simply very stupid.

      I think the answer is pretty obvious.