At The Hill, Lanny Davis says that Democrats lost the Brooklyn congressional district because of Jews, whom Obama offended with three poor word choices. Here's one of them:
In Obama’s Cairo speech in the first few months of his administration, he said that the state of Israel was born as a result of the Holocaust. He seemed to be giving credence to the historical lie that offends Jews all over the world, part of a campaign to delegitimize Israel by those who refuse to accept Israel as a sovereign Jewish state — i.e., that Israel was founded by alien Europeans after World War II, foisted on native Palestinian Arabs. This lie denies the historical fact of Jewish ties to the land of Israel going back more than 3,000 years. Obama also seemed oblivious to the trauma of the “Diaspora,” the forced expulsion of Jews from the holy land of Israel beginning with the destruction of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms of the Jewish people more than 2,600 years ago.
This lie denies the historical fact of Jewish ties to the land of Israel going back more than 3,000 years. Obama also seemed oblivious to the trauma of the “Diaspora,” the forced expulsion of Jews from the holy land of Israel beginning with the destruction of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms of the Jewish people more than 2,600 years ago.
Oh, jesus. The trauma?
heavens to murgatroid.
Do they also believe the earth is flat?
Wow. haha, this is pretty good man; trauma’s of 2600 years ago affecting people living today. What we need is an independent Jebusite state RIGHT NOW!! Set the Canaanites Free!!
How is finding King David’s City going, by the way? Any luck?
“This lie denies the historical fact of Jewish ties to the land of Israel going back more than 3,000 years”
OK folks start packing it up the native Americans want their land back.
Clearly the Dem Jews in this district put Israel above US National security again.
Bibi…no movement out of him same old same old.
RE: “In Obama’s Cairo speech…he said that the state of Israel was born as a result of the Holocaust. He seemed to be giving credence to the historical lie…that Israel was founded by alien Europeans after World War II, foisted on native Palestinian Arabs…” ~ Lanny Davis
MY COMMENT: Avigdor Lieberman & Co. were very upset by Obama’s having referred to the Holocaust, etc. as justifying Israel’s existence in his June 2009 Cairo speech. For instance, see this rant by Melanie Phillips on 6/04/09. – link to spectator.co.uk
I have spent a lot of time wondering why they were so upset by Obama’s referring to the Holocaust, etc. Apparently it is because the Holocaust, etc. might well justify the existence of Israel, but they fear it does not necessarily justify Israel’s absorption of “Judea and Samaria” [a/k/a the "disputed" West Bank (f/k/a the occupied West Bank)]. Consequently, they want the “Biblical narrative” used to justify Israel’s existence because they see it as being more specific to “Judea and Samaria”.
By referring to Israel as the ‘historic homeland’ of ‘the Jewish people’, Obama has – for the settlers in the West Bank and their supporters – acknowledged that “Judea and Samaria” are a legitimate part of Israel.
P.S. RE: “For instance, see this rant by Melanie Phillips on 6/04/09. – link to spectator.co.uk” – me (above)
TRY THIS LINK INSTEAD – link to images.spectator.co.uk
“Historical homeland” does not bestow any rights on putative descendants of their cousins. Lithuanians survived massacre of Baltic peoples by Teutonic Knights but Prussians and Yotvingians did not make it, so some Lithuanians think that they have moral rights to the lands of the Yotvingians (currently these lands belong to Lithuania, Poland, Belorus and Russia. The claim is as good as for the claim if Judeans for the former lands of the Lost Tribes of Israel.
Or consider ancestral lands of Aryans in Central Asia. Indians have moral right to Turkmenistan with its rich fields of natural gas. Or is it Iran? (Also Aryans.) Or perhaps Turkmens descend from local Aryans who adopted a Turkic language? Again, the problem is of inheriting “historical moral rights” of ethnic cousins.
Talmud claims that Samaria belonged to Lost Tribes of Israel. Samaritans claim that they were never lost. Talmudic authorities view Samaritans as fake Israelitites, but Samaritans have their own books. In any case, it is hard to see that Judeans have a better case than Lithuanians. At least there is considerable consensus where did Yotvingians live and when they were exterminated, one does not have to rely on competing sources.
Or consider Mayan peoples who got their lands from gods, if I recall, winning them on a bet by playing ball. We could restore Greater Armenia to Armenians, who have 3000 years of high quality historical connection (or more if we agree that they inherited from earlier Urartu). That would solve a major part of Kurdish problem. Further north we have a number of claims and counterclaims going back to antiquity and Middle Ages.
“the Yotvingians”..”they inherited from earlier Urartu”
You just made those up, didn’t you?
“Talmud claims that Samaria belonged to Lost Tribes of Israel. Samaritans claim that they were never lost.”
T: Hey, you’re one of the Lost Tribes! Welcome back!
S: We’re not lost. We know where we are, and we’ve always been here.
(Unlike the long-lost Yallaahwi tribe, who wander through the jungle in a state of continuous self-determination, shouting out “We’re the Yallaahwi.”)
“Mayan peoples who got their lands from gods, if I recall, winning them on a bet by playing ball”
Now that sounds fair.
Merde, just heard that Mongols want their empire back. Similar messages has heard from Rome, Persia and China even. More to come :
link to en.wikipedia.org
I’ve heard similar reports about the Majapahit and Funan kingdoms. But so far nothing from the Avars or the Scythians.
Zionism is not cerebral and there is a danger in being too cerebral about it. The standing ovations Abbas received a few hours ago were expressions of pure emotion and as the delegates surged to their feet six billion of us whom they represent could share a glimpse of twig in the beak of the dove. I doubt such an emotion has ever swept across our planet before. Dialectical exchanges are fine but one needs also to factor in the human element, it is after all what gave rise to the ‘Arab Spring’.
what is this zionism thing?
a subconscious longing to return to the days of one’s bronze age ancestors?
based on what, fairy tales?
the universe created in seven days & other such jibberish
or is it simply land theft?
latter day colonialism masquerading as a homecoming
as if jews are migratory birds bent on returning to some hereditary nesting place
like a phenomenum of nature
except most of the flock refuse to migrate
can’t fool us by passing off someone else’s (the palestinian’s) homeland as if it’s “for jews only”
blessed be america
israel ain’t for us!
no way
never
not even for a minute