Michele Bachmann
Zionist politics makes for such strange bedfellows. Michele Bachmann, the rightwing Minnesota congresswoman and presidential candidate, will be addressing the Zionist Organization of America in New York tonight, alongside Glenn Beck and Benjamin Netanyahu. It's that all-important NY primary... And the new rightwing coalition across religious lines-- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen too. Louis Brandeis after whom the dinner is named is rolling in his grave. Press release:
Urbandale, Iowa – Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann will address the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) at the 114th Anniversary Louis D. Brandeis Award Dinner on Sunday, Nov. 20. During her speech, Bachmann will stress the significance of the U.S.-Israel relationship while advocating for stronger measures to prevent a nuclear Iran.
The ZOA is the United States' oldest pro-Israel organization, and has worked to educate Americans about the importance of strong U.S.-Israel ties. Keynote speakers include Glenn Beck and Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will address the dinner by video.
The following event, which occurs in Eastern Time, is open to credentialed media: Sunday, November 20, 2011
ZOA 114th Anniversary Louis D. Brandeis Award Dinner 6:00 pm
Grand Hyatt New York 109 East 42nd Street at Grand Central Terminal New York, NY
Are you going? Live blogging? They will probably arrest you even if you get near the place.
Jesus also wanted to pay respect to NY Zio~clowns, unfortunately he’s still stuck to that cross all around the globe.
That’s kind of insulting sentence.
I don’t like it.
RE: “That’s kind of insulting sentence. I don’t like
it.” ~ dumvitaestspesest
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I hope Max Blumenthal is gonna be there……..haven’t had a Blumenthal video in a while…..
There is a protest sponsored by Jews Say No! and co-sponsored by JVP, Codepink-NYC, WESPAC, Adalah-NY and others.
Meet outside the Grand Hyatt Hotel 109 East 42nd at Grand Central Station at 5PM.
Hope to hear how this went.
Pathetic ,…
I don’t know. Sure, Beck’s crazy and all that, but the ethnocentrist in me sort of asks why they can’t bring us a right-wing Jewish radical instead of a blundering idiot like Beck? Bachmann is needed for political cover(but why not go for someone in a stronger position who is known for being an ultra-hawk, like Gingrich?), but surely Beck and Ros-Lehtinen could be replaced.
Say what you will, but I personally appreciate the intellect of David Horowitz in his non-ranting moments.
I also personally enjoy the style of Morton Klein. He has such Jewish passion, albeit much of it is misguided.
Liberalism is fine in it’s own way, but many liberal Jews aren’t very Jewish. If TSHTF, then I’d prefer to have my Morton Klein’s at my side over the Norman Finkelsteins any day.
Hang on. Michelle Bachmann? Presidential Candiate?
Is this the same Michelle Bachmann who went to John Wayne Bobitt’s hometown and paid homage to a Hollywood movie star?
The same Michelle Bachmann who said that Iraq should pay for being invaded, losing 1 million lives and should expect hardship for decades to pay for the Bush administration’s lies about WMD?
Good Lord…………
Something that’s just so essential to make a good start in life, education. Apparently that includes an organization that
has worked to educate Americans about the importance of strong U.S.-Israel ties.
Tell me, and be quick! Where’s the nearest organization working to deprogram Americans from the lies they’ve been told concerning the importance of strong US-Israel ties?
An essential part of any such deprogramming would be re-education in the values of morality and justice, and in what Israel is and has been actually doing on the ground.
A good way to begin to do this is to introduce the story of a Palestinian family whose mother was murdered by Israel, a family who say,
we have established this website to Establish a forum to educate people regarding the circumstances of her death and other innocent Palestinian civilians killed in a similar senseless manner.
link to remembershaden.org
link to mondoweiss.net
Let’s start with Michelle Bachmann, shall we?
The fundamentalist Christians have a specially nutty reason for supporting Israel. According to their End Times theology:
The rebirth of ancient Israel is (yet another) Sign of the Times, proof that Jesus is about to return. At that point Jews will either convert to Christianity and be saved, or persist in their false religion and perish in Armageddon. Believe it or not, the fumdamentalists actually believe this.
Believe it or not, the fundamentalists actually believe this.
Not all, Ned, and certainly not me. I’m one of those fundamentalists that won’t have a bar of it. You can see from my posts that I call them what they are, a malignant cancer and Zionist Israel idolizers who are blind in this area.
So see if you can remember that when you use that buzzword this way, to say “most”, or perhaps “almost all”. Cheers.
Whom do you mean by “fundamentalist Christians”?
I’ve never heard such a term??
Where have you been, dumvita?
A fundamentalist Christian is a person who believe the ‘fundamentals’ or basic foundations of the faith. These include that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah, that he died as the ultimate sacrifice as our representative (“he took our place in redeeming sacrifice”), and that he rose again from the dead and is coming back. Those are just some of them.
I have a little thought I’ve until now kept to myself. The word makes me think “funny-mentals’, which I reckon those who are not think of us as being!
john h .
Sorry to say it ,but where have YOU been??
For the starters ,a few basic definitions , just to see where we are.
“The term “fundamentalism” was originally coined by its supporters to describe a specific package of theological beliefs that developed into a movement within the Protestant community of the United States in the early part of the 20th century, and that had its roots in the Fundamentalist–Modernist Controversy of that time.”
“Fundamentalism as a movement arose in the United States, starting among conservative Presbyterian theologians at Princeton Theological Seminary in the late 19th century. It soon spread to conservatives among the Baptists and other denominations around 1910-1920. The movement’s purpose was to reaffirm key theological tenets and zealously defend them against the challenges of liberal theology and higher criticism.”
“The term “fundamentalism” has its roots in the Niagara Bible Conference (1878–1897) which defined those tenets it considered fundamental to Christian belief. The term was popularized by the “The Fundamentals”, a collection of twelve books on five subjects published in 1910 and funded by the brothers Milton and Lyman Stewart This series of essays came to be representative of the “Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy” which appeared late in the 19th century within some Protestant denominations in the United States, and continued in earnest through the 1920s. The first formulation of American fundamentalist beliefs can be traced to the Niagara Bible Conference and, in 1910, to the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church which distilled these into what became known as the “five fundamentals”
“An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
b. Adherence to the theology of this movement”.
What you, John h , gave me is just a basic tenent of Christianity.
So called “Christian fundamentalism” ,as we can see ,is a different thing.
Don’t forget, “Christainity is (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Khristos, “Christ”, literally “anointed one”) a monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings. Adherents of the Christian faith are known as Christians.”
Yet, christianity is divided not only in 3 major parts, ( Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy and Protestantism) , but all those 3 divisions are further divided into groups ,who oftentimes consider each other to be unholy, heretics etc.
Especially Protestantism became a happy denominaton ,in which everbody thinks he is right and has his own receipe on how to obtain heaven, and who will be condemned to hell. We have Lutherans, Methodists, many different kind of Baptists , Anglicans, Pentecostals and many other weird Evangelical “churches”), Non-Trinitarian etc.
Protestantism became one big mishmash of a “Christian” dogmas, in which everything is allowed.
Oftentimes they should be called sects/cults.
Thanks dumvita, for a good summary of what you said you had “never heard such a term??”! So I am now puzzled as to why you wrote that post at all.
Much of your post consisted of quotes but you gave no source or link.
And you did not state what those five fundamentals are.
The inspiration of the Bible and the inerrancy of Scripture.
The virgin birth of Christ.
The belief that Christ’s death was the atonement for sin.
The bodily resurrection of Christ.
The historical reality of Christ’s miracles.(Wikipedia)
My short post was off the top of my head, I should have checked it out first, so I only got three of them.
Tom O’Golo declares that fundamentalists that use violence to further their cause contravene the root truth of all faiths:
A genuine fundamentalist is also a radical, someone who tries to get the root of the matter. A major weakness with many or perhaps most radicals is not that they don’t dig, but that they don’t dig deep enough. Consequently many fundamentalists end up defending or acting upon beliefs which are not really at the heart of their doctrine. For example any religious fundamentalist who harms others in the pursuit of his or her radicalism is strictly out of order as no true religion ever encounters anything but love, tolerance and understanding.
‘Thou shalt not kill’ is at the heart of all genuine faiths, certainly the three based upon Abraham and God. That trio comprehensively condemns intentional harm to others (and to the self as well) for what ever reason. Dying to protect one’s faith is acceptable; killing to promote it isn’t. Arguably, it is blasphemous to say that God needs an earthly army to fight Its battles, or perform Its revenge. God is quite capable of fighting Its own battles.[31] (Wikipedia)
This is one of several major reasons why Christian Zionism is contrary to Christ. It is using Israel as its proxy.
link to en.wikipedia.org
What I was trying to say it the fact , that the term “Christians” is a very broad term, often misused, misinterpreted.
There is plenty of a very distinct divisions in a “Christian world”.
Protestants have not too much in common with the Catholic Church.
Quite the opposite, there is lots of dislike between the two of them.
And I’m being nice and polite using the word “dislike”.
The Catholic Church is also VERY divided within the least 30/40 years.
There are 3 groups in it, that are going further and away from each other.
Sedevacantists, ( who do not acknowledge ANY pope after the II Vatican Council as a valid pope). “Sede vacante” means an “empty seat”.
I do support a lot of their thesis.
There is also a strong, and getting more and more popular movement within a CChurch , called the Society of St. Pius X ,which also does not like ” changes” brought by the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), but acknowledges the popes chosen after IIVC.
And there is a present, the official Catholic Church, which with its speed towards so called ecumenism and modernism ,makes many people/faithful wonder if they are not about ,( along with the leaders of other big, wordly religious), building ONE WORLD, global religion.
Many, very disturbing thing are going on there.
We do live in a very interesting times.
I’m not that happy about that.
It appears that you are Catholic of some kind, with great concern about the ferment that seems to be going on within that church.
As I understand it (and you would know far better than me), Catholics would, at least officially, agree with the five fundamentals. I once read all their booklets for newcomers, and that was certainly the impression I got then.
Things going on around us can indeed be disturbing. We just have to be simple, “as a little child”, and keep on keeping on, knowing who we have believed. Take care.
I’m right now rather a “‘wondering catholic”, ‘puzzled catholic”, rebelious catholic” “catholic with too many questions & doubts” , and so on.
I’m like a “little child” ,who tries to understand something, that maybe is beyond my understanding. “Scio me nihil scire”.
“I know one thing, that I know nothing”, by Socrates.
In the vast ocean of knowledge ,what we know, is only a small, teeny-tiny drop. Sometimes I think that I do possess answers for many of my questions. Most of the time I feel like I have more questions, and I know, I won’t get answers for most of them.
Maybe I just should stop asking???
Is there such a term as “mental/intellectual masochism??
Isn’t that just what a “little child” does? One of our boys was often asking “what means that?” Anyone that doesn’t ask questions is dead in the water.
Isn’t that what led us to our views on Israel/Palestine? Something sometime about it made us want to get to the bottom of it. So we did some research, used our common sense, applied our morality, and this is, or should be, the inevitable result. We got an answer to the main question even if we still may have a few questions about some details.
God expects us to ask questions, otherwise how could we be able to hear his answers? So don’t stop! Even when the answers don’t seem to come. His answers could include listen to me, you don’t need to know, I’ll tell you later when you’re ready, and you go figure it out!
To answer your last question, yes, and you are not alone in asking it.
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:)) it looks like I’ m not the first one ,who used this term “mental/intelectual masochism:). Bummer.
You are right. I/we should not stop asking questions, and look for answers even though ,often , it seems like digging its own (mental) grave.
Once I’ve read pretty interesting sentence, that said something like this: “When you meet/see/discover The Truth ,you are drawn to it, and there is no way to turn/go back.”
Once the Truth plants its seed in somebody’s mind/heart/soul ,it is hard to pretend like it does not exists.
Yeah, that sentence is a pretty interesting one. It’s also about right, as is the one you added.
I guess “the truth” is different for different people, but for me it is the one who said “I am the way, the truth, and the life”. That is what or who I was drawn to, and there’s no way I’m going to turn around and go back to what was before.
Yes, that is the seed that was planted in me many years ago, and it’s now grown into something close to maturity.
Nevertheless, it is so true that
When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.
Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely. 1 Corinthians 13:11-12
Couple songs for you:)
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Beautiful, thanks dumvita.
One of these has the soloists singing some of Psalm 89.
That Psalm includes a very key message concerning the covenant and the God who made it with David. It further confounds the Christian Zionism fantasy.
First it spells out his promise to the king:
Once for all I have sworn by my holiness; I will not lie to David.
His line shall endure for ever, his throne as long as the sun before me.
I will not violate my covenant, or alter the word that went forth from my lips. (verses 34-36)
Then it states what appeared to have happened in a later generation:
You have renounced the covenant with your servant;
You have removed the scepter from his hand,
and cast his throne to the ground (verses 39 and 44)
Thus the cry of the heart and the questions:
How long, O Lord? Will you hide yourself forever?
Lord, where is your steadfast love of old,
which in your faithfulness you swore to David? (verses 46 and 49)
The answers to this conundrum are in the New Testament, and are found in Jesus Christ, the son of David.
For instance, the angel in Luke 1 tells Mary that
the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David. (verse 32)
And Peter on the Day of Pentecost said of David
Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sword with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of Christ. (Acts 2:30)
Later this is seen as the fulfillment of Amos 9:11 that promises:
On that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down.
Now the point is, this is not something that would get a receptive ear from those in Judaism, but something that Christian Zionists are in complete conflict with. They try and have their cake and eat it too, and that can’t be done.
In fact in the New Testament the promises and covenant to Abraham are in a similar way fulfilled in Jesus Christ, who makes them eternal just as he does regarding David.
As Paul says, For all the promises of God find their yes in him. (2 Corinthians 1:20)
fundamentalist christian may be too general. perhaps christian end-timer is more specific
I agree with FreddyV below, the best term is “Christian Zionists”.
I don’t think every “end-timer” sees Israel and Zionism as they do.
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Netanyahu spends more time in the US than in Israel. Did he even go home after his joint session appearance?
I doubt Brandis is rolling in his grave. He was first and foremost and despite his liberalism in domestic concerns, a committed nationalist zionist. Not even a religious Jew. His conflation of zionism with American patriotism shows the nature in this kind of person despite their intelligence, particulary because of their intelligence. One who will construct for himself and others of a dangerous myth because of his own personal feeling about his self identification. No, no hero as far I am concerned. The pedophile at Penn State did some good things for kids, but it wasn’t worth the damage he did. I think those like Brandeis who worked to equate zionism and Israel with America and brought it to where it is today pretty much cancelled out whatever else they did. Whatever good he did is gone, swept away by changing politics and courts as it always is, the damage, zionist influence in the US remains.
From his bio.
Brandeis became the most prominent American Zionist. , Brandeis, who was not raised to be religious, became involved in Zionism through a 1912 conversation with Jacob de Haas, editor of a Boston Jewish weekly and a follower of Theodore Herzl. When the Provisional Executive Committee for Zionist Affairs was established in New York, Brandeis accepted unanimous election to be its head. Brandeis emphasized the goal of self-determination and freedom for Jews through the development of a Jewish homeland in Palestine and the compatibility of Zionism and American patriotism.
Probably an even more apt term is Christian Zionists. Basically the belief is that in order for Jesus to return and ‘rapture’ his faithful up to heaven, there must be an Israel, and a temple. When he returns, it all goes very badly wrong for Israel and 2/3rds of them are wiped out. Those remaining turn to Christ and evangelise the world and bring in the new millennium leading to a new heaven and a new earth.
Perversely, these people claim to ‘love’ the Jews, but in fact are supporting a theology which demands their greatest destruction.
However, it does seem now that many of these ‘fundies’ are moving away from this theology and Dominionism is taking centre stage. Dominionism holds to taking control of all areas of life, such as education, law, entertainment etc. and making all things very nice and Christian whether the electorate likes it or not and Jesus will return that way.
Obviously Christian Zionism and Dominionism are at complete odds with one another, but Bachmann, Palin and Romney etc. haven’t figured this out yet as they are just fed this manure by their pastors and don’t think to question. If they actually spent a little bit of time on this, they’d definitely have a far more balanced view of the world.
link to en.wikipedia.org
link to en.wikipedia.org