‘Commentary’ suggests Ron Paul’s heresy on Israel support is anti-Semitic

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Ron Paul on CNN’s Situation Room yesterday

Wow. Wolf Blitzer had Ron Paul on for nearly 10 minutes yesterday and abstemiously juridically idiotically avoided the foreign policy issue/Israel/Iran. Meantime, Jonathan Tobin lays down the law at Commentary. The law of the lobby. Notice the emotional baseline at the end: Never again, the Holocaust. This is the neoconservative emotional baseline, and the ultraZionist baseline too, a sincere belief that we are threatened with extermination. I say it is a self-centered delusion, at this time in history, and indeed that Zionism is the greatest threat to the Jewish role in the human family. For as Tobin’s rant reveals, Zionism’s endurance requires a belief in a clash of civilizations with Islam. Tobin:

But Paul’s extremism goes farther than his opting out of the bipartisan pro-Israel consensus on aid. His view of America’s place in the world and of its Islamist adversaries — who also desire Israel’s destruction — is so skewed as to make his views indistinguishable from those voiced on the extreme left.

Paul’s isolationism is so hard-core that he sees America as a force for evil in the world and its adversaries, such as al-Qaeda, as being justified in their determination to fight us. Paul’s perspective is that of someone who has no quarrel with Islamists who are waging war against both the U.S. and Israel. Even in the GOP’s presidential debates, Paul has rationalized the Islamist regime in Iran and voiced opposition to any effort to stop their drive for nuclear weapons that pose an existential threat to Israel.

People like Ron Paul have taken the valuable libertarian creed of opposition to intrusive government and support for individual freedom and twisted it into a belief system that doesn’t view U.S. security abroad or the life of a besieged democratic Jewish state as something Americans should care about.  Far from respecting Israel’s sovereignty, Paul is willing to watch with complacence as its very existence is called into question without the U.S. feeling obligated to lift a finger. His “respect” for Israel is little different from the sentiments voiced by an earlier generation of isolationists — the “America First” group — whose admiration of Nazi Germany and indifference to the fate of the Jews restrained the country’s initial response to both Hitler and the Holocaust.

…I’m sure there are gatherings of Islamists and anti-Semites where he would be welcomed with open arms.

33 Responses

  1. lobewyper
    December 3, 2011, 10:12 am

    Why does Commentary even bother to post such crap as Tobin’s piece? It just makes them look like what they really are…

    • stevieb
      December 3, 2011, 2:20 pm

      …and long may that continue..

  2. AngelaKeaton
    December 3, 2011, 10:56 am

    Phil, the war between the neo-conservatives and the libertarians dates back to the 50s when the WASPified Irish-Catholic William Buckley tossed those awful Jews, Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard into the swamp.

    Ah…Commentary. I used to wish I could write like Midge Decter but one grows up and realizes that there are only so many variations on Cornell West waiting for a cab jokes one can snap.

  3. seafoid
    December 3, 2011, 11:02 am

    “Paul’s isolationism is so hard-core that he sees America as a force for evil in the world and its adversaries, such as al-Qaeda, as being justified in their determination to fight us. ”

    This year the US spent $100bn of borrowed money fighting the fcking Taliban.
    “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”

    Israel’s wars have cost the US over $3 trillion.

  4. pabelmont
    December 3, 2011, 11:02 am

    lobe: if you repeat a lie often enough and loud enough, a lot of dumbbells will believe it. There are a lot of dumbbells out there. Browbeat them! Kick them in the teeth,. Make them fearful, especially make them fearful. And lie, lie, lie, even when it’s unnecessary, lie. (Keep ‘em used to hearing and believing lies).

    • lobewyper
      December 3, 2011, 1:00 pm

      pabelmont,

      H.L. Mencken used to refer to the average American as “boobus americanus.”

  5. Dan Crowther
    December 3, 2011, 11:11 am

    Does Henry Kissinger belong to the “America First” group?

    link to loonwatch.com

    “The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern.” — Henry Kissinger

    Never ceases to amaze how the Lobbyists think that Americans should not only care about ” a besieged “democratic” jewish state, but should also fight and die on it’s behalf….

    • stevieb
      December 3, 2011, 2:22 pm

      Old Henry is a sly flox – he’s good at telling people what they want to hear when they want to hear it…

    • Charon
      December 3, 2011, 3:13 pm

      “The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern.” — Henry Kissinger

      Thought that was worthy of being quoted twice. Kissinger is Jewish, definitely a Neoconservative, and maybe a Zionist. I personally do not like Kissinger and think he is a war criminal. He’s been pretty influential to US foreign policy for decades, lots of friends in high places. Lots of ties into this whole mess. As grim as his quote may sound to some, Americans should not be expected to get involved in the business of that which is of no threat to our national security. They should openly condemn it for sure, something that to my understanding never really happened in WWII. I’m tired for the cliche about the US not getting involved in WWII until the end. That was because the might British Empire couldn’t get the job done so the PTB went to plan C and forced the US.

      I don’t trust Kissinger, but I’m sure he meant it. The only reason the US aided Israel in 1973 was because Israel was losing and threatened to nuke Egypt and Syria. Unless he was secretly in on that in favor of Israel. I doubt it.

      He also said this (which I agree with) regarding Iran:

      “Any direct talks between the U.S. and Iran on issues such as the nuclear dispute would be most likely to succeed if they first involved only diplomatic staff and progressed to the level of secretary of state before the heads of state meet.”

      Too bad Congress is making sure that never happens.

      • RoHa
        December 3, 2011, 11:59 pm

        ” I’m tired for the cliche about the US not getting involved in WWII until the end.”

        That cliche applies more to WW1. The US entered in 1917.

        Even if we take Japan’s attack on China in 1937 as the start of WW2, US entry in 1941 was before the half-way mark. If we take the German attack on Poland in 1939 as the start, the US entered at around the one-third mark.

        “That was because the might British Empire couldn’t get the job done”

        In 1917 the British Empire had pretty much done the job. The entry of US troops was a last straw for the Germans.

        In 1941 the British Empire was in a desperate situation. Italy had been reduced to a foonote, but Germany was still advancing and Japan was simply overrunning the Far East. Although the German advance was stopped by Soviet and British Empire troops in 1942, US supplies were essential, and US forces were needed for subsequent moves against the Germans.

        British Empire and Chinese forces would have had little success against the Japanese if the US had not mounted the Pacific campaigns.

        So the cliche applies more to WW1, whereas the “British Empire couldn’t get the job done” applies to WW2.

  6. Tristan
    December 3, 2011, 11:29 am

    First they exclude him. Then they have to explain themselves. Now the only thing of note about the RJC “Debate” is Ron Paul’s exclusion. Even the comments on Commentary are largely pro-Paul. Here’s one, before it gets scrubbed:

    What a load of misinformation…how is trade and friendship with all nations isolationism? How is being the ONLY candidate that honestly stands for Israel’s sovereignty anti Semitic? This is just more Zionist Neo conservative pandering for US blood and US welfare.

    Oh, and I can’t resist this treasure from an anti-Paul post:

    We don’t provide Israel with any ‘welfare’ money. We give them about three billion dollars a year for military spending (they receive no economic aid) and we receive in return fifty to sixty billion dollars worth of military aid and intelligence.

    Sixty billion in military aid and intelligence! It’s really a pretty good deal when you think about it. I mean, really, Israel is getting shafted. It’s a 57 billion dollar gain for the US!

  7. Justice Please
    December 3, 2011, 12:04 pm

    “‘Commentary’ suggests Ron Paul’s heresy on Israel support is anti-Semitic”

    I suggest Commentary’s defamation of Ron Paul is anti-American.

  8. American
    December 3, 2011, 12:04 pm

    I hope Paul’s campaign team is circulating this article to all his supporters.

    As for Tobin…one of these days all these calls like his and his fellow travelers for Jews to go war with America Firsters is going to bring about just that. How amazing is it that Americans and America simply looking after their own interest and whatever values they have is an anti semitic holocaust? The Zionist Israel Firsters slogan should be We Never Learn instead of Never Again.

    • Charon
      December 3, 2011, 3:47 pm

      Tobin shot himself in the foot by smearing “American Firsters”

      I’m an American citizen. America should come first. It doesn’t and that’s a problem. Foreign policy comes first over domestic policy and foreign policy is built around Israel. Israel made their bed and they have to lie in it. It is not our duty nor should it be in our interest to protect Israel. They created the mess they’re in and they choose not to fix it in favor of living in a dream land supported parasitically by a US host.

      Certainly Israelis wouldn’t argue about Israel coming first. It’s not selfish. Selfish is when you rely and even order another country to war for your own peace-of-mind and don’t even participate.

      If not a threat to the US, sanctions, boycotts, and attempting diplomatic approaches should be the extent of our involvement. Give encouragement to anybody fighting the good fight and even allowing temporary refuge in asylum. The UN should be calling the shots, they aren’t a den of lies as Bibi said. Capitol Hill and the Knesset are the dens of liars.

      If thousands of innocent people are really dying in Syria, that’s not an American issue. Unofficial (and likely) estimates have 1.5 million Iraqi civilians dead since 2003, compliments of our military. Americans and the world are feeling the economic effects. This is the price of intervention. Neocons are insulting Americans by supporting a NATO military campaign in Syria and most Americans. Could you imagine if the Syrian casualties were Jewish? Not only would they have intervened, Damascus would probably be nuked, and the US public would support our involvement. Especially if Golan Heights was invaded and the settlers were singled out. That would be spun as an attack on Israel and we’d still get involved even though Israel had the ability to destroy cities in retaliation. We’d never hear the end of it either, their deaths would be exploited and add another couple decades to the status quo.

  9. yourstruly
    December 3, 2011, 12:12 pm

    at the same time that jewish zionists cry “never again, the holocaust”, their zionist entity israel, through its brutal treatment of palestinians, is stoking the flames of antisemitism to such an extent that a second go at the unthinkable has become a distinct possibility. thus it is that these zionists by their reckless demand that jews support the zionist entity seem intent on bringing about that which, according to them, israel’s very existence is supposed to prevent. their stupidity? or their betrayal?

  10. Kathleen
    December 3, 2011, 1:11 pm

    Jonathon Tobin took the same deceptive and manipulative route that Bob Schieffer took during his interview with Rep Paul. Do not listen to his consistent words and then spin them like crazy.

  11. Taxi
    December 3, 2011, 1:47 pm

    LOL I predicted that they’re gonna start the antishmanti routine with Ron Paul after his blitzer interview – and this certainly doesn’t prove me the smartest, it just proves them zios so unbelievably predictable. Yeah robots much? Dull much? Dull robots much? Okeedokee ladies and gentlemen, this is what I said the day before Ron’s interview with blitzer:
    December 2, 2011 at 1:10 am
    “The zios want Ron to say stuff on the msm so they can twist it round two hours later when he’s left the studio and call him antisemitic and bury him thus with hitler.”

    The thing is, regardless of whether Ron Paul gets another opportunity to be interviewed on the msn or not, the zios are publicly offending more and more Americans with their vicious slurs of antisemitism and their overplaying of the holocaust card.

    I kinda like it that they’re offending and alienating Americans on American soil.

    • kalithea
      December 3, 2011, 6:08 pm

      What Zionists don’t realize is that labeling Ron Paul, who is an honest, well-liked politician an anti-Semite will backfire on them, because they’ll be seen as hating on an American who cares about his country and wants it to be free to determine a foreign policy that is beneficial for AMERICA first and foremost and who wants to free Americans from these costly wars and foreign entanglements that have been nothing but a financial burden and setback.

      Zionists should know that when they attack Ron Paul, they’re attacking all Americans who are fed up and want better for themselves and their country rather than being dictated to by some foreign country with a powerful Lobby that interferes with American democracy and that indirectly and negatively affects the prosperity of average Americans.

      • MRW
        December 5, 2011, 9:47 am

        Kalithea is dead right. I go to a bar here in the heartland that is filled to the dark ceiling with Republicans where I was asked by the bartenders not to talk my brand of politics with patrons I didn’t know, cause I was pissing people off with facts and figures they couldn’t counter.

        About 18 months ago, the bartenders, who were talking their brand of politics, would turn all El Greco with eyes heaven-ward about how we had to save Israel by bombing Iran. This was before Ron Paul became a candidate and spoke out on the issue. Every single bartender (about 12) is a Ron Paul supporter.

        One night when there were about three patrons in the place, one of them asked me what I thought about Ron Paul. I said he’s an honorable man, and gave him some facts about Ron Paul that he didn’t know, which blew this bartender away–again with the facts and figures–because he thought he knew everything about the man. I added that my objection was that Paul doesn’t understand how the monetary system works (few people do) since the dollar became a non-convertible currency in 1972, and he still thinks as if we’re still on the gold standard (which requires that the federal govt raise by taxes the money its going to spend; hence the 90% tax rates in the 50s), so therefore he does not understand the purpose of a federal deficit, but apart from that, I like him.

        Now I was in like flynn.

        Fast forward to this year and the primary race. Paul’s position on warring with Iran is fully understood by these guys and they agree with why, America first, dont kill the troops; I dont talk to them about it, per the edict, I just listen to them talking to others.

        There’s a charming elderly Jewish couple, old school, who were in one night when the subject of Ron Paul came up, and the hubby takes off in a wild rant about how Ron Paul is an antishmanti (thanks, Taxi) and on and on and on and Israel this and Israel that…I watched every nerve-ending in the bartenders’ necks go into paroxysms…and I could see them shut down.

        This was a 180 from 18 months ago.

    • MRW
      December 5, 2011, 9:14 am

      “the antishmanti routine”

      I’m going to brand this. :-)

  12. eGuard
    December 3, 2011, 3:36 pm

    Phil: Never again, the Holocaust. This is [...] the ultraZionist baseline.

    Quite probably, it is the bare Zionist baseline. Their standard hasbase line. You are not waiting for leftwing/PEP/peace/Liberal Zionists for their line, are you?

  13. Charon
    December 3, 2011, 4:33 pm

    Ben Stein calling Ron Paul antisemitic for saying the US occupies Iraq:

    link to youtube.com

    Ridiculous, right? And here is Ben Stein’s explanation:

    link to examiner.com

    “…in my long experience, those who talk about the U.S. ‘occupying’ Moslem lands soon go to criticism of the U.S. for helping Israel — a line long associated with Rep. Paul, as I understand, and again, maybe I am misinformed — and then to biting criticism of Israel and then to bitter comments about Jews generally.”

    Weak. Stein’s ‘long experience’ does not give him precognitive abilities or otherwise make him a mind reader. He called Paul antisemitic to deliberately smear him on live TV. Either that or saying ‘antisemtic’ is a knee-jerk response to hearing the word occupy. “What do you do to occupy your time, Ben?” “Antisemtic!”

    Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    FTA: “Anti-Semitism. The first issue is whether a person can advocate that the United States have a policy of minding its own business and staying out of foreign quarrels, as President George Washington advised in his farewell address, and not be an anti-Semite.”

    If you are American and believe that it is, you are insane. Tobin is insane. Antisemitism has lost all meaning, it’s used mainly to make people look bad. Ironically it’s a term created by an ‘antisemite’ named William Marr who went on to form the Anti-Semitic League in Germany. It was based on a bigoted and racist concept “Aryan vs. Semites” which discriminated Jews saying they are a Middle Eastern race. Also Ironic how Zionists have openly embraced this idea. Anime-loving “Otaku” get teased for obsessing over Japanese pop-culture. Some of them even move there to ‘fit in.’ This doesn’t make them Japanese. Even if they were to expel and oppress the indigenous population. It’s kinda the same thing when you think about it.

  14. seafoid
    December 3, 2011, 4:43 pm

    “Antisemitic” has all the word impact of “soft porn” in 2011

  15. kalithea
    December 3, 2011, 5:43 pm

    Notice how the sneaky Blitzer asks Paul to choose whose positions he would be more likely to support, Gingrich’s or Romney’s, should one of them become the nominee? This is a trap question designed to give Paul supporters or frustrated Americans thinking of lining up with Paul another option, in other words to pull support away from Paul with the latter’s own blessing, when we all know that both Gingrich and Romney have disastrous foreign policy agendas and balance each other out on their varying domestic policy liabilities. None in fact represents change unless we’re talking change for the worst, if that’s even possible! But conniving Blitzer had no problem using Ron Paul’s sense of fair play to ensnare him.

    At the same time, the reason Zionist Blitzer avoids confronting Paul on Zionist issues is because he knows Paul will end up handing him his ass; and Blitzer will come out looking like an Israel firster and shill for the Lobby. Paul has a reverse effect when the media tries to demolish him, and it’s obvious Blitzer knows this and treaded carefully. Paul’s so consistent and so genuine the mainstream has a terrible time trying to spin his policies.

    The anti-Semitic label is the bottom of the barrel and the kitchen sink with Zionists. They’re starting to see Paul as a growing threat because people are realizing that Ron Paul IS different from anything they’ve seen so far. He’s not AFRAID to challenge the set-in-concrete establishment that’s undermining democracy cause he’s got a sledgehammer made of consistency and persistence; and he doesn’t fear the Lobby. He can actually say “Screw you!” to the Lobby without even having to put it in those words, and it’s an eye-opener, people are taking notice of his integrity and courage. He has the will that no other politician has demonstrated and what’s threatening to the Lobby is that he’s gaining credibility and what they fear most, political clout with Americans.

    So Zionists are starting to unleash their arsenal of emotional blackmail and attacking Americans who want to put America first again and laying the guilt trip on them when for so long Americans have sacrificed so much for this puny, no-good Zionist “ally” that squandered every opportunity its been given with U.S. backing to share with the Palestinians instead of keeping them enslaved under Occupation, stealing their land and crushing their rights for decades. And instead of gaining respect with the world for returning plundered land to enable the creation of a Palestinian state, these ungrateful morons have generated animosity among Muslims towards Americans who went out on a limb for them, and now they want to bite the hand that fed them when, finally, Americans feel they’ve had it with their selfishness! That’s Zionist gratitude for you. America is ready to free itself from this ball and chain that’s dragging it down and Ron Paul is telling Israel, we tried everything to help you, but this is the end of the line; you’re on your own; it’s time you grew up and suffer the consequences of your reckless, selfish behavior and learn to get your act together.

    Ron Paul is the ONLY answer at this crucial, dangerous point; when Obama failed miserably to challenge the status quo and has no guts or political will to do it.

    More importantly, Ron Paul is the only hope we have for avoiding war with Iran and the disastrous consequences it will usher in.

    • annie
      December 3, 2011, 6:58 pm

      great comment kalithea

  16. DICKERSON3870
    December 3, 2011, 7:57 pm

    RE: “This is the neoconservative emotional baseline, and the
    ultraZionist baseline too, a sincere belief that we are threatened with extermination. I say it is a self-centered delusion, at this time in history, and indeed that Zionism is the greatest threat to the Jewish role in the human family.” ~ Weiss

    SEE – Sinning against Zionism: Traitor to Country, by William A. Cook , Dissident Voice, 4/21/11

    “Hell is where many false commitments must be unlearned.” — Ricardo J. Quinones, ‘Dante Alighieri’

    (excerpt) Richard Goldstone’s journey from Justice to Sinner represents the spiritual act of dying in the Zionist world. By recanting his own report he has attempted to break the bonds that cast him into the sufferings in Caina, Antenora, and Judecca where, in ‘Dante’s Inferno’, those treacherous to their own, are removed from the light and warmth of their kin, their country, and their masters and suffer eternal damnation in the remorseless dead center of the ice in the most bottomless circle of Hell.
    Fortunately, Goldstone like Dante can learn that he has, in his journey, aligned himself with many false gods and many false attachments ignoring on the way the elementary truths that bind humankind ineluctably in one race in a bond of human grace.
    The Zionist world needs no Hell since it heeds no conscience. It exists on one foundation, a solid block of ice that freezes the soul of all who bear allegiance to its creed of absolute obedience, an ancient form of tribal slavery bound by fear that shackles the soul, by isolation that instills despair, by humiliation that corrodes self, and by victimhood that bonds the tribe in self-perpetuating agony. It is in this sense Medieval, a remnant of the inquisitorial mind that harbored no dissent, gave no credence to personal freedom, and obligated all to one monolithic understanding of commitment to the powers that control…

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to dissidentvoice.org

  17. dumvitaestspesest
    December 3, 2011, 9:46 pm

    I think people are becoming immune to the word Anti-Semite, thrown any time when someone doesn’t agree or dare to criticize anything that is concerned with Israel or Zionism. The word is finished.
    It’s been overused so much , that it lost its power, and using it only pisses people off ,and have a sort of a bumerang effect.
    Now, it is being used mainly as a way to gag free, independent speech and thought .

  18. ToivoS
    December 4, 2011, 1:42 am

    I see desperation on the part of the Zionists. Ron Paul is not saying anything different from what he was saying 10 years back. Then he was simply ignored. What has changed is that they are realizing that he is gaining an audience. Now they realize that his arguments are gaining ground. Panic time for the neocons. They feel now is the time to pull out their big weapon — he is antisemitic!

    I mentioned this before: if the Zionist go on the offensive and try to smear Ron Paul supporters as antisemitic then what they will achieve is turning that movement of Ron Paul supporters into anti-Zionism. Do these fools really want to do that? Especially given the fact that Paul’s support is heavy in the 18 – 34 age group. In 25 years these people will have major influence in American politics. Also in 25 years many of those Americans that support Israel today will be dead. I do not believe that these supporters of Israel are taking the long-range perspective in mind.

  19. dahoit
    December 4, 2011, 10:54 am

    Please,nature, Yahweh,God or Allah;Save US with Dr.Ron Paul’s election as POTUS!
    Otherwise we are screwed.

    • CloakAndDagger
      December 4, 2011, 2:35 pm

      No one man can save us. But, he could make a serious dent in our foreign policy, and as commander in chief, he could bring the troops back.

      The only way to save us is to do a wholesale flush of congress and replace everyone of them with America-firsters.

    • MRW
      December 5, 2011, 9:59 am

      dahoit,

      “Strong people don’t need strong leaders.”

  20. piotr
    December 5, 2011, 12:21 am

    If I recall, Ron Paul has both homophobic and racist associations, and libertarian program is quite odious to liberal values. Liberal do not cherish social Darwinism, only the scientific variety.

    These are sad times that libertarians may offer the most intelligent foreign policy.