Netanyahu seeks Iran conflict, extremist reaction to knock out Obama

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Brilliant post by Andrew Sullivan off the report by AP that Israel has told the US that it would attack Iran without any warning to the US. A sinister read, but given Israel’s record during the “clash of civilizations” era, it’s hard to argue with. Extended excerpts:

So Israel would, without warning, put US troops and Western civilians at direct risk of terrorist assaults, would likely tip Pakistan into even more outright hostility to any cooperation with the West, and rally the Iranian opposition to its foul regime…. My own fear is that global recruitment for Jihad would boom as well – reversing all the gains of the last three years. The war would also galvanize Islamist parties in the new Arab democracies, giving Israel more ammunition in blocking any rapprochement between the US and the Muslim world. And following this essential blackmail, the Israeli government would doubtless rally much of the US Congress, the entire GOP, its media outlets (like Fox, and the Washington Post), and a key part of the Democratic fundraising machinery to side entirely with Israel against the US president. 

I don’t think you can understand the Republican strategy for this election without factoring in a key GOP player, Benjamin Netanyahu… A global war which polarizes America and the world is exactly what Netanyahu wants. And it is exactly what the GOP needs to cut through Obama’s foreign policy advantage in this election. Because it is only through war, crisis and polarization that extremists can mobilize the emotions that keep them in power. They need war to win.

Here’s a prediction. Netanyahu, in league and concert with Romney, Santorum and Gingrich, will make his move to get rid of Obama soon. And he will be more lethal to this president than any of his domestic foes.

Sullivan makes a similar point as Max Blumenthal in this must see interview on Real News:

“Netanyahu is more immersed in the American political process, in the culture wars, and in the Republican primary than any foreign leader in recent modern history, and he’s doing so because he wants regime change in two countries, the first country is Iran, the second country is the United States.

He wants to replace Barack Obama with a Republican. He tried the same thing when he was Prime Minister in the 1990′s against President Bill Clinton. He leaned on Gingrich, he leaned on people who were seeking to impeach President Clinton using Israel as a partisan wedge issue the same way the Christian Right uses abortion and gay marriage.

And this campaign is the fulfillment of Netanyahu’s strategy to use Israel and now Iran as a political tool to unseat Barack Obama. And Newt Gingrich is just one candidate who is assisting this effort. Mitt Romney is also happy to assist this effort and he has surrounded himself with neoconservatives who have a seamless connection to Israel and to the Israeli military intelligence establishment and to Netanyahu’s advisors…….in the words of former AIPAC researcher Keith Weissman, they are advancing the ‘War of the Jews’, that’s his words.”

62 Responses

  1. BillM
    February 29, 2012, 6:13 pm

    Yup, that’s about the size of it.

    I mentioned in a comment in a previous story that Obama really hopes to get a great photo op out of Netanyahu’s visit. Netanyahu knows this and is upping his demands on Obama. Obama might well bend over enough to actually get his photo op, but it will hardly change the underlying reality that Sullivan points out, which is that Netanyahu is attempting to destroy Obama and kick the election to the Republicans.

  2. OlegR
    February 29, 2012, 6:24 pm

    /Here’s a prediction. Netanyahu, in league and concert with Romney, Santorum and Gingrich, will make his move to get rid of Obama soon. And he will be more lethal to this president than any of his domestic foes./

    Wow haven’t seen this much paranoia in a long time.

    • Chaos4700
      February 29, 2012, 7:24 pm

      Not since you manned a sniper post on the apartheid wall, I expect. Or do they not give you mirrors up there?

    • Annie Robbins
      February 29, 2012, 7:41 pm

      Wow haven’t seen this much paranoia in a long time.

      you ain’t see nuthin yet. wait til the netanyah/ gop&friends start producing those fear mongering tv commercials about nuclear catastrophes if obama gets reelected. funded by yer friends.

      • OlegR
        February 29, 2012, 7:44 pm

        Well that’s your political system.
        Deal with it.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 29, 2012, 11:35 pm

        oh, trust me.. i already am. no more tv and then some.

    • Citizen
      March 2, 2012, 4:49 pm

      OlegR, we see you have not been listening to Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich as they each campaign for POTUS. So, what country do you live in? It cannot be America.

  3. anonymouscomments
    February 29, 2012, 6:25 pm

    i hope he’s wrong, cause this has been my worst fear for over a year. but let’s be honest, much of corporate media has a zionist tilt, and perhaps they are confident they can ensure good perception management? …seems too risky though.

    talk about an un-holy alliance… republican atheists who pretend to be christians to get elected, with israeli zionists who are also atheists but are all about their “jewishness”. mad men run the world, and even the actors they allow on the stage are vile transparent ethnocentric power hungry liars. (no jab at atheists intended; i am one, and would love a self-proclaimed agnostic/atheist to be POTUS)

    phil, don’t tell me this is “hard to argue with” even though i agree. i know it’s possible….. but if it is at all likely, i should be tracking down a good job in south america rather than wasting my time at occupy AIPAC. oh screw it, i’ll go down with this stinking american ship.
    link to occupyaipac.org

  4. Les
    February 29, 2012, 6:29 pm

    Dragging the US into Israel’s war against Iran will do wonders for the US relations with Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, etc. Is anyone in our government paying any attention?

    • jimmy
      February 29, 2012, 10:38 pm

      Is anyone in our government paying any attention?

      no absolutely not..at least not to anyone with any common sense…

      sad ain’t it

    • weindeb
      March 1, 2012, 4:13 pm

      Hell yes they are, but what can they do about it? The problem is that the swaying cobra won’t stop its swaying, and how and when it will strike is not definitively known. Besides, it would take political courage even unto political suicide to respond preemptively. I wonder if Bibi will again receive dozens of standing ovations should he address Congress as one of America’s most remarkable leaders.

      • Citizen
        March 2, 2012, 4:55 pm

        There’s a reason why AIPAC has invited Mitt, Newt, & Sanatorum to the pending AIPAC convention–but not Ron Paul. Bibi would even take Obama over Ron Paul. I think Paul’s foreign policy trumps anything else anyone does not like about his POV. But that’s just me. One of my sisters won’t vote for Paul, even though she agrees with his foreign policy–because she sees him as against exclusive female right of abortion.

  5. pabelmont
    February 29, 2012, 7:00 pm

    Saying “Yassah Boss” will not be enough for Obama on March 5, because Bibi can always ask for more, and there are months before the election. There must be a limit (Yesh Gvul) and the time is now. Obama cannot bend over far enough and that posture only invites worse.

  6. petersz
    February 29, 2012, 7:07 pm

    There won’t be any war. Israel’s planes can barely reach Iran and even that is with having to re-fuel in mid air:- a very tricky manoeuvre. Even then they have to violate airspace and risk being shot down passing through several countries. It’s all bluff. I don’t believe Netenyahu who surprisingly is one Israeli leader who’s never gone to war has got the guts to do it. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. If there is one person who does not want war more than anyone else its Obama as it would ruin his re-election chances.

    • pabelmont
      February 29, 2012, 7:52 pm

      petersz: News is that Obama’s offered Israel USE of American airports in M/E to do the attack IF he waits. Is it true? Sounds frightening and could be true. (Bending over backwards). So — if true — then Israel CANreach Iran (and get back). Or seems so.

      If Obama’s EVER gonna draw a line in the sand (a/k/a “red line” for Israel) he’s gotta do it now. But I already said that.

    • Les
      February 29, 2012, 8:32 pm

      Iraq does not control its own air space. Only the US has the ability, let alone the willingness, to keep Israel from using it.

    • ToivoS
      February 29, 2012, 9:02 pm

      petersz, last month or so I agreed with what you say here. But that was based on the model that the various players were acting rationally. I hope you are correct. What scares the heck out of me is the possibility that Israel has gone crazy. Moshi Dayan warned the West many years back that we should not expect Israel to be rational — he said it to their advantage for the rest of the world to not expect a rational response from Israel. Be afraid world, be very afraid when it is Israel that you a dealing with. Von Crevald has also warned the world that the Sampson option is one very real possibility when it comes to dealing with Israel.

      • seafoid
        March 1, 2012, 8:45 am

        The Samson option and the Masada cult should have been dumped years ago. If Israel deliberately fires nuclear bombs to secure regional hegemony for a few years what is the point of Israel?

        Fukushima turned much of the world against nuclear power. Nuclear bombs would turn the whole world against Israel.

    • piotr
      February 29, 2012, 10:12 pm

      It is not that he has no guts, but he only pretends to be insane.

      Government of Israel is probing in all direction and pouncing where it can. Villages in occupied territories have fallen (at least some number, and they are dispatched one at the time), and one radio station. Two laws against the fifth column — libel reform and ban on unpatriotic boycotts.

      Treasonous NGOs (human rights = the latest version of anti-Semitism) and Cast Lead mark II were shelved due to unfavorable diplomatic circumstances. Both were nearly deployed.

      Iran adventure has both diplomatic and military circumstances which are unfavorable, so Weapons of Mass Blovation are used instead of Air Force and Special Forces. But it just means — back onto villages!

      • piotr
        February 29, 2012, 11:00 pm

        Wow! New front!

        Israeli Troops Raid Two Palestinian TV Stations in the West Bank
        By ETHAN BRONNER
        Published: February 29, 2012
        JERUSALEM — Israeli troops raided two Palestinian television stations in Ramallah in the occupied West Bank early on Wednesday, confiscating transmitters, computer hard drives and documents and eliciting angry condemnations from the Palestinian Authority.

        Officials at the two stations, Al Watan and Al-Quds Educational Television, said that officials from Israel’s Communications Ministry, accompanied by soldiers, spent several hours removing the equipment and documents.

        ————

        Perhaps this is a mere practice, and the next attack will be to remove equipment and documents at Tehran TV stations. Or dreaded Norwegian TV?

      • seafoid
        March 1, 2012, 8:24 am

        Or to remove the population

      • Denis
        March 2, 2012, 3:17 pm

        Herein lies the real rationale for all the saber rattling: to take the world’s eyes away from the Israeli rape of Palestine.

        Bibi will keep this fear mongering up for a few months while the IDF grabs more land on the WB and takes more shots at Gaza. Just watch this unfold.

        Remember how Reagan invaded Granada just as the arms deal was blowing up in his face? Same sort of thing — divert the public’s attention away from where the stink really is. It’s a shell game.

        Obama is either being played as a sucker by Bibi in this shell game, or he is a part of it. But maybe Obama is smarter than Bibi and sees Bibi’s game for what it is. Hopefully, he has a surprise for Bibi somewhere down the road.

        If Obama were to ink a treaty w/ Iran promising them a nuke umbrella and protection from Israel in exchange for Iran opening ALL of its nuke sites to IAEA, that would be an “October surprise” that would (1) make good on his promise to stop an Iranian nuke, (2) guarantee him reelection, and, (3) finally justify his Nobel Peace Prize. It would leave Bibi stinking in his own stew.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 2, 2012, 3:32 pm

        Herein lies the real rationale for all the saber rattling: to take the world’s eyes away from the Israeli rape of Palestine.

        Bibi will keep this fear mongering up for a few months while the IDF grabs more land on the WB and takes more shots at Gaza.

        couldn’t agree more. it’s so simple people can’t believe it but there it is in a nutshell.

    • teta mother me
      February 29, 2012, 10:49 pm

      I disagree petersz. I think Netanyahu needs war in the same way as Teddy Roosevelt needed war against Spain — to prove his manhood to himself.
      Teddy’s father paid a substitute to fight in the Civil war in his stead, an act that caused him to be wracked with guilt and devote an inordinate amount of his time and effort to off-battlefield work in the ‘war effort.’ His guilt was NOT assuaged as he saw relatives and friends killed or grievously wounded.
      Teddy grew up in this environment — of seeing what to young Teddy was the glamorous pageant of going off to war, and also of feeling his father’s neurosis. Teddy’s favorite activity was playing with toy soldiers and dressing up in military attire.

      I believe Bibi has to compensate for the fact that his brother displayed courage (or foolishness) unto death and is mythologized in his father’s eyes and in the eyes of the Israeli people. Judging from comments on JPost and YNet articles about the annual celebrations of ‘Entebbe day” in Israel, many Israelis view Bibi as a slacker while Yoni is the mythic hero.

      • seafoid
        March 1, 2012, 8:32 am

        Teddy loved war until his own son was killed.

        link to nybooks.com

        “In his own place, Roosevelt proudly sent two of his sons off to fight, only to be devastated when his youngest boy, Quentin, was killed flying a combat mission over France.
        ….
        But his ferocity of spirit could not make up for his accumulated political mistakes, and he was left to public and private exertions that succeeded chiefly in exhausting him. Quentin’s death was the last crushing blow: the Rough Rider who had loudly romanticized war as uplifting and even ennobling sobbed over his poor “Quentyquee.” “What made this loss so devastating to him,” Morris observes, “was the truth it conveyed: that death in battle was no more glamorous than death in an abbatoir.””

        BTW there won’t be any Netanyahus dying in Iran .That is the job of Americans.

      • weindeb
        March 1, 2012, 4:18 pm

        Interesting thoughts, but how true we’ll never know. Still, logical as all hell. Teddy absolutely adored war – bully stuff and all that, best of all ways to prove your testicular superiority. Until, of course, his beloved Quentin, his youngest, who, because of poor eyesight should never have been an aviator in the first place, was shot down and killed.

    • Erasmus
      March 1, 2012, 6:20 pm

      Agreed: There won’t be any war . The Israeli Iran war mongering is all bluff, bluff only, at least for the time being and as long as the POTUS permits that dangerous “game” to continue. –
      IMHO, it would indeed be highest time and very desirable that he will leave no doubt who is the cook and who the waiter. Come 5th March we will see……perhaps.
      Neither the American people have any interest in yet another war – and one should assume nor the Israelis.
      What Netanyahu is primarily interested in is his OWN RE-ELECTION, and the Iran issue is a perfect means to divert from domestic political troubles he has at his hands at home: i.a. with settlers (e.g. Migron outpost removal) and also the religious crowd wrt their forthcoming end of their no-army-service privileges; economic troubles and a broad social unrest among a squeezed Israeli electorate, which may spoil his re-election.
      Of course, he has a keen interest to unseat Obama and spoil his re-election bid. After all NTY is not keen to deal with Obama during a second term of office, and rightly fears that during 2013-2016 quite a few open accounts will be settled. That is why he interferes so unabashedly in the US-presidential election campaign to see Obama’s bid fail.
      Similar scenario with Ehud Barak, the other chief war – mongerer. The Gush Shalom ad of 24.Febr. puts it in a nutshell:
      At the helm of the Israeli army
      Stands a minister
      With no political base,
      Few future prospects
      And little to lose.

      Free to play with fire
      And plan
      Dangerous adventures

      Beware of
      Ehud Barak

      It is all bluff. There won’t be any war.

    • Citizen
      March 2, 2012, 5:11 pm

      petersz, Obama wants another term; that’s his 1st priority. If he thinks war on Iran if Israel attacks Iran, is how 2 cement a 2nd term in face of GOP telling us he’s weak, an apologist 4 US foreign policy, he will green light Bibi’s obsession (use 98% goy USA 2 do Israel’s dirty work, which Israel does not have the power to do alone). The American masses ALWAYS support their current POTUS once war is on. (Something many neocons and PEPS irrationally think does not apply also to Iran).

  7. Dan Crowther
    February 29, 2012, 7:13 pm

    Couple of things:

    there are americans on deck in israel right now, and satellites and presumably drones over head – so the US would definitely be aware of the israeli’s fueling jets etc.
    that is if the israeli’s are talking about a conventional military attack against Iran — I don’t think that they are. If Israel strikes first, it will be with non-conventional weapons. they haven’t the military capacity for any kind of prolonged air attack or conventional engagement.

    these sick F’s used depleted uranium and white phosphorous on helpless civilians within a few miles of israeli civilian populations – what do you think they are planning to do against a “existential threat”?

    • anonymouscomments
      February 29, 2012, 7:44 pm

      if they do though…. they will be past the point of no return. cast lead was bad enough. the world is fed up. even though we don’t expect israel and zionism to suddenly retreat to a viable 2SS they have the *option* at the moment. but if they get their war on iran, all bets are off, and it seems like they have a death wish.

      granted, i don’t want to see this bloody ending, because they also have nukes, and ridiculous sway in the US.

      but maybe an exodus of sane israelis and an economic collapse from within? maybe israel can fall like the USSR, if enough israelis with russian, polish, and US passports leave? and more just jump ship on a visa? enough conventional missiles from gaza, s lebanon, and iran might be able to usher in a collapse…

      after an iran attack, i sincerely contend israel has *fully* lost its right to exist, and proved itself entirely unable to rehabilitate itself (was it ever “habilitated”?). in that case, let’s just hope the ending is as quick and as painless as possible, for all parties involved.

    • Dan Crowther
      February 29, 2012, 8:18 pm

      I should have added, I dont think they have the stones for it. i do think that an israeli attack would mean some form of non convetional weapon, i am not so sure they would do it

    • Les
      February 29, 2012, 8:35 pm

      Israel doesn’t need lessons from the US about how to use white phosphorous. Just ask the Gazans about those who were melted to death.

    • seafoid
      March 1, 2012, 3:45 am

      It’s all hopelessly optimistic Dan. Romney is walking wounded politically. Santorum has no chance. The Zionists don’t understand what has changed over the last 2 years. Arab revolutions and Occupy are 2 massive developments. The ongoing financial crisis is hurting ordinary people and things are potentially very volatile.
      This is shaping up to be Israel betting the house on a 25% chance.

      • Chaos4700
        March 1, 2012, 8:49 am

        No offense, seafoid, but you have no idea how bat-shit crazy US politics are. The Democratic Party is going into withdrawal at the mere suggestion that Zionist campaign funding is drifting to the right. And so they’re all leaping to the right as well.

        There is no left in the US that has any sort of political influence anymore. Because more of us are in the 99% than in the 1%, we don’t matter to American politics.

        Romney or Santorum could lose to Obama and we’d still end up with Romney or Santorum policies, just like we ended up with McCain policies even though Obama beat him. The Democratic Party is a party of quislings, kiss-ups and cowards. The Republican Party knows how to play the corrupt game really well, and the only way for Democrats to catch up is to cave to Republican demands.

        There is no effective difference between the two parties any more.

      • seafoid
        March 1, 2012, 11:49 am

        Even with all of that Iran is a risk that can’t be controlled. If they go to depose the government for the sake of Israeli, Saudi Arabia could be in trouble. The US economy is very fragile and it can’t afford oil at $200 a barrel. Even 1% er psychopaths like their economic growth.

        Even with neofascism there are certain limits that must be respected.

        Economics did for the Nazis in the end, remember.

        Israel is taking a massive gamble. It reminds me of the ghost dancers of the Sioux who thought they were invincible . Or the Bankers at Lehmans who were sure they’d be bailed out.

        The other thing is that the US can stay stupid longer than Israel can stay solvent.

      • Citizen
        March 2, 2012, 5:24 pm

        More like the US will stay stupid longer than Israel, and become even more insolvent keeping Israel solvent. Nothing will stop this war on Iran Bibi wants, not even gas at the American pump at $10.00. Too many Americans, with access to the alternate view from what the MSM feeds us, will not use it to get a grasp on what’s happening and why–they will continue to use the internet mainly for fun, gossip, entertainment of the plebian sort. Only a military draft would force Dick and Jane to think about foreign policy seriously–no different that during the Vietnam War Era. Anybody who thinks something other than the military draft evoked the Anti-War movement in the later 1960s is seriously deluded. And the Boomer Generation passed on this utterly selfish world view to their offspring. We will war forever so long as the socio-economically deprived dopes volunteer–we’ve been doing it for years now.

  8. dimadok
    February 29, 2012, 7:58 pm

    I think somebody had too much coffee and had a sudden urge to write- anything, just write, no matter what are the facts and is there any logic. Wasn’t the president Obama who ordered more drone strikes than all of presidents before him? Wasn’t him who surged the number of troops in Asia and Afganistan? As far as I am concern he is the perfect successor to GW and the rest. And also it is always nice to know how much power Israel has in US, it warms my heart really. All these simpletones voting and registering – it doesn’t matter, since Israel and AIPAC already decided for them. Feel the power, feel it! And now let us all relax, take a deep breath and start thinking for a moment.

    • Chaos4700
      March 1, 2012, 8:46 am

      You do have a point that Obama is the closest we’ve ever come to having an Israeli as President of the United States, considering his reliance on state terrorism.

  9. Bumblebye
    February 29, 2012, 8:38 pm

    Juan Cole has the comparisons of the Israeli and Iranian military up today:
    link to juancole.com
    Iran’s military budget is a measly 9bn.
    Israel’s is said to be 16bn – but does this include US aid, or loan guarantees?

  10. rensanceman
    February 29, 2012, 9:47 pm

    Peters: in your formulae with many variables, you are assigning zero probability to an air attack because of the distance? A hurdle easily overcome by re-fueling as they did against Iraq. Being shot down! Highly doubtful. Bibi’s fortitude? His brother was the only Israeli casuality at Entebbe and his father is a Zionist pioneer. I would assign a pretty large value to that variable. I might add the matter of international opprobrium which Israel dismisses because Iran is their “existential threat” and desperate nations committ desparate acts which justifies it. Besides, he actually wants the U.S. to go to war for them as happened in Iraq. Obama is their only hurdle to overcome, as Congress already has made it easier by recent bills introduced recently.

    • seafoid
      March 1, 2012, 8:53 am

      Israel has 2 built for purpose mid air refuellers and a couple of converted Boeings. Any mission to dump bombs on Iran will hinge on these and they are the weakest link in the chain.

      Israel is in a very bad place if the leadership needs a risk like Iran to work out.

    • petersz
      March 1, 2012, 11:17 am

      You don’t understand there is no way Israel is allowed to go to a major war without Washington’s permission. Every single major war going back to 1967 Israel had to get approval from Washington. Take the 1982 invasion of Lebanon or the recent Gaza war Israel asked and got Washington’s permission. Obama will not give permission for Israel to attack Iran and that’s the end of it. Bibi may huff and puff and may try to persuade his friends in Washington to put pressure on Obama like he is doing, but Obama won’t agree especially during election year. If Iran was such a threat and Ahmadinejad the new Hitler like Bibi has been saying for the last 5 years, why hasn’t Israel already attacked Iran? Simple because Washington will not give permission!

      • Duscany
        March 1, 2012, 10:35 pm

        “why hasn’t Israel already attacked Iran? Simple because Washington will not give permission!”

        My impression is that Israel never asks–and doesn’t need–permission to bomb anyone.

        But even if it does need US permission, it will have it soon enough. Israel’s threats to bomb Iran have driven the price of 89 octane gas to over $4.50/gallon here in Los Angeles. If it goes to five or six dollars a gallon–a not unlikely scenario–Obama will lose the election to Romey, Santorum or Gingrich, all of whom can’t wait to bomb Iran.

  11. upsidedownism
    February 29, 2012, 11:33 pm

    Israeli and the US are already at war with Iran and have been so for some time; If the US was subjects to the drone monitoring, assassinations, explosions that Iran is subject to, and if the Iran had its fleet patrolling American coasts, with dozens of military bases in proximity to to its borders as Iran does, then the US would feel its at war.

    BIBI wins either way. By linking Hamas/Abbas/Palestinian resistance with Iran, he can pretend the ethnic cleansing of Palestine is necessary to stop an ‘existential’ threat to israel.

  12. justsayin
    March 1, 2012, 12:00 am

    i always look upon the beautiful individuals ….such as Moshe dyans wife, whom stated it very simply. “The zionist experiment was a failure”, enough is enough, all real Jews will stand up to this tyrannical cult that hijacked Judism

  13. kalithea
    March 1, 2012, 12:49 am

    I’ve been trying to make people see for months now that this is what Netanyahu would pull. The only way to derail Netanyahu’s plan is for Ron Paul to become the Republican nominee. That way Netanyahu would be forced to live with the prospect of an Obama 2nd term. I’ve been stating this as well for quite some time. But no one cared!

    Seems everyone wants WAR! Because some of you put your petty grievances with Ron Paul FIRST.

    If and when Israel strikes Iran, your petty criticism of Ron Paul will bite back hard, because that kind of war will obliterate whatever minute progress has been made on the Palestinian issue, as this issue will be TOTALLY IGNORED and the WAR will have devastating economic consequences on the U.S. and EU. So social programs may end up affected in the long run anyway.

    Why do I bother?

    • Justice Please
      March 1, 2012, 6:50 am

      kathilea,

      “If and when Israel strikes Iran, your petty criticism of Ron Paul will bite back hard”

      Damn right. It’s time to get our priorities straight. If you prefer having more federal money thrown at what the federal government calls “health” and “education”, to having peace, something is wrong with you.

      • Justice Please
        March 1, 2012, 7:12 am

        Sorry for misspelling your name. When I realized it, I couldn’t edit anymore.

      • Chaos4700
        March 1, 2012, 8:43 am

        If you haven’t noticed, one of the first things Obama did early on was put Social Security on the chopping block to try to initiate negotiations over the budget with Republicans.

        EVERYBODY wants to cut those programs in the US government. All things being equal, I say vote for the anti-war, anti-torture, anti-Big Brother President.

    • quercus
      March 1, 2012, 7:32 am

      Could not agree more. Ron Paul is the only anti-war candidate, the only candidate speaking out against the Patriot Act, the War on Drugs, torture, and yet, we hear his stand on abortion mentioned with horror. As if there is any moral equivalency between the right to abortion and the killing by the United States of human beings in other countries. THERE IS NO MORAL EQUIVALENCY BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS.

  14. Justice Please
    March 1, 2012, 6:45 am

    “Netanyahu, in league and concert with Romney, Santorum and Gingrich, will make his move to get rid of Obama soon.”

    Which means he will order the Mossad or one of the various infiltrited “Islamist” terror groups to stage a false-flag attack against Israeli/US/Western targets, and blame it on Iran.

    By the way, if Sullivan is so opposed to a) war on Iran in general and b) Netanyahu using some GOP players to advance the interests of his (Netanyahu’s) own country, why doesn’t Sullivan mention the fact that one Republican contender, Ron Paul, wouldn’t allow both of this to happen?

    It doesn’t matter if you think Ron Paul is “good” or “electable”, but it’s a matter of journalistic integrity to mention the facts.

  15. sajepress
    March 1, 2012, 7:59 am

    Israel-U.S. have overwhelming weapons and logistics superiority. I see a few inevitables here if Israel-U.S. do attack Iran.
    1-The damage to Iran will be massive but it will rebuild. And, justifiably, it will have more hatred for the west.
    2-The biggest loser will be the U.S.
    3-Israel will cease to exist within 5 years after this horrible war. The good Jews will suffer for the transgressing Zionists.
    5- No American embassy will be left standing in the muslim world. That is Israel’s goal.
    Hint: Learn from Afghanistan.
    The time to stop Israel is now.

    • Chaos4700
      March 1, 2012, 8:37 am

      It’s too late to stop Israel, they already dictate terms to the White House and Congress. Quite frankly, the US is doomed and nothing Americans do or say or vote is going to change what the White House or Congress does — they don’t answer to us anymore.

      • seanmcbride
        March 1, 2012, 7:18 pm

        A determined and well-organized minority can easily dominate and control a lackadaisical and disorganized majority. Like a knife through warm butter.

      • Duscany
        March 1, 2012, 10:39 pm

        “the US is doomed and nothing Americans do or say or vote is going to change what the White House or Congress does — they don’t answer to us anymore.”

        Ain’t that the truth!

  16. seafoid
    March 1, 2012, 9:44 am

    There is something almost mythological about Bibi’s desire to ignite a massive regional conflagration in order to finish off the Palestinians.

    • Duscany
      March 1, 2012, 10:44 pm

      “the US is doomed and nothing Americans do or say or vote is going to change what the White House or Congress does — they don’t answer to us anymore.”

      And that tragic thing is he won’t just finish of the Palestinians–this war will put America in a depression for the next 20 years. Retired people with fixed incomes will have to move into their children’s basement, even as their children struggle to pay the mortgage and maintain a middle-class lifestyle. Netanyahu isn’t just waging war on Iran. He’s waging war on America too–and the US congress can’t wait for the chance to help him.

      • Chaos4700
        March 2, 2012, 12:21 am

        During that depression a LOT of US elderly and children are going to die. Just die, right here on American soil for no better reason than Netanyahu wants us to go to war with Iran for him. It’s going to make the Dust Bowl and the Trail of Tears combined, look small by comparison.

        The very, very thin silver lining is that once that happens, once Americans lose what they took for granted that we had… we will never let another nation do that to us ever again.

  17. crone
    March 2, 2012, 6:23 pm

    Justin Romero at antiwar dot com has some interesting comments about all of this… in two articles. The first written on Wednesday

    The ‘Trust Gap’
    The US-Israeli divide: it’s a chasm

    link to original.antiwar.com

    and the second, written today

    Netanyahu’s War
    He wants us to fight it

    link to original.antiwar.com

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