Israel strikes Gaza, killing 11, injuring 16

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Photo from attack at Omar Ghraieb’s site

What mainstream media wouldn’t tell you or give you details about:

Gaza, March 10, Gaza witnessed a sleepless night after a continuous series of air-raids performed by Israel’s different warplanes (Apache, Drones, and F16s). It started on March 9, 5:00 pm, when Israeli warplanes targeted a blue car in a populated area. The blue Opel became a little box of steel, completely burned and blown into little shrapnel. It happened in Tal Al Hawa, Western Gaza, and caused the death of Zuheir Qaisy, Secretary-General of the Popular Resistance Committees and Mahmoud Hanini, freed prisoner in Shalit swap deal, originally from Nablus. A third passer-by was critically injured.

(To see pictures from this post, click here.)

Later that night, 8:30 pm, March 9, medics announced the death of Khaled Harara, 22, and Obaid Al Gharabli, 23, both belong to Saraya Al Quds, armed wing of Islamic Jihad after being targeted by Israeli warplanes. Medics announced the discovery of a third body in the same place, Hazem Qureqe’.

Israeli warplanes continued bombarding Gaza heavily till 2:30 am, March 10. No place in Gaza was safe, Israeli warplanes raided Eastern, Western, Northern and Southern Gaza, civilian houses, highly populated areas and highly trafficked crossroads.

Another 6 Gazans were killed by Israeli warplanes in different areas across Gaza:
Shady Sieqali, Fayeq Sa’d, Mo’tasem Hajjaj, Ahmed Hajjaj, Mohamed Al Mughari and Mahmoud Nejem. Most martyrs were members of Saraya Al Quds, Islamic Jihad. Local resistance in Gaza retaliated and showered nearby Israeli settlements with homemade rockets.

Some of the areas that were targeted by Israeli warplanes: Beit Lahyah, Shuja’yah, Sudaneyah, Maqousi Towers, Palestinian Legislative Council, Rimal Area, Tal Al Hawa, Yarmouk Street, Rafah, Khan Younis and other different areas.

Israel and armed Palestinian factions in Gaza, all denied the news about a cease fire so escalation is in the air.

Stay tuned….

Ghraieb’s piece first appeared at Gaza: In the eyes of the beholder

64 Responses

  1. Denis
    March 10, 2012, 10:47 am

    From reading Harretz on this exchange you would hardly know it’s the same event.

    This story: Local resistance in Gaza retaliated and showered nearby Israeli settlements with homemade rockets.

    Harretz: Since Friday, a total of nearly 100 rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza.

    Harretz scrambles the timeline but makes it sound like the Gaza rockets precipitated the first Israeli attack.

    This article clearly states the exchange began with the Israeli attack on the Opel and that the rocket attack was in retaliation for the Israeli bombing that went on from 5 pm Fri to 2:30am Sat. So this implies, without stating, that the rockets didn’t fly until after 2:30am Sat.

    But there’s one thing everybody can agree on, by the time this is over, the Israeli’s will have inflicted the most damage by a factor of 10 to 100 and will spin it so much we’ll all be dizzy.

    • Bumblebye
      March 10, 2012, 11:37 am

      The new “Times of Israel” has the timeline the right way round, but the death toll is up to 15 “terrorists”.
      Can you count how many times they use the word “terrorist” in the article??
      link to timesofisrael.com
      Into double figures.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 10, 2012, 12:17 pm

      to all those who lost their lives, rest in peace and may all families who lost loved ones heal.

      denis, i really don’t know what readers might have thought had you not provided us with israel’s narrative in the first comment. how helpful.

    • Mayhem
      March 11, 2012, 6:17 am

      Is it relevant that for many months there have been persistent rockets attacks launched from Gaza against Israel?

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2012, 6:28 am

        yes, why shouldn’t they respond to israel’s violent provocations. that is human nature.

      • OlegR
        March 11, 2012, 8:13 am

        Then you shouldn’t feel so upset when we retaliate back
        it also human nature.
        Oh yes i forgot you are cheering for their side (Islamic Jihad in this case
        Hamas so far preferred to sit this round out)

        And please don’t pull the “But you started it first” argument
        because it will not lead us anywhere.

      • Mayhem
        March 11, 2012, 5:54 pm

        @Annie: what are the provocations to which refer? The fact that Israel exists? Refer to link to en.m.wikipedia.org for the attacks that have taken place just this year.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2012, 7:21 pm

        And please don’t pull the “But you started it first” argument
        because it will not lead us anywhere.

        lol, because you’ve reserved it for israel’s use 24/7. got it.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2012, 7:23 pm

        mayhem, there are so many where would you like me to start? how about bombing gaza during the last week of ramadan based on nothing but allegations.

      • OlegR
        March 11, 2012, 7:24 pm

        Well yes actually,
        each side uses it as part of it’s propaganda
        i am not really interested in that.

      • Shingo
        March 11, 2012, 11:16 pm

        Of course you’re not interested Oleg, because you run the risk of the truth getting out.

        link to desertpeace.wordpress.com

      • Shingo
        March 11, 2012, 11:39 pm

        Then you shouldn’t feel so upset when we retaliate back
        it also human nature.

        So Israel gets to bomb Gaza whenever it feels like it, but when Gazan’s retaliate, Israel reserves the right to punishment for not taking it on the chin?

        Got it.

      • Shingo
        March 11, 2012, 11:42 pm

        And please don’t pull the “But you started it first” argument
        because it will not lead us anywhere.

        At least wait until Marc Regev comes up with a talking point that Oleg can use.

      • Mayhem
        March 12, 2012, 4:09 am

        @Annie: Seriously is that the only example you can come up with? Those so-called allegations have now been vindicated by the killing of al-Qaisi who was involved in the cross-border attacks for which Israel had retaliated last year during Ramadan.

      • Shmuel
        March 12, 2012, 4:24 am

        … vindicated by the killing of al-Qaisi …

        That’s called circular logic.

      • Mayhem
        March 12, 2012, 5:01 am

        @Shingo: please explain the fallacy in my logic. @Annie: I am still waiting to hear a credible example of unjustified provocation by Israel against Gaza. Given the rocket attacks that continue unabated I would suggest that Israel has in fact exercised great restraint.

      • OlegR
        March 12, 2012, 5:42 am

        Well if Gideon Levy says it’s so then sure it must be true.
        Come on.

      • Shingo
        March 12, 2012, 5:55 am

        please explain the fallacy in my logic.

        The fallacy begins with you ignoring the fact that Israel continues to impose a brutal, illegal and inhumane blockade on Gaza, which is not only an act of war, but based unjustified.

        I am still waiting to hear a credible example of unjustified provocation by Israel against Gaza.

        November 4th 2008, when Israel grossly violated a 4 month ceasefire and killed 6 Palestinians – again without justification.

        There’s plenty more documented here:
        Reigniting Violence: How Do Ceasefires End? link to huffingtonpost.com

        Given the rocket attacks that continue unabated I would suggest that Israel has in fact exercised great restraint.

        This is the epitome of arrogance. The only reason Israeli apologists even get away with this insufferable display of superiority is because they are armed to the teeth by the US. Otherwise, Israel would spend less to except using restraint and more time agreeing to permanent ceasefires and diplomacy.

      • Shingo
        March 12, 2012, 6:02 am

        Well if Gideon Levy says it’s so then sure it must be true.

        Another profound and comprehensive rebuttal that totally destroys Levi’s argument.

        You blow my mind Oleg.

      • Shmuel
        March 12, 2012, 6:37 am

        Two more worthwhile articles in Haaretz on the Israeli decision to initiate a new round of violence:

        Zvi Bar’el, “Escalation is good for Israel”
        link to haaretz.com

        Yitzhak Laor, “The people demand some blood”
        link to haaretz.com

      • eljay
        March 12, 2012, 8:23 am

        >> So Israel gets to bomb Gaza whenever it feels like it, but when Gazan’s retaliate, Israel reserves the right to punishment for not taking it on the chin?

        That appears to be the “humanist” Zionist position:
        - Israel is entitled to undertake offensive military actions, and to use the resulting retaliations as justification for belligerent reprisals in order to protect its citizens.
        - The Palestinians are not entitled to do the same. However, they are permitted to “humanize ‘the Other’” and to make “better wheels”.

      • Mayhem
        March 12, 2012, 8:24 am

        Shingo fails to prove a point. He dodges the arguments raised, preferring to resort to his usual polemics.

        1. Instead of discussing the specific actions by Israel to eliminate self-professed terrorists he resorts to the usual tirade and furphy about Israel’s blockade of Gaza
        2. He refers to an event in November 2008 when the lull between Hamas and Israel was broken by Israel. In fact the Guardian explains (link to guardian.co.uk) how the short ‘truce’ was blown because Hamas was planning to use tunnels near the border to capture Israeli soldiers
        3. Shingo does not bother to consider the unrelenting frequency of the attacks launched from Gaza that are way larger in number than anything coming from the Israeli side. Because he supports Hamas anything they do is considered legitimate, even the indiscriminate shelling of innocent civilians. He resents the fact that Israel is fortunate to have string military backing from the US and is consequently in a good position to defend itself.

      • Mayhem
        March 12, 2012, 9:21 am

        Israel retaliates, Hamas and its proponents attack whenever they are in the mood.

      • Shmuel
        March 12, 2012, 9:21 am

        Israel is entitled to undertake offensive military actions, and to use the resulting retaliations as justification for belligerent reprisals in order to protect its citizens.

        Yitzhak Laor:

        We are allowed to assassinate, but you aren’t allowed to respond: For the little, if any, of our blood spilled, you will pay with many liters of blood. This is a colonial logic, in which the West has permission to do what it pleases, while the natives do not. This, incidentally, is the logic in the campaign against Iran: You don’t have permission to acquire nuclear facilities, only we do.

        link to haaretz.com

      • OlegR
        March 12, 2012, 9:32 am

        The fact that an Israeli journalist says something without backing it
        up by some concrete facts but by just giving his opinion (left right it does not matter ) that does not
        give his words any additional credibility or added value over
        something that i or any other Israeli have to say.

        This tactic “Look even the Israeli/Jews think this and that then it must be true” is way over abused by the liberal/left/radical’s when they
        comprise their arguments.

        If you (Shmuel in this case ) think something then give us your opinion not somebody else’s to whom you attribute some sort of authority.

      • Shingo
        March 12, 2012, 10:44 am

        Poor Mayhem can’t even get up to speed with the revelations about the BD behind Israel’s actions.

        1. Gideon Levy and Max Blumenthal have already exposed the fraud behind Israel’s recent actions.

        2. The Guardian explained that Israel broke the truce and reported Israel ‘s long discredit excuse for the raid on Gaza. Uri Avnery explained how the Israeli story was full of holes and Wikipedia revealed that Israel decided that it would be necessary to sabotage the truce because Hamas were benefitting from the truce politically – and this was giving Hamas legitimacy.
        3. Mayhem  expects us to accept that throttle rockets from Gaza are of the same magnitude and pose the same threat as an Israeli F16 dropping 500 and 1000 lb bombs.

        Ge does not bother to consider that the blockade itself is a flagrant act of war (and illegal) and that Israel would respond even more ferociously if they were blockaded.

        Indeed, the mother of all ironies is that hasbrats like Mayhem would be the first to defend Israel’s attack on Egypt in 1967 on response to a blockade that affected less than 5% of Israeli shipping. Yet Hamas and militants in Gaza  are supposed to accept a blockade  that affects 100% of shipping by taking it on the chin.

        Mayhem rightly blames for the indiscriminate shelling of innocent civilians (obviously implying that civilians in Gaza are not innocent) in spite if the fact that Israeli attacks destroyed civilian homes and killed civilians.

        He argues the fact that because Israel has a superior military apparatus (provided at US taxpayer expense) that this automatically confers legitimacy to Israel.

        Those who ate weak and unable to defend themselves obviously deserve to be killed. That’s the sick and sadistic mind of the Zionist for you.

      • Shingo
        March 12, 2012, 10:50 am

        Israel retaliates, Hamas and its proponents attack whenever they are in the mood.

        Because even when Israel attacks without reason or justification, it insists that it is retaliating.

        Hamas, by definition are not allowed to retsliate, let alone defend themselves.

        The same BS argument was used in the past in spite of the facts that Moshe Dayan confessed long ago that Israel would start 80% of cross border conflicts with Syria in order to elicit a reaction that could be used to justify escalation by Israel.

      • Shingo
        March 12, 2012, 10:56 am

        The fact that an Israeli journalist says something without backing it up by some concrete facts but by just giving his opinion (left right it does not matter ) that does not
        give his words any additional credibility or added value over something that i or any other Israeli have to say.

        You’re trolling Oleg.

        You said Levy was wrong, but havdnpt produced one iota of evidence to back up this claim.

        So what do you have that makes Levy wrong? You said you respected him, so either you ate calling him a liar or you’re trolling.

        Which is it!

      • OlegR
        March 12, 2012, 11:00 am

        Levy did not provide any evidence to support his claims
        he just as he always does expresses his own opinion.
        I am expressing mine.

        You make the choice of believing him on the basis that he is an Israeli
        journalist and that his views support perfectly your own preexisting opinion.
        That’s all there is to it.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 12, 2012, 11:09 am

        mayhem simplified: Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates Israel retaliates.

        ;)

      • eljay
        March 12, 2012, 11:21 am

        >> Israel retaliates …

        Yup, just as the rapist retaliates against the victim, who attacks him whenever she’s in the mood.

        It’s a very “humanist” POV.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 12, 2012, 11:22 am

        In fact the Guardian explains how the short ‘truce’ was blown because Hamas was planning to use tunnels near the border to capture Israeli soldiers

        that is not what the guardian explained at all and you know it. here is what the guardian said:

        A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory.

        Hamas responded by firing a wave of rockets into southern Israel….The Israeli military said the target of the raid was a tunnel that they said Hamas was planning to use to capture Israeli soldiers

        that is not ‘the guardian explaining Hamas was planning to use tunnels’, that is the guardian explaining how ‘israel said‘ iow how israel used some ‘alleged soon to be eminent attack by hamas’ as an excuse to frame their invasion as a response.

        do you think we are all idiots? this is no difference than us preemptively invading iraq based on some crazy logic saddam had WMD’s and would use them or iran will someday get a nuke and use it. you can’t claim there’s some hidden intelligence of upcoming violence and then claim israel was responding to the rumor. this is old old previously debunked propaganda. everyone knows israel wanted to get their war on and planned it for 6 months during the ceasefire and broke it.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 12, 2012, 11:42 am

        That’s called circular logic.

        we are supposed to get so dizzy we do not notice israel just massacred a bunch of people based on worn out rehashed allegations about someone who allegedly masterminded a terrorist attack. we are supposed to forget israel wouldn’t even release the bodies of the perpetrators or the names of the dead because whoops! they were not from gaza.

        they think the general public will completely forget their lies were exposed and decimated by bloggers, that members of the intelligencia were dragged before the knesset and refused to testify even to the committee investigating how this all went so wrong. they think we do not remember immediately after the attack jordan announced they had already informed israel of an emminent attack in southern israel over a month before.

        israel sat around and did nothing, the very same israel so proficient in setting up hundreds of checkpoints all thruout the WB can’t seen to get a little checkpoint set up on a few main roads in southern israel even tho barak just happened to be visiting the area the very same day in the same location.

        and all of this is taking place just weeks before palestinians are taking their statehood bid to the UN which we are not supposed to notice! so viola! big terrorist attack, israel chases down and murdered some egyptians and then proceeds to plummet gaza during their holiday for a WEEK while the world watches on hands tied and lips sealed.

        i can’t wait for this entire chapter of history is a thing of the past and the movies begin to roll out. there’s enough material here for decades worth. i’m so over those ww2 movies they are still making 70 years later. lets have a century of israel trying to ethnically cleanse palestine while blaming it on allegations of soon to be carried out palestinian provocations, israeli false flag operations and israeli ‘vindication’ assassinations of alleged palestinian terrorists…all according to israel..exposed.

      • Shmuel
        March 12, 2012, 11:44 am

        And here’s Zvi Bar’el’s analysis:

        It is hard to understand what basis there is for the assertion that Israel is not striving to escalate the situation. One could assume that an armed response by the Popular Resistance Committees or Islamic Jihad to Israel’s targeted assassination was taken into account. But did anyone weigh the possibility that the violent reaction could lead to a greater number of Israeli casualties than any terrorist attack that Zuhair al-Qaisi, the secretary-general of the Popular Resistance Committees, could have carried out?

        In the absence of a clear answer to that question, one may assume that those who decided to assassinate al-Qaisi once again relied on the “measured response” strategy, in which an Israeli strike draws a reaction, which draws an Israeli counter-reaction. Everything is proportionate, and Israel controls the height of the flames, while proclaiming that “Israel does not seek to escalate the situation.”

        Is that so?

        And what IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz’s statement a few weeks ago that there will be no alternative to a large-scale operation in Gaza? And what if the Islamic Jihad does not adopt the Israeli strategy and stop firing? Will Gantz’s threat finally materialize, catapulting Israel into a “Cast Lead Two” scenario?

        Unlike Israel, Hamas has an understandable interest in putting an end to the escalation, which caught it off guard. The organization is mired in an internal political struggle. After fleeing Syria, its leadership is looking for a new home. The dialogue with Fatah has yet to produce an agreement on a unity government, and its ideological side must deal with the willingness of the Muslim Brotherhood, its ideological umbrella organization, to carry on a dialogue with the U.S. and respect the peace agreement between Egypt and Israel.

        Hamas, while it does not fully control the activities of all of the organizations in Gaza, has managed to secure important agreements with most of them, including the Islamic Jihad, which has joined the effort to reconcile with Fatah. Hamas is also dependant on Egypt regarding the passage of civilians through the Rafah Crossing and merchandise through the network of tunnels between the two territories, as well as for the fuel that enables it to provide Gazans with electricity. Even if its leadership was still located in Damascus, Hamas cannot disconnect itself from Egypt and remains shackled to its foreign policy toward Israel.

        This dependence on Egypt has managed in the past to produce extended ceasefires which have proven themselves in recent months, especially after the signing of the reconciliation agreement with Fatah, which produced Khaled Meshal’s declarations that Hamas would restrict itself to nonviolent forms of struggle against Israel.

        However, it seems that the change in Hamas not only hasn’t convinced Israel, but even stands in the way of its “no partner” policy and could sabotage its efforts to head off the creation of a Palestinian unity government, which would lead to renewed efforts at the UN to secure an independent Palestinian state.

        Thus, Hamas must be dragged toward military activity against Israel, and nothing is easier, at least in Israel’s estimation, than to launch a “unilateral” attack against a wanted non-Hamas man, to wait for the response to come, and hope that Hamas joins in.

        So far, it hasn’t happened. Hamas still prefers the diplomatic channel and has carried on intensive diplomatic contacts over the past two days with Egypt’s Supreme Military Council. Israel apparently needs to wait for another opportunity. Meanwhile, however, it has already managed to turn the attention of Arab diplomacy away from Syria and toward the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

        What part of it do you disagree with? That Israel is interested in an escalation? That Hamas is not interested in an escalation? That Hamas has managed to reach important agreements with most of the Islamic organisations? That “extended cease fires … have proven themselves in recent months”?

        It’s not enough to say you “respect” Bar’el (or Levy or Eldar or anyone else – Israeli or not) but he has his opinion and you have yours, or that you’ll take the IDF Spokesman’s “word” over Levy’s. What part of Levy’s and Bar’el’s analysis is off and why?

      • Shingo
        March 12, 2012, 5:14 pm

        Levy did not provide any evidence to support his claims
        he just as he always does expresses his own opinion.
        I am expressing mine.

        Rubbish. Levy lays put the facts very simply:

        Who started it? The IDF and the Shin Bet security service did.

        Shin Bet does not deny this all began with a targetted killing. It’s a fact.

        You’re simply a troll at calling from the bleachers.

      • Mayhem
        March 12, 2012, 6:04 pm

        One would not doubt that Israel would take the opportunity to punish militants when they launch rocket attacks as Zvi Bar’El suggests. Strategic Affairs minister Yaalon sums up the situation: “if you are quiet, we will be quiet, if you shoot, or plot attacks, we will hit you, and so the ball is certainly in their court.”

      • Shingo
        March 12, 2012, 7:14 pm

        “if you are quiet, we will be quiet, if you shoot, or plot attacks, we will hit you, and so the ball is certainly in their court.”

        Or, based on Israel’s track record:

        if you are quiet, we will be quiet until we decide we don’t feel like being quiet. In which case, we will react to any response from you and call it self defense.

        (after all, Gaza was quiet for 4 months in 2008, and Israel sti attacked)

        if you shoot, or plot attacks, we will hit you, and so the ball is certainly in their court, and even if you don’t, we will accuse you of doing it just do that we have an excuse to hit you

  2. dahoit
    March 10, 2012, 11:01 am

    How far is west Gaza from east Gaza,a few hundred feet?Talk about a narrow indefensible state.Sheesh.
    Ah,the Rotweillers were stopped from blowing up Iran and Syria(well at least openly)so they had to exercise some some good old repression on their captive mice,as therapy for their frustration.
    I see the Iron Dome was given credit for shooting down 25 of 27 large bottle rockets.Stock options anyone?Iron rusts,maybe the Stainless Steel Dome would have better connotations?

  3. atime forpeace
    March 10, 2012, 11:26 am

    while the world looked the other way…well, while the u.s continnues to look the other way.

    to all the hasbarist that float on through here, congratulations on your humanitarian concerns for all the people that you guys care so much for, you give israel a great name and by association you also reflect on others of your tribe by default.

    again, my congrats to you guys for all you do on behalf of your people, you are after all “the chosen”.

  4. seafoid
    March 10, 2012, 11:28 am

    This is what Jewish self determination is .

  5. proudzionist777
    March 10, 2012, 12:17 pm

    This is what Jewish self preservation is.

    link to ynetnews.com

    • chet
      March 10, 2012, 1:10 pm

      “Jewish self preservation” = murderous racism.

    • Mndwss
      March 10, 2012, 2:29 pm

      Putting people into large ghettos and brutally punishing any form of uprising (or even a potential uprising that may or may not happen) is only self preservation.

      So ethnic self preservation must be good?

      Does that include Aryan self preservation?

      What happened to the people in the Warsaw Ghetto was only Aryan self preservation?

    • Charon
      March 10, 2012, 3:17 pm

      The holocaust analogies are absurd as is the notion of preemptive war, assassination, and torture. Fortress Israel is one of the world’s top military powers. Amazing considering it’s tiny size, but you can thank us taxpaying suckers in the USA for that.

      Israel’s number one ‘threat’ is apparently homemade rockets made in basements along with imaginary and invisible Iranian nuclear weapons. Next in line are molotov cocktails followed by old-fashioned stones. Let’s not forget the ‘existensial threat’ of the non-violent West Bank protesters.

      Reading Zionist newspapers speculating about the potential of a “ground deployment” in Gaza is also absurd. Gaza is grossly exaggerated into being this giant haven for terrorists constantly plotting the next holocaust. In reality, the Gaza Strip is 25 miles long and 4 miles wide for the most part. It’s a teeny tiny place which Israel has turned into an open air prison. Judging from all the illegal Israelis in the US accused of being spies, considering Gaza is right next to Israel and over half the population is women and children, I find it hard to believe that anything goes on in Gaza without Israel knowing about it. No point in speculating about secret terrorists in secret tunnels building secret sea-pushing devices for Jews. Nothing is happening accept Israel is denying that entire population the right to be humanely treated.

      Given the treatment, one would expect it would piss of some captive people anyways who might want to take their anger out on their captors. The situation breeds resistance. A preemptive attack is stupid. The reason given is never correct. Minority report pre-cogs are not real. Zionists are terrible mind readers. Assassination is stupid because it’s murder. Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin never laid a finger on anybody. He was in a wheelchair. Who cares if he radicalized people with words? Mossad pretends to be ‘Islamists’ all the time trying to bait radical behavior and sectarian violence.

      And torture has never been effective because it produces false confessions. Israel loves torture. Ironically, the reason why Jews were blamed for the plague was because Jews were tortured into false confessions.

      Israel is not unique and should not be treated uniquely with applied double standards. The majority of the world’s Jews do not live in Israel. They live in the USA or elsewhere in diaspora. Self-preservation my arse. This is about ethnically cleansing the ‘hostile’ indigenous peoples who are only ‘hostile’ because of the brutal treatment by Zionist colonists. You folks might want the world to think that Muslims and Arabs want to holocaust Jews, but that’s a lie. Israel’s Middle Eastern ‘enemies’ don’t like Israel or Zionism because of what Zionists have done to them over the years, mostly due to Zionist terrorism, unnecessary warfare to steal territory, and occupation.

      Self-preservation…. What a joke. If you folks truly believe that’s the case, put down your weapons and open up your borders. Embrace your neighbors and offer unilateral peace with no conditions or anything. Of course, the typical Zionist response would be “Then they would push us into the sea” which again is terrible mind reading. In Israel, the holocaust is used to make Zionists insane. They didn’t learn anything from it and are now responsible for causing an on-going one whether they want to admit it or not.

      • seafoid
        March 11, 2012, 6:23 am

        Imagine a post war situation with the IDF unconditionally surrendered where the entire Jewish population of Israel south of Tel Aviv was herded in to a strip of land measuring 6km by 22 km and kept there for 3 generations. Bombed every 2 years . No economic activity allowed. Calorific intake controlled. Nobody allowed out.

        That is what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians.

    • Shingo
      March 11, 2012, 11:15 pm

      This is what Jewish self preservation is.

      Looks more like preservation of fascism and apartheid.

  6. proudzionist777
    March 10, 2012, 2:24 pm

    Gaza (CNN) — Eleven Palestinians were killed and at least four critically injured Friday and early Saturday after a series of Israeli airstrikes targeted suspected militants across Gaza, according to Palestinian medical officials.

    In what appeared to be the initial attack, an Israeli airstrike killed two men traveling in a police vehicle in Gaza City, the officials said.

    One of the men was identified as Mahmoud Ahmad Al-Hanini, a Hamas military leader originally from the northern West Bank city of Nablus. Al-Hanini was deported to Gaza about five years ago after being freed from an Israeli prison.

    HEY WAIT A MINUTE. I THOUGHT THE POLICE IN GAZA WERE NON-COMBATANTS SEPARATE AND APART FROM HAMAS AND THE OTHER TERROR GROUPS?

    • Annie Robbins
      March 10, 2012, 2:46 pm

      by your logic anyone who formerly served in idf and is now traveling in a police vehicle is no longer a civilian and could be classified as a terrorist combatant and legal target of resistance. thanks for the clarification.

    • Mndwss
      March 10, 2012, 3:25 pm

      “One of the men was identified as Mahmoud Ahmad Al-Hanini, a Hamas military leader originally from the northern West Bank city of Nablus. Al-Hanini was deported to Gaza about five years ago after being freed from an Israeli prison.”

      So the Israelis freed him from an Israeli prison and sent him to the “free” Gaza ghetto and not his hometown Nablus?

      If you think this is freedom, then you should change your name to: proudnazi666

      • kalithea
        March 11, 2012, 4:03 am

        I wrote my comment regarding his name before I saw yours. Actually, proudzionist777 is a euphemism for the real thing.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 11, 2012, 4:18 am

        mndwss, they didn’t send him back to nablus because presently israel isn’t killing people w/drones in nablus. by sending him to gaza they can use his assassination as a pretext to slaughter gazans when ever they get a sadistic urge to pulverize a civilian population. so they make a deal, and then not only break the deal but use it to their advantage (so resourceful) to justify more and more death.

        zionism is so..creative. whoops! it isn’t zionisms fault, it is just the zionist’s fault because everyone knows zionism is actually such a groovy thing idealistically and all that/ self actualization or something.

      • OlegR
        March 11, 2012, 8:16 am

        /by sending him to gaza they can use his assassination as a pretext to slaughter gazans when ever they get a sadistic urge to pulverize a civilian population/

        By they you mean who exactly ?

      • OlegR
        March 11, 2012, 10:13 am

        /mndwss, they didn’t send him back to nablus because presently israel isn’t killing people w/drones in nablus. /
        Yes and we want too keep it that way.
        And inhabitants of Nablus will probably agree with me.

        /assassination as a pretext to slaughter gazans when ever they get a sadistic urge to pulverize a civilian population. /
        Yes yes we are all sadists and just can’t get without our pound of
        Palestinian flesh once in a while.

        /and then not only break the deal but use it to their advantage (so resourceful) to kustify more and more death./
        So vile so diabolically conniving.

        Ps.
        Break the deal.
        I don’t thinks that when we released those guys we promised them
        immunity forever ever no matter what.

    • kalithea
      March 11, 2012, 3:45 am

      Israel embraces those poor, oppressed Syrians who are hooking up with AQ and Salafists and offers them “humanitarian” aid and cries oceans of crocodile tears over the plight of the Syrians who have taken up armed resistance…meanwhile Israelis are SLAUGHTERING dozens of Palestinians in the Gaza GULAG.

      Israel is the only country in the world with its own CONCENTRATION CAMP where it can experiment its cluster bombs, phosphorous and other weaponry it gets with U.S. funds. Israelis kiss their bombs and write love notes to Palestinian children before they slaughter them inside THE CONCENTRATION CAMP.

      Israel has way more experience in the oppression industry than Assad, since Israel has been occupying, oppressing, stealing and killing for DECADES.

      Then Israelis turn around and shed CROCODILE TEARS and offer up assistance to Syrian Salafists, magnetic explosives to Pakistani terror groups like Jundallah, training the PKK, getting cozy with the MEK you name it while they point the finger at Iran and accuse it of sponsoring terrorism.

      My-oh-my the HYPOCRISY IS STAGGERING.

    • kalithea
      March 11, 2012, 4:01 am

      ProudZionist…why 777 and not 666?

  7. Cliff
    March 10, 2012, 2:48 pm

    Yea I wonder how many Israeli soldiers get away with crimes against Palestinians.

    I’m sure pz would support attacking Israeli police academy graduations as well if he were on the extremist end of the specturm for the Palestinian side.

  8. chet
    March 10, 2012, 8:33 pm

    Pres. Obama asked the odious master liar Netanyahoo for a proposal to further the I/P peace process.

    This is the bloodthirsty murderer’s response.

  9. kalithea
    March 11, 2012, 3:59 am

    Here’s what Israelis excel in: Oppression, Occupation, Theft and Slaughter as well as maintaining ghettos, gulags and the only concentration camp in the world today.

    Gee, I wonder what is so special about Israelis that they can get away with so much for so long with total impunity?

    The answer to this question can only be based on PURE EVIL.

  10. Talkback
    March 11, 2012, 2:50 pm

    Imagine the following news:

    Netanyahu, an Israeli militant leader, was assassinated. It was believed that he planned an attack on Gaza. Jewish terrorists retaliated with home made rockets. 15 of them were killed including one child. 30 more were wounded including a reporter and his pregnant wife.

    Comments from ‘ProudPalestinan666′:
    “This is what Palestinian self preservation is.”

  11. Talkback
    March 14, 2012, 9:30 am

    This article and Annie Robbins comment “yes, why shouldn’t they respond to israel’s violent provocations. that is human nature” made it into Haaretz:
    link to haaretz.com

    I remember that the comment list in Haaretz was much longer yesterday. Even Richard Witty commented on Annie.

    • Donald
      March 14, 2012, 10:23 am

      Interesting about the comment list. I only see one comment, clicked on “all” and still just saw one.

      On his point, I agree that we on the “hard left” shouldn’t justify rockets launched at civilians or sound dismissive of them, but what Burston completely ignores in that column is the fact that the mainstream discussion doesn’t follow the lead of Human Rights Watch in condemning the violence of both sides, but rather is more like the Obama Administration (including Obama) in condemning the rocket fire as terrible violence while passing over or even justifying the Israeli violence that kills far more people. Among the “hard left” you will find some people who actually support the rocket fire, but the people who don’t support it, but sound dismissive are reacting to the vast hypocrisy in the US political mainstream. (I think Annie is in that second group, but she’ll probably come along here and speak for herself.)

      Burston has to know this, or if he doesn’t it’s because he wants to make his own sort of dismissive point. He writes a piece about the “hard left” in order to stick a label on all of them as terrorist supporters. He doesn’t want them to have a voice, so he trashes them all without making distinctions. If he wanted to write an honest piece he’d make distinctions and talk about the “liberal Zionists” and “supporters of the two state solution” and other “supporters of Israel” who never condemn Israeli atrocities and who dominate the American press and Congress.

      • eljay
        March 14, 2012, 10:39 am

        >> Donald @ March 14, 2012 at 10:23 am

        Well said.

  12. Talkback
    March 14, 2012, 3:18 pm

    Maybe Burston can tell us, if he’s ok with Palestinians assassinating Israeli leaders including “colateral damage” and a kill ratio as high as Israel’s. He would be the first Zionist who’s not a hypocrit. LOL.

  13. Talkback
    March 14, 2012, 8:52 pm

    “Interesting about the comment list. I only see one comment, clicked on “all” and still just saw one.”

    I linked the print edition by mistake.

    This is the original article, including the whole comment list and Witty’s comment (#18):
    link to haaretz.com

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