International attention must be paid to the Palestinian nonviolent movement

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Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi

No matter where, how or by whom a peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is arrived at, it will not only be the result of high-level, closed-door negotiations. While the final signatures and handshakes will be made by leaders on both sides, it will be the “street” and the people that win the peace. I believe that only a peaceful, organized and committed nonviolent movement can change the balance of power in Palestinian favor, from one of military calculation to one based on human rights and the moral high ground.

 
Accepting nonviolent resistance as a way of ending the occupation is more than a short-term political calculation born of the failure of violence. It is also more than the long-term political understanding that a peace that is forged by peaceful means will be enduring, productive and mutually beneficial. Nonviolence is a way of life and an ideology that extends beyond weekly popular protests against Israel. It is a way of thinking, acting and reflecting that enters into our daily lives, homes, places of work, classrooms and municipalities. Nonviolence, as embodied in our civil society, is not only a means to our liberation from Israel, it is our means of building a civil and democratic Palestinian state that respects and upholds the civil and human rights of its citizens.
 
While the international community has failed to pay attention, the third Palestinian intifada (Arabic for ‘shaking off’) began in the middle of the last decade – before the second one even ended. Much like the first intifada, today’s is not led by the government or any one figure.  And it is  characterized by volunteerism and nonviolence. Unlike the first intifada, however, this new movement for freedom and justice has not garnered much in the way of international attention.
 
Weekly popular protests against the Wall and occupation have been ongoing since 2002. Week after week in villages like Bil’in, Nihlin, and Budrus, and in smaller neighborhoods in cities like East Jerusalem and Khalil (Hebron), protesters have marched. They are no longer armed with a rifle and an olive branch, but only an olive branch and their dignity. Dozens have been killed and thousands have been injured and/or arrested. They will march again and again and again until a just end is achieved by just means. Or will they? 
 
Every day in our universities and libraries we can find stories about the success of nonviolence and the virtues of the cause. From Gandhi to Martin Luther King, Jr., we have been told about the victories and how they have come from the capacity to force the oppressor to look in the mirror – how not to destroy an enemy, but to transform them into an ally.
 
The last week has seen a number of nonviolent actions all over the occupied territories in solidarity with the thousands of Palestinians who declared a hunger strike (one of the most nonviolent forms of human resistance).
 
The success of nonviolence will not be secured unless something begins to change on the ground in Israel and Palestine. How long will Palestinians march into gas, malodorous skunk spray, sonic screams and death before the hope and dreams of the promise of nonviolence is choked to death? How long will Palestinians struggle against not only the Israeli military, but also the violence committed by their undercover agents, settlers and provocateurs? Finally, how long can Palestinian civil society and our allies wage peace – with scant attention from the international media – against an increasingly sophisticated and cruel occupation?
 
Nonviolence, like any other belief or goal, must be nurtured by a hope in a better tomorrow. This hope serves as an armor that, while offering us scant physical protection, provides us with the courage to continue to face such overwhelming odds. Day after day and week after week, Palestinians have been doing their part to bring about a nonviolent resolution to the conflict.
 
The historic hunger strike should serve as a wake-up call to Palestinians, Israelis and the international community as a whole. Whatever happens going forward, one thing is for certain: We must not accept to be slaves to occupation, Apartheid, oppression and internal divisions. We must move forward and never let our hopes for peace and justice die. 
 
Mustafa Barghouthi, a doctor and a member of the Palestinian parliament, was a candidate for president in 2005. He is secretary-general of the Palestinian National Initiative, a political party.

About Mustafa Barghouthi

Dr. Mustafa Barghouti is a member of the Palestinian Parliament and Secretary General of the Palestinian National Initiative.
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  1. Kathleen says:

    Thank you Dr. Barghouti. You are admired world wide

    “Day after day and week after week, Palestinians have been doing their part to bring about a nonviolent resolution to the conflict.”

    My dear friend Art Gish (deceased) who participated in the occupied territories as a witness to Israeli abuse with the Christian Peace Maker Team and with ISM said for years that there have been may Palestinians who tried to cultivate a non violent movement for decades. That many of these individuals were either jailed or killed. Is there a source to read about the efforts over the decades to focus on non violence in this movement by individuals

    • Daniel Rich says:

      @ Kathleen,

      The Untouchables – Sean Connery as Sam Malone:

      Malone: You said you wanted to get Capone. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I’m saying is, what are you prepared to do?

      Ness: Anything within the law.

      Malone: And *then* what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they’re not gonna give up the fight, until one of you is dead.

      Ness: I want to get Capone! I don’t know how to do it.

      Malone: You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That’s* the *Chicago* way! And that’s how you get Capone. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I’m offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?

      Ness: I have sworn to capture this man with all legal powers at my disposal and I will do so.

      Malone: Well, the Lord hates a coward. [jabs Ness with his hand, and Ness shakes it]

      Malone: Do you know what a blood oath is, Mr. Ness?

      Ness: Yes.

      Malone: Good, ’cause you just took one.

    • Jane A. says:

      Yes. Mazin Qumsiyeh’s Popular Resistance in Palestine

  2. yourstruly says:

    “we must not accept to be slaves to occupation, apartheid and internal divisions”

    likewise in the u.s. of a. we must not accept being slaves to the 1% who own and rule the 99%. what’s more doesn’t the outcome of the hunger strike by palestinian prisoners suggest that the most immediately effective approach to turning things around would be for a universal hunger strike in support of the 99% to take place, with each community to issue its basic demands based upon the occupy movement’s “leaderless yet everyone a leader” formula? daytime hunger strikes could be staged initially outside various power/wealth institutions (banks, corporate HQ, offices of politicians, israeli consulates, etc. etc), and ratched-up both in length of the starvation period and the extent of the demands. the unifying effect of such dramatic yet popular expressions of solidarity among the 99% of humanity that is essentially powerless should not be underestimated. what’s more, since a people united can never be defeated, think what a world united might accomplish.

  3. BillM says:

    It is working and attention is finally being paid even in the US, but slowly. NPR, for instance, today had a story on “Palestinian non-violence” which barely mentioned non-violence but spent a lot of time reminding the listener about how Palestinians like to fire rockets, blow themselves up, and start riots (obviously Israeli violence escaped mention almost completely).

    The focus on Palestinian violence needs to go hand in hand with a focus on Israeli violence. Obviously activists have been focusing on this for years, but I think it raises a tactical question as to whether less emphasis should be placed on the settlements themselves, on more on the very visceral Israeli violence against individuals.

  4. thank you Mustafa Barghouthi! all your efforts will not be in vain. the world is waking up and people are listening and working hard for the palestinian struggle for freedom for it is all our struggle, humanities struggle.

    bless you for all you do.

  5. giladg says:

    Mr. Barghouti’s Big Bluff

    The Palestinian non-violent movement is in its infant stage, is a mirage, and will not stand the test of time.
    This is what is going to happen, mark my words. The BDS movement is not going to achieve the goals that were set out for it. The same success achieved against South Africa will not be repeated, and once understood as such, by Mr. Barghouti and his friends are going to show frustration. And with the frustration, poof, the so called Palestinian non-violent movement will go up in smoke with the terror attacks.

    Mr. Barghouthi, instead of using the non-violent aspect to your struggle as the mantra of whatever you do, I would suggest that you rather deal with the actual items on the agenda that are central to the struggle. What we should be hearing from you is how much your are ready for reconciliation, just like Mandela was. You are no Mandela. Mandela would come out and say to the Jews that they have just as much right to Jerusalem, the holy sites, as anyone else. Lets hear you Mr. Barghouti, let’s hear you. Silence….anybody home?

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “Mandela would come out and say to the Jews that they have just as much right to Jerusalem, the holy sites, as anyone else.”

      When are the Jews occupying Palestine going to come out and say that the Palestinians have as much right to Jerusalem, the holy sites, as the Jews do??? When? All we hear from the zios is the “eternal capital” lie.

      • giladg says:

        Woody, Israel already has done exactly that. In 1967, after the Six Day War, Israel was in a position to change the status-quo in Jerusalem and especially on the Temple Mount, the holiest site for Jews. And what did Israel do? Yes, Woody, Israel recognized that the Temple Mount is also important to Muslims and allowed the Muslim Wakaf to continue it administrative control of this shared site. Remember this is the holiest site for Jews, the site of the First and Second Jewish Temples, and on top of the ruins of those Temples, Muslims build mosques. Jews have already made the compromise. Now go and demand the same from the Palestinians.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          Nonsense, gilad, and you know it.

          First, you people DID change the status quo of al-Quds, claiming in your Basic law for “Jerusalem” that al-Quds, united, is the eternal capital of the zionist state. The rest of the world saw it was bs, but you people still tried.

          Second, while Israel didn’t do a Bimiyah Buddha job on al-Haram ash-Sharif as some Jews wanted (one cheer for not being as bad as the Taliban), it still control who gets to visit it, often limiting Muslims from doing so simply because they’re males of a particular age.

          But, beyond that, you people have repeated asserted that you do not recognize any claim to the city of al-Quds, except your own. When your dear leaders agree that the Palestians to have their rightful claim, and full possession and soverignty to their city, then you can ask something of them. Before that, wash your own unclean hands.

        • eljay says:

          >> Second, while Israel didn’t do a Bimiyah Buddha job on al-Haram ash-Sharif as some Jews wanted (one cheer for not being as bad as the Taliban), it still control who gets to visit it, often limiting Muslims from doing so simply because they’re males of a particular age.

          “Israel: We may not be as good as the best but, hey, at least we’re not as bad as the worst!” (c)

        • talknic says:

          giladg

          “In 1967, after the Six Day War, Israel was in a position to change the status-quo in Jerusalem”

          UNSC res 252 and SIX reminders say you’re spouting the holey olde Hasbara

          “what did Israel do?”

          Other than agree to an Armistice Agreement, then illegally annex and illegally settle, illegally claiming territory for itself?

          ” Israel … allowed the Muslim Wakaf to continue it administrative control of this shared site”

          “allowed”? Was obliged. The arrogance of some people has no boundaries… Israel had no say in changing the status of any religious site in “territories occupied” under the Armistice Agreement.

          “Remember this is the holiest site for Jews”

          Uh huh… But it isn’t in Israeli territory. You have to flip from Israel to Jews, then flop back again, desperately trying to justify. It’s hilarious.

          “on top of the ruins of those Temples, Muslims build mosques.”

          Quite. Muslims built a house of worship to the same G-od. Muslims build Mosques. Muslims should have built a synagogue? AMAZING!!!

          BTW it was Israeli Emergency Law of 1948 that forbade Israelis, Jewish and non-Jewish, from entering the territory of a hostile state, that prevented Jews from visiting the Temple Mount from 1948 to 1967. It’s still in force BTW, simply disregarded when it comes to Jewish Israelis entering “territories occupied”.

          “Jews have already made the compromise”

          “Jews” now is it? Israel has made NO compromises. Not one in 64 years. It has only taken, against International Law and its obligations to the UN Charter, purposefully setting out to deceive

          “Now go and demand the same from the Palestinians”

          Like what? They have no thing of Israel’s. No Israeli territory, no Israeli prisoners, no illegal settlements in Israel. Nada, nil, zip.

          Israel’s demands for recognition of the Jewish State has no legal foundation what so ever. No entity can be forced to recognize another. It’s a unilateral decision to recognize. No other entity has ever been asked to recognize the “Jewish State” and no entity has recognized Israel other than as its official name “THE STATE OF ISRAEL”

          Can you answer me these four simple questions honestly?
          1) What countries did Israel recognize before statehood?
          2) How many countries has Israel officially recognized in 64 years?
          3) How many countries have recognized Palestine?
          4) How many countries recognized Israel before it was admitted into the UN?

        • giladg says:

          Palestinians have never, in all of history, at no time in history, controlled Jerusalem. And why do you not know this Woody?

        • Talkback says:

          Jerusalem was the capital of Palestine between 1923 and 1948. Why do you not know this giladg?

        • MHughes976 says:

          And Jerusalem was founded by Canaanites, of course.

        • giladg says:

          British Mandated Palestine was controlled by who Talkback? There is a clue to the answer in my question.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Palestinians have never, in all of history, at no time in history, controlled Jerusalem.”

          And yet they still have a greater right to it than a horde of European Jews. Imagine that.

        • Samuel T says:

          giladg,

          You appear to be citing history as a relevant source. Outstanding!
          British Mandated Palestine was of course under British Rule.
          Historically, the origins of Jerusalem are intact, regardless of the fact that; Jerusalem was, at times, under the Rule of other nations; from Babylon>>>to the Roman Empire>>>Remember the “Crusades.” and on, on we go.

          However, unless one is a fan of revisionist historians, (I am not) the fact that the Jewish peoples were displaced from their homeland and scattered to the far reaches of the World, refugees, hated with impunity and without a home, seems to be completely irrelevant to (some) people who are advocating for Palestinians, who have been displaced from their homeland, scattered, refugees, hated with impunity and without a home.

          Is that irony or hypocrisy or simply cognitive dissonance?

    • Kathleen says:

      giladg..time to start reading the writing on the wall. Israel is its own worst enemy.

  6. Daniel Rich says:

    I have this agreement with animals [like flies, dogs and sharks]: I know what you’re about. As long as you don’t attack me, we’ll live in peace and harmony. The other option is obvious.

    • Mooser says:

      ” The other option is obvious.”

      Please stop, Daniel! I just go all gooey inside when a man declares he’ll kill offending animals. And I bet you don’t even care that flies, dogs or sharks read this blog, they don’t scare you! A regular Samson, you are.

  7. asherpat says:

    Mr. Barghouti,

    What is the difference between the ultimate goals of the Palestinian “non-violent” and “violent” movements?

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      asherpat,

      The ultimate goals of both is the freedom of Palestinians and a lifting of the crushing zionist oppression. Too bad there is no real zio movement to live and let live with the Palestinians in Palestine, where everyone’s rights are fully respected and all are equal regardless of nationality, ethnicity or religion. If you people don’t give a damn about the Palestinians’ rights, then who the hell are you to ask the Palestinians to care about the Jews?

  8. giladg says:

    Time to learn from the Black South Africans

    Little is understood about what apartheid really means. Widespread miss-use of this term is directed at Israel. The approach taken is that if it is said enough times, then people will begin to believe it. Many are taking the bait. However, Palestinian leaders, like Barghouti, need to understand that there are two pieces that go together and are inseparable in the context of the comparison between Israel and South Africa. If the Palestinians want to play the part of the Black South Africans, then they also need to adopt the second part of the equation as well, which is “RECONCILIATION”. Taking the one without the other does not fit the non-violent agenda. The question to be asked is “what comes next?”.
    In effect what we have when looking at the solution to the conflict is “apartheid=reconciliation”. Study up on what went down in South Africa and you will quickly realize that without reconciliation, no solution would have been found. And so it goes with the Arab/Israeli, Palestinian/Jewish conflict. The Palestinians need to reconcile with real people. These people are called Jews. It is a whole lot of bs to tell us the Palestinians have reconciled with receiving only a percentage of historic Palestine. This is distortion and has nothing to do with reconciliation. You talk the talk Mr. Barghouti. Now walk the walk. What are you offering Jews Mr. Barghouti?

    • Shmuel says:

      gilad,

      Reconciliation came after the abolition of apartheid and is an ongoing process.

      As another Barghouti (Omar) said:

      “When a master hugs a slave, it is not love, but rape. First the master-slave relationship must be ended, then we will be able to tolerate one another and eventually, who knows, maybe even come to love one another.”

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        That’s exactly right, Shmuel.

      • giladg says:

        If its all right with you Shmuel, we want the reconciliation to start now.

        • Shmuel says:

          we want the reconciliation to start now

          An interesting notion, reconciliation before (read: rather than) ending apartheid. Now why didn’t De Klerk think of that? He could have had his koek and eaten it too! Mmmm, lekker.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “If its all right with you Shmuel, we want the reconciliation to start now.”

          Of course you do. It’s would be real nice for the slave holder, if the his slaves were to forgive him his sins, without having to free them first. Likewise, it’s a great deal for the rapist if his victim forgave him before he completed the rape.

          So I understand why you want forgiveness from your victims while you are still torturing them. But the world doesn’t work that way.

          Would ask the rapist to reconcile during the assault or the slave to reconcile while in chains? Your inhumanity is demonstrated by that which you ask of others.

        • eljay says:

          >> … we want the reconciliation to start now.

          The rapist wants reconciliation with his victim to start now, but she refuses and just keeps begging him to stop raping her and to let her go free. The poor rapist can’t understand why she’s being so uncooperative. Why does she hate him so much?! :-(

          Zio-supremacism really does make people stupid.

        • Shmuel says:

          I just had a great idea, gilad, in the spirit of that other South Africa you’ve invented. Why not have a giant reconciliation brai? The Palestinians could pay for, cook and serve the food, and when they’ve finished doing the dishes, they can have the leftovers! Come one come all!*

          *Except refugees, prisoners and anyone who can’t get through the checkpoints.

        • If its all right with you Shmuel, we want the reconciliation to start now.

          giladg, who are you referencing when you say “we”? can you provide any indication the goi has initiated any action or movement towards “reconciliation”? certainly the action of continued theft of palestinian land, retroactive legalization of outlawed outposts and settlements, the recent state petition to appeal the high court decision to dismantel illegal settlement of ulpana, all of these things run counter to the notion of reconciliation.

          simply requesting palestinians negotiate while israel is busy stealing their land is not an indication of an attempt to reconcile. negotiate does not mean reconcile, especially when israels expectation is for palestinians to negotiate over their own submission…which all indications point in this direction.

          so, if you advocate reconciliation what do you propose israel offer? just for starters perhaps you could make a suggestion. because, contrary to palestine, israel refused to even write down any proposals as requested by the quartet last fall. they came empty handed to Amman and not only offered nothing, they couldn’t even bring themselves to write a proposal of their intent.

          so who’s we?

        • giladg says:

          As I have mentioned to you in many times in posts that seem to be rejected, as probably this one will be as well, the number one issue which drives the Palestinian leadership, which they manage to mask by citing other secondary issues, is the issue of ownership of the Temple Mount. All that a Jewish State can offer the Palestinians, regarding the Temple Mount, is religious access, which Israel is already doing. Now a future independent peaceful Palestine will get added special access from Israel. This is what Israel can offer.
          For the Palestinians this is currently not enough. They believe all the maneuvering around the lie of apartheid and ethnic cleansing is going to get the world to crush Israel and leave the path open for them to ride in and take control of the Temple Mount. So Israel is willing to work towards a practical, sharing type of arrangement around the Temple Mount. This should be enough for the Palestinians. Do not ask the Jews to walk away from the Temple Mount. If G-d gave this land to the Jews, then no Jew is then allowed to then give it away to someone else. Share yes. Give away, no.

        • giladg says:

          What are you smoking Shmuel?

        • So Israel is willing to work towards a practical, sharing type of arrangement around the Temple Mount.

          you can’t rewrite history gilad. the palestine papers happened. the palestinians already offered that, israel thumbed their nose.

          link to aljazeera.com

          Erekat’s solution for the Haram
          The PA’s chief negotiator suggested unprecedented compromises on the division of Jerusalem and its holy sites.

          “There are creative ways”

          In a meeting on October 21, 2009 with George Mitchell, the US Middle East envoy, David Hale, Mitchell’s deputy, and Jonathan Schwartz, the then-US State Department legal adviser, Erekat told the Americans that they would need a “creative” solution for the division of the Old City.

          Erekat: “It’s solved. You have the Clinton Parameters formula. For the Old City sovereignty for Palestine, except the Jewish quarter and part of the Armenian quarter … the Haram can be left to be discussed – there are creative ways, having a body or a committee, having undertakings for example not to dig [excavations under the Al Aqsa mosque]. The only thing I cannot do is convert to Zionism.”

          Schwartz: To confirm to Sen. Mitchell, [this is] your private idea …

          Erekat: This conversation is in my private capacity.

          Schwartz: We’ve heard the idea from others. So you’re not the first to raise it.

          Erekat: Others are not the chief negotiator of the PLO.

          This was a surprising statement from Erekat: The status of the Haram al-Sharif has rarely been discussed during negotiations.

        • Mooser says:

          “If G-d gave this land to the Jews”

          Yes that’s a big “if”. Don’t you think it would simplify matters and clarify things if you could get G-d to make a statement or issue a press release with a clear statement of where He stands on the matter? I mean is that so hard? Just call Him up and ask Him Giladg! He’ll take your call, and I’m sure there will be a statement in fiery letters across the sky by that evening.

          Giladg, it’s not your stupidity I dislike, it’s your willingness to make a whore out of Judaism and in this case, even G-d His Very Own F–king self has become your crack whore. If G-d says that about the Temple Mount, why won’t he be a man and say it? I mean, why wouldn’t G-d say anything you says He does?
          Go ahead Giladg, use G-d and Judaism as your whore, see where it gets you.

        • Shmuel says:

          What are you smoking Shmuel?

          Why the tantalising fumes from the Great Reconciliation Brai, of course! Smell those kebabs. They are just to die for.

        • giladg says:

          “the Haram can be left to be discussed” says Erkat. Annie, I just stated that it is the Temple Mount that is driving everything. You cannot then come back at me and state that the issue has been resolved and then quote in the same breath that “the Haram can be left to be discussed”. Do you understand the contradiction in your comments? Unintentionally you are backing up what I am saying but you fail to internalize the significance. Jews are not going to walk away from the Temple Mount. The Western Wall is not the holiest site for Jews. This significant point is misunderstood by far too many. So no, you cannot discuss the “Haram” later.
          And if you have been to Jerusalem then you will understand that it is impossible to divide the area to insure that Jews retain control for access and security for Jews on the Temple Mount. And are you suggesting that walls go up in the Old City of Jerusalem dividing the Jewish Quarter? This cannot be done practically and will not be done. You then have the Mount of Olives cemetery, the City of David, and the Golden Gate, through which Jews have always believed the Jewish Messiah will pass through. To try and block this, Muslims started burying their dead in front of this gate believing the Jewish Messiah will not pass over the dead bodies. These are the facts on the ground that you may or may not be aware of.

          The Palestinians need to get their ducks in row. The first duck, and in their case duck means avoid, is reconciling that Jews have a long standing history on the Temple Mount. As Palestinians have never at any time in history controlled any part of Jerusalem, then they need to climb down the tree and accept special access over their impossible dream of sovereignty. Who are the Palestinians think they are? They have the audacity to think they should have sovereignty over the holiest site for Jews and the third holiest site for Islam?

        • yourstruly says:

          no reconciliation without equality and no equality without ending apartheid.

        • Talkback says:

          giladg: “What are you smoking Shmuel?”

          Asks giladg who asks for reconciliation BEFORE abolotion of the crimes of Apartheid and implies that G-d gave this land to the Jews.

          Do your insights come from drug induced conversations with a burning bush?

        • OlegR says:

          Now that didn’t go to well the Palestinian public opinion
          not did it?

          “Also Saturday during the PLO meeting, chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat resigned his position. Abbas accepted the resignation, according to The New York Times. Erekat has been part of the negotiating team for nearly 20 years.
          He reportedly resigned due to the fallout over more than 1,600 leaked internal memos detailing negotiating sessions with Israel, which indicated that Palestinian peace negotiators were willing to turn over nearly all of the Jewish neighborhoods in eastern Jerusalem and accept a shared authority of the Temple Mount. In one document, Erekat told U.S. officials that the Palestinians were giving Israel “the biggest Yerushalayim in history.”

          The documents reportedly were stolen from Erekat’s office. Erekat told Israel’s Army Radio that he is stepping down to take responsibility for the leak of the documents.”

          link to islamtimes.org

        • You cannot then come back at me and state that the issue has been resolved

          gilad, i never came back at you and said the issue had been resolved. let me remind you what you said:

          They believe all the maneuvering around the lie of apartheid and ethnic cleansing is going to get the world to crush Israel and leave the path open for them to ride in and take control of the Temple Mount. So Israel is willing to work towards a practical, sharing type of arrangement around the Temple Mount. This should be enough for the Palestinians. Do not ask the Jews to walk away from the Temple Mount.

          now who is asking the the jews to “walk away” from Haram al-Sharif? not me, this is your hasbara. you said “Israel is willing to work towards a practical, sharing type of arrangement”…well what is a proposal for “oversight of an international committee” if not “a practical, sharing type of arrangement”? did you even open the link?

          Erekat was willing to concede control over the Haram al-Sharif, or Temple Mount, to the oversight of an international committee.

          “oversight of an international committee” IS “”a practical, sharing type of arrangement” and it is much more than israel has ever suggested.

          so i never said it had been resolved, i said an alternate had been proposed. and, it was rejected by israel, outright. but you are talking in circles gilad..because out of one side of your mouth you are saying “Israel is willing to work towards a practical, sharing type of arrangement ” and from the other side of your mouth you are saying “All that a Jewish State can offer the Palestinians, regarding the Temple Mount, is religious access” AS IF, the Haram Ash-Sharif is israel’s to offer. it is not owned by israel nor recognized under international law as owned by israel, so it is simply not in israel’s power (power that is recognized) to say with any authority “All that a Jewish State can offer ” anymore than Palestinians saying the same thing to you. this is the road block, or haven’t you noticed?

          so do not lie to us about “a practical, sharing type of arrangement ” in the same breath as blathering “religious access”, because there is already ample evidence of what israel means when they say “religious access”, because that is exactly what oren claims israel provides now! what a joke! we all are quite familiar with the kind of “religious access” israel provides for the holyland, and it’s a gruesome ugly portrait.

          this is a sad historical time over the holyland and it is temporary, very temporary. israel needs to learn some lessons about the meaning of “religious access” or they will be the losers.

        • Kathleen says:

          stop building and expanding illegal settlements…now!

        • giladg says:

          Unfortunately for the Muslims (includes the Palestinians), they have shown the world how they treat Jews and how they managed Jerusalem and the access of Jews to both the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. In the 1930′s and 40′s, the world turned its back, once again, on the Jewish people. Even the US rejected the access of a single ship with refugees. There is no rational reason that you can presented that can convince a Jew to trust an “international committee”. The automatic voting block at the UN only hardens Israel’s understanding and resolve that only Israel can both lookout and safeguard Jewish interests.
          Regarding the so called admission of Erkat that the Palestinians are willing to allow an “international committee” to take control, this is a ploy to get one leg through the door. The British left with their tails between their legs after being attacked and killed. Look to Afghanistan and Iraq for more recent examples of what would happen to an “international committee” on the ground. The Palestinian plan would then be to use the forces of the Arab and Muslims armies in the region to make their move.

          Also, Erkat does not represent anyone. He has no power or influence in Palestinian society.

        • this is a ploy to get one leg through the door

          a ploy israel has used time and again.

          they have shown the world how they treat Jews

          and should the world judge jews by the way they israel has treated palestinians these last few decades? certainly this cannot be the standard by which you propose we view the future. you can’t sustain a state of permanence based on the worst of times, obviously. look at germany present day.

          There is no rational reason that you can presented that can convince a Jew to trust an “international committee”.

          all your excuses mean nothing gilad. you simply cannot comprehend the world doesn’t revolve around ‘jewish trust’. there are other factors involved. it’s simply not all up to the jews. someday you will understand that. unless you think the world should just capitulate now to all jewish demands between now and the end of time. i mean why bother even having an opinion at all if when all it said and done the final result is determined by ‘jewish trust’. you have to learn to share gilad, and if you don’t learn the others will be interceding. i do not know when but i know they will. the status quo is simply unsustainable. other people matter too, shocking as it may seem to someone with such a myopic view as yourself.

          ciao

        • ps, the zionists should never have set up camp in the holy land if they were set on dominating the religious sites of others. it just does not all belong to you. getting that thru your head sooner than later would be beneficial moving forward.

        • giladg says:

          Annie, you quoted Erkat as saying “It’s solved”. What else are you trying to imply by presenting this quote?
          And in any case, Arafat rejected the Clinton parameters. Many Jews died as a direct consequence. The Palestinians must pay a price for this mistake.

          Also, the current situation on the ground can be made a lot, lot worse than it is today. The status-quo is the best possible option, with the possibility of some improvements with a Palestinian people who are will to live in peace with Jews, and not in place of.
          I have ideas on how special access from Abu Dis can be arranged where on some days of the week, and/or at certain times, Arabs from the Judea and Samaria could access the Temple Mount without having to go through Israeli security.
          It is also in no ones interest to divide Jerusalem.

        • OlegR says:

          And yet it’s the Jews that had no access whatsoever to Jewish Holy
          sites until 1967.
          And it’s the kingdom of Jordan, an Arab and a Muslim country
          that prevented this access.

        • The Palestinians must pay a price

          oh please!

          the current situation on the ground can be made a lot, lot worse than it is today. The status-quo is the best possible option

          lol, who are you? bill kristol?

          don’t put words in my mouth, ever. i blockquoted an article, the ‘implication’ was very clear, that there were alternatives presented and the palestine papers demonstrated quite clearly they were all roundly rejected by israel who offered no other options besides submission which seems to be your ‘implication’ too. i am not responsible for every choice of phrasing for everything i have blockquoted. don’t be a dolt.

        • giladg says:

          Nothing has past the lips of any Palestinian leader that has hinted of recognition that Jews have a position on the Temple Mount (Har Habayit).
          Al Kuds, Haram are all modern terms for Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in an attempt to deflect and reject the Jewish connection.
          Is it so hard to take a position that supports a Jewish interest?

          Push the Palestinians to accept that Jews have a significant connection to the Temple Mount. Reconciliation can only occur once this happens. Jews have made their compromise. Jews have already reconciled that another religion is squatting on its holiest site. Now it is the turn of the Palestinians to compromise.
          Any alternative presented by the Palestinians can only be classified as an alternative if it has a place for Jews on their holiest site, making Erkat’s comments a waste of time.

        • And yet it’s the Jews that had no access whatsoever to Jewish Holy
          sites until 1967.

          exactly, and had someone argued that would only change as a matter of arab or palestinian ‘trust’ they would have been wrong wouldn’t they?

          oh look , from kate’s list today..the israelis are getting ready for another racist hatefest unification like they had last year on jerusalem day:

          A group of illegal Jewish settlers, accompanied by an Israeli government minister and a number of members of the Knesset (Israeli parliament), broke into the courtyards of Al-Aqsa Mosque on Thursday morning, 17 May, amid a state of alert and while being heavily guarded by Israeli occupation forces. Mahmoud Abu Atta, a spokesman for the Al-Aqsa for Endowment and Heritage Foundation, told Quds Press that a state of tension is prevailing in occupied Jerusalem after the incident. The 24 settlers, the minister and MKs, as well as journalists, made suspicious circuits of the mosque courtyards during the incursion. Mr. Abu Atta pointed out that during the next days and weeks Israeli Jews will be celebrating the forty-fifth anniversary of the occupation of Jerusalem, what they call “the unification” of the city. At this time, he said, there will be many such incursions and attacks against Al-Aqsa and other holy sites.

          shall someone link to last years video of screaming crowds shouting death to arabs or can you use your imagination?

        • OlegR says:

          /exactly, and had someone argued that would only change as a matter of arab or palestinian ‘trust’ they would have been wrong wouldn’t they?/

          No that changed only through war.
          Are you warmongering or something Annie?

          Stop with the diversions Annie :)

          The only state that guards everybody’s freedom of religion in this region
          including Jews rights as flawed sometimes as it may be is Israel.
          No other Arab country does that.

        • Blake says:

          There was a lot more to it than that OlegR and you have denied both Muslim and Christians access to their holy sites since you self declared your pariah on ancestral Palestine (incl the 2 holiest Christian sites in Christendom i.e. Holy Sepulchre and Church of the Nativity)

        • Blake says:

          OlegR: Palestine was COMPLETELY free pre-Zionist invasion and occupation and don’t you ever forget that. You must be living under a rock (read: in denial) as well because Palestinian Christians and Muslims are restricted in going to their places of worship. They had no problem pre-Zionist occupation of their land.

        • Shmuel says:

          the Golden Gate, through which Jews have always believed the Jewish Messiah will pass through. To try and block this, Muslims started burying their dead in front of this gate believing the Jewish Messiah will not pass over the dead bodies. These are the facts on the ground

          More like Judeocentric (and anti-Muslim) legends. Suleiman obviously had far more pressing reasons to close the Golden Gate, and it is highly doubtful that a cemetery was placed there intentionally – based on partial knowledge of Jewish legend regarding future, supernatural (but easily thwarted!) events.

          Your reasoning regarding the importance of the Temple Mount to Jews is not too bad, although your dismissal of Muslim needs and concerns is emblematic of the entire Zionist approach to the peace process.

          You also forgot to mention how many times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Tanakh: link to mondoweiss.net

        • RoHa says:

          “In the 1930′s and 40′s, the world turned its back, once again, on the Jewish people.”

          Rubbish. We have gone over this many times. It is simply an insult to all those who fought, suffered, and died in WW2.

          And “Once again? (Though it does seem that at various times before the 1930s some of the “Jewish People” turned their collective back on the world.)

          “There is no rational reason that you can presented that can convince a Jew to trust an “international committee”. ”

          Can you present a rational reason why the rest of the world should trust Zionist Jews? They have shown themselves to be liars, cheats, thieves, murderers, and (for non-Israeli Zionist Jews) traitors to their countries.

        • RoHa says:

          “And yet it’s the Jews that had no access whatsoever to Jewish Holy
          sites until 1967.
          And it’s the kingdom of Jordan, an Arab and a Muslim country
          that prevented this access”

          As I understand it, it was only Israeli Jews that were forbidden access.

        • giladg says:

          I saw a survey the other day where youth on a US campus where asked who Hitler was. From many answers given by students and from the comments here about the events in the 1930′s and 40′s, I am not surprised at the abundant display of ignorance on show, hey RoHa.

        • giladg says:

          “religious sites of others”? Are you saying that the Temple Mount is not a religious site for Jews? Please explain your comments?
          The Temple Mount is first and foremost a religious site for Jews and also just happens to be the most religious site for Jews.
          Your comments seem to hint otherwise. And as Jews have always maintained a presences in the holy land, unbroken for thousands of years, the notion of setting up camp is misleading.

        • RoHa says:

          “I am not surprised at the abundant display of ignorance on show, hey RoHa.”

          Not a good idea to show your ignorance of the 1930s and 40s here, gilagd.

        • RoHa says:

          “And as Jews have always maintained a presences in the holy land, unbroken for thousands of years,”

          There have been Jews in the Holy Land for thousands of years. But they were not European and American Jews.

      • bintbiba says:

        Shmuel, How do i love thee,
        Let me count the ways!

  9. Blake says:

    400 detained at Frankfurt Occupy protest

    German police temporarily detained some 400 demonstrators during largely peaceful protests by Occupy activists in Frankfurt on Friday. About 1,000 people turned out at some of the unauthorized protest rallies across the city, AP reports. Protesters erected barricades, staged sit-ins and tore down traffic signs. The protest group Blockupy plans to stage protests over the weekend. It has called for barring access to the European Central Bank. Some 5,000 police will be deployed to keep the weekend protests in check.

    link to rt.com

  10. Dr Barghouti, An excellent article/manifesto.

    Let us hope you can find a partner for non-violent change that recognizes the humanity of the palestinians and is not just thinking about the land they covet.

    It is a sorry lot you must negotiate with for your human rights, but they are the overlords.

  11. giladg, with all due respect what is the difference? please do obfuscate on for us.

    ” Widespread miss-use of this term is directed at Israel”

    Do you usually puke right after you have to repeat such dribble, does your concience have a board to resonate against, is that where the problem lies?

    If the palestinians were the jews and today would be somewhere in the 1930′s where would you best guess we be?

    Can you wax Churchillian for us?

    more prose from the heart of zion follows.

    “What are you offering Jews Mr. Barghouti?”

    You gilad. surely must be kidding?

    After all these years, that is the most humanity zion could offer the palestinians, to ask/allow them to give more, what an offer.

    So if the palestinians were the jews just how far would you go with them? what if the world wasn’t even looking, what barbarous acts might Israel commit?

    is there a limit?
    in one word or less.

    • giladg says:

      There is no room to compare the situation of the Palestinians today to that of the Jews in the 1930′s. Completely different situations. Palestinians have their Muslim brothers behind them, supporting them with their oil money and massive armies.
      The Jews were totally alone in the 1930′s.

      • RoHa says:

        “The Jews were totally alone in the 1930′s.”

        What sort of drivel is this? In the 1930 British, Australian, Canadian, South African, NZ, etc. Jews had the forces of the British Empire behind them. US Jews had the forces of the US behind them.

  12. Sue Wood says:

    @Kathleen: Popular Resistance in Palestine by Mazin Qumsiyeh tells of countless instances of non-violent resistance over the last century.