‘Do you feel more Arab or more American?’: Two women’s story of being detained and interrogated at Ben Gurion

ben gurion airport
Ben Gurion Airport

I am an American citizen. I went to American schools my entire life, graduated from an American university and work as an architect in New York City. Why was this happening to me? It all started with a simple question. “What is your father’s name?”

“Bassam.”

“Okay, please wait a few moments in the waiting room over there.”

Little did I know that my father’s Arab name would make me guilty until proven innocent. A “few moments” would turn into a 14-hour nightmare at Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv.

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Sasha Al-Sarabi and Najwa Doughman

I was hoping they wouldn’t separate me from my friend Sasha, whom I was traveling with. We had been warned about possible interrogations and security checks but were reassured that since we were both young, female professionals from New York City with American passports, it wouldn’t be a problem to enter Israel. It was going be my third visit and Sasha’s first.

Sasha was called in to be interrogated by a bleach-blonde pregnant woman and was led into a small office to the left of our waiting room. Twenty minutes passed until Sasha came out, walking quickly back to her seat.

She attempted to reassure me. “It’s going to be fine. They just want to see if we’re lying about anything.” But she was obviously flustered.

Now it was my turn.

“Najwa, come.”

- – -

“Do you feel more Arab or more American?” she asked. I had answered the ten previous questions very calmly, but with this question I looked back at the security official confused and irritated. She couldn’t have been much older than me—her business attire and stern facial expressions did not mask her youth.

“I don’t know, I feel both. Why? Does this affect my ability to get in?”

She ignored my question. “Surely you must feel a little more Arab, you’ve lived in many Middle Eastern countries.”

I did not see the correlation. I have never felt the need to choose. “Yes I have but I also lived in the US for the past seven years, and was born there, so I feel both.” My response did nothing to convince her.

“Hm. Will you go to Al-Aqsa?”

“Yeah, maybe.”

“Will you go to Jewish sites as well?”

“Yes, why not? We want to see everything.”

“But you have been here two times already. Why are you coming now for the third time? You can go to Venezuela, to Mexico, to Canada. It is much closer to New York, and much less expensive!”

I realized the conversation was going nowhere. “Right, but I wanted to come back here again. Don’t you have tourists who come back more than once?”

“I’m asking the questions here,” she replied disgruntled.

“Okay, we are going to do something very interesting now!” Her face transformed from a harsh stare to a slight smirk. She proceeded to type “www.gmail.com” on her computer and then turned the keyboard toward me. “Log in,” she demanded.

“What? Really?” I was shocked.

“Log in.”

I typed in my username and password in complete disbelief. She began her invasive search: “Israel,” “Palestine,” “West Bank,” “International Solidarity Movement.”

Looking back, I realize I shouldn’t have logged in. I should have known that nothing I did at this point would change my circumstances, and that this was an invasion of my privacy. Yet all the questions, the feeling that I had to defend myself for simply wanting to enter the country, and the unwavering eye contact of the security officers left me feeling like I had no choice. I was worried I would let Sasha down if I refused and that it would be the reason for both of our denials into the country.

She sifted through my inbox, reading every single email with those keywords. She read sentences out loud to her colleague, sarcastically reenacting and mocking old Google Chat conversations between Sasha and me about our future trip to Jerusalem. I squirmed in my seat.

The Israeli authorities have a notorious reputation for denying entry to Palestinians of all citizenships, and I had received all sorts of advice, solicited and unsolicited, on how to cope with the problem. The security officer opened an email from a friend living in Jerusalem who had advised me to remove myself from internet searches. “They are heavy on googling names at the airport recently,” he had written. “See if you can remove yourselves, not crucial but helpful.”

The security guard found this especially hilarious. With a laugh, she called her blonde colleague over and reread the sentence mockingly. “You can tell your friend, not only do we google you, we read your emails, too!”

I was beyond uncomfortable, uncertain of how else they would try to humiliate me. “Okay, I think you’ve read enough,” I said. “Is what you’re doing even legal? Can you please log out now?”

The guard became even more defensive. “You could ask me to log out, but you know what that would mean, right? Tell me to log out,” she dared me.

I was speechless. I felt completely helpless, furious, and exhausted; I was now entering my fourth hour of interrogation.

After reading several more emails, they wrote down every contact name, email, and phone number they could find. Finally, the interrogator said, “Okay you can go.” But before I could even feel the slightest sense of relief she added, “Good luck getting into Israel.”

Three more hours passed. A large bald man eventually approached us holding our passports. “Come with me,” he ordered. We walked straight across the hall to another waiting room, in front of two small offices.

“As of right now, you have been denied from entering Israel.” Despite the looming feeling I had after walking out of the interrogation room that my hours in this country were numbered, the words still stung with disappointment, frustration, and anger.

Sasha had had it. “Okay, I want a lawyer,” she said. “And I want to call the American embassy, now.”

The guard was not fazed by her requests. “Yes, yes, call whoever you want, after you do procedure.” He turned his back and walked away.

We peered into the office. A stout woman in uniform, about fifty years old, was taking pictures and fingerprints of a man sitting in front of her. Sasha was called in next. The woman told Sasha to sit in front of the camera.

“Wait, before you take my picture, can you tell me why we have to do this?” Sasha asked.

“This is procedure. This is how we do things in Israel,” the woman responded, looked back to her camera.

“You’re treating me like a criminal! I don’t want you to take my picture,” Sasha said. “We’ve already been denied. Why are you doing this?”

“You will take a picture and then wait in a facility until your flight.”

Sasha was persistent. “What facility? Our flight is in nine days! Why were we denied? We need to call the embassy now!”

“You will call after you take your picture. I don’t know why you were denied. My job is just to do procedure. When I go to America, the same happens to me. I get denied from America,” claimed the woman.

“No,” replied Sasha, “No, you don’t.”

After our pictures were taken, we officially felt like criminals. It didn’t help that two new female guards were now assigned to watch us at all times. The most humiliating thing was each guard couldn’t have been more than twenty years old. Everywhere we went, they were right behind us. Even when Sasha went to the restroom, the security guard went with her. After about 30 minutes, six more security guards surrounded us to walk us to another room across the airport. It was as if all the shepherds had come to herd two small sheep.

We had not committed any crime. Our only sin was being born to Arab parents. It was then that we realized what a sheltered life we had lived. We had always read about racial profiling and heard accounts from family members and friends in college. We always sympathized and were infuriated by it, but never had we felt it first hand.

Sasha and I paced back and forth with anxiety while we were made to wait in the hallway. At one point I turned my head and noticed the female guards pointing at our attire and admiring Sasha’s pants. It hit me then, for the first time, that these guards were actually young girls, interested in fashion and trends, like we were. Under different circumstances, could we have actually been friends?

They led us into the next room, which was painted white and had an intimidating, large “Explosive Detection” machine. The guards proceeded to open our luggage. They picked through every single piece of clothing and every tube of makeup. They inspected my laptop and Sasha’s iPad, wiped each item with a cloth, and ran them through the machine. They x-rayed and scanned everything—twice.

After they had gone through every one of our belongings, they proceeded to the body search. I was taken to the back of the room with one male and two female security officers. The room was smaller and closed off with a curtain. The older woman seemed to be training the younger one. She would murmur directions in Hebrew as the younger officer patted me in different places. The man stood right outside the half-open curtain. They scanned my body with a metal detector, and it beeped at the button on my jeans. “Take off your pants,” said the older officer immediately.

I lost my last nerve. “NO,” I responded. “We’ve already been denied. You searched everything. Why do I need to take my pants off after you’ve denied me? I will not take my pants off.”

“This is how we do things in Israel,” the woman snapped back. “You have to take them off.”

“And if I don’t?”

“Then someone will make you.” They all walked out of the room.

I began crying and shaking as my mind went through a million different nightmares. Were they going to get more people to hold me down? What the hell is going to happen to us? I wanted to see Sasha and not be alone for a minute longer, but was too afraid of the consequences of leaving the room.

The guards returned a few minutes later with shorts taken from my luggage. “Fine,” they said. “Wear these.”

I struggled into them with tears streaming down my face. I stood ashamed and mortified as she patted me down all over again. I had never felt so humiliated, so degraded, and so violated.

Once my “security search” was over, I changed back into my jeans and returned to the white room. It was Sasha’s turn to be searched.

When this was over, two men from immigration services approached us holding our passports.

“Now you will be taken to a facility.”

“A facility? You mean a jail? Are we arrested? How long are we going to be there?”

“This is not jail. It’s a facility. This is where everybody goes that is denied entry from the State of Israel.”

They took all of our luggage and our phones and drove us about five minutes away from the airport to a gated, white building. All of the windows had double bars on them, and none of the doors had doorknobs. We walked through the dark halls and passed by open rooms filled with bunk beds.

“You can call your parents from my phone, not yours. Leave your phones here. But if it is an international call, use yours. Your flight back is at 8 am tomorrow morning.”

We called our parents, and he took us to our room on the second floor. Inside were ten bunk beds, four sleeping women, a sink, a bathroom, and a shower.

We both stared at the beds for a minute before lying down. The mattresses looked like they were made of duct tape, the room smelled of urine, and there was a grey, furry sheet on each bed. We folded my sweater in half to use as a pillow, and lay in the three-foot-wide bed together, looking up at the bottom of the bunk above us. “FREE PALESTINE, I Shall Return—Maryam 2006” and “21 Gaza Peace Activists detained” were scribbled on the wood. Reading those sentences over and over gave me an odd sense of peace, and we drifted into a restless sleep.

At about 5 am, the guard came to wake the Spanish woman in the bed beside ours. “Wash your face,” he told her. She sprung up, splashed water on her face, and waited for him to come back and unlock the door. We sat up anxiously in the bed waiting for our turn to leave.

At 6:15, a guard came and told us that the US embassy was phoning for us. My parents had called them from Virginia after our two-minute conversation to inform them of what was happening. Sasha answered the phone. “Oh, thank God, we’ve been trying to get in touch with you! This is Sasha. We’ve been through a lot the past few hours.”

“As I told your friend’s parents yesterday, there is really nothing we can do. I’m just glad that you’re going to be able to get on the next flight.” the woman said dispassionately.

“This is ridiculous. They went through my friend’s email. Is that legal?”

“Well, they can do whatever they want. There is nothing we can do. They are their own country, and they make their own rules.”

“If only you could see the conditions we are in. I just wish you could come and smell the room.”

“Oh, I’m really sorry, but at least you’ll be getting on the next flight,” her voice was annoyingly monotonous.

“I can’t believe we are funding this system. I understand the special relationship between America and Israel, but there is clearly something wrong with the way we are being treated”.

“Well, there’s a lot of things wrong with a lot of systems.” She clearly wasn’t going to help us.

“You are right. We should all just sit here and be complacent like you. Well, thanks for your call.” And Sasha hung up.

We had been desperately waiting for this call, and the amount of frustration we felt after receiving it was overwhelming. We had demanded over and over to be able to talk to the American embassy, hoping that being American would give us some sort of protection or a little sense of security. There is no difference between every citizen in America, we thought naively. Surely the US Embassy would rescue us and demand that we be treated like human beings. Surely they would reprimand the Israelis for their appalling practices and demand that they act like the democracy they claim to be.

If we were two American citizens in a Syrian or Iranian “facility,” would the American embassy’s reaction be the same? Would Obama himself not have made a statement by now, demanding our release? If we were Americans of Polish or Chinese descent, would we have been treated this way? American citizens are usually given a three-month visa upon arrival. Why were we an exception? There are a lot of things wrong with a lot of systems, but when we are funding one with billions of our tax dollars, this means that we are supporting it.

An hour later, which seemed like an eternity, the guard showed up. It was now 7:30 am, which was only thirty minutes before our flight. This turned out to be no problem, as we were driven straight to the steps of the airplane. Our passports were given to the captain of the Air France flight. When we arrived in France, three policemen waited for us at the door of the plane, took our passports from the captain, and led us down the stairs of the airplane straight into their police car.

“Does this happen often?” Sasha asked.

“Every day,” replied the officer.

About Najwa Doughman and Sasha Al-Sarabi

Najwa Doughman, 25, graduated from the University of Virginia in 2009 and currently works as an architect in New York City. Sasha Al-Sarabi, 24, graduated from the University of Virginia in 2010. She currently works in finance in New York City.
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  1. Ellen says:

    That is horrifying.

    Speechless.

    • it is so shameful the holyland is under the jurisdiction of this horrendous apartheid government. how different things might have been had jerusalem been under the jurisdiction of the UN. shame shame shame.

      • Kathleen says:

        If only we could get close to that original agreement that they all knew the Palestinians would reject then.

        • Hostage says:

          If only we could get close to that original agreement that they all knew the Palestinians would reject then.

          The United States didn’t reject it and consular protections were explicitly covered. Let’s review that together. Our Jerusalem Consular staff flatly refused to allow the deportation of US citizens on the basis of race or religion during the Ottoman era. The US government asserted its right to exercise in personam jurisdiction under the Capitulations:

          Though Jews belonging to other nationalities have been expelled from Jerusalem and Palestine, no American citizen has been expelled during my connection with this consulate. In all communications with the local authorities I have invariably and decidedly held the position that I could in no wise consent, much less render aid to expel from Palestine citizens of the United States who are Jews; that a fundamental principle of our Government was involved, which positively forbids any ‘discrimination made for or against American citizens on account of their race or religion.

          link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu

          FYI, in personam jurisdiction allows Israeli citizens to take their country’s laws and immunities with them whenever they decide to settle in the occupied Palestinian territories.

          Article 28 of the Treaty of Lausanne abolished the Capitulations in Turkey.

          Article 8 of the Palestine Mandate (and the Anglo-American Palestine Mandate Convention) provided that US rights and immunities under the Ottoman era Capitulations in Palestine would only be suspended during the term of the mandate, but would immediately be re-established in their entirety at the expiration of the mandate. link to avalon.law.yale.edu

          The United States refused to recognize the jurisdiction of the British Courts of Palestine after the San Remo Conference in April 1920, because the terms of the draft Mandate and the Anglo-American Convention had not been ratified. Here is an example of our Consular staff in action during that period on behalf of a would-be Jewish terrorist:

          SIR: I have the honor to state that on or about August 3, 1921, the Palestine police arrested at the town of Ludd, Palestine, an American citizen named Abraham Chaikin. Mr. Chaikin was charged with carrying a revolver contrary to local law and was tried and sentenced by the District Governor at Ramleh to imprisonment for thirty days.

          In accordance with standing instructions this Consulate demanded a week later when informed of the occurrence that Mr. Chaikin be turned over to it for trial in the American Consular Court in accordance with the Capitulations.

          link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu

          Under the existing treaties the US had the right to operate its own consular courts separate from Great Britain’s courts in Palestine.
          link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu

          When Great Britain proposed to grant independence to Transjordan in 1946, the US government reserved its right to automatically resume its rights under the Capitulations in the future in line with its own policy considerations:

          6. The United States would automatically resume the right to exercise the capitulatory privileges formerly conceded by the Ottoman Government, upon termination of the Mandate, under Article 8 thereof. The United States would be extremely reluctant to resume these capitulatory rights, however, since such a retrogressive step would be contrary to the spirit of our present policy.

          link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu

          UN General Assembly Resolution 181(II) terminated the Palestine Mandate, which triggered the provisions of Article 8 thereof. The General Assembly implicitly acknowledged that states had the automatic right to immediately re-establish their rights and immunities under the Capitulations:

          PART IV Capitulations

          States whose nationals have in the past enjoyed in Palestine the privileges and immunities of foreigners, including the benefits of consular jurisdiction and protection, as formerly enjoyed by capitulation or usage in the Ottoman Empire, are invited to renounce any right pertaining to them to the reestablishment of such privileges and immunities in the proposed Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem.

          link to yale.edu
          link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu

          Because it disputes the legal status of those territories, Israel claims the right to ignore the prohibition against transferring portions of its own population into the occupied territory and asserts the right to retain in personam jurisdiction over its citizens in Palestine and Jerusalem. The US certainly has adequate ground for disputing that status and retaining the rights and immunities of its citizens in Israel, Palestine, and Jerusalem.

        • Daniel Rich says:

          @ Hastage,

          Thanks. Your thorough research and provided links are appreciated.

        • Hostage says:

          The whole exercise is an illustration of the point made by the late Tony Judt. In many respects Israeli society is an anachronism. It’s still functioning on the level of the 19th Century failed Ottoman state and it is dragging the rest of us down to its level.

          The Ottoman’s have vanished from the scene. Modern-day Turkey only recognizes civil marriage, while Israel desperately re-jiggers the millet system in order to cling to its racist doctrines. It wastes its vital resources and energy on finding ways to humiliate others like these US citizens. That need to humiliate others extends to fellow Jews, i.e. See Haaretz “For first time, Israel to recognize Reform and Conservative rabbis: State to support salaries of non-Orthodox rabbis; ‘rabbis of non-Orthodox communities’ will not have authority over religious and halakhic matters. Financing will be the responsibility of the Culture and Sports Ministry and not the Religious Services Ministry.” link to haaretz.com

          Lord Curzon noted that the text of the British Mandate engaged in semantics to conceal the presence of the Arab majority: “Even the poor Arabs are only allowed to look through the keyhole as a non-Jewish community.” Here is the latest example these Rabbis aren’t even “Jewish” community leaders:

          In negotiations held out of court, the state agreed to recognize the non-Orthodox rabbis, but refused to recognize their rabbinates. The State offered to call them “community leaders.” About three weeks ago, the panel of judges led by Supreme Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein requested the intervention of Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein, who agreed to recognize the terminology “rabbi of a non-Orthodox community.”

          The State held that the deal on Reform and Conservative rabbis will not be made via the religious council and will not be done via direct employment by the local authorities, rather via financial assistance. The Reform movement agreed to this. Financing will be the responsibility of the Culture and Sports Ministry and not the Religious Services Ministry.

          In sports terms, it looks like they accepted a bribe to throw the fight.

          The Russell Tribunal noted the similarity of the Oslo Accords to the old system of Capitulations and the fact that the world has moved-on from colonialism and that sort of national exceptionalism. After 110 years of waiting, the status of our Palestinian equals, and fellow human beings, can’t be more humiliation and apartheid pending pie-in-the-sky negotiations:

          Certain provisions of the Interim Agreement, expressing the Israeli positions, are clearly violations of international law. The recognition of the Palestinian competence in “the Occupied Territories”, despite recognised territorial integrity, is undermined in several clauses. The Palestinian Authority can only exert jurisdiction by attribution. Israel continues to exert competence which has not been expressly transferred, thus in breach of the international law of decolonisation accepted by the United Nations. Moreover, the Israeli citizens residing in Palestine do not fall within Palestinian jurisdiction. This recalls the distressing “capitulations” that certain European states imposed on defeated states in the 19th century. This provision is all the more contrary to contemporary international law because it contains the germ of conflict and domination since all the Israeli colonies are not dismantled. From this point of view, by not putting any clear end to colonisation and by not accepting Palestinian jurisdiction on the Israeli residents, Israel violates an essential element of the Palestinian peoples’ right to self-determination violates by preventing it from availing of all its land and by placing its citizens above Palestinian law.

          link to bdsmovement.net

        • Kathleen says:

          Hostage interesting but my original point was that Zionist and many at the UN who helped create Israel more than likely knew that Palestinians forced, threatened, some killed…off their lands would reject this agreement from the beginning.

        • Hostage says:

          my original point was that Zionist and many at the UN who helped create Israel more than likely knew that Palestinians forced, threatened, some killed…off their lands would reject this agreement from the beginning.

          Of course. That’s why the General Assembly proposed an arbitrated “settlement”. It hoped to avert further acts of violence and bloodshed and asked the Security Council to consent to the plan envisioned in the settlement and treat any attempt to alter it by force as an act of aggression.

          The Arabs and Jews had already been killing one another for a long, long, time before the UN was asked to recommend a solution. The leaders on both sides had advised that further negotiation was a waste of time and that the only reasonable course of action was to impose a solution on the other party by force. In this case everyone admitted the UN was competent to terminate the mandate and impose solutions on the other parties.

          Courts enter summary judgments to enforce arbitrated settlements everyday, whether the parties are complying with the terms or not. The Security Council refused to do that in the Palestine case on Charter grounds. In subsequent disputes involving mandate era boundaries, the Security Council intervened and imposed a solution and no such objections were raised, e.g. Iraq-Kuwait.

          Its a mistaken view under the circumstances to think that the General Assembly’s proposal was the primary source of the problem. The main problem was that both sides intended to use force to overturn any settlement that was not to their complete satisfaction and the Security Council was hopelessly divided and could not take effective action as a result.

        • American says:

          In many respects Israeli society is an anachronism. It’s still functioning on the level of the 19th Century failed Ottoman state and it is dragging the rest of us down to its level. “…Hostage

          They are a primitive cult……there’s no other way to describe it. Never evolved from the days of tribal hordes.

        • @Hostage

          “Here is an example of our Consular staff in action during that period on behalf of a would-be Jewish terrorist….Abraham Chaikin”

          Hostage. Why do you presume Mr. Chaikin, zt’l, was a ‘would be terrorist’. Your being presumptuous.
          Maybe Chaiken was just carrying a firearm for self protection.

          Please tell us all the terror attacks perpetrated by Jews against Arabs in 1920′s Palestine.

          I’m begging you.

        • Hostage says:

          Hostage. Why do you presume Mr. Chaikin, zt’l, was a ‘would be terrorist’. . . .I’m begging you.

          pudzionist that remark was sarcasm. The performance of our consulate staff in years gone by was superior in every respect to the job they are doing protecting travelers today in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv:
          *Back then, our citizens were sprung from jails, despite the fact that they were accused of crimes, like carrying an illegal firearm. The ladies that you deported in these stories were advocates of justice and peace who did nothing wrong.
          *Back then, our consulate would not permit our allies to deport our citizens on the basis of race or religion. Today your Interior officials, like Eli Yishai, display their racism openly and publicly as if it’s a badge of honor.

        • @Hostage

          I don’t know if these young ladies can be considered deportees. They were in transit in BG Airport, and hadn’t been residents in the State, temporary or otherwise.

          BTW, as you well know, the Mandatory Administration deported whole groups of people because of their political beliefs i.e., the Bolshevik leaning
          Poale Zion Smol and the Templars, to name a few.

          Your argument, like your sense of humor, is flat.

        • Hostage says:

          Please tell us all the terror attacks perpetrated by Jews against Arabs in 1920′s Palestine.

          I’ve posted on the topic in the past, e.g. link to mondoweiss.net

          You could also pick-up a book by Israel Prize winner Anita Shapira, “Land and Power: The Zionist Resort to Force, 1881-1948 and start reading about your fractured fairy tale and the origins of your misplaced sense of righteousness and hereditary entitlement. “The Arab Problem” starts on page 40 after a preliminary overview of the thoughts of the early leaders of the movement.

        • Hostage says:

          I don’t know if these young ladies can be considered deportees. They were in transit in BG Airport, and hadn’t been residents in the State, temporary or otherwise.

          I’ll add that to the long list of other topics you’re not sure about. Deportation is the removal or expulsion of undesirable aliens from a country. Residency isn’t necessarily a relevant factor. For example, the nice Nobel Prize Laureate from Ireland, who is mentioned in the CNN article that I cited earlier, was denied entry to Israel, detained, and given a deportation hearing despite the fact that she was merely “in transit”.

          BTW, as you well know, the Mandatory Administration deported whole groups of people because of their political beliefs i.e., the Bolshevik leaning
          Poale Zion Smol and the Templars, to name a few.

          The Mandatory government had collective punishment laws, concentration camps, employed torture, and summary executions. It did a lot of other things that were subsequently prohibited under international law too. Those prohibitions apply to all of us, not just Israel.

          Deportation doesn’t apply to the citizens of a country, unless they’re denaturalized first, like John Demjanjuk. That is still permitted in cases where: 1) the original naturalization was obtained through falsification or concealment; 2) the naturalized person is a member of a subversive organization; or 3) a dishonorable military discharge is given to a naturalized immigrant who initially enter the country to serve in the military.

          The Germans were at war with Great Britain, so the Templars were treated as enemy aliens during that conflict. There were a number of subversive Zionist groups, like the Irgun, who declared war on the Mandatory government. Deportation or forced exile of indigenous Jews and Arabs would not be considered legal by today’s standards.

        • @Hostage

          Unless you can prove otherwise with something more than a conclusory statement, I continue to believe that the young women were denied entry, and not deported.

          I similarly maintain that there was no Jewish terror against Arabs during the 1920′s. I’ve read your link and read Anita Shapira as well and find I think you are talking out of your hat.

          I know that you about to declare this thread ‘stale’,but please, please tell us all the terror attacks perpetrated by Jews against Arabs in 1920′s Palestine.

          I’m on my knees begging you.

        • @Hostage

          That ‘nice Nobel Prize Laureate from Ireland’ was denied entry to Israel because she willfully violated a 10 year travel ban to Israel that the Israeli government had imposed on her for being part of the Gaza flotilla.

        • seafoid says:

          PZ

          Is Gaza part of Israel? Yes or no.

        • andrew r says:

          she willfully violated a 10 year travel ban to Israel that the Israeli government had imposed on her for being part of the Gaza flotilla.

          That’s mind-boggling. Is Gaza part of Israel or not? Make up your mind.

        • @Hostage

          According to the United States Embassy, there is a distinction between denied entry and deportation.

          link to london.usembassy.gov

          Again, Hostage, you’ve shortchanged us.

        • pz is obsessed w/winning this argument. he’ll proly be here til the bitter end defending his lil racist apartheid state. it’s because this thread has had over 26 thousand shares this week… he’s clutching onto the slippery slick hasbara handle that’s sliding right out of his grasp. will he give up?? heck no!

          Again, Hostage, you’ve shortchanged us.

          AAAAAHHHHHHHHH! not on a saturday,say it isn’t so.

        • Hostage says:

          That ‘nice Nobel Prize Laureate from Ireland’ was denied entry to Israel because she willfully violated a 10 year travel ban to Israel
          @proudzionist777
          CNN, the US State Department, and the Government of Israel described the procedure used against the flotilla members as arrest and deportation.
          link to travel.state.gov.
          link to israelemb.org

        • Hostage says:

          @Hostage . . . Unless you can prove otherwise with something more than a conclusory statement, I continue to believe that the young women were denied entry, and not deported.

          Pudzionclown nobody cares what you wish to believe. The readers can make up their own minds based upon the facts. This is just the continuation of Israel’s announced policy of denying entry, detaining, and deport people it believes are Palestinian solidarity activists:

          Israel begins deporting ‘fly-in’ activists
          July 10, 2011
          JERUSALEM (JTA) — Israel began deporting pro-Palestinian protesters who flew into Ben Gurion International Airport to attend protests and activities in the West Bank.

          Some 118 protesters arrived over the weekend at Israel’s airport. As many as 200 protesters had been prevented from boarding planes to Israel on July 8 by airport authorities in Paris, Berlin, Geneva and other cities who used lists of potential protesters compiled by Israeli police from social media sites.

          link to jta.org

        • Hostage says:

          According to the United States Embassy, there is a distinction between denied entry and deportation.

          @ pudzionista I’ve mentioned several times that these women were 1) denied entry, 2) detained, and 3) deported.

          The forms mentioned in the section on denial of entry that you cited can be issued to persons who have never been removed from the United States against their will. For example, people who apply for a visa at a US Consulate overseas can be denied entry if they don’t have an affidavit of support, previous employment in the US, or enough funds to pay for their stay:

          8 USC § 1182 Inadmissible Aliens
          (a) Classes of aliens ineligible for visas or admission
          Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, aliens who are inadmissible under the following paragraphs are ineligible to receive visas and ineligible to be admitted to the United States:
          (4) Public charge
          (A) In general
          Any alien who, in the opinion of the consular officer at the time of application for a visa, or in the opinion of the Attorney General at the time of application for admission or adjustment of status, is likely at any time to become a public charge is inadmissible.
          link to law.cornell.edu

          Israel denied entry to travelers on the Fly-In by placing their names on a no-fly list, but it also denied entry, detained, and deported the travelers who arrived at Ben Gurion with plans to visit the West Bank.

        • I’m not obsessed. It just takes me a lot of time to follow up and read Hostage’s links and references. Also, if I was obsessed, I would be posting more often. As often as…..?

          Some people think they can get over by just dumping ‘too much information’ on a thread ( hoping nobody takes the time to read it all), and than moving on.

          I am not obsessed with defending Israel. I am obsessed with discovering the truth about the Israel-Arab conflict, if only because I intend to move there shortly.

          In closing, I think it was Benny Morris who said, ‘Much of what has been said about the Jews over the ages has been lies and much of what is being said about Israel now is also lies’.

        • Hostage says:

          Some people think they can get over by just dumping ‘too much information’ on a thread ( hoping nobody takes the time to read it all), and than moving on.

          Most ordinary readers grasped the situation after the first pass through the CNN article. Let’s try this again. The CNN article about Mairead Maguire says;
          *”An Israeli court will hold a deportation hearing Friday”
          The article also explains that Maguire
          *”was refused entry into Israel on Tuesday”;
          *”was detained this week when she tried to visit the Jewish state and the Palestinian territories.”
          link to articles.cnn.com

          Here’s another article on the Fly-In which says that:
          *Some activists refused to talk to investigators and only presented their passports;
          *Four activists from Germany and Holland were released and permitted to enter Israel after they pledged not to participate in violent protest activities;
          *a number of ‘fly-in’ activists succeeded in entering Israel and participated demonstrations at the Qalandiya checkpoint and in East Jerusalem.
          *120 foreign activists were still being held at detention facilities; and
          *”Immigration and Population Authority officials told Haaretz on Saturday evening that all foreign pro-Palestinian ‘fly-in’ activists who were refused entry into Israel over the past few days would be deported back to their home countries within 48 hours.”
          link to haaretz.com

          Both the US State Department, and the Government of Israel described the procedure used against the flotilla members captured at sea as arrest and deportation.
          link to travel.state.gov
          link to israelemb.org

          You and Fredblogs have both vapor locked while delivering explanations about these articles. They indicate that non-residents have been arrested and given deportation hearings and that some activist have even been allowed entry to the country after they pledged that they were non-violent. Nobody here has been talking about cases of people who were denied visas at a consulate; or cases of people who were not detained or agreed to leave a country voluntarily.

        • The large bald man told the Pal gals, “As of right now, you have been denied from entering Israel.” Maybe they were deported, maybe not. I believe that deportation requires due process and denial of entry usually does not. That was my point.
          So your nice Irish Noble laureate had a hearing and was deported.

          I am sure deportation has a legal meaning as well as a layman’s meaning and the could be confused.

          That said, I’d still like to hear about the Jews terrorists who operated against Palestinian Arabs during the 1920′s.

          BTW. I’ve just finished reading Barbara Smith’s book, Roots of Separation. Now it’s your turn to read Professor Jacob Metzer’s book, ‘The Divided Economy of Mandatory Palestine.

      • Ellen says:

        These young women could be my daughters. They are really young and were for the first time confronted with the use of power to harm and humiliate just because of their names.

        They were in waaaaaay over their head and tried to cooperate, which gave the goons more room to degrade them.

        This is not the first instance of American women with similar family names thoroughly degraded by Israeli officials. Wasn’t it just last year that the president (or provost?) of the University of Miami also went through something similar ? She too, was ordered to strip off all her clothes?

        Formal complaints must be made through the State Department. And until this stops, State must be required to include the likelyhood of harassment and humiliation, and detainment in it’s travel warning for Israel. Enough calls and letters to Congress can make that happen.

        Side story: son, same age as the girls, had a similar incident at a border crossing when traveling with his college friend (also of Va) who is an American of a Palistinian family. They were detained for hours and humiliated. I do not think the whole story was ever shared, but they were shaken up.

        The irony is they were on their way to visit their other VA roomate and freind, who is Israeli and on break from the IDF, for their ” peace and love trip.”

    • Citizen says:

      I’m so fucking mad I could die. I pay for this? Americans have died and sacrificed so much–for this? If I were god I would immediately cancel all cash, loan guarantees, interest, and diplomatic cover favoring Israel. Let it go swim or sink in the waters it has made.

    • Blake says:

      It’s not the best place to go as a western goy – speaking from personal experience – but I cannot imagine what it will be like for a Muslim or Christian native Palestinian exiled from their land.

    • Charon says:

      Just read this. Also horrified. Also speechless.

  2. HarryLaw says:

    This story is incredible but it would appear the US Embassy was not involved on this occasion, I would like to know why, the State dept would be forced to make it clear to any US visitors to Israel, who may have Arab relations of friends or even Arab sounding names that they could be harassed, intimidated and abused, let the State dept make this official, as far as Sandra Tamari is concerned on yesterday’s post I’d like to see her get Lawyered up and go in both feet down the middle and sue Clinton for discrimination, imagine what Shurat Hadin or the ADL would do, they would clean out the State dept financially.

    • I have a little experience with the attitude of the US Consul toward its citizens who are snagged by Israel. It’s basically hands-off. I’m paraphrasing but, the response is “We have no authority here.” This seems to be true for US citizens of any kind — it’s not about having an Arabic name in your family history.

      This differs from the Canadians, who, while our government is currently friendlier than the US, actually do their job effectively. It’s in complete contrast to the Irish, who’s ambassador shows up at the jail. Of course, the Irish have a stronger tradition of empathy toward prisoners.

      This is another example of the US being led around on a nose ring like a prize bull.

      Mondoweiss does an incredible job getting these stories on the screen — but this one in particular has all of the ingredients to outrage almost any American. I wish it could have wider exposure.

    • MLE says:

      To be fair, the US embassy very rarely does anything unless you have some strategic interest to them. They’re also much more inclined to side with the government if you’re in a country thats deemed a strategic interest.

      So unless you come from a well connected family (or a family who has the ability to start up a media frenzy), or you’re in a country where the US isn’t worried about protecting other interests, they’re really just going to say, “well that’s too bad, isn’t it?”

      I might try to go to Israel for the sole purpose of annoying them. I forgot my password, maybe it’s fuckoffyoushit? A suitcase full of norm finklestein books? If they insist on making me strip, I could just write offensive things on my body with sharpees. There should be a campaign of people just flying in regularly, knowing they’ll be turned away, but just to clog up the security system (also- acquire israeli legal counsel in regards before flying, simply so you can say- I suggest contacting my lawyer in tel aviv before you get me to answer questions). If they get off on harassing you, then nothing kills it more than having you just smirk back at them.

  3. annie bis says:

    I am speechless but not surprised.
    These people are sick.
    How can they heal ?
    They do everything to be detested then they cry about it and get deeper and deeper into their paranoia.

    • American says:

      “These people are sick.
      How can they heal ? “…annie bis

      Bad news. They can’t.
      Not without some tremendous kind of shock treatment.
      It’s too pervasive in their government and society to be turned around any other way.

      • seafoid says:

        “Bad news. They can’t”

        Their standard of living depends on it
        Very hard to expect internal change in that sort of scenario.

    • These people are sick.
      How can they heal ?

      At this point, I no longer care whether they heal or perish. I just don’t want my country or my tax dollars to be any part of it. There comes a time when all good men must say: “enough”!

      No more of their sayanim in my land.
      No more of their treasonous pols in my government.
      No more cash to them from my labor.
      No more vetoes in the UN in my name.

      I f you are going to be evil, go do it without my support.
      May your god have mercy on your souls.

      • Sumud says:

        CloakAndDagger – glad you mentioned the US UN SC veto – that is the critical issue as I see it; when that ends Israel, will feel the full force of international law and will be forced to change it’s behaviour.

        If I were American I would make ending the veto the centrepiece of a campaign.

      • “At this point, I no longer care whether they heal or perish.”

        Exactly. Couldn’t put it better. A dog has better morals.

  4. seafoid says:

    “I had never felt so humiliated, so degraded, and so violated.”

    That is the point. So humiliated that you never want to go back. That’s what they did to Maysoon Zayid

    link to youtube.com

    It is only going to get worse as Zionism becomes more isolated and drives deeper into extremism. They know they are losing the arguments and slowly losing the goys on whose support Israel’s future depends .

    This is for all Zionists everywhere

    • Kathleen says:

      Hedy Epstein too
      link to youtube.com

      wondering if there is documented long list of Americans and others who are being turned away by the Israeli government? This list is growing growing

      • seafoid says:

        I see from the above that the vistors were asked to log into gmail. Is google co-operating with Israel? Is it a case of do no evil (except for Zionism) ?

    • Shingo says:

      That is the point. So humiliated that you never want to go back. That’s what they did to Maysoon Zayid

      It makes you wonder how they even have a tourist industry. This makes the dealing the TSA look like going for a massage at a health spa.

  5. The smug arrogance of these woefully badly educated and moronic guards is indicative of so much about Israel. That question, about whether you feel Arab or American, is profoundly revealing about a mindset which has no comprehension of the plural identities most people inherit, and one which is particularly appropriate, and welcome, in America. These poor ideologues, with their separatist education, have no idea of culture or society in the modern world, but have built a fantasy monoculture to preserve their supremacist rights. Welcome to israel, the home of apartheid, prejudice, racism and experts in the degradation of human beings who are not born to the correct parents. And a place whose policies the so-called democratic and free US supports without question. Bad enough for visitors of the wrong sort (anybody non white Western -even though the original inhabitants of Israel, whether Jewish or not, are not in this category either), but imagine this every single day of your life if you are Palestinian. They have turned humiliation and degradation of people into a fine art, practiced with a smirk of supremacy and power complex of unbridled cruelty. What a legacy, and what a perversion of their history, a disgrace to their ancestors.

    • seafoid says:

      Exactly. They see the world in binary terms. Jewish or goy , Zionist or Amalek .There is no room for nuance. And the world is about nuance.

      What a dumb question- “do you feel more Arab or American”

  6. When I went to Israel ten years ago, I was asked 3 times at Frankfurt and again at Tel Aviv airport: “Why do you want to go to Israel?”

    I always replied: “I’m a sociologist and want to study the Haredim.”
    They: “Why do you want to study the Haredim?”
    I said: “They are interesting people and there are so few Haredim in Germany.

    At Tel Aviv airport, they kept me waitinig for 1/2 hour to check something, then let me pass. They probably thought I was just nuts (after all I’m German).

    • Blake says:

      It’s a very intimidating experience I must admit and they keep repeating it’s for your own security. My ordeal was more at leaving than on arrival though.

      Readers may be interested in this Palestinian movie which starts off a bit like the experience of the 2 ladies who wrote this article:
      Salt of This Sea (Milh Hadha al-Bahr) \ ملح هذا البحر 2008

    • Mooser says:

      Klaus, you are (not that it is much of an accomplishment) a braver man than me. I decided over 30 years ago I would never set foot in the place. Israel scares me to death.

  7. Kathleen says:

    ““I can’t believe we are funding this system. I understand the special relationship between America and Israel, but there is clearly something wrong with the way we are being treated”.

    Apartheid

    This is insane. Israel is going to become a prison for Israeli’s. When countries around the world start stopping Israeli’s from entering based on Israel being an apartheid state.

    Najwa and Sasha who are your Reps? We should all be contacting them as well as the Dept of Justice. and human rights organizations. Document, document, document.

    Wondering what people can do before they take trips to Israel which would help document the apartheid methods being used.

    • Citizen says:

      Kathleen, yes, who are Najwa and Sasha’s US reps in congress? Give us the data & we will link this site, and say in proper nice English, WTHF?

      • Ellen says:

        Could it be Congressman Michael Grimm? He has good staff, and will likely be receptive to their story, but he has already been bought by the lobby. But worth a try…..

        Whoever the Congressional representative, they are in a position to get State to respond to the ongoing harassment.

    • “Apartheid”
      If even that!! Apartheid is nothing in comparison to what’s in store. A slow ride to an exclusive Jewish state ridden of all its Palestinian citizens. It’s only a matter of time.

      • Transfer in Israel: Who and to Where?
        by Uri Avnery
        “This explains the otherwise curious fact: the Zionist movement has never given a clear answer to its most basic question: how to create a Jewish state in a country inhabited by another people. This question has remained unresolved to this very day.

        But only seemingly. Hidden somewhere underneath it all, on the fringes of the collective consciousness, Zionism always had an answer. It is so self-evident, that there was no need to think about it. Only few had the courage to express it openly. It is imprinted on the “genetic code” of the Zionist movement, so to speak, and its daughter, the State of Israel.

        This code says: a Jewish State in all the Land of Israel. And therefore: total opposition to the creation of a Palestinian state – at any time, anywhere in the country, at all costs.

        When a strategist plans a war, he first of all defines its aim. That is the Main Effort. Every other effort must be considered accordingly. If it supports the main effort, it is acceptable. If it hurts the main effort, it must be rejected.

        The Main Effort of the Zionist/Israeli movement is to achieve a Jewish State in all of Eretz Israel – the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. In other words: the prevention of an Arab Palestinian state.

        When one grasps this, all the events of the last 115 years make sense. All the twists and turns, all the seeming contradictions and deviations, all the curious-looking decisions make perfect sense.

        In a bird’s eye view, the Zionist-Israeli policy looks like a river striving towards the sea. When it meets an obstacle, it goes around it. The path deviates to the right and to the left, sometimes even going backwards. But it perseveres with a wondrous determination towards its goal.

        The guiding principle was to accept every compromise that gives us what we can get at any stage, but never let the final aim out of our sight.

        This policy allows us to compromise about everything, except one: an Arab Palestinian state that would confirm the existence of an Arab Palestinian people.”
        link to tikkun.org

        • MHughes976 says:

          The idea that the Palestinian people doesn’t exist is a way of saying that the individuals who would make up that people have, according to the defining principle of Zionism, no right to be in Palestine unless by the generosity of the true heirs. So nothing can happen that makes it look as if they actually have the right that they falsely claim.
          I’m not sure about a final frontier on the Jordan. The Herodian Kingdom extended beyond the Jordan and surely needs to be reclaimed in full.

    • Mooser says:

      “This is insane. Israel is going to become a prison for Israeli’s.”

      I wish you guys would take me more seriously (well, I wish I could take me more seriously, but let it go) when I keep saying that Jews were always intended to be the primary victims of Zionism. Of course, the Palestinians are suffering more in all terms, but the primary aim was to force Jews back into a ghetto system which was dissolving all over the world. Of course, if Judaism thinks it needs the things Zionism gives it, we are so screwed.

  8. Cliff says:

    Disgusting. Unsurprising though.

    I knew how the story would end. Typical Israeli bureaucracy (banality of evil).

  9. Kathleen says:

    Wonder what would have happened if you said no to the email issue. What can they do besides put you into the Israeli “facility” I would have said no right there. They had all ready denied what would have happened that was any different?

    • Shingo says:

      Wonder what would have happened if you said no to the email issue. What can they do besides put you into the Israeli “facility”

      I can only imagine what they would have dine to me had they read through my email. Yikes!!

    • Pamela Olson says:

      After you go through this several times, you learn to say no when you want to say no, because it usually doesn’t matter what you do — they’ve usually made up their minds long before they started interrogating you. The interrogation is just to make you feel like warmed-over crap to discourage you from coming back.

      But the first few times you go through this, with your instinctive respect for authority, it’s so crazy-making you tend to submit to whatever they ask you to do. They seem all-powerful. It’s a pretty basic psychological trick, but people who aren’t used to it fall for it quite easily. I certainly did at first, though I drew the line when they asked me to name everyone I knew in the West Bank. I said forget it, they threatened to deport me, I said go ahead and deport me. Then they let me in with a three-month visa. Go figure.

      P.S. It helps to have a dummy gmail account that you can log in to that gives them absolutely nothing, if you’re not sure you’ll be able to tell them no when they ask you to log in.

      P.P.S. The whole thing would be so cartoonishly funny — all these big-headed, monotoned ignoramuses acting like some kind of stupid police show and bullying hapless travelers — if real lives and plans and identities weren’t at stake. And if their tactics weren’t so degrading to the uninitiated who still believe in institutions and therefore feel like criminals when treated like criminals. I certainly did until I learned to grit my teeth and just get through it, while holding onto my principles as much as I could. And I was still reduced to sitting on the ground crying during an interrogation in 2007, after I’d already gone through a couple dozen of these horror shows.

      They are mean punks.

      • Sumud says:

        Great advice Pamela.

      • American says:

        Why does anyone even bother going thru Israel if they want to go into Palestine… can’t they go thru Egypt now?
        I wouldn’t give Israel 2 cents of my travel or tourist dollars.

        • tree says:

          Unfortunately, you can only get to Gaza from Egypt, and even then its a long time consuming trip. You can’t enter the West Bank without going through Israeli security, even if you enter from Jordan.

        • Djinn says:

          Actually you can – I entered through the Erez Crossing but I was travelling with an aid group that gets it’s funding in part from the Oz Govt – without an “official” reason you’re unlikely to get permission to go via Erez, even with that a few members of our group were denied.

  10. Kathleen says:

    So do you think these methods should be used to interrogate our congressional reps and Israeli agents in our country working for Israel? Dennis Ross “do you feel more Jewish than American” “More Israeli than American” Paul Wolfowitz “do you…. Judy Miller, Douglas Feith Senator Liebermann etc etc etc

    • Yes, good call, although ‘do you feel more Israeli than American’ would be the one. Based on the Israeli example, it is not possible to be both. Supplementary questions would be ‘why don’t you support Venezuela, Mexico or Brazil, as they are all much nearer?’ US officials would then go through their emails with a fine toothcomb, noting all of their subversive connections and friends, and then placing them in a holding facility, pending deportation to the country they apparently pledge loyalty to. It is obvious most of these dualists support Israel far more than they support the US, and have severely compromised US security. Not to mention completely failing to understand the founding principles of the US.

    • Citizen says:

      Exactly, Kathleen.

  11. seafoid says:

    The bots at the airport are in the front line and behind them , maybe 40 miles back in occupied East Jerusalem today, there were tens of thousands of orthodox Jews observing Shabbat. Not turning on lights, using cookers, using lifts. All to add more credit to their mitzvah accounts. None of this would be possible without the sadism at the airport. So it has to be deducted from the mitzvot.

  12. dbroncos says:

    “Welcome to Israel! Now strip down for your cavity search…Ok, you’re “clean.” Now open your computer so we can scour your e-mail and internet activity and snicker and sneer at you for what we find. Ok, come with me to our bunk house where you can stretch out on a urine soaked matress before we drive you to the tarmac and your flight back home. Thanks so much for visiting the Jewish state! Come again soon!”

    How long before US citizens with Arab sounding names turns into US citizens without Jewish sounding names? Israeli society is descending more and more into a “us against the world”, fascist mentality. But why worry? As long as our Embassy is staffed with Israel firsters and the gravy train from Congress continues, what’s to stop them?

    • American says:

      How long before US citizens with Arab sounding names turns into US citizens without Jewish sounding names? ”

      Better question…how long till that happens in America?
      Or has it already? So far it’s only happened to Muslim and Arab Americans.
      As Milton Mayer said in his book, ‘ They Thought They Were Free”…Germans took no notice of all the small things that happened…. “one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.”
      We have lot of ‘small things’…and they are as Mayer said about Germany also….’always so well explained”.
      The privileges given to Jews in America and the privileges of Israel are always so well explained…except they aren’t. Not well enough anyway or there wouldn’t be a whole cottage industry of people examining it.

      So what is the next step in America for the zionist?

      We have now a literal “Police State”"….no exaggeration there…witness the OWS protesters violently attacked by police….government whistle-blowers imprisoned…domestic police forces now getting drones….I won’t even go into the Kill List…which includes Americans, those enemies of Israel.

      A Police state and Zionist government determined to control America for Israel……..perfect storm if there ever was one.
      If there was a million man march on Washington to protest an attack on Iran saying ‘No War for Israel’ would the police turn their guns on Americans?….Yes they would. Would the ADL and AIPAC rush to congress to declare it’s an anti semitic uprising like nazi Germany and the people must be put down, arrested and charged with hate crimes against Jews because it involves the Jewish state? Yes they would. Would congress do it? Yes they would.

      That’s where we’re at now.

  13. HarryLaw says:

    They can count themselves lucky they did not encounter these Israeli security guards link to haaretz.com [Israeli police shoot US students laptop on entry to Israel, Haaretz.]

    • seafoid says:

      It reminds me of the problems Zochrot have commemorating the Nakba. The whole idea is like garlic to the vampire of Zionism. Laptops are more scary than weapons. That is how FUBR the ideology has become.

  14. I have travelled a huge amount in my life, but the first and ONLY time I have ever been reduced to tears at airport security was trying to enter Israel when I was 18 years old. After treating me like a criminal and pulling out all my things from my case, they let me in because they realised I was exactly the kind of visitor they wanted: naive, ignorant of the military occupation, unaware of the apartheid and racism I would later encounter.

    Please, please take this as high up and as public as you can. I greatly admire you both and am sorry for what you went through.

    • American says:

      Tell you what is funny…back in the 80′s we went to Bahrain and Singapore to visit some friends working for China air and another overseas airlines…one of the couples in our circle and on this trip was Jewish and someone suggested we go to Israel on the way home (I guess assuming the Jewish couple would be interested in that)..but Ha!..they nixed that idea pretty harshly…did not want to go near it.

  15. gazacalling says:

    Unbelievable. Deep breaths…

    • Philip Weiss says:

      My feelings exactly. Nothing to say– this is incredible

      • Phil – Why was my comment deleted? Looks like an entire string of comments that began with Fredblogs entry justifying the US Embassy’s asking whether the citizen was Jewish as it might relate to how Israel looked at the US citizen.

        Am I getting old? I can no longer find that thread. Thanks.

        • john, are you talking about this comment?

          link to mondoweiss.net

          also, are you aware you can click on a persons name and it pulls up their archives? that is how i found your comment responding to fred. the two threads were one day apart and both relating to the same topic so it is understandable there may have been some confusion.

        • Thanks Annie – Was very incensed by the post the other day – didn’t realize there was a second on the same topic. Appreciate your following up. Will use the archive function in future.

        • anytime john. i recall only one time an entire thread disappeared. long time ago pre moderation. it was kinda funny too. rachel lost her bearings and let it all hang out. when i awoke in the morning the conversation was gone.

      • Was an entire THREAD removed? I can see one or two comments being removed (and replaced with ‘this comment was removed’) but an entire thread?

        • Mooser says:

          “rachel lost her bearings and let it all hang out. when i awoke in the morning the conversation was gone.

          Even anti-Zionists have feelings of decency. I guess the mods. didn’t want poor Rachel to embrrass herself so publicly.

        • I guess the mods. didn’t want poor Rachel to embrrass herself so publicly.

          like i said, it was pre moderation days. it was a late night multiple comment exchange happening simultaneously on 2 threads with one other poster (perhaps chaos) and we were nudging her to expose even more of her blatant racism. but then, low and behold i was completely floored when she launched into a ‘death to arabs’ type comment. i can’t recall the exact wording but it was unreal! just like it the movies or something. i’d never been in an actual conversation with a person who outed themselves like that.
          i was aghast and immediately went to the other thread (a dual thread back and forth) and linked/blockquoted. one of these omg omg omg moments. i wish i had copied it.

          so yes and then the poster was banned. for awhile anyway. there’s another rachel who has shown up since..not sure if it was the same one. anyway, don’t think it was so much a matter of not wanting to embarrass rachel as not wanting that kind of sentiment on the site, ever.

          people who think this are the problem.

  16. homingpigeon says:

    The staff of the US Embassy in Israel is largely locally hired Israelis, and it was probably an Israeli who spoke to these detained women. The justification is the need for Hebrew speakers and there just aren’t that many non-Israelis who speak it well enough. It is assumed by US intelligence that they work for Shin Beth, including the janitors. In one of the ironies of the US-Israeli relationship, while the US Congress and President slavishly kowtow to the Israelis, and pour infinite quantities of baksheesh on them, US counter-intelligence, State Department security, US Marine Embassy Guards, etc. are very preoccupied with intercepting Israeli espionage attempts which apparently rival those of the Chinese.

  17. seafoid says:

    The other thing is that this sort of sadism is in such contrast to the Arab tradition of hospitality where every guest is to be treated with the utmost respect and no expense is to be spared in welcoming them. The sad irony of it all is that the real Jews of Palestine, the ones who were always there in Safed and Jerusalem while the Ashkenazim were eating borscht in the snow – these people had that tradition of hospitality and Zionism destroyed it.

  18. You complain about the US funding Israel with billions of dollars, and yet you want to go vacation and spend your money there to further stimulate their economy? For the third time?

    If you wanted to reach Gaza, you could go through Egypt since it’s now been opened after the Jan 25 revolution. Anyone who spends a dollar in Israel supports the murder of Palestinian children.

    • Djinn says:

      If you want to go to Palestine you have no choice but to get Israeli permission. While the Rafah crossing is more open that it used to be you are naive if you think Israel doesn’t still have a hand in there.

      That said it was very naive not to expect this sort of treatment at the airport. The Israelis have had lots of notice of your arrival to decide whether you’re worthy. It’s a little better at the land crossings but this shit still happens there. As they’d been told earlier, if you plan to visit Palestine have a good fake reason for your visit and remove ANY emails relating to Palestine from your accounts, deactivate your Facebook page & twitter accounts. Not using your real name on sites like this one is also a good idea. None of this is fool proof but it helps. The number one thing is to realise you may be denied entry on a whim and you should have back up accommodation plans in Jordan/Egypt.

      Yes it’s outrageous but it’s also well known. I’m not sure why so many people (here and elsewhere) find this surprising.

  19. German Lefty says:

    Wow, this story is really terrible. I just sent a tweet to a German Green Party MP and also posted a comment on the “Up with Chris Hayes” blog. Your experiences need to get broad attention.

  20. Talkback says:

    Sounds like the female interrogator was ex KGB.

  21. eljay says:

    Un. F*cking. Believable. >:-(

    The Glorious Jewish State is one twisted, f*cked up place. It figures you’d have to be a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist to defend a place like that.

    “Israel: We may not be as good as the best but, hey, at least we’re not as bad as the worst! Well, not yet, anyway, but we’re working on it!”

    Reach for the bottom, boys. Reach for the f*cking gutter.

  22. Avi_G. says:

    The reason this happened is two fold:

    1. Israeli authorities are fearful of anyone whom they know nothing about and have no information about. These airport searches and the interrogations are meant to provide Israeli authorities with a background on the passenger’s political, social and religious opinions and leanings. To do so, they ask provocative questions, and often ask questions that have nothing to do with airport security. It’s all about building a database about that person, a profile, if you will.

    2. Israeli authorities do the opposite to the Palestinian citizens of Israel. They search them, question them and cavity search them on the way OUT of Israel so as to discourage that minority from advancing, scientifically (By studying at universities abroad), politically (By attending conferences or interacting with people who might be concerned with human rights abuses). In short, the goal is to keep that minority isolated and poor.

    As for non-Israeli Palestinians, Israel’s goal is to keep them out.

    Sasha, in this case, was — unfortunately — ‘collateral damage’. That is the price one pays in Israel for befriending Arabs.

    “You will call after you take your picture. I don’t know why you were denied. My job is just to do procedure. When I go to America, the same happens to me. I get denied from America,” claimed the woman.

    “No,” replied Sasha, “No, you don’t.”

    I know that one of the main ideas that Israelis delude themselves with is that Israel is both a democracy and one that is no different than the U.S.

    Should you mention to an Israeli security guard that Israel is nothing like the U.S. in terms of civil rights, they will get extremely irritated.

    Incidentally, this idea is also one that is repeatedly disseminated through various Hasbara outlets in the U.S., what with that Shared Values nonsense.

    • Bumblebye says:

      Avi_G
      I found a short (only half) video of a Jon Donnison report from Israel on the racist riots (including shots of the car with two African passengers being attacked) that I’d previously only heard on radio. It perfectly illustrates the delusion of sameness that you describe:

      Unfortunately it misses the part of the interview where the older man, who’s name is actually Israel something, goes on to say how Israel can’t possibly be racist because it takes in Jews from all over the world. Would deluded fools such as he consider the US non-racist if for some unfathomable reason it decided to only allow immigration of Christians, wherever in the world they might come from, and decide to dispossess, expel, treat as second class citizens with fewer rights, all non-Christians? Why do they, our Olegs, Freds, giladg’s seem incapable of recognising that if it’s wrong in other countries, then its equally wrong in Israel!

      • Hostage says:

        Would deluded fools such as he consider the US non-racist if for some unfathomable reason it decided to only allow immigration of Christians, wherever in the world they might come from, and decide to dispossess, expel, treat as second class citizens with fewer rights, all non-Christians?

        (sarcasim) The incident involving the Quaker lady from Missouri at Ben Gurion airport proves that Quakers can’t rely on others. They need the safe haven that only the Quaker State can provide. The Mason-Dixon line is unacceptable and indefensible. It violates the right of the Quaker people to self-determination. The Quakers accepted the British partition proposal and ended their 17 year dispute over the borders of the Quaker State and the international status of Philadelphia. But the land for peace formula didn’t satisfy the Papist forces in Maryland or the forces of the Church of England in Virginia. They eventually attacked Gettysburg and would have driven all of the Quakers into the Harbor at Philadelphia if their plans had been successful. The West Virginians are an invented people. The borders of partition cannot be for us the final borders. We are entitled to decide our borders according to our defense needs.(/sarcasm)

    • Shingo says:

      Should you mention to an Israeli security guard that Israel is nothing like the U.S. in terms of civil rights, they will get extremely irritated.

      Obviously because they know it’s the truth.

      I’d love the chance to ask them if they are proud of their fascist, apartheid state and I’d they are enjoying their time on stolen land.

  23. Fredblogs says:

    So did she have e-mails about the ISM? Unfortunately, the ISM people are now training their “activists” to lie to the Israeli authorities on entry and try to look like tourists. Which may lead to innocent people being mistaken for ISM people. Also, generally good advice, when dealing with customs inspectors in any country, don’t mouth off, don’t argue, and don’t ask questions beyond “could I go to the bathroom”.

    • and when dealing with customs inspectors in israel, don’t be arab. TWA, Traveling While Arab.

      • Fredblogs says:

        Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Just because she was an Arab and turned away doesn’t mean it was because she was an Arab that she was turned away.

        If they turned her away just because she was an Arab, they wouldn’t have let her in the first two times she went there. So something was different about this time and the something was probably something in the e-mails. Possibly the conversations about getting around entry security checks. Possibly something she didn’t want to mention since it wouldn’t make Israel look as bad, or would make her look bad. Possibly her mouthing off, arguing, and asking questions.

        Like I said in the other thread, at customs in any country, they can search whatever they like. You, your possessions, your computer, and they can demand your passwords. They can turn you away for any reason or for no reason at all. When Cat Stevens was flying to the U.S. they didn’t even let the plane land, they just had it turn around. Somebody must have really hated “moon shadow”.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.”

          LOL. Yeah, because the Jewish Fantasyland has no history of anti-Arab bigotry (except, you know, it’s founding philosophy and pretty much its entire history…)

        • talknic says:

          Fredblogs June 3, 2012 at 12:40 am

          ” …something was different about this time and the something was probably something in the e-mails. Possibly the conversations about getting around entry security checks. Possibly something she didn’t want to mention since it wouldn’t make Israel look as bad, or would make her look bad. Possibly her mouthing off, arguing, and asking questions”

          Possibly NONE of your speculations.

          “When Cat Stevens was flying to the U.S. they didn’t even let the plane land, they just had it turn around”

          The aircraft was diverted to Maine Bangor International Airport. Keep posting … you help us illustrate just how eagerly Ziobots will write any olde cr@p!

        • Fredblogs says:

          “Possibly none of your speculations”. Well, like I said, it obviously wasn’t just because she was Arab. She was an Arab the first two times she visited and they let her in then.

          Re: Cat Stevens Joke I stand corrected. They didn’t divert the plane to England just to Maine, about as far East on the East Coast as they could before shipping him back.

        • ritzl says:

          @Fredblogs “Possibly…”

          Heh. Or “possibly” because she was front and center, w/picture, in two Op-Eds in two major US newspapers calling for a major divestment action against Israel. What a coincidence.

        • ritzl says:

          Oops, wrong travesty.

        • Fredblogs says:

          I know who you mean and yes, that is almost certainly part of the reason she was kept out. If someone works against my interests, I’m not obligated to invite them into my home. If someone works against Israel’s interests they aren’t obligated to let that person into their country.

        • Hostage says:

          Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Just because she was an Arab and turned away doesn’t mean it was because she was an Arab that she was turned away.

          No, long before I ever heard of these particular young ladies I knew, a priori, that a wide variety of legal scholars serving in treaty monitoring bodies had examined the facts and concluded that Israel routinely behaves in this illegal fashion. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

          I had repeatedly mentioned those findings and the absurdity of the situation with respect to our latest US Consular travel advisories on Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza beforehand too, e.g.:
          *http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/hundreds-of-soccer-fans-crowd-jerusalem-mall-death-to-arabs.html#comment-436990

          Those legal conclusions have repeatedly cited the prohibition of apartheid contained in article 3 of the ICERD convention and systematic violations of the human rights of freedom of movement, and access in territory controlled by Israeli authorities. These travel-related problems invariably involve people that Israel considers to be persons of “Arab nationality”, “Palestinians”, or human rights rapporteurs and officials on mission for the UN.

          I was already familiar with the conclusions of top jurists and expert fact finding missions that it has killed Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians, and other “Arabs” for speaking out or demonstrating against its occupation of their lands and its systematic violation of their human rights. I know that it has detained and questioned other Arabs and its own citizens for “the serious crime” of simply visiting the other Arab States that were brought-up during Najwa’s detention and questioning.

          I knew that Israel had kept its entire Arab population under martial law for nearly two decades, during which time its Border Police murdered hundreds of Arabs in travel and access incidents that some of its own Courts had labeled crimes against humanity and discussed as “black flag” incidents involving manifestly illegal orders to kill from senior state officials:

          The distinguishing mark of a ‘manifestly unlawful order’ should fly like a black flag … Not formal unlawfulness, hidden or half-hidden, nor unlawfulness discernible only by the eyes of legal experts, is important here, but … unlawfulness piercing the eye and revolting the heart, be the eye not blind nor the heart stony and corrupt—that is the measure of ‘manifest unlawfulness’ required to release a soldier from the duty of obedience (Chief Military Prosecutor v. Melinki (1958), 13 Pesakim Mehoziim 90, cited in Israel (A.G.) v. Adolf Eichmann (1961), 36 I.L.R. 18 at 256 (Israel, District Court of Jerusalem)).

          So we are not discussing things that are only discernible to the legal experts anymore. We are talking about things that anyone finds revolting except for those who have been blinded or corrupted by Zionism.

        • talknic says:

          Fredblogs June 3, 2012 at 1:57 pm

          “it obviously wasn’t just because she was Arab. She was an Arab the first two times she visited and they let her in then”

          Well, no, not obvious at all. It’s happened time and time again.
          link to washingtontimes.com
          link to alexawad.org
          link to uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com.au
          link to adonis49.wordpress.com

          “Re: Cat Stevens Joke..”

          “Joke” ?? There was a punch line? When will you stop deceiving yourself?

        • Shmuel says:

          If someone works against my interests, I’m not obligated to invite them into my home.

          Whose home, Fred? Whose interests? The area under Israeli control and served by B-G Airport (excluding Gaza), is home to some 9 million people, about a third of whom are Palestinians (although most are barred from reaching the airport themselves). Do you think the Palestinians of Israel and the OPT feel that Najwa and Sasha are working against their interests, or are you suggesting that the land of their birth is not their home?

          A significant minority among Israeli Jews (and those who are neither Jews nor Palestinians) would also have no problem with Najwa and Sasha’s visiting Israel or the OPT, whether they support BDS or not. So again, whose home, whose interests? Who exactly are the Israeli authorities protecting from Najwa and Sasha, and why? And finally, do you think Israel and the OPT are better, safer places for the ordeal that Najwa and Sasha were put through?

        • Fredblogs says:

          The joke was that he was being kept out because of “moon shadow” rather than for calling for the death of Salman Rushdie, or funding radical groups, or whatever the actual reason he was kept out.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “The joke was that he was being kept out because of ‘moon shadow’ rather than for calling for the death of Salman Rushdie, or funding radical groups, or whatever the actual reason he was kept out.”

          What a flaming bigot you are, Fredo. The former Cat Stevens was involved in a mistaken identity situation and you, of course, grab for whatever bigoted, Islamophobic slur you can find.

          If you had done even the minimum amount of checking you would find that he was put on a watch list because the US mistook him for another man with the same name and different spelling. (Idiot America strikes again.) But I guess he’s a Muslim and they’re all terrorists to you. Moron.

          But the real interesting this is what happened next. After his was disallowed entry, did the UK meekly take it like the fifth-columnist, Israeli-firster Shipiro and his “Are-you-Jewish” minions did??? No, the British Foreign Secretary, himself, took it up with the US Secretary of State. (Imagine Hillary taking up Israeli racism with the Moldovan Mussolini… It’d be like complaining to water about wetness.)

          Contrast the UK’s respnose to that of the zionist-ass-kisser in the US Embassy in Tel Aviv and you see what the problem is. Their Foreign Secretary put their people first; the US ambassador to israel is traitor and a disgrace.

        • Fredblogs says:

          re:Washington times. She ran afoul of a regulation that says Palestinians (i.e. members of a community at war with Israel) who want to enter Israel have to come in through the Allenby Bridge from Jordan.
          re:Alex Awad
          Another anti-Israel activist. Nice little story here about his visit with Arafat
          link to alexawad.org
          re: uprooted
          Not an Arab. An American Jew with suspected links to terrorists.
          re:adonis49
          An anti-Israel writer (said she took down all her anti-Israel writings in preparation for visiting Israel.

        • Hostage says:

          Another anti-Israel activist. Nice little story here about his visit with Arafat

          LOL! A delegation of American Christians passed through Israeli checkpoints to visit the President of an entity that had been created by the government of Israel and the PLO.

          FYI, the PA has always been funded by an Ad Hoc Liaison Committee that was created in 1993, the Ad Hoc Committee on Assistance to the Palestinians (AHLC). It is chaired by Norway and co-sponsored by the EU and the US. There are 17 member countries and some invited bilateral donor countries, including Israel.

    • Fredo, you’re such a patsy.

    • Hostage says:

      Which may lead to innocent people being mistaken for ISM people.

      There’s no danger of you being mistaken for a clever troll. Can you provide a link to an official source which says that ISM people are guilty of something?

      • Fredblogs says:

        Well, the ones who lie to Israeli officials about the purpose of their visit are guilty of perjury and conspiracy to commit perjury (or whatever the equivalent charge is for lying to customs agents) to evade security procedures when entering Israel.

        • Hostage says:

          Well, the ones who lie to Israeli officials about the purpose of their visit are guilty of perjury and conspiracy to commit perjury (or whatever the equivalent charge is for lying to customs agents) to evade security procedures when entering Israel.

          The article doesn’t say they were lying about the purpose of their visit. Having emails with the words “West Bank”, “Israel”, “Palestine”, or “International Solidarity Movement” isn’t evidence of perjury either. The US Consular Service travel advisory notes that:

          Demonstrations and Civil Unrest: U.S. citizens are advised to avoid demonstrations. Demonstrations or altercations can occur spontaneously, and all demonstrations have the potential to become violent without warning. If such disturbances occur, U.S. citizen visitors should leave the area immediately. U.S. citizens have been seriously injured in demonstrations that have turned violent. In Jerusalem’s Old City, where exit routes are limited, U.S. citizen visitors should seek safe haven inside a shop or restaurant until the incident is over. Demonstrations can be particularly dangerous in areas such as checkpoints, settlements, military areas, and major thoroughfares where protesters are likely to encounter Israeli security forces. Within Israel, U.S. citizens should be aware that demonstrations in predominantly Arab areas and confrontations between Arab and Jewish residents in ethnically mixed towns can occur with little or no advance warning.

          ISM supports demonstrations and you can updates needed to avoid them by email at: [email protected]

        • Blake says:

          Fred: Your beloved zionist ideology lied from the offset and plotted every immoral and unethical vile way to steal Palestine from the natives for years before the actual heist. Please don’t talk about lying and pretend to be at all moral. So disturbed it’s unbelievable.

        • Sumud says:

          Well, the ones who lie to Israeli officials about the purpose of their visit are guilty of perjury and conspiracy to commit perjury (or whatever the equivalent charge is for lying to customs agents) to evade security procedures when entering Israel.

          Obedient little Fredblogs, who will, after Israel visits it’s Final Solution on Palestinians be saying “we didn’t know about what they were doing, honest we didn’t”.

          I agree 100% with people lying to Israel’s border control police, because I disagree 100% with Israel’s well known policy of denying people entry if they openly state they are visiting the West Bank or Gaza.

          If Israel didn’t have a whole swag of unjustifiable and punitive laws for Palestinians and their supporters people wouldn’t have to lie. If Israel would just f*ck off back to Israel and leave Palestinians to themselves people wouldn’t have to lie.

          Since you’re so hung up on following the law why don’t your apply the same standards to Israel’s activities – they are violation of dozens of Security Council resolutions, the settlers are all illegal as is the theft of occupied Palestine’s natural resources.

        • Fredblogs says:

          I didn’t say they were ISM. I said they may have been mistaken for ISM.

        • Djinn says:

          Bullshit Fred. If I say I’m visiting friends & taking in the various historical sites I’m not lying. Sadly Israeli customs often won’t let you in if those friends are Arabs and the sites are in Palestine. I’m a seasoned traveller and in NO other country have I been asked the ethnicity of those I plan to meet with. Keep defending this crap, it says so much about you.

        • Fredblogs says:

          If they ask “are you with the ISM” and you are, but say “no” you are lying. If you are there for a demonstration and say “visiting friends and taking in the sites” you are also lying. Which is why Israel uses other means to know whether you are with the ISM or there to make trouble. They weren’t kept out because they were Arabs, or because their friends were Arabs. They were kept out because they were anti-Israel activists. What’s more, they were prominent enough that a friend suggested they try to cover up their activities so they couldn’t be found out by googling them.

        • If …If …which is why…they were anti-Israel activists …they were prominent… cover up

          yawn spin rinse repeat

        • Vicky says:

          Fred, you don’t have to be ‘prominent’ to take this step. Everyone who visits Palestinians knows the drill. If you’ve got Palestinian friends, if you are planning to visit a Palestinian community that isn’t on the tourist trail (or if you are planning to go to a touristy place like Bethlehem without an organized tour group), you do not tell the airport staff what you are doing. Because mentioning one Palestinian name is enough to have you detained and questioned for hours. Because saying that you’re going to stay in a Palestinian area just increases your risk of immediate deportation.

          When I get off that plane, I’m usually tired and feeling airsick, and I’m not in the mood for games. I want to go to bed. I say what I need to say to get through. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether you’re an activist or not.

          And you still haven’t explained why writing an essay critical of Israeli government policy is such a terrible threat that deportation is the only way to go.

        • Hostage says:

          They weren’t kept out because they were Arabs, or because their friends were Arabs. They were kept out because they were anti-Israel activists. What’s more, they were prominent enough that a friend suggested they try to cover up their activities so they couldn’t be found out by googling them.

          Look, Naomi Klein and Phil Weiss are a lot more prominent. Googling them would reveal that before their trips they had been outspoken supporters of the BDS and Palestinian Solidarity Movements; the Goldstone Report; the Right of Return and Single State Solution; and made comparisons of the situation in Israel and the West Bank to South African apartheid. J-Street went so far as to petition the DoJ to conduct criminal investigations of US charities that finance the illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. All of these people were allowed to pass through Israe’s border entry points.

          FYI, the government of Israel denies that it has a policy of denying entry to members of the ISM movement.

        • Djinn says:

          Sigh. I went through the exact samme bullshit with Israeli customs morons, I am not and never have been with the ISM, I WAS visiting friends, yet because those friends were Palestinians living in the West Bank I was immediately suspect.

          You can spin till your blue in the face but unlike you I have actually been through this experience myself and will take the evidence of that and the identical experience of friends as evidence before the rabid bleatings of a Zionist shill.

        • OlegR says:

          On the other hand Finkelstein and Chomsky were denied
          entry.
          Beurocracy is a blight as always in these matters.

        • AlGhorear says:

          Stating the obvious, both Naomi Klein and Phil are Jewish. Though not always a guarantee of entry, it goes a long way.

          I did travel to Palestine in 2002 to work with the ISM. What’s the crime in that, Fredblogs? We participated in a number of protests, including one that involved the art of painting flags on the apartheid wall in Qalqilya. What amazed me was how the Israelis could feel threatened by a small group of people completely contained within the 30 foot concrete wall that surrounds the entire village, armed with nothing more than a paint can and brush. Still we had guns pointed at us from the towers, tear gas and sound bombs shot at us and soldiers with automatic weapons darting among the trees next to the open space where we were gathered. That’s the insanity of it all. An entirely peaceful endeavor is met with potentially lethal violence for no other reason than to terrorize the local population.

          As far as the Israeli government denying that there’s no official policy of denying ISM activists from entering Israel, that’s not the way it works in practice and the Israeli government is not exactly known for its veracity. I’ve never tried to go back because one of the women who was there at the same time I was went back the following year. She ended up spending 3 weeks in detention fighting deportation, but then was sent back home.

          As far an entering Israel, it’s a nightmare if you try to enter at land borders as well. I entered Israel at the Taba/Eilat crossing and never would have gone at all if I’d known about the 7 hour grilling I would get. You would think a middle aged woman traveling alone to visit Christian holy sites is exactly the kind of tourist Israel would welcome but apparently not. I arrived in Taba at sunrise to an idyllic setting with the backdrop of the mountains rising above the Red Sea. I was so excited to be there. I entered the building, put my laptop and bag through the scanner and was immediately escorted to a small room by a young woman who told me to wait there. I remember telling her “It’s so beautiful here.” Then my nightmare began. I can still see the bleached blonde woman with powder blue eye shadow as she virtually screamed at me asking over and over again “Who told you to come here?!” “Where are you goink?” (not a typo). I kept repeating that I was going to Jerusalem and gave her the name of the hostel in the Old City where I would be staying but it didn’t help. I was so frightened that my hands were shaking so “Why are you so nervous?” was added to her repertoire of questions. Maybe because she was screaming at me and apparently suggesting that I had been sent on some mission to do terrible things.

          Then it was “Tal Moran” (the only person with a name tag in English), who took over the questioning and the “search”. He gave me my laptop and told me to sign in. I’m a lawyer and had no idea what rights I had so I logged on. After searching through my laptop, he read every scrap of paper I had in my possession and unpacked and examined EVERYTHING in my suitcase.

          Finally, it was the older and gentler “good cop” guy who questioned me in a more friendly tone but made some very racist comments along the way. He talked about settlers who had been killed by Palestinians “just because they were Jewish” and said “how are we supposed to live with such a people”. I wanted to say, don’t live with them. Go back to where you came from, but I sat there silently. He then made another racist comment about the Ethiopian Jew who worked as his assistant, inferring that she was inferior but better than having to work with the terrorist Palestinians. Even though the last guy was friendly, he’s the one who really left a bad taste in my mouth. I had never before experienced such unapologetic racism.

          I suppressed my urge to respond until finally after hours of asking me every detail about my life including parents, marriages, schooling, occupation, friends, children, travel habits etc. he asked me, “how do I know you’re not here to help the Palestinians?” By that time I was exhausted and just wanted my passport back so I could return to Cairo. I looked at him and said “How can I help the Palestinians?”

          As he walked me back to the little waiting area where I would sit for another 3 hours, I’d had enough and didn’t care whether I was let into the country or not, I turned to him and asked “Is this what my tax dollars pay for?” Instead of getting angry he started making excuses about how it was all for Israel’s security and said it wasn’t really aid anyway because they had to use the money to buy weapons from American companies. Sure.

          That was almost 10 years ago now but reading about Najwa’s and Sasha’s treatment brought back that awful ordeal. At least I did get a 10 day visitor’s visa and had a wonderful time in Palestine.

        • Cliff says:

          The crime is simple : your very existence is an affront to Zionism (land without a people for a people without a land/ ‘the Chosen people’ / etc.).

          You are wasting your time writing such well thought posts in response to such a incompetent hasbarat.

          People like Fred or OlegR or those similar hysterics who came before them (like biorabbi and yonira and eee and whoever else) are A) pro-settler and B) pro-colonialist.

          You are talking to your enemy. Not as in, a gentlemen’s discussion wherein to opposing sides sit down and break bread and realize they have a lot in common even though they have been at war for so long.

          No. This is NOT the power dynamic of the conflict, nor does it illustrate the integrity or nobility (or lack thereof) of the Euro-American Zionist colonists who usurped and stole Historic Palestine.

          This is a relationship between Master and Slave. You’re talking to a bunch of junior IDF youth fan-club members here (even though the Russian, OlegR, tells us of his heroism fighting against the rain of pop rockets from Gaza).

          How convenient that we get so many ex-IDF here or pro-Israel Muslims or pro-Israel Native Americans!

          Whodathunkit! Seriously, Fred is our punching bag at the moment.

          Just Witty was before him. I guess you should get your say in and feel better but you won’t get any kind of catharsis from this dialogue.

          Your talking to Leatherface and his family of cannibals is Israel/Zionism. Do you think that crazy chainsaw-wielding maniac is going to empathize with you? No. He is going to do the intellectual equivalent of sawing off those girls and sticking them in hooks. That is the extent of his humanism for non-(Zionist)Jews.

        • Finkelstein was not denied on account of his beliefs. Finkelstein was denied entry because he wouldn’t answer Israel’s questions about his recent trip to Lebanon and his interview with his Eminence Nasrullah, the Grand Poobah of Hezbollah.

        • seafoid says:

          Sure, PZ

          I believe everything you say.

          Was Finkelstein on the same Hezbollah payroll as Azmi Bshara? Were they the 2 who kidnapped little Ron Arad?

        • So you believe that is not related to his beliefs, or that any excuse from the Israeli goon squad is credible? They know exactly who he is, and they are in the business of censorship and suppression of debate. Ask yourself what threat to those terrified Israelis Finkelstein represents, other than his views.

        • Fredblogs says:

          Well, that’s Israel security screwing up. They shouldn’t be allowing people as anti-Israel as Phil Weiss and Naomi Klein into the country. And if they don’t have a policy of denying entry to ISM members then they should. Any group that is willing to have its members stand in front of bulldozers to protect smuggling tunnels shouldn’t be allowed into Israel.

    • Talkback says:

      Fredblogs:
      “So did she have e-mails about the ISM?”

      ISM people are not clever enough to use other mail accounts, Twitter or Facebook. Israel can easily catch them by looking into their gmail account. LOL.

      “Unfortunately, the ISM people are now training their “activists” to lie to the Israeli authorities on entry and try to look like tourists.”

      They are pseudo travellers like Ben Gurion and other Jews who illegaly overstayed after their visa ran out?

  24. Basilio says:

    It seems like it’s okay for Israel to treat people of Arab descent in an apartheid manner. I have relatives who want to see me, and I haven’t seen them in years. I’m not so inclined to see them because of such things. I have never been denied, but it can happen. I never saw much of my grandparents when I was growing up. This is the light of Israel that it has shone on the Palestinians. I see darkness from Israel. The British and Europeans sympathized with the Jews of Europe for the abuse and crimes they endured. The answer was not to abuse other people.

  25. YoungMassJew says:

    This is terrible. My hearts goes out to both of you. I can’t imagine going through something as humiliating as this. I’ve certainly never had to experience something like this growing up Jewish in America.

  26. OlegR says:

    What a sad bunch most of you are that you think an American passport
    entitles you some kind of privilege when entering a foreign country.
    American customs deny entry to people on a daily basis for whatever reason
    and the “ordeal” that these girls went through would have been very similar
    is they were denied entry to US.

    • Ellen says:

      Oleg, you are projecting and resorting to ridicule…..once again. It has ZIP to do with a US passport.

      US immigration authorities deny entry all the time, for various reasons.

      They can even be rude and unpleasant. A tactic to throw someone off under questioning when determining their pupose. The younger and less worldly the detainee, the easier it is.

      But young women under interrogation ( often suspected as entering the country for un documented domestic work) are NEVER demanded to remove their clothing and underwear, their possessions routinely searched or be required under threats to open personal emails.

      Show a single Israeli woman, or any woman, entering the US, who was asked about her name, her parents names, to open her email accounts, to remove her underwear.

      Let’s hear about it.

      • Fredblogs says:

        I don’t know where you are getting “to remove her underwear” since that isn’t in the story. Though it is probably how you tell the story to other people, Ellen.

        U.S. border strip search:

        link to cbc.ca
        And this woman was actually probed, not just made to change pants.

        link to stripes.com

        Computers confiscated and searched offsite:
        link to computerworld.com

        link to ezbordercrossing.com
        “U.S. Customs agents may also freely share the data from those computers — personal and business records, web-site visits, email – with other governmental entities.”

        Note, “email”.

        • Ellen says:

          Fredblogs, “remove pants” I read (mis-read?) to mean her pants — top and under.

          Though it is probably how you tell the story to other people, Ellen.

          A bit of projection? Assumption based realities?

          No one said US border officials are the welcome committee.

          Point is stuff like:
          “Do you feel more Arab or more American?” as a basis of interrogation!
          That is insane….or a national fascist line in inquiry.

          Don’t you get it? Or do you refuse to understand?

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Ellen
          Oh, are you British? That explains the “pants” misunderstanding. In America that means “trousers” not “underwear”. Since she earlier said that the guards were admiring her friend’s pants, she seems to be using the American sense.

          As to what I understand. I understand that she wrote this essay as though Israel had no reason to think she was anti-Israel besides the fact that she was an Arab. What I also understand is that a cursory google search turned up an anti-Israel essay that she wrote and that she was a college president of SJP. An anti-Israel pro-BDS organization. If I could find that in a two minute search, the Israelis obviously could have found it when they googled her. In other words, the essay is intended as a propaganda piece, not an objective description of the facts.

        • Ellen says:

          Fredblog, a “vibrant democracy” does not worry about and is not threatened by the thought expressed in a young woman’s essay. It might not agree with it, but defends and welcomes her right to express her thoughts.

          Anything else is totalitarianism, fascism.

    • Shingo says:

      What a sad bunch most of you are that you think an American passport
      entitles you some kind of privilege when entering a foreign country.

      You have a point Oleg. All that drek about the special relationship, shared values, cpmmon bonds, froendship and only dependable ally is pure horseshit and we should admit it.

      American customs deny entry to people on a daily basis for whatever reason
      and the “ordeal” that these girls went through would have been very similar
      is they were denied entry to US.

      Absolute rubbish. Unless you’re wanted for a crime in the US, there is no way someone would be forced to endure that humiliation, violation of person and privacy Ben if they were rejected entry.

      In fact, the only thing that compares to this ordeal would be if you were caught bringing drugs into a country like Indonesia.

      This is unadulterated fascism.

      • Fredblogs says:

        @Shingo

        I suppose technically, trying to bring undeclared raspberries across the Canadian-US border is a crime.
        link to cbc.ca

      • Djinn says:

        Exactly. I’ve demonstrated against the US thousands of times. I’ve criticized their actions in electronic communication, publicly & in print. Oddly they still let me in, and never ever ask the ethnicity of my friends.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Djinn
          The U.S. has the right to let in anti-American activists, or to keep them out if it so chooses. Israel has the right to let in anti-Israel activists or to keep them out as it chooses. It’s good to be a sovereign nation.

        • Djinn says:

          Yet you keep trying to obsfuscate with the repeated yelp that “but America does it too” – the subtext being that we’re all terrible anti-semites for “only” focusing on Israel. Then when that is rightly rubbished you pivot and start another lame defence. Ah Israel alone in the world.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      No, Oleg. What they expect is that if an American contacts the American embassy, that it would live up to the duties and interests of America and that American and not bend over backwards to entertain the vile racism of a fake state. But since zio money has infected the US system like a virus, we end up with a piece of crap like Shapiro who is more loyal to israel than he is (if he is at all) to the US and its people.

      Yes, I have a right to expect that my US passport entitles me to privileges from the US embassy and not to be subject to the petty racism inflicted on non-Jews.

      • Fredblogs says:

        Sorry, Woody, but the embassy did live up to its duties here. They made sure that the women were on an early flight back to the U.S. They have no duty to force Israel to let in anyone.

        If a U.S. border agent rejected some random citizen of a foreign country, would you expect us to give in to pressure from their embassy? Of course we wouldn’t, or we’d never be able to reject anybody. Neither would Israel and the U.S. embassy knows it.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          No, I don’t expect the racists in your country to give in to common decency. But I would expect that if a foreign state discriminated against an American on an ethno-religious basis, that the US embassy, at a minimum, would not become an accomplice to the discrimination as it did here, and would lodge a complaint at the highest levels (i.e., the ambasador) that the discrimination is unacceptable. I would hope that my country would tell your state not to discriminate, instead of, itself, discriminating. Instead, we get the useless filth-eater Shapiro who is more devoted to the ziofantasyland than his supposed countrymen, American citizens.

        • Fredblogs says:

          Two things “we can’t help you” doesn’t make the U.S. embassy an accomplice. Like I said, “ugly Americans” think that being an American means they don’t have to obey the laws and rules of other countries. They are then shocked that their embassies can’t help them. Second thing is that these girls weren’t kept out for ethno-religious reasons, but because they were members of an anti-Israel group. Which they conveniently forgot to mention in their essay.

        • Hostage says:

          Like I said, “ugly Americans” think that being an American means they don’t have to obey the laws and rules of other countries.

          The problem, of course, is that you keep suggesting that these young ladies violated some municipal law of Israel. You’ve also claimed that their answers about the purpose of their visit were dishonest.

          For its own part, the government of Israel lets members of the ISM movement pass though its border entries. It officially denies that it has any policy of denial of entry to people associated with the ISM. So most of your comments here are examples of defamation per se.

        • Hostage says:

          Like I said, “ugly Americans” think that being an American means they don’t have to obey the laws and rules of other countries.

          Fred you keep engaging in defamation per se. There’s zero evidence that any of these ladies violated any of the municipal laws of Israel, or that they made false statements about the purpose of their visits. The government of Israel denies that it has an official policy of denial of entry or permission to pass through its border entries to the members of the ISM movement.

    • talknic says:

      OlegR June 3, 2012 at 5:27 am

      ” the “ordeal” that these girls went through would have been very similar
      is they were denied entry to US”

      Er … if they were denied entry to the US on the same basis? Please elucidate……thx

    • Oleg fantasises as usual that somehow Israel and the US have something in common, a feeble and entirely ludicrous hasbara standard ruse. The US has equal rights, a democratic vote for all its citizens and does not refuse entry for purely racist reasons that a person is from the ‘wrong’ tribe. Israel, on the other hand, proudly implements all of these apartheid, discriminatory, racist regulations, as well as spying on two girls who apparently are a threat to the very existence of Israel because they have Palestinian friends and relations. And of course, being Palestinian in the eyes of Israel amounts to a crime. See Uri Avery quoted above.

    • Cliff says:

      More reason to cut ties with your disgusting apartheid State, OlegR.

    • Fredblogs says:

      Correct, OlegR

      link to newsfeed.time.com
      “Couple held overnight then denied entry to the U.S. because of tweets”.

      Border agents don’t seem to have much of a sense of humor regardless of the country.

      • talknic says:

        Fredblogs June 3, 2012 at 7:19 pm

        Scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for other instances doesn’t make anything right Fred.

        • tree says:

          Great analogy there, Fred.

          Because being pulled aside for tweeting you plan to “destroy America” is EXACTLY the same as being pulled aside and humiliated for admitting your father has an Arabic first name. Your ability to reach for the bottom in morality is to be admired, in a twisted – thank dog that’s not me selling my soul for pennies on the dollar – sort of way.

        • eljay says:

          >> “Couple held overnight then denied entry to the U.S. because of tweets”.

          That was a stupid decision on the part of the U.S. C&BP. It figures a hateful and immoral troll like Fraudblogs would use that incident to justify Israel’s supremacism.

          And, again, none of this has anything to do with an American citizen’s “Jewishness” being a prerequisite for assistance from American embassy officials.

        • Mooser says:

          “Your ability to reach for the bottom in morality is to be admired…”

          Just imagine the liberating effect it could have for a young Jew who is conflicted, and feels himself pulled in contradictory moral and political directions!

  27. Yes, and just imagine the shitstorm in the media and Congress if a foreign country denied entry to US citizens solely because they had Jewish names, humiliated them and trawled their emails taking details of all associates and contacts. It would be a huge story with all manner of pundits working themselves up into a lather of fury, grandstanding their moral outrage, condemning the country, calling for sanctions, war who knows what. Compare and contrast.

    • tokyobk says:

      I find this harrassment of US citizens awful on many levels and fitting the criteria of racist, of course. Even in the face of security concerns this tpe of behavior is indefensible, regardless also of who is doing it. As an American, his makes me mad at my kwn government like others here.

      But yes, Saudi (and airlines flying to it) have said they will deny Jews as Jews and they and airlines and State giving the same answer- cannot intervene locally.

      And everyone knows to have two copies of your passport if you travel to Israel as an Israel stamp can lead to harrassment and denial of entry in the Arab and Muslim world.

      Not saying Israel wants to keep company with KSA, just that
      The formula – if this were happening to Jews the world would spin off its axis is often overworked.

      Lastly, at a time when Israeli backpackers were known to sell jewelry on Yakuza “owned” sidewalks illegally in Japan, almost all you g Israelis were harrased and many denied entry unfairly, held over night i. the “gaijin gulag” and sent home. Some just tourists, asked why they keep comi g to Japan, why not Italy? I once had a lookover on my visa and was taken to a private room which was filled with Israelis under 30 being detained.

      • Ellen says:

        tokyobk,

        KSA, (Saudi Arabia) does not deny those who are Jewish or have Jewish names to enter the country.

        Jews visit the country all the time and many work there.

        There are no diplomatic relations between KSA and Israel, so an Israeli citizen would be denied entry. It is reciprocal for a Saudi attempting to enter Israel.

        • Fredblogs says:

          “There have been reports by U.S. citizens that they were refused a Saudi visa because their passports reflected travel to Israel or indicated that they were born in Israel.”

          link to travel.state.gov

          So apparently you don’t even have to be Jewish, just have visited Israel to be denied entry into Saudi Arabia

        • So apparently you don’t even have to be Jewish, just have visited Israel to be denied entry into Saudi Arabia

          Your hasbara is stale, Fredblogs. There’s no current ban on Jews traveling to Saudi Arabia. There was once one — which lasted 27 hours. Other than that, Jews have always been able to and currently can travel to the kingdom.

        • talknic says:

          Fredblogs June 3, 2012 at 7:24 pm “apparently you don’t even have to be Jewish, just have visited Israel to be denied entry into Saudi Arabia”

          Saudi Arabia and Israel are hostile entities.

          Israel has banned travel between Israel and hostile states since the emergency law of 1948 (Still in force. It prevented Israelis, both Jews and Arabs, from worshiping in Jerusalem whilst it was under Jordanian control).

          Saudi Arabia bans citizens and potential allies of Israel from entering Saudi Arabia.

          It isn’t uncommon when states are hostile to each other. In fact it’s quite NORMAL.

        • eljay says:

          >> So apparently you don’t even have to be Jewish, just have visited Israel to be denied entry into Saudi Arabia

          And this is the type of morality Zio-supremacists and their oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state feel is worth emulating. Reach for the bottom, boys, reach for the bottom!

          “Israel: We may not be as good as the best but, hey, at least we’re not as bad as the worst!” (TM)

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        “But yes, Saudi (and airlines flying to it) have said they will deny Jews as Jews and they and airlines and State giving the same answer- cannot intervene locally.”

        Really? Have some evidence to back that up, that that state refuse entry to Jews as Jews?

        “And everyone knows to have two copies of your passport if you travel to Israel as an Israel stamp can lead to harrassment and denial of entry in the Arab and Muslim world.”

        And that’s Israel’s own fault. Israel has steadfastly rejected the Arab Peace Plan which has promised a normalization of relations with the Arab world.

        And let’s not forget that Israel officially, by law, considers Saudi Arabia to be an “enemy country”. Why shouldn’t Saudi Arabia ban people from Israel and those who visited Israel from Saudi Arabia?

        • Fredblogs says:

          Thanks Woody

          “Why shouldn’t Saudi Arabia ban people from Israel and those who visited Israel from Saudi Arabia?”

          Why shouldn’t Israel ban a woman who has lived in enemy Arab countries?

        • Hostage says:

          Why shouldn’t Israel ban a woman who has lived in enemy Arab countries?

          (Pilpul Alert) Because that would also apply to hundreds of thousands of the citizens of Israel who came to Palestine under the auspices of the Jewish Agency and the Mossad Le’aliyah bet. It would also apply to the displaced Jews of Arab Palestine (1948) and the Israeli settlers who lived in the Enemy Entity (Gaza) or the State of Palestine. Never ask a question unless you already know the answer.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Why shouldn’t Israel ban a woman who has lived in enemy Arab countries?”

          you paranoid psychopaths can do whatever it wants. But don’t complain when someone treats you likewise. Further, my country, however, shouldn’t take part in your state’s racism. Those are my only points.

        • Kathleen says:

          So when these “enemy Arab countries” start banning Israeli or Jewish travelers from coming into those countries Fredblogs will go be pulling out the “anti semite” card

      • American says:

        Israelis being scrutinized when entering other countries probably has a lot to do with the assassinations in other countries and stolen passports Israelis are famous for.

        • tokyobk says:

          Woody and American:

          You are giving in reverse all the pretexts.

          Why shouldn’t a country ban an enemy or those perceived as friends of an enemy. Why should’t we profile everybody from a group where some are indeed criminal. etc…

          There is no good context for bigotry or profiling.

          Even the imperial Japanese refused to harass and deport German Jews when requested by their Nazi allies because they (perhaps ironically) honored their treaties to protect German citizens. America should do the same, as we agree.

          Yes, Jews to KSA and everywhere in the ME and Muslim Asia have problems like the above especially when they have an Israel stamp regardless of politics. Which is why many get the stamp on another piece of paper or copied passport.

        • Sumud says:

          Yes, Jews to KSA and everywhere in the ME and Muslim Asia have problems like the above especially when they have an Israel stamp regardless of politics. Which is why many get the stamp on another piece of paper or copied passport.

          Correction: it is not just jews who will encounter difficulties entering ME countries if they have Israelis visa stamps in their passport, it is anybody. I’m Australian, from a christian background, and worked for a period in UAE. I recall being specifically told that if we visited Israel to get the visa stamp on a separate piece of paper outside our passport.

          Your actual religion is irrelevant; whether you have visited Israel or not IS relevant, and that is part of the arab states boycott of Israel.

          Further, though my family are christian I have a jewish sounding (Old Testament) name and I never encountered any difficulties anywhere in the ME. At most I was asked once or twice by work colleagues if I was jewish.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          tokyobk,

          If the israelis want to prevent anyone from getting harrassed by the Saudis, then they can accept the Arab Peace Plan. Since they don’t, I have no choice but to think that they desire the current situation. I suspect that they enjoy the sense of victimization it provides. It furthers the mental pathologies that are wrapped up in the heart of the zionism ideology.

          In a perfect world, there would be no discrimination in entry depending on citizenship. But it exists.

        • feynman says:

          But if Israelis always use stolen passports on their assassination missions, then Israelis who travel with Israeli passports should NOT raise eyebrows.

        • American says:

          “But if Israelis always use stolen passports on their assassination missions, then Israelis who travel with Israeli passports should NOT raise eyebrows”

          All Israelis raise eyebrows.
          If I ran into a Israeli in the US or abroad my attitude would be hostile because Israel is a terrorist state.
          I would treat them the same way they treat Arabs and Palestines.
          Unless they could ‘prove’ they weren’t zionist….but they couldn’t could they?…because they chose to live in the zionist state…therefore they are zionist.

        • American says:

          “tokyobk says:
          June 3, 2012 at 2:19 pm
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          Woody and American:

          You are giving in reverse all the pretexts.

          Why shouldn’t a country ban an enemy or those perceived as friends of an enemy. Why should’t we profile everybody from a group where some are indeed criminal. etc…”"

          Ban away zio. Fine by me.
          Maybe the US will start profiling all Jews since some of them like Pollard are convicted spies, criminals and traitors.
          How would you like that?
          Think profiling Jews would be fair?

  28. Tom Suarez says:

    Thank you, Najwa Doughman and Sasha Al-Sarabi, for this important record of what happened to you.

  29. talknic says:

    Sheeeeesh … Never had such questions or treatment even traveling to Arab States, despite having an unmistakeably Jewish name. I’ve always been treated with the utmost respect.

    I’m betting tho, I won’t ever be let into Israel in its present state.

  30. haniobaid says:

    lol what I find funny is an American of Arab origin thinking her US citizenship will make her special in Israel. These two got off easy considering Israel assassinated Rachel Corrie (a pure American) with a bulldozer with witnesses. The state department did nothing then either.

    Also the US considers Israel an ally and as you mentioned
    funds them with billions of dollars per year, and yet they didn’t respond
    when Israel was caught spying on them.(Google Jonathan Pollard)

    This is also historical, in 1967 Israel attacked by air and sea,
    the USS liberty killing over 34 American Sailors and wounding 117.
    Again the US ignored the incident. By comparison, the much touted
    attack on the USS cole killed only 17 sailors, and since the attack was
    by Al-Qaeda the US offered a 5 million reward and killed the attack planner
    with a missile attack.

    Still have doubts as to who wears the pants in the US-Israel love affair?
    Every US president in the last 30 years before getting elected met with Jewish
    Public Action Committees, and practically swore allegiance.
    What is the greatest symbol of American subservience to Israel ?
    The Keppa, this is the skull cap meant to distinguish an observant jew,
    from none observant jews, and gentiles. Google the keppa and the names
    of presidents in the last 30 years, and see what you get.

    Incidentally you also need to look inwards at how TSA treats some Arabs Americans at airports. Including multi-hour interrogation by FBI agents. Detention without cause, sending people back just because they don’t like their face or a joke they made on their twitter account etc…

    I remember getting interrogated in Ben Gurion myself but I was underage (13) so it didn’t last more than 30 minutes. There was a strip search and they let me go but I had to come back for my luggage a few days later as they kept it for inspection but claimed it was lost (unlikely since the same thing happened on 2 separate trips).

  31. scrabble says:

    Instead of being buried in a blog, this story needs to make it out to US and European media outlets, as contacting US representatives would likely be useless. Anybody got connections in the media world?

    As a response to some of the comments:
    1) Comparing how the US and Israel treat incoming foreigners doesn’t strengthen Israel’s case or justify its actions. The TSA is infamous for its blunders, and the US isn’t the best model for democracy anymore.
    2) Certain Arab countries denying entry to ANYONE with an Israeli passport or stamp isn’t the same as targeting and discriminating against a particular group of citizens of a “friendly” nation such as the US. No Arab state I know of denies entry to Jews based on their religion.
    3) Read Jim Zogby’s article: link to huffingtonpost.com

    Again, if this incident happened in any other place besides Israel, the media and the State Department will be all over it right now. Shame on America for supporting such regime.

  32. Tom Suarez says:

    To those (e.g., the US gov!) who try to deflate the greater issues raised with the diversion that every country has the right to its own entry policies, it must continually be stated that Israel is not just deciding who will enter Israel (and abusing them based on ethnicity) — it is deciding who will enter other people’s land as well. Israel controls all access to Palestine. An accurate analogy would be if Saddam Hussein, after claiming to have annexed Kuwait, decided who may enter Kuwait, terrorized and humiliated the “wrong” people attempting to enter (whether US citizens or other), and the US response was well, shucks, wadaya gonna do…

  33. Fredblogs says:

    OK, mystery solved.
    Anti-Israel essay. Googleable. SJP president. Of course they denied her entry. She’s anti-Israel and the proof of that is readily available online. No wonder her friend told her to try to get googleable suff about herself off line.

    link to israelmatzav.blogspot.com
    link to cavalierdaily.com

    • Let me see if I understand this, Fredblogs.

      On the one hand, if Israel denies entry to an American who’s lived in Arab countries, that’s Israel’s prerrogative of defending itself from former residents of enemy nations.

      On the other hand, if the Palestinian Authority bans Israelis from buying land in the PA, that’s antisemitism, even if those Israelis are citizens of an enemy state.

      So I see you Zionists wanting to have the cake and eat it too. Could you please get your act together?

    • Sumud says:

      OK, mystery solved.
      Anti-Israel essay.

      So much for Israel being a vibrant democracy.

      More like an violent paranoid state descending into fascism.

      • Fredblogs says:

        It is a vibrant democracy. Just one that isn’t inclined to let known enemies in.

        • Cliff says:

          A vibrant democracy that doesn’t let a girl in who wrote a mean essay about the country!

          Compare that essay (which is entirely true and supported by SA anti-apartheid era activists and personas like Desmond Tutu or Nelson Mandela) to the constant stream of hateful garbage thats spewed forth from the likes of Pam Gellar, Daniel Pipes, et. al. (cited by the Norway serial killer as an inspiration).

          So yes, her freedom of speech and expression is being violated. Basically, if you don’t absolutely love the apartheid State of Israel, you’re not welcome. That is the very definition of fascism.

          And anyways, without getting into Hostage-style verbiage (no offense), everyone knows Israel is a fanatically racist country and essentially a Jewish ‘country club’. People like you exemplify that meme.

          I think after all this stuff happening, that you still call Israel a ‘vibrant’ (LOL, a word that is often repeated by various hasbarats – so you’re not even being original) democracy, shows how little you value the word, ‘democracy’.

        • Dutch says:

          A vibrant democracy is an open society that grands equal rights to all its citizens, correct? These rights are defined in the consitution of such a democracy, right? So how come these elements are not in place in your vibrant democracy?

        • Talkback says:

          What I learned from universal moralist Fredblogs today:

          If you feel more Jewish than being a citizen (of any other state than Israel), it’s ok to deny you entry and deport you. Just say it has nothing to do with you being Jewish, but it’s only for security reasons.

        • Sumud says:

          Well, “vibrant” is one way of describing it, which I would contest.

          Since half the people Israel rules are not permitted to even vote I’d call it an apartheid ethnocracy.

          The attacks on NGOs, whistleblowers and journalists (e.g. Anat Kamm & Uri Blau), this border event, and Israel denying entry to people like Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky, are all signs that Israel’s democracy is rapidly transforming into fascism.

        • piotr says:

          It is vibrant all right, but are those good vibrations?

          I was in Belorus and Vietnam, and in an “imperfect democracy” of Turkey. Getting visa was a simplicity itself, and border control was totally unbtrusive. Turks give visa at the entry, Vietnamese by e-mail, in Belorus it was transit to Russia (I was taking a train). Israel is unique in the amount of harassment for visitors. USA is perhaps number 2. (I have no data on North Korea, Eritrea etc. but I suspect that Israel is no. 1)

        • haniobaid says:

          Calling Israel a vibrant democracy shows you don’t understand the meaning of the word. It can’t be a democracy until it either gives all Palestinians Israeli citizenship and the right to vote, or lets them have their own country. You could repeat that lie all day, but you’re not fooling anyone. Building a fence around them to make a large prison as if they’re farm animals doesn’t count as a democracy.

        • eljay says:

          >> Calling Israel a vibrant democracy shows you don’t understand the meaning of the word.

          He understands it in his own hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist way, which is to say: Israel is a democracy of and for Jews.

    • Hostage says:

      OK, mystery solved. Anti-Israel essay. Googleable. SJP president.

      The linked blog article suggests that its okay to deny entry to and deport members of Students for Justice and Peace in Palestine because they’ve compared conditions in Palestine to South African apartheid and have spoken out against pro-Israel speakers visiting their schools. The author also attempts to discredit Deir Yassin remembrance days “to mark what Palestinians have claimed was a massacre of Palestinians in 1948″, despite the fact that the massacre was verified at the time by the Jewish Agency and the International Red Cross. Yitzhak Levi, “Nine Measures”, published by Maarachot, the Israel Defense Army Press, Tel Aviv, 1986 confirmed details of the massacre. Extracts, like “Deir Yassin:Levitza’s Account” were translated by Ami Isseroff and are available online. link to web.archive.org

      In any event, Pro-Israel speakers aren’t being deported from the US, because Articles 18 and 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights prevent state parties from interfering with the right to hold opinions, the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. Israel and the USA are both participating states. link to www2.ohchr.org

      The attitude of the blog operator does help to explain why Israel has denied entry to South Africans, like Judge John Dugard and Bishop Desmond Tutu when they were on mission to Israel for the UN. The CERD Panels of Experts are democratically elected by the 175 State Parties to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. They have been periodically voicing their concerns about apparent violations of the prohibition of racial segregation and apartheid in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory for nearly two decades. So have the elected representatives of the Palestinian people. In the 2004 Wall case, the Justices pointed out in paragraph 129 that Israel was violating longstanding international guarantees regarding the right of freedom of movement and transit to the Holy sites on both sides of the Green Line.

      So, denying people access to Al Aqsa or Jewish sites because they are “Arabs” or because they support justice and peace for Palestinians is just another graphic example of Israel’s disregard for international norms.

      P.S. if Google keeps putting israelmatsav in the first few pages of your search results, that only proves that they’ve got you pegged and have personalized the results. That doesn’t necessarily apply to the rest of us here (thank God).

      • Fredblogs says:

        Oh, and the women who were denied entry to Israel have not been deprived of their “right to hold opinions, the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion”. They just haven’t been allowed into Israel. They are welcome to have those opinions and thoughts. Elsewhere. There is no right to enter any country that you aren’t a citizen of. Therefore your rights are not violated when they tell you to go home.

        • talknic says:

          Fredblogs June 4, 2012 at 1:56 am

          “They just haven’t been allowed into Israel”

          Why?

          “There is no right to enter any country that you aren’t a citizen of.”

          Odd… Ever read UNSC res 476 … Israelis do it every day. In fact Israelis, have been doing it for 64 years, illegally settling even.

        • eljay says:

          >> There is no right to enter any country that you aren’t a citizen of. Therefore your rights are not violated when they tell you to go home.

          And yet an American embassy official wanted to know whether Ms. Tamari was Jewish. This appears to suggest:
          - that Jewish Americans receive preferential treatment (a slap in the face to all non-Jewish Americans); or
          - that Israel might be prepared to reconsider a particular expulsion order should the “undesirable” person turn out to be Jewish (a slap in the face to all non-Jews, as well as to morality, decency and justice in general).

        • Hostage says:

          Oh, and the women who were denied entry to Israel have not been deprived of their “right to hold opinions, the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion”. They just haven’t been allowed into Israel.

          Reality check: Al Aqsa Mosque isn’t located in Israel and the vast majority of worshipers there are already supporters of BDS and the ISM. The Israeli authorities certainly do routinely violate the right of Palestinian Muslims and Christians to movement and access necessary to make religious pilgrimages to their Holy Sites in Jerusalem, Hebron, Bethlehem, and Nazareth. They also routinely interfere with the rights of Muslims and Christians from other countries when they wish to visit those sites. This episode is a graphic example of that very thing. These practices have been highlighted and condemned by the ICJ and the Human rights treaty bodies.

          FYI, a couple of seconds on Mondoweiss or Google would have also revealed that Naomi Klein gave a talk at the Friends School in Ramallah supporting the BDS movement against Israel and talked about the same subject during a visit to Bil’in too.
          *http://mondoweiss.net/2009/06/i-think-this-is-the-most-emotional-event-ive-ever-done-naomi-klein-in-ramallah.html
          *http://mondoweiss.net/2009/06/naomi-klein-talks-boycott-in-bilin.html

          Here’s a recent article in which Phil compares the situation in the West Bank to apartheid and discusses his trip to Israel and the Nablus area.
          *http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/fear-and-apartheid-in-the-west-bank.html

          J-Street doesn’t support BDS or ISM, but here’s a JPost article which reported on the J-Street call for the Justice Department to conduct criminal investigations of US charities which financially support illegal Israeli settlements. They still manage to routinely enter Israel and even sponsor trips for visiting Congressional delegations:
          *http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=181755
          *http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/06/06/3088033/netanyahu-wont-meet-with-visiting-congressional-delegation

          I could go on, but the readers can see what’s really going on here.

    • talknic says:

      Fredblogs June 3, 2012 at 7:41 pm

      “She’s anti-Israel and the proof of that is readily available online”

      Uh? Anti occupation, anti illegally acquiring territory by war, anti illegal dispossession of civilians, anti illegal annexation, anti illegal settlements. None of which are ‘anti Israel’. It’s illegal whoever does it.

    • MarkF says:

      “She’s anti-Israel..”

      Yes, but are you more Jewish than American?

    • Danaa says:

      Fredblogs, by your own comments and shilling for a state with values alien to democracy, you should be denied entry to the US. No one here has any doubt as to where your loyalties lie or what your politics is. And none of us doubt who you’d prefer in a crunch (you say, the crunch is already here? oh…)

      I think it’s time for anyone entering the US with a Jewish-sounding name or with a parent with similar sounds to be asked whether they feel more Israeli or American. Unfortunately, that may cut on some major travel plans…oops, what’s a jewish-sounding name? Fredblogs?

      Tongue-in-cheek aside, it is sad that so many Jewish people in the US put the interests of an authocratic, ehtnophobic, apartheid retrograde state over their own country’s. Downright biblical.

      • Fredblogs says:

        @Danaa
        We don’t put Israel’s best interest ahead of America’s. We just know that Israel is a close ally of the U.S. and it is in the interest of the U.S. to help our allies.

        • Danaa says:

          Sorry Fredblohs, but Israel IS NOT an ally of the US. There are no shared values I can think of, other than lip service. Israel an ethnocentric, fascist leaning apartheid country that is busy blackmailing the US in ways that no real ally does. Far from being an ally, it – and the Jewish shills it deploys are a trojan horse, the “ally” who stabs you in the back, the ones who sell you down the river. The “ally” made of eternal shnorers and sends spies to pilfer your secrets. The ‘ally” who is responsible for over 5000 very dead Americans – and 10′s of 1000′s badly wounded – who fought in Iraq for something Israel wanted. The ‘ally” that’s been trying like hell to get the US into trouble with Iran, and is now busily raking up the murky waters in Syria, collaborating with the saudis in ways that we can only guess.

          Israel is on its way to becoming the Darth Vader of Planet Earth and has now acquired nuclear submarines with which it can threaten one and all, the US included. On the red button, real soon, will be the fingers of the likes of Shas and Lieberman and the assorted rabbis of Yesha.

          Anyone who shills for Israel – and it’s right wing “Jewish” jihadist regime – is no friend of America (actually, “Jihadist” in the connection of israel is an insult to the true concept of “Jihad” but in connections with fredblogs the popularized sense will do). People like you are foreign agents, though in your case, not a very good one. If you are in America, you may continue to pretend to be an American – since the US has all types – but based on what you wrote on this site, there’s nothing you ever said that revealed a single American value.

          I realize you care not a hoot about this country, but bear in mind that there are many, many of us who do. And we can’t stand the idea that Israel plans to drag us all down into the darkness it inhabits.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Danaa
          Israel not being the U.S.’s ally would comes as a great surprise to both the U.S. and Israel, considering that each considers the other a strong and loyal ally.

          The fight for Iraq happened because it was something Bush wanted, not something that Israel wanted. He was determined to do the job he thought his father hadn’t. It also meant a lot of money for Cheney and his business associates at Halliburton.

          As for American values, I am steeped in them. Loyalty to one’s allies, democracy for one’s citizens, equal rights for citizens, freedom, but not to idiotic levels (i.e., no freedom to come into the country without being searched if customs gets suspicious) and screw the enemy. All American values.

        • The fight for Iraq happened because it was something Bush wanted, not something that Israel wanted.

          This is yet another “because I say so” Zionist argument.

          However, PM Netanyahu’s 2008 statements to Maariv were clear: “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.” He also added that the events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

          BTW a politician rejoicing that a close ally was attacked and that it got stuck in a military quagmire is frankly nauseating.

        • Fredblogs says:

          There is a difference between acknowledging the facts and rejoicing. If a rich relative dies, you can grieve while still acknowledging that your wealth came from them. The 9/11 attacks backfired spectacularly for the terrorists. Instead of bringing America down, it made us go kick their asses in Afghanistan. The war hasn’t been great for us, but it has really sucked for Afghanistan. Instead of weakening the bonds between Israel and the U.S. as the terrorists hoped, with their disingenuous and belated claim that it was partly because of the Palestinians, it merely strengthened our already strong ties. Suck it bin Ladin.

        • Citizen says:

          RE: “The fight for Iraq happened because it was something Bush wanted, not something that Israel wanted. He was determined to do the job he thought his father hadn’t. It also meant a lot of money for Cheney and his business associates at Halliburton.”

          Yes, there was a difference of opinion on the best strategy, given that any attack would destabilize the region, with Bush Jr & Company favoring the US taking out Iraq first as the weaker enemy, and Israel favoring the US taking out Iran first–because Israel thought Iran was the main threat.
          link to commondreams.org

          There’s ample evidence that Bush Jr & the necons’ unilateral invasion of Iraq is the biggest foreign policy mistake in US history, and that the original justification for it, Iraqi WMDs, was a Big Lie and known to be so at the time. I fail to see how the event lives up to America’s highest values.

        • Citizen says:

          RE: “The fight for Iraq happened because it was something Bush wanted, not something that Israel wanted.”
          Yes, Israel had a different strategy than Bush Jr because Israel preferred, and argued the US should attack Iran first because it was the main, bigger enemy, while Bush Jr thought Iraq should be attacked first because it was weaker, and regime change there would be had on the cheap.

          link to commondreams.org

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “There is a difference between acknowledging the facts and rejoicing.”

          And ‘yahoo was rejoicing.

          “Instead of weakening the bonds between Israel and the U.S. as the terrorists hoped, with their disingenuous and belated claim that it was partly because of the Palestinians,…”

          Nonsense, the crimes of the israelis against the Palestinians and the US support for your criminal buddies was long cited as a reason to attack the US. Nothing “belated” about it.

          “…it merely strengthened our already strong ties.”

          More and more Americans are now questioning the zionist entity, it’s criminal acts and the US’s responsibilty for them, more so than before 2001. Sure, the ziolobby and israle, through it’s fifth columnists and israel-firsters have an Alien-facehugger grip on the US political system, but that will change.

    • “And if the authorities suspect you’re here to help a radical [Palestinian] terror group, you won’t be allowed in.” – link to israelmatzav.blogspot.com
      ———————————————————————————————————
      @ Fredblogs: I was afraid, when I went to Israel that the Israelis might suspect that
      I as a German might be inherently anti-Jewish/anti-Isarel. That’s why I answered their question “Why do you come to Israel?” – “I am a Sociologist and want to study the Haredim. There are so few Haredim in Germany”. (See my comment above.) – Although the situation in Israel is tragic, I can’t take them seriously.
      “The land of our biblical forefathers” – And the Haredim praying for devine intervention on behalf of “the children of Israel” is a joke. – But the immigration people didn’t get my joke and let me pass.

  34. I lived through a similar experience when entering and exiting Israel (yes, I was soooo lucky to be allowed in). And I was merely target because of racial profiling (I’ve been told my whole life that I look Arab, but my family name is of Hispanic origin). I have both an American an a European passport.

    In the way in, I got the interrogation and underwent a thorough search of every item in my bag. I have to say, the two young guys that did this were rather nice, although they also used the same excuse of “Oh, we go through the same thing when we go to your country, it’s normal”. I was sent here because when I went through customs and they asked me where I was staying, I said “with a friend”. Then, they straight out asked me what religion my friend was (WTF?), and in all honesty, I replied “Muslim”. Somehow I passed their test or whatever this was, and I went into Israel.

    On the way out, I went through security once, then I was asked to go again a second time. I was asked if I spoke Arabic, if I had ever learned Arabic, and weird questions like that. The underwear in my baggage was fondled by strangers more times than I would like to count. When I was finally allowed to check in through my flight, and go through the last security station, they went through all my baggage again, and decided that -just for good measure- they would get me a strip-search too, perhaps as a goodbye present of sorts. I actually did take off my pants, and had to take everything off except for my panties. Then the metal detector was swiped all over my body repeatedly, even between my legs. By this time of course I was mustering angry letters, particularly to the US Embassy, asking them how dare they use my tax dollars to support such behavior. In a way, it’s as if I paid to be belittled and shamed by Israeli airport security.

    So, girls, although your case is worst than mine, know that you’re not alone. And please, if you know of a “victims of Israeli airport security” association of sorts, let me know. I’m still angry and it’s been 2 years, and I would like to do something about it so no one has to go through such a degradation of their most basic human rights ever again.

  35. denied says:

    The same thing happened to me. I am a young woman from Europe…. Not jewish, so they didn’t want me there.

    I also found the graffiti on the bunks and walls a small comfort. A US congresswoman and a Nobel peace laureate had been in that cell!

    It was extremely traumatising and I won’t risk it happening again. I am now very nervous of airports.

    • Blake says:

      I am quite well traveled and nothing like what happens there is the norm anywhere else. Not even close. Not even a German intelligence officer approaching me on the tarmac as I deplaned at Frankfurt airport while in transit to South Africa was anything close to what I experienced in “Israel”. Put it down to their guilt and please don’t be put off traveling.

  36. Blake says:

    A similar story of a Palestinian “Israeli”:

    THE ‘LUCK’ OF A PALESTINIAN IN ISRAEL by Yara Hawari
    link to desertpeace.wordpress.com

  37. seafoid says:

    Looking at the photo what is most striking is the Star of David.
    Eventually I imagine the SoD will be removed from the flag at the insistence of the future majority of world Jews who disown Zionism.

    • Sumud says:

      I hope so seafood – zionist have totally abused the Magen David; recall the hideous graffiti that can be seen in Hebron with the Star of David alongside statements like “death to arabs” and “gas the arabs”. Recall that there are at least two instances of IDF soldiers carving up fields in Gaza to create gigantic SoD’s that can be seen via satellite. Recall footnote 394 from the UN FF Mission to Gaza [Goldstone] Report [my emphasis]:

      Graffiti left by Israeli soldiers in the house of Talal al-Samouni, which were photographed by the Mission, included (a) in Hebrew, under the Star of David: “The Jewish people are alive” and, above a capital “T” [referring to the army (Tsahal)], “This [the letter T] was written with blood”; (b) on a drawing of a grave, in English and Arabic, “Arabs 1948-2008 ”; and (c) in English: “You can run but you can not hide”, “Die you all”, “ 1 is down, 999,999 to go”, “Arabs need to die” and “Make war not peace”.

      Beyond belief.

      Those are the most extreme that come to mind, but Israel’s behaviour in general make it bad enough that non-zionist jews should object strongly to Israel claiming the SoD as a symbol.

      • seafoid says:

        Claiming it as a Jewish state is a real stretch as well at this stage, Sumud.

        It’s more like a grouping of people who are familiar with Jewish food and pick and choose from Jewish morality within the confines of an apocalyptic military cult.

  38. Vicky says:

    On my first visit to Israel, aged nineteen, I was pulled aside because of the stamps for various Middle Eastern countries in my passport. (I’m not Arab or Muslim, but my dad’s job took us all over the globe when I was a kid.) I was travelling with a Catholic youth group on a pilgrimage, and at first I didn’t understand why I was being separated from my group. They asked what my dad had been doing in the Middle East, where exactly we’d lived, where I went to school, and so on. Then it came: “Did you have Arab friends?” I said yes. The next question: “Why?”

    They honestly seemed to believe that was a reasonable question to ask somebody. My mind boggled as I considered alternative ways of phrasing that. Do you have black friends? Why? Do you have gay friends? Why? It was the first indication I had that something funny was going on around here.

    And I am stunned by the mental gymnastics that people will go through to justify the routine humiliation that goes in that airport. She wrote an essay critical of Israeli policy? Presumably all the Israelis who have written similarly critical pieces will have to be imprisoned or deported, if writing these things is such a dreadful threat that it can only be resolved by keeping the writers out. And presumably the French authorities have now got perfect justification to detain me for fourteen hours and refuse me entry to France, because I once wrote a critical essay about the French government and the Rwandan genocide.

    • Avi_G. says:

      And I am stunned by the mental gymnastics that people will go through to justify the routine humiliation that goes in that airport. She wrote an essay critical of Israeli policy? Presumably all the Israelis who have written similarly critical pieces will have to be imprisoned or deported, if writing these things is such a dreadful threat that it can only be resolved by keeping the writers out.

      This is but one among thousands of contradictions with which Israeli policies and Zionist ideology are riddled. I am referring, of course, to Israel’s so-called brand as the Only Democracy in the Middle East.

      Anyone who’s views Israel doesn’t like, it bans.

      That is HARDLY a democracy. Instead, it is an authoritarian Ethnocracy reminiscent of authoritarian regimes throughout history.

      The proverbial howl in the wind by Zionists — including sympathetic Jews who deny that they are Zionists — however, is that this is “Bibi’s fault” or the “Fault of the right-wing in Israel”.

      But it’s not. All those Israel sympathizers sat idly by, gulping on as much Zionist propaganda as they could swallow. They accepted the founding myths about Israel and accepted the LIES that Israel told about the events of 1948, 1967 and the so-called Peace Process.

      Those loyal automatons didn’t care for the truth, they were merely interested in the convenient lies that Israel told them.

      So now that the Israeli government feels so strong and empowered by a Washington-based lobby, all of Israel’s ugly policies and atrocities are floating to the surface like turds in a lake.

      These turds were in the water for a long time, contaminating it and polluting it. But they didn’t float to the surface and become visible until the bacteria inside produced enough gasses that made them all buoyant.

      Meanwhile, shills for Israel, including American shills for Israel are driving around in rubber boats spraying Febreeze, trying to conceal the awful stench.

  39. Linda J says:

    “If someone works against my interests, I’m not obligated to invite them into my home.” — Fredblogs

    Gee, the Palestinians wish you would have been around in the 1920s.

  40. Miguel I. says:

    Oh, Israel is terrible, in USA, a real democracy, is very different. Or not?

    “Antonio Canales, the dancer alleges that he was harassed, beaten and bound in shackles by police U.S. immigration in JFK airport during 17 hours”

    link to cesarsalgado.net

    Oh, USA is undemocratic, fanatic, and horrible state. Smash American State! (ironic)

    Hypocrites!

  41. Danaa says:

    Very soon the time is a coming when only bona fide Jewish people will be allowed into Israel. How to tell? well, maybe every entrant will have to provide their password to ancestry.com? Maybe there’ll be a DNA data base and a cyber-security database to flag any and all comments sympathetic to Human Rights? Maybe a voting record/linkedIn/Facebook/google profile assembled thanks to Echelon’s israeli owners? maybe synagog attendance and israeli flag pins?

    All we need to do to figure out what’s to come is to extrapolate a little: what does it mean that Israel views Human Rights as its enemy? somebody should start compiling a list of the people not allowed in and/or barred from entry. Hint: Chomsky is on the list and he has good liberal Zionist credentials! and Finkelstein! and Quakers! Tony Judt would have been on the list had he lived long enough….

    • piotr says:

      No, no, no. For starters, there are bad Jews. Thus questions like to what congregation one belongs. (And no, Chomsky does not have good liberal Zionist credentials, this is an oxymoron. Liberal Zionists are useful idiots of the Umma). And there are good non-Jews. Like a German businessman who got ejected from a flight to Israel during Flytilla purge of passengers, perhaps having the same name as an unfriendly blog commenter?

  42. it’s gone viral, this is the top story googling news for israel. from AP

    link to winnipeg.ctv.ca

    “Tamari and Doughman’s cases were first reported on the left-wing blog Mondoweiss.”

  43. Kathleen says:

    Over at Huff Po
    Israel Airport Email Searches Inspect Suspected Pro-Palestinian Activity
    link to huffingtonpost.com

    Has someone compiled a list of Americans and internationals that have not been allowed into Israel? Must be getting mighty long.

    • Dutch says:

      Here is Haaretz on the story. Mondoweiss is mentioned several times.

      link to haaretz.com

      • Sumud says:

        Mondoweiss is mentioned several times.

        Great! Always happy to see mainstream media trying to keep up with blogs.

      • lysias says:

        Hopefully the publicity will lead to more questions at White House and State Dept. press briefings.

      • Citizen says:

        And here is one of the many comments under the Haaretz article:
        My “Visit” to Tel Aviv
        By Rami 05 Jun 201211:31AM
        In 2009 I was asked to open my Hotmail. The lady at Ben Gurion was not very nice lol.

    • Danaa says:

      Kathleen, 9:27AM: I asked the same question just above. The article I read indicates that there is some evidence that there has been an escalation in the intrusive searches at that “welcome to Israel” airport. I think the israelis are deliberately letting the story propagate, hoping it’ll act as a deterrent to activists.

      Anyways, I’ve been expecting a clamping down on palestinian sympathizers and activists to be the next front Israel opens. After that video of the uniformed thug assaulting the Dennish bicyclist went viral, there was a huge cry in israel to batten down the hatches on visitors to the West Bank. It’s people with Arab names today – it’ll be any youngish non jewish European and American tomorrow. After they get away with that, they’ll come for the activist Jews too – just a question of time.

      • American says:

        “It’s people with Arab names today – it’ll be any youngish non jewish European and American tomorrow. After they get away with that, they’ll come for the activist Jews too – just a question of time.”..kathleen

        Yea, it is only a matter of time…it’s the nature of this kind of mentality to go further and further. Every time Israel gets aways with something it only encourages them to push the envelope more and more.
        They need a health dose of Fear of reprecussions…..but since the US won’t threaten Israel with punishment for their actions it will eventually hit the wall. Why even the zios can’t see where this will end when the majority of the world despises them I can only attribute to their hubrist delusions.

  44. Mooser says:

    And I, fool that I am will always be, as Mr. Croce says, get all flustered at the Israel-firsters. And yet look at the result; several new commentors (new to me, at least) and some very interesting viewpoints and lots of confirming evidence. Almost want to thank Fredblogs. Maybe I could send him a copy of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Probably frighten him right to Tel Aviv. ‘Oy Gevalt, these are the rights they give people in this crazy country? I’ve got to go somewhere a Jew can be safe!’

  45. lohdennis says:

    Phil: Looks like NYT deleted the article they published (AP article) last night quoting Mondoweiss. I wonder if they did it under Israeli pressure. While I haven’t verified with anyone else, I tried very hard to view the article today under “World-Middle East” and it’s gone. The “cached” version which I used to repost on FB is still there. Please follow up.

  46. Kathleen says:

    Who has been banned or kept from entering Israel
    Pro-Palestinian activists detained in Israel
    link to aljazeera.com

    Noam Chomsky kept from entering West Bank
    link to democracynow.org
    Norman Finkelstein banned from entering Israel
    link to haaretz.com

  47. Kathleen says:

    Gunter Grass banned from entering Israel for criticizing Israel in a poem
    link to bbc.co.uk

  48. annie bis says:

    Looks like indignation is bottomless here.
    As for me, I have been warned that “they” would be waiting for me if I ever set foot at BG; but since the only Palestinian soil where I want to set foot is Gaza (being zio free) I do not care much.

  49. Refaat says:

    because of israel i was not awarded a prestigious scholarship. I will never forget.

    • seafoid says:

      They are insane, Refaat and they will never be at peace with themselves . Israelis will always carry the fear with them. They’ll never be able to relax like the fellahin.

  50. Citizen says:

    proudzionist777,

    Re your request to hear about the Jewish terrorists who operated against Palestinian Arabs during the 1920′s:

    First, your question was already answered in detail on this blog by Hostage, responding to eee:link to mondoweiss.net

    And what’s your point anyway? Compared to the native population of Palestine, very few Jews came to that land before the end of WW1, after which time, the Jewish settler population quickly doubled the total cumulative number of Zionists that had come in all years prior, so that by the end of the 1920s the Jews felt they had enough population there to increasingly terrorize the natives, which they commenced to do, escalating their terrorism through the 1930s, and thereafter, whenever the timing looked right. All towards practical implementation of the Zionist plan from its inception:

    “The first Zionist settlement in Palestine was founded with the financial help of Edmond James de Rothschild (1845-1934), a French financier who assisted a small group of the Russian Bilu Jewish Society to immigrate to Palestine in 1882. This Philanthropist sponsored a few more tiny settlements at the time such as Gai Oni, Roch Pina, Zichron-Ya’acov (which he named after his grandfather) and Rishon Letzion with settlers from around Eastern Europe.
    The single aim of all these settlements and their planners who envisioned them was to slowly and secretly transfer, drive out and ethnically cleanse Palestine of its indigenous people.” link to 1948.org.uk

    • Hostage says:

      First, your question was already answered in detail on this blog by Hostage

      The same could be said for the book cite that I provided to proudzionist777 written by Israel Prize winning historian Anita Shapira, “Land and Power: The Zionist Resort to Force 1881-1948″. For example, she deconstructs the Tel Hai Myth and notes that there’s no particular reason for Israelis to feel proud about the clash that the HaShomer initiated with the local Arabs or the deaths of Trumpeldor and his cohorts. She notes that the territory contained most of the sources of the Jordan river and was of interest to the Zionist, but wasn’t actually part of Palestine or the British sphere of influence at the time. The official Zionist Commission to Palestine washed its hands of the entire matter and the informal leaders of the Yishuv couldn’t decide among themselves whether or not to assist the Jewish militants in their fight against the neighboring Arab villages. See “Tel Hai as a Defensive Myth” pages 98-109.

    • Hostage says:

      @Hostage Cop out.

      @ proudzionist777: sour grapes.

      I’ve already given you citations to the applicable Ottoman Land Code which protected the rights of the cultivators on any lands purchased by Edmund Rothschild. On 1 Mach 1920 there were no mandates, High Commissioners, or revised British or French land ordinances. link to mondoweiss.net

      Trumpeldor was just another Russian terrorist and Jewish interloper as of 1 March 1920. The French military officials who were encroaching on Arab lands, despite their assurances about Arab independence, were interlopers too. The Arabs that clashed with these foreigners died defending their farmland and their country, but Trumpeldor did not. The Principle Allied Powers had not reached any decisions regarding the mandates in Ottoman Asia, much less the details concerning the future boundaries of the Jewish national home.

      • @Hostage

        “Trumpeldor was just another Russian terrorist and Jewish interloper”

        Hostage. You were supposed to say Zionist interloper. Zionist, not Jewish interloper.

        What happened to your political correctness tonight? You almost sound just like a bigot.

        • Hostage says:

          Hostage. You were supposed to say Zionist interloper. Zionist, not Jewish interloper. . . .What happened to your political correctness tonight? You almost sound just like a bigot.

          What happened to your knowledge of Jewish history? I just reminded you about a little of it. You either didn’t know or had forgotten that renegade demobilized Jewish Legionaries and members of the French armed forces had violated the rights of Arab cultivators long before the international mandates were even granted, and that Arabs had been killed by Jewish Legionaries during the fighting in Galilee. Here are a few relevant facts for you:

          Many religious Jews, like Rav Kook, supported and visited the new secular settlements in Galilee prior to the mandate era. He wrote that these new secular settlements would become holy and that they were the fulfillment of the vision of the prophet Ezekiel. For Kook and his followers, “Judaism” based on the commandments was a sine qua non for “Jewish national life” in the homeland. Kook was appointed Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem in 1919 and Chief Rabbi of Palestine in 1921.
          *http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10941#.T9fauN2wV2I
          *http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Modern+History/Centenary+of+Zionism/Zionist+Philosophies.htm
          *http://www.ravkooktorah.org/timeline.htm

          The “Zionist” Organization had zero legal standing in either Ottoman Asia or Arabia, so it submitted that the international community of states should “recognise the historic title of the Jewish people to Palestine and the right of the Jews to reconstitute in Palestine their National Home. In pursuit of that objective Dr. Weizmann and the Emir Faisal of Hedjaz concluded an agreement, which among other things, required that “Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories.”
          *http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=goto&id=FRUS.FRUS1919Parisv04&isize=M&submit=Go+to+page&page=163
          *http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/5BFF833964EDB9BF85256CED00673D1F

          The name of the organization responsible for committing the acts of military aggression against the Arab people in this 1920s myth of defense was “The Jewish Legion”.
          *http://books.google.com/books?id=UDR6o4JMzlsC&lpg=PA96&dq=&pg=PA96#v=onepage&q&f=false

          The demobilized Jewish Legionaries from the United States, Canada, and England expressed a desire to stay on in Palestine, provided that they could settle on some land. There was no international mandate for them to do that, but they were aided by Baron Rothschild and the authorities of “The Jewish National Fund”, one of the Jewish duly accredited agents in Palestine.
          *Aids Jewish Legionaires; Baron Rothschild to Provide Land for Them in Palestine. New York Times July 19th, 1919 link to query.nytimes.com

          The name of the organization that glorified Trumpeldor’s death for its own propaganda purposes was “The Jewish Agency for Palestine, nowadays known as “The Jewish Agency for Israel”, another of the Jewish duly accredited agents in Palestine.
          *http://www.jewishagency.org/JewishAgency/English/Jewish+Education/Compelling+Content/Eye+on+Israel/Gallery+of+People+%28Biographies%29/Trumpeldor+Joseph.htm

          Berit Trumpeldor (Betar) was originally founded in Latvia by a group young students and workers who declared themselves a “part of the Jewish Legion to be established in Eretz Israel” on the basis of the ideology of Vladimir Jabotinsky’s “legionism” and the ideals of personal pioneering and defense exemplified in Joseph Trumpeldor’s life and death. Their goal was to create “a Jewish State on both sides of the Jordan River”.
          link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

          The Zionists were quite obviously self-proclaimed Jews and they quickly established themselves as the only “Jewish duly accredited agents” for the territory of Palestine.
          *See the Jewish Agency, “Memorandum on the Development of the Jewish National Home”, 1924, submitted by the Jewish Agency for Palestine to the Secretary General of the League of Nations for the Information of the Permanent Mandates Commission, London, October 1924 (cited in Mutaz M. Qafisheh, The International Law Foundations of Palestinian Nationality, BRILL, 2008, page 231 and UN Reference documents on Palestine, A/296/Add.1 of 1 May 1947). link to books.google.com

        • tree says:

          PZ,
          Please tell us all the terror attacks perpetrated by Jews against Arabs in 1920′s Palestine.

          You’ve made this specific request several times within this thread, and then you have the clueless gall to tell Hostage… What happened to your political correctness tonight? You almost sound just like a bigot.
          because he rightly identified Trumpledoor as Jewish? You asked for Jews, not Zionists, and now you want to play the game “Don’t call them Jewish, or you’re a bigot” ? Totally idiotic on your part.

          Here’s some more terror attacks committed by Jews against Arabs in the 1920s, per your request. Not as deadly as some, but certainly they fall under the description of terrorism, which is violence used for a political purpose. From the horse’s mouth, as the saying goes:

          As unemployment grew in the Zionist economy in Palestine in the 1920s, Histadrut launched a campaign for Jewish Labor (Avodat Ivrit) and Jewish Produce (Totzeret Haaretz), that is a Boycott of Arab Labor and Produce. David HaCohen, former managing director of Solel Boneh, described what this meant:

          “I had to fight my friends on the issue of Jewish socialism to defend the fact that I would not accept Arabs in my trade union, the Histadrut; to defend preaching to housewives that they should not buy at Arab stores; to defend the fact that we stood guard at orchards to prevent Arab workers from getting jobs there … to pour kerosene on Arab tomatoes; to attack Jewish housewives in the markets and smash Arab eggs they had bought … to buy dozens of dunums [of land] from an Arab is permitted but to sell God forbid one Jewish dunum to an Arab is prohibited; to take Rothschild the incarnation of capitalism as a socialist and to name him the ‘benefactor’ — to do all that was not easy.” [12]

          link to azvsas.blogspot.com

        • American says:

          Jews- Zionist, what’s in a name,…. there probably weren’t any Presbyterian Mexicans in the US Betarim Jewish Youth army…….. the ancestors of AIPAC zionist.

          [8.44] January 1946, British Consul, New York reporting a mass demonstration for Jewish freedom put on by the New Zionist Organization of America. “It was constantly patrolled by the Betarim, the new Jewish Youth Army, attired in a Hebrew version of the old Nazi Bund uniform.” “Great Britain was public enemy no. 1 of the Jewish people, more dangerous and shrewder than the Nazis…”

          [8.65] February 1946, formation of B´rith Trumpeldor of America or Betar, affiliated with the NZO. “there is noticeable similarity in the organisation´s character, structure and aims to those of the Hitler Youth…”, reported by British Embassy, Washington

          link to archiveeditions.co.uk

        • I asked for instances of Jews terrorizing Palestinian Arabs during the 1920′s.

          Hostage deluged us with ‘links to nowhere’.

          Tree cites to instances of Jewish Labor Zionists using forces against OTHER JEWS because they had been violating Labor Zionist principles by hiring Arabs and buying Arab produce.

          Jew on Arab terror, circa 1920′s please, not Jew on Jew.

          Good try Tree.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          So you reject Hostage’s and Tree’s proof (and, no, what Tree provided was Jew on Arab terror, in addition to Jew on Jew terror) and then restate a demand to be shown exactly what they showed you. Typical zio thinking.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “I asked for instances of Jews terrorizing Palestinian Arabs during the 1920′s.”

          Their presence in Palestine with the intent of stealing the land from it’s rightful owners, itself, constituted the terrorizing of Palestinian Arabs.

        • Citizen says:

          As I mentioned early, the 1920s saw a significant increase in Jewish settlers. And it looks like proudzionist777 is correct, as reactive Arabs appear to have most of the terrorizing during the 1920s–4 out of the 5 terrorist incidents during this decade. I very quickly skimmed a timeline of terrorist massacres from 3/1/20 to 5/14/48, in the Palestine Mandate, according to Wiki, and the score was 33 were initiated by Arabs, and 52, by Jews. All the others were attributed to both sides: link to en.wikipedia.org
          Somebody else may have more time at the moment to double check my figures, and also go into the footnotes attendant ambiguity of “who started it” is debated when it’s not clear as to any particular massacre.

        • Citizen says:

          ‘There is incontestable evidence that in the matter of immigration there has been a serious departure by the Jewish authorities from the doctrine accepted by the Zionist Organization in 1922 that immigration should be regulated by the economic capacity of Palestine to absorb new arrivals.

          ▪ Between 1921 and 1929 there were large sales of land in consequence of which numbers of Arabs were evicted without the provision of other land for their occupation. … The position is now acute. There is no alternative land to which persons evicted can remove. In consequence a landless and discontented class is being created. Such a class is a potential danger to the country.
          ▪ The fundamental cause, without which in our opinion disturbances either would not occurred or would not have been little more than a local riot, is the Arab feeling of animosity and hostility towards the Jews consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future. … The feeling as it exists today is based on the twofold fear of the Arabs that by Jewish immigration and land purchases they may be deprived of their livelihood and in time pass under the political domination of the Jews.’
          link to en.wikipedia.org

          PS: The Shaw Report also states that the Arab massacre of Jews in 1929 was a spontaneous reaction, re what is said above about the 1920s and the Wailing Wall aspect in ’29–were not planned, and the Mufti was innocent too in this respect.

        • heartbeatt says:

          Why don’t you stop communicating with this guy. He is not interested in understanding anything, learning anything, or shifting his position – there are people like him on all Palestinian-related sites. An Israeli woman who made a film about the settlers said, when asked what the men do, “they pray and lobby” (they don’t need to work because they are supported by Jews in America and other countries, plus support from the Israeli government) – I would add they and many other pro-Zionists spend a lot of time on the internet and probably some are hired by Mossad. Let’s use our energy for more productive communication.

        • Hostage says:

          Hostage deluged us with ‘links to nowhere’.

          No, I gave you an example of armed Jews using terror tactics against the indigenous Arab civilian population in order to acquire and annex their territory to the “Jewish motherland”. The Ottoman Land Code permitted Ottoman subjects to purchase and register land, not Edmund Rothschild or the Legionaries. The registered owner was entitled to usufruct, but not entitled to evict or threaten the tenured Arab cultivators. Those details are omitted from the myth of defense that Israel created to justify the colonial aggression perpetrated by the HaShomer and demobilized Legionaries.

        • @Hostage

          “…colonial aggression perpetrated by the HaShomer and demobilized Legionaries?”

          Wait. Were these Zionists ‘colonial aggressors’ or ‘ terrorists’? Make up your mind.

          Regardless, you called the Legionnaires ‘interlopers’, but in truth,
          by June 1919, most of the Legion’s 38th Battalion was demobilized and sent back to England and by November 1919, many of the remaining Legionnaires had left Palestine for USA.

          So who were Hostage’s ‘interlopers’ than?

          Well. According to Jabotinsky, one third of the Jewish Legion were Palestine natives, so the remaining demobbed Legionnaires in 1920 were mostly natives, not interlopers.

          Keep pounding that square peg into the round hole Hostage. Keep pounding away.

        • Hostage says:

          Wait. Were these Zionists ‘colonial aggressors’ or ‘ terrorists’? Make up your mind.

          The Irgun and Lehi were both colonists and self-proclaimed terrorists. those are not mutually exclusive categories.

          Regardless, you called the Legionnaires ‘interlopers’, but in truth, . . . So who were Hostage’s ‘interlopers’ than?

          I provided you with a link to a New York Times article which illustrates that Edmond Rothschild and the JNF assisted demobilized Legionaries in settling on the land, rather than returning to their countries of origin.

          Most of the Jews in Ottoman Asia prior to the war were not natives or Ottoman citizens. They were protégés of one of the western consulates who used the capitulations to circumvent the prohibition against Jewish immigration to Palestine. –See Ruth Kark, American consuls in the Holy Land, 1832-1914, Wayne State University Press, 1994

          Trumpeldor was in that category. He was just a Russian interloper who was neither a native of Palestine nor a legal Ottoman subject. But keep on dissimulating and trying to change the subject.

        • @Citizen

          You and your sources said, “The Shaw Report also states that the Arab massacre of Jews in 1929 was a spontaneous reaction, re what is said above about the 1920s and the Wailing Wall aspect in ’29–were not planned, and the Mufti was innocent too in this respect.

          Not planned? Really?

          My sources say that falsified photographs showing the Omar mosque of Jerusalem in ruins, with an inscription that the edifice had been bombed by the Zionists were handed out to the Arabs of Hebron as they were leaving their place of worship on Friday evening, August the twenty third.

          link to hebron.com

          Sounds to me like the 1929 massacre of Jews by Arabs was very well planned.

          So much for your sources.

          link to hebron.com

        • I said, “these Zionists”, referring to haHashomer and the Legionnaries, and YOU go off topic and out of our 1920′s time frame by introducing the Irgun and Lehi, which were founded in 1931 and 1940 respectively .

          Talk about ‘dissimulating’ and ‘trying to change the subject’.

          So yes, Hostage, Trumpeldor was neither a native or Palestine nor a legal Ottoman subject. He was a demobbed Legionnaire who chose to remain in the Upper Galilee, a political vacuum, in order to protect his fellow Jews from marauding Bedouins that were probably in the pay of French agents.

          I’m well aware of the consulates and the capitulations. My relatives emigrated to Jerusalem in 1811 and received aid from Western consulates, without which, there would be no State of Israel.

        • Hostage says:

          I said, “these Zionists”, referring to haHashomer and the Legionnaries, and YOU go off topic and out of our 1920′s time frame by introducing the Irgun and Lehi, which were founded in 1931 and 1940 respectively .

          LOL! your desperation is showing.
          *Jabotinsky and Trumpeldor were both Russian interlopers and co-founders of the Jewish Legion.
          *Jabotinsky openly trained Jews in warfare and was arrested for possession of illegal weapons and blamed for the 1920 Palestine riots. He was given 15 years in prison, but was granted amnesty.
          *Jabotinsky is specifically mentioned in Anita Shapira’s account of the development of the Tel Hai Myth of Defense.
          *Jabotinsky founded B’rith Trumpeldor (Betar)
          *Jabotinsky was a member of the Zionist Organization Executive. That organization ran wholely-owned subsidiaries that were chartered colonial trusts long before 1920. Jabotinsky wrote the Iron Wall in 1923 about the on-going Colonization of Palestine link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
          *The Irgun and Lehi were self-confessed terror organizations. Jabotinsky was the leader of the Irgun until he died in 1940. For example, J. Bowyer Bell cites a meeting in Alexandria in July 1937 between Jabotinsky and Irgun commander Col. Robert Bitker and chief of staff Moshe Rosenberg. Ze’ev listened, while the two explained the need for indiscriminate retaliation attacks, like the bombing of the Azur coffee house outside Tel Aviv, due to the difficulty of limiting operations to only the “guilty”. See Terror Out of Zion, pages 35-36.

          So I’m not changing the subject when I mention the fact that Zionist Colonialism and Terrorism are not mutually exclusive categories. Russian interlopers like Jabotinsky and Trumpeldor were “up to their eyes” in colonial terrorism in 1920.

        • YOU go off topic and out of our 1920′s time frame

          excuse me for inserting myself in here because i have not been following this conversation in total, but the insertion of the whole “1920′s timeframe”, humped endlessly is and always was a diversion on this thread. this is what trolls do. it’s their job.

          so, we’ve got a hugely popular thread with over 20,000 shares and obviously it can’t just sit there damning israel. so here we are 14 days later and notice the intent of transference of dominating theme of the thread. this is the intent. and now..the idea of “our 1920′s time frame”, when in fact it was inserted (dragged from another thread) into this thread, and now the accusation of diverting from the diversion is going off topic!

          just thought i would mention that in case anyone imagines no one notices. we do.

        • sardelapasti says:

          “Trumpeldor was neither a native or Palestine nor a legal Ottoman subject. He was a demobbed Legionnaire who chose to remain in the Upper Galilee, a political vacuum, in order to protect his fellow Jews…”

          You describe it correctly: a professionally trained mass murderer, intruding and immigrating and “choosing to stay” illegally where he had no business in order to practice his profession of mass killer against the owners of the land, on behalf of invading Prusso- Ashkenaze nationalists.

        • Citizen says:

          @proudzionist777,
          Your link provides one source of what you say happened regarding a single incident at Hebron on August 29, 1929 re what you said about photographs being handed out–this from a single alleged event, from a single book by a single person, which you magically transform into an Arab planned event writ large. In comparison, the Shaw report resulted from an objective hearing with eye witness evidence from both sides as to the massacre and what caused it:
          (From Wiki:) “The aim of the report was to look into the reasons for the violent rioting in Palestine in late August 1929. The commission of enquiry took public evidence for several weeks, from the first hearing on 25 October to 29 December, hearing 120 witnesses in public testimony, and 20 behind closed doors. Though hearing the claims of both sides, the Commission made its recommendations primarily on the basis of material submitted by Mandatory officials[2]
          A survivor mourning in the aftermath of the masscare in Hebron.
          The Commission addressed two aspects of the disturbances, the immediate nature of the riots and the causes behind them. In the words of Naomi COHEN (caps mine):-
          ‘Delving beneath the immediate causes – i.e., the Western Wall dispute, INFLAMMATORY PUBLICATIONS ON BOTH SIDES (caps mine), the enlargement of the Jewish Agency, inadequate forces to maintain order, the report called attention to the underlying causes of friction in England’s wartime pledges and in the anti-Jewish hostility that had resulted from the political and economic frustrations of the Arabs. It went on to criticise the immigration and land-purchase policies that, it said, GAVE JEWS UNFAIR ADVANTAGES (my caps). The commission also recommended that the British take greater care in protecting the rights and understanding the aspirations of the Arabs. The Shaw report was a blow to Zionists everywhere,’[3].”

        • Citizen says:

          Further, re your conclusion to your response to my original comment: “Sounds to me like the 1929 massacre of Jews by Arabs was very well planned.”

          I refer you back to the Shaw Report which plainly said that the root of the Arab uprisings in the 1920s was that the local Arabs at the time were a part of a basically feudal farming system and they found themselves ejected from the land they had farmed for centuries because the remote Arab landowners who sold the land to the new Jews there, relying on the Jewish authorities at the time promising they would not leave the local tenant farmers berift of a way to make a survival living. In short, the Arabs were desperate to survive and nobody was helping them, instead those with power were hindering them by favoring the new Jews. The Shaw Report recommended a change in this policy. That’s the gist of the Shaw Report’s conclusion.

        • citizen, i have not read the shaw report but one would assume the riots were in some way related to the riots occurring just days after the 16th zionist congress met in zurich in august 1929 and the Jewish Agency for Palestine was officially created . A few days after the Sixteenth Congress had closed, riots broke out in Palestine.
          link to bibliotecapleyades.net

          more here on this thread:
          link to mondoweiss.net

          also the 1920 riots happened days before elections in palestine, that arab palestinians had not voice/vote. so i think it is unfair to assume they didn’t know what was happening politically.

        • @Citizen

          The author of the article that discussed the faked photos was a journalist and an eyewitness to the massacre. His name is Van Paassen. He was a Methodist minister as well.

          You believe who you want to believe.

        • Citizen says:

          proudzionist777, yes, you certainly do believe a single eyewitness to the massacre. As I already said, the Shaw Report was based on many more eyewitnesses from both sides, who were subject to cross-examination ( “hearing 120 witnesses in public testimony, and 20 behind closed doors”) unlike Mr Van Paassen, who wrote a book describing the single factual incident you referenced therein. As I also said, there were inflammatory publications produced on both sides leading up to the massacre.

          So, no comment on the conclusions of the Shaw Report as to contextual cause for the Arab uprisings, and as to that Report’s recommendations?

        • Citizen says:

          Trumpeldor died in what is generally recognized as the opening battle in the I-P Conflict in March, 1920. Who started the fight remains unclear to this day: link to en.wikipedia.org

      • @Hostage.

        You say, “The Arabs that clashed with these foreigners died defending their farmland and their country, but Trumpeldor did not”.

        Did they really?
        Not according to the contemporary Chaim Weizman, who told Curzon that the existing hostility toward Jews in the Upper Galilee was caused by French agents eager to derail British claims to parts of Palestine’s northern frontier. See Stein, Land Question,
        pages 36-37.

        • Hostage says:

          Did they really?Not according to the contemporary Chaim Weizman. . . See Stein, Land Question

          *Weizmann was another Russian who had just signed a treaty with the Arabs recognizing their legal competence to establish the definite boundaries between “the Arab State” and Palestine. Balfour also lamented that fact:

          “In our promises with regard to the frontiers of the new Arab States we do not seem to have been more fortunate than in our promises about their independence. In 1915 it was the Sharif of Mecca to whom the task of delimitation was to have been confided, nor were any restrictions placed upon his discretion in this matter, except certain reservations intended to protect French interests in Western Syria and Cilicia.

          –See Nº. 242. Memorandum by Mr. Balfour (Paris) respecting Syria, Palestine, and Mesopotamia’ [132187/2117/44A] link to scribd.com

          Declassified documents have long since revealed that both the British and French violated their agreements regarding Palestine and Arab independence. The Sharif Hussein was only willing to accept Syke’s and Picot’s proposal regarding foreign advisors, subject to the understanding that they were to have no executive powers whatsoever. As far as Hussein was concerned, both the British and French had agreed to the renunciation of the ideas of annexation, permanent occupation, or suzerainty over any part of Syria, Lebanon, or Palestine. See pdf file page 9 of 21 in:
          Former Reference: GT 6185
          Title: British Commitments to King Husein.
          Author: Political Intelligence Department, Foreign Office
          Date November 1918
          Catalogue reference CAB 24/68
          link to nationalarchives.gov.uk
          *The 3rd paragraph of the Sykes-Picot Agreement required the allies to consult with the Sharif of Mecca on the form of government in the brown area of international administration in Palestine.

          The boundaries of Palestine were established on a provisional basis in an “Aide-memoire in regard to the occupation of Syria, Palestine and Mesopotamia pending the decision in regard to Mandates, 13 September 1919″. It was handed by Mr. Lloyd George to M. Clemenceau and placed before the Versailles Peace Conference. It divided the territory between the British, French, and Arab administered OETAs on the basis of the principles of the Sykes-Picot agreement and the Sykes-Picot lines – and it specifically mentioned “the Arab State”. The memo is available in the FRUS and in J. C. Hurewitz collection.

          Palestine was strictly defined as the area actually occupied by the British Army, not the demobilized Legionaries.

        • @Hostage
          @ Citizen

          There goes Hostage trying to bury the truth in an avalanche of distracting material.

          BTW Hostage. Weizman wasn’t alone in suspecting French provocateurs in the Upper Galilee. Meinertzhagen and W.F. Stirling, the Governor of Jaffa District said the same thing. See Barr, James, The Line in the Sand, Chap. 7.

          At least Citizen, not a Zionist, by any stretch, is trying to stay on topic when he admits, “And it looks like proudzionist777 is correct, as reactive Arabs appear to have most of the terrorizing during the 1920s.”

          But Citizen, if you have a timeline source in front of you than can you tell us specifically, what acts of ‘Jew on Arab terror’ occurred during the 1920′s?

        • Citizen says:

          proudzionist777 , why don’t you go to the source I link, after rereading what my earlier comment says?

        • Hostage says:

          There goes Hostage trying to bury the truth in an avalanche of distracting material. . . . At least Citizen, not a Zionist, by any stretch, is trying to stay on topic

          I cite and quote material and provide a link that you can use to confirm what I’ve said. That’s how I expose the truth. If that distracts from your irrelevant myths and hasbara, so be it.

          Citizen’s first response to you cited one of my comments from another thread and said that it had already answered your question. I had also cited Anita Shapira’s book in this thread, “Land and Power: The Zionist Resort to Force 1881-1948. It detailed the use of threats and force against Arab civilians throughout that period to influence their policies toward Zionist colonization and displacement from their lands. That’s the very definition of terrorism.

          In my last comment I only cited and quoted four reliable sources to confirm what Shapira had already explained. The territory in question at Tel Hai was neither under British nor French mandate. It was not part of Palestine on 1 March 1920 at all. On the 8th of March, the Syrian General Congress declared it was part of the Kingdom of Syria. FYI, on 6 January 1920 the Emir Faisal of Hedjaz had initialed an agreement with French Prime Minister Clemenceau which acknowledged “the right of Syrians to unite to govern themselves as an independent nation” But the Arabs knew they were being betrayed by their war time Allies. See Timothy J. Paris, “Britain, the Hashemites and Arab Rule, 1920-1925″, Routledge, 2003, page 64. link to books.google.com

          So let’s review
          1) the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement recognized the competence and the discretion of the Arabs to fix the definite boundaries of Palestine. The Balfour memo confirms that fact.
          2) The Memo on Commitments to King Husein reveald that the British and French advisors were not supposed to have executive powers in the Arab States under the terms of an agreement reached with Sykes and Picot.
          3) The Sykes-Picot Treaty required the French and British to consult the Arabs regarding the government of Palestine.
          4) The Faisal-Clemenceau agreement acknowledged “the right of Syrians to unite to govern themselves as an independent nation”.
          5) The “Aide-memoire in regard to the occupation of Syria, Palestine and Mesopotamia pending the decision in regard to Mandates, 13 September 1919″ defined Palestine strictly on the basis of the territory actually occupied by the British Army after its withdrawal from the Arab OETA.
          6) Shapira wrote that the Zionists and the Legionaries intended to occupy and annex the sources of the Jordan River in Galilee to the Jewish motherland.

        • @Hostage

          Last chance.
          Please cite to the exact page in Shapira’s book which details Jew on Arab terror during the 1920′s.
          And let’s define terror as deliberate, random violence directed at innocents for a political purpose.

        • Hostage says:

          @Hostage Last chance. Please cite to the exact page in Shapira’s book which details Jew on Arab terror during the 1920′s.

          LOL! As I said in the first place, “The Arab Problem” starts on page 40; “Tel Hai as a Defensive Myth” on page 98; the fact that it was all just a propaganda device, on page 130; Jabotinsky’s public demand in 1923 that Arabs be subjugated by force and Jewish colonization carried out behind an Iron Wall of bayonets is at page 158 and footnote material on page 390;

          In “Violence as a Political Method the Emergence of an Extreme Right” on page 194, she notes that Uri Greenburg, Abba Ahimeir, and Yehoshua Yeivin left the Labor Movement in 1928 and were advocating the use of violence against the Arabs for political purposes as the preferred method of action around the time of the 1929 riots. She writes:

          Whoever searches for new components in that ideology will be disappointed. Virtually all the basic ideas that the three preached could be found in the teachings of earlier Zionist thinkers. Ahimir believed the spiritual roots of Betar lay in modern Hebrew literature from Y.L. Gordon, Bialik, Berdichevsky, and Tchernichovsky to Zalman Shneour and Yaakov Cahan.
          . . .
          In the first editorial to appear in the paper of Betar in Palestine, Tel Hai, he [Ahimeir] wrote: “Tel Hai . . . shall remove the fig leaf from the vegetarian opinions of Buberism and Borochovism, revealing them in all of their nakedness.” In one brief sentence he made short shrift of Brit Shalom and the Left, labeling them cowardly pacifists. As I have mentioned there were only a few Pacifists in Palestine; but the adherents of the Labor movement cherished a certain respect for them, mixed with a drop of compassion.

          He rejected the concept of pacifism, regarding it as an expression of a psychological constitution unsuitable for mentally healthy people. “Among us there is far too much expression of an ostentatious humanism and vegetarianism.” He praised the fostering of a cult of militarism, compared Tel Hai to Thermopylae, and made Trumpeldor into a symbol of military virtues, and a promoter of their advancement. Ahimeir viewed militarism and aggressiveness as manifestations of national vitality, the healthy (one of his most popular adjectives) antithesis to the delicate and tender vegetarians, always concerned about ethical considerations and plagued by other inhibitions that had no place in the new Hebrew Nation.

          She goes on to explain that he actually invented the pedagogical strategy of dredging-up “The murder of a Jew in Bethlehem, attacks on the soil of Eretz Israel” as methods of indoctrinating youth. You know, the same nonsensical view of the terrorist colonizers as victims that he propagated after the 1929 chauvinist military parade to the Wailing Wall. It worked as expected and triggered the violence that Ahimeir and his associates have capitalized upon ever since for propaganda purposes. Your link to the nationalist crap fest about Hebron is just the latest example of living perpetually in the past and dwelling on the same old manufactured conflicts. It claims that without Hebron, there can be no Jewish State, but offers no satisfactory explanation other than the author’s militancy and egotistical pride.

  51. Jethro says:

    Sandra has a diary on the rec list at Daily Kos.

    link to dailykos.com

  52. heartbeatt says:

    I hear from more and more people who have been treated this way at Ben Gurion on arrival and when leaving. Some never want to return, even though they have Israeli friends or business connections.
    Whoever chooses Ben Gurion’s security personnel seems to pick particularly nasty, vindictive and sadistic characters to interrogate visitors. They revel in humiliating and demeaning people, all too reminiscent of former East German guards (there are many similarities to East Germany besides the gross wall Israel has built). They also don’t seem to care if they are creating enemies.
    Check out the decision not to allow Arkia, the only Israeli airline flying to Sweden, after Denmark refused to permit Israeli security procedures at its airports… Swedish port refuses to allow Israeli methods of security inspections dictated by Shin Bet, which include ethnic, personal profiling, extensive questioning. link to haaretz.com
    Well, East Germany no longer exists and perhaps one day, inshallah, Jews and Arabs will live together as they did before the Zionists came and brought a new chaos and hatred to the entire Middle East. In the meantime Israelis are leaving the Jewish State in droves. The tragedy is not just that Palestinians are prohibited from leading fulfilling lives, but the lives of young Israelis are being damaged by indoctrination.
    Incidentally, there are people like proudzionist777 on almost every site, blog etc. related to Israel/Palestine. It is a waste of time discussing anything with them because they are only interested in dogma and seem incapable of shifting their attitudes. Besides anyone using the 777, which has a high degree of association with white supremacy and hate groups, is a questionable debating partner…

    • “Besides anyone using the 777, which has a high degree of association with white supremacy and hate groups, is a questionable debating partner…”

      *cue cuckoo clock sound*

  53. Woody Tanaka says:

    “*cue cuckoo clock sound*”

    Really? You’re unaware that “777″ is a neo-Nazi/Christian white supremacist symbol???

    • Citizen says:

      Apparently 777 means different things to different people: link to sites.google.com

      • heartbeatt says:

        …which is why I wrote “a high degree of association with white supremacy and hate groups” – but he may just like the number 7….? Let’s not get sidetracked from more important subject matter.

        • Citizen says:

          heartbeatt–did you read the link I provided? For some reason it doesn’t hot link on MW, but you can just c & p it into your brower url bar and it will take you to the article on 777 and its use, including as part of an internet moniker. The article mentions nothing about white supremacy and hate groups. It does mentions Jewish kaballah and Christian number nut stuff.

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        Yes, it does. And one of them is that it is associated with neo-Nazis/white Supremacists, among others. My only point is that this poster who is saying that heartbeatt is nuts for point is wrong.

  54. heartbeatt says:

    Let’s get some other perspective on this ongoing discussion. Please read “The Arabs and the Holocaust: The Arab- Israeli War of Narratives” by Gilbert Achcar, or listen to him speaking at Chicago University: link to youtube.com

    I think one day most people will see that Achcar’s perspective is just and true. The attempt to put the blame on the Arabs and to portray them as hating Jews is a (well-funded) desperate attempt to justify the wrongdoings since 1948. Of course there were incidents of violence on both sides, but to try and compare them as equal is simply out-of-this world ridiculous and criminal. I don’t think most Americans, in particular, and Europeans (especially Germans) realize how manipulated their viewpoints have been – not to forget the indoctrination of Israelis (well-documented in the films of Eyal Sivan), which has made people like Netanyahu absolutely certain that Jews are threatened everywhere. It has been insidious and very effective. But people are waking up and there is a great thirst for truth and justice (and I include justice for Israelis whose society is being perverted by a right-wing government with neo-fascist tendencies), despite extensive repressive measures.

    • Mooser says:

      “and I include justice for Israelis whose society is being perverted by a right-wing government with neo-fascist tendencies”

      Gosh, who’d a thunk it? And who on earth could have ever expected it. Why, when I think of all the ethno-religious supremacist colonial projects which turned into stable inclusive democracies (and most of those in the midst of even longer occupations and expansionist strategies) and mature societies at peace with themselves and their neighbors, it’s just shocking that this happened at all, that anything went wrong. I mean, Jews would move in, use the indefinite “homeland” promise, kick out the British, and eliminate the Palestinians and take their property. What could possibly go wrong?
      Your entire comment is predicated on making us share an assumption that Israel is something it isn’t. Israel is what it is.