‘Goldstone Report will pale’ next to damage we will do to Lebanon, says senior IDF official

This is what Sparta looks like. Even as everyone talks about an Iran war, Haaretz says that Israel is preparing for another war in Lebanon because of the instability in Syria.

In IDF simulations of what a third Lebanon war would look like, ground maneuvers in villages that are considered bastions of Shiite Hezbollah become particularly important. “The next war will be different, and therefore we should stop it as quickly as possible, in order to make things easier for the home front. This means carrying out a very strong attack against Lebanon, and the damage will be enormous,” says a senior officer in the Northern Command.

“The Goldstone report will pale in comparison to what will be here next time. There is no choice but to fight against the enemy where he is, and that is in the heart of a populated area. “

Thanks to Dan Crowther.

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  1. seafoid says:

    There is no choice but to fight against the enemy where he is, and that is in the heart of a populated area. ”

    All that fighting talk but they don’t like to lose soldiers. And they always do to the Shia of Lebanon. Poor Ron Arad. Is there any news about him?

    • BillM says:

      Exactly, meaning the article’s claims about “ground maneuvers in villages” are nonsense. Rather, there will be massive aerial and artillery fire poured into villages to destroy them, followed by a slow, creeping ground advance once they are sure it is safe. This is the same tactic that was used in Gaza.

      • seafoid says:

        If they try to carpet bomb the Shia villages the IDF HQ, the Kirya in Tel Aviv will be destroyed. And not before time.

  2. seafoid says:

    Hezbollah was founded for the same reason Iran wants nukes. To defend against rancid Israeli militarism. 5 million indoctrinated Ziobots can’t run the region. End of.

    But, you know, the funny thing is that the growth of the Haredi population in Israel is going to mean that mass IDF conscription will more than likely become a thing of the past. Because mostly only the dumb secular Jews serve and these are the ones who will die north of the Litani, not the pale yeshiva boys bent over their Torahs.

    • YoungMassJew says:

      “Because mostly only the dumb secular Jews serve and these are the ones who will die north of the Litani, not the pale yeshiva boys bent over their Torahs.” lol You really have a way with words seafoid :)

    • Citizen says:

      Mmmm, seafoid, I read somewhere recently that more and more orthodox Jews have been entering the IDF for quite awhile now, and their influence in the IDF has been, accordingly, growing like Topsy.

      • seafoid says:

        I think there’s a distinction between the Orthodox and the Haredi or ultra Orthodox – my understanding is that the 2 fastest growing populations in Israel are the 1948 Palestinians and the Haredi and neither are conscripted into the Israel Army.

        A lot of officers now are religious settlers but I don’t think they are Haredi. They are insane however.

    • Netanyahu and Mofaz are working on this now, Seafoid. Via Jerusalem Post: “Netanyahu, Mofaz agree on new c’tee for haredi service” 7/6/2012 link to jpost.com

      • seafoid says:

        Torah 24/7 is great preparation for the real world. Get those Haredi soldiers into Lebanon and face them with Shia women shaking their asses to Nancy Ajram and they’ll run away before she even gets to the first ‘ya habibi”


        link to guardian.co.uk

    • pabelmont says:

      Only Israelis who are invding Israeli soldiers in Lebanon will die in Lebanon, haredi or not, but if HezbAllah retaliates (as might also happen in case of an attack by Israel on Iran), other Israelis might die.

      Some Israelis used to talk about this. I guess it is only people who do not favor war who talk that way.

    • It is not the dumb secular boys that are filling the ranks of Israeli officer school, but national religious Jews.

      To be more accurate: it seems to be a combination of the poor and the national religious, whereas the Tel Aviv rich types are also finding ways to dodge the draft. The haredi are paler than the national religious and might on average be better at studying the Talmud, but the national religious serve and sometimes can study a page of Talmud as well.

      • Theo says:

        Sure, yonah

        Studying the Torah day and night sure builds great mussles to carry out a military operation with 30-40 pounds on your back, climing the hills of Lebanon! We also have those born again christians in our military, running around with a Bible in their clutches.
        I put my bet anytime on sane, down to earth persons, who are not counting on a help from that great Being sitting on the clouds.

        • Theo- I was in Israel during the 73 war when Israel suffered heavy casualties in a 17 day period and it was godless Golda and godless Moshe Dayan who led Israel at the time, so atheism by itself is no proof of competence. I put my bet on people not based upon their religious beliefs, but based upon the content of their character aside from religious belief.

      • seafoid says:

        But the national religious are not haredi, are they?

        I think the NR are not the kind of people you want in your army even if they are very hard working. They are a militaristic cult. G-d doesn’t care about Zionism either. All of this Masada, Mt Herzl, glorification of the fallen crap is really dangerous. What economic value do the NR have in the global economy? Who wants a couple of hundred thousand devotees of a dead cult who never went to university ?

        the zealots who died at Masada were the National religious of their time.

        • Seafoid- The national religious contribute plenty to the global economy, they go to university (probably in comparable numbers to the white Jewish Israelis) and they work. You don’t need to learn about them, because you already know all the answers, even if you happen to be wrong.

  3. kursato says:

    IDF Ranks – Become The Ultimate Virtual Soldier!
    link to idfblog.com

    IDF is recruiting new Hasbarah members, so expect more of these trolls out there…

  4. BillM says:

    This is what Sparta looks like.

    Yes, but more to the point, this is what fear looks like. Read the article. Israel is basically admitting that it cannot defeat Hezbollah and cannot stop Hezbollah from firing on Israel, and so they will simply launch massive attacks against civilian populations. The article makes some spurious claims:

    “There is no choice but to fight against the enemy where he is, and that is in the heart of a populated area. ”

    While it is true that Hezbollah has, of course, fortified the villages and has operations in cities, most of Hezbollah’s mey undergruond strongholds (which Israel had very little success destroying) and rocket launching facilities were in “nature reserves” and other low-population areas. The Israelis don’t even mention these facilities, they only talk about the populated areas.

    A strong threat would be: We attack and defeat Hezbollah no matter where they are. A much weaker threat was actually issued: we will focus on brutally attacking populated areas (and so create a Lebanese and international outcry for ceasefire that will stong Hezbollah’s retaliatory fire).

  5. Mndwss says:

    Map of Israeli bombings of Lebanon July 12 – August 13 2006:

    link to upload.wikimedia.org

    IF Israel does this again…

    THEN i hope for a strong wind from the north that will blow all the bombs back to the agressors!

    Maybe some god could guide all those bombs to the Israeli armories. Israel with all the weapons they have would go up in well deserved flames like a fire in a fireworks factory.

    BOOOM

    Maybe this is the god: “Boreas (Greek: Βορέας, Boréas) was the Greek god of the cold north wind and the bringer of winter. His name meant “North Wind” or “Devouring One” . Boreas is depicted as being very strong, with a violent temper to match.” ?

    link to en.wikipedia.org

    ELSE Give peace a chance.

    END IF

    If-then-else:

    link to en.wikipedia.org

    I am not religious, but my doG (reverse) please let this not happen again:

    link to upload.wikimedia.org
    link to upload.wikimedia.org
    link to upload.wikimedia.org

    All three links are to the same map. And they are all horrible.

    Stop this madness!

    Do not repeat!

  6. YoungMassJew says:

    I remember back during the Second Lebanon War in 2006 when I was an ignorant little kid walking around Boston one night with my family. As we turned the corner from Newbury St towards Copley Square I saw over a hundred protesters waving Hezbollah flags in the square. I thought to myself, how can they allow these Nazi-like people in the square? Don’t people know they are trying to kill Jews? It brought tears to my eyes. I was 16…Boy have I changed. Luckily I re-programmed myself before I could do any damage.

    • Theo says:

      YMJ

      Nice to have you back to the masses of normal human beings!!!
      Copley Sq. used to be my favorit place, Ken´s Delicatessen where we would have breakfast at 1 am after a night of dancing. You are just too young to know that place, Ken has left us a long time ago.

  7. American says:

    Well I’ve had my quota of zionist hubris for today, let Israel go faster and faster, we are all ready for an ending to this.

    ‘Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall’ -Proverbs 16

  8. radii says:

    said with such relish – the hallmark of true cruel, inhumane, despicable despots who love killing

    the thread of supremacy runs through all levels of this story: IDF to crush lesser muslims and lebanese civilians be damned, haredi orchestrating for the secularist jews and less ideological ones to do their fighting for them

  9. ColinWright says:

    “The Goldstone report will pale in comparison to what will be here next time. There is no choice but to fight against the enemy where he is, and that is in the heart of a populated area. “

    The irony is that this is a complete myth. Hezbollah fighters actually avoid populated areas — not necessarily out of humanitarian concerns, but also because such areas are rife with informers.

    In the wake of the last punishment expedition, somebody or other investigated twenty five randomly chosen civilian deaths. Only one of the twenty five had been anywhere near any Hezbollah fighters at the time he was killed.

    Israel will no doubt inflict extensive carnage within populated areas in the next go-round. But it’ll be just because she likes to kill, not because the enemy is there.

    Anyway, it is of course hard on the Lebanese — and particularly on those Lebanese that involuntarily become victims — but there is considerable solace in the fact that every time Israel mounts another one of these forays, she’s dug another shovel load of earth out of her own grave. It’s a prolonged act of national suicide, bloody and unedifying to watch — but leading straight to the end.

    Just so long as Israel hangs tough afterwards. Refuses to admit any wrong doing, etc. We don’t want the borderline Israel-lovers to have an out. I want to see Israel really rub their snouts in it again.

    • seafoid says:

      War in Lebanon is the appropriate Zionist response given that Israel has a PR disaster on its hands. In fact Zionism can only get it up now with the viagra of war.
      Hezbollah has been waiting for this moment. The proxy war between Iran and Israel could end up being fought in Israel.

  10. talknic says:

    It is illegal under the Laws of war to even say you will give the enemy no quarter.

    SECTION II
    HOSTILITIES
    CHAPTER I
    Means of Injuring the Enemy,
    Sieges, and bombardments
    Art. 22.

    The right of belligerents to adopt means of injuring the enemy is not unlimited.
    Art. 23.

    In addition to the prohibitions provided by special Conventions, it is especially forbidden -

    To declare that no quarter will be given;

  11. Roya says:

    1948, 1978, 1982-2000, 2006. Can Israel kindly disappear and leave the region in the peace it enjoyed before it decided to grace the world with its presence?

  12. lysias says:

    Israel didn’t do so well against Hezbollah the last time, did it?

  13. Avi_G. says:

    Had the same words been uttered by Bashaar al-Asad, Khaled Mish’al, or Hasan Nassrallah, the UN security council, the White House and State Department would have issued harsh statements, imposed sanctions, and created a furor around such statements.

    But because of those “Shared Values”®, Israel and its war criminals get away with it.

    • Avi_G. says:

      Oh and the U.S. Congress. Let’s not forget how the U.S. Congress would have passed one resolution after another — most likely by Lieberman, Levin, or Kyl — calling on the president to protect Israel and declaring the above-mentioned actors Terrorists.

  14. ToivoS says:

    What puzzled me about this story is that there is no immediate crisis between Israel and Lebanon. What is motivating Israel to make such hair raising threats now?

    • Are Israel and the United States preparing for a total war in Iran, Syria, and Lebanon?

    • ColinWright says:

      You’re starting to figure it out.

      Israel needs conflict, and she always will. It’s the only thing sufficient to give her national unity.

      • seafoid says:

        I was looking at the Passia diary today. Passia is a Palestinian think tank and the diary has contact details for the whole PA apparatus including embassy information . All of the EU countries have bought into the 2 state paradigm. Theat means they took Israel at face value. Most of them have had diplomatic representatives in Ramallah or El Bireh since the mid 90s. Shamir said it is okay to lie for Erez Israel hashlemah. the goys have figured that out too. And they don’t agree.

        Beating the sh#t out of Lebanon to draw attention away from what is going on in the territories is a trick the Israelis have used once too often.

        Nobody needs a Jewish Sparta.

    • The reality is that the threats have never stopped. The Winograd findings after the July War substantiated that aggression has always been on the table, that even as IDF left in May 2000 their bosses were planning how to strike again. With this latest threat, look to the statement “In the Goldstone Report, the community and the world tended to get confused and think that this can be done in a nicer way. It cannot be nice. Without the use of great force, we will find it difficult to achieve the aim.” Answer what the ‘aim’ is and the puzzle is solved. We should note, too, that these bold threats launched into Israeli media have gone virtually ignored by major Western media outlets. Which begs the old question ‘but if the shoe were on the other foot’…..

  15. Talkback says:

    If innocent Lebanese get killed and their houses get destroyed on purpose than what’s the difference to Hamas? What’s the difference to the persecution of innocent Jews? I’m afraid if they continue like this, Jews will be less safe around the world.

  16. Taxi says:

    Hahahaha that sounds like the threat of the frightened to me!

    I expect the Apartheid israelis will be needing, again, Palestinian firemen to help them put out the numerous fires in Tel Abib soon as the first bullet is fired by whomever.

    Hahahaahaa sorry but I gotta laugh s’more hahahahahha!

    Oh and by the way, I predict the liberation of Al Jaleel/Galilee by hizbollah soon as the first bullet is fired.

    • seafoid says:

      This would be a great soundtrack to the rockets flying to knock out the Kirya

      • Taxi says:

        Hahahaha seafoid shukrun for your choice of war music.

        On a serious note, hizballah promised to put boots on the ground, both military and civilian, to liberate the Galilee if israel tries again to eff with their bucolic villages.

        Zionists are coward freaks who’ve fought every one of their wars riding on the shoulders of either the french, the brits and now the usa. They know there’s a heavy price from here on for their murderous berserking ‘missions’. I say let them sacrifice Tal Abib for Bint J’bail.

        • Eitan says:

          These sort of comments advocating for missile war against Tel Aviv are not moral and should be avoided.

        • Taxi says:

          Occupation and land theft “should be avoided”, my dear. Threatening the Lebanese with military attacks on their civilian targets “should be avoided”, my dear. Zionism “should be avoided”, my dear.

  17. “The Goldstone report will pale in comparison ” This admission itself is the proof of a war crime. This brag and arrogance coming from the perpetrator is symtomatic of a much wider berakdown in international checks and balances, lack of UN’s effectiveness against ethnocentric violence and abject accecptance of the very ideas rejected in Nuremberg.

  18. “The Goldstone report will pale in comparison ” It only confirms that some tribe understands force and worships force . It also confirms that what the initial report pointed to i.e that there was war crime against a defnselss population in 2009 .

  19. This man with his peers have been immersed and baptised in the virtues of waging preemtive war in the middle of populated areas where baby is born and children are raised. That is exactly what King’s Torah wanted.