An article by Yoav Borowitz in Hebrew Haaretz, translated by Sol Salbe on his facebook page. Salbe says if you ever need an example of “hafrada,” or separation, this is it:
However, a very large community will not be part of this celebration, a community that in effect has not been part of the Olympic celebration for eight consecutive Olympics. Zero Arab athletes represent Israel in London. Zero, even though the Arabs in Israel number 1.67 million people, approximately 20.5 per cent of the population. In all of its years of existence Israel has been represented by 338 athletes in 19 different Olympics. But only two Arab-Israelis have been privileged to participate in Olympic delegations – soccer star Rifat Turk (Montreal, 1976) and weightlifter Edward Maron (Rome, 1960).
This topic has never come up on the public agenda in Israel. Sports ministers have never said a word about it, nor have the heads of national Olympic Committee, or even the media or elected officials ever uttered a word about it. Amazingly, no one can even recall Arab Israelis raising the issue, as if they expect to be excluded from official delegations that represent the state
yeah, but uncle sam will be running a wacko evangelical in the marathon
I have a colleague who believes the armageddon baloney (have changed his opinion of “Israel” though) and has just had his third child. I asked him what’s the point of having children only for them to die soon (he believes armageddon will be soon) and his response was “to be with Jesus in heaven”. I mean honestly!
“I have a colleague who believes the armageddon baloney…”
Really? You can see inside his head and know what he believes, how he believes it and in which contexts?
Me, I know what people make a pretext of believing (they have a habit of telling you), and sometimes I can even know why they make that pretext. But “know” what they believe? Nope.
You’re either a very lucky, preternaturally perceptive man, or you are just aching to be taken.
“I asked him what’s the point of having children only for them to die soon (he believes armageddon will be soon) and his response was “to be with Jesus in heaven”.”
See what I mean? Now he knows what he can get away with. In terms of crap-sowing. That’s a valuable thing to know.
Really? No Palestinians? How is it surprising that the Israeli team is comprised of Israelis? As for the supposed scandal that there are no ethnic ARABS on the team, someone would have to put forth the names of Arabs that should have been on the team but were excluded.
There was a discussion on how there were no women on the Saudi Arabian Olympic team, and nobody brought up any female athletes who were actively being excluded. It’s a question of how much resources are devoted to developing athleticism In different demographics. If there are no Arab athletes on the team, why? Is it a question of lack of resources for Arab athletes in Israel? Wouldn’t that indicate that there is discrimination amongst who gets what resources in Israel?
If you want to flip it back on the US, then yes there is a system of discrimination amongst where our resources are funneled to.
MLE, it is unacceptable that there are no patriotic Israeli Arab citizens on the olympic team. There needs to be aggressive affirmative action over many decades to rectify this.
Your Hasbara is at least a decade old. You need to get the newer version.
Calling the Palestinian citizens of Israel “Ethnic Arabs” is outright ludicrous. But you’re no stranger to ludicrous propaganda.
So what is the ethnicity of an “Israeli”?
So what is the ethnicity of an “Israeli”?
Well of course, that varies by the individual. No different than every other country in the world.
Really yet you box the Palestinian natives as being Arab aliens who I may add have no other citizenship, they ARE of that land. Kind of fell into the trap there.
“Kind of fell into the trap there.
He’s too stupid to know it, so what’s the use, of even setting it? It isn’t like Phil is going to ban any Habaratchniks, even for repeated offenses against the commenting rules. Sometimes I do wonder if Phil is trying to make Jews look as bad as possible. I mean, somebody who would even mention the letter he got from his Mom’s friend. By now she’s probably called his Mom saying: “Do you know what your son said about me in his awful blog”
i thought it was a good ending. element of surprise. do better
“do better”
And you will. Don’t worry, you will. Better than you ever thought possible.
Here is the continuation of the
article
“Sport is indeed the closest thing to meritocracy only one’s ability counts. Had there been a good enough Arab athlete meeting the Israeli and international criteria, she or he would certainly be representing Israel in London. But it is clear that the absence of such an such athlete is not indicative of the lack of talent or the zeal to train hard within the Arab community as far as sport is concerned. The root of the problem is that there are no facilities, coaches or infrastructure for almost any sport in any Arab village or town. The only area in which little money, and a lot of goodwill, is invested is soccer. So today 15 per cent of Premier League footballers are Israeli Arabs.”
So indeed there is a problem that there aren’t enough Arab athletes
that meet the Olympic criteria which is the states responsibility.
Btw the investments in sports in Israel are notoriously low so the
Arab sector are in a “good” company here since the Jewish athletes
always suffer from the lack of funds from the state.
There are Arab athletes that play for the national soccer team.
Soccer is the most popular sport among the Arab population of Israel (Jewish as well)
and it does produce large numbers of gifted athletes (soccer is supported by the private sector for a large part).
I would also like to add the any Arab athlete representing Israel in the Olympics
would get tons if flak from the Arab representatives in the Knesset.
This article condemns Israel for the lack of Arab athletes in it’s Olympics team.
But if there were any then
this very site would accuse Israel in an attempt to “sportwash” it’s
crimes against the Palestinians by adding token Arab athletes to it’s national team.
A nice win win situation isn’t it…
I see you are a war criminal as it states you engaged in the Cast Lead massacre on your profile. But I digress, in fact it should be ample reason for Israel to be banned from ALL sporting events like Apartheid South Africa was and Saudi Arabia should be for not allowing female athletes in case you claim I am using “double standards” with Israel. If in 19 Olympics only 2 athletes have been Arab then it must be because of blatant racism, no other explanation is possible.
petersz,
Accusing Oleg, of being a “war criminal”, without, I assume, a shred of evidence, is a serious matter. If you have evidence -let’s see it. If not you should retract. It also reflects on Mondoweiss, which allows “war criminals” to post here.
Moderators : “no personal attacks”, right?
/Moderators : “no personal attacks”, right?/
I wouldn’t bother jon s
you would be surprised at the amount
of new and fascinating things i have learned about myself from the kind commentators of this site.
Ad hominem is the bread an butter for a lot of people here
it’s easy and you don’t have to deal with the opponent arguments
It says on his profile he was a “Cast Lead participant”. If that’s true then its likely he is a war criminal.
There is no way to be a “Cast Lead participant” and NOT be a war criminal.
I am confused. Oleg, how do you square committing crimes against humanity with being a humanist? So is the earth flat now? How many people do you reckon you’ve murdered?
Did the US commit war crimes in Vietnam? Yes.
Are all Vietnam vets war criminals? I don’t think so.
“War criminal” is a serious , defamatory, accusation, and should not be tossed around offhand, as you did.
vietnam was a war, gaza was a massacre. big dif
that said, a lot of vietnam vet are war criminals. they know who they are, or they should.
Annie Robbins, were the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) and North Vietnamese Politburo war criminals? Where the ARVN and South Vietnamese government leaders war criminals? Laos government? Cambodian government?
By your definition, is there any country in the world that doesn’t serially and continually commit war crimes (via domestic police action)?
Actually, I don’t see the difference (aside from not agreeing to your defining Gaza as a massacre).
A war crime is a war crime, whether it’s committed in the course of a prolonged war or a relatively brief operation.
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Come back after work, when there will be nobody here to help you.
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“Ad hominem is the bread an butter for a lot of people here
it’s easy and you don’t have to deal with the opponent arguments”
Oleg, translated into English: ‘I make the same stupid, easily disproved, fantastical and bigoted arguments every day, yet no on will take me seriously! I’m gonna tell the Moderators on you! ‘
Hey, Oleg, baby, I was kidding about all that “Moderation Suite” stuff. There’s only one Moderator, and he’s a very unusual fellow! Weighs 1500 lb. is the largest member of his family, and his magnificent palmate antlers (when still firmly attached) spread up to six feet!
So you can guess how much slack he’s gonna cut you. After all, slack forms a major part of my diet, and I need it for myself.
And who likes a whiny punk? No matter what his ostensible religion?
Mooser,
How do you apply to be a certified Mondoweiss moderator?
What are the qualifications?
I’m a pretty moderate guy.
I’m a pretty moderate guy.
ithought you were a zionist? zionism and moderation are like oil and water.
LOL Mooser. Not only do you crack me up but you’ve also expanded my formerly non-existent Yiddish vocabulary.
“I’m a pretty moderate guy.”
Jons, it takes men, real men and women, fully matured adults, with working brains, to get coveted positions or internships in The Moderators.
You couldn’t meet the initial prerequisites, so no perquisites for you, little guy.
“LOL Mooser. Not only do you crack me up but you’ve also expanded my formerly non-existent Yiddish vocabulary.”
I threw away my opportunity to become fluent and literate in Yiddish, but this can help. And there are others on the web. You know what the song says; “brush up your Yiddish, and they’ll all kow-tow”!
I’m one of the posters around here who supports finding a way to achieve peace through compromise and co-existence. Yeah, I’m the moderate.
“I’m one of the posters around here who supports finding a way to achieve peace through compromise and co-existence. Yeah, I’m the moderate.”
Shorter “jon s”: ‘The Zionists stole it, fair and square! Why shouldn’t they keep it?’
I know, jon s, I know: San Remo, the Bible. The Holocaust, Christmas decorations.
Try this, the Yiddish Godfather:
link to youtube.com
““I’m one of the posters around here who supports finding a way to achieve peace through compromise and co-existence. Yeah, I’m the moderate.”
Well gosh, Johnny-boy, that speaks very well of you! Now, how will you get Israel to agree to that? And when, sonny, has Israel ever shown the slightest predeliction for “peace through compromise and co-existence”?
You know “jon s” (as if that is your real name!), I’m a wonderful guy, too. I’m in favor of magic unicorns bringing everybody sacks of gold and a new scrap of…. whoops, a new car. Open your window “jon s” (ha!) they should be flying in with the keys and cash any time now.
“I’m one of the posters around here who supports finding a way to achieve peace through compromise and co-existence. Yeah, I’m the moderate.”
For the non-English speakers, the Israeli Hebrew translation is: “We keep everything we’ve stolen, pay no reparations, submit to no outside control, and you want a compromise? Okay, we won’t kill all of you”
Mooser, love conquers all. Let the truth set us free.
And the scary part is that he’s a history teacher, teaching the next generation of Israelis the very hasbara he advertises on this site. And he’s on the “Left.” Well if I had any hope for the “Israeli Left” it is gone now.
Don’t lose hope Roya. There are many Israelis with open warm hearts and character. There are good people who live in Israel.
Similarly there are good people who live in Palestine
Roya, It’s “scary” that I favor peace and co-existence? What exactly are you scared of?
Mooser, (as if that’s your real name…)
What’s with the “sonny”, “johnny” …? I may be older than you…
Seriously, what’s the alternative to seeking peace through co-existence and compromise? Do you have a better idea?
I realize that I’m not on the same wave-length as the Israeli gov’t, which is why I support the Left opposition. I don’t speak for the gov’t.
“I’m one of the posters around here who supports finding a way to achieve peace through compromise and co-existence. Yeah, I’m the moderate.”
Uh huh. Why do I have a feeling I’ve heard this patter before?
So you’re a ‘moderate’ who is ‘for compromise.’ So say if a two-state solution were agreed to, what proportion of Palestine do you reckon the Palestinians would be entitled to?
Two-thirds? Half? One third? Surely not only a fifth? Less?
Yeah. You’re for compromise. Dollars to doughnuts you never answer my question directly.
The accepted, practical basis for the 2 state solution is the pre-1967 borders.
Possible changes to those lines should be negotiated by the parties.
Do I get dollars or doughnuts?
jon s, I am not saying that you are right or wrong.
Some decent honorable Palestinians (though not a majority) believe that the borders should be based on the UN proposed 1948 partition lines with territory swaps of equal quality rather than based on the 1967 borders.
How would you respond to these Palestinians?
Do you believe Israel should offer Palestine a Marshall Plan as part of a final two state solution settlement? I strongly believe Israel should do this. And raise taxes and slash social spending to pay for it.
Anan,
The 1947 partition lines are a non-starter. I can’t elaborate because I would be seen as violating Article 2 of the Comments Policy.
Yes I think that Israel should assist the Palestinian State, together with the international community . I don’t know about raising taxes and slashing social spending. It won’t do the Palestinians any good to bankrupt ourselves.
OlegR July 21, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Your cut and paste
//“The root of the problem is that there are no facilities, coaches or infrastructure for almost any sport in any Arab village or town. The only area in which little money, and a lot of goodwill, is invested is soccer. So today 15 per cent of Premier League footballers are Israeli Arabs.”//
“this very site would accuse Israel in..”
Mindless speculation is fun eh? You’re so good at it. Step 1) 1st speculate Step 2) speculate some more based on the first speculation. In such a way, monumental conclusions can be drawn. AMAZING how bullsh*te works isn’t it!!
The mindless speculation is in the article
“Amazingly, no one can even recall Arab Israelis raising the issue, as if they expect to be excluded from official delegations that represent the state”
And to say this site wouldn’t accuse Israel of “sportwashing” in the case Oleg points out goes beyond mindless speculation towards total misdirection.
Oleg, commenting here is pointless – withdraw.
“Oleg, commenting here is pointless – withdraw.”
You’re right. It’s not all that hard to see through his BS.
I wouldn’t call it completely pointless
there some here worth debating, not many granted,
but there are some.
“Oleg, commenting here is pointless – withdraw.”
Why, “Mayhem”? You got something more effective than commenting? You got another way to get at the site or its staff, or commenters? Tell us about it, big shot. If I were you, I’d keep commenting. It’s all you got, and it might make you feel better. Not that I believe for one second you need Mondoweiss to get the ziocaine flowing. No doubt, like lovemaking, you can do it for yourself.
below the belt
“below the belt”
You’re right! Where the hell is The Moderators? “The Birds” is coming!
“This article condemns Israel for the lack of Arab athletes in it’s Olympics team.
But if there were any then
this very site would accuse Israel in an attempt to “sportwash” it’s
crimes against the Palestinians by adding token Arab athletes to it’s national team.
A nice win win situation isn’t it…”
Bingo.
Well, when you’re in a lose-lose situation of your own making, it should tell you something…
“This article condemns Israel for the lack of Arab athletes in it’s Olympics team. But if there were any then this very site would accuse Israel in an attempt to “sportwash” it’s crimes against the Palestinians by adding token Arab athletes to it’s national team. A nice win win situation isn’t it…”
The irony is that they would be right in both cases.
“A nice win win situation isn’t it…”
I am glad you are starting to understand exactly what:
a) Mondoweiss can do.
b) the lose-lose situation Zionism has put us in.
Naturally, you’re kvetching about the unfairness of it all, but didn’t your parents and if they weren’t around (God Forbid, of course) didn’t the Rabbi tell you life wasn’t fair?
But yes, Zionism has played so many sides of the fence, it’s vulnerable from many angles. That’s what happens.
But don’t worry, the oligarchs and major political and military figures will ske-daddle when the time comes, and leave you to soak up the consequences. But you’ll have the satisfaction of knowing your sacrifice has made it possible for elite Askenazi bloodlines to continue. Sucker!
>> This article condemns Israel for the lack of Arab athletes in it’s Olympics team. But if there were any then this very site would accuse Israel in an attempt to “sportwash” it’s crimes against the Palestinians by adding token Arab athletes to it’s national team.
Good point. But if Israel were a secular, democratic and egalitarian state of and for all Israelis, equally, none of this would be an issue at all.
Unfortunately, Israel is instead an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and Jewish supremacist state; born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands; and maintained and expanded by means of a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder.
No amount of indignation – fake or genuine – changes that fact.
eljay repeating a lie does not make it truth no matter how much you
do it.
You used to have more substance in your comments not it’s this over and over.
>> … repeating a lie does not make it truth …
Coming from a Zio-supremacist, this is very amusing. :-)
Anyway, I’m not repeating a lie, I’m telling it like it is. Or did I miss the part where, among other things, Israel ceased to be a supremacist Jewish state and became instead a secular, democratic and egalitarian state for all its citizens, equally; and it dismantled its wall and all of its settlements and pulled back completely to within its 1948 borders?
Didn’t think so.
“You used to have more substance in your comments not it’s this over and over.”
Complain to The Moderators, big shot.
Where is your evidence that Palestinians in the Israeli squads would be called ‘sportswashing’ ? Mere idle speculation which avoids the issues you prefer not to address, such as the deliberate impoverishment and lack of equal opportunity of Palestinians inside Israel, not to mention the daily discrimination and racism they suffer. That is what is reflected in the Israeli squads.
“Where is your evidence that Palestinians in the Israeli squads would be called ‘sportswashing’”
For what it’s worth, I would say it immediately, and go on saying it until proved wrong. But it won’t be. A regime like Zionism must grasp ostensible political advantage from anything it can. The burden, by their own ideology, is on Israel to prove their Olympic team is not some kind of political show.
After all, what’s more important, the survival of the Jewish people or some Gentile sports event? Only an anti-Semite would subordinate sport to the needs of th Jewish people! Who, I might remind you, are on the verge of being extinguished, and you wanna worry about who is on a sports tem?
In this case, the Israelis decided a “racially pure” (quoting Adof Hitler, of course) Olympic team will be a political boon, probably to show “Israeli” excellence.
” But if Israel were a secular, democratic and egalitarian state of and for all Israelis, equally, none of this would be an issue at all.”
But just as Christmas just wouldn’t be Christmas without Santa Claus, Israel just wouldn’t be Israel without Jewish supremacy.
Picture armed Arab soldiers enforcing an Arab judge’s demolition order on an illegally-built Jewish home. If you can’t, you can’t imagine a ‘secular, democratic and egalitarian’ Israel.
ColinWright, I don’t believe this is correct. Israelis practicing justice would be a truer Israel . . . in keeping with Israel’s own values and true nature.
Why wouldn’t Palestinian Israeli citizen IDF officers enforce the rulings of Palestinian Israeli citizen judges?
People said that such a thing couldn’t happen in America with blacks, but it did. People said such a thing couldn’t happen in Iraq with Shia and Kurds, but it did. People said such a thing couldn’t happen with Turkish Kurds but it did. It can happen in Israel too. Those who love Israel should fight to make it happen.
“as if they expect to be excluded from official delegations that represent the state”
No duh, Yoav. I wonder maybe it’s cuz your people did something to them? And perhaps it could be linked to the fact that even as a purportedly progressive Zionist you refuse to recognize them as a people (“Zero Arab athletes,” “Arab-Israelis,” “Arabs in Israel”)?
Get a mirror, Borowitz.
I wonder if our resident zionists can name the top 20 most prominent Arab Israelis and what they’re famous for? Or 10? List 10 Arab Israelis that mostly all Israelis would be able to recognize
Ahmad Tibi KM (Knesset Member)
Muhamamd Barake KM
Azmi Bshara KM (and a Hizbollah spy :)) (There are more well known KM but i’ll stop)
Zohir Bahalul (Sports commentator)
Said Kashua a great columnist screen writer and novelist.
Mohammad Bakri (a good artist and actor and a lousy propagandists for the Palestinians)
Mira Awad – singer
Mahmoud Darwish – Poet
Rifat Turk – famous soccer player
Salim Jubran – High Justice Judge
Salim Dau – actor movie and theater.
Norman Issa – actor TV.
Yusuf Suweid – actor .
Abbas Suan – soccer player.
Salim Tuame – soccer player.
Valid Badir – soccer player.
Oleg: As long as they don’t question the “Jewish state” in any shape or form. Apartheid South Africa was the same. In fact those of color even voluntarily joined the Apartheid Defense Force as the wages and benefits were good.
Blake you know nothing of these people their opinions beliefs actions etc.
Ignorance is not a virtue.
The Arab MKs of the Knesset are very zealous in attacking the very legitimacy of the Jewish State, taking full advantage of their position to harm Israel from within. I could make a long list of inflammatory comments and anti-Israel conducts displayed by these champions of Palestinians rights. Nevertheless, they are still there, despite their open incitement and deeds intended to harm the cohesion of the state. This only thanks to the fact that Israel is a democracy, strong enough to contain such destabilizing elements in its midst, even if sitting in the highest legislative body of the country.
But there are also initiatives in the Arab-Israeli political field that oppose such a destructive policy, and at least this is a sign of hope:
link to news.jonzu.com
>> The Arab MKs of the Knesset are very zealous in attacking the very legitimacy of the Jewish State …
There’s nothing legitimate about an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state. If “Arab MKs” were to attack the legitimacy of a secular, democratic and egalitarian Israeli state – a state of and for all Israelis, equally – that would be something to get worked up about.
There’s nothing legitimate about an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state.
The systematic use of falsely axiomatic, tautological and inflammatory wording doesn’t add any substantial value to your points. Actually, it devalues them.
jonah, speaking of points, claiming someone’s (self evident) argument or opinion is false sans an iota of evidence makes for a weak argument. israel is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state. it’s worth repeating imho. over and over and over if need be.
besides, i think people are finally realizing the whole democracy lingo is just that, lingo. plus, the ‘share our values’ narrative is increasing becoming harder for many americans to swallow. this is creeping into the mainstream.
repeating lies devalues an argument and the integrity of the person making them but the same can’t be said for repetition of the truth.
if you want to argue the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist, supremacist state of israel has legitimacy..just do it, don’t take the lazy way out.
israel is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state. it’s worth repeating imho. over and over and over if need be.
Repeating a lie over and over doesn’t make it the truth.
Anyway, rather than engaging in a long and probably sterile discussion on the above demagogic terms, I prefer to refer to a comment made by a person who, from personal experience, has the means to discern truth from lies – despite the fact that he lent himself to the anti-Israeli front in the UN to chair an inquiry whose report was proved inaccurate and biased, as he later admitted.
link to nytimes.com
>> The systematic use of falsely axiomatic, tautological and inflammatory wording …
All I did was state the facts. All you do is continue to advocate for a supremacist state. Talk about devaluing your points…
I mean really. They are not united with their people, they have had the land they owned legally confiscated and have all sorts of laws and discrimination against them. What have they gained by you impostors occupying what is rightfully theirs and keeping their brethren oppressed for over 6 decades without any basic human rights? Boy karma won’t be kind.
As far as I know, other than token inclusions, non-whites were formally excluded from sports at the national level in South Africa. Nonetheless, in a display of the multicultural, multiracial society that South Africa is trying to become now, a bearded Muslim cricketer of Indian background today became the first South African to score 300 runs in test match cricket, the highest form of the game. This is remarkable given the particular South African legacy of racism in cricket and the wider history of less formal discrimination against non-whites in the past.
You made some typos Jonah, but don’t worry I am kind enough to correct them for you:
I am very altruistic so don’t ever feel obligated to return the favor.
Annie (hi long time no talk) when your claims about Israel (or whatever) are axiomatic
(it’s bad bad bad through and through) then i agree it’s pretty hard
to have a dialog.
“Actually, it devalues them.”
Don’t forget to e-mail the site Oleg, when his word loses all value, so he can be banned. And don’t cheat and do it when he’s still got 1 or 2% of his value left. You know how eager the moderaters are to obey your every order.
Well, I think your corrections show clearly enough that you’ve lerned your lesson pretty well, even better than the Arab MKs in the Knesset. My congratulations. As for the apartheid-topos please ask fellow Goldstone (now ex-fellow indeed), he knows better ….
“The systematic use of falsely axiomatic, tautological and inflammatory wording doesn’t add any substantial value to your points. Actually, it devalues them.”
The systematic use of big words doesn’t add any value to your points either.
BTW eljay, if the terminology here commonly used to define Israel corresponds to the facts, as you state, so how shall we then describe regimes like those of Hamas, Hezbollah, Assad, Iran and others?
Some particular rhetorical device is here needed … What about: ultraoppressive, superterrorist, hypersupremacist, megaexpansionist?
Sounds cool, yes? ;-))
>> BTW eljay, if the terminology here commonly used to define Israel corresponds to the facts, as you state, so how shall we then describe regimes like those of Hamas, Hezbollah, Assad, Iran and others?
Do what I do: Stick to the facts.
By the way, I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but Hamas, Hezbollah and Assad aren’t actually states.
“Ignorance is not a virtue.”
Okay big shot, then you explain what the Israeli Zionist education system does.
“The systematic use of falsely axiomatic, tautological and inflammatory wording doesn’t add any substantial value to your points. Actually, it devalues them.”
8, 16, or 35mm? New NEC digital, or old Bell & Howell?
By the way, I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but Hamas, Hezbollah and Assad aren’t actually states.
Ok, do I understand you correctly that you are very critical of states, especially of Israel, but rather lenient on terrorist groups and oppressive regimes, such as those mentioned above? That would explain why your “facts” can not stand objective scrutiny of reality.
Fuji x100
obviously
“You made some typos Jonah, but don’t worry I am kind enough to correct them for you:”
So which is it Jonah? You re-type material and insert mistakes to make it look like it’s your own, or is it that you don’t even know how to copy and paste?
“…I prefer to refer to a comment made by a person who, from personal experience, has the means to discern truth from lies – despite the fact that he lent himself to the anti-Israeli front in the UN to chair an inquiry whose report was proved inaccurate and biased, as he later admitted.
link to nytimes.com “
Let me guess (and I didn’t cheat by clicking on the link). This is a reference to Richard Goldstone, who was shamelessly bullied into retracting his statements by threats of social ostracism.
(Colin goes to check link). Hey, lookit that! I was right! That really was a new low — even for the Zionists — wasn’t it? Goldstone is forced to publically crawl — or no more grand-nephews’ bar Mitzvahs, etc. It was really odious. Just print a retraction in The Times and we’ll let you back into the fold.
It occurs to me that I should be thankful I’m not Jewish. It must be really vicious to be trapped like this. I suppose it would be like if someone gave me a choice between forswearing criticism of Israel and being parted from my precious beer or something.
Mmm…beer. (Colin wanders off).
oleg: Found this doc (maybe you won’t speak for them again and hypocritically tell me I know nothing of them yet you as an oppressor do):
The Owners of the Land
link to youtube.com
Yeah Oleg, Wikipedia is nice isn’t it?
I vaguely recall Israel maneuvering some Palestinian swimmer off their team a few months ago.
…sorry, no details. It just didn’t strike me as especially important. Of course, had I known how important it was for Israel to field an all-Jewish squad, I would have attached more significance to it.
You mean this guy
Juan Kopty
He represented Israel in the European championship.
Regarding the Olympics afaik he didn’t met the minimum criteria that’s why isn’t going.
link to ynetnews.com
Well, you’ve got me at a disadvantage here.
On the one hand, your piece doesn’t talk about why he wasn’t selected for the Olympic team. On the other hand, while I vaguely recall some sort of machinations to keep him off the team, I can neither recall precisely what they were not recall the source.
In the end it does not really matter sports wise, our swimming team
does not amount to much by international standards if the guys was
really good he would have been on the team.
The whole Israeli sports issue is pretty sad without adding to it the whole
weight of the I/P conflict.
The only reliably good sports team in Israel is Maccabi Tel Aviv
basketball team which is privately funded and like most of the European
teams relies heavily on american legionnaires that didn’t cut it in the NBA.
There’s the sailing and wind-surfing, and the judo.
Also Alex Shatilov, the gymnast.
His father claims it is solely because of Israeli discrimination that he isn’t going:
link to jewishsportsblog.com
Nothing to do with minimum criteria, he was faster than his rivals.
Being faster then rivals does not mean meeting the Olympic criteria
which is standard all over the world.
Your link refers to old news he appealed to the court of the sports
association and was included in the team going to the European championship.
As far as i could tell the guy had some kind of a beaf with National
swimming team coach.Over what i have no idea.
He didn’t back up the discrimination claims by anything concrete afaik
(racist remarks or something) an like i said he was included in the
European championship team.
One suspects that Israel would not want a Palestinian to win an Olympic medal in any case. If he’s fast, that’s all the more reason to keep him off the team.
Wow I had no idea. Not good at all.
Israel should impose affirmative action to force more Palestinians into Israeli High School, College, tertiary, secondary and primary sports leagues. Especially basketball.
“Israel should impose affirmative action to force more Palestinians into Israeli High School, College, tertiary, secondary and primary sports leagues.”
Yeah there’s no other way to get those lazy natives going, huh? Gotta “force” them?
“Wow I had no idea.”
But “anan” (it is to laugh) you are always writing in telling us what a “great”, “free” “wonderful” and “democratic” place Israel is. And in truth, you are ignorant of the most basic facts about Israel? Why would you do something like that? We had another guy here who did stuff like that. His name was Richard Witty. Maybe you could ask him (you’ll find him at his blog, “Liberal (it is to laugh) Zionism”) for facts about Israel.
Of course “anan” you could always complain to The Moderators. I bet they would love to hear from you.
When you’ve last visited Israel, Mooser? Have you ever been to Israel?
Based on what you speak about Israel, cynically pontificating from your comfortable chair somewhere in the U.S.? Perhaps based on what you find on Mondoweiss? Mondoweiss is so self-referential and self-serving as you, have you not noticed yet?
I surprised nobody has mentioned the campaign to have a minute of silence at the games to remember those athletes murdered in Munich. Why now, I ask?
An astonishing piece of hasabra appeared in the Irish Independent yesterday link to bit.ly complete with a set of organised commenters. Inexplicably, comments are already closed. It has been given the Twitter treatment too.
The Guardian also reports link to gu.com that the EU is upgrading its relations with Israel. An unnamed diplomat states that nobody is prepared to stick their neck out here despite public opinion throughout the EU that ties should be reduced until Israel accepts international laws and conventions.
This violates article 2 of the EU’s Association Agreement with Israel.
I just don’t get the love the Sindo has for Israel. It makes no sense.
Eilis whatshername who also writes for the Sindo was moaning last year about Trócaire and Zochrot.
Small town businesspeople in rural Ireland have nothing in common with Israel.
Carol Hunt should stick to writing about middleclass people with cashflow issues.
Um, does anyone notice a flag on Google’s Olympic-themed search page for today?
link to google.com
Why would they do that?
@W. Jones link to 2.bp.blogspot.com