Below is the new map from Visualizing Palestine. This simple bus map shows how connected both sides of the green line actually are. From the map it’s clear the path of the separation wall is meant as an annexation line and the bus routes clearly delineate how the the Israeli-only roads in the occupied territories are used to seamlessly connect the settlements with Israeli cities west of the wall. A few weeks ago Michael Freund celebrated the settlement enterprise in the Jerusalem Post by exclaiming, “kiss the Green Line goodbye.” This map shows you why.
Sam Bahour comments on the Visualizing Palestine site how the map also implicates the Israeli government:
Speaks volumes about how the settlement enterprise thrives from Israeli state services…settlement products are one thing, but Israeli services to settlements are the EXACT same thing!
(Click on the image below to view it larger.)



Apartheid is when Jews in the West Bank have buses to Jerusalem and non Jews are not even allowed into Jerusalem.
There is some great graphic and video work coming out of Palestine these days.
Did you mean to say “Israelis in the West Bank have buses to Jerusalem…”? And I believe that 100s of thousands non Jews are allowed into Jerusalem.
So apartheid is when Israelis have buses to Jerusalem and non-Israelis do not.
Look Ma, a new one.
It could have something to do with all the times Palestinians have blown up civilian buses.
“It could have something to do with all the times Palestinians have blown up civilian buses.”
And how bad have you people oppressed them to drive them to want to blow up your buses? Normal people would have said, “Hmmm, maybe we should not treat them as badly as we do and steal their land and murder their children.” But not you zios.
These are not his people Woody. Fredblogs is an American, and has been brainwashed to believe that Israelis are “his” people.
This guy is not different than the 19 hijackers of 9-11: weakminded and easily manipulated.
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You might be on to something.
Excellent Fred. Apply that standard to yourself and your fellow fascist, racist, ethno-religious supremacists.
The violence you describe has been inflicted by your apartheid, Orwellian nightmare of a ‘Western-style liberal democracy’ in the desert so to speak, several magnitudes more upon the Palestinian people for the entirety of this conflict.
Not only when Israel was firmly viewed as the dominating occupying power but also when your racist / fascist ideology was mucking around raping Palestinian mothers and daughters (while killing the fathers) and blowing up marketplaces and taxi cabs and all the rest.
There is a continual trend in Israelo/Zionist brutality and criminality as well as intellectual dishonesty.
You and whatever the hell generation you hail from are a sad testament to that Big Lie that Israel is the victim in this conflict, even as it steals, murders, rapes, etc. – from the 1940s to the 2000s.
The Palestinians should thus be allowed to force all Jews through checkpoints, have all Jews implanted with some form of ID / GPS monitoring device, as well as a system of bureaucratic quagmires designed to stifle any kind of meaningful Jewish nationalism in the region by way of institution building (remember to blow them up every few years) and undermining their autonomy or hypothetically speaking, ‘lack thereof’.
Put simply, a) nothing the Palestinians have done to you, compares to what you’ve done to them, hence, b) they should be allowed to be as draconian, if not moreso than you already are and seemingly seek to intensify in the future at the sight of the slightest infraction (I.e. traveling while Arab).
Super Cliff Notes version: Freddy is once again full of **** and is yet another troll MW keeps around for profile purposes.
The Israelis have regularly used civilian buses to mobilize reserves so unfortunately renders them a legitimate military target. With so many Israeli reservists interspersed throughout the population, I can’t imagine many targets that would not contain reservist or active duty personnel.
It’s an ugly scenario regardless, but one defined by the laws of war. Israel seem willing to accept any and all collateral damage when it happens to the other side. The destruction of Gaza wholesale was largely based on the assertion that was where the terrorists were and that the civilian population was knowingly shielding them (or the evil terrorists were hiding amongst the civilians).
It seems you could make a credible argument for those justifications regarding attacks against Israel proper particularly since not taking the battle to the aggressors home turf means ALL the death and destruction takes place on your own turf.
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connect the settlements with Israeli cities west of the wall
I think that should read: “… with Israel cities west of the green line” (or: cities within Israel proper).
No it shouldn’t. There are Israeli towns that are west if the wall but definitely NOT west of the Green Line/in Israeli proper.
Is what I meant. West of the Apartheid wall places still can be settlements on occupied land. The Apartheid wall is not the main border, but the green line (because that one defines occupied/not occupied).
the Israeli government and the settlers are one. There is no point in trying to boycott the settlements alone- Israel itself has to be hit. It is the whole Zionist machine that is the issue. It is something as banal as bus routes that exposes the sham.
They hide behind the fear goys have of being labelled antisemites and they have to be exposed.
In an ideal world it would be the Jewish diaspora doing this but of course they won’t.
In an ideal world it would be the Jewish diaspora doing this but of course they won’t.
Well, the editors of this site do.
Yes, seafoid, and to compound the problem of American Jews not getting this information out to the American masses so they can display real informed consent, or not, any Gentile American risks career or job ipso facto if he or she even sends private emails objecting to Israeli conduct and US enablement of same, as Ms Garcia in Florida most recently shows.
“In an ideal world it would be the Jewish diaspora doing this but of course they won’t.”
One could get the impression, or even come to the conclusion, from reading the excellent Marc Ellis segments published here, that the elite Zionists won’t be swayed by the diaspora. Why would they listen to powerless Jews, when they have the attention and assistance of Gentile leaders? Our job, in the diaspora, is to do what they tell us, not tell them what to do.
Shut your mouth and open your wallet.
Great visuals posted here recently. They are incredibly powerful in opening people’s eyes in a way that even the most impassioned rhetoric is incapable of.
“Kiss the Green Line Goodbye”? The hypocrisy just makes me so angry. Here they are, telling Gentile audiences that Israel wants a two-state solution, will give the Palestinians the West Bank and Gaza the minute they stop launching homemade rockets, and then to Jewish audiences they admit that’s never going to happen and all but laugh about how gullible we are in believing their lies.
It clearly indicates that the lie “settlements only constitute 1% of West Bank” is just a catchy hasbara meme.
Little coloured tubes that inject the poison of Zio-supremacism into – and drain the life-blood out of – what’s left of Palestine. Nice.
A Wikileaks US Embassy cable from 2007 has so-called ‘moderate’ Tzipi Livni speaking publicly to Haaretz in December 2006 about an interim agreement that uses the wall route as the dividing line, not the Green line (my emphasis):
In the same interview, Livni provided an outline of
her thinking, but not a detailed plan, on the way ahead with
the Arabs, including negotiating an interim agreement with
the Palestinians in which the separation barrier would serve
as the border, and refusing to engage with Syria unless Asad
takes steps to end support for terrorism and distances
himself from Iran. Livni’s policy adviser has confirmed to
us that she has engaged in her own discrete discussions with
Palestinians, but very much in an exploratory mode. Livni
told Senators Kerry and Dodd that she doubted that a final
status agreement could be reached with Abu Mazen, and
therefore the emphasis should be on reforming Fatah so that
it could beat Hamas at the polls. MFA officials tell us that
Livni is also focused on the need to keep Hamas isolated.
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Hmm. Didn’t that intrepid reporter on 60 minutes say that Bethlehem was surrounded by the wall? Here if just clips a corner of the city. Which is true?
FredBlogs, why do you comment about topics which have no knowledge of? Do you think that by pretending the apartheid wall doesn’t exist life is just fine for Palestinians in Bethlehem.
“FredBlogs, why do you comment about topics which have no knowledge of?”
A Ziocaine high induces feelings of omniscience. When Ziocaine is singing Hatikvah in your veins and doing a Hora on your synapses, you’re no longer a wondering Jew, now you know!
I bet you could not live a day in their shoes.
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It surrounds it, while yes it doesn’t completely encircle it like in Qalqilya, it makes access to Jerusalem and other Palestinian towns exceedingly difficult. You are ignoring the Israeli only road network which is surrounded with barbed wire, trenches and sensors and is patrolled by the IOF, so no access that way either and you are ignoring numerous checkpoints and no-go areas that ring the city.
That you think you had a “gotcha” moment with this comment shows how utterly ignorant you are about the situation in the West Bank. Why don’t you try GOING there and seeing for yourself? Go and see how Israel attempts to hoard ALL tourist dollars going to Bethlehem by advising people they must travel with Israeli firms (who bus you straight out again, god forbid you stay in a Palestinian owned hotel) see the HUGE checkpoints and the gun towers. Visit the home of the Anastas family which is surrounded on 3 sides by the physically and morally ugly wall.
Uh? So it’s not a medical diagram… interesting
What I don’t understand is people who oppose the settlements – as I do – but don’t support a 2 state solution, under which they would be removed.
Israel keeps building more settlements but really wants a two-states. No, really. I mean it. How can you possibly think those two things contradict each other!
And Israel has really been negotiating in good faith all along. No, really. You see, I know Israel and it’s better than that. It would never just keep building settlements after they signed the Oslo accords.
And they wouldn’t vote in a government that was offered the ‘biggest Yerushalim in history’ and reject the offer. No, really.
And they wouldn’t then vote in a government that explicitly supported the settlements, and produced a report that said that there is no occupation.
No, really.
Mondoweiss, stop trying to shatter my illusions.