‘Stop aid to Israeli military’ ad goes up on SF buses

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“Stop $30 Billion: Spend Our Money At Home, Not on the Israeli Military.” Muni bus ad, San Francisco. (Photo: Facebook)

As of yesterday afternoon, this ad is up on twelve San Francisco buses. These are two photos from the streets.

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Here’s the website for Bay Area Stop $30 Billion Military Aid to Israel. The group members are not identified, but our own Annie Robbins has played a role.

Remember that Muni is in hot water right now over the Islamophobic “Savage” ads that it ran from Pam Geller. A coalition of groups, including the American Muslims for Palestine, the Council of American Islamic Relations, the Asian Law Caucus and Jewish Voices for Peace compelled Muni to run a disclaimer from those ads. And Muni is working on a counter campaign to promote understanding of Muslims. 

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  1. chinese box
    August 31, 2012, 11:13 am

    Awesome. Thanks Allison and Annie.

    Geller inadvertently opened the door on the debate with her stupid ad. So thanks Geller (I guess…)

  2. Abu Malia
    August 31, 2012, 11:24 am

    Thanks Allison!
    Suck on that Pam G.!

  3. Mndwss
    August 31, 2012, 11:27 am

    I love you Annie

  4. Blake
    August 31, 2012, 12:34 pm

    Yeah baby. Cannot wait to hear from Pam Geller.

    • Kathleen
      August 31, 2012, 1:21 pm

      Will not be hard. She is screaming somewhere at the top of her lungs. Blood vessels bursting face lift stretching in ways she could never imagine before.

      • Blake
        August 31, 2012, 3:50 pm

        I would pay to see that. :-)

      • Kathleen
        August 31, 2012, 6:30 pm

        Not hard to imagine. She always seems on the edge of blowing a fuse….or two

  5. Kathleen
    August 31, 2012, 12:57 pm

    Annie helping human rights activist move mountains. Awareness growing.

  6. Kathleen
    August 31, 2012, 12:59 pm

    Folks let Phil know on another thread. Diane Rehm actually brought up the Israeli court deciding that Israel is not at fault in the crushing death of Rachel Corrie about 30 minutes into the Rehm international hour. Please contact the Rehm show and request that they have Craig and Cindy Corrie on for a one hour program. Never ever hurts to ask and push

  7. talknic
    August 31, 2012, 1:26 pm

    Drip drip ….. expect a bile burst in retaliation.

  8. Annie Robbins
    August 31, 2012, 1:54 pm

    thanks allison and phil and everyone, especially…well, it feels odd having my name there alone because we’re very much a local grassroots group effort which has been in the works for awhile. there really was a coincidence factor in terms of the timing. huge shout out to some extraordinaryly inspirational people. and those without whose support….can’t say enough in terms of thanks.

    If you are inspired to start a similar effort in your community, call (505) 702-4203.

    (anna, thanks for emailing me all the way from russia in may (or thereabouts) and giving me the confidence we could really make this happen here in the bay area. you rock)

    • American
      August 31, 2012, 2:41 pm

      bravo annie! bravo annie! bravo annie!

    • LanceThruster
      August 31, 2012, 6:56 pm

      Annie – what a beautiful sentiment, particuarly when offered sincerely. There are so many others who have used a similar gesture in a cynical way. (i.e. “I would like to thank all the little people who made this possible.”)

      You are all promoting continued and expanded action by your efforts. Much love and appreciation to you all.

      Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes. ~ Maggie Smith.

    • CloakAndDagger
      August 31, 2012, 8:30 pm

      annie – I want to be just like you when I grow up! Brava!

    • Ellen
      September 2, 2012, 11:26 pm

      Annie, just donated.

      This ad should run everywhere in the so-called “fly over country.” West of the Mississippi and east of Bolder, Co. They will get it and it will have real influence.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 3, 2012, 2:19 pm

        thanks so much ellen, very much appreciated. there are actually initiatives beginning in several other locales. crossing our fingers on both their success and ours in keeping this ad up. your contribution means a lot to us.

  9. Kathleen
    August 31, 2012, 2:41 pm

    Annie thanks for being such a wise woman..giving credit where credit is due. But know you are doing everything in your power to inform folks based on facts and get the word out. Thanks for the number was going to look for it

    • Annie Robbins
      August 31, 2012, 3:43 pm

      awesome kathleen, tell em i sent you ;)

      • MRW
        August 31, 2012, 4:59 pm

        You’re a kick, annie.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 3, 2012, 2:20 pm

        back atcha MRW. so glad you decided to return. i completely failed in trying to make contact with you via sean’s site. i’m .. tech challenged.

      • Kathleen
        August 31, 2012, 6:29 pm

        will do

  10. Egbert
    August 31, 2012, 4:53 pm

    An ad counterpointing Tank Man and Rachel Corrie?

  11. justicewillprevail
    August 31, 2012, 5:10 pm

    Well, well done.

    Now how are the ziobrats going to get all hysterical and scream antisemitism when they and their supporters have established First Amendment rights for bus ads? Ha ha. Hoist. Petard.

  12. W.Jones
    August 31, 2012, 7:05 pm

    The ad says 30 billion in 10 years of aid. However, I heard the real figure is much higher. On this site I am often reading about new funds being given for special purposes. Plus, the official figure doesn’t include loans that are forgiven, which is typical. We are talking about a small country with a thriving economy being subsidized by another country in a major recession.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 1, 2012, 12:13 am

      yes, it is much much higher wj.

      • W.Jones
        September 1, 2012, 1:51 am

        Apparently no one knows what the real number is. So estimates apparently vary wildly, as I remember it, from 3 billion to tens of billions. The former we know is too low by a few billion and the latter I think is way too high. I guess 7, but who knows? I mean don’t nukes count as aid?

      • amigo
        September 1, 2012, 4:39 pm

        Wj, try the following

        “WRMEA–Aid to Israel.

        “A Conservative Estimate of Total U.S. Aid To Israel: More Than $123 Billion

        By Shirl McArthur

        link to wrmea.org

        2

      • W.Jones
        September 1, 2012, 10:09 pm

        Amigo,

        Thanks. As it says, this is a conservative estimate, basically repeating the most visible figures dating back to 1949. If you divide 123 billion by 60 you get about 2 billion per year. And last year is listed as 3.5 billion, which is certainly up from the 3.0 billion/year when the Ad campaign ran in 2010.

        So not only is the true figure unknown (nukes isn’t aid?) but it’s rapidly increasing.

        Regards.

    • ColinWright
      September 1, 2012, 9:32 pm

      “…However, I heard the real figure is much higher…”

      To misquote Stalin, one dollar is money, a billion dollars is a statistic.

      On the one hand, saying it’s been 60 billion in ten years wouldn’t sound meaningfully worse than saying it’s been 30 billion in ten years. On the other hand, a figure like ’60 billion’ could be questioned, while 30 billion is inarguably valid.

      So the ad works better with the lower figure.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 2, 2012, 1:12 am

        colin, it wakes people up. it also allows any supporters a lot of latitude in any conversations/arguments that ensue. because over the history of our relationship with israel, all told, the real figure is likely more than a trillion link to csmonitor.com . especially when you take into account what we’ve lost in tax revenue via tax deductible donations, trade deals, stolen ………just visit grant smith’s site..it’s a nightmare.

      • ColinWright
        September 2, 2012, 3:44 am

        Annie says ‘colin, it wakes people up…’

        My point is that ’30 billion’ is just as good as ’60 billion.’ Both are intuitively both ‘a lot.’ There’s no visceral difference between them. Can you even imagine spending either amount? You’d run out of ideas after buying your own island and putting an airport on it. Just how many dancing bears can you actually watch?

        So one doesn’t really gain anything by claiming that Israel has received 60 billion rather than 30 billion. The argument is the same: we give Israel an unimaginably large amount of money.

        On the other hand, if you claim 60 billion, you open the door to people undermining your argument by claiming the figure is an exaggeration, that this isn’t aid but loans, or whatever. It doesn’t matter if their claims are valid or not — now they can make them.

        Stick with 30 billion and your argument carries the same weight but is irrefutable. We have inarguably given Israel 30 billion.

        The ’30 billion’ figure is a wise choice. It’s huge, it’s readily verifiable, and it leaves people no out but to argue that we should give Israel 30 billion — and of course most people don’t feel we should spend that much on anything. That we do is neither here nor there.

      • American
        September 2, 2012, 1:57 am

        @ Colin

        The Economist figures( the 90′s article I saw) said —–1.4 trillion in aid and other indirect cost re Israel even back then .

      • W.Jones
        September 2, 2012, 10:55 pm

        The Economist article’s estimate of $1.6 trillion comes out to to $55 billion a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        link to csmonitor.com

        They are not even counting the nukes.
        And the ad is about just 3 billion a year.

  13. just
    August 31, 2012, 8:16 pm

    Thanks to Annie and your fellow ‘roots’.

    What a great ad!

    No xenophobia or hate, just the facts that will appeal to a lot of regular folks who know we are broke and that our soldiers exhausted and damaged, etc.. The very same regular folks who may not know how much we give to Israel and their military.

  14. Boycott Israel on Campus
    August 31, 2012, 8:19 pm

    “Another Federal Judge—Another Billboard Lawsuit”:

    at: link to uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com

    It reports an Associated Press story about a bus advertisement which would say “Boycott ‘Israel’, Boycott Apartheid”

    The proposed ad would look like this:
    link to tinyurl.com

    • Dexter
      September 1, 2012, 6:02 pm

      Great idea for an ad, but the picture ruins it. Maybe if there was picture of the apartheid wall in the background instead, no?

      But I def get the point, and we’ll see if equal standards of free speech apply…

    • ColinWright
      September 2, 2012, 3:46 am

      “The proposed ad would look like this:
      link to tinyurl.com”

      Given the picture, such an ad would probably be a mistake.

      Let Geller commit the blunders. The idea is to win.

      • chinese box
        September 2, 2012, 2:36 pm

        Yeah, that image would be a PR disaster, lol.

  15. pianoteacher
    August 31, 2012, 10:50 pm

    Well done to all in Bay Area stop $30 billion – whoever you are!

  16. Walid
    September 1, 2012, 12:38 am

    Bravo, Bravo, Annie.

  17. Annie Robbins
    September 1, 2012, 3:09 am

    thanks everybody. your support feels ….reeeeaally good.

  18. Dexter
    September 1, 2012, 6:06 pm

    This world needs more Annies…..and less Pams!

    • ColinWright
      September 1, 2012, 9:22 pm

      “This world needs more Annies…..and less Pams!”

      Yeah — but first let the Pams finish sinking Israel. They’re definitely useful in that respect.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 2, 2012, 2:04 am

        hey, don’t broad brush pams, our pam olson is the bomb!

      • ColinWright
        September 2, 2012, 3:47 am

        “hey, don’t broad brush pams, our pam olson is the bomb!”

        There are good Pams and bad Pams. Some of my best friends are Pams.

  19. douglasreed
    September 1, 2012, 6:13 pm

    Mr Netanyahu, I will be as succinct as it is possible to be within the English language:

    DO NOT ATTACK IRAN! If you do so, it will NOT be in order to ensure peace in the Middle East. It will be an action designed to bolster your imagined self-image as the Zionist leader of the 21st century who saved the Jewish people from a second holocaust, when you know full well that that is a complete nonsense.

    The greatest threat to the Jewish people both in Israel and in the Diaspora is a Likud government that is so obsessed with its own perceived importance that it is blind to the animosity it engenders amongst ordinary people in democratic nation states around the world. You are a warmonger! You have not the wit nor sense to understand that what you are doing is damaging in the extreme to Jewish communities around the world, in Paris, London and yes, even ultimately in NY and LA.

    Intransigence, bullying, contempt for the UN, contempt for the president of the US – the country that funds your own economy and contempt for human rights and civil liberties, are all facets of a man who suffers from such an inferiority complex that he should be involved in therapy not government.

    You are endangeringh the very identity and future of the Jewish state for which so many suffered and died over the past hundred years. To survive, you must talk peace not war, and mean it. 

    DO NOT ATTACK IRAN! If you do so, it will NOT be in order to ensure peace in the Middle East. It will be an action designed to bolster your imagined self-image as the Zionist leader of the 21st century who saved the Jewish people from a second holocaust, when you know full well that that is a complete nonsense.

    The greatest threat to the Jewish people both in Israel and in the Diaspora is a Likud government that is so obsessed with its own perceived importance that it is blind to the animosity it engenders amongst ordinary people in democratic nation states around the world. You are a warmonger! You have not the wit nor sense to understand that what you are doing is damaging in the extreme to Jewish communities around the world, in Paris, London and yes, even ultimately in NY and LA.

    Intransigence, bullying, contempt for the UN, contempt for the president of the US – the country that funds your own economy and contempt for human rights and civil liberties, are all facets of a man who suffers from such an inferiority complex that he should be involved in therapy not government.

    You are endangeringh the very identity and future of the Jewish state for which so many suffered and died over the past hundred years. To survive, you must talk peace not war, and mean it.

    _____________________________________________________

  20. ColinWright
    September 1, 2012, 10:37 pm

    “Spend our money at home, not on the Israeli military’ works particularly well in response to ‘In any war between the civilized man and the savage…’, and this is what has happened in San Francisco.

    First there is an obviously overblown call to arms on behalf of a cause John Q. Public supports — but with caution, conscious that he doesn’t really follow it all that closely. Then in response comes, ‘hey — we’re really spending a lot on this.’

    The net effect must be to convince a whole lot of people who basically don’t know and don’t care that yes, we should scale back. And after all, we (or at least I) don’t care why the US stops giving money to Israel — it’s entirely sufficient that we stop.

  21. wes
    September 1, 2012, 11:59 pm

    great work you guys you rock-i fully support your efforts to persuade the amereican arms industry to stop selling arms to middle eastern countries like israel
    in fact america has just sold military hardware to saudi arabia ,quatar,egypt and bahrain
    the arms industry is booming in the middle east
    hey guys looks like the recession could be over
    cause there is a new war in the middle east
    the pentagon will love your bus ads
    im sure
    annie get your gun

    • Annie Robbins
      September 2, 2012, 12:58 am

      -i fully support your efforts to persuade the amereican arms industry to stop selling arms to middle eastern countries like israel

      maybe you should try reading the ad again.

  22. wes
    September 2, 2012, 4:24 am

    What ad is that annie
    Sell weapons to arabs but not israelis
    The good stuff is made in israel
    Israel is booming the aid is for helping the usa acquire plunder

     is estimated that forty million years ago the tectonic plates of India-Europe, Asia and Africa collided in a massive upheaval. This upheaval created the region of towering mountains that now includes Afghanistan. This diverse geological foundation has resulted in a significant mineral heritage with over 1,400 mineral occurrences recorded to date, including gold, copper, lithium, uranium, iron ore, cobalt, natural gas and oil.[2]Afghanistan’s resources could make it the richest mining region on earth.[3] In 2010, Pentagon officials and American geologists discovered about $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan

    • piotr
      September 2, 2012, 6:24 am

      The only thing which is certain is that Afghanistan has decent copper deposits that will probably be developed by a Chinese company. Witwatersrand it is not.

      Yet it is puzzling why USA did so little to improve the economy in Afghanistan.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 3, 2012, 2:32 pm

      the ad is directed at the american people wes, not the arms industry. the arms industry is making money hand over fist chomping at the bit of an american foreign policy being pressured by israel to invade yet another muslim country. we need to get off this train, it isn’t healthy for us or our victims. it’s all a distraction for the real goal of the expansionists anyway. without our $upport israel would be required to get serious about resolving their border issues instead of distracting us with all this fear iran stuff while settlements are gobbling up more and more land as i type this.

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