Facebook group posts image of Zoabi as dangerous crocodile

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More evidence of the disturbingly racist discourse in Israel: Ofer Neiman and Sol Salbe say this image featuring the face of Haneen Zoabi, the Israeli Palestinian member of Knesset who has been barred from running for reelection, appeared on a widely-read page on Facebook (which I cannot access, url below). From Neiman:

Sol Salbe shared ‎תל אביב אחרת‎’s photo. Racist meme plays off the similarity in Hebrew between Hanin [Zoabi] and tanin (Hebrew for crocodile: Danger, Hanin.

Didi Remez: This is from a page of a substantial size in Israeli terms (126 000 followers). It’s English name is Fun Tel Aviv. I’m always amazed at our ability as a society to be shocked at cartoons with similar motifs emanating from Arab sources, screaming Gevalt and antisemitism, but not batting an eye when we encounter such phenomena here.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387490994672088&set=a.322453377842517.76175.321648987922956&type=1&theater

  1. Phil, I think you may be reaching on this one. Looking at the photos on this page it’s a bunch of ‘shopped’ images of all manner of things. It seems everything is fair game. I’d leave it to the Zio’s to get all sensitive and butthurt at the slightest little thing.

    • far reaching to call this disturbingly racist discourse?

      Looking at the photos on this page

      can you link to it? where are you? because i am trying to and as phil mentioned it’s not coming up. getting a sign that reads

      This content is currently unavailable
      The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page.

      It seems everything is fair game. I’d leave it to the Zio’s to get all sensitive and butthurt at the slightest little thing.

      you mean leave zionists to scream anti semitism at every little thing and then not call out a blatant hypocritical double standard? and the reason being …they have ‘shopped’ images of all manner of things. i’m not following you. they’re fair game are they not? or does the ‘fair game’ rules only apply to the webpage your defending?

      • Sorry Annie, missed this.

        Please see here: link to facebook.com

        It’s got a shopped pic of Abbas at the UN with Oscar the Muppet’s head ‘shopped on and a pic of Bibi’s face shopped onto a girl with ringlets holding a rabbit.

        ‘ i’m not following you. they’re fair game are they not? or does the ‘fair game’ rules only apply to the webpage your defending?’ I’m not defending anything Annie and that’s what I’m saying. Lampooning politicians has risen (or more correctly, stooped) to new levels since the public have been able to manipulate images at home. Anyone’s opinions, whether valid or otherwise are able to arrive to a wide audience via social media. That can be a force for good, but you also run the risk of the Streisand Effect. I just think it’s a better idea to leave the ranting to the Zios…….

        • it’s me who’s sorry freddy. i shouldn’t have implied you were defending the website. i just think people perceive things differently. it seemed racist to me. she’s a highly vilified person in israel. it’s understandable to me that someone wouldn’t see it as racist but it appeared to me to be racist. it also comes during a week when she’s been barred from the knesset, and the incident in which she was barred is directly related to her being palestinian. i think there is a double standard.

          sorry i made the assumption you were defending the website. i wouldn’t want the web to be censored, so in that regard i would defend the websites right to post what i consider derogatory photo shopping.

        • Hey Annie,

          Thank you. Although I immediately realised there was a misunderstanding of some kind. From a personal perspective, I’ll admit a reaction and would like to clarify. I’m becoming increasingly sickened by Zionists whining about how the BDS / anti Zionist / haters hurt the feelings of Israelis. Very obvious realities tell us that hurt feelings don’t trump destroyed lives. Depicting Hanin Zoabi in such a way is the prerogative of the person who posted it, but us kicking and screaming at the slightest affront dilutes our case and plays the Zionist’s game.

          Again, I will defer to Norman Finklestein. We can bat this shit around until the cows come home, but international law and broad consensus does not address ‘feelings’. It’s simple, but all this ‘you hurt my feelings’ crap needs to be called out for what it is in the light of those living in the situation.

  2. why contribute to mondoweiss?

    because justice for palestine will prevent the doomsday that awaits us if we don’t change course

    because the obstacles in the way of attaining justice for palestine are such that those supporting it merit all the help they possibly can receive

    & because one victory is all it’ll take

    + mondoweiss’ getting out the word

    that a better world not only is possible

    it’s doable

    aren’t these reasons enough for contributing to mondoweiss?

  3. But why “racist” discourse? There are more instances of hanging offence of racism in “Israel” than anywhere else in the world combined, so you don’t need to call racism what is on the face of it nothing but political polemic. If I depicted a Zionist murderer, say Yahoo, as say a snake, would that be racist? Pay attention to your words.

    • sardelapasti, while someone who doesn’t speak hebrew might not recognize the racism, don’t you think in light of what Neiman wrote “what plays off the similarity in Hebrew between Hanin [Zoabi] and tanin (Hebrew for crocodile: Danger, Hanin.” referencing a ‘racist meme’ makes sense? the meme i presume is ‘arabs=danger’. no?

      link to socyberty.com

      Alligator and Crocodile in Myth and Folklore

      Crocodilians, including crocodiles and alligators, are the only large, partially terrestrial animals that do not hesitate to attack human beings. Since our traditions tend to make the food chain into a metaphysical hierarchy, this makes them appear to challenge human supremacy.

      how is that not racist?

      • So what? If I call Netanyahoo Yahoo, that does not in any way impugn his birth accident of being “Jewish”. In the same way, calling Ms Zoabi “crocodile” (and yes, with the rhyme, as in Yahoo) does not in any way refer to any accident of birth of Ms Zoabi.

        Just to have it clear: “Racism” applies to over-the-board discrimination of all members of a certain group based on a given accident of birth of said group. Like skin color, ethnic belonging, etc. Not in any case to political belonging, religion, or any other consciously acquired traits.
        In the US, it has traditionally been used in a much narrower sense, i.e. with regard to skin color only.

        Comparison to animals has always been a staple of any political polemic, also within racial/ethnic etc. groups. There used to be donkey caps for pupils doing poorly at school. So let’s stop being ridiculous even though we are on Mondoweiss –at least for this.

        • hmm, unlike brainwashing/indoctrinating a society ‘arabs are dangerous’, a ‘yahoo’ is not a racist/anti semitic meme. so your analogy isn’t applicable.

          Comparison to animals has always been a staple of any political polemic

          but some comparisons are racist, like depicting a black person as a monkey.

          “Racism” applies to over-the-board discrimination of all members of a certain group based on a given accident of birth of said group.

          it also applies to using stereotypes that have a racist track record.

          also, not sure why you think the ad hominem crutch enhances your argument but i don’t find it persuasive. keep it up there’s a chance mods might not pass those kinds of comments.

        • /it also applies to using stereotypes that have a racist track record./
          And where does being called a crocodile have a racist track record ?

        • oleg: link to urbandictionary.com

          link to authentichistory.com

          The state of Florida, for example, used the image for at least a half century on various items designed, marketed, and sold as souvenirs, especially on postcards. That a state would intentionally market itself to tourists with such a racist, violent theme is remarkable, and is perhaps indicative of the level of racism prevalent in the deep South well into the 20th century. And the imagery appeared on nationally marketed items, like the piece of sheet music shown here.

        • OlegR

          It’s racism 101:

          To justify exploitation, oppressors use stereotypes and dehumanization — the practise of portraying people as less than human. Dehumanizing Africans and Jews by comparing them to apes and rats promoted the idea that these people were no better than animals. These ideas support the oppressors’ false belief in their own superiority and makes it easier to hate, enslave, kill, torture, or persecute the dehumanized group.

          link to un.org

        • You miss the main point. This analogy was produced to oppose a political enemy and does not use a “less than human stereotype” racially on the face of it, because there is no such croc stereotype on record for any of the birth accidents of Ms Zoabi.
          As for PC crazies who are out to ban any comparison with any animals –without being able to make the difference between explicit racial use, political polemic or plain cussing– someone might call them donkeys.

  4. I would defend the offensive.

    I think that if we accuse someone of mongering racial stereotypes, then the offending item has to be stereotypical. And crocodile is not.

    Concerning the cited “stereotype” on crocodilians, it is a bit inaccurate. Alligators are relatively docile, while caymans are not, leading to trouble in Florida when Brazilian caymans are released and attack unsuspecting people (who are used to walk by alligators). Gavials eat only fish. However, crocodiles are indeed dangerous, although they would have to reach the size quite a bit larger than Haneen.

    I think in fables crocodiles are treacherous, untrustworthy and brutal, so it is definitely an unfriendly depiction. I guess the photoshopper imagined that Haneen first was singing with beguiling voice to woo Israeli commandoes onto the deck of Mavi Marmara. Then she beat them up mercilessly with iron bars. Afterwards she was bed-mouthing the most innocent and valiant soldiers. Or something like that. The expressions of hatred for Haneen are myriad, but the details are sparse.

  5. I guess crocodiles are like shellfish and can’t be eaten with dairy products and this is all a storm in a kashrut lemehadrin teacup. Nothing to see. Just file the image and refer to it the next time something pops up. Which will be soon. Israel is such a bigotry rich environment. The internet allows the magic to be shared.

  6. [Not all Jews are your ordinary white racists, but some are.]

    December 23, 2012
    Dov Hikind Trying To Block Israel’s Extradition Of Yitzchak Shuchat To Brooklyn

    New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind Says he has been in contact with Israel’s “Attorney General” in an attempt to block the High Court of Justice ordered extradition of Yitzchak Shuchat, who is wanted for a beating a Black honors student in Crown Heights three years ago and who is charged with a hate crime. Shuchat fled to Israel.

    New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind Says he has been in contact with Israel’s “Attorney General” in an attempt to block the High Court of Justice ordered extradition of Yitzchak Shuchat, who is wanted for allegedly beating a Black honors student in Crown Heights three years ago, and who is charged with a hate crime. Shuchat fled to Israel and was indicted in absentia.

    But Hikind, whose district is heavily haredi and who is himself Orthodox, says more than just that.

    On his radio show last night he said that he met week with defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who Hikind says is working on blocking Shuchat’s extradition, and with Chabad’s offical prison missionary arm, the Florida-based Alef Institute, which is trying to do the same thing.

    That means a sitting New York State Assemblyman who has sworn to uphold the laws of the State of New York, an officer of the court who has similarly sworn, and a Chabad organization given special entree to prisons in part on the condition of upholding US laws, are all involved in trying to get a foreign country to not extradite a wanted man to the US to stand trial.

    Here’s the audio clip from last night’s Dov Hikind show where Hikind makes these shocking statements. It runs for 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Please left click the gray bar to listen or right click to download (or open in a new tab or window):

    Hikind Shuchat

    link to failedmessiah.typepad.com

    link to failedmessiah.typepad.com