JNF launches $1 billion program to settle ‘Western’ Jewish immigrants ‘fueled by Zionism’ in the Negev and Galilee

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Children planting trees in Israel with the Jewish National Fund. (Photo: JNF/JSS News)

Children planting trees in Israel with the Jewish National Fund. (Photo: JNF/JSS News)

Over the next 10 years the Jewish National Fund aims to inject $1 billion into programs to increase North American immigration to Jewish-only communities in the Negev and Galilee, and renew Zionist education. The JNF will invest $400 million into “Blueprint Negev” and “Go North,” plans derived from the quasi-governmental organization with the goal of attracting 250,000 “skilled and motivated Western Olim” and “physicians from North America and the UK who are fueled by Zionism.”

Expanding outreach to youth, the JNF is also investing $200 million in “Zionist Education and Advocacy.” Programs begin for children age five and run through university level, including a landmark campaign for “a young person to bond with a child who perished in the Holocaust as part of his or her B’nai/Bat Mitzvah ceremony.”

‘Go South, Go North!’

In a fundraising packet to perspective project donors the JNF touts a $400 million southern desert plan to establish 18 exclusively Jewish localities, and construct similar communities in the Galilee under the pioneering tag line “Go North.” JNF priority areas are in regions inhabited by Israel’s highest concentration of Arab-Palestinians, notably Bedouins in the south. The JNF proposal describes these sites as a “high-value return on investment,” because financial backers will be compensated not in “capital gains but rather as social impact on Israeli society and on American Jews connected to Israel.”

That impact dates back to 2005 after the disengagement from Gaza when then JNF sought to make desirable a lavish pioneer life, inspired by David Ben-Gurion’s notion of making the desert bloom, but with swimming pools and air-conditioning. “Our plan includes parks, recreation sites, and sports fields and all the amenities that make up the quality of life of a nation,” says the report, which also allocates and additional $100 million to establish expensive baseball and softball fields, and visitor centers.

That same year the Beersheva municipality adopted Blueprint Negev. Since then seven exclusively Jewish communities have been constructed by the JNF in the Negev, three of which are administered by the private Jewish-nationalist housing organization, the OR Movement whose mission is to “strengthen the periphery” of Israel by creating towns—guides included—for the explicit purpose of inflating the population of Jews over that of the Palestinian-Arabs.

For their future plans, the JNF funding outline lists the OR Movement as a partner in the $400 million demographics project, although the specific amount is not itemized. One project already underway, Hiran, is an illegal Jewish-Israeli squatter village in the middle of a JNF forest. The community of shabby caravans and metal fencing thanks the JNF on a plaque mounted to the siding of the town’s synagogue. However, in Blueprint Negev the JNF plans to move Hiran to a series of plots where Bedouins have lived since the 1950’s when Israel’s then military government placed them there. It’s no surprise then the OR Movement has sought out land already inhabited. On their website the OR Movement states: “the Negev remained uninhabited for many generations – until the Jews began to return in the early 19th century.” Other online resources include state benefits for immigrants to these exclusively Jewish communities, including income tax deductions, increased salaries for teachers and agricultural support such as greenhouses.

Over the past decade years the JNF has moved nearly 40,000 North American Jews into Blueprint Negev and Galilee communities, and the funding proposes to meet that same goal over the next decade.

$200 million Zionist ‘Education and Advocacy’

The JNF budget allocates $200 million in education over the next 10 years for projects that are at “the forefront of Zionist engagement in the USA and in Israel,” including a Holocaust-themed B’nei Mitzvah experience for teens, and a $50 million in AIPAC-style free university leaders trips to Israel.  New programs will develop “top quality Zionist educational materials, and engage and connect people with Israel experiences from childhood to adulthood.” $50 will go towards “My Israel Tree” a campaign for kindergarten age youth that aspire to “maintain engagement throughout their Zionist experience journey.”

The objective of “My Israel Tree” is to initiate and “leverage” an initial foray “into a lifelong journey with Jewish National Fund and with all of our Zionist Education programs.” For when a youth enters adolescence, the JNF is launching a special program that “allows a young person to bond with a child who perished in the Holocaust as part of his or her B’nai/Bat Mitzvah ceremony.” The JNF will produce materials that combine the name of the child coming of age with that of a Holocaust victim that was killed at the same stage of their life, “allowing them to be part of the development of the land of Israel forever.” Such visuals denote “sharing this cycle of life passage with someone who never had the opportunity,” states the JNF prospectus.

But the JNF’s largest Zionist output is geared for college students, both Jewish and non-Jewish. Fifty million will be invested in a target of 50 university conferences under the working title: “Israel: Making the World a Better Place.” Another program, “Caravan for Democracy ‘Common Ground’ Leadership Mission to Israel” is a fully subsidized collegiate trip to Israel for 15 of the “best sophomore and junior college student leaders in the country who possess networking and communication skills so as to share what they learned about Israel with others.”

JNF blue boxes.

JNF blue boxes.

For faculty, the JNF plans to send 40 professors to Israel per year with the goal of establishing partnerships with Israeli universities.

In addition, the JNF funding packet also announces that they will develop an “Executive Forum,” a special trip to Israel designed for major donors to the organization.

As for the Blue Boxes, a campaign where children collect change in cardboard charity containers adorned with the Israeli flag for donations to plant trees in Israel’s desert, the JNF will continue the flagship mass donation drive. “The “JNF has developed far beyond blue boxes and tree planting,” the organization tells its supporters in the 10-year plan. “We are an organization of social entrepreneurs utilizing cutting-edge best practices to operate like a 21st Century business.”

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  1. Annie Robbins
    December 24, 2013, 12:46 pm

    a landmark campaign for “a young person to bond with a child who perished in the Holocaust ..”

    oh my.

  2. Stephen Shenfield
    December 24, 2013, 3:01 pm

    The concept of Zionism as an alternative fuel is new to me. A new means of overcoming our dependence on hydrocarbons. “Fill your tank with Zionism not gasoline!” Explosions guaranteed.

  3. Krauss
    December 24, 2013, 3:30 pm

    The picture is telling. Blond white children planting trees in a land which their neighbours and victims of ethnic cleansing have lived on for far longer than those children’s parents. Nobody should be surprised if those children’s parents came from America, like Bennett and his ilk.

    • DICKERSON3870
      December 24, 2013, 7:10 pm

      RE: “The picture is telling. Blond white children planting trees…” ~ Krauss

      MY COMMENT: What adorable, über-Aryan-looking children! This JNF photo reminds me of some of Herr Goebbels very best propaganda.
      This photo should certainly appeal to the Christian Zionists. White makes right!

      • DICKERSON3870
        December 24, 2013, 7:43 pm

        P.S. SPEAKING OF ÜBER-ARYAN-LOOKING CHILDREN, ALSO SEE:
        “Pimping the Settlement Brand”, By Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 11/27/10

        [EXCERPTS] A West Bank regional development council has produced a slick promo* for settlement tourism which earnestly flogs the Occupation brand. The film, “Harvest Time”, is being screened regularly at a new $1-million visitor center established at the Psagot Winery. The plot involves a ragingly successful Israeli businessman, Yonatan, sent by his boss to London to close a big deal. Instead of doing as he was told, he receives a call informing him that his father was wounded [presumably in a terror attack] and is in the hospital requiring a major operation. This will prevent dad from leading the wine harvest at the family vineyard. This news turns Yonatan away from affairs of the world and toward affairs of family and the heart…that is, his deep attachment to the family winery. He can’t possibly let it go under.
        Bolstering his fidelity to family is a Biblical fantasia interlude, in which characters from the Bible come to life as shepherds walking the hills of Judea once more. What can trump the call to fidelity to one’s family, one’s people and one’s land? Nothing. . .
        . . . It’s impressive in a slick, sleazy sort of way. It presents the settlements in the sort of romantic way they were envisioned just after the 1967 war: as elements of a quest for Jewish history and identity; as part of a fulfillment of the Zionist dream. What the film omits of course is all the horrendous history between 1967-2010: the theft, killings, religious hatred. The whole bloody mess. I can’t think of an Israeli film (or any film really) I’ve seen in a long time that is as ahistorical and fraudulent as this one. . .

        ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to richardsilverstein.com

        * SETTLEMENT PROMO VIDEO [02:11] (children beginning about 01:45) - link to youtube.com

      • DICKERSON3870
        December 24, 2013, 7:47 pm

        P.P.S. I believe those children in the video are the “whitest” children I have ever seen (excluding albinos)!
        The children (like most) were cute, but the way they were used was not. The more I think about the trailer/promo, the more it reminds me of a Wagnerian opera. I can almost envision Netanyahu and Lieberman arriving in swan boats.

  4. talknic
    December 24, 2013, 3:59 pm

    “top quality Zionist educational materials” link to wp.me

    “The JNF proposal describes these sites as a “high-value return on investment,” because financial backers will be compensated not in “capital gains but rather as social impact on Israeli society and on American Jews connected to Israel.””

    You too can become involved in the high-value ethnic cleansing of the Bedouin people

  5. talknic
    December 24, 2013, 4:02 pm

    Note the map on the blue boxes … The JNF are evil

    • OlegR
      December 24, 2013, 4:17 pm

      They don’t include the Gaza strip.
      Should they?

      • talknic
        December 24, 2013, 8:36 pm

        @ OlegR

        They should only represent territory sovereign to the state of Israel. Instead they lie. Lying is against one of the most basic of Judaisms tenets. Why do they call themselves the Jewish National Fund?

      • puppies
        December 24, 2013, 11:06 pm

        Not so fast. What exactly is uncontested “territory sovereign to the state of Israel”, or whichever way you want to word it? 1948 is still wholly illegal to very many; even to those who go strictly by UN its legality is conditioned to compliance with the full equality and refugee return requirements. Before conceding this or that Palestinian right as legitimate/sovereign for Zionists, from 1882 to now, we may consider giving away our personal rights to some personal property in the US…

  6. seafoid
    December 24, 2013, 4:24 pm

    1 bn. I bet they will fail. Aliyah for normal non extremist jews is dead and Israel is a kip.

    • JeffB
      December 24, 2013, 5:05 pm

      @Seafold

      Not true. With the stagnant economy (especially for the young) in the USA and the vibrant economy in Israel lots of Jews are picking Israel partially for economic reasons. They are usually Orthodox and Zionist but they aren’t “extremist”. Year over year increases were common starting around 2008 though it has dropped off a bit since then.

      link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

      • Annie Robbins
        December 24, 2013, 5:31 pm

        what does that mean “ Year over year increases were common starting around 2008 “. there’s a 303 person increase from 07 to 08 from the US/canada and then it continuously goes down every year after that.

        and then there’s this: link to en.wikipedia.org

        Emigration

        For many years definitive data on Israeli emigration was unavailable.[39] In The Israeli Diaspora sociologist Stephen J. Gold maintains that calculation of Jewish emigration has been a contentious issue, explaining, “Since Zionism, the philosophy that underlies the existence of the Jewish state, calls for return home of the world’s Jews, the opposite movement—Israelis leaving the Jewish state to reside elsewhere—clearly presents an ideological and demographic problem.”[40]

        In the past several decades, emigration (yerida) has seen a considerable increase. From 1990 to 2005, 230,000 Israelis left the country; a large proportion of these departures included people who initially immigrated to Israel and then reversed their course (48% of all post-1990 departures and even 60% of 2003 and 2004 departures were former immigrants to Israel). …. In 2005 alone, 21,500 Israelis left the country and had not yet returned at the end of 2006; among them 73% were Jews, 5% Arabs, and 22% “Others” (mostly non-Jewish immigrants, with Jewish ancestry, from USSR). At the same time, 10,500 Israelis came back to Israel after over one year abroad; 84% were Jews, 9% Others, and 7% Arabs.[41]

        According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, as of 2005, 650,000 Israelis had left the country for over one year and not returned. Of them, 530,000 are still alive today.

      • seafoid
        December 24, 2013, 11:53 pm

        Nice try , jeff. What is the annual compound growth rate in aliyah between 1990 and 2013 to the nearest 0%?

      • JeffB
        December 25, 2013, 7:10 am

        @Seafold —

        Among Americans/Canada which is the last remaining large source possible about 2.5% annual growth.

      • seafoid
        December 25, 2013, 5:10 pm

        Include the russians in the1990 numerator jeff and no bullshit. Aliyah died in the late 90s,early 00s. Serious people do not want to go live in the jewish disneyland.

      • Walid
        December 25, 2013, 7:35 am

        “With the stagnant economy (especially for the young) in the USA and the vibrant economy in Israel lots of Jews are picking Israel partially for economic reasons. ”

        Makes you wonder when the US becomes so broke that it can’t pick up Israel’s tab, and how really or effectively vibrant Israel’s economy then becomes. Makes one think that it’s now somewhat like the smoke and mirrors economy of Dubai that has twice been bailed out of bankruptcy by sister emirate of Abu Dhabi. If the American money dries up, would Israel be as economically strong?

      • JeffB
        December 25, 2013, 7:58 am

        @Walid —

        American aide while helpful isn’t that big a deal for Israel economically. Almost all the aide is military anyway and it isn’t that large in dollar terms. What helps is the military research it gives Israel a clear qualitative advantage.

        If you mean what would happen if the United States no longer had a functioning economy, well what caused the collapse of the United States in the hypothetical?

      • Shingo
        December 26, 2013, 6:04 am

        American aide while helpful isn’t that big a deal for Israel economically. Almost all the aide is military anyway and it isn’t that large in dollar terms. What helps is the military research it gives Israel a clear qualitative advantage.

        Nice try but false.

        The military aid is only the tip of the iceberg. With all the supplemental loans, grants, and loan guarantees, the aid is 10-15 billion per year. On top of that, the trade agreement with the US is so absurdly one sided that the GAO has described it as a $10 billion annual grant to Israel.

        Take all that away, and Israel’s economy is a basket case.

      • seafoid
        December 25, 2013, 9:02 am

        Ya Walid. I wonder what lots translates to in terms of people. 500 tops I think.

      • JeffB
        December 25, 2013, 12:10 pm

        @Seafold —

        1000. You were the one who made the claim that immigration mattered at this point. That somehow falling immigration proved that Israel had failed. Suddenly small changes in the numbers don’t matter.

        Keep telling yourself that all data that supports your theory is to be given the widest possible interpretation, all data that refutes it ignored and and don’t worry about contradictions.

  7. Annie Robbins
    December 24, 2013, 6:13 pm

    Fifty million will be invested in a target of 50 university conferences under the working title: “Israel: Making the World a Better Place.” Another program, “Caravan for Democracy ‘Common Ground’ Leadership Mission to Israel” is a fully subsidized collegiate trip to Israel for 15 of the “best sophomore and junior college student leaders in the country who possess networking and communication skills so as to share what they learned about Israel with others.”

    that’s a million per university per conference. are those US universities? conferences for students? wow.

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  8. DICKERSON3870
    December 24, 2013, 7:04 pm

    RE: “Children planting trees in Israel with the Jewish National Fund.” ~ Photo, JNF/JSS News

    MY COMMENT: What adorable, über-Aryan-looking children!
    This photo should certainly appeal to the Christian Zionists. White makes right!

    • Walid
      December 25, 2013, 7:20 am

      Dickerson, nothing wrong with blond and blue-eyed Jewish children planting trees; on the contrary, it would be commendable education if it was limited to tree-planting. But regrettably this is not the case with little Israeli children as from a very young age, they are indoctrinated into a military mentality that only gets stronger and stronger as they get older. By the time they are young adults serving in the army, they’d believe nothing of gunning down innocent Palestinian citizens simply out of sport. The following video is the second such documentary I see about the militarization of the Israeli youth starting with a very young age with kindergarten visits by military officers in full uniform or a couple of years later by school outings to various military bases. Steve Lendman wrote about this criminal bahaviour such as encouraging 10 or 12-year old kids to autograph missiles destined for Lebanon’s children during the 2006 war or soldiers bragging about their “one shot-2 kills” IDF t-shirts and posted a video on it:

      S. Lendman’s full essay on Israel’s criminal militarization of children::

      link to occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com

      • JeffB
        December 25, 2013, 8:10 am

        @Walid

        Every society does this. I grew up in Philadelphia. We constantly as children talked about the Revolutionary war and dressed up with 3 corner hats a fake muskets…. We also went to the Philadelphia navel yard and saw battleships. We talked about fighting the Russians.

        The Russians themselves who had been invaded had much more of this culture. So for example in middle school everyone there learned basic infantry skills.

        Israel has to raise their children to live in a garrison state. They have universal enlistment. That’s not Israel’s doing entirely.

      • Walid
        December 25, 2013, 10:10 am

        Jeff, there’s a huge difference being in “cadets” in school and learning how to march in step and actually having military people in full military dress visiting kindergartens. I remember my class outings being to nature parks, to the zoo or to the planetarium, but not to military bases to play on tanks or with guns.

        Israel’s children are raised in a garrison mentality and this is what is most criminal about it.

      • JeffB
        December 25, 2013, 10:59 am

        @Walid —

        I most certainly got to play on disabled cannons as a child. And we had several times we visited WWII battleships. I had people in full dress uniform visit my schools. Getting older, we had an official armed services recruiter in high school as well as a presentation. The school had posters and helped organize registration for selective service.

        I’d agree there is more of it in Israel, because Israel has relatively a much greater degree of focus on the Army, they have universal enlistment. There is nothing criminal about acculturating children all of whom are going to have to serve in the armed forces and live under a semi-military government to that reality. The purpose of education is to train children to operate in the society they live in.

      • Walid
        December 25, 2013, 1:21 pm

        “The purpose of education is to train children to operate in the society they live in.”

        Come on, Jeff, from the age of kindergarten??? Having 10-year old girls autographing deadly shells about to be lobbed on Lebanon with the notation “from the children of Israel to the children of Lebanon”? Or teaching very young kids about the rudiments of throwing a grenade as in the video or asking them how many Arabs they intend to kill when they grow up?

        It’s not any wonder that Israelis (in general but not necessarily all of them) are paranoid. How can people with such a war-mongering mentality even consider the concept of peace when they have been reared on violence all their lives?

      • JeffB
        December 25, 2013, 2:37 pm

        @Walid

        Come on, Jeff, from the age of kindergarten???

        I grew up during the tail end of the cold war. Discussions of nuclear war and what they would do were part of my childhood. I don’t know about kindergarden but certainly by 4th grade.

        Having 10-year old girls autographing deadly shells about to be lobbed on Lebanon with the notation “from the children of Israel to the children of Lebanon”?

        Oh absolutely. That’s tying them into the idea that the war is part of their society. War is a corporate activity. It is part of the ethic of volunteer army. You would have seen similar things in America in World War II. Israelis have contempt for the idea of a professional army and the ethics associated with it.

        If you look at the discussion in the USA during the Nixon administration when the United States was transitioning from a draft to an all volunteer (the beginning of a professional army) you’ll see very very hostile attitudes. In fact you still see this argument today made, for example that the war on terror falls disproportionately on a small group of American families that serve and thus creates a situation where the United States can be permanently at war with almost no public backlash.

        Or teaching very young kids about the rudiments of throwing a grenade as in the video or asking them how many Arabs they intend to kill when they grow up? It’s not any wonder that Israelis (in general but not necessarily all of them) are paranoid. How can people with such a war-mongering mentality even consider the concept of peace when they have been reared on violence all their lives?

        The people who love peace the most are people who have been in war. The generation that had experienced the horrors of WWI was the one that wanted to forever ban war. The generation that had experienced WWII setup the UN system so that there would never again be a war between great powers.

        But right now, today Israel has a mini war about every 3 years. Which means that most of those kids will be in the IDF during a war. And since there is likely to be some sort of intifada type uprising during their after way years, they are going to be called up for some sort of reserve duty. That’s not war mongering, that’s just life in Israel.

        I would assume that every single child you are looking at has lost a family member to Arab-Israeli violence in the last two generations. Everyone. That’s not Israeli culture, that’s the Israeli reality. What it means to be Israeli is not that people don’t want to kill you, but that this time you have the capability to shoot back.

        To quote a founding father from around the same relative time period:
        I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.

        The dream that Israelis have is that Zionism will be successful enough to allow them peace. Peace comes from Zionism’s success, not its failure.

      • ziusudra
        December 26, 2013, 6:53 am

        Greetings Walid & JeffB.,
        Unfortunately both of you are right.
        Whether it is the Extremist method of the zio-nazi governments since 48 or the nuanced method of our imperial US, both get their message across as just who is our enemy at any given moment.
        I remember one of my Nuns screaming aloud in the dorm. when Stalin died in 1953, Stalin, the devil is dead!
        I remember, as a four year old, when the GIs leaving the ships in the B’klyn. Williamberg shipyard in 1945 marching down Park Ave in the morning & all of us 1st,2nd,3r Generation Euro immigrants screaming the war was over!
        It grows with every Generation & we are all caught up with it!
        Happy N.Y.
        ziusudra
        PS As an American, i view nuanced indoctrination more evil because it gives our politicians less criticism for their criminal behavior.

  9. talknic
    December 25, 2013, 12:46 pm

    @ JeffB

    In and out of school link to talknic.files.wordpress.com

    • Walid
      December 25, 2013, 1:36 pm

      Good one, talknic, and so very true. They look like the peaceniks of Hevron.

      • Walid
        December 25, 2013, 9:31 pm

        Jeff, I can see that I’l never succeeded in swaying you to my way of thinking because you will always rationalize whatever evil is resulting from Zionism. You are saying that Israelis believe that Zionism’s success would bring them peace. Again this is rationalizing war, aggression and theft by Israelis supposedly for the end result which they consider peace. This is a false hope because Zionism is truly like a cancer that will never stop. After the whole of Palestine, it would be Jordan because mostly everyone there is a Palestinian which constitute an everlasting threat to the existence of Israel and after that there would be southern Lebanon because of the need of the Litani and the menacing presence of the Shia. After that would come the Sinai because sooner or later, the Brothers would be back on top to threaten Israel’s existence. There is no end to Zionism’s lust. And even if all your rationalizing arguments failed, you’d still have the holocaust card to fall back on.

      • talknic
        December 25, 2013, 11:17 pm

        Walid “Jeff, I can see that I’l never succeeded in swaying you”

        The Jeffs and OlgRs aren’t interested. It’s not within a propagandists brief to be swayed or learn anything other than how to obfuscate, lie, deny, hijack threads. Anything but learn facts or truths.

        They do however unwittingly offer an opportunity to show other readers just how deceitful Israel’s apologists are, to hone argument and ways of presenting verifiable information other readers can take on board in order to form an intelligent well intentioned and fact based opinion which they might then use themselves whenever they encounter wholly holey moldy old Hasbara.

        I say bring it on …

      • puppies
        December 25, 2013, 11:35 pm

        No need to theorize: you listed most of the target borders for Greater Z (and not all, in fact; Lebanon is to be eaten whole) presented by Ben Gurion and approved by Poaleh Zion. 1937, I think, and of course never repealed (even if they repeal it, their word…)

      • ziusudra
        December 26, 2013, 7:21 am

        Greetings Walid,
        Mahab Habibi.
        Give them the pipedreams of their fairy tale list of coming conquests.
        Their avarice, hubris, narcissism. solipsism, nihilism will cause their own demise.
        With your knowlege of history & events knowing that there is no such precedence where a Vassal of an Empire, Zionistan to the US, ever lasted as long as the Empire itself. Even the Germanic hoards, as vassals of Rome, who finalized his 400 yr slow death, fell quickly themselves!
        ziusudra
        PS With so much support in the beginning, they lost their way & began their conquest, ocupation & apartheid & they just can’t walk away.
        They will be walked away in time. Ireland took 800 yrs. So. Africa took 400yrs. & Rhodesia took 90 yrs. The Falesteeni will be there when Zionism
        fades.

      • JeffB
        December 26, 2013, 3:54 pm

        @zisudra

        With your knowlege of history & events knowing that there is no such precedence where a Vassal of an Empire, Zionistan to the US, ever lasted as long as the Empire itself. Even the Germanic hoards, as vassals of Rome, who finalized his 400 yr slow death, fell quickly themselves!

        a) I’m fine with Jews having a normal lifecycle of a normal country.
        b) I don’t agree with your historical point. Vassals frequently, possibly more often than not outlast their empires.

        So the worst case seems to be the Vandals got pushed into North Africa and were then expelled (Ecru yet another example) outlasting Rome by a century. The Ostrogoths population got absorbed by the Franks to some extent and to some extent live on as Austria. The Visigoths lived on to see the new Holy Roman Empire and played a key role in forming it. Those that survived the invasion of Hispania are today the Spanish. The Franks are today the French. etc… So no.

        The Falesteeni will be there when Zionism fades.

        We shall see but I’m fine with that. If Israel has a good run of 500+ years I’ll have no complaints whomever takes it.

  10. Mivasair
    December 26, 2013, 6:53 pm

    Don’t worry about 250,000 “Western” olim moving to Israel-Palestine. That simply is not going to happen regardless of how much “education” is done. This entire campaign is not about that but rather is about how to pursuade wealthy donors to give more of their money to the JNF inspired by a totally romantic fantasy that they’d like to believe in.

    With thousands and thousands of educated Israelis leaving Israel every year to go and live in “the West”, wouldn’t it be a better investment to end the occupation, corruption, religious coersion, ethnic discrimination, etc, so that life in their own country would be attractive enough for them to want to stay there?

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