Report: Hamas offers Israel 10 conditions for a 10 year truce

Israel/Palestine
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Hamas graffiti in the West Bank, 2006. (Photo: Wikipedia)

“Hamas” graffiti in the West Bank, 2006. (Photo: Wikipedia)

Hamas is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it accepts 10 conditions. The Jerusalem Post reports, based on an Israeli Channel 2 newscast, that Azmi Bishara announced the proposal on Al Jazeera television today.   Bishara, a former Israeli Knesset member, fled Israel in 2007 after being accused of spying for Hezbollah. He is currently living in Qatar where he is a high level government advisor.

According to Ma’ariv (Hebrew) these are the conditions:

Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.

Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.

Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.

Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.

Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.

Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.

International forces on the borders.

Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.

Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.

86 Responses

  1. American
    July 16, 2014, 10:07 am

    All reasonable demands by Hamas.
    But any agreement with Israel is as worthless as the scorpion’s promise not to sting the frog if he carries him across the river.

    • Walid
      July 16, 2014, 10:33 am

      “All reasonable demands by Hamas.”

      Not all of them, American, one of the conditions can’t be accepted by the bad guys. It involves the 10-year hudna. Reason behind the 10 years, according to Hamas, is to give Israel the necessary time to get out of the totality of historic Palestine. A senior Hamas spokesman said so this afternoon in an interview.

      • American
        July 16, 2014, 11:40 am

        Walid says:

        July 16, 2014 at 10:33 am

        “All reasonable demands by Hamas.”

        Not all of them, American.>>>>>>>>>>>

        You understand, do you not, that when your adversary demands their everything—you also demand your everything.
        This has been the Palestine mistake from the beginning.
        This is the position they should have taken and broadcast to the world from the beginning to drive home on the public the truth of the violent expelling of the Palestines and the subsequent seizure of the refugees property.
        From there they can compromise down to the ‘establishment of Israel’ back to the original 1948 parcel awarded by the UN.
        They have let Israel ‘frame’ the stolen land situtation as Isr ‘giving their own rightfully settled land to Palestine for peace’ from the beginning—big mistake.

      • Walid
        July 16, 2014, 2:00 pm

        Palestinians with a lot of help from the other Arabs have been making big mistakes since 1947. As if the Palestinians don’t have enough of always looking over their shoulder for what the Zionists are trying to do to them, they also have to keep looking out what the Arabs are also trying to do to them. Yesterday’s stunt in Egypt of agreeing to a cease-fire without discussing it with Hamas is a typical example

      • Abierno
        July 16, 2014, 2:34 pm

        Walid here is another perspective on these events: It should be no surprise that when Abbas and the Arab League went to the UN, the axis of Blair, Bibbi, Sisi and Kerry hightailed it to Cairo (telephonically) to hammer out a cease fire. Also, no surprise that these august world leaders did not deem it necessary to consult Hamas and, given the circumstances, simply looked to shove it down the supposedly compliant Abbas’ throat. As reflected in Haaretz, this was really a direct attempt to resurrect the state of Palestine as two separate countries. Negotiations could be expected to come later, and follow the usual Israeli pathway – endless in time, marred by numerous extra judicial killings, massive arrests. Most important however the Likud/Beiteinu drumbeat of extermination, expulsion and subjugation could be expected to continue. International consensus is that given the massive power imbalance, only an international diplomatic effort can be expected to resolve current issues, particularly those which lie behind this war which actually started 24 hours after Palestine announced a unity government which met US/European guidelines: Headed by Abbas, layered with technocrats who could not under any circumstances be labeled
        terrorists. Hamas ostensibly gave up power, but as is now obvious, retained considerable military and political power in the infrastructure in Gaza.
        This war mirrors the timing of Operation Pillar of Cloud/Fire which was
        initiated just after Palestine went to the UN and received statehood status.
        As numerous non US pundits are pointing out, Israeli violated virtually every agreement contained in that negotiated ceasefire – with not only impunity but also fierce criticism of Hamas of any response to these violations.

      • Walid
        July 16, 2014, 3:33 pm

        Agreed, Abierno. I don’t think Abbas needed to have his arm twisted to sign on to the phony unconditional cease-fire. He surely admires Hamas as much as the other Arab leaders do. This morning, after Hamas’ flat rejection of the Cairo cease-fire, Abbas is all over the place asking for a cease-fire to be conditional upon the lifting of the siege and a couple of other “look-good” requests. Must have had a vision in his sleep. I’ve been hearing news reports from both the West Bank and Gaza in which the general population is backing Hamas all the way and would not want it to buckle to an unconditional cease-fire no matter the cost to them.

        This is Palestine’s once-in-a-generation opportunity to become free and the Palestinians are feeling it.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 17, 2014, 2:04 am

        Abierno, excellent comment. i agree completely.

        one minor timeline issue tho:

        This war mirrors the timing of Operation Pillar of Cloud/Fire which was
        initiated just after Palestine went to the UN and received statehood status.

        pillar of cloud was initiated right before Palestine went to the UN to pressure them not to seek statehood status, see “Did Israel provoke rockets from Gaza to pressure Palestinians to back off UN bid?” Nov 12, 2012. (palestinians went to the UN in nov 29)

        link to mondoweiss.net

        As we reported earlier, on the evening of November 7 in Israel, 10 hours after Obama was elected to his second term in office the Defense Minister of the Israel, Ehud Barak went on the radio and said the Palestinian UN bid had to be delayed “immediately.” The next day a Palestinian child was dead, killed in Gaza by invading Israeli military forces. That news has been erased from the narrative rapidly developing over the last 72 hours.

        At dawn, the morning after the Defense Minister’s radio address, Israel military forces crossed over the border into Gaza with tanks and bulldozers sparking off a new round violence when 13-year-old Ahmed Younis Khader Abu Daqqa was killed by rounds of live ammunition fired by an Israeli military helicopter on Nov, 8. The Popular Resistance Committees responded by firing rockets into southern Israel saying they were a “revenge invoice” for the increased Israeli attacks on Gazans, making it clear they viewed the Israeli attacks as a provocation. Still, the Palestinian response has served as a PR-friendly casus belli to “prepare international public opinion for an Israeli operation in Gaza.”

        then days after i reported that, we published on Nov 15 “Palestinian UN envoy: Attack was ‘deliberately timed to torpedo the UN vote’” link to mondoweiss.net

        and 2 days later Nov 17 “Abbas: Israel instigating ‘blood bath’, aimed at sinking endeavors to reach the UN” link to mondoweiss.net

      • Annie Robbins
        July 17, 2014, 2:23 am

        the timeline is really important for several reasons. one being, it completely supports the notion how the constant drumbeat in the US and Israeli media over Iran was merely to impact US elections. it ended at a drop of a hat after the election results came in and that’s when all the focus of israel’s cabinet was aimed ending the statehood bid. that meeting, on nov 7 listed ways israel was going to punish palestinians.

        link to mondoweiss.net

        but their immediate action, the next day, was to invade gaza (see “Several Tanks Invade Khan Younis..eight Israeli tanks and four armored military bulldozers” link to imemc.org ) and murder a child in gaza which set off the war. predictable, the killing of Ahmed Younis Khader Abu Daqqa was ignored, but the gazan response (“revenge invoice”) was trumped by the media as the beginning, with israel’s “fired an artillery shell at a number of Palestinian children who were playing football” on saturday dubbed as “response” . see ” Why did Israel invade Gaza at dawn on Thursday with eight tanks and four bulldozers?” link to mondoweiss.net

    • aloeste
      July 16, 2014, 10:44 am

      they added in 3,4,6 and 8 because they know those are total non-starters….

      • Abierno
        July 17, 2014, 11:20 am

        @Annie Robbins. Thanks, not only for the correction, but the excellent detail in the context. I always appreciate your insightful writing and posts.

  2. Kay24
    July 16, 2014, 10:08 am

    These are reasonable demands, they are not asking for special favors, basically they want to have their rights as all human being deserves, freedom, and be able to worship in peace in their holy places. ALL rights already enjoyed by the occupying country.
    The UN, US and UK should be ashamed, that they are preventing these poor people from their basic rights, by supporting the military occupier keep these crimes going.
    Shame on you, America, stop pretending you care for human rights when it suits you, or when you want to attack another sovereign nation. You start with the biggest criminals first, the ones that have kept these people in concentration camps. That would be Israel.
    It is sad that these people beg for their basic rights, and no one gives a damn.

    • Walid
      July 16, 2014, 10:43 am

      As anticipated, Egypt, Israel, the Arab League, Blair and Abbas all agreed on an unconditional ceasefire, but they all neglected to get Hamas’ consent to it. When Hamas formally rejected the idiotic offer, all hell broke lose and Israel intensified its murderous attacks on Gaza, the last one about an hour ago in which 3 missiles were aimed at children playing on the beach and a soccer playing field.

      The immediate reaction to the massacre of the 4 kids of the Bakr family all under the age of 10 in Gaza and on the West Bank is similar to the one when Abu khdeir was killed.

  3. mondonut
    July 16, 2014, 10:29 am

    Wow. Some balls.

    Israel has zero incentive to allow Hamas to profit from their rocket attacks, and every reason not to. Step 1, Hamas stops shooting. Step 2, the Palestinians (not Hamas) sit down and negotiate terms for peace and/or truce.

    • Justpassingby
      July 16, 2014, 10:39 am

      mondonut

      Tell me your name, after all you have professed your genocidal ideas which is certainly immoral but also illegal under american law. I dare you.

      • Mooser
        July 16, 2014, 2:24 pm

        Tell you his name? He most certainly has, he’s the Mondo “nut”.

        He’s a real charmer, that one. The other day he tried to blackmail me. Yup:
        “@Mooser
        So you would only be satisfied with a one station solution that eliminates Israel and makes the Jewish people a minority subject to the whims of their enemies?”

        A real charmer, that one. He makes the enemies, but somehow, it’s my responsibility, because, see, supporting the extreme forms of Zionism only proves what a good Jew you are, more “knowledgeable” than other Jews. Certainly entitled to blackmail Jews.

      • ziusudra
        July 17, 2014, 1:26 pm

        Greetings Mooser,
        …Mondo Nut….
        Now you know why he paints himself as a World Nut!
        World deriving from old anglo-saxon 5th C AD.
        Wor=Wer= Man; ld= Age: The Age of Man.
        He rather be Nut in our Age.
        ziusudra
        PS He could have also labeled himself a Wer-Wolf.

    • a blah chick
      July 16, 2014, 10:55 am

      “The Palestinians (not Hamas) sit down and negotiate terms for peace and/or truce.”

      How about this, the Palestinians will elect people to Israel’s liking if the Israelis will elect people to Palestinians’ liking. Fair is fair.

      • amigo
        July 16, 2014, 11:31 am

        “How about this, the Palestinians will elect people to Israel’s liking if the Israelis will elect people to Palestinians’ liking. Fair is fair.”ABC

        Your,e asking Israelis to be involved in an exercise that requires the concept of fairness.

        Good luck

      • mondonut
        July 16, 2014, 12:02 pm

        @amigo

        Who said anything about elections?

      • amigo
        July 16, 2014, 2:08 pm

        ” Who said anything about elections?” mondonut.

        Look again Einstein.

      • mondonut
        July 16, 2014, 11:57 am

        @a blah chick

        The Palestinians themselves said that Hamas is out of the governing business, so why would they be in charge of negotiating peace/truce?

    • Kay24
      July 16, 2014, 11:12 am

      Yeah some balls to ask for basic human rights. The Palestinians and Hamas must always do what Israel demands, like the US does. What chutzpah.
      Even ex Mossad officials say Hamas would be better to negotiate than some other groups.
      Many around the world say Israel hard as it tries, can never get rid of Hamas,
      they will always prevail, besides, isn’t it a convenience to have that bogeyman around, so that illegal settlements can increase?

      • mondonut
        July 16, 2014, 11:59 am

        @Kay24

        So an airport and an industrial zone are basic human rights? Is lobbing rockets at a civilian population also a basic human right?

      • eljay
        July 16, 2014, 12:30 pm

        >> mondoinsane: Is lobbing rockets at a civilian population also a basic human right?

        It’s as much a human right as Israel’s 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder is self-defence.

      • pjdude
        July 16, 2014, 12:34 pm

        yes actually have the needed things to participate in the modern economy is a human right. defending them selves from thugs like you is a human right.

      • mondonut
        July 16, 2014, 12:56 pm

        @pjdude

        Sorry to confuse you but that was a rhetorical question, of course airports and industrial zones are not human rights. Everyone (but you) knows that.

      • pjdude
        July 16, 2014, 1:25 pm

        @mondonut

        you didn’t confuse me. your just very ignorant of what human rights entail. they themselves are not human rights but they are products of human rights. they have a right to provide for their families. gaza had an international airport and port before Israel destroyed them its only fair that Israel replace. so yes they are a product of human rights. so your rhetorical question shows your thuggery. palestinians most always beforced to rely on Israeli handouts. I’m sure if you asked people who understand human rights they’d agree with me.

        hell the universal decleration of human rights views the right to trade engage in economy as a human right

      • Kay24
        July 16, 2014, 1:43 pm

        I think when you blockade, continue a brutal military occupation, steal other’s lands, build illegal settlements, control their water, kill their unarmed civilians at fences, checkpoints, and at every excuse to send those precision bombs at civilian structures, keep over 1.5 million unarmed people in an open concentration camp, then YOU deserve more than rockets and stones being lobbed at you. You are asking for it, and cannot expect human beings to not react to the brutality.
        Yes, an airport and an industrial zone are rights any people must have access to, so that they can progress and freely go in and out of their state.
        You whine about rockets, so how about those F16’s, precision bombs, white phosphorous, apache helicopters, and so many other deadly weapons, the 6th ranking military force, uses on UNARMED civilians, that a basic human right? You know that is a whole lot of zionist bull. You know how many those rockets killed this time ONE, you know how many your arsenal of deadly weapons massacred this time? That would be more than 200. Basic human rights eh?

      • chet
        July 16, 2014, 2:42 pm

        “You know how many those rockets killed this time ONE”

        The Israeli who died from shrapnel wounds at the Erez crossing was killed not by a rocket, but by a mortar round — he was delivering food to an Israeli military encampment which is a legitimate target of war.

        It may seem a quibble, but mortar rounds are capable of being aimed and are an accepted weapon of war while the “home-made fireworks” that have killed no Israelis, are not.

        link to haaretz.com

    • amigo
      July 16, 2014, 11:35 am

      mondonut, have you been hibernating?.

      The 2SS is dead.What,s to negotitiate about.

      Move on mn.

      1S 1P 1V and a whole lot of BDS.

      • mondonut
        July 16, 2014, 4:58 pm

        amigo says: What,s to negotitiate about.
        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
        There is a list of 10 items right up top that they can start negotiating about.

    • pjdude
      July 16, 2014, 12:32 pm

      their giving you an out you don’t deserve you. If you’ll read and turn off your bigotry for just a few moments and look over it most involve boosting gaza’s economy. guess what richer people tend to be less violent and support less violence. Israel if it serious wants peace has every reason to accept that. I know its not the genocide you want.

      • ritzl
        July 16, 2014, 7:21 pm

        Exactly, pjdude. These very reasonable demands are offered up as a [increasingly?] self-evident alternative to killing. If Israel rejects them as “non-starters” it makes it abundantly clear that killing is the Israeli desire. It’s really hard to look at it (credibly) any other way.

        Hamas is offering Israel an obvious and credible alternative to killing. In a roundabout (maybe direct?) but f’d up, deadly Sophie’s choice* sort of way, that’s a position of strength. Or at least it might be if Israel didn’t care so little about Palestinian life.

        *Suffer more killing now to maybe enter into an actual solution mode on this while the world is paying attention and sickened, or suffer the same amount of killing, ongoing, piecemeal, and unnoticed while the world looks away. Hell of a fucking choice.

      • pjdude
        July 17, 2014, 5:15 pm

        almost everything revolves around economic from the demands. Israel quits killing the palestinian economy violence will be much more subdued.

    • ritzl
      July 16, 2014, 7:40 pm

      @mondonut- Noobs reading this should know that Hamas’ “profit” also means an end to [increasingly potent] rockets raining down on Israel. Forever.

      So, for noobs, what you are saying is that the Israeli body politic perceives that it has nothing to gain from solving this problem peacefully and durably and at the earliest opportunity! I think that’s an accurate description of the Israeli policy. Thanks for the clarity.

    • Talkback
      July 17, 2014, 9:20 am

      Step 1, Hamas stops shooting.

      So your Apartheid Junta continues to break this truces?

      Step 2, the Palestinians (not Hamas) sit down and negotiate terms for peace and/or truce.

      With whom? Your Apartheid Junta cannot maintain denying the Palestinians their fundamental rights and uphold occupation and siege without using violence against innocent people.

      That’s the reason why your Junta rejected multiple proposals by Hamas to stop attacking civilians. You can’t commit your ongoing crimes without oppressing Palestinians.

  4. eljay
    July 16, 2014, 11:02 am

    >> Hamas is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it accepts 10 conditions. … According to Ma’ariv (Hebrew) these are the conditions …

    Very reasonable.

  5. Kay24
    July 16, 2014, 11:28 am

    Israel had better hurry up and give these poor people their basic rights and freedom soon. They are going to feel like they are collectively punished when their economy takes a hit, like it already has started (BDS starting to affect their economy too):

    “No. 1 Dutch travel firm cancels Israel trips
    No new bookings for Israel with departure dates in the next three weeks will be accepted, TUI announced.
    Following its German sister company’s lead, the Dutch branch of Europe’s TUI travel giant has called off all tours of Israel due to the rocket fire there.

    TUI Nederland, which is Holland’s largest travel group, on Tuesday announced the cancellation of its tours and flights to Eilat, Israel’s southern port city and holiday destination, following a similar move over the weekend by the much larger German branch, which is Germany’s largest travel group and the operator of the TUIfly airline.”

    link to haaretz.com

    Yeah Israel your bloody massacre has consequences, now face it without whining.
    It is only the start.

    • amigo
      July 16, 2014, 11:46 am

      Kay , I was at the Dublin protest last Saturday and one of the speakers is a high up official in the “Irish Congress of Trade Unions” which has some 800 k members .He indicated that the congress is preparing a vote to boycott handling all Israeli goods.

      That will grow quickly.People will not show up at protests but they sure as hell will vote with their “debit cards” when it comes to Apartheid and oppression of innocent people.

      Look for Israeli screams of antisemitism and Jew hatred when the BDS gets under their collective skin.We will see how they like a legal version of collective punishment.

      • Kay24
        July 16, 2014, 1:52 pm

        They can dish out but cannot take it amigo. They are like little spoilt brats throwing a tantrum when things do not go their way. I hope BDS will now be inevitable, because Israel is out of control, and too full of brutality to see any sense. Now blaming Khamas seems to be a weak argument. These conditions should be seen by the entire world.
        Let’s close our ears, the whining about anti-semitism will start soon, and sugar daddy will comfort it’s precious “victim” from the rest of the world.

    • Walid
      July 16, 2014, 12:08 pm

      “Yeah Israel your bloody massacre has consequences, now face it without whining.
      It is only the start.”

      Israel running out of luck and friends; the beach and soccer field where massacre happened this afternoon is right next door to the hotel where all the international journalists are staying.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 16, 2014, 12:35 pm

        Yes, as I said on another post still in pre-mod limbo, even The Guardian’s Peter Beaumont, who had acted like an IDF spokesman until now, describes the horror of the attack, claiming that the gunner seems to have deliberately targetted the boys.

        The Beeb, however, offers the excuse that ‘the IDF probably couldn’t see the boys’ and that that area had been used for firing rockets. Maybe it will take a BBC ‘journalist’ to duck Israeli bombs themselves before they get they dare speak out.

      • Walid
        July 16, 2014, 3:10 pm

        Maximus, with Israel, massacres are never ending, always involve innocent civilians comprised mostly of women and children and it’s always an accident. In 1996, the snake Prime Minister Peres for his upcoming reelection campaign launched a war on Lebanon in which Israel deliberately shelled a UN compound at Qana where 750 civilians had taken refuge. 106 civilians were killed and 116 were injured. The scumbag pretended it had been a targeting error but the UN officers provided a video of Israeli helicopters hovering over the base just before the firing. Peres lost the elections.

        10 years later, Israel did a repeat performance at Qana, shelling a 3-flat building and killing 28 civilians that included 16 children. Israel pretended that Hizbullah had been firing katyushas from that building but it was proven that that the allegation by Israel was bogus.

        That same year in 2006, Israel shelled a densely populated neighbourhood of Beit Hanoun in Gaza in the middle of the night in which 19 died and 40 were injured. Israel claimed it was a technical malfunction.

        In 2006 there was another massacre by Israel, this time at Beit Lahya, Gaza, where offshore ships shelled the beach where people were having a picnic. 8 Palestinians were killed and 30 injured. 12 shells hit the beach supposedly during an Israeli naval exercise but Israel said that the family of 8 was killed by a land mine when one of the shells hit it. I could go on about deliberate massacres by the Israeli forces but I’m tired of listing them.

        This was to prepare you for the bogus reason that Israel will be coming out with as to why 4 children had to die.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 16, 2014, 4:09 pm

        They’re already pushing the line that the soliders ”mistook the boys for Hamas fighters”.

        So that’s OK then. Now, given that the ‘start up nation’ presumably has some pretty sophisticated surveillance equipment, it beggers belief a tad that they could not distinguish between 4 boys and ‘Hamas fighters’. And what the fup would ”Hamas fighters” have been doing kicking a ball around a beach, in full view, in broad daylight? But that’s their story and they’re sticking to it.

        BTW with regard to Israel’s last Gaza beach massacre in 2OO6 – another World Cup special from the IDF – I will NEVER forget watching an interview with Tony Blair and Ehud Olmert. Someone mentioned the massacre to Olmert who responded with the usual ‘we are investigating’ line. And as if that wasn’t bad enough, Blair had to come to his rescue and say we didn’t know that Israel was to blame, even though it was perfectly obvious that they were. It just confirmed to me what an odious, evil little twat Blair is. Why the fup should a British PM be taking sides and offering comment here? He would never ever do that in the case of a ‘hamas rocket’.

        The fact that man is still ‘Middle East peace envoy’ is proof that we are living in very strange times.

      • Penfold
        July 16, 2014, 4:42 pm

        “That same year in 2006, Israel shelled a densely populated neighbourhood of Beit Hanoun in Gaza in the middle of the night in which 19 died and 40 were injured. Israel claimed it was a technical malfunction. ”

        See that proves Israel isn’t lying they do have the most malfunctioning army in the world.

        No wait they call it something else which I suspect is a malfunction as well.

      • Penfold
        July 16, 2014, 4:16 pm

        Maybe someone should explain to the BBC that the same jounalists that saw and reported the Israeli attack would have seen and reported any rocket fire from the location as well.

      • Abierno
        July 16, 2014, 5:25 pm

        I would agree. Peter Beaumont of the Guardian states they came from
        a gunship. He was there. It’s also surmised the shelling was deliberate.
        Much easier to say that the children were not deliberately targeted if
        you are thousands of feet in the air as opposed to a few hundred feet offshore. I would think that those on the ground can differentiate between a rocket strike and an artillery shell.

      • oldgeezer
        July 16, 2014, 6:29 pm

        “Maybe someone should explain to the BBC that the same jounalists that saw”

        Of course not. How could they see that as they’re antisemitic.

        There’s always an excuse for a zionist to kill an innocent.

      • ritzl
        July 16, 2014, 7:41 pm

        @Penfold- Ouch!

      • amigo
        July 16, 2014, 8:28 pm

        “Israel claimed it was a technical malfunction. ” penfold

        Israel is a technical malfunction.

      • just
        July 16, 2014, 12:44 pm

        First they murder 9 soccer fans, now they murder children playing soccer.

        And before this horrendous massacre:

        “This is only the latest instance of the targeting of Palestinian soccer players by the Israeli army and security forces. Death, injury or imprisonment has been a reality for several members of the Palestinian national team over the last five years.”

        link to thenation.com

        All in the shadow of the World Cup and the jubilation surrounding it…

      • Sumud
        July 16, 2014, 1:48 pm

        …the beach and soccer field where massacre happened this afternoon is right next door to the hotel where all the international journalists are staying.

        Exactly, and here’s Ayman Mohyeldin on MSNBC saying exactly that. Clips of people on the beach afterwards and then some gut-wrenching footage of the family at the hospital, AM says the entire scene unfolded in front of international media cameras.

        Even ice queen Andrea Mitchell was visibly shaken after he finished. The cow went on to say that Hamas were benefiting from this kind of emotional events and asked her 2nd guest that Israel could put with with this pressure.

        Still – the genie is out of the bottle more and more. All the stuff that Israel managed to keep the world from seeing in 2008/09 by making the international journalists is now on full display.

        link to msnbc.com

      • Kay24
        July 16, 2014, 1:49 pm

        They sure are. Looks like this time those who do not deliberately aim at civilians, have a whole lot of lying to do, again.

      • oldgeezer
        July 16, 2014, 6:37 pm

        I found Jake Tapper on cnn to be particularly cold and insulting today. He spent several minutes with a sincere (sounding) and heartfelt (gag) asking can’t we spare a moment to remember and care about the four children today and the three innocent Israeli’s.

        Totally forgotten were the two youths gunned down by the IDF. Abu Khdeir and the estimated 40-50 children killed by Israel in this wanton massacre.
        They didn’t exist.

        Implied is well Israel lost a few, Palestinians lost a few let’s consider it equal.

        Yes it’s kind of equal if we forget the vast majority of those killed. All of them children. Most of them killed in cold blood by Israel.

  6. Marnie
    July 16, 2014, 12:51 pm

    Shouldn’t there be the quid pro quo demand that Israel “recognize” Hamas and their right to exist? Bravo for taking the higher road – Bravo!

  7. American
    July 16, 2014, 1:24 pm

    link to foreignpolicy.com

    You Can’t Kill Hamas, You Can Only Make It Stronger
    Experts and insiders say that Israel’s military offensive will only further radicalize the Palestinian population — and alienate frustrated friends in the United States.
    BY Mark Perry JULY 14, 2014

    snips..

    Is Hamas isolated? Is it weakened? In fact, according to a number of U.S. military and intelligence analysts, the truth is just the opposite. Hamas is strong — and Israel’s current attack on it will likely make it stronger.

    This is also true for Gaza — where, despite the Israeli onslaught, the Hamas leadership has remained untouched. Nor is Hamas desperate to negotiate a cease-fire with the Israelis. On July 9, a senior Arab diplomat in Amman, Jordan, passed on a report from one of his Egyptian colleagues: Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi had been in touch with the Hamas leadership, he said, offering to mediate the conflict.
    “Hamas turned him down,” this diplomat reported. “They said, ‘If Israel wants to come, let them come.'”

    Osama Hamdan, the head of Hamas’s foreign relations bureau, whom I reached by telephone the same day, would not confirm the report. But when I asked him to give his assessment of the pressures his movement was under, he hesitated for only a moment.
    “We’re fine,” he said.
    * * *
    This isn’t the first time that Israeli and American observers have predicted Hamas’s demise. In fact, they have been doing so since 2006 — only to be disappointed each time.
    When the Palestinians held legislative elections in January 2006, then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was supremely confident of a Fatah victory. With the United States supplying Fatah with campaign expertise and funding, she believed, Hamas would lose the elections and be discredited. But Hamas won — in a landslide.
    Israel then cut off Gaza from basic foodstuffs and commercial goods. As one Israeli official put it, the idea was to “put the Palestinians on a diet,” creating an economic crisis so severe that Hamas would lose its popular standing. It didn’t happen. So, in 2007, the United States decided to support the creation of a Fatah militia to crush Hamas in Gaza. Instead, Hamas preempted the operation — in vicious but short-lived fighting, it was Fatah that was removed from Gaza, not Hamas.

    A series of Israeli military operations since then has similarly failed to destroy Hamas. Operation Cast Lead, launched in December 2008, resulted in 1,400 Palestinian deaths, as well as the deaths of three Israeli civilians and six IDF soldiers, over the three-week operation. Operation Pillar of Defense, in November 2012, aimed to “cripple terror organizations in the Gaza Strip and defend Israelis living under fire,” according to the IDF. At the end of each operation, Israel extolled its military successes — providing lists of Hamas leaders it had killed, plus weapons depots, rocket stores, launchpads, and suspected Hamas command posts it had destroyed. But at the end of each operation, Hamas remained in control of Gaza and capable of launching rockets at Israel.

    Some U.S. military officials have grown exasperated with the perpetual claims that Hamas is on the verge of being destroyed.
    “It’s nearly impossible to quantify Hamas’s capabilities or its ability to survive the current attacks,” said a senior U.S. military officer who monitors the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “But I would say that given its history, the ‘Hamas is finished’ scenario is an exaggeration…. The movement has shown that it’s capable of taking a punch.”

    Israel has not only failed to eliminate Hamas, but its approach to the Palestinians has antagonized its most important ally, the United States. Following the collapse of Secretary of State John Kerry’s attempt to negotiate a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, U.S. officials have shown signs of both conflict fatigue and frustration with the Israeli government.

    The most uncomfortable exchange between Kerry and Netanyahu, this diplomat said, took place in early February, after Kerry arrived in Jerusalem from a meeting with European officials at the Munich Security Conference. This diplomat said that Kerry had expected that the Munich meeting would focus on Eastern Europe and the Ukraine crisis. Instead, European officials harangued Kerry about his Israeli-Palestinian mediation efforts. If Israel didn’t get serious about the peace process, Kerry was told, the European Union was willing to support efforts to delegitimize and boycott it. When Kerry responded that the United States would oppose such efforts, he was rebuffed: Europe, he was told, had run out of patience.

    According to this same senior diplomat, when the secretary of state arrived in Jerusalem on Feb. 2, he carried a harsh message for Netanyahu. In a private meeting, an impatient Kerry told Netanyahu that “Israel is in trouble in Europe” and that the Europeans had “stopped listening” to American advice. Netanyahu thought he was being lectured, and he responded angrily. “Israel will not be blackmailed into signing an agreement with the Palestinians” that would endanger its security, he said. “He actually wagged his finger at the secretary of state,” the senior diplomat told me. “Can you imagine? He wagged his finger at him.”

    Kerry was exasperated, but no more so than when the details of his meeting were leaked to the Israeli media. Within hours, Israeli Economy Minister Naftali Bennett accused Kerry of serving as a “mouthpiece” for anti-Semitic forces.
    Kerry’s advisors were convinced that Netanyahu, who feared a collapse of his government, was responsible for the leak and had approved Bennett’s statement. Confronting Kerry was a standard strategy for Netanyahu, as it appeased the Israeli right — but being called an anti-Semite was a bridge too far.
    “A mouthpiece for anti-Semites? Just incredible. Really, there’s only so much you can take,” the U.S. diplomat told me at the time.

    But while navigating the shoals of Israeli politics was hazardous enough, Kerry also had to contend with the Palestinian leadership. Abbas and his aides, a senior Fatah official said, had deep disagreements over their negotiating strategy. Abbas was being too accommodating to Israel, a number of them argued — which was strengthening Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza. The more Abbas negotiated, the weaker he looked.
    The deep tensions at the very top of the Ramallah leadership were most obvious during a meeting Kerry held with lead Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat and Abbas several months prior to his February meeting with Netanyahu. During the meeting, as Kerry looked on in discomfort, Abbas turned on the sometimes long-winded Erekat. “Just shut up,” Abbas shouted at him. “Can’t you shut up? All you do is talk. Just shut up.”
    Abbas then turned to Kerry. “Don’t listen to him,” he said. “You’re negotiating with me.”
    By early March, Abbas was facing off against several of his more outspoken senior Fatah leaders, according to one well-placed Fatah official. In one session in Abbas’s office in Ramallah this year, Abbas turned on one of his critics, accusing him of being pro-Hamas. “How can you defend these people?” he shouted. “They are the ones who have embraced Iran. How do you think that looks?”
    His critic wheeled on him, said the Fatah official. “That’s right. And we’re the ones who have embraced Israel. How do you think that looks?” Abbas’s critic stormed from the room, shouting at the Palestinian president over his shoulder.

    According to the Fatah official, Abbas reassured Kerry that the reconciliation agreement was designed to “destroy Hamas” by bringing it into the political process and then defeating it in subsequent elections. “I hate Hamas,” Abbas told Kerry, according to this Fatah official. “But don’t worry — I have a plan for them. You’ll see.”
    Netanyahu aides were quick to dismiss Abbas’s strategy for Hamas. They “absolutely howled with laughter,” the senior U.S. diplomat who spoke to me about the February Netanyahu-Kerry meeting said.
    “It was just incredible,” this U.S. diplomat told me in March. “They gave [Kerry] the ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’ routine, saying that Abbas’s strategy showed that there was no difference between him and the terrorists. They even claimed that Abbas’s real strategy was to turn over the PA [Palestinian Authority] to Khaled Meshaal [the head of Hamas’s political bureau].”

    Kerry, this diplomat went on to say, could hardly believe what he was hearing. If Israel was convinced that Abbas was a stalking horse for Hamas, why did they engage in the peace process to begin with? “This was just crazy,” the senior U.S. diplomat said. “The secretary was stunned.”

    “This idea that attacking Hamas can strengthen Palestinian moderates is just silly,” this same intelligence officer told me. “The truth is that [Operation] Protective Edge has weakened Abbas and left a void in the West Bank. And guess who’s going to step in? Israel doesn’t seem to have an answer to the ‘what next’ question.”

    The “what next question” is a worry for an increasing number of U.S. diplomats and intelligence officers. Successive Israeli attacks on Gaza over the last years have splintered Gaza’s militant groups — strengthening some, such as certain elements in the Popular Resistance Committees and Islamic Jihad, that are far more radical than Hamas. In 2007, again in 2009, and then just last May, the Hizb ut-Tahrir movement, which calls for the establishment of a caliphate to “liberate the Holy Land,” held rallies in Hebron and Ramallah that attracted a small but dedicated band of followers.
    “In the American media, it’s ‘Hamas, Hamas, Hamas,'” Yousef Munayyer, the executive director of the Jerusalem Fund, said. “It’s a great talking point, but this shouldn’t be about talking points. Israel’s actions are radicalizing Palestinian society. Maybe that’s what they want, but I can’t imagine that’s what we want.”
    While Israeli officials might lump Hamas in with ISIS, the group itself has been increasingly worried about the emergence of more radical Islamist movements. This could be clearly seen in the immediate aftermath of the June 12 kidnapping and murder of the three Israeli teens, which took Hamas’s leadership by surprise. “They were caught flat-footed,” the senior Fatah official with whom I spoke confirmed. “They didn’t order the kidnapping or the murder and were surprised it happened. We ourselves thought it wasn’t aimed at Israel, but at breaking up the unity agreement.”
    Hamdan, the head of Hamas’s foreign relations bureau, refused to comment on this speculation, but denied that Hamas was behind the incident. “To this moment we don’t know” who the perpetrators are, he told me in the immediate aftermath of the kidnapping. He provided the same answer when I gave him the names of the prime suspects, members of the Qawasmeh family of Hebron. “We don’t know,” he repeated.
    With Operation Protective Edge entering its eighth day, the United States is now scrambling to again find a way out of the conflict. But unlike previous confrontations, getting both sides to agree on a cease-fire will be much more difficult. “Abbas is weakened; Israel has a government that needs to show how tough it is; and Hamas is looking at its competitors in Gaza,” said Nathan J. Brown, a professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington University. “There aren’t too many exit points. The current crisis could go on for quite some time and be very bloody.”
    So far, Israel’s eight-year attempt to batter Hamas into submission has not only met with failure, but its successive military onslaughts might just have succeeded in creating an increasingly radicalized Palestinian population and alienating Israel’s most powerful ally.
    “Why would you adopt policies that actually create more Islamists?” asks a former U.S. intelligence analyst who spent his career monitoring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “And why would you offend a secretary of state and a country that’s one of your last friends in the world? The unalterable and, for many, unutterable truth of this conflict is that Israel should stop looking out and start looking in. It’s time for them to admit that their strategy of isolating Hamas, weakening Fatah, and offending America hasn’t worked and won’t work. Maybe it’s time to try something else.”

    • ritzl
      July 16, 2014, 7:49 pm

      Great article, American. Thanks.

      Mark Perry was interviewed on PBS News Hour last night. He laid out an excellent recap of the situation with actual refreshing context. Margaret Warner looked befuddled, but didn’t interrupt.

      But then Gwen Ifill recapped with a context-free, “Hamas rejects ceasefire.” at the end of the show.

      Hopefully there will be more Mark Perry filtering into the Beltway discussion as the facts increasingly bubble up to negate/question the deadly CW.

    • ritzl
      July 16, 2014, 8:05 pm

      BTW, there’s a #TrySomethingElse hashtag on Twitter if it fits into anyone’s view.

  8. seafoid
    July 16, 2014, 1:26 pm

    link to haaretz.com

    “Israel ambassador to U.S. Jews: Hamas winning war of public opinion
    Israel is being portrayed as a well-armed giant leaving many innocent victims in its wake during the current crisis with Hamas, Dermer said.”

    Dermer said Israelis were regarded as a shower of bloodthirsty w#nkers and that despite Mahane Yehuda’s and Jon S’s best efforts at MW the media battle has been lost.

    Israel even rolled out the Hasbara fags who looked really fabulous and spoke about gay rights in Tel Aviv but to no avail.

    BTW the bots never hold back on the lying

    “Those of you who doubt Israel is holding these standards, remember that only one other country has faced this amount of rocket fire, that is Great Britain during World War II”

    Vietnam ? Iraq? Korea ?

    • eljay
      July 16, 2014, 1:45 pm

      >> link to haaretz.com

      “Anyone making Israel’s case should make the case of how other countries facing similar threats would act,” he advised the federation leaders.

      Correction: Anyone making Israel’s case should make the case of how other oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist countries engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder and facing similar threats would act.

    • Kay24
      July 16, 2014, 1:58 pm

      “Israel ambassador to U.S. Jews: Hamas winning war of public opinion
      Israel is being portrayed as a well-armed giant leaving many innocent victims in its wake during the current crisis with Hamas, Dermer said.”

      Well Dermer, Israel is a well armed (6th in ranking for weapons manufacturing) giant (top 10 in the world for military might too) and IS leaving innocent victims in it’s wake (or massacre) during the current crisis with Hamas. Get real man.
      The lies are not jelling here, stop making an ass of yourself, like Oren did.

      • lysias
        July 16, 2014, 2:38 pm

        Israel is being portrayed as a well-armed giant leaving many innocent victims in its wake during the current crisis with Hamas, Dermer said.

        Who’s portraying Israel that way? Surely not the U.S. media (to judge by what I hear on NPR and see on local D.C. television).

        As a matter of fact, I believe I remember hearing Dermer himself interviewed overnight, while I was still in bed. So, it was probably on NPR (might have been BBC), and he made exactly the point he says here he wants made, how much fire Israel is under. Nobody stopped him from making the point.

    • Kay24
      July 16, 2014, 2:15 pm

      Pathetic he has to appeal to the American Jews to do hasbara for Israel.
      Israel has only itself to blame. Hamas does not have to do any PR work, Israel’s own actions are helping them win it.

  9. seafoid
    July 16, 2014, 1:35 pm

    Collateral economic damage for Israel
    link to haaretz.com

    “This year was supposed to break records for both incoming and outgoing tourism. But with every additional day of fighting, the situation seems increasingly irretrievable.
    Travel agents and wholesalers, who do 40% of their annual business in July and August, reserved a large inventory of airplane seats and hotel rooms; tour guides were booked solid with groups and hotels were packed for the summer months. Today, it all looks very different. Travel agents are reporting drops of 30-60% in reservations. Hotels are coping with cancellations by Israelis who are putting off vacations out of solidarity or because they have been called up for reserve duty. Others have simply had their vacations canceled because they can’t take off from work during Operation Protective Edge. In the south, bed and breakfasts and tourist attractions and sites have been empty for three weeks.
    Manufacturing: Productivity falls

    Factory production began falling last week, as workers in the south stayed home due to the rockets or because their children’s day care or summer camps were canceled. Others were called up for reserve duty. Most plants continue to operate, albeit at a reduced level.

    One factory in Sderot burned down after taking a direct hit from a rocket. Some plant managers say they may have to close due to employee absenteeism. Other companies say the real threat to their business isn’t the rockets, but rather the dollar-shekel exchange rate

    Small businesses: Bankruptcy?

    As the range of Hamas’ rockets increased, more and more small businesses became vulnerable, and many are now in danger of bankruptcy. Hairdressers, printers and boutique hotels, to name a few types of small businesses, all have narrow profit margins and live from check to check, so any disruption to their cash flow can be fatal. Borrowing in order to survive until business picks up is an option. But loans must be repaid, and government compensation is likely to be partial at best and may take months to arrive.
    Ashdod Port: 
Even slower

    The movement of goods through the Ashdod Port dropped about 30% last week due to the frequent rocket barrages on the southern coastal city. In addition, the dockworkers’ union shut down the port for a few hours one day last week, claiming that workers did not have adequate protection from the rockets. ”

    Yossi Israeli has to pay for his bloodlust.

    • Walid
      July 16, 2014, 1:56 pm

      Encouraging news, seafood. Now Israelis are feeling what they make the Lebanese feel every 2 or 3 summers with their wars and border skirmishes that kill Lebanon’s tourist seasons for a few years each time. Israel can expect the same slump for the next 3 years.

      • Kay24
        July 16, 2014, 2:00 pm

        The word retribution comes to mind. Finally, let the occupier feel the suffering they inflicted on their neighbors. More to come.
        The best thing? Israelis doing it to itself. Brilliant.

      • seafoid
        July 16, 2014, 2:40 pm

        Very good news, walid. They need to hurt before seeing the light. Zero sympathy for the Israeli tourist industry. Netanyahu can’t MAKE anyone visit Israel.

      • seafoid
        July 16, 2014, 3:02 pm

        1300 homes in Gaza have been destroyed by israel. Surely a good number of israeli small firms deserve to go to the wall in sympathy.

      • Walid
        July 16, 2014, 3:46 pm

        seafood, there’s an obscenity in Israel’s senseless destruction of Palestinian property as every time cash is raised to rebuild, all building materials have to transit via Israel on which Israel gets a cut. It gives another dimension to the term “captive market”.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        July 16, 2014, 4:47 pm

        Israeli society has none of the resilience or strength of Palestinian society. They are spoiled brats, used to getting what they want, when they want. So even relatively minor inconveniences which would seem like nothing to Palestinians – such as having one’s viewing of the World Cup interrupted by rocket sirens – will hurt.

        That said, hatred and fear of Palestinians are so ingrained in this brainwashed society that it will take a lot more than a few empty hotels or small businesses shutting down to end the sadistic siege of Gaza.

      • seafoid
        July 16, 2014, 5:18 pm

        Maximus

        The rockets do change the money calculations this time around.
        And all of those Israelis running for bomb shelters can’t be good for productivity stats.

        This thing could go on for a few more weeks – Hamas are playing it quite well, I think. They want to change the status quo.

    • ritzl
      July 16, 2014, 8:09 pm

      Heh. Press cover from the World Cup Final or devastating peak tourism season. Decisions, decisions. What’s a Bibi to do?

  10. James Canning
    July 16, 2014, 2:00 pm

    Sensible proposal by Hamas.

    • Abierno
      July 16, 2014, 3:44 pm

      While the conditions apply only to Gaza, many appear to be conditions which could also apply to the West Bank. Since Palestine is now a unified country, is this a back door approach to obtaining similar conditions for Palestinians in the West
      Bank, or at least setting a precedent?

    • wes
      July 16, 2014, 5:50 pm

      James Canning says:
      July 16, 2014 at 2:00 pm

      “Sensible proposal by Hamas.”

      indeed a logical first step out of gaza.libya has great beaches.

  11. seafoid
    July 16, 2014, 3:05 pm

    Netanyahu blames Hamas for civilian deaths. Did Goering blame the jews for what the Nazis did to them?

    • Walid
      July 16, 2014, 5:54 pm

      But Goering didn’t have anyone with the genius of Marc Regev to explain things away for him.

      A command performance by the master slimeball himself; The fun part is in the subtitles that tell you exactly what the SOB is thinking.

      • Marnie
        July 17, 2014, 8:48 am

        That was hysterical! I can’t stand that pompous prick and it was great watching him squirm, with or without the subtitles! Thank you -

    • lysias
      July 16, 2014, 5:57 pm

      Did Goering blame the jews for what the Nazis did to them?

      That’s what he did after Kristallnacht. He made the insurance companies pay up for the damage done, but, because the Jews were supposedly to blame, the money went not to the Jewish owners of the damaged property, but to the German treasury.

      • ritzl
        July 16, 2014, 8:12 pm

        Scary, lysias.

  12. seafoid
    July 16, 2014, 4:40 pm

    The bots shouldn’t be persecuting Gaza. Only the Palestinians can guarantee their presence in the Middle East.

    “Then he spoke to me
    Looking me straight in the wine.
    At the end of every sentence you say in Hebrew
    Sits an Arab with a nargilah
    Even if it begins in Siberia

    (Meir Ariel, Shir Ke’ev –Song of Pain)

  13. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    July 16, 2014, 4:53 pm

    Ali Abunimah believes that Israel is using this ‘war’ as a way to sneak Abbas back in charge of Gaza.

    Not sure I agree. I think the current set-up suits Israel very well. The West Bank is tightly controlled by the Vichy regime, ensuring safety for the settlers and occupation soldiers. But because Israel needs ‘Palestinian violence’ to keep the people scared and claim to be the victim, a Gaza which is both militant and yet essentially without the power to hurt Israel is ideal. The classic divide and rule strategy.

  14. Sycamores
    July 17, 2014, 12:11 am

    Ira Glunts,

    Hamas has reduce the ten point blueprint for a ceasefire down to five

    Palestinian resistance faction Hamas will present a 5-point blueprint for a ceasefire with Israel in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, a Palestinian source close to Hamas said Wednesday.

    The blueprint calls for (1) reopening all Gaza crossings and (2) creating a naval corridor for the Palestinian territory, the source told Anadolu Agency.

    The proposal also calls for (3) a permanent opening of the Rafah crossing with Egypt and providing international guarantees that the terminal will not be closed.

    The Hamas plan also calls for (4) allowing free movement for the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip to Al-Aqsa Mosque in East Jerusalem and (5) the release of detainees who had been released as part of a 2011 prisoner swap but were rearrested several weeks ago on the pretext that they had violated the terms of their parole.

    i added the numbering

    http://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/359805–gaza-ceasefire-must-meet

    • eljay
      July 17, 2014, 7:18 am

      >> Hamas has reduce the ten point blueprint for a ceasefire down to five

      Still very reasonable. So, where is the Israeli Gandhi? Does King Bibi have him locked up in a dungeon somewhere?

    • ritzl
      July 17, 2014, 8:29 am

      Interesting, Sycamores. That would be a huge win for the people of Gaza. But there’s a win in there for Israel too because if Hamas agreed to this it would cleave Gaza from the WB in every meaningful political way. No longer could Hamas express unity by being the military counterthreat to ongoing Israeli viciousness in the WB.

      I wonder what’ll be more important to Israel, having the Hamas pretext to trot as a violent distraction or sealing the deal (from the myopic/blinkered Israeli PoV) in the WB.

      Israel undoubtedly wants both, but it may have to choose this time.

  15. Basilio
    July 17, 2014, 2:52 am

    I would be shocked if Israel’s leadership accept. Hamas is a convenient enemy – weak enough to pummel without causing damage, strong enough to rally against.

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