‘United States of Israel’ has compromised U.S. ‘sovereignty’ on Iran policy — Gideon Levy in D.C.

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Gideon Levy is a dean of Israeli journalism, a longtime columnist for Haaretz, and on Friday he gave an impassioned speech at the National Press Club appealing to Americans to change a pro-Israel policy that goes against U.S. interests and has made Israel a “lost case.”

His bluntest words were over Israel’s interference in the Iran deal:

Let’s call it from now on the United States of Israel. Because many times when someone looks at the relations between Israel and the United States, one might ask, who is really the superpower between the two? And those questions become much more valid in the recent days when you see what is going on in Iran. And really I am not in a position to tell Americans what to feel… But would I be an American, I would really be embarrassed. When you see a title in Haaretz, in my newspaper, which says two days ago…”Israel to pressure Congress to thwart Iranian nuclear deal.” And an Israeli official says [to] Haaretz, that Israel will lobby the US Congress to pass legislation that would make it difficult or even impossible to approve a comprehensive deal with Iran– Can you imagine yourself if it was the opposite, if someone had written that the Americans are trying to act in the Israeli parliament to change its decisions? We are dealing now really with almost questions of sovereignty. We are dealing, needless to say –that no state in the world would have dared to do it, and no statesman in the world. And I will tell you frankly, It’s not Israel’s fault. Israel is doing whatever it can– it’s the one who enables it.

Levy spoke at an all-day conference on the Israel lobby organized by the Institute for Research/Middle East Policy and the Washington Report for Middle East Affairs. He said he had come to plead with the American public to take control of Israel/Palestine policy before all is lost.

The large crowd was silent as he spoke in desperation of a society that had lost all connection with the world:

We have to face reality, and reality is that there is no chance for a change from within the Israeli society. No way…  The only hope is for an international intervention, and the only hope is from this place, from Washington, from the United States, from the EU. Only from there.

Because Israeli society is today by far too brainwashed. Life in Israel is by far too good. Israel is, let’s face, it a society which lives in denial, totally disconnected from reality. Would it be a private person, I would recommend either medication or hospitalization. Because people who lose connection to reality might be very dangerous either to themselves or to society. And the Israeli society lost connection with reality, it lost connection with the reality in its backyard, it totally lost connection with the international environment.

Really to believe that 5 million Jews know better than 6 billion people of the world? Really believe that 5 million Jews will be able to continue to live on their sword forever? Is the one example in history in which any country lived on its sword forever? Empires! Really believing that in the 21st century it is acceptable to ignore the international law in such a way, to ignore the international institutions and to rely only on the United States — and Micronesia.

Levy denounced the role of the Israel lobby in producing this mess.

[W]e are dealing with a corrupting friendship. If there wouldn’t be an Israel lobby, Israel would be a better place to live in, Israel would be a more just place. And I think that if it wouldn’t be the Israel lobby, the US would be a better place and a more democratic place. But it’s not for me to judge the American politics. Still by the end of the day we are dealing with an enigma. Nothing can explain it. Nothing can explain how administration after administration, legislators after legislators are going in the very same way which contradicts U.S. interest in so many cases, which contradicts international law, human rights, moral values, you name it. Can it be only this small group as powerful as it is, is it the full explanation? I doubt it but that’s for you to decide, not for us in Israel.

Levy said he thought at first the invitation– from conference organizers IRMEP and WRMEA– was from AIPAC, the premier Israel lobby group.

I said, That’s the chance of my life. I am going to come there to Washington and tell them, with friends like you, Israel does not need enemies.

But even though it wasn’t AIPAC, or even the Anti-Defamation League, the conference is so “crucial and so important,” Levy said, because it gives him hope that there will be change in the United States. “And we jump on any sign.”

He had jumped on the J Street opening in 2008. “Here it comes! But it didn’t come.” And when Obama was elected, Levy said he had cried in joy. “And it didn’t come.”

“Change will have to come here. In Israel– is a lost case, forget about it. Israeli society has surrounded itself with shields, with walls, not just physical walls but also mental walls.”

He said three principles allow Israelis to live easily with the brutal tyranny that is the occupation.

1, “We deeply believe we are the chosen people. Then we have the right to do what we want.”

2, Never in history has the occupier presented himself as the victim. And not only the victim– but the only victim around. (Here Levy brought down the house when he said that a day after Benjamin Netanyahu went to Paris and told all Jews to move to Israel, he said in Israel that Israel was living under an existential threat from an Iranian bomb. “I asked myself How can you dare call Jews to join this suicidal project wwhen the Iranians are going to bomb us?”)

3, Israelis have undertaken the “systematic dehumanization of the Palestinians.” And this allows Israelis to live with everything. Because the occupation does not involve questions of human rights.

“And if you scratch under the skin of almost every Israeli, you will find there, almost no one will treat the Palestinians as equal human beings like us.”

This set of three beliefs has allowed Israelis to live in peace with those ongoing crimes, for many years.

Levy first confronted the reality in the 1980s, accidentally, traveling into the occupation as a journalist and seeing that the real drama of his society was taking place there, in a criminal project just half an hour away from Israelis’ homes. “And we Israelis don’t want to know, and most of all do not care.”

Levy also touched on Jewish identity and Israeli exceptionalism.

I must be frank with you, I don’t know what are Jewish values. I know what are universal values. There are very clear universal values. And very very clear international law. International law is very important– except for Israel. Israel is a special case.

Because of the United States’ support, he said. And things there are only getting worse. His society is moving in a militaristic, religious direction. When Israel bombed Gaza last summer, the beaches in Tel Aviv were crowded as helicopters passed over on their way to rain destruction. And the newspapers and television did not show anything of what Palestinians were experiencing.  When Levy called out the pilots in a Haaretz column for carrying out the murderous missions, he needed bodyguards. Till he found that they were settlers, who argued with them, and he dropped the detail because he felt safer without it.

Levy finished up by denouncing the two state solution.

I truly believe the two state solution is dead. I think that this train left the station, I deeply regret it but I believe that it left the station. I think all those who talk about the two state solution do so deliberately only to gain more time in order to base the occupation even deeper and deeper.

Needless to say, Levy’s riveting speech has not been picked up by mainstream media. I will be covering other great speeches at the conference in days to come. But note that Huwaida Arraf and Miko Peled also spoke on Levy’s panel.

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  1. just
    April 12, 2015, 1:40 pm

    Phil~ many thanks for headlining the most impassioned and honest testimony by an Israeli~ maybe anybody~ that I have ever heard wrt P/I and America.

    I was transfixed by his speech and by his Q&A. It’s no secret that I am a huge Gideon Levy fan, and this treasure of a presentation should rock the soul of every single American, Palestinian, Israeli, and citizen of the world.

    • Citizen
      April 12, 2015, 4:04 pm

      @ just
      I don’t know personally a single fellow American who even knew about the conference regarding Israel & US a few days ago. Certainly, it did not make the mainstream news at all.

      • just
        April 12, 2015, 8:09 pm

        It is emblematic of the huge problem that still exists in US MSM~ including CSPAN. There was an almost complete and successful blackout of this enormously important conference.

        (I only found out about it on Thursday through good fortune and connections, and was so grateful when you linked to it, Citizen! I was taken aback by the presentations. It was groundbreaking, hence the hysteria from those that wish it never happened or that the truth is revealed!)

      • Kathleen
        April 12, 2015, 10:27 pm

        People could/ should be hammering the MSM outlets on their fb pages, other contact means etc. Asking them why no mention of the conference? Why not have Levy , Pillar etc on their programs. Link Phil’s piece. Politely hammer them. I know this can work. Have had successes getting guest on Talk of the Nation, Diane Rehm, Washington Journal and a few other outlets. Democracy Now of course is open but worth it to make suggestions there. Not that they are the MSM Persistent and polite hammering can work

      • Kathleen
        April 12, 2015, 10:53 pm

        Just went over to Melissa Harris Perry’s fb page and asked her and her team to look into the conference, why Cspan covered last year but not this year. And ask if she would have Gideon Levy on her program to discuss what is going on in Israel and his take of the influence of the I lobby.

        Just watching the tape (we need to link all over the place) Levy reminds me of Robert DeNiro. Gideon DeNiro.

      • just
        April 12, 2015, 11:21 pm

        I ‘see’ a resemblance to De Niro, but I hear Atticus Finch and Jefferson “Jeff” Smith.

        All in all, I see/hear Gideon Levy. Unique in this and his world. A man for all time.

        There are other brave Israeli people of conscience. Amira Hass comes to mind. ;-)

      • Kathleen
        April 13, 2015, 6:27 pm

        Yes only the resemblance to DeNiro. Like the comparison to Atticus Finch..in mannerisms, language. Able to mix the absurd with the facts in a methodical and humorous way. He knows how to work an audience in a constructive way

      • ckg
        April 13, 2015, 9:22 pm

        Indeed. Looks like Robert DeNiro but talks like Atticus Finch.

    • Frankie P
      April 12, 2015, 6:42 pm

      @just, “the most impassioned and honest testimony by an Israeli~ maybe anybody~ that I have ever heard wrt P/I and America.”

      you should watch some video from Israel Shahak from the 1990s. It’s eerie how Levy’s words mirror Shahak’s conclusions from that time period. Of course Shahak delved deeper into the relationship between Jewish religion and the Zionist project, and I realize that this subject is taboo on Phil’s site unless he brings it up. Therefore, I won’t link to the Shahak videos; you can look them up on youtube.

      Frankie P

      • just
        April 12, 2015, 11:26 pm

        Israel Shahak (RIP). An amazing man that I have watched, read and learned from.

        Thanks, Frankie.

  2. John O
    April 12, 2015, 1:58 pm

    “And we Israelis don’t want to know, and most of all do not care.”

    This will end badly.

    There was once a Scottish preacher delivering a hellfire sermon: “And the sinners,burning in Hell, will look up and say, ‘O Lord, we didnae ken.’ And the Lord will look down on them in His infinite mercy and say, ‘Well, ye ken noo!’

    • just
      April 12, 2015, 2:11 pm

      Very appropriate.

      Thanks, John O.

    • weindeb
      April 12, 2015, 3:17 pm

      Very funny and tragic at the same time.

    • Annie Robbins
      April 12, 2015, 5:51 pm

      sorry but i just can’t stop laughing! excuse me if someone has already posted this, i’ve been away from my computer. http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.651487

      Habayit Hayehudi MK says ‘extreme Israeli left’ is like bacteria
      Yinon Magal warns columns by Haaretz’s Gideon Levy are translated daily into English and read in capitals around the world.

      Habayit Hayehudi MK Yinon Magal criticized on Sunday what he termed “the extreme left” and blasted columns of Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy, saying they are “like a bacteria that harms the brain.”

      On his Facebook page, Magal – former editor-in-chief of the Israeli news portal Walla – wrote: “Now that it has finished inciting Europe against Israel, the Israeli extreme left is working to do the same in the U.S. The people who invented a people, who decided [those people] need a state (on Israeli land, of course), encourage boycotts against the Zionist state, hatched false accusations, falsely determined that there is apartheid here, pushed condemnations of Israel, flew around the world to slander us at every conference on the globe (great job) … are now intent on damaging our relationship with the U.S.”

      According to Magal, “one must read Gideon Levy’s latest columns published by Haaretz to understand how far the madness has come. Like a bacteria that targets the brain.” Magal attached a photograph of Levy’s article (Hebrew) from April 9. The article also ran in English.

      “These columns are translated into English every day and are read in capitals around the world,” added Magal. “It’s hard to gauge the damage that this milieu did and does to Israel. Actually, you can see our situation diplomatically and in terms of security. The extreme Israeli left has a lot of responsibility for it.”

      and you’ve got to see the photo of this guy, his expression looks so funny. plus, as i am reading it a sidebar pops up w/levy’s article! haaretz must be loving this!

  3. ckg
    April 12, 2015, 2:15 pm

    Great panel. Miko Peled is introduced at 1:03, Gideon Levy at 19:06, and Huwaida Arraf at 40:28. Decades ago, long before the internet, I had to rely on WRMEA for good information on I/P.

    I see Huwaida is holding her young child. Allison wrote an article about Israel trying to deport her activist husband Adam Shapiro before the birth: http://mondoweiss.net/2013/03/prepares-activist-preventing

    • ckg
      April 12, 2015, 2:49 pm

      (Edit: in the talk, she discusses the event, which involved the birth of her son. She holds the younger daughter.)

    • mariapalestina
      April 13, 2015, 10:55 am

      Adam Shapiro was deported from Israel/Palestine in 2002. Banned for ten years, and then arrested again, deported again & banned again when he & other passengers on the Free Gaza boat SPIRIT OF HUMANITY were arrested by Israeli pirates in international waters while en route to Gaza. Adam & Huwaida decided both their children should be born in Israel to guarantee they would have Israeli citizenship. Adam was not allowed to be present in Israel so he waited in Jordan for several weeks for Daayar to be born. Last year Adam and Diyaar waited in Jordan for Mayaar to be born.

      • ckg
        April 13, 2015, 11:27 am

        Thanks, Maria!

  4. DoubleStandard
    April 12, 2015, 2:17 pm

    Gideon Levy is a vile traitor. If Israel weren’t the vibrant democracy it is he would be rotting in a prison cell decorated with Hamas and ISIS flags.

    • Philip Weiss
      April 12, 2015, 2:27 pm

      I approved this comment so that readers will understand what Gideon Levy faces in Israeli society. He also said he gets letters saying, Thank you for your recent column, Adolph Hitler

      • just
        April 12, 2015, 2:38 pm

        I’ve read what passes moderation @ Haaretz. It’s plenty ugly and hateful.

        It’s starting again on his latest column:

        “The beginning of the American Spring
        At a conference Friday about the Israel lobby in Washington, remarks the likes of which are rarely heard in the United States were made.”

        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.651326

        Those that vilify him (like DS) don’t get it, and this is the best testament to the veracity of what Levy tells us and why we should heed his anguished plea.

      • Steve Grover
        April 12, 2015, 2:45 pm

        Phil, Israelis calling Gideon Levy a traitor is a legitimate response by those who read his column. He is the main reason that Haaretz has poor circulation in Israel. You as this blog’s editor even remotely equating DoubleStandard’s comment to those who would make the comment that refers to Gideon Levy as “Adolf Hitler” is preposterous.

      • a blah chick
        April 12, 2015, 2:49 pm

        With DS’s thoughts in mind listen to Levy’s speech when he talks about having to get bodyguards because of something he wrote. Apparently they were settlers and in the end Levy decided that he was probably better off facing his would be assassins without their “help.”

      • Susan A
        April 12, 2015, 2:56 pm

        Yes Phil: the commenter’s name says it all.

      • ckg
        April 12, 2015, 3:01 pm

        I am sure a lot of Israelis agree with DoubleStandard. After all, that’s why Gideon needs bodyguards. And while Israel may appear vibrant to its own right-wing citizens, its left must be need some viibryd.

      • just
        April 12, 2015, 3:11 pm

        SG- Levy makes it clear why and how he contributed to Haaretz’ drop in readership. It’s because many Israelis HATE the truth. Since you’re defending part of DS’ comment, how about this part:

        ‘he would be rotting in a prison cell decorated with Hamas and ISIS flags.”?

        Lastly, have you listened to his speech?

      • Giles
        April 12, 2015, 3:46 pm

        Double Standard is probably an American and does not see the irony in his calling someone else a traitor.

      • Mooser
        April 12, 2015, 3:55 pm

        That’s what he faces in Israeli society? I thought DS was the domestic brew.

      • Mooser
        April 12, 2015, 4:12 pm

        “He is the main reason that Haaretz has poor circulation in Israel.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/sacrificed-sovereignty-washington#sthash.pbTob30i.dpuf

        Grover, don’t take up dog-walking as a career! Yes, you bet Ha’aretz has a low circulation. The undisputed circulation king in Israel is Adelson’s free right-wing rag if I am not mistaken.

      • Steve Grover
        April 12, 2015, 4:35 pm

        Hey Mooser,
        Sheldon Adelson is a name that isn’t offensive to me. I like the dude. If you are offended by him, then he is doing a great job. Please continue to read Israel Hayom. They sure could use the circulation.

      • justicewillprevail
        April 12, 2015, 4:57 pm

        Grover, calling Levy a ‘traitor’ is not a ‘legitimate’ response, unless you consider that journalists have some kind of duty to print propaganda for a proto fascist state, and by not toeing the line he is somehow a ‘traitor’. All you do is make Levy’s point for him. The ‘traitors’ are those who, as Levy says, undermine and betray America in the service of a small, benighted military state, of no strategic or other value to the US, one which actively seeks to corrupt the US political process for its own benefit.

      • a blah chick
        April 12, 2015, 5:13 pm

        The anti-Palestinian commenters at 972mag are pretty vile too, unfortunately they reflect mainstream Jewish attitudes in Israel.

      • echinococcus
        April 12, 2015, 8:20 pm

        BlahChick, when you say “The anti-Palestinian commenters at 972mag are pretty vile too, unfortunately they reflect mainstream Jewish attitudes in Israel”, you seem to imply that the mainstream Jewish attitudes in the States are any different. It’s probably worse here than in Israel.

      • DaBakr
        April 12, 2015, 9:47 pm

        @pw
        even with your ‘benevolent’ allowing for the above comment by DS why would you feel the need to interfere (the implication that had you not felt the need for ‘readers to understand’ what GL is thought of by many Israelis) with a totally legitimate comment with no profanity and reflecting the writers pov. Is your comment policy and the “war of ideas” dependent on your whim for any given day? Its your site-you own it so its perfectly fine but it would be interesting for Zionist opponents to be clear on the reasons other then inappropriate language for why they would be moderated off. Just curious.

        And yes-GL has been getting ‘hate mail’ from Israelis and Zionists alike for many years. Is this so shocking? Right wingers get left-wing ‘hate-mail’ too. (And Netanyahu is called all manor of incredibly evil names on MW regularly) I would not doubt that GL thrives off this energy as he has implied this more then once. He enjoys his ‘celebrity’ left-wing ‘outsider’ status in EU and -it would seem-among a much smaller group in the US. Its all pretty old news but then GL is not widely known among American newsies-I would also guess.

      • theralphuwe
        April 12, 2015, 11:32 pm

        Phil, can you somehow add a link to Washington Report in the article, please?

        http://www.wrmea.org

        Thanks in advance.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 13, 2015, 1:07 am

        theralphuwe, fixed

      • hophmi
        April 13, 2015, 11:17 am

        Phil, if you know, how many non-Zionist Israelis have been killed or seriously injured because their political views? Yitzhak Rabin was one; he was assassinated by an extremist. Ze’ev Sternhall was physically attacked. But that’s about it.

        In India, multiple heads of state and high ranking officials have been murdered for their political views. In the United States, four Presidents have been assassinated, and virtually all of them have been targeted for assassination.

        Gideon Levy loves to complain as if he were the only radical columnist in Israel. He isn’t. The only difference I know of between him and other radical columnists in Israel is his endless nasty streak; he writes these nasty columns bashing his fellow citizens, and he loves to give speeches abroad doing the same thing; abroad, of course, he’s a celebrated Pablo Christiani. He has a vested interest in claiming that he’s under threat. There is nothing at all significant about some commentator who claims that a guy like Gideon Levy is a traitor. You can find similar discourse about Barack Obama any day of the week in the right-wing blogosphere, and, I bet, about any number of figures throughout the world.

        Somehow, Dimi Rieder and Noam Sheizaf, and many others write leftist criticism of Israeli society, and live there at the same time. Somehow Sefi Rachlefsky writes in Ha’aretz from a post-Zionist and sometimes an anti-ZIonist perspective. Somehow, Dov Kheinin keeps getting elected to the Knesset. So maybe Israeli society is not as sick as Gideon Levy claims that it is.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 13, 2015, 11:48 am

        how many non-Zionist Israelis have been killed or seriously injured because their political views?

        frankly hops, the way you’ve phrased your question is transparently deceptive. considering the government of israel has been engaged in a decades long occupation ruling over the entirety of israel/palestine, in making a fair assessment of how many non zionists governed by israel have been killed, imprisoned or seriously injured because their political views, aren’t you forgetting a few people? or do only jewish people count?

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2015, 11:43 am

        “Sheldon Adelson is a name that isn’t offensive to me. I like the dude.”

        I’m sure you do, Grover, I’m sure you do. Wherever there is organized gambling, you will always find sexual prostitution, and intoxication, and probably loan-sharking and/or fraud.
        No wonder you think so highly of him.

      • TonyRiley
        April 13, 2015, 12:27 pm

        Gideon Levy is a decent man who means well, but he is used by Israel’s enemies. Surely, as an intelligent human being, he must be aware of this?

        I am looking to see if there is a Palestinian equivalent of Levy, or of Mondoweiss, but have a feeling that if they existed, Hamas would kill them.

        Shapiro just does what his wife tells him to.

      • hophmi
        April 13, 2015, 1:18 pm

        “frankly hops, the way you’ve phrased your question is transparently deceptive.”

        I’m sure you think that you have a clever comeback here, but no, it’s not transparent if you actually read Levy’s columns. Levy constantly complains about his treatment within Israeli society, which is repeatedly represented by him (in the public column he’s had forever) and by people here to be closed to perspectives like his. Does Levy (or any other visible columnist who is a dissident, and who promotes himself as a dissident) expect to receive no response? It’s a little childish to write as Levy writes and then to complain that he receives nasty letters as a result, as if this were in any way limited to Israel. I mean, come on. The guy writes for a prominent international newspaper with at least two others who share a lot of his perspective, Rachlevsky and Amira Haas. He’s written for Ha’aretz for well over 30 years and he lives in Tel Aviv. Nu, who’s coming after him? Only people in the West seem to actually buy this guy’s persecution complex, because it doesn’t seem like anyone in Israel really does.

        I’d say that for the newspaper columnist today, three things are certain, regardless of political perspective: death, taxes, and hate mail.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2015, 1:53 pm

        “Phil, if you know, how many non-Zionist Israelis have been killed or seriously injured because their political views? Yitzhak Rabin was one; he was assassinated by an extremist. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/sacrificed-sovereignty-washington#sthash.cyssmcMI.dpuf

        Hophmi, did you just say that Yitzak Rabin is not a Zionist? You don’t consider him a Zionist? Okay.

      • just
        April 13, 2015, 2:38 pm

        hophmi~ Rabin was a Labor Zionist.

        I’m sure that his children will be glad that you are rewriting history and his bio.

        (I wonder if his ghost is shaking his fist at you right now, too!)

      • eljay
        April 13, 2015, 3:10 pm

        || hophmeee: … how many non-Zionist Israelis have been killed or seriously injured because their political views? Yitzhak Rabin was one … But that’s about it. … ||
        || Annie Robbins: … aren’t you forgetting a few people? or do only jewish people count? ||

        What? A Zio-supremacist conflating Israel with all Jews?! Never! :-P

        According to Wiki (I know, not *the* definitive source), a good number of non-Zionist Israelis have been killed because of their political views.

        A couple more good questions are:
        – How many of its citizens has Israel imprisoned because of their political views?
        – How many of its citizens has Israel tortured because of their political views?

        I’m willing to bet that the numbers for Israel are far higher than those of the best countries in the world. But, sure, the “moral beacon” isn’t as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2015, 6:55 pm

        “‘benevolent’ , ‘readers to understand’ , ‘hate mail’ , ‘celebrity’ left-wing ‘outsider’ “

        Watch out Mondoweiss! “Dabakr” has discovered the single quote. He hasn’t the slightest idea why he is using it , but he seems to think his rhetorical arsenal has acquired a powerful new weapon.

        Gee, Dabakr, ‘what’ do ‘those’ ‘single-quotes’ mean, or rather ‘mean’?

      • tree
        April 15, 2015, 1:40 pm

        Point number one:

        Phil, if you know, how many non-Zionist Israelis have been killed or seriously injured because their political views? Yitzhak Rabin was one; he was assassinated by an extremist. Ze’ev Sternhall was physically attacked.But that’s about it.

        Wow, hophmi’s totally clueless! First off, as pointed out by others, Rabin was NOT a “non-ZIonist”. He was a Zionist. For that matter, so is Sternhell.

        And of course that’s NOT “about it.” It highlights hophmi’s bigotry that he thinks it is. When Hophmi says non-ZIonist Israeli he shows that the phrase only means Jewish Israelis to him. Non-Jewish Israelis don’t count, since just between the major Israeli government sanctioned killings in Kafr Kassem, on Land Day in 1976 and the killings of Israeli Palestinians in October 2000, the numbers are around 66 killed, and many more injured. But those are only the major events, without counting the numerous individual non-Jewish Israelis who have been killed throughout Israel’s history. But none of those register any importance to hophmi. Wrong ethnicity to elicit any sympathy from him. He couldn’t care less about them.

        And of course, some anti-Zionist Jews have been injured or assaulted during peaceful protests in solidarity with Palestinians, such as Yonatan Pollack and Yonatan Shapiro, as well as Ezra Nawi.

        And even Zionists have been attacked and killed by other Zionists in Israel because of their political views. Emil Gruenzweig, an organizer of Peace Now, was killed by a grenade lobbed into a protest march against Ariel Sharon in 1983, in the aftermath of Sabra and Shatila. Other protesters were injured in the attack and some of them were even beaten on their way to the hospital after the attack.

        Point number two:

        It’s a little childish to write as Levy writes and then to complain that he receives nasty letters as a result, as if this were in any way limited to Israel… Nu, who’s coming after him? Only people in the West seem to actually buy this guy’s persecution complex, because it doesn’t seem like anyone in Israel really does.

        Speaking of persecution complexes, has everyone noticed the obvious and silly double standard hophmi is evincing here the past couple of days?

        He’s carping on how he’s being “bullied” here and how terribly he’s being treated simply because Mooser has been posting amusing ripostes to his comments. At the very same time Hophmi’s accusing Gideon Levy of being a crybaby and a wuss for mentioning that he’s had death threats against him. Thank the stars that Levy never had to face the horror of Mooser’s bon mots like Hophmi has! Oh, the Horror!

        Levy’s had several death threats, and one incident where the car he was in was showered with bullets, but big deal. Such small potatoes compared to Hophmi having to put up with humorous comebacks to his idiotic comments! Brave, brave Hophmi!

        And remember Hophmi’s response here to Levy’s death threats the next time he tells us we should be more concerned with some Zionist Jew’s hurt feelings when Israel is criticized that we should care about Palestinians’ real suffering.

    • amigo
      April 12, 2015, 2:44 pm

      DS if you will make such comments on this site , what are you willing to say in the company of your fellow zionist thugs.I shudder to think.

      Personally , I think you should be banned for this incitement to violence .There is no place in civilised society for people like you.

      • Giles
        April 12, 2015, 7:12 pm

        “Sheldon Adelson is a name that isn’t offensive to me. I like the dude. If you are offended by him, then he is doing a great job. ”

        A union busting multi-multi billionaire who makes his money swindling people in the “Gaming industry” and who called for bombing Iran (and still whines about being beat up as a kid!)…what’s not to like?

      • DaBakr
        April 12, 2015, 9:58 pm

        @a
        what exactly was ds “incitement to violence” ? I missed it.

      • DoubleStandard
        April 13, 2015, 8:29 am

        I missed it as well and I am the author. Don’t underestimate MW readers’ astonishing power to discern that which is not there.

      • eljay
        April 14, 2015, 9:16 am

        || DoubleStandardeee: Don’t underestimate MW readers’ astonishing power to discern that which is not there. ||

        It pales in comparison to the power of Zio-supremacists to consistently overlook that which is there – namely, their “Jewish State’s” 60+ years – and counting – of (war) crimes.

      • Mooser
        April 15, 2015, 12:12 pm

        “I missed it as well and I am the author.”

        Yes, we know.

    • bintbiba
      April 12, 2015, 3:39 pm

      My blood runs cold at the moral infirmity of the “denial” that Gideon Levy talks about.
      History will acclaim this brave , proud man a Hero long after all of us and Israel are gone.

      • ritzl
        April 12, 2015, 5:05 pm

        +10 bintbiba! +10.

    • DoubleStandard
      April 12, 2015, 6:54 pm

      So grateful Phil. I forget that posts are generally expected to meet a minimal standard of anti-Semitism to be worthy of publishing.

      Anyone who calls him Hitler is obviously an idiot. He’s just a moron who makes a living off of trying to destroy the country that grants him the freedom to do so. That’s the paradox of democracy. It protects those who want to destroy it as well.

      But readers should write to Haaretz and urge boycott of it until he is removed. He has every right to spew his garbage, but he should find a platform other than Israel’s most historical and famous newspaper in which to do so.

      • talknic
        April 12, 2015, 8:01 pm

        @ DoubleStandard ” I forget that posts are generally expected to meet a minimal standard of anti-Semitism to be worthy of publishing”

        Cite/quote one.

        “He’s just a moron who makes a living off of trying to destroy the country that grants him the freedom to do so.”

        Quote his alleged “trying to destroy” Israel and/or explain how Israel abiding by its agreements and the law some how endangers it.

        Meanwhile, making false accusations is against the basic tenets of Judaism. Making false accusations on behalf of the Jewish state is bizarre and only serves to show readers how far you are from common decency and Jewish values.

        Keep up th’ good work!

      • bryan
        April 13, 2015, 3:24 am

        So pleased to hear you calling for boycott as a legitimate strategy to achieve change I guess you probably also favour sanctions (as long as they are directed against Iran). Where do you stand on divestment, though?

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2015, 5:39 pm

        “It protects those who want to destroy it as well.”

        Yup, violent overthrow of the US government is one of the first rights enshrined in the US Constitution.

        Oh, you say the Israeli Constitution doesn’t allow that?

    • talknic
      April 12, 2015, 7:52 pm

      @ DS
      Yes yes of course. Wanting what’s best for Israel is ghastly. Supporting Israel’s illegal activities in non-Israeli territories is good. We understand your need to raise your double standards high

    • Marnie
      April 13, 2015, 12:15 am

      Bravo! You’re remarks exemplify what Gideon writes about all the time. You and your fellow brownshirts are the ugly face of the zionist state. The eternal victim. The brutalizing, sadistic thief of a land you have no title to. Most of you are Godless heathens, laying sole claim to real estate that, before the bastard zionist movement was even an itch in Herzl’s pants, Muslims, Christians and the tiny Jewish population lived TOGETHER in peace in PALESTINE, FOREVER PALESTINE.

    • eljay
      April 13, 2015, 10:53 am

      || DoubleStandardeee: If Israel weren’t the vibrant democracy … ||

      In one breath, Zio-supremacists claim that Israel is a “vibrant democracy” while, in the next breath, they defend it by pointing out that it’s not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

      “Your Honour, my client is a good husband and father, and a law-abiding citizen.”
      “Your client is on trial for spousal abuse, several counts of incest and one count of grand larceny.”
      “Yes, your Honour, but let the record show that he is not a murderer.”

      Funny stuff. :-)

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2015, 1:40 pm

        Not as funny as “Jon s” explaining Jewish sexual difference, but still pretty funny.

      • eljay
        April 13, 2015, 2:17 pm

        || Mooser: Not as funny as “Jon s” explaining Jewish sexual difference, but still pretty funny. ||

        He’s a Zio-supremacist who consistently supports and defends Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State”, but just today in another thread he said “I try to do what’s right and moral, and I believe in equality, not supremacism.”

        I can’t compete with that level of humour.

      • Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 9:06 pm

        “I can’t compete with that level of humour.”

        If you are seated, let me inform you he is a teacher! Isn’t that just jolly to think about? Just think about his purported (by me here) “The Difference in Jewish Sexual Behavior” class. Just what kids need to hear: ‘Hello there Jewish kids, let me tell you, because you are Jewish, your sexual behavior will be, well, different!’
        Think about it: half the kids will think “Whoo-hoo I’m a Jewish love machine, I got it!! The other half will be moaning, “Oh no, what is it I haven’t got!” And the other half will sigh with relief and say “Different, that’s good to hear. It’s going to be much easier coming out as a _________ (your choice) than I thought!”

    • Accentitude
      April 14, 2015, 5:50 am

      How do you rectify calling Israel a “democracy” but also calling an Israeli citizen a “traitor” for practicing free speech, one of the pillars of democracy?

      On an un-related sidenote: I’ve reached a point where I’m getting fed up with all of this crap equating Hamas with ISIS. They’re not politically, socially, or ideologically similar in any way whatsoever. In fact the only similarity you might find is that both groups are Sunnis but hey, hardcore Zionist Nationalists and Liberal American Jews are both Jews so surely they must share the same political beliefs as well, right? Apparently, not so. Get over yourself. Study some history and stop making stupid statements that make no sense.

  5. Steve Grover
    April 12, 2015, 2:20 pm

    Gideon Levy doesn’t seem to like Israeli’s leading a good life. Well, they worked very hard for that good life whilst attempt after attempt has been made to thwart that goal. May their lives get better day by day and year to year.

    • John O
      April 12, 2015, 2:38 pm

      Care to define “good life” for us? (Clue: for some it might be hedonistic pleasure; for others it might be selfless service to their fellow creatures.)

      • lysias
        April 12, 2015, 5:17 pm

        Shortly after I read through The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Learning Yiddish, I read [Modern] Hebrew for Dummies. (I had studied Biblical Hebrew some time ago, but I wanted to get some idea of what Modern Hebrew is like.) The two textbooks could not have been more different in tone. The Yiddish book was full of humor and a tragic view of life. The Modern Hebrew book was chiefly concerned with the delights of modern consumer society, and was utterly humorless.

    • just
      April 12, 2015, 2:45 pm

      “May their lives get better day by day and year to year.”

      While they continue to break international law, continue the Nakba and Occupation, and terrorize the Palestinians?

      Your wish (as quoted above) and their actions are in deep conflict

      Surely you know that.

      • Mooser
        April 12, 2015, 3:57 pm

        I don’t know, how good can it be when there only “tiny islands of pluralism in a sea of what is often religious fanaticism”?

        And that’s what I hear from Zionists, right here.

        In fact, “Jon s” a very well informed and knowledgeable commenter says: “In Israel there’s a rising tide of racism , xenophobia and anti-democratic tendencies, especially (though not exclusively) among the Orthodox Jews.” “Jon s”- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/faithwashing-leadership-institute#sthash.80eh9s5j.dpuf

        Gosh, “Jon s” ought to know.

    • Steve Grover
      April 12, 2015, 3:04 pm

      Good life is determined by every individual. Whatever it is, Gideon Levy doesn’t think Israelis should be having it. Actually, there is no conflict in my wish for Israeli’s individually or collectively or their actions. “Just”, you may be conflicted. I am not.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2015, 5:19 pm

        “you may be conflicted. I am not.”

        Another schlimazel for Zionism!

    • Mooser
      April 12, 2015, 4:00 pm

      “Gideon Levy doesn’t seem to like Israeli’s leading a good life.”

      Maybe they should try living it up inside of Israel.

      • Citizen
        April 12, 2015, 4:11 pm

        @ Mooser
        Hey, the Israeli settlers gets lot of deep discounts and other perks from the Israeli government–it’s great living, cheap & one gets to let loose his or her inner bigotry with no US restrictions, but rather, US pays for it! I bet David Duke is jealous and why shouldn’t he be?

    • a blah chick
      April 12, 2015, 5:08 pm

      How can their lives not get better with all those African refugees and Palestinian untermensch to do their dirty jobs.

    • ritzl
      April 12, 2015, 5:29 pm

      Why do the words “antebellum South” spring to mind?

      And I bet people like Levy keep the trains from running on time. How can anyone have a “good life” when the trains don’t run on time, I screams?

      SG- Pay the Palestinians for 50 fucking years worth of their water that you’ve stolen to live your so-called good life. Then get back to us/the rest of the world.

      • just
        April 12, 2015, 5:44 pm

        “funny” that you should mention stolen water, ritzl!

        Because these two guys, Earl Blumenauer and Gidon Bromberg, fail to mention that at all!

        “To avoid a regional crisis, give Gaza more clean water

        …The good news is that progress on the water issue has already begun. Days before the election, the Israeli government announced that it would double the amount of water it sells to Gaza, from 5 to 10 million cubic meters annually. This is positive momentum that we must build on, because while it is an important step, the quantity is insufficient to prevent a humanitarian disaster for both Gaza and the region.

        Without rapid action, the drinking water beneath Gaza – or the lack thereof – poses a threat to the region as severe as the one posed by tunnels dug by Hamas from Gaza into Israel. That is because the Coastal Aquifer – the only domestic source of drinking water for the 1.8 million Palestinians in Gaza – may collapse as soon as 2016, according to the United Nations.

        Like the cities of Los Angeles or Tel Aviv, Gaza cannot currently meet its water needs from within its boundaries. This is compounded by the fact that Gaza’s population is rapidly increasing and now consumes three times the amount of water that is annually added from rainfall into the Coastal Aquifer. Due to the massive amount of water withdrawn from the aquifer over the past several decades, the salty Mediterranean Sea contaminates the drinking water at an ever-increasing pace.

        A 2012 UN report concluded that 90% of water in the Coastal Aquifer is too salty for drinking purposes. Now this figure is estimated to be 95%, and by the end of 2016, the entire aquifer will be unusable. Unless action is taken by 2020, the destruction will be irreversible.

        To make matters worse, Gaza does not have a large and modern sewage treatment plant in operation. The sewage from almost 2 million residents further pollutes the groundwater and is creating the risk of outbreaks of pandemic diseases such as cholera and typhoid, as 90,000 cubic meters of raw sewage flows into the Mediterranean every day, as noted in the UN report.

        Israeli intelligence reportedly knew and warned about the Hamas tunnels long before they were used but Israeli politicians chose not to act. Environmental and water experts have been warning for many years of the eminent collapse of Gaza’s Coastal Aquifer, but politicians on both sides have failed to respond meaningfully. While we don’t want to minimize Israel’s important move to authorize additional water for Gaza, it doesn’t prevent the region’s looming water crisis.

        All of us have to ask ourselves: What happens if thousands of Gazans rush the Israeli and Egyptian fences, pleading for water to survive? Will a water crisis broaden the appeal of Hamas’ malice in Gaza, precipitating greater violence in the future? The recent events in neighboring Syria offer some clues. Severe droughts played a key role in driving people from farms and villages, sparking the initial uprisings and the resulting downward spiral.

        Such dire outcomes could be avoided if additional measures are employed immediately. With its existing infrastructure, Israel has the potential to double the quantity of water supplied to Gaza overnight, from the 10 million cubic meters currently promised, to 20 million cubic meters a year. A wastewater treatment plant recently built under World Bank management in north Gaza could reduce by one-third the amount of untreated wastewater that pollutes both groundwater and Palestinian and Israeli beaches. All it would take is an additional three megawatts of power from Israel, according to our sources at the World Bank.

        All of us – U.S. Congress, the Obama administration, the newly elected Israeli government, the Palestinian Authority and civic organizations – must play a constructive role starting now, because the clock is ticking. It is clearly in Israel’s interest to facilitate public-private partnerships that will lead to greater energy independence for Gaza and assist the Palestinian Water Authority. Help and collaboration from the international community could enable the construction of a large desalination plant and related infrastructure in Gaza to fully meet the population’s needs. Strengthening the Palestinian Authority by increasing the water supply in Gaza weakens Hamas and highlights its inability to provide public services.

        The situation is quite complex, and it is a challenging time for those seeking to achieve progress and solutions in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Taking action on water and sanitation, however, is a critical step that everyone should support, benefiting Israelis and Palestinians alike.”

        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.651419

        Note that Gaza has “boundaries”, but Israel has no borders…

        Also note that Israel is the ‘good guy’ by announcing that it will ” “double” the amount of stolen Palestinian water that Gazans can buy…

        Then there is the little fact that Gaza is flooding again.

        Dr. Dabour:

        “Our spring has been abducted; all clues point towards winter as the main suspect.”

        https://twitter.com/Belalmd12/status/587153398111191040

        ~and~

        “Flooding hits Gaza Strip following heavy rain

        GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — Heavy rain has flooded low-lying areas across the Gaza Strip, including Khazaa and Beit Hanoun where thousands of Gazans displaced by the Israeli offensive last summer are living in caravans.

        Civil Defense spokesman Muhammad al-Midana told Ma’an that a number of homes in the neighborhood of Kunz Street and Shabia Street in Gaza City had been flooded, and that the Civil Defense had removed swamped cars inside the city and the northern Gaza Strip.

        He also said that Civil Defense crews evacuated a school when water levels rose sharply in the surrounding area, putting the school at risk of flooding. ”

        http://www.maannews.com/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=760441

      • ritzl
        April 12, 2015, 9:59 pm

        Amazing, just. Great catch. The ambivalent, detached, and/or self-congratulatory tone of that article is mind-numbing (well past “boggling”). It reminds me of the article seafoid posted here a few years ago about how Israeli scientists congratulated themselves for discovering a strain of MRSA unique to Gaza, without going into the how and why of its development.

        I’m sure most people here already know this, but:

        A) The Coastal Aquifer doesn’t replenish because Israel uses all the upstream water (surface water that would become groundwater in a natural environment) to irrigate.

        B) All the flooding this winter was because the Israeli retention ponds that keep the water on the surface for sole upstream use by Israeli agribusiness could not handle the amount of rainfall and overflowed. In a natural state (i.e. a broad, slow-moving flood plain) much, if not most, of that water would have seeped into the ground before it hit Wadi Gaza.

        C) Israel takes the upstream, normally aquifer-destined water without sharing, let alone paying for it, and then SELLS it back to Gaza. More Occupation Industry of the direst form.

        D) 5MCM is 5 billion liters. Gaza’s minimum needs at the WHO 100 liters/day/person (all uses) threshold is 66 billion liters per year. A 5MCM annual increase is nothing against that need, given that there is very little potable groundwater in Gaza to begin with.

        E) Israel bombs the sewage treatment capabilities of Gaza and restricts electricity for their operation.

        F) Walid and/or Abierno noted here that Wadi Gaza is an open sewer even in “good” times.

        G) All this [MRSA-laden?] sewage is drawn by the currents in the eastern Med right up the Israeli coast where a gyre pushes it smack onto Tel Aviv beaches. No mention of that in this clinical, Gaza-as-science-experiment discussion.

        http://www.1yachtua.com/Medit-marinas/medcurr.gif
        – or better –
        http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/data/las/2010/201029_emed_uv_aug2008.png

        This “soda-straw” view of the world that Israelis seem to have, scientifically, politically, and morally, is going to bite them in the butt. I don’t know. It seems like separate and unique and/or avoidance is a way of life there and it shows in everything they say and do. They won’t see the systemic (system of systems) products of their own malfeasance until it hits them hard. Water use/misuse is just the early, tangible manifestation of that, imho.

        Poof goes the “good life.”

        How does the world deal with such an ingrained, self-destructive bent?

        End of rant.

      • just
        April 12, 2015, 11:03 pm

        ritzl~ the amount of bs in that article is breathtaking!

        They mention the ‘terra’ tunnels~ not used for terror, but for sustaining life and lives with food, emergency egress, etc. during the siege of Gaza.
        And they write: “Israeli intelligence reportedly knew and warned about the Hamas tunnels long before they were used but Israeli politicians chose not to act.” So Israeli intelligence did not act on ‘terra’ tunnels b/c the pols chose not to protect their people from a threat that was no threat! Always with this blaming the victim meme.

        Then we come to: “To make matters worse, Gaza does not have a large and modern sewage treatment plant in operation.” Why? Could it be the result of bombing the [email protected]@@ out of Gaza over and over and over? Could it be because the Palestinians of Gaza have no reconstruction supplies permitted n and no positive change allowed? Could it be because they are being genocided? I could go on and on, but anyone with critical reading and thinking skills can do this!

        Earl Blumenauer was an ok guy in my book wrt the environment and America… until today, when he rode his bicycle roughshod over the truth, and magically made Israel into the good guys.

        Finally, the always deflective fearmongering tactic:

        “What happens if thousands of Gazans rush the Israeli and Egyptian fences, pleading for water to survive?”

        Ah, yes.

    • Giles
      April 12, 2015, 7:14 pm

      Sitting on the hills overlooking Gaza, watching the mass murder of thousands of unter-menschen, all the while swigging beer and cheering on the action.

      The Israeli good life.

      • TonyRiley
        April 13, 2015, 12:35 pm

        You’re talking about the residents of Sderot, who have endured 10 years of daily missile attacks from Gazan terrorists, of course.

        That’s why they sat and watched the revenge.

      • eljay
        April 13, 2015, 1:04 pm

        || TonyRiley: … the residents of Sderot, who have endured 10 years of daily missile attacks from Gazan terrorists, of course. That’s why they sat and watched the revenge. ||

        Of course. Similarly, the rapist endured months of attacks from his victim terrorist and that’s why his friends sat and watched as he got revenge by repeatedly and brutally assaulting her.

        It never occurred to them* that the rapist shouldn’t be kidnapping women, chaining them in his basement and raping them in the first place.

        (*Or, worse, it occurred to them but they didn’t care.)

      • Giles
        April 13, 2015, 1:26 pm

        “……10 years of daily missile attacks from Gazan terrorists .”

        Surely even the most over the top Israeli apologist knows this claim of DAILY(!) attacks is complete balderdash.

        TonyRiley — take this opportunity to apologize for posting a false narrative and admit you are wrong.

        I understand it is difficult to mount a defense of people who sit on a hill overlooking GAZA, cheering and drinking beer as thousands are slaughtered.

        In fact there is no defense. Return from the dark side and admit as much

      • TonyRiley
        April 13, 2015, 1:35 pm

        Missiles had been landing almost daily in Sderot. I have relatives living there. You should try living with that.

        As to the “thousands being slaughtered”, so far it has been established that in excess of 1,300 of the dead were Hamas, PFLP, Islamic Jihad, etc, terrorists.

        Remember that Hamas and Co. started this war. Blame them. Amnesty called what they did War Crimes.

      • Mooser
        April 13, 2015, 5:42 pm

        “You’re talking about the residents of Sderot, who have endured 10 years of daily missile attacks from Gazan terrorists, of course.”

        Ah, that must be the Israeli “good life” Grover was talking about! Wow, living on land that isn’t yours, getting showered by rockets. That’s the “good life”.

      • echinococcus
        April 13, 2015, 6:19 pm

        Tony Riley, the current residents of Najd, razed after the conquest, massacre and expulsion of its owners, are not in a position to talk of “revenge”, even if despicable propaganda agents are tying to camouflage the fact by renaming it “Sederot”.
        Revenge would be, for us, to do the right thing and give the Palestinian resistance weapons and preparation exactly equivalent to what the Israelis have.

      • oldgeezer
        April 13, 2015, 6:44 pm

        @TonyRiley

        “who have endured 10 years of daily missile ”

        Pure hyperbole. Complete fabrication.

    • talknic
      April 12, 2015, 8:07 pm

      @ Steve Grover “Gideon Levy doesn’t seem to like Israeli’s leading a good life.”

      Quote him in context … or keep showing readers how moronic you can be. It’s a simple choice.

      The more bullshit you write the bigger idiot you make of yourself

      Keep up th’ good work

      • Mooser
        April 14, 2015, 9:16 pm

        Careful, Talknic. Hophmi says he’s been writing to Phil, and they agree, as “gentleman” that our comments are awful. I think Hophmi is headed for a Moderators spot, as soon as he convinces Phil “what a piece of work” Annie is. I don’t know about you, but I’ll get banned for sure.

    • Marnie
      April 13, 2015, 12:24 am

      Israelis idea of hard work involves other peoples of darker skin doing it for them .

      • justicewillprevail
        April 13, 2015, 6:45 pm

        And American taxpayers forking up for it, protecting them and then being insulted. How good is that?

    • Kathleen
      April 13, 2015, 5:06 pm

      Sounds like Levy very much wants Israeli’s to lead a “good life” Clearly that is precisely why he has said Israel should be abiding by the internationally recognized borders and international law. You can spin the hell out of what he has clearly said. However not getting you or Israel anywhere.

    • Kris
      April 13, 2015, 6:25 pm

      Awesome comment, Steve Grover. Reminds me of the good old days in the U.S. south, when the black slaves labored and suffered while the white massas sipped mint juleps and aped the ways of British nobility.

      How wonderful to achieve the “good life” at the expense of the degredation and suffering of lesser beings! Israel, the “Jewish state,” a light unto the nations, the embodiment of racist cruelty and ethnic privilege!

      And to think that Jews have achieved such a good life as the result of such hard work, carrying out all that ethnic cleansing, etc.! Until recently I actually thought that Judaism called for universal justice, goodness, mercy, stuff like that, but you are in a better position to know about that than I am.

      • justicewillprevail
        April 13, 2015, 7:16 pm

        Like the other shills in this thread, Grover failed to bother reading or understanding Gideon Levy’s point – which is hardly surprising in their rush to shoot the messenger and ignore the message. Levy’s point was about the insulating fantasy of the ‘good life’, the delusional bubble built on the rubble from other people’s homes and land, fortified by the garrison mentality, not to mention the apartheid philosophy. But Grover and co don’t want to know about that, or have their delusion shattered by someone who has eyes to see, and a depth of perception way beyond them.

    • Accentitude
      April 14, 2015, 6:16 am

      OK, fine. We admit it. We Palestinians are not interested in self-determination and an end to the occupation. What we’ve really wanted all of the years is to thwart that good life you have going for yourself on the other side of that wall…I mean fence (that IS what you call it right? I giant concrete fence??). We look over from the hole in the ground that is Jalazun refugee camp, across the street over to the mysterious magical wonders that might lie behind that wall/fence thingy in Beit El settlement with it’s bright orange rooftops and pristine streets and we wonder why we can’t live a “good life” like those settlers over there. Then we see the bulldozers confiscating more land and the the “most moral army in the world” shooting innocent children again

      http://www.maannews.com/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?id=655368

      and again
      http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/127910/palestinian-dies-after-israelis-deny-access-to-ambulance

      and again
      https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12154-palestinian-youth-killed-during-iof-night-raid-on-jalazone-refugee-camp

      and again
      http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/west-bank-teen-dies-after-being-shot-israeli-forces-2008801141

      So yes, its because we’re working hard to thwart that “good life” you got there. You are a true hero in the face of such brutal excruciating adversity. My God, man. Many have succumbed to such pressures. But you? Well, you’re a man of perseverance. Keep on persevering. You go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to, so that you can sleep at night. Gideon Levy and I will continue to plot evil maniacal plots to destroy your “good life.” It’s what we lefties do best, right?

  6. shalom
    April 12, 2015, 2:54 pm

    I listened to his speech in Washington on line. He tells a lot of truth as only he can about the occupation. But that doesn’t mean the either he or you Phil have a viable solution. The international BDS campaign will spawn an increasingly hostile resistance movement by Israelis and American Jews alike. For many it puts Jews back in the box as the one outcast party in a sea full of bad actors. I don’t believe that Israel will be or even can be broken by a negative campaign. It will fight tooth and nail and push back peace for decades if not generations. Instead I suggest an internationally sponsored ongoing National Dialogue that brings Palestinians and Israelis together until enough understand each other and each others humanity to act together to change the political reality and bring about Two State and Peace.

    • Annie Robbins
      April 12, 2015, 6:03 pm

      It will fight tooth and nail and push back peace for decades if not generations.

      they already do that. so what’s new? more out in the open that’s all.

    • Laurent Weppe
      April 12, 2015, 6:46 pm

      I don’t believe that Israel will be or even can be broken by a negative campaign.

      Indeed: Israel won’t be broken by outside forces: it will be broken from the inside by its ruling class’ corruption, hubris and ineptness, a process already ongoing, which is why Israeli intellectuals are fleeing the sinking ship.

      • MoCHo
        April 13, 2015, 7:37 pm

        I think Israel’s resolve will be broken when the U.S. grows a backbone and stops sending them billions of dollars every year, stops vetoing every attempt to condemn their atrocities. We are so totally complicit and we need to somehow get that across to the few reasonable Members of Congress that might be left . . . a huge challenge, unfortunately. (BTW, I had great hopes that Earl Blumenauer might finally be a man of courage we could hope to help lead on this issue; apparently he is still pretty blind to the whole truth.)

      • Laurent Weppe
        April 15, 2015, 5:02 am

        I think Israel’s resolve will be broken when the U.S. grows a backbone and stops sending them billions of dollars every year, stops vetoing every attempt to condemn their atrocities

        Perhaps, but quite frankly, I suspect that the Israeli ruling class will pass the threshold of morbid sybaritic incompetence before the US stops subsidizing it.

    • amigo
      April 12, 2015, 6:54 pm

      ” Instead I suggest an internationally sponsored ongoing National Dialogue that brings Palestinians and Israelis together until enough understand each other and each others humanity to act together to change the political reality and bring about Two State and Peace. ” Shalom

      As evidenced by the far right racist anti peace , anti Palestinian state,Arab hating Israeli leaders, Israeli voters just put in power.

      Pull the other leg Shalom and change your moniker.

    • Frankie P
      April 12, 2015, 7:04 pm

      @shalom,

      “The international BDS campaign will spawn an increasingly hostile resistance movement by Israelis and American Jews alike.”

      The international BDS campaign will raise awareness among all Americans about I/P, which will spawn more fair and even-handed treatment in issues related to I/P and the Middle East. The continued resistance by American Jews to fair and even-handed treatment in issues related to I/P and the Middle East (Iran’s nuclear energy comes to mind) will eventually cause a strong and profound reaction among gentile Ameicans. This reaction could be dangerous to many Jews who do NOT support Israel. I believe that Phil sees this as a real danger, and he wants to save the American Jews from themselves.

      Frankie P

      • Annie Robbins
        April 12, 2015, 7:43 pm

        The international BDS campaign will spawn an increasingly hostile resistance movement by Israelis and American Jews alike

        iow, the occupation supporters will be resistance to the resistance? just thought i’d mention, although you might like the word and want to identify with it generally the oppressor is not considered the resistance. just saying.

        but of course there is push back, that’s to be expected. and they are already hostile. they even kill people all the time. lots of settlers are american – armed and dangerous. but they are not the resistance and will never be. they are colonizers and their supporters and support (financially and otherwise) for the oppression of millions of people.

    • ritzl
      April 12, 2015, 8:30 pm

      Shalom: “Instead I suggest an internationally sponsored ongoing National Dialogue that brings Palestinians and Israelis together until enough understand each other and each others humanity to act together to change the political reality and bring about Two State and Peace.”

      Yeah shalom. You have the beginnings of exactly that with the Joint List. NOW. You don’t have to “suggest” anything. It’s right there in front of you. It exists. But precious few Jewish-Israelis will have anything to do with it or the opportunity for dialog it represents.

      What are you DOING, now, to support the Joint List and the “dialog” you say you crave?

  7. Boomer
    April 12, 2015, 3:03 pm

    Thanks for the report on Gideon Levy’s courageous comments. What a clear, cogent cry from the heart. Bless him for that. It is a shame (but no surprise) that we learn of his words here rather than on NBC, CBS, and ABC. If Levy’s comments, plus Nutanyahoo’s words and actions, aren’t enough reason–and enough political cover–for Mr. Obama finally to screw up his courage and take positive action, I can’t imagine what would be enough.

    • Citizen
      April 12, 2015, 4:12 pm

      @ Boomer
      Yeah, I wonder just how much of a boot in the heinie Obama needs to let the zionist cat out of the bag?

    • Kathleen
      April 12, 2015, 9:49 pm

      Levy has been speaking out like this for quite some time. A man with real integrity and a deep sense of justice. You are so right asking about why CBS etc have never had Levy on. Bet Melissa Harris Perry would have had had him on this weekend if she knew he was in D.C. How long is Levy in the U.S. He would be such a great guest on her program. Talk about the conference and what was said. Will put the idea up over at her FB MSNBC page. Please join me in making the request.

      • JWalters
        April 13, 2015, 8:14 pm

        Second that suggestion. Next step is to move this discussion from the web to TV. It’s happened before (e.g. Trent Lott).

  8. ivri
    April 12, 2015, 3:08 pm

    Truly, the only “interesting” thing about Levy is that it is an Israeli citizen that says all that but the content of all what he writes is standard anti-Israel propaganda of some circles outside Israel. So he is actually making a living as a journalist on being “brave” enough to repeat that – a “valiancy” that is carefully nurtured by constantly mentioning threats against him and hate letters. Truly though, the fact that he can do that, and regularly so for very long time now (in a mainstream Israeli newspaper), is just about the best counterproof to his life mission – a completely darkened portrayal of the state of Israel.
    Indeed, his present venture: travelling to the US to lecture it about not being “independent” from Israel, must be seen there as some kind of a farce – an Israeli journalist embarking on a mission to the US “to open its eyes” and “clarify” things to it.

    • DaBakr
      April 12, 2015, 10:06 pm

      @iv
      definitely elements of farce. GL has a healthy ego and believes he is important enough to scare average middle-of-the-road American Jews into supposedly openening their already wide open eyes. He is firmly an implant of the left-wing fringe. Not surprising in Israel and their is enough evidence that even the Israelis that “hate” him would rather have him and the screaming left as a counter-balance in a dynamic multi-opinionated society. That others choose to view Israel as “sick” is the other element of farce.

      • ivri
        April 13, 2015, 4:59 am

        @DeBakr
        Right, keeping a person like Levy (and others too) in a mainstream Israeli newspaper when what they actually do is, in the eyes of the majority of Israelis, fostering anti-Israeli propaganda, could indeed have pretty rational reasons behind it. One is what you point out, namely a vibrant democracy benefits from the free floating of (even far-flung) views and, indeed, it is only a self-confidant democratic society that can afford this luxury – one that is not afraid that such propaganda will have real demoralizing effects on it. There is then the added benefit, from the very acceptability of allowing such views to be aired in public, of further assuring the society in feeling that it can withstand such apparent self-harming talk – so a kind of immunization effect – as well strengthening its image abroad as free and democratic. That in turn helps with the appreciation (and support) from the US (or Canada and likewise) so the overall trade-off might in the end come out positive.

  9. just
    April 12, 2015, 3:46 pm

    Oh, lookie here. Inciting, lying. and marching in lockstep:

    “Habayit Hayehudi MK Yinon Magal criticized on Sunday what he termed “the extreme left” and blasted columns of Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy, saying they are “like a bacteria that harms the brain.”

    … Magal – former editor-in-chief of the Israeli news portal Walla – wrote: “Now that it has finished inciting Europe against Israel, the Israeli extreme left is working to do the same in the U.S. The people who invented a people, who decided [those people] need a state (on Israeli land, of course), encourage boycotts against the Zionist state, hatched false accusations, falsely determined that there is apartheid here, pushed condemnations of Israel, flew around the world to slander us at every conference on the globe (great job) … are now intent on damaging our relationship with the U.S.”

    According to Magal, “one must read Gideon Levy’s latest columns published by Haaretz to understand how far the madness has come. Like a bacteria that targets the brain.” Magal attached a photograph of Levy’s article (Hebrew) from April 9. The article also ran in English.

    “These columns are translated into English every day and are read in capitals around the world,” added Magal. “It’s hard to gauge the damage that this milieu did and does to Israel. Actually, you can see our situation diplomatically and in terms of security. The extreme Israeli left has a lot of responsibility for it.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.651487?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Big fail, Magal. An epic failure of hasbara.

    (stay safe Gideon Levy!)

  10. traintosiberia
    April 12, 2015, 4:15 pm

    and should ban Moshe Yaalon from setting foot on any government building.

    Moshe Yaalon poses for a photo with notorious racist blogger Pamela Geller

    link to electronicintifada.net

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/amena-saleem/bbc-hands-airwaves-over-israels-minister-war

  11. Citizen
    April 12, 2015, 4:26 pm

    What kind of Americans, especially those in the GOP who glorify small government and recommend all of us “pick ourselves from our own bootstraps,” keep pushing for ever more enmeshment with Israel, ever more US taxpayer funding of Israel? I don’t understand them at all.
    And what kind of Americans, especially those in the Democratic Party of diversity & minority rights, also love this enmeshment with apartheid Israel, love more funding of Israel’s long time brutal oppression of the daily life of Palestinains? I also don’t understand them at all.

    Why is somebody like Sheldon Adelson or Chuck Shumer not being attacked as an agent of a foreign government, one that has values and policies distinctly unAmerican? I mean, hey, Israel doesn’t even have oil, and it has no strategic value in comparison to say, Iran or Egypt.

    • ivri
      April 13, 2015, 3:37 am

      @citizen
      Since I don`t assume that in the super-sophisticated political environment of the US most people, especially the “political class”, are not aware of what you claim, you must be asking yourself how indeed this is happening (and for decades now)? The pint is that there must be something deep that drives it all, conceptual and emotional, which you are psychologically incapable to grasp due to an incompatible ingrained mindset. So the problem lies with you (and others in that psychological condition) not with your fellow Americans.

  12. justicewillprevail
    April 12, 2015, 4:30 pm

    Straight to the heart of the matter. No wonder zionists hate him so. This speech should be pinned to the wall of every US senator and read aloud to them, in the possibly forlorn hope that they will stop being so terrified of the power of the lobby – and start thinking about US interests for once.

  13. Sulphurdunn
    April 12, 2015, 5:53 pm

    When truth is treason, it is still the truth.

  14. rensanceman
    April 12, 2015, 7:07 pm

    I attended the conference and concur that Levy’s description of our Government being compromised by a petite foreign power is accurate and from the viewpoint of Israeli based social commentator who is sympathetic to the Palestinian cause -is even more disturbing especially when we witness a sea of sycophants yelling and screaming for Netanyahu. His comment that Israeli society will never change its ways as long as the enabler–the U.S., finally recognizes the divergence of our interests and the harm to our nation’s prestige caused by the excesses of Israel’s policies. The student activists who spoke gave me hope that they have the power to change minds and attitudes through their activism. This is their Civil Rights/Vietnam cause celebre

    • Kathleen
      April 12, 2015, 9:30 pm

      U.S. “the enabler” on target.

      “This is their Civil Rights/Vietnam cause celebre” so many folks work on college campuses taking off. There is no way to shut the door on accurate information getting to those uninformed. I think Prof Mearsheimer has explained the dynamics having to do with the direction of the conflict almost better than anyone else.

    • just
      April 12, 2015, 11:10 pm

      You’re a lucky man, rensanceman!

      The short breaks appeared to be chock- full of lively and earnest conversation..I very much wish that I could have been there. I am grateful that I was able to watch it, and that I have it saved so that I can share it with others.

  15. Kathleen
    April 12, 2015, 8:02 pm

    So sorry to miss conference. Would have loved to hear Levy first hand and the other incredible speakers. Paul Findlay, Paul Pillar, Gareth Porter etc.

    Read on another thread Cspan did not cover. I believe they covered the conference that was put on by Allison Weir, Grant Smith etc last year. What is up with Cspan? This past Monday they had a segment on Iran the phone screener was only allowing people who called in against the P5+1 deal. There were 14 callers during the segment 13 men 1 woman (she lost her connection) 12 of the men hammered the deal in a very negative way. One had questions about the P5+1. This is distinctly different from what has been getting through on Washington Journal about negotiations with Iran and Israel’s influence. Generally there are many more callers in support of negotiations. Folks with lots of facts and figures.

    Something is up at Washington Journal. Could be the pressure that they might be feeling from groups like Camera. Too bad they did not have the integrity to cover this one day conference. Not good

  16. Kathleen
    April 12, 2015, 9:23 pm

    Levy “The only hope is an international intervention”

    Phil I know you talk with Levy. Wondering if you would ask him what he thinks about things getting much worse for Palestinians as awareness is growing. What is his take about this?

    • ritzl
      April 12, 2015, 10:03 pm

      Good question, Kathleen.

    • can of worms
      April 12, 2015, 11:00 pm

      “The only hope is for an international intervention, and the only hope is from this place, from Washington, from the United States, from the EU. Only from there. ”

      Since WHEN is the “only hope” supposed to be from the Euro-supremacists? Since when is the “only hope” for the colonized to be from the neo-colonizers?!

      No, the real hope is a kind of ‘Black Power’.

      GL denies: (1) the longstanding global structures that create kinship between Palestinians and other global oppressed; (2) the abilities of the colonized, when organized and conscious; (3) the legitimacy of armed struggle against colonization.

    • Kathleen
      April 13, 2015, 6:31 pm

      It almost seems that Israel puts the screws to the Palestinians systematically as the awareness grows. As if saying “you keep pushing the facts we tighten the vice grips” Torturous.

  17. Kathleen
    April 12, 2015, 9:32 pm

    Was surprised that Allison Weir was not there to speak. Noura Erakat?

  18. Kathleen
    April 12, 2015, 9:40 pm

    So last year CSpan taped and aired a similar conference on March 7 2014. WRMEA, If Americans Knew, Council for the National Interest Foundation all sponsored. What was the difference this year? Phil and Mondoweiss team will you folks be doing a post about this? What is up with Cspan? Who is getting to them?

  19. jayn0t
    April 12, 2015, 11:12 pm

    “Israel doesn’t even have oil, and it has no strategic value in comparison to say, Iran or Egypt”. Obviously, the USA doesn’t grovel to Israel out of rational self-interest, the way she supports Saudi Arabia. It’s something to do with the ability of the Jewish community to manipulate weaknesses in Western populations. Not all Jews, obviously, but no other ethno/religious group comes close to the major organizations of the Jewish community in persuading the world’s leading power to act against its interests.

  20. unverified__5ilf90kd
    April 12, 2015, 11:28 pm

    This is why Israel is trying to screw up the Iran deal. Iran is the last Mideast nation giving strong support for the creation of a Palestinian state. The Arab states opposing Israel have been destroyed: Syria, Libya and Iraq crushed by war and torn asunder, Egypt and Jordan bought off with huge bribes. The Saudis have secretly allied themselves to Israel. So only Iran was left to push the Palestine issue.

    That is why Bibi made such a determined effort to push the US into war with Iran. With the weak Arab states largely demolished or silenced, Israel’s hold on the Occupied West Bank and Golan would be unchallenged.

  21. michelle
    April 13, 2015, 1:09 am

    .
    Israel is the crying child in the store
    America is the childs mum
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  22. David Doppler
    April 13, 2015, 10:13 am

    Jason Ditz at Antiwar.com has a report up that Netanyahu is telling his cabinet that his greatest fear is that Iran will comply with the agreement. http://news.antiwar.com/2015/04/12/netanyahus-great-fear-iran-will-comply-with-nuclear-deal/

    It links to an article in The Times of Israel to that very effect: http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-to-fear-iran-will-stick-to-deal-if-one-is-signed/

    Highlights from TOI:

    “The [two unnamed] officials, who were present in a cabinet meeting on April 3, said the prime minister was convinced the Islamic Republic would ‘keep to every letter in the agreement if indeed one is signed at the end of June,’ the newspaper reported early Sunday
    “‘Netanyahu said at the meeting that it would be impossible to catch the Iranians cheating simply because they will not break the agreement,’ one official said.

    “According to the report, the prime minister stressed that Iran’s compliance with the deal would mean that in 10-15 years, when some of the terms expire, it will be difficult to convince the international community to impose new sanctions against Tehran in the event it moves to build nuclear weapons, or persuade the world powers to continue monitoring its nuclear program.

    “At this point, Iran’s nuclear program will have received a ‘kosher stamp’ from the world and the sanctions will be lifted, the prime minister noted.

    “During the April 3 cabinet session, it was decided to focus much of Israel’s efforts in convincing members of Congress to back a bill sponsored by Sen. Bob Corker (Rep.) and Bob Menendez (NJ) which would give Capitol Hill the authority to reject a White House-brokered accord with Tehran. The Corker-Menendez bill would oblige Obama to give lawmakers 60 days to examine, and possibly block, a nuclear deal.”

    Let’s see some US publicity about Netanyahu’s and the Neocon’s true fear, the loss of this opportunity to start a war with Iran. Why do we allow Netanyahu and the Neocons to lecture everyone about our naivete and lack of negotiating ability, and lack of manhood to stand up to threats, when they’ve been shown over and over to be lying in order to create chaotic blowback, to justify escalating Israeli “security measures,” read, more settlements, more abuse of Palestinians.

    Until Netanyahu forms his government, he’s vulnerable to losing his majority to Herzog. With this racist, right-wing, fear-mongering pathological liar running AIPAC in our Congress to submarine diplomacy with Iran so that American soldiers can be placed into hopeless war across two thousand miles of Islamic Asia, from Iraq through Iran through Afghanistan, what is the excuse for making nice, and being respectful?

    Throw the bum out.

    • John O
      April 13, 2015, 10:48 am

      I’m puzzled. Is this the same cabinet as before the 17 March election? If so, why are they still holding meetings? If not, who are they?

      • Annie Robbins
        April 13, 2015, 11:30 am

        john, elections in israel are not like here. remember last time when livni won the most votes in the election but didn’t end up becoming prime minister? netanyahu needs (i think) 61 seats. so after winning the election the candidate with the most votes forms a coalition with other political parties. usually he has 30 days to do that and that’s what’s going on now. depending on how many seats the other parties have determines the value they have in that coalition and they bargain for ministries and other things. there’s a link i read about it yesterday, “Netanyahu’s coalition dilemma: Bennett or Herzog” whether he will choose bennett or herzog.

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.651352

        Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is signaling that he has not decided on the composition of his fourth government. He has two options: a right-wing and ultra-Orthodox government that includes Habayit Hayehudi; or a centrist and ultra-Orthodox government that includes Zionist Union. In other words, a government with either Naftali Bennett or Isaac Herzog.

        allison wrote a great article recently about the way it works. i recommend: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahu-loses-still

      • John O
        April 13, 2015, 12:00 pm

        @Annie Robbins

        Thanks, Annie. I assume negotiations are going on to form a new coalition government (we in the UK will very likely be treated to a similar process next month), but I’m still wondering if the existing executive just carries on as if nothing has changed. If that is what happens, it seems to me a real weakness in the system. An unscrupulous prime minister could spin out negotiations for a new governing coalition for ages, yet still carry on in office.

  23. pabelmont
    April 13, 2015, 10:28 am

    The “manufacture of consent” is a Chomskian contribution to the theory of soft-totalitarianism as practiced in the USA by our government at the behest of its ruling oligarchy. So too is the manufacture of silence, the establishment or rules to forbid tghe discussion of various topics. Levy tells us stuff that MJR says could not be printed in a USA MSM. It would be unspeakable here but is easily published in Israel (and in English!).

    MJR (video at about 6:57) beautifully describes America’s system of governance (not by “democracy” but by “Establishment” or “oligarchy”). I’ve written about this a few times and thought I was ahead of the pack, or a discoverer of amazing truths, but MJR perfectly agrees with me. AIPAC is just like Big-Banks, Big-Defense, Big-Pharma, Big-Oil, Big-Koch-Bros, etc., not different (except in subject matter). The mechanism is the same: money used to promote friends and get rid of enemies. Other articles make all the same points.

    It is not the truth about American governance that is changing but the “political correctness” or other mechanisms of which manage the unacceptability of social discourse that has recently opened up to allow a true description to be spoken publicly. Now everyone can talk that way, although the MSM are sufficiently still run by-and-for the oligarchy that they cannot be expected to say such things. But the mechanism for suppressing truth on “oligarchy” is the same mechanism for suppressing truth on Israel. The phenomenon of PEP (progressive except for Palestine) is merely a manifestation of social pressure determining what can be said (or thought) and what must be suppressed. My guess is that people who are PEP are also silent on “oligarchy” and the suppression in the USA of democracy.

    It is a notable feature of NPR’s “On The Media” radio program that it cannot be expected to take on the MSM’s suppression of discussion or Israel, oligarchy, and presumably also of many other topics. A more-or-less complete list of forbidden topics would be wonderful to read! Maybe it would include what Raul Castro recently told non-USA Americans about USA’s nefarious role in the hemisphere over the years.

    • pabelmont
      April 13, 2015, 11:37 am

      The video changed on this website and MJR is gone. I guess the one I saw is ar WRMEA somewhere. I didn’t look.

  24. inbound39
    April 14, 2015, 3:48 am

    I have been reading Gideon Levy since I started challenging Israeli’s on Haaretz during Cast Lead. I read all the UNISAP information and worked through every historical account I could find. What irks settlers and Zionists about Gideon is he refuses to spout Hasbara and he speaks honestly and many predictions he has made over the years have been on the mark. Gideon has more courage and bravery than any Right wing settler. Settlers can only take on unarmed Palestinians whilst they hide behind IDF skirts. At some point, and history shows,the settlers will be confronted by an International Peace force that will be fully armed and tooled up to keep the peace and enforce the new borders. Israel does have borders. It agreed to and accepted borders as defined by the Partition Plan and also agreed to abide by its conditions. Israel to this day is Internationally recognised on those borders.

  25. Colonel Blimp
    April 14, 2015, 10:05 am

    Israel will wake up one day without a friend in the world. One day, when asked, an ambitious American politician will deny and denounce Israel and he, or she, will not turn into a pillar of salt. One day, the “mainstream media” will cease their hand-wringing about the Middle East and begin pointing fingers at Israel in a feeding frenzy. AIPAC and the rest of the Israel-firsters will be perceived as supporting a country that is using us as cannon fodder and a cash cow.

  26. CitizenC
    April 14, 2015, 7:49 pm

    Levy said that Israel has “compromised US sovereignty.” As I wrote in concluding my article on last year’s conference

    The American system of government expresses the democratic sovereignty of the American people, however corrupted and attenuated that principle is. Israel’s influence is fundamentally a usurpation of our sovereignty as US citizens. Veterans of the national security establishment, and democrats left, right and center can agree on that. They may or may not be allies in the class struggle, but they are allies in the medieval-modern struggle which Zionism has joined. As Stephen Walt noted, we need a “broad tent.”

    http://questionofpalestine.net/2014/03/16/ending-the-passionate-attachment-3/

    I listened to the live stream, but did not attend this year. I think some aspects were not as good this year, though others were or even better. Levy was a powerful voice. Levy said in opposition to Alice Rothchild, self-proclaimed “secular Jew”, that there aren’t “Jewish values”, only universal values. The PJs need to be retired in favor of the Levys, the Peleds, and the Shlomo Sands, since the US cannot produce any universalists of Jewish background of their stature—or even gentiles capable of dismissing the PJ sentimentality that befogs the left.

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