Hillary Clinton promises megadonor she will work with Republicans– to oppose BDS

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Hillary Clinton wrote a letter to Haim Saban, the biggest giver on the Democratic side, saying that she will be speaking out publicly against BDS, the boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign aimed at Israel, and will work “across party lines” to oppose it.

In a two page letter with a handwritten postscript, released by Saban to the press, Clinton expresses “alarm” at the movement, links anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism and the murderous attacks on French Jews, and tells Saban that she first “fell in love” with Israel more than 30 years ago when she and Bill Clinton walked the streets of Jerusalem’s Old City. (Sorry, but that’s occupied Palestine.) And Israel is a miracle; but it’s definitely not South Africa:

I am also very concerned by attempts to compare Israel with South African apartheid. Israel is a vibrant democracy in a region dominated by autocracy, and it faces existential threats to its survival. Particularly at a time when anti-Semitism is on the rise across the world — especially in Europe — we need to repudiate forceful efforts to malign and undermine Israel and the Jewish people.

She seeks Saban’s thoughts and recommendations about how to engage communities across the country to counter BDS. From Congress to state legislatures, to classrooms and boardrooms, Clinton says, we need to engage all people of good faith to show why BDS is harmful to Palestinians and Israelis. (But every Palestinian I’ve met is in favor of BDS!)

BDS must be doing something right to be getting this kind of attention. This is all about money; Hillary Clinton needs to raise more than $2 billion, much of it from pro-Israel Jews. Saban just staged a conference in Las Vegas with Sheldon Adelson, the big Republican giver, to come up with ideas to counter BDS. The big idea was millions of dollars.

A few weeks back President Obama also said that anti-Zionism was anti-Semitism. He is presumably supporting Democratic candidates for office.

Clinton says that the Palestinians cannot unilaterally declare a state, and no one can impose a solution on Israel. She brags on her record as a U.S. senator and secretary of state, saying she opposed “dozens of anti-Israel resolutions at the UN.” She writes that she supported Israel after the “biased” Goldstone Report.

“Time after time I have made it clear that America will always stand up for Israel — and that’s what I’ll always do as President.”

Clinton does not care that the Democratic base is deserting her on this issue. She thinks she can push this position through. Coverage of the letter is at Politico and Haaretz.

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98 Responses

  1. Giles
    July 6, 2015, 5:00 pm

    Hillary is apparently unaware that the president of the United States is supposed to serve the interests of the American people, not the interest of rich donors loyal to a racist foreign state

    • Krauss
      July 7, 2015, 8:07 am

      No, but she is aware how you win domestic elections in America.

      I wonder if South Africa had such massive elite support as Israel has today in the American media/donor class, would Apartheid still be around? It’s an interesting, if disturbing, thought to think. Would Mandela have remained a fringe figure for most people other than the politically active progressive class? Most people didn’t know about him until the very last few years when all Western governments had even dropped the pretense of support.

      At any rate, this letter proves that which all of us knew already: Clinton will be 100% slavishly loyal to the AIPAC crowd. Much worse than Obama, whose racist abandonment of the Palestinians will be one of his biggest black marks on his presidency 10-15 years down the line. He’ll be defensive about that until the end of his days, and he’ll be hounded for good reason.

      Bernie Sanders won’t be a huge improvement, but he’ll certainly be better than Clinton. He just seems like he wants to wash his hands of the whole Zionism affair and be left alone to talk about the importance of breaking up the big banks instead.

      This is just another reason to marshal everyone to prevent Hillary from becomming president. It’s not just her cozy relationship with Wall Street that is at stake here.
      Sanders is flawed, but at least a lot less flawed than this.

      • Citizen
        July 7, 2015, 5:18 pm

        @ Krauss
        Look like, to my dismay, Webb has joined the slavery battalion for Israel at expense of US treasure and blood–this really hurts, given his career history; he was a hero–but I guess Israel First dollar donations trump all. A different version of Sgt York, eh?

    • Doubtom
      July 7, 2015, 12:28 pm

      Hillary was once foolish enough to question Israel’s interests, years ago, when her husband was president and she was immediately “corrected” and has since realized where the money is located. She’s a fast learner and will do or say whatever it takes to gain the presidency, which she believes is her birthright.

    • JWalters
      July 7, 2015, 7:12 pm

      The current president has no objections to BDS actions aimed at the Occupied Territories. A clear statement of why is here.
      link to mondoweiss.net

      I’d like to see someone ask Clinton – Would you reverse this approach, and try to make BDS actions aimed at the Occupied Territories illegal? And by what reasoning?

      Opposing an Occupied Territories BDS would be especially hard to justify and still sound remotely aware and sane.

  2. lysias
    July 6, 2015, 5:08 pm

    Could this have something to do with it? The Hill: Team Clinton ‘worried’ about Bernie Sanders campaign.

    • echinococcus
      July 6, 2015, 5:47 pm

      “Team Clinton ‘worried’ about Bernie Sanders campaign”… worries

      How so? Is Sen, Sanders less of a Zionist?

      • lysias
        July 6, 2015, 6:31 pm

        If Team Clinton is worried, their solution is probably to raise more money.

      • echinococcus
        July 6, 2015, 6:39 pm

        I’m sure the worry is unjustified, Lysias; when there’s no more Saban money there’s even more Saban money. Senator BS, too, only has to ask provided his ethics will allow him to.

      • Giles
        July 7, 2015, 11:12 am

        I don’t trust Sanders at all.

        One view of the video showing him telling his progressive VT constituents to “shut the Hell up” when they questioned his support for Israel’s slaughter of the Gazans did it for me.

        No true liberal or progressive would hold such views.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 6, 2015, 7:53 pm

      she should be more worried about jim webb.

      • Doubtom
        July 7, 2015, 12:31 pm

        Webb, is also politically astute enough to realize that you need AIPAC in your corner to get anywhere in American politics.

      • Citizen
        July 7, 2015, 5:22 pm

        Yes, Annie, but, much to my dismay, looks like the true American brave Webb now has bowed to Israel First dollars. God, I wanna puke if this is him. Neither a black president nor a real US hero can stop the parade of Israel First money into the POTUS grand auction–thanks, SCOTUS!

      • Annie Robbins
        July 7, 2015, 5:44 pm

        bummer citizen.

      • ckg
        July 7, 2015, 7:06 pm

        Jim Webb, who served as Secretary of the Navy, must surely know the truth about the USS Liberty. But he is keeping his mouth shut.

    • Hostage
      July 7, 2015, 10:16 am

      Could this have something to do with it? The Hill: Team Clinton ‘worried’ about Bernie Sanders campaign.

      No, it’s more likely that Saban is very worried about the warnings from the UN and EU regarding the criminal liability of businesses and individuals that are profiting from the plunder of public and private Palestinian property. His Partner Company appears to be doing precisely that. I’ve commented about that situation here in the past. link to mondoweiss.net

      • ckg
        July 7, 2015, 2:03 pm

        There is a AP wire story today about BDS. It’s interesting that the article mentions that Orange unwound its deal with Partner Communications, and that Hillary said she opposes BDS, but it doesn’t relate the two. In fact, as you note, Hillary expressed her strong opposition to BDS in a letter written to the controlling shareholder of Partner, a donor who gifted her super PAC $2 million the day before and who has given millions more to the Clinton Foundation.

      • Hostage
        July 8, 2015, 12:20 pm

        It’s interesting that the article mentions that Orange unwound its deal with Partner Communications, and that Hillary said she opposes BDS, but it doesn’t relate the two.

        I agree. The WaPo folks are not doing their job, as usual. Orange and Partner had just concluded a 10 year deal. Now they’ve announced a new one that allows Orange to withdraw after only two years.

        At the Adelson-Saban anti-BDS summit, Saban pretended that the Orange CEO was in deep legal trouble and called him a liar after hearing that he’d apologized and explained that his desire to terminate the deal wasn’t a politically motivated move. link to youtu.be

        It undoubtedly wasn’t politically motivated, since the UN and the government of France had been warning business about either the “legal consequences” or “legal risks” of doing business in the settlements for months on end.

  3. lancestrong
    July 6, 2015, 5:10 pm

    Is there one candidate who doesn’t pledge blind loyalty to Israel?

    • Giles
      July 6, 2015, 6:10 pm

      In the recent past, we had Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, and Cynthia McKinney. Rules were routinely (and illegally) broken to keep these folk out of debates and to prevent their delegates from being seated. And they were ridiculed and savaged by the mainstream media.

      The very positive coverage of Bernie Sanders by that same media lets us know he is an Israel loyalist (as if we needed more info on that).

      On another topic, the infiltration of Zionist propaganda into every aspect of our lives, the Sunday Boston Globe listed the hometown of a bride or groom (I forget which) in the society section as Jerusalem “Israel”.

      • lysias
        July 6, 2015, 6:33 pm

        Don’t forget Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel. Kucinich was pretty quickly no longer allowed to participate in the debates, and Gravel was never invited at all.

      • Giles
        July 6, 2015, 6:58 pm

        Yes. I meant to mention Kucinich. In one of the first debates for the Dem Presidential candidates, all the others were asked pretty run of the mill standard questions. When they arrived at Dennis K, the question put to him was about UFO sightings. And Mike Gravel embarrassed Hillary quite badly at one point and soon thereafter was seen no more.

      • Chu
        July 9, 2015, 9:08 am

        Kucinich had more integrity than any candidate in both parties today, but the media trashed him as an undeveloped man of sorts.

        Also Ron Paul won a straw poll debate a few years ago, and Fox news, edited him from the top slot. It was grounds for a lawsuit, and really trashy standards for Fox, but the other media outlets said little to nothing about it.

    • George Smith
      July 6, 2015, 7:53 pm

      You bet there’s a candidate who doesn’t pledge blind loyalty to Israel! That’s Jill Stein for the Green Party. And she’s on the progressive side of countless other issues as well. By all means donate to Bernie Sanders and attend his rallies, despite his shameful record on the Middle East. But WORK for Jill Stein! She’ll still be there for us long after Sanders has endorsed Clinton, as he’s promised he will.

    • Doubtom
      July 7, 2015, 12:32 pm

      NO! and that’s the problem with American politics–it’s actually indistinguishable from Israeli politics.

    • Doubtom
      July 7, 2015, 12:38 pm

      Webb, is also politically astute enough to realize that you need AIPAC in your corner to get anywhere in American politics.

      • Citizen
        July 7, 2015, 5:37 pm

        @ Doubtom
        Yep; Imagine how Webb sucked up that reality, when deciding to run for POTUS. Must have puked a thousand times. He’s written many fine books about aspects of US culture. Maybe someday he will write one abut that? Gee, I’m depressed. You need more than a purple heart & high eduction and writing ability to fight Israel First $. USA chooses Adelson over Webb and doesn’t even know it. Puke.

  4. lysias
    July 6, 2015, 5:10 pm

    Israel is a vibrant democracy in a region dominated by autocracy, and it faces existential threats to its survival.

    I can remember when similar arguments were made by the defenders of South Africa.

    • diasp0ra
      July 7, 2015, 5:40 am

      Hi lysias, do you have any sources stating such? I don’t doubt it at all of course, and I know it was made, but I’m working on a paper on Israel and the apartheid analogy and any such similarities and quotes could help further cement my case.

      It’s for a German university where they are a bit timid and afraid to say anything too critical of Israel, for obvious reasons. But the students I feel are starting to come around.

      Thanks in advance!

    • Hostage
      July 7, 2015, 10:28 am

      I can remember when similar arguments were made by the defenders of South Africa.

      You don’t have to look too far, her husband gave FW de Klerk the Medal of Freedom when he was President, when de Klerk came here begging to have US sanctions lifted. He is still an unapologetic racist:

      Mr de Klerk said he had made a “profound apology” about the injustices wrought by apartheid on many occasions.

      “What I haven’t apologised for is the original concept of seeking to bring justice to all South Africans through the concept of nation states (essentially creating two separate states, one black and one white),” he said.

      — FW de Klerk: not all aspects of apartheid ‘morally repugnant’ link to telegraph.co.uk

    • diasp0ra
      July 7, 2015, 11:10 am

      I couldn’t reply to your reply, but I just wanted to thank you very much for you links :)

  5. Citizen
    July 6, 2015, 5:12 pm

    She’s banking on Zionist donor money uber alles–has good reason to do so, starting with Truman

  6. lysias
    July 6, 2015, 5:12 pm

    Issue is also covered by The Hill: Clinton blasts BDS movement targeting Israel.

    • Rusty Pipes
      July 6, 2015, 6:04 pm

      As the media acknowledges, “The Democratic frontrunner [who] has long touted her support of Israel as a senator and secretary of State, a key issue in the American political debate” uses that history of support in her jobs as American Senator and SOS to raise funds from major Zionist donors.

      The Israel Lobby has been trying to cloak the AJC-EUMC working definition as the “State Department Definition of Anti-Semitism” in its attempts to silence criticism of Israel and BDS activities on campuses. Since the State Department under Condi Rice resisted using the 2005 AJC-EUMC working definition and it was promptly adopted by State when Hillary became SOS, we may well re-brand it as the Hillary-Fundraising Definition of Anti-Semitism.

  7. Citizen
    July 6, 2015, 5:16 pm

    The richest person in each state who will buy our next government: link to www3.forbes.com

    • HarryLaw
      July 7, 2015, 4:22 am

      Why are you so cynical? Democracy in the United States IS the best money can buy.

      • Citizen
        July 7, 2015, 5:44 pm

        Lol, yes.

  8. Peter Feld
    July 6, 2015, 5:28 pm

    Invoking terrorism and the deaths of four Jewish non-Israelis in Paris (while ignoring the thousands slaughtered by Israel, with her full support) to oppose nonviolent action against institutional discrimination is especially disgraceful.

    According to the newly released State Dept. emails Hillary loved Max’s first book. She should read the second and third.

  9. ckg
    July 6, 2015, 7:22 pm

    Thanks for reporting on this, Phil. Hillary Clinton is surely not folding over Luntz’s numbers. She is doubling down.

  10. a blah chick
    July 6, 2015, 7:47 pm

    She’s such a tool, I cannot abide her.

    You know what is worse? Chelsea is threatening to run for public office.

    God help us.

  11. Annie Robbins
    July 6, 2015, 7:54 pm

    i’d as soon vote for a neocon gop candidate as her. seriously.

    • ckg
      July 6, 2015, 9:14 pm

      Yep, Annie. Sometimes things need to get a whole lot worse before they get worse.

      • CigarGod
        July 7, 2015, 8:51 am

        Shock therapy?
        I guess it works sometimes. But in this case, I think the GOP would feed on it.

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      July 7, 2015, 9:41 am

      I would never vote for Hillary. Let’s hope she fades away forever.

      • Citizen
        July 7, 2015, 5:51 pm

        The US females will vote in majority bulk for Hillary ; how can anyone dispute this? With Obama it was because he was black, with Hillary, because she is a women. This tunnel vision will give us our next POTUS. I will bet on it; any takers?

      • Bornajoo
        July 7, 2015, 5:58 pm

        “The US females will vote in majority bulk for Hillary ; how can anyone dispute this? With Obama it was because he was black, with Hillary, because she is a women. This tunnel vision will give us our next POTUS. I will bet on it; any takers?”

        Nope! Not from me. You are absolutely right. That’s exactly what’s (Unfortunately) going to happen!

  12. amigo
    July 6, 2015, 8:20 pm

    “I am also very concerned by attempts to compare Israel with South African apartheid. Israel is a vibrant democracy in a region dominated by autocracy, and it faces existential threats to its survival” HC

    So , has Hillary seen a map of Israel.

    • CigarGod
      July 7, 2015, 8:54 am

      More of Israel on a map…makes it even more vibrant.

    • a blah chick
      July 7, 2015, 9:58 am

      “Israel is a vibrant democracy in a region dominated by autocracy, and it faces existential threats to its survival”

      Okay, who’s threatening their survival? I see them cosy with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are basket cases, Lebanon does not want a war, they have complete control of Gaza and the West Bank…

      Where are the frickin’ threats!?

  13. JLewisDickerson
    July 6, 2015, 9:46 pm

    RE: “Hillary Clinton promises megadonor she will work with Republicans– to oppose BDS “ ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Hillary Clinton will do/say whatever she needs to do/say in order to get elected. If Hillary Clinton gets back into the White House (i.e., is elected U.S. President), Haim and Cheryl Saban will effectively have a sublet on the Lincoln bedroom! *

    * SEE: “The Clinton Years Revisited”, By Philip Giraldi, Antiwar.com, 2008-02-26

    [EXCERPTS] As bad as the past eight years have been, it may be fruitful to remember what U.S. national security policy was like under Bill Clinton . . .
    . . . In an astonishing testament to the resiliency of the Clinton era neocon-lites, several of the better-known examples have recently surfaced in Doha. Qatar hosts an annual conference called the U.S.-Islamic World Forum, which was just concluded, running from Feb. 16-18. This year, for the first time, there was a co-sponsor, the Saban Center of Washington’s Brookings Institute. The Saban Center, far from an objective observer of the Middle East, is funded by Israeli-American billionaire Haim Saban, who said in a 2004 interview, “I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.” Saban is extremely close to the Clintons and is also reported to be the largest contributor to the Democratic National Committee. When Bill was in office, Saban and his wife slept in the Lincoln bedroom on a number of occasions. Like its founder, the Saban Center is Israel-centric in its policy analysis, sponsoring bilateral meetings in Jerusalem to discuss issues of common concern. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to antiwar.com

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 6, 2015, 9:49 pm

      P.S. FROM WIKIPEDIA (Haim Saban):

      [EXCERPTS] Haim Saban (/səˈbɑːn/; Hebrew: חיים סבן‎; born October 15, 1944) is an Israeli and American media proprietor, investor, philanthropist, musician, record, film & television producer.[2] An accomplished businessman primarily involved with business interests pertaining to financial services, entertainment, and media, and an estimated net worth of $3 billion, he is ranked by Forbes as the 143rd richest person in America.[1] . . .

      . . . • Political views and fundraising

      Saban says his greatest concern is to protect Israel. At a conference in Israel, Saban described his formula. His three ways to influence American politics were: make donations to political parties, establish think tanks, and control media outlets.[22]

      Saban became involved in politics in the mid-1990s when he felt that support for Israel was slipping in the United States.[5] . . .

      . . . Saban has been a generous and consistent donor to the United States Democratic Party according to his mandatory Federal Election Commission filings. Mother Jones, in an analysis of the major donors to the campaigns of 1998 election cycle, ranked Saban 155th among individual donors.[23] Amy Paris noted that Saban’s Clinton-era “generosity did not go unrewarded. During the Clinton administration, the entertainment executive served on the President’s Export Council, advising the White House on trade issues.”[23] The New York Times reported that Haim and his wife “slept in the White House several times during President Clinton’s two terms.” Saban remains close friends with the former President. Clinton described Saban as a “very good friend and supporter.”[5] Saban contributed between $5 million to $10 million to the William J. Clinton Foundation.[24]

      During the 2000 presidential election, Saban increased his rank to 5th among individual donors with a combined contribution of $1,250,500.[23] Matthew Yglesias wrote that “Saban was the largest overall contributor to the Democratic National Committee during the 2001–2002 cycle.” [25] Saban’s donations during that 2001–2002 period exceeded $10 million, the largest donation the DNC has received from a single source up to that time.

      In September 2004, Hillary Clinton described Saban as a very good friend, supporter and adviser: “I am grateful for his commitment to Israel, to a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and to my foundation’s work, particularly on reconciliation issues.”[5] In May 2007, Haim publicly declared his support for Clinton in 2008 presidential election.[20] In June 2007, Saban and Steven Spielberg co-hosted a Hillary Clinton fundraiser at the house of Peter Chernin, the President of News Corporation.[26] According to the Los Angeles Times,[26] the fundraiser brought in over $850,000.

      In March 2008, Saban was among a group of major Jewish donors to sign a letter to Democratic Party house leader Nancy Pelosi warning her to “keep out of the Democratic presidential primaries.”[27] The donors, who “were strong supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton presidential campaign”, “were incensed by a March 16 interview in which Pelosi said that party ‘superdelegates’ should heed the will of the majority in selecting a candidate.”[27] The letter to Pelosi stated the donors “have been strong supporters of the DCCC” and implied, according to The Jewish Telegraphic Agency,[27] that Pelosi could lose their financial support in important upcoming congressional elections.

      On May 19, 2008, it was reported that Haim Saban had “offered $1 million to the Young Democrats of America during a phone conversation in which he also pressed for the organization’s two uncommitted superdelegates to endorse the New York Democrat.”[28]

      Saban has also made donations to members of the Republican Party including a 2003 contribution to George W. Bush’s 2004 re-election campaign.[5] . . .

    • Bornajoo
      July 7, 2015, 2:38 pm

      “Clinton will do/say whatever she needs to do/say in order to get elected. If Hillary Clinton gets back into the White House (i.e., is elected U.S. President), Haim and Cheryl Saban will effectively have a sublet on the Lincoln bedroom!”

      Fully agree JLD.

      She’s a very scary person. And her unforgettable comment about Gaddafi: “we came, we saw, he died”. she was one of the primary drivers of the intervention in Libya and what is her legacy there? A failed state

      her prostitution to zionist money is bad enough, but I’m starting to believe she is a psychopath that could actually start a world war. Not that long ago I thought she might be the lesser of the evil candidates out there ( but Philemon put me right on that) . There is no difference between her and the majority of the republican candidates and in some respects she’s even more sinister as she’s pretending to be some kind of left leaning Democrat.

      If the next POTUS is a bad one I fear for the whole world. She’s would definitely be a bad one. As Lillian says above, let’s hope she fades forever

      • JLewisDickerson
        July 8, 2015, 5:29 pm


        P.S. She is the one who has blood on her hands! ! !

  14. edwardm
    July 6, 2015, 10:12 pm

    She wants to be Margaret Thatcher, American Style. (Mandela was a terrorist too, right?)

  15. rosross
    July 7, 2015, 8:39 am

    Hillary was bought by the Zionist/Israel/Jewish agenda long ago. She spouts the same sort of tripe which comes out of the Tel Aviv Hasbara bunkers. She is a disgrace and betrays the best of American values.

  16. CigarGod
    July 7, 2015, 9:02 am

    Want to dominate a country?
    Buy a President.

  17. Marshall
    July 7, 2015, 9:39 am

    Her comment on the Apartheid comparison is hilariously self-refuting. “Israel is a vibrant democracy,” eh? So were South Africa, and the Confederate States of America. They just didn’t let black people vote.

    • Donald
      July 7, 2015, 10:25 pm

      The “Israel is a vibrant democracy” phrase is one of those propaganda lines that works, at least for awhile, because people repeat it over and over again, so that it becomes conventional wisdom. It is nonsense for exactly the reason you say, but unless reporters start to push back on the phrase, it will fool people who don’t follow the issue closely. Everyone will know that Israel is the good guy because it is a “vibrant democracy”. Everyone says so.

      Stupid cliches work–I once had a smart friend of mine back in the 90’s parrot a line from either the NYT or Madelaine Albright to the effect that Israel only demolished some houses while the Palestinians were terrorists, so there was no moral equivalence. He got his info from the NYT.

      • Sibiriak
        July 7, 2015, 11:01 pm

        Donald: The “Israel is a vibrant democracy” phrase is one of those propaganda lines that works, at least for awhile, because people repeat it over and over again, so that it becomes conventional wisdom

        ———————-

        It’s certainly a propaganda line, and a falsehood, but it also reflects very real geopolitical dynamics:

        Cf.

        Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias spoke in Jerusalem on Monday of developing an axis of security and stability among Israel, Greece, and Cyprus inside what he called a regional “triangle of destabilization.”

        Speaking alongside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu before their meeting, Kotzias said that, “We are living inside a triangle of destabilization,” which he said begins “at the top” with Ukraine, and extends on one side to Libya, and on the other through Iraq and Syria.

        “We have to create inside this triangle a security and stability framework, and the relations between Israel, Cyprus and Greece are very important,” he said. “I call it the stabilization line in this area.”

        Kotzias was appointed in January, after the elections brought to power the radical- left Syriza Party, whose leaders in the past took a strongly pro-Palestinian position

        link to jpost.com

    • hophmi
      July 7, 2015, 11:49 pm

      No, South Africa was never a democracy. 20% of the people of South Africa voted. In Israel, everyone votes. Among many other reasons.

      • justicewillprevail
        July 8, 2015, 6:03 am

        Ah well, depends where you draw the boundaries of S Africa – were the bantustans and statelets included? Same as gerrymandered Israel, you can draw the boundaries where it suits your argument. Different states, same systems of control, division and separation.

      • lysias
        July 8, 2015, 9:52 am

        Actually, in the last years of apartheid, more than 20% had the right to vote, of a sort. Apartheid: Tricameral parliament:

        In the early 1980s, Botha’s National Party government started to recognise the inevitability of the need to reform apartheid.[161] Early reforms were driven by a combination of internal violence, international condemnation, changes within the National Party’s constituency, and changing demographics—whites constituted only 16% of the total population, in comparison to 20% fifty years earlier.[162]

        In 1983, a new constitution was passed implementing what was called the Tricameral Parliament, giving coloureds and Indians voting rights and parliamentary representation in separate houses – the House of Assembly (178 members) for whites, the House of Representatives (85 members) for coloureds and the House of Delegates (45 members) for Indians.[163] Each House handled laws pertaining to its racial group’s “own affairs”, including health, education and other community issues.[164] All laws relating to “general affairs” (matters such as defence, industry, taxation and Black affairs) were handled by a cabinet made up of representatives from all three houses. However, the white chamber had a large majority on this cabinet, ensuring that effective control of the country remained in white hands.[165][166] Blacks, although making up the majority of the population, were excluded from representation; they remained nominal citizens of their homelands.[167] The first Tricameral elections were largely boycotted by Coloured and Indian voters, amid widespread rioting.[168]

        In Israel, the Israeli Arabs have a nominal right to vote. It’s just that the representatives they elect are never allowed to have any real political power or to participate in any government.

      • Hostage
        July 8, 2015, 11:50 am

        In Israel, the Israeli Arabs have a nominal right to vote. It’s just that the representatives they elect are never allowed to have any real political power or to participate in any government.

        They most certainly do NOT have a vote or say in the official state functions performed by the Jewish-only WZO Settlement Division or the appointees of the Jewish National Fund to the Israel Land Authority Board of Governors. So basically no say at all in national or municipal planning or zoning matters.

      • lysias
        July 8, 2015, 9:57 am

        And what about the Confederacy, where the whites were a 2/3 majority and participated in a vibrant democracy, for whites?

      • lysias
        July 8, 2015, 11:55 am

        The Jim Crow South basically remained a democracy for whites only. Blacks may have had a theoretical right to vote, but very few of them were allowed to actually do so.

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2015, 2:14 pm

        “Blacks may have had a theoretical right to vote, but very few of them were allowed to actually do so.”

        There were segregated “colored primaries in some states. Thorogood Marshall had to fight for decisions against segregation in every single area of life. It was a while before a blanket prohibition of racial discrimination was enacted.

  18. Kay24
    July 7, 2015, 10:22 am

    Let’s face it, our politicians have the ability to ignore what is under their noses, and will sell their souls to the devil.

    Hillary just did (again).

  19. David Doppler
    July 7, 2015, 11:31 am

    Saban might be the key. He’s a one-issue guy: Israel. But his dearly beloved country is being run by a weak coalition of numb-skulled right-wingers, who repeatedly shoot Israel in the foot, and who regard American Jews with dis-respect and contempt. Despite all the efforts to stem BDS, it keeps growing. Support for Israel among American liberals, especially liberal Jews, keeps shrinking. Into the teeth of this movement’s ever gathering momentum, Netanyahu and the Likudnik/Neocons keep insisting on doubling down, dragging Saban and other liberal American Jews and their vestigial support into their doomed vortex. At some point, directed by people like Michael Oren to do something even more stupid, he has to have a limit.

    All those liberals who’ve abandoned the Likud/Neocon party line are immune to hasbara, it has the opposite of its intended effect. Or rather, it no longer works to mislead those members of the American public, who recognize it instead as evidence of corrupted media and government, but who are constrained by social norms from expressing themselves too bluntly, or too loudly, on the subject, at least so far. When Hilary parrots the Likudnik party line, she does it not because she believes it, but because she is corrupted. When Saban extracts such promises in exchange for monetary support, he, too, no longer believes the words. He’s going through the motions, following directions from foreign leadership for whom his respect has to be disappearing.

    As the vortex tightens, the old social order will eventually collapse.

    We’ve already had Abe Foxman try to call off Netanyahu’s speech to Congress. Anyone who thinks the Netanyahu regime will get smarter and more subtle, instead of continuing to double down, demanding ever more blatant denials of obvious reality, is kidding themselves.

    Oren’s book shows the mentality of the Israeli leadership, and it ain’t going to inspire much Aliyah. Suddenly, Iranian diplomats are speaking good sense: try diplomacy and negotiating interests, instead of aggression and intimidation to force submission.

    Obama is not without support among American Jews, and the notion that Haim Saban has the same capacity for blind, arrogant stupidity as a Sheldon Adelson is false.

    Who gives out first? America, or the Netanyahu regime? The intellectual elite in America have already switched sides. More billions will not reverse that; they just magnify the gall felt by those who have been enlightened.

  20. a blah chick
    July 7, 2015, 11:32 am

    Giles July 7, 2015, 11:12 am
    I don’t trust Sanders at all.

    His PEP is definitely a problem for me. How can you claim to be for civil liberties if you are prepared to exempt certain people?

    But what annoys me more is the attitude of some of his supporters. They see our focus on his PEP as another example of the “hard left” being clueless, and because of that we must be ignored.

  21. broadside
    July 7, 2015, 12:02 pm

    This is all good. Forget about Jewish elites; what they think, and do, will soon be beside the point. (I say by Nov. 2016.) History has always been about elites and masses, and against the masses the elites don’t stand a chance. And we are now at the point — finally! — where even overworked, stressed-out, misinformed I-just-want-to-get-home-to-the-couch-to-watch-Everybody-Loves-Raymond Americans can see it: all Israel, all the time. In our government, in our media. The light bulb is about to go off. ( Nov. 2016….)

    • ritzl
      July 7, 2015, 9:23 pm

      Yep, broadside. It’s SO all-Israel-all-the-time that, given that unambiguous and high-contrast political context, I believe how a candidate embraces or avoids the reality of Israel’s racist/fascist reality and how it treats Palestinians so murderously will be the #1 (maybe even the only one) metric on the honesty, durable leadership, and/or ease of corruptability…on ALL issues.

      We’re already seeing it with Bernie Sanders. The death of PeP, if only (at first) as a mask/excuse.

      Great comment.

  22. Qualtrough
    July 7, 2015, 1:49 pm

    Clinton is one of the most loathsome US politicians I can think of. She doesn’t have a single opinion that hasn’t been vetted by focus groups and polls. As loathsome as they are I would prefer Palin or Bachmann to be our first female President because at least they made us laugh.

    • Mooser
      July 7, 2015, 9:20 pm

      I have thought for a long time that Hilary Clinton has it in for us. She’s transferred all that anger to us, America’s people.

  23. Citizen
    July 7, 2015, 5:12 pm

    Former POTUS Carter is very wise; check out his POV: link to roanoke.com via @roanoketimes

    • ritzl
      July 7, 2015, 9:42 pm

      Thanks, Citizen. Sometimes i think Carter is the last sane voice out there.

      Way OT, but in order to rob the Confederate battle flag of it’s racist-supremacist caché, I wish it would come to be viewed as a symbol of revolution and be embraced by ALL people seeking change today. It would be tough, but if blacks and whites who are all being royally f’d by our system marched behind that particular unifying symbol for change, the nutters would be left all by their lonesomes to cry in their “Dixie” beers in their ramshackle compounds.

      Like I said, way, way OT (but with related “people united…” strains).

  24. lysias
    July 7, 2015, 6:53 pm

    People might be surprised with what this Zionist writer has to say about Democratic candidates. No strong Israel defenders among Dem W.H. hopefuls.

    • Mooser
      July 7, 2015, 9:22 pm

      “No strong Israel defenders among Dem W.H. hopefuls.”

      Sure, any candidate who isn’t for nuking Iran first thing hates the Jews. Right, Steve Kramer. From the article:

      “Strong support by an American president is vital for Israel, but the relationship is not one-sided. Israel is America’s most stalwart ally in the region, sharing its democratic ethos; it is the only country in the region that allows freedom of religion; its army (IDF) works in close cooperation with the US military; its intelligence services provide invaluable information to America; it has twice stymied the nuclear aspirations of Arab neighbors Iraq and Syria; and much more.”

      Look, it’s the troll our trolls look up to!

    • ritzl
      July 7, 2015, 9:28 pm

      I wonder what happens when there’s a general realization that everything is NEVER enough.

      Are there some lines that even a politician [or insert loathsome noun here] won’t cross?

  25. hophmi
    July 7, 2015, 11:51 pm

    “But every Palestinian I’ve met is in favor of BDS!”. Bassam Eid isn’t. Neither are the hundreds of Palestinian Sodastream workers you made destitute.

    • justicewillprevail
      July 8, 2015, 6:04 am

      Ah, that would be the BDS you keep telling us is toothless and ineffective. Your concern for Palestinians is touching, like a crocodile’s tears.

    • a blah chick
      July 8, 2015, 6:59 am

      Bassam Eid is a collaborator and not representative of Palestinian views. Here’s a sample of his views on BDS from an opinion piece he did for the Times of Israel recently:

      “In the West Bank too, “pro-Palestinian” activists use Palestinians as pawns. They are engaged in a campaign to de-legitimize Israeli businesses that operate in the West Bank regardless of the fact that those businesses typically provide good employment opportunities to Palestinians. “Pro-Palestinian” activists see the loss of jobs by Palestinians as a reasonable price to pay for the greater goal of weakening Israel.

      “The “pro-Palestinian” activists have therefore entirely completed the switch from supposedly being pro-Palestinian to being fully anti-Palestinian. While they claim to defend the interests of Palestinians, they in fact thrive on the deaths and unemployment of Palestinians.”

      He’s got 50 followers on Twitter, FIFTY. I think that tells you right there how much his opinions resonate with other Palestinians.

    • Hostage
      July 8, 2015, 12:44 pm

      Neither are the hundreds of Palestinian Sodastream workers you made destitute.

      That’s a fairly bizarre claim, since their “place of employment” had been created through an illegal act that displaced and made destitute the members of the local Palestinian and Bedouin communities. The industrial park was created on occupied land that had been annexed to an illegal Jewish settlement. FYI, if the Israeli government and Sodastream really want to counter BDS, then they should give them work permits and a legal workplace in Israel. P.S. that what they claim to be doing: “We are working with the Israeli government to secure work permits for our Palestinian employees.” link to theatlantic.com

      • a blah chick
        July 8, 2015, 12:50 pm

        Hostage, as bad as that quote is I have heard one even worse. I can’t recall where I read it but it was a hasbarist saying that BDS won’t work on the West Bank because Palestinians don’t want to be denied access to superior Israeli products.

        These people are clueless.

  26. RobertHenryEller
    July 8, 2015, 5:12 am

    Hillary Clinton just left an opening for Bernie Sanders to declare that he wants U.S. foreign policy to work first and foremost for Americans. Sanders does not even have to explicitly support BDS. But he can certainly support freedom of speech, and criticize efforts to suppress BDS supporters, without taking sides.

    Hillary knows how to raise money. She does not seem as good at attracting voters.

    link to middleeastmonitor.com

  27. HarryLaw
    July 8, 2015, 8:08 am

    In a 2013 study initiated by the then Finance Minister Yair Lapid, it examined possible scenarios based on different punitive measures, Israel’s worst case scenario would mean a complete embargo on Israeli products in Europe, with damage amounting to NIS 84.4 billion in lost exports, and a NIS 40 billion drop in GDP. link to middleeastmonitor.com. Will Haim Saban offer to make up the shortfall?

  28. michelle
    July 8, 2015, 5:40 pm

    .
    seems like these elections need a name change
    the voters won’t be electing an American president
    they are voting for an Israeli President who will run America
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  29. JLewisDickerson
    July 8, 2015, 8:36 pm

    RE: “Hillary Clinton wrote a letter to Haim Saban, the biggest giver on the Democratic side, saying that she will be speaking out publicly against BDS, the boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign aimed at Israel, and will work “across party lines” to oppose it.” ~ Weiss

    TAKE ACTION! ! !

    Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:04:37 -0400
    From: [email protected]
    To: DICKERSON
    Subject: Bernie, Tell Hillary: West Bank Settlements Are Not Israel

    Just Foreign Policy

    Dear John,

    On July 2, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton sent a letter to Haim Saban, a major Clinton donor and fundraiser, expressing her “alarm” over the “Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction movement,” which she called “a global effort to isolate the state of Israel by ending commercial and academic exchanges.” Clinton asserted that “we need to make countering BDS a priority.” Clinton’s letter failed to make any distinction between Israel and Israeli settlements in the West Bank. [1]
    • Urge Bernie Sanders to challenge Hillary to clarify her position on Israeli settlements in the West Bank by signing our petition at MoveOn. – link to petitions.moveon.org

  30. Accentitude
    July 9, 2015, 3:16 am

    (But every Palestinian I’ve met is in favor of BDS!)”

    Well, that’s true but you haven’t met Abbas who doesn’t agree with boycotting Israel
    link to electronicintifada.net

    Or the so-called “American Taskforce on Palestine” led by Ziad Asali and Hussein Ibish which opposes boycotting Israel.
    link to americantaskforce.org

    ….but we all know that they’re a bunch of Uncle Toms or “House Arabs” if you prefer.

    See this picture of Ziad Asali (A Palestinian American and the founder of the ATFP) broing it up with Michael Oren at a celebration for Israeli Independence Day (what we real Palestinians refer to as the “Nakba”) at the Israeli Embassy in Washington D.C. (You guys even reported it):

    link to mondoweiss.net

    • Hostage
      July 9, 2015, 5:42 am

      Well, that’s true but you haven’t met Abbas who doesn’t agree with boycotting Israel.

      No, you’re not too bright to bring him up. He is the head of a state that has formally charged Israel with the crime of apartheid in both the ICJ and the ICC. Like Omar Barghouti, he has no other choice but to trade with Israel, since Palestine is a captive state that is under constant belligerent occupation or under siege from Israel. He has gone to the UN Security Council to stop that. If he is unsuccessful there, then the PLO Executive has already declared that it will demand equal rights, including the right of return and the vote in Israel. When that day finally comes, all the efforts of Zionist Diaspora Jews will not be able to help you stop the boycotts, divestments, or sanctions against Israel..

      • Accentitude
        July 9, 2015, 6:24 am

        Abbas talks tough but he won’t do anything to compromise his authority or endanger his relationship with the West. He’ll only go so far and then stop. He’s been doing it consistently and because of it a large chunk of the Palestinian population are frustrated with him and don’t support his efforts.

    • gamal
      July 9, 2015, 5:53 am

      ” a bunch of Uncle Toms or “House Arabs” ”

      Look who else is in Da House

      “Sisi meets American-Jewish organisation to discuss ‘terrorism’ ”

      “During the meeting with the American-Jewish Committee, Sisi reportedly warned of the militant threat to the Middle East and Africa”

      link to middleeasteye.net

      #EgyptTurmoil Middle East Eye

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