Top Israel advocate uses San Bernardino killings to attack Islam

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Josh Block, the CEO of the Israel Project, has been obsessively following every step of the massacre in southern California, stating that it is the work of the so-called Islamic state and using the attacks to put down Islam. Look at Block’s twitter feed. He established at 9:30 last night that it was an Islamist attack and had nothing to do with the workplace:

FLASHBACK Obama: Soldiers shot by FtHood terrorist, Islamist supporter in contact w/ AlQaeda in “workplace violence”

He declared at 1 in the morning last night that ISIS is behind the attacks:

Lesson4 new IS recruits:Don’t attack @ work. No credit or 72 virgins. WH will steal ur glory & give 2 some group called “Workplace Violence”

He explained that ISIS has cells here:

Islamic State ‘Has 300 Recruiters Online In US’ [with a link]

He suggested that the attackers had called out “Allahu Akbar” without evidence:

If past attack on US soldiers by Islamist yelling Allah Akbar were classified by Obama Admin as “workplace violence” what about this?

It turns out he is an expert on the terrorist violence:

Given multiple bombs found @ at least 1 Farook/Malik scene means this could not have been spontaneous workplace violence.

By the way, here is the Israel Project’s description of its mission (emphasis ours):

A one-stop source for detailed and accurate information, TIP provides facts to press, policymakers and the public on issues affecting Israel and the Middle East, the Jewish people and America’s interests in the Middle East.

On his twitter feed, Block has also used the killings to attack the Council on American-Islamic Relations and retweeted a number of tweets aimed at demonizing Islam:

Media still asking/quistioning what ‘sparked’ the #SanBernardino attack. WTF it didn’t ‘spark’ it was clearly planned well ahead of time FFS.

Wait, people don’t normally have pipe bombs laying around the house?

Another critical fact will be where Farook and Malik trained with their weapons and who (if anyone) advised them. Hello computer forensics.

It sounds like they weren’t the typical “spray-and-pray” terrorists. Shot 31 people in about half a minute.

Why the obsession? What on earth does this shooting in California have to do with Israel? Here’s why:

There has been resistance against Israel, some of it violent, for decades by Palestinians.

That resistance is due to Israel’s occupation/dispossession of Palestinians.

Israel advocates can’t admit that cause, so they need an alternate “narrative.”

So they say the resistance is caused by Islamism; Muslims want to take over everything.

Which explains why Josh Block, who is paid to be an advocate for Israel, spends much of his Twitter feed attacking Muslims wherever they are. The more time he spends attacking Muslims, the less his audience can reflect on occupation/dispossession.

We honestly think Block’s frenetic approach is a mistake. There are certainly people who are sympathetic to Israel who will be put off by his Islamophobic message. And P.S.: Even Marco Rubio in his speech to the Republican Jewish Coalition today refused to draw conclusions about the attacks: “We don’t know all the facts yet.”

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  1. marc b.
    December 3, 2015, 1:24 pm

    what, no mention of alleged travel of one perp to KSA? or of GOI logistical, medical and military support for anti-Assad jihadis?

    • lysias
      December 4, 2015, 6:00 pm

      Not just one perp. Farook went there to meet his email-order bride, but that bride — the one who we now learn had sworn allegiance to ISIS, had lived in Saudi for years.

      Saudi Arabia and its established religion of Wahhabism are the fons et origo of Salafism, al Qaeda, ISIS, and the other Islamist terror groups.

      Saudi and its allied Gulf states are the chief source of funding for ISIS.

    • a4tech
      December 6, 2015, 3:38 am

      I’m more perplexed with zero mentions of early eyewitness reports of 3 heavily built white men who were seen at the location shooting up people one day before media officially presents the shooters Muslim identity and he’s connection to ISIS. The poor guy has a 6 months old baby as well, which makes the media’s story even more unbelievable. I honestly do not buy any bit of the story pushed by the MSM so far, and am certain there are malicious elements involved with the narrative.

  2. JWalters
    December 3, 2015, 2:53 pm

    Some Christians claim only Christians go to heaven.
    http://www.missiontoamerica.org/letters/other-religions/muslims-01.html

    Some Jews claim the Jewish religion is the only true religion.
    http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

    The Koran states specifically that Jews, Christians, and Muslims who believe in God/Allah and live righteously shall be rewarded by the Lord. (2:62)
    http://www.wright-house.com/religions/islam/Quran/2-cow.php

    The Koran also warns against unbelievers who masquarade as believers in all three religions. But in it’s most official written statement, it is the MOST TOLERANT of the three religions.

    There are people in all three religions whose fears and anger lead them to fight amongst themselves. They have lost sight of the Golden Rule.

  3. hophmi
    December 3, 2015, 2:55 pm

    “We honestly think Block’s frenetic approach is a mistake”

    So do I. I reject, totally, Block’s Islamophobic tweeting and TIP’s exploitation of San Bernadino shooting. It is inappropriate and wrong.

  4. hophmi
    December 3, 2015, 2:57 pm

    Now, I hope you’ll condemn this, which is also inappropriate and wrong. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/called-terrorist-activists

    • John O
      December 3, 2015, 3:45 pm

      It seems your condemnation of Bloch is conditional.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        December 3, 2015, 5:10 pm

        Was about to say the very same thing.

        It seems it’s not actually psychologically possible for hophmi to offer anything more than the most conditional and half-baked condemnations of Israel and its supporters.

      • oldgeezer
        December 3, 2015, 9:51 pm

        How do you hophmi ‘s rejection as conditional?

        Not having read the article he references in it’s entirety I do see them as dissimilar sutuations. One is blaming and individual for her actions and words (at least on the surface while the opposite is blaming a collective for the actions of individuals.

      • hophmi
        December 4, 2015, 7:32 am

        No, conditional would be if I conditioned one condemnation on another. I haven’t done that.

      • talknic
        December 4, 2015, 3:00 pm

        hophmi ” conditional would be if I conditioned one condemnation on another. I haven’t done that”

        I agree. Your whataboutery isn’t conditional

    • talknic
      December 3, 2015, 8:36 pm

      @ hophmi ” Now, I hope you’ll condemn this, which is also inappropriate and wrong. link to mondoweiss.net

      OK hophmi.

      Rabbi Susan Talve is what one might call a real hypocritical Zioterrorist and Judaohater ™ . Her stance runs contrary to the most basic of Judaism’s tenets and International Law

    • Kris
      December 3, 2015, 9:48 pm

      @hophmi, at 2:55 p.m.: ” I reject, totally, Block’s Islamophobic tweeting and TIP’s exploitation of San Bernadino shooting. It is inappropriate and wrong.”

      @hophmi, at 2:57 p.m.: “Now, I hope you’ll condemn this, which is also inappropriate and wrong. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/called-terrorist-activists

      From hopmi’s link:

      A meme created and posted by HandsUp United on Monday has caused an uproar in St. Louis activist circles.

      The image that circulated on social media bears the photo of Rabbi Susan Talve, the leader of St. Louis’ Central Reform Congregation….

      The controversy surrounds the commentary in the meme about Rabbi Talve referring to her as a “Real Terrorist” for her support of Israeli apartheid and its oppression of Palestinians.

      The image is part of HandsUp United “Real Terrorist” campaign calling out St. Louis power brokers for their role in perpetuating systems of racial oppression and includes photos of St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, Missouri Governor Jay Nixon, Missouri Senator Jamilah Nasheed with the hashtag #‎RealTerrorist.

      I can see that Block’s Islamophobic tweeting and TIP’s exploitation of the San Bernadino shooting are inappropriate and wrong, since they are all about promoting lies.

      But Rabbi Talve, through her support of Israel, does support genocide and international apartheid, so pointing this out is appropriate and correct. Lying is the problem, not pointing out embarrassing truths.

    • Elliot
      December 4, 2015, 5:20 am

      Hophmi,
      There is no equivalence here:
      Muslims, the underdogs in the U.S. are being attacked by a member of a powerful political lobby which speaks for an extremely influential foreign power; OTOH, Handsupunited.org is a group of African-American activists with offices in Florissant right next to Ferguson doing educational work and edgy activism. They periodically take on public figures who back violence and oppression. They targeted Rabbi Talve on account of her words and actions. Handsupunited reframes the hyper-inflated and abusive term “terrorist”. They are labeling influential public figures as “Real Terrorists” because of their backing of violence and oppression. They are not accusing all Jews (who have done nothing) of anything.
      I agree with others that your second post undermines the credibility your first post. That’s a pity. Your repudiation of Josh Block’s Islamophobia was important.

  5. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    December 3, 2015, 3:00 pm

    It’s quite depressing to see the unbridled glee which so many Zionists are taking in the Paris attacks, and now here again.

    And I include many of very own Mondoweiss hasbarists in that number.

  6. gracie fr
    December 3, 2015, 3:18 pm

    ….Meanwhile in Paris and elsewhere in France , events are looking precariously familiar to the Occupied Territories and other places here there and everywhere

    http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/3/state_of_emergency_in_france_2

  7. MaxNarr
    December 3, 2015, 6:27 pm

    How about the people on here that blame Jewish settlers for the Duma arson when there is no evidence and it would be highly improbably for a Jew to get into the middle of that city to burn a house and escape?

    • diasp0ra
      December 3, 2015, 8:08 pm

      Yeah, because the “rich” history of “price tag attacks” (terrorism) shows that settlers really are afraid of approaching Palestinian villages with ill intent..

      • MaxNarr
        December 3, 2015, 8:11 pm

        name one “price tag” event where there is evidence of a Jew infiltrating kilometers deep into a densely packed Arab neighborhood, spray painting in bad grammatical Hebrew and then firebombing a house (that was already involved in a local tribal fued) and escaping.

        Its a hoax.

      • diasp0ra
        December 4, 2015, 7:47 am

        @Max

        The Shin Bet literally arrested a group of settlers for the burning.

        There are already many videos online of attacks, even covered by Israeli journalists, as has been pointed out in other replies.

        Perhaps you need to face reality.

      • talknic
        December 4, 2015, 3:04 pm

        MaxNarr “name one “price tag” event where there is evidence of a Jew infiltrating kilometers deep into a densely packed Arab neighborhood, spray painting in bad grammatical Hebrew and then firebombing a house (that was already involved in a local tribal fued) and escaping”

        According to Shin Bet the Duma arson http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/03/israel-arrests-members-of-jewish-terror-group-over-west-bank-arson-attack

        “Its a hoax”

        Go moan to Shin Bet

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2015, 3:18 pm

        MaxNarr “name one “price tag” event where…/…already involved in a local tribal fued) and escaping”

        Isn’t that the very description of the ‘Duma arson’?

        MaxNarr has cognitive dissonance so bad it’s like his brain is attached to the battery backwards.

      • Marnie
        December 5, 2015, 1:04 am

        @MadMax

        Move out of your safta’s basement already! It’s not good that you should be in the dark all the time.

    • oldgeezer
      December 3, 2015, 8:36 pm

      @MaxNarr

      Why improbable? There is plenty of video evidence of the terrorist settlers operating under idf supervision and protection.

      • MaxNarr
        December 3, 2015, 9:01 pm

        Show one video of a settler commiting a price tag

      • Kris
        December 3, 2015, 10:18 pm

        @MaxNarr: “Show one video of a settler commiting a price tag.”

        Maybe the problem is that your internet access is limited to mondoweiss, and you can’t do your own internet searches?

        Try going to a public library, so you can use the google search engine on a public computer there. You can find all kinds of information that way, and a librarian will be delighted to help you, if you ask. Not only will she show you how to find information through google, she will show you how to find videos on youtube.com. There are so many videos there of Israeli Jews victimizing Palestinians that you won’t be able to watch them all.

        While you’re at the library, please find the link to your info that Breaking the Silence was “debunked,” since, days later, you still haven’t shared it.

      • talknic
        December 3, 2015, 10:27 pm

        @ MaxNarr “Show one video of a settler commiting a price tag”

        If you insist on making an idiot of yourself Max.

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18149573

      • tree
        December 3, 2015, 11:25 pm

        Here’s a whole two pages worth of them:

        http://www.btselem.org/video/search/32?page=1

        Here’s a timeline of price tag attacks in the last four years from APN, Some have videos:

        http://peacenow.org/entry.php?id=1077#.VmEKQVWrTnA

        And here’s a video from 2013 of haredi protesters hurling stones at an unfortunate Palestinian driver who happened to be DWA (driving while Arab) in Jerusalem. Not exactly a price tag attack, just plain old bigotry in action during a protest against the Israeli arrest of a Rabbi accused of extortion. But it is an example of Jews throwing stones without being shot and killed ( or “neutralized”). What a surprise, eh?

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4454610,00.html

        And just for good measure here’s a video I found along the way from Israel’s Channel 10 on the tax exempt “charity” Honenu that provides money to convicted Jewish terrorists in Israel.

    • talknic
      December 3, 2015, 8:41 pm

      @ MaxNarr “How about the people on here that blame Jewish settlers for the Duma arson when there is no evidence and it would be highly improbably for a Jew to get into the middle of that city to burn a house and escape?”

      Sure Max, sure. Go take your pathetic whining to the Shin Bet http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/03/israel-arrests-members-of-jewish-terror-group-over-west-bank-arson-attack

      BTW I have a question: why is it you are inevitably so easily proven wrong on almost everything you say?

      • MaxNarr
        December 3, 2015, 9:02 pm

        I will not converse with talknic as he has promoted the murder of innocent civilians

      • talknic
        December 3, 2015, 10:20 pm

        @ MaxNarr “I will not converse with talknic as he has promoted the murder of innocent civilians”

        False accusations are against the basic tenets of Judaism Max. That you resort to false accusations in support the ‘Jewish’ State is quite bizarre

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2015, 2:38 am

        “I will not converse with talknic as he has promoted the murder of innocent civilians”

        You will converse with whomever the Moderators say you will converse with. Stop trying to pretend you have some kind of a choice.

      • MHughes976
        December 4, 2015, 4:51 am

        On not conversing – there are situations where you learn more from reasonably like-minded than from alien-minded people. I wouldn’t feel an absolute obligation to reply when replying would not amount to much more than bandying words and I have never feared that the moderators might ban me if there were some cudgels I didn’t want to pick up.

      • Kay24
        December 4, 2015, 8:29 am

        “I will not converse with talknic as he has promoted the murder of innocent civilians”

        Really? I do not recall Talknic ever supporting the occupier when they massacred over 2000 Palestinians in Gaza last year.

      • italian ex-pat
        December 5, 2015, 9:03 am

        I got R. Silverstein’s new article in my e-mail 10 minutes ago, and it might just be the answer to MaxNarr’s (whoever he is) questions and doubts: Richard has named the four suspected Duma arsonists, who’ve been arrested, and guess what . . . . one is a US citizen! (that may explain the dragging of the ‘investigation’ all this time). My hat off to the brave MKs who would not be intimidated and pushed hard for the arrest, and kudos to Mr. Silverstein for his dogged pursuit of this case.

    • echinococcus
      December 3, 2015, 8:54 pm

      You see, Narr (=the Fool; not everybody here knows Jiddisch, so you should let everybody know every time), the situation with censormoderating here is so that you can write that shit, but if someone gives the proper answer, telling you to drop dead of all the plagues of Egypt, for example, heshe will get censored, so no one will tell you that.

    • zaid
      December 4, 2015, 2:23 am

      Dummy

      Today Israel arrested the Jewish terrorists who committed the crime in Duma.

  8. Kay24
    December 3, 2015, 7:22 pm

    Talking about disgusting racists, how about this New York Post front page?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-post-muslim-killers-san-bernardino_56606c35e4b079b2818d6ecb

    • kalithea
      December 3, 2015, 10:22 pm

      And someone justifies this hate-baiting as: Islam is not a race. So if one accepts this logic, when 2000 Palestinians were slaughtered in the last massacre against them, the NYP should have then titled a front page: Jewish killers, right? And then that smart-ass could justify the headline with: Judaism is not a race.

      • Kay24
        December 4, 2015, 8:03 am

        I totally agree. Never will they have such a front page, if this was done by any other faith, and they dare not put up a front page with the words “Jewish Killers”, ever.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        December 4, 2015, 9:30 am

        They happily use the ‘Jewish’ label when it comes to victims though, as in ”Palestinians love killing Jews”. The same people would never say ”Jews killed 500 children last summer”. If anyone else did, they’d be wailing about ‘anti-semitism’.

        Jews are only Jews when they are, or can be portrayed as, victims.

      • Mayhem
        December 6, 2015, 8:37 pm

        @Maximus, throw away the trope about Jews touting victimhood. Jews celebrate LIFE foremost. On the other hand listen to what is said by Hamas, “We love death like our enemies love life.” Refer https://youtu.be/GyXS9072jCc

      • talknic
        December 7, 2015, 3:58 am

        @ Mayhem “Jews celebrate LIFE foremost”

        Is that why Israeli Jews sit on a hill watching the IDF destroy non-Jewish lives?

        ” listen to what is said by Hamas, “We love death like our enemies love life.” “

        ‘Listen to ‘ It’s not in English. We are told by the laughably outrageous propaganda outfit PMW what he is alleged to have said.

      • diasp0ra
        December 7, 2015, 10:08 am

        @Mayhem

        “On the other hand listen to what is said by Hamas, “We love death like our enemies love life.”

        And you take that literally? Nobody loves death.

        This sentence means to contrast both societies, that unlike Israelis who are attached to their material life and lifestyle, Palestinians have nothing to lose. In a war of attrition Israel has more to lose. Israelis fear death.

        Examples of this would be IDF troops literally picking up their tails and running out of South Lebanon crying, same with the ground invasion of Gaza last year. There have not been any similar displays by Hezbollah or Hamas.

      • talknic
        December 7, 2015, 11:07 am

        diasp0ra

        Enough with the logic. You’ll freak poor Mayhem out

      • Kay24
        December 11, 2015, 3:18 am

        “Jews celebrate LIFE foremost” @ Mayhem

        What joke. The entire world watched Israel celebrating death while killing over 2000 Palestinians last year, they also saw entire families being killed as Israel’s infamous precision bombs decimated Gaza, they also saw many UN shelters that housed refugees getting bombed.
        Every day the Jews celebrate killing Palestinians, and Palestinian kids are not spared.

        Maybe you should have been honest enough to say “Jews celebrate only THEIR own lives, while treating those they occupy like it is cheap”.

  9. Kris
    December 3, 2015, 7:35 pm

    The Israeli police have arrested some Jewish terrorists for the Duma arson, so they must think they have good evidence:

    Reuters, JerusalemThursday, 3 December 2015

    Members of a “Jewish terror group” have been arrested over an arson attack on a Palestinian home in the Israeli-occupied West Bank that killed a toddler and his parents, Israeli police said on Thursday.

    A police statement did not say how many suspects were in custody. It said a court order banning disclosure of their names and other details of the case was in effect.

    Eighteen-month-old Ali Dawabsheh was killed in the July 31 blaze in Duma, a village outside Nablus.

    His father, Saad Dawabsheh, succumbed to the burns he suffered in the fire on Aug. 9, and the baby’s mother, Riham, died in hospital four weeks later. Ali’s four-year-old brother remains in hospital.

    The police statement said “youths belonging to a Jewish terror group” suspected of carrying out attacks on Palestinians were arrested over the past few days, and there were “solid suspicions” linking them to the arson at the Dawabshehs’ home. http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/12/03/Several-Israelis-arrested-over-Duma-arson-attack-.html

    I’m still waiting, though, days later, for you to share your evidence that Breaking the Silence has been “debunked.” I’m guessing that you have no evidence.

    • echinococcus
      December 3, 2015, 8:45 pm

      Gee, how nice it is to know that the Only Democracy in the Mid… no, make it The World practices such unprecedented transparency, so people may check on their investigating their own (or pretending to like every single F*&^% time.) Names withheld –yarright.

      • Egbert
        December 5, 2015, 5:13 am

        Silverstein has the details including names.

        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/12/04/walla-u-s-citizen-member-of-jewish-terror-ring/

        He produces evidence identifying one of the killers as an American citizen. His facebook page (now taken down) looks like something straight out of the ISIS media manual.

        http://i1.wp.com/www.richardsilverstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/israel-keller-fb-profile-pic.jpg?resize=467%2C197

        “Therefore, let us name our American Jewish killers and let them take the stage for their moment of infamy. Yisrael Baer Keller, take you bow! You are now an honored member of the Jewish Jihad, JSIS. “

      • just
        December 5, 2015, 10:44 am

        Thank you, Egbert.

        Thanks to Mr. Silverstein.

        What say you, Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry??? What? I can’t hear you.

      • Kris
        December 5, 2015, 11:56 am

        @just: “What say you, Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry??? What? I can’t hear you.”

        Obama and Kerry are on the phone with Netanyahu and AIPAC right now, just. It’s complicated–should they send the U.S. Jewish “settler” back home to the U.S., or let him be subjected to a few months of imprisonment and adulation in Israel? Agonizing decision. I wonder if this will come up in their conversation:

        Turkish authorities arrest Israeli suspected of organ trafficking

        Boris Wolfman, who was indicted in Israel but managed to flee the country, was caught at Istanbul airport; he is expected to be extradited to Israel.

        Turkish authorities arrested an Israeli suspected of organ trafficking, the Turkish Doğan News Agency reported on Saturday.

        The Israeli, who is wanted by the Interpol, was arrested at the Atatürk Airport in Istanbul early Friday.

        He was identified in the Turkish media as Boris Walker, but is believed to be Boris Wolfman who was indicted in Israel for organ trafficking, but managed to flee the country.

        Wolfman’s remand was extended in 40 days, after which he is expected to be extradited to Israel.

        According to a report in Turkish newspaper Daily Vatan, Wolfman allegedly arrived in Istanbul from Bangkok to convince struggling Syrian refugees to sell their organs.

        He had reportedly already started contacting Syrian refugees, and was making arrangement to operate on them in small hospitals in Turkish cities.

        Earlier this year, Wolfman and six others were charged with organ trafficking and organizing illegal transplants in Kosovo, Azerbaijan and Sri Lanka. The offenses in question were committed between the years 2008-2014. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735121,00.html

  10. Kay24
    December 3, 2015, 8:03 pm

    Joke of the day: Trump says he is a dealmaker and can make peace between the Palestinians and Israel…….wow, the naivety is breathtaking.

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/12/03/donald-trump-on-israel-palestine-rift-i-can-put-both-sides-tog/21277927/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1966362944

    • kalithea
      December 3, 2015, 10:05 pm

      How, by approving of mass expulsion of Mexican illegals…or the mass expulsion of the legal inhabitants of Palestine, the Palestinians?

      A man who ridicules a physical deformity rises in the polls and this fact reflects not only on him but on a large part of American society.

      • Kay24
        December 4, 2015, 8:04 am

        That is what I am afraid of. I don’t think my system can take a President Trump. I though Bush was bad, this is absolutely the worst.

  11. RoHa
    December 3, 2015, 9:25 pm

    “Wait, people don’t normally have pipe bombs laying around the house?”

    Of course not. We keep them in a proper pipe bomb coop, so they can lay their eggs there.

  12. kalithea
    December 3, 2015, 9:53 pm

    Ever since 9/11 Zionists have been busy, busy, busy stirring the pot of Islamophobia. your problem is our problem blah, blah, blah!.

    Legitimize genocide agenda: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen and they can only wish: Iran…and the mass killing of Muslims continues.

    And still people don’t get it; that diminishing our rights, creating police states to protect us while killing Muslims everywhere is not the solution to the problem; it incites more violence.

    Zionists like this guy are planting the seeds of fear and hate and can’t wait for Christians and Muslims to collide in the mother of all holy wars while they sit back in their armchairs and watch us destroy each other like they watched Gaza burn in the last massacre on those people in their concentration camp. And why do they sow these seeds of fear, suspicion and hate? Because they want to justify their grand theft, their crimes against Palestinians and clear Israel of what they want others to understand are not human beings, but heathen.

    • a4tech
      December 4, 2015, 1:05 am

      Actually the current global conflict has roots in the Christian Europe wars against Islam from the 15th century.

      The goal of the European ruling class is to not only stop the spread of Islam into their territories, but also to counter its influence globally by spreading Christianity among indigenous societies and also Islamic nations. That is how Christianity spread in Africa and South America and the Philippines, through colonization and hegemonic indoctrination as means to secure the power of the ruling class in Europe. Note how Europe never managed to convert en masse the Muslim societies to Christianity, even after half a millennium of conquest and colonization, this is because you cant sell fake gems to people already possessing real ones.

      Anyways on the grand scheme of things, Zionists are just one of the modern extension of Christian Europe’s long running war against Islam. After failing through direct confrontation ( the Crusades), indirect subversion ( colonizations and spreading nationalism), they are trying to win through deceit and internal destabilization of Islamic societies.

      I actually welcome their futile efforts as it will just end up spreading Islam even further while their actions reveal the lies and falsehood that has sustained their rule over Europe for over 2000 years.

      • talknic
        December 7, 2015, 4:02 am

        @ a4tech “Actually the current global conflict has roots in the Christian Europe wars against Islam from the 15th century”

        Wars about power over trade and resources. The religious aspect was as it is now, used as an enabler

  13. TwoRedDogs
    December 4, 2015, 2:33 am

    Here’s an interesting story about an argument with the messianic coworker over Islam and Israel, that only Times of Israel has reported so far.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-victim-of-california-attack-had-argued-with-shooter-about-islam/

    • Annie Robbins
      December 4, 2015, 2:54 am

      to be more precise it’s a story about a woman who claimed she happened to call one of the victims while he was discussing islam w/his co worker (the murderer) and was able to hear part of the conversation on the phone. and the same source claimed the victims wife now “believes her husband was martyred for his faith and beliefs” even tho the wife already “told the LA Times that she was unaware of any friction between her husband and Farook.”

      with the messianic coworker over Islam and Israel

      actually, nothing in the conversation she claims she over heard over the phone even mentions israel. the article simply claims:

      Nicholas Thalasinos, 52, passionately defended Israel, and actively debated religion in online forums and in person, his friends said.

      there’s not an inkling in the article even suggesting the victim discussed israel with any of his co workers.

      but the victim definitely sounds like an islamophobe. http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/12/03/56020/san-bernardino-shooting-update-heated-exchange-on/

      Thalasinos’ wife Jennifer Thalasinos told KPCC her husband was outspoken about radical Islam. She said her husband “did have a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment.”

      ….”He was very outspoken about how he felt. … He was anti-Muslim in the whole scheme of things just because everything has been so out of control with ISIS and Al-Qaeda and their anti-Semitic sentiment and with my husband being a Messianic Jew, that was a big issue with him.”

      ……A Facebook page that Jennifer Thalasinos confirmed belonged to her husband featured several images related to Messianic Judaism and at least one that appeared to be critical of Muslims.

      That image shows a picture of what appears to be someone falling out of the World Trade Center during 9/11, superimposed with the following words “On behalf of this guy, his co-workers, the fire fighters on scene, the passengers on the planes, their families & the majority of Americans on the street, You can stick your Million Muslim March up your [a**es].”

      • italian ex-pat
        December 4, 2015, 5:58 pm

        Personally, I think that the very idea of someone calling a friend on the phone (presumably not to discuss religion) and ‘happening’ to overhear and/or get involved in their ongoing discussion defies belief. What, was it a conference call?
        Obviously, someone is trying very hard to make this into something it is not – “Nicholas was targeted for his religious beliefs” the wife allegedly said, two days after stating the two men were friends. What about the other 13 unlucky souls? Let’s just hope no other victim turns out to be of the Jewish persuasion, or we’ll have a case of anti-Semitic mass murder, and Netanyahu himself will jump on a plane to S.B.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 6:10 pm

        exactly italian. my personal hunch after reading this persons website is that she is so enthralled with herself she made efforts to insert herself into this story and glam some attention. if you google her name it’s on literally tons of articles right now (referencing this story) primarily because there’s such a dearth of specific antidotes regarding this crime hers stands out. and it’s really not very believable (the alleged phone call) — at all.

        she an attention groupie and a conservation talk radio guest http://www.toptalkradio.com/id95.html

        so she’s all about glamming attention.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 6:27 pm

        and another thing. she claims to be having a phone conversation w/him during his work day, and knows who his work affiliates are, but they do not even follow each other on twitter https://twitter.com/LeastServant/following

        how likely is that for political affiliates? plus, she’s got about 3k followers. not so sure that gives her a celebrity status but i’d say not. she promotes herself as an entertainer http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0433139/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm#mini_bio

        (ex “Adult Film Actress” — i guess that means mini porn star)

    • talknic
      December 4, 2015, 3:21 am

      @ TwoRedDogs “Here’s an interesting story about an argument with the messianic coworker over Islam and Israel”

      Uh huh. Here’s a couple of interesting items from the ‘lady’ herself

      http://thelastcivilright.org/2012/09/14/my-views-on-muslims-the-muslim-faith-of-islam-and-the-quran/

      http://thelastcivilright.org/2014/08/11/an-open-letter-to-mr-george-galloway/

      Seems to be a rabid Islamophobe

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 4:39 am

        Thalasinos shows up in the comment section of your second link talknic. i rec everyone read it to grasp what a racist ignoramus he was. and her comments on the threads are filthy. the chances her story of the conversation she allegedly overheard is true? she has no integrity – zilch credibility in my book.

        also, could someone explain to me how this works? Thalasinos was a member of the greek orthodox church who recently converted to jewish messianic. http://usa.greekreporter.com/2015/12/03/greek-american-nicholas-thalasinos-among-the-dead-at-san-bernardino-shooting/

        what i want to know is why convert to judaism to following messianic teachings? doesn’t it sort of defeat the purpose of converting to judaism if you’re not willing to give up the christ path? so instead of following jesus via greek orthodox one follows jesus thru messianic teaching. i don’t get the ‘being a jew’ conversion part.

      • a4tech
        December 4, 2015, 6:03 am

        So people have to explain their religious convictions to you now? What does your ignorance about the religion of her choice have anything to do with her?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 11:17 am

        What does your ignorance about the religion of her choice have anything to do with her?

        one of the victims, Nicholas Thalasinos, recently converted from greek orthodox church to messianic judaism (according to my link). he’s a man. his choice of religion has nothing to do with this vile islamophobic Kuuleme Stephens female person who is all over the news with her rendition of the alleged phone call where she allegedly heard the victims conversation with the murderer thru the telephone. her comments on her blog thoroughly discredit her as a reputable person.

        regarding my ignorance of messianic judaism (is that an actual religion?) has nothing to do w/her whatsoever, it was just a question i was hoping someone could answer for me. plus, i thought that in order to convert to judaism (to become a jew) one was required to follow judaism which does accpet jesus as the savior. therefore i can understand how one could be born jewish and then accept jesus (become messianic jew) and remain jewish, but how does a christian become jewish by accepting jesus? i just find it very confusing.

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2015, 11:43 am

        “So people have to explain their religious convictions to you now?”

        Yeah, “a4tech”, people who ask stuff like that are nasty! Listen to this guy:

        Do you view yourself a white person, or a Jewish person? Or something else? Why are you concealing a vital part of your character that is responsible for your opinion, biases and outlook on every major facet of life?” “a4tech”

        “Now Mooser, do you call yourself white or Jewish? You appear to be firmly in the former camp based upon your proclivity…” “A4tech”

        “Sure you can be a Jewish American, but to say that is your only core identity, your race and your ethnicity,” “a4tech”

        And on, on and on.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 1:36 pm

        also, this person “made up the word”… “Niggnerant” . which has no other meaning besides ignorant which begs the question why another word is needed. and i suppose we are not supposed to notice it begins with the n word (almost).

        why would the media use this person for a source? and this is from Nicholas Thalasinos in the comment section (August 30, 2014 at 6:19 pm):

        Wow – the amount of IGNORANCE in Africa is frightening!
        YES, there are constant news reports from corrupt Liberal so-called news media, racist groups (like the UN), Liberal Elite Academia, radical Cults (ISLAM, THE CULT OF RAPE AND ANTISEMITISM), and generally uneducated people’s (most of which are in SOUTH AFRICA, apparently) that the Jews have STOLEN their land from the indigenous Palestinians.

        Guess what – There is NO SUCH THING AS PALESTINIANS!

        It’s even beyond the fact that there are no ‘Palestinians’ – there was no one there, period. A friend of mine (who sadly passed away 20 years ago) was a US soldier stationed in Egypt after WWII – he told me the land know as Israel today was EMPTY until Truman started talking about a Jewish homeland – then Arabs flooded in from Jordan and proclaimed themselves ‘Natives’.

        ITS THE JEWS WHO ARE THE NATIVES!!!! They were DISPERSED by the ROMAN CONQUERERS across their empire. It was the ROMANS who NAMED the area Palestine after the Jews ancient enemies, The Philistines, just to MOCK them.

        There is NO MENTION OF PALESTINIANS IN THE BIBLE. There is NONE in Roman records. The IDIOTS arguing out there – respond with an Historical record of the Palestinian Royal family, coinage, archeological site – ANYTHING.

        There is more evidence of ATLANTIS than there is of Historical PALESTINIANS.

        The Arabs who FLOODED the area didn’t even refer to themselves as Palestinians – they were native Arabs. They KNOW this – this is all PROPAGANDA to MILK MONEY AND WEAPONS from the LIBERAL LEFT by TRICKING THEM into seeing them as the NATIVE AMERICANS – when THE ARABS ARE THE RACIST INVADERS.

        needless to say he would have been censored here. i wonder if he spoke like this around his co workers. probably not i would imagine. can you imagine having to work around a flaming racist like this?

      • Mooser
        December 4, 2015, 3:13 pm

        “this person made up the word”

        Would that were true. Heard it myself.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 3:51 pm

        Would that were true.

        yes, i quoted her. and she linked to the urban dictionary (that very link) in her boast. so one can assume that’s her “TLCBlackBarbie “.

      • Bandolero
        December 4, 2015, 4:06 pm

        Annie

        “can you imagine having to work around a flaming racist like this?”

        Well, Farooq did, for years. And that’s probably what happened: the devout Zionist spreading his “Islam is a violent death and rape cult message” on work, too, many colleagues more or less agreed, but the devout muslim Farooq got very angry – though he didn’t show it. Farooq and his devout muslim wife followed a kind of radical wahhabi brand of Islam like it is common in Saudi Arabia and, since it spread from Saudi Arabia there, too, also in Pakistan and they married in the most holy mosque of Mecca. Farooq was a law abiding citizen, his brother served in the US navy and he himself had a typical American hobby: “target practice” – likely including with an AR-15 assault rifle which is legal to buy in California.

        But some day he couldn’t bear the slurs of the devout Zionist anymore, and maybe also the nods or laughter of his collegues to that. His wife likely also read what kind of slurs the devout zionist spread on Facebook and elsewhere, and felt evenly upset. And then that turned into violence.

        The San Bernadino shooting looks to me in it’s causes quite similar to the violence that happened after US soldiers decided to burn holy Quran books in the garbage in Kabul some time ago:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Afghanistan_Quran_burning_protests

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 5:02 pm

        i really don’t know bandalero and can’t begin to imagine. it’s just so sad. but the things i have been reading in the msm lately, all the blatant racism surrounding this upcoming election campaign, it’s just disgusting. hearing these candidates talk about the i.d.’s, the profiling, to imagine this stuff is openly debated by the gop and we’re all subject to this stuff. it’s like the country is being dominated by this grotesque tea party stuff. i can’t imagine what it would be like to be arab american or muslim american right now. it’s so cruel i can’t even imagine. and the attack on mario woods. right in my own back yard, like a firing squad. like jerusalem – what have we come to?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 4, 2015, 8:16 pm

        oh wow look at this:

        seems like Thalasinos didn’t have a problem with people getting gunned down in america.

      • Bandolero
        December 4, 2015, 9:37 pm

        Annie

        There is not only the tea party radicalization, but the radicalization occurs on all sides, christian turn into rabid evangelists or white supremacists, jews turn into rabid zionists and Sunni muslims may turn into rabid wahhabis. That isn’t to say that this is not a problem of Shia muslims, as a short look into the Shia history, like Khomeini’s rule in Iran, or the Badr militia, aka Shia death squads, in Iraq show. When radical people from different factions bumo into each other, violence is a logical consequence. That violence happens on local stage, but also globally, think of Palestine, the Iraq invasion, bombing Libya or the international proxy war on Syria to weaken Iran and Shia. More wars and violence occur, and the cycle that war generates extremism and extremism generates wars gets more traction again.

        Radicalization of the population and of the institutions of a state is a typical by-product of war. The US is at war with whomever since god knows how long, and since GWB especially. Pakistan is more or less at war with India as long as it exists, and at war with Afghanistan since about four decades. And brutally treating other peoples leads usually some time later at brutally treating the own people. Saudi Arabia, of course, is brutalizing it’s own people even since before it was formed, and, thanks to many petrodollars, spreading it’s radical ideology worldwide.

        I’m not sure you heard of the Palestian poet Ashraf Fayadh. As even Reuters reported two weeks ago, a Saudi appeals court just convicted him to death for “cursing God, Islam’s Prophet Mohammad and Saudi Arabia, and the contents of a poetry book he had written years earlier.”

        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-rights-idUSKCN0T913X20151120

        Radicalized people, and that is the majority there, completely agree with such a punishment for the offense allegedly commited by Ashraf Fayadh. Of course, the heaviest charge there, as the wahhabi zealots see it, is the alleged cursing the prophet, because “Allah shows mercy.” So to me it’s absolutely no surprise, when people who are indoctrinated in such a way, meet someone like the radcial zionist who liked to engage in hatespeech on islam and all what’s sacred for muslims, that may lead to bloodshed. There are radicals on both sides, and on other sides as well.

        Pakistan was a gross recipient of Saudi petrodollars and ideology since the late 70s. The local brand of wahhabism is called there Deobandi, and these deobandi people have little differences with the wahhabi zealots. Stephen Schwartz put some light on the Deobandi, and has also an opinion piece on the San Bernadino shootings:

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-schwartz/americas-response-to-mass-shootings-is-always-insufficient_b_8716474.html

        Btw: thanks for outlining the Twitter account of the zionist zealot. This tweet of him I find bringing the whole story to the point. He tweeted:

        @LeastServant Nov 23
        Barack Obama trusts IRANIAN FASCISTS with NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY but doesn’t trust LAW ABIDING AMERICANS with LEGAL FIREARMS.

        Well, because of such radical positions of christian and zionist zealots, the law abiding American, who seems to have been a wahhabi muslim zealot, had no problem to legally buy the AR-15 assault rifle he used to kill him. And to what this killing will likely lead is just one thing: hatred, extremism and violence spreads further.

      • oldgeezer
        December 4, 2015, 10:50 pm

        @annie

        No one deserves to be murdered but there is a very high degree of karma in this killing.

      • Keith
        December 5, 2015, 1:05 am

        ANNIE- “…what have we come to?”

        Global neoliberalism equals global class war. The 1% view the 99% as the enemy regardless of where they live. The police have been converted into an occupying army. The 1% can always hire some of the 99% to suppress the rest of the 99%. Things are going to get worse before they get better, if they get better.

      • Kathleen
        December 5, 2015, 11:19 am

        At the second link:

        “Nicholas Thalasinos

        August 30, 2014 at 6:19 pm

        Wow – the amount of IGNORANCE in Africa is frightening!
        YES, there are constant news reports from corrupt Liberal so-called news media, racist groups (like the UN), Liberal Elite Academia, radical Cults (ISLAM, THE CULT OF RAPE AND ANTISEMITISM), and generally uneducated people’s (most of which are in SOUTH AFRICA, apparently) that the Jews have STOLEN their land from the indigenous Palestinians.

        Guess what – There is NO SUCH THING AS PALESTINIANS!

        It’s even beyond the fact that there are no ‘Palestinians’ – there was no one there, period. A friend of mine (who sadly passed away 20 years ago) was a US soldier stationed in Egypt after WWII – he told me the land know as Israel today was EMPTY until Truman started talking about a Jewish homeland – then Arabs flooded in from Jordan and proclaimed themselves ‘Natives’.

        ITS THE JEWS WHO ARE THE NATIVES!!!! They were DISPERSED by the ROMAN CONQUERERS across their empire. It was the ROMANS who NAMED the area Palestine after the Jews ancient enemies, The Philistines, just to MOCK them.

        There is NO MENTION OF PALESTINIANS IN THE BIBLE. There is NONE in Roman records. The IDIOTS arguing out there – respond with an Historical record of the Palestinian Royal family, coinage, archeological site – ANYTHING.

        There is more evidence of ATLANTIS than there is of Historical PALESTINIANS.

        The Arabs who FLOODED the area didn’t even refer to themselves as Palestinians – they were native Arabs. They KNOW this – this is all PROPAGANDA to MILK MONEY AND WEAPONS from the LIBERAL LEFT by TRICKING THEM into seeing them as the NATIVE AMERICANS – when THE ARABS ARE THE RACIST INVADERS.

        It was Yasser Arafat who created the FICTION of a ‘Palestinian People’ for the Propaganda value. He knew better – they ALL DO.

        “The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.” – King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981

        “Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate,” Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.

        Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared in 1980, “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”

        “You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.”
        Syrian President Hafez Assad to Yasser Arafat.

        Mark Twain – Samuel Clemens, the famous author of “Huckleberry Finn” and “Tom Sawyer”, took a tour of the Holy Land in 1867. This is how he described that land: “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”

        The land of Israel has BLOSSOMED in the care of the Israelites – the NATIVES WHO WERE GIVEN THE LAND BY GOD!”

      • Kathleen
        December 5, 2015, 11:33 am

        Was reading the definition of terrorism at the F.B.I.’s website after hearing MSNBC contributor Steve Rattner talk about a particular definition of terrorism on MSNBC’s Morning Joe this past week.

        FBI — Terrorism Definition

        https://www.fbi.gov/…/terrorism/terroris…

        Federal Bureau of Investigation

        “Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code

        18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines “international terrorism” and “domestic terrorism” for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled “Terrorism”:

        “International terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:
        ◾Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
        ◾Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
        ◾Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*

        “Domestic terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:
        ◾Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
        ◾Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
        ◾Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

        18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term “federal crime of terrorism” as an offense that:
        ◾Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
        ◾Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).

        * FISA defines “international terrorism” in a nearly identical way, replacing “primarily” outside the U.S. with “totally” outside the U.S. 50 U.S.C. § 1801(c).”

        Only problem for me is that the F.B.I. does not seem to apply these standards to other mass killings. Charleston, Colorado Springs etc. And the U.S. certainly does not apply these standards to our international military actions which many in those parts of the world (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Palestine) consider our invasions, military interventions (supplying arms to rebels in Syria), selling arms to Saudi Arabia used in Yemen, arms in Israel etc) as International terrorism.

        MSNBC showing Chris Jansing interviewing terrorist murderer in San Bernardino’s sister. Have we seen her do the same with the sibling, family of murderer of the three at the Planned Parenthood domestic terrorist murder?

        If they are going to apply their standards to the terrorist murder in San Bernardino…apply them to the murderer in Colorado.

        To the domestic terrorist murderer of 9 in Charleston.

  14. Elliot
    December 4, 2015, 5:09 am

    Unfortunately, Josh Block’s effusions work for many people because of the insidious way American (Jews) re-frame the I/P conflict as a religious one. The Israel crowd denies the ethnic conflict in I/P and make it instead about Jews and “Muslims”. Palestinian Christians are “Muslim”; Arab Jews are “Jews”. So, a U.S. born Muslim with Pakistani roots is as good as a Palestinian.

  15. yonah fredman
    December 4, 2015, 6:48 am

    It is irresponsible for a public figure to put getting ahead of the news cycle as his top priority rather than waiting for the facts to emerge. In the age of twitter, unfortunately, everyone has a megaphone.

    Not every Muslim nut is an Islamist nut. The husband and wife aspect of this attack makes it very very very unusual. Workplace killing this is not. A husband and wife workplace killing? Name one. You can’t. (A husband and wife leave their 6 month old child with a friend? A workplace killing?) This is no workplace killing. 5 to 1 I’m betting this is Islamist. But that is 36 or more hours after the event with many facts emerging. So Josh Block was irresponsible. but I’m betting that he was right.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      December 4, 2015, 9:32 am

      ” A husband and wife workplace killing? Name one. You can’t.”

      How many husband and wife Islamist killings can you name? I can’t think of a single one off the top of my head.

    • Mooser
      December 4, 2015, 12:01 pm

      “So Josh Block was irresponsible. but I’m betting that he was right.”

      Exactly, “Yonah” Sure, it’s mere speculation.
      But in circumstances such as this “it would be irresponsible not to speculate”!!

      “Not every Muslim nut is an Islamist nut”

      BTW, “Yonah” you do understand that the way you (and your herd of ilk) talk about , oh, Muslims, Christians, who-ever, is what determines the limits (to a certain extent) of what commenters can say about Jews? Okay, clever guy?

      • yonah fredman
        December 5, 2015, 1:01 am

        A guy and his wife leave their 6 month old kid with his mom and then go and shoot 14 people. He is a nut. She is a nut.

        Yes, less than a month after paris the muslim identity of these people was quite relevant as soon as that fact was known and now that the fbi asserts that the wife asserted her allegiance to isis on facebook, this is clearly an islamist attack.

        this will increase hatred of muslims in this country. and stupid comments from the likes of mooser and talknic will not stop it and my comments will not speed up that hatred of muslims.

        it would be ideal if the defeat of isis could be accompanied by a two state peace between Palestine and Israel, but that’s not going to happen. First Isis will be defeated in Syria. Then Isis will be defeated in Iraq. The first step in Syria is quite clear, although Assad will not agree to leave power that easily. The second step in Iraq looks more difficult.

      • Mooser
        December 5, 2015, 1:18 pm

        “First Isis will be defeated in Syria. Then Isis will be defeated in Iraq. The first step in Syria is quite clear, although Assad will not agree to leave power that easily. The second step in Iraq looks more difficult.”

        Western Civilization is saved! The Chicken-soup Hawks are on the march!

    • talknic
      December 4, 2015, 3:15 pm

      yonah fredman “It is irresponsible for a public figure to put getting ahead of the news cycle as his top priority rather than waiting for the facts to emerge.”

      let’s see how your conversation unfolds

      “Workplace killing this is not. This is no workplace killing. 5 to 1 I’m betting this is Islamist.”

      Isn’t it irresponsible to be getting ahead of the news cycle as a priority rather than waiting for the facts to emerge?

      Maybe it was because of a ghastly Islamophobe constantly goading and pushing a Muslim co-worker to the limit for months on end.

  16. Boo
    December 4, 2015, 10:32 am

    Fools rush in where the FBI fears to tread.

  17. just
    December 5, 2015, 11:24 am

    “San Bernardino shooting victim ‘had argued with killer about Islam’

    Nicholas Thalasinos was a colleague of gunman Syed Farook, and wrote fiery posts online denouncing Muslims

    Friends and family have described Nicholas Thalasinos, one of the 14 people slaughtered in San Bernardino, as a devoted father, husband and colleague, a dedicated health inspector, colourful dresser and outspoken conservative.

    But as detectives investigate Wednesday’s rampage, seeking clues about the killers’ motives, his widow, Jennifer, says she believes he was also a martyr. …

    … Thalasinos often posted impassioned comments on a range of topics, including politics and religion. He criticised everyone from Barack Obama to “Iranian fascists”, lamented the lack of biblical teachings in schools and declared global warming a farce. Friends and relatives said that away from his computer Thalasinos was warm and generous. San Bernardino Valley College student Jaclynn Moore, a San Bernardino Valley College student who lives next door to his house in Colton, expressed disbelief when she learned of his death on Friday.

    “This hits too close to home,” Moore, 34, said. She described Thalasinos as a sweet and friendly gentleman who wore colourful outfits – bright red or purple shirts, a pair of suspenders and a black hat. She nicknamed him Superman because he would heave heavy boxes of bottled water into her house, an appreciated gesture because she has a lung condition. “It’s just devastating that I connect with somebody and got to know somebody and then this happens,” she said. …”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/05/san-bernardino-victim-had-argued-with-shooter-about-islam

    uh- huh, sweetness and light and “Superman”, too.

    • yonah fredman
      December 5, 2015, 12:16 pm

      The personality of this victim is beguiling or upsetting or infuriating. But it adds up to this. Man comes home from work: I’m having a tough time with my coworker. Wife: Let’s drop the baby off at your mother’s and kill everyone at your work place.

      • Mooser
        December 5, 2015, 5:44 pm

        “But it adds up to this.”

        What it adds up to “Yonah” is that now I get to imagine the last conversations at this household one Saturday morning?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 5, 2015, 6:56 pm

        it adds up to this. Man comes home from work: I’m having a tough time with my coworker. Wife: Let’s drop the baby off at your mother’s and kill everyone at your work place.

        i doubt it. you’re eliminating the millionplus arabs we’ve killed over the last decade. i sincerely doubt he got radicalized by one man at work one day. nice try tho.

      • yonah fredman
        December 6, 2015, 12:42 pm

        annie robbins- those who have been obsessing about the identity and views of one of the murderer’s coworkers have seemed to be emphasizing the coworker aspect of this heinous mass murder. you instead wish to emphasize the political content of this mass murder.

        (Someone might think that you are justifying the mass murder, but I see that you are only putting it in the proper context.)

      • Annie Robbins
        December 6, 2015, 1:15 pm

        Someone might think that you are justifying the mass murder

        only a deranged person! seriously yonah. and who knows what a “proper” context is? as i am sure i have stated here in thread of the past, way before this awful heinous incident, i do feel the US is responsible for the rise in terrorism in the world. the fact the vast majority of the terrorism has not come back to haunt (and kill) us here in the US is a blessing. but we can’t be bombing arabs and muslims (including drone attacks and our funding of israel, our so called “moderate rebels” and our wars in afghanistan and iraq and the list goes on and on) and creating mayhem in the ME and think we can live free and safe of all repercussions — this seems like common sense. i do considered the US responsible for the rise in terrorism and that would include any and all that comes back to bite us here.

        i have no idea, specifically, what caused the couple to walk into his workplace to carry out this attack, but it would be foolish to divorce it from the political climate imposed on our society (by an extremely well funded (MILLIONS!) propaganda hate campaign) . the demonization of arabs and muslims — the exact kind demonstrated by one of the victims of the crime, an islamophobe (who also shows not an ounce of sympathy for the murders at planned parenthood “liberals”) — is a danger to our society. given the hate speech of popular characters like trump, considering racists policies that are part of an american legacy of racism (the internment of ethnic groups), the pervasiveness of this kind of mentality in our society is more dangerous than one mass murder. that’s the context i see. it is not a “justification”.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 6, 2015, 1:34 pm

        those who have been obsessing about the identity and views of one of the murderer’s coworkers have seemed to be emphasizing the coworker aspect of this heinous mass murder.

        just to put your crap in perspective yonah, it wasn’t me who came into this thread and dropped this link (the media has been humping til kingdom come) and benignly wrote ““Here’s an interesting story about an argument with the messianic coworker over Islam and Israel”

        first of all the statement is a lie since israel was not mentioned in any of their so called “arguments” as claimed by the attention grabbing wanna be celebrity. second, wrt “emphasizing” if one emphasizes one particular victim the he becomes fair game for discussion. it just so happens he has a filthy racist online persona. that’s not my fault. hasbrats should try not dropping little islam/israel turds into the thread for reality will come back to bite.

      • just
        December 6, 2015, 2:04 pm

        Thank you for your searing comments, Annie.

        A breath of fresh air.

  18. Theo
    December 5, 2015, 12:46 pm

    I want to thank all those who spend a lot of times and research to bring the truth to the MW crowd, I could never find all that information even if I tried hard.

  19. just
    December 5, 2015, 4:12 pm

    “Liberty University president urges: ‘End those Muslims’ via concealed gun carry

    The president of Liberty University urged students at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass shooting in San Bernardino, California.

    “Let’s teach them a lesson if they ever show up here,” President Jerry Falwell Jr told students at the weekly convocation held on Friday.

    The call-to-arms was met with rousing applause from students, but some said Falwell went too far when he appeared to be referring specifically to Muslims, the News & Advance reported.

    “I’ve always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in,” Falwell said. …”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/05/liberty-university-president-san-bernardino-shooting-concealed-weapons-carry-muslims

  20. Mayhem
    December 5, 2015, 5:23 pm

    Paraphrase the title of this woeful piece “Top Israel advocate uses San Bernardino killings to attack Islam” which becomes “Mondoweiss apologists excuse Islamic terrorism and always find a way to implicate Israel”.
    Not a word of sympathy for yet more victims of Islamic terror with plenty more to come if we pursue the deluded path of appeasement that MWers advocate.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 5, 2015, 7:33 pm

      mayhem, you have not expressed one word of sympathy for the victims of the latest attacks. just thought i’d mention. you’re just using them as a battering ram to attack your ideological foes.

      cheap shot.

      • DaBakr
        December 5, 2015, 11:03 pm

        Cheap but correct. I’ll now read the almost certain to be following comments displaying indignity, obtuseness, and defensiveness.

        It is also nearly impossible to feel actual sorrow -other then in a general sense-for the many victims of terror in the world -even in just the past few months. There are too many from too many disparate cultures and identities to mourn each one. How can one victim of senseless terror be mourned any more then another in the left-wing belief moral relativism.

    • talknic
      December 5, 2015, 8:17 pm

      @ Mayhem ” “Mondoweiss apologists excuse Islamic terrorism “

      Example please

      “and always find a way to implicate Israel”

      Uh? In 1897 MW decided to colonize Palestine? WOW! Have you told the Zionist Federation?

      • talknic
        December 7, 2015, 4:05 am

        @ Mayhem “Mondoweiss apologists excuse Islamic terrorism “

        Example please

    • eljay
      December 7, 2015, 10:30 am

      || Mayhem: Not a word of sympathy for yet more victims of Islamic terror … ||

      Unlike you and your fellow hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists, I condemn all forms of terrorism – Islamic, Jewish, Christian, etc. – and I expect all terrorists to be tried and held accountable for their crimes.

  21. mcohen.
    December 7, 2015, 3:44 am

    only a shift in thinking between sunni muslims and the west can stop the killing on both sides.there is another way and it can be reached but the principles of that agreement need to thought through.the path must be based on sufism and the west,s acceptance that the path to belief in G-d can differ with each relegion.

    i wish i understood more to expound on my personal view that this is where the answer lies to finding peace.i believe that i am close to understanding the principles required.

    what happened in san bernardino was a terrible tragedy and is a sign that change is needed now

    • diasp0ra
      December 7, 2015, 10:27 am

      @Mcohen

      Who are these “Sunni” Muslims? If you can bring me someone who can speak for them, then please do. But of course, nobody can, because there are dozens of sects and interpretations of Sunni Islam.

      “killing on both sides” puts an equal emphasis on killing on both sides. There is no such equality, the very fact that we’re talking about this regarding this shooting, but didn’t talk about a “Christian” dialogue with the “West” during the Planned parenthood shooting last week speaks volumes about how even people with the best intentions are lead astray by the dominant discourse.

      The problems between “the Muslims world” and the “west” are not something that can be solved through dialogue or “sufism”, what does Sufism even mean here? There are dozens of approaches to sufism, some of them are even militant that put emphasis on war. Furthermore, this unequally distributes the historic burden of blame.

      The problems here are ones of domination and subordination, histories of imperialism and neocolonialism that have not healed, and are still in play. The problem never was one of communication, but of injustices still being thrust upon colonized peoples.

      On a related note, in the 1970s there were around 60-70 terrorist attacks in the USA, most of which were carried out by South American political parties and secessionist forces. We can’t say that a dialogue was needed and that South Americans needed to examine their culture. No, you say that the US needed to get its butt out of South America and stop propping up dictators and funding its own terrorists to carry out its agenda.

      This is similar to what is happening in the Middle East today.

  22. mcohen.
    December 7, 2015, 4:48 pm

    Diaspora

    The begining of the path is the Hebrew letter YUD,that’s what I believe

    It is in all Semitic languages.in Arabic YA

    I hope to answer all your questions

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