Clinton to Palestine: Drop dead

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Have you had an espresso yet today? Have you had a drink? Make that a double! Brace yourself for the news over the weekend from the Democratic Platform Committee. The platform this year will be even worse than previous platforms on Palestine. That’s how things look, despite the insurgent anti-Benjamin-Netanyahu campaign of Bernie Sanders: there is no occupation, and no settlements either. Jerusalem forever, and death to BDS. The party belongs to Hillary Clinton. This is the Jerusalem Post’s report:

The Democratic Party plans to declare in its platform opposition to the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement [BDS], a top priority for the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

In a detailed briefing on the platform’s language exclusive to the Post, the Democrats would declare that Palestinians “should be free to govern themselves in their own viable state, in peace and in dignity.”…

Those on the committee appointed by Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont have been lobbying for reference to Israel’s “occupation” and its “settlement activity” in the West Bank. Neither term ultimately made it into the language, although future negotiations are possible in Orlando and in Philadelphia, where the convention will be held later in July.

Remember that Hillary Clinton has pledged two or three times now, last year in a letter to Haim Saban, one of her biggest donors, and in a slavish performance channeling Benjamin Netanyahu at the Israel lobby group AIPAC this spring, and at the Saban Forum last December too, to fight BDS tooth and nail. This is evidently essential work to raising money on the Dem side and also recruiting neoconservative establishment support.

Oh and the plank that so divided the convention in 2012 leading to uproar on the floor, and a smashdown from President Obama:

Utilizing similar language from its 2008 and 2012 platforms, the party once again recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and states that, while the city should remain undivided, its final status should be left to direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

Common Dreams says the platform as drafted is a broad betrayal of progressives. Though it will be revisited by the committee next month in Orlando and then again at the convention in Philadelphia, it is conservative on climate change, fracking and trade.

During a 9-hour meeting in St. Louis, Missouri on Friday, members of the DNC’s platform drafting committee voted down a number of measures proposed by Bernie Sanders surrogates that would have come out against the contentious Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), fracking, and the Israeli occupation of Palestine. At the same time, proposals to support a carbon tax, Single Payer healthcare, and a $15 minimum wage tied to inflation were also disregarded….

Common Dreams cites the AP report of the meeting, in which the final discussion “centered on the Israel-Palestinian conflict.”

“The committee defeated an amendment by Sanders supporter James Zogby that would have called for providing Palestinians with ‘an end to occupation and illegal settlements’ and urged an international effort to rebuild Gaza,” AP reports, measures which Zogby said Sanders helped craft.

Instead, AP reports, the adopted draft “advocates working toward a ‘two-state solution of the Israel-Palestinian conflict’ that guarantees Israel’s security with recognized borders ‘and provides the Palestinians with independence, sovereignty, and dignity.'”

Citing these “moral failures” of the platform draft, [Sanders surrogate Cornel] West abstained during the final vote to send the document to review by the full Platform Committee next month in Orlando, Florida.

So Bernie Sanders was a flash in the pan. And what will his legions of young supporters, many of whom are very progressive on Palestine, and were actually shocked by the AIPAC speech, by its grim grasping algorithm of policy/donations, have to say about this in Philadelphia? It appears the Clinton knows she can get away with this, and is prepared to live with some muffled stifled drowned cries at the convention as she sails toward the general.

Thanks to Adam Horowitz.

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  1. Marnie
    June 27, 2016, 11:52 am

    I’m not surprised at all. The us govt is bought and paid for and will forever be the bitch of the zionist enterprise. I believe that Bernie’s true purpose wasn’t to be president, but to be a distraction. He had to have known he wouldn’t win. He went from being the guy who told someone in an audience in his home state to “Shut up!”, to being the love connection for disaffected youth and Jews, young and old, who are sick of the crimes being comitted in their name by the zionist enterprise, and the rich taking all the cream off the top, leaving the 99% with zilch. In the end, they’ve been played on and the Palestinians are getting an all american F&#@ Y*@ from its next president.

    • hophmi
      June 28, 2016, 11:13 am

      “The us govt is bought and paid for and will forever be the bitch of the zionist enterprise.”

      The Zionist enterprise controls everything right? #noeuphemismshere

      “In the end, they’ve been played on and the Palestinians are getting an all american F&#@ Y*@ from its next president.”

      Maybe try not lying to yourselves about the amount of support your cause has and you won’t be so upset when nothing happens.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 28, 2016, 3:06 pm

        try not lying to yourselves about the amount of support your cause has

        would that be like villaraigosa slamming down the gavel to the sound of loud boos when the neah’s on the jerusalem vote were clearly louder. Maybe try not lying to yourself, don’t get so upset, take a chill pill hops. israel is recognized internationally as one of the most despised countries on the planet, not a lot you can do about that while supporting a nasty lil apartheid occupying state.

      • K Renner
        June 29, 2016, 2:43 am

        @hasbara runt:

        You whine:

        “The Zionist enterprise controls everything right? #noeuphemismshere”

        It’s abundantly clear that Jews, and pro-Israel Jews in particular, do have an abnormal degree of influence in American politics. It’s obvious, there’s no point trying to deny that.

        The fact that you hasbarats hysterically shriek “anti-Semitism!” (as you do with virtually everything else, lol) whenever anyone makes even the slightest noise about the issue– that just once again shows the problem as what it is.

        “Maybe try not lying to yourselves about the amount of support your cause has and you won’t be so upset when nothing happens.”

        Your main allies are fanatically Palestinian-hating, frothing at the mouth “diaspora” Jews, and people who want to nuke Tehran or outright call for the destruction of the non-Jews of the Middle East, or ridiculous wingnut “Christian” Zionists who want all Jews who don’t convert to Evangelical Protestantism at the Second Coming to burn forever in lakes of fire.

        Great bunch of people you’ve got, there.

        Outside of America, popular opinion of Israel is consistently a lot more negative then it is positive. Most people aren’t into geopolitics but it’s pretty clear that the facts in the matter of Israel-Palestine-Lebanon are damning towards Israel and in favour of the Palestinian and Lebanese peoples.

        And when people who otherwise don’t do geopolitics are presented with the facts….

        Well, all I can say is that there’s one more person with pro-Palestinian sentiments after that.

        Nice spoiling attempt, though. Hasbara fail.

      • DaBakr
        June 29, 2016, 10:58 am

        @there was nothing that was “clearly” anything in that clip. The decibels sounded equal afaict. I also heard no “gavel” bang so not sure who’s hearing is problematic. That calls were taken thrice could be interpreted in any number of ways depending on ones bias. The only thing ‘clear’ is Annie’s bias is towards some jewish political conspiracy. big surprise. that she also threw in her little ‘israel-is-a-shitty-state’ a la little french fm style AND in peewee Herman style tells you there is ‘ nothin you can do’ about being so hated worldwide. Well, we never could imagine now could we? Simply shocking.

        @krr

        . Define “abnormal” . Does the influence big oil, big pharma, the insurance lobby, the big agro lobby excert “abnormal” influence over your Congress? How about the NRA or the anti abortion groups? Think they excert any influence over Congress? And if these groups do excert such influence does it obsess you the way the jewish nation so clearly does.

        . So, tell us again what’s “abundantly clear” because the only thing that’s clear now is the abundant garbage that eliminates from your defective brain cells. That’s clear.

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2016, 11:35 am

        “Maybe try not lying to yourself, don’t get so upset, take a chill pill hops.”

        I know you all love that video, but an afternoon convention crowd of die-hard party activists simply does not represent the majority of the party. As you can plainly see, the vast majority of the hall is empty. Honesty would require that you present the prime time videos from the same day, when the hall was packed, where Israel was mentioned repeatedly, and no one booed.

    • Cazador
      June 28, 2016, 9:46 pm

      If I were Jewish I would disconnect myself from anything and everything zionist and leave Israel. When it will hit the fan, as it might, there will be a lot of pacifist and just Jews who will be stuck in a dire situation that they never agreed to and therefore did not cause.

      • Fred Schlomka
        June 29, 2016, 12:08 pm

        It’s one thing to disavow an ideology, and quite another to leave one’s home. I have never been a Zionist, or a nationalist of any stripe – but Israel/Palestine has been my family’s home since the late Ottoman Era. I should no more want to leave than most of my Palestinian friends. It’s incumbent on us to remain in dissent of the current regime, and remain in our homes.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 29, 2016, 12:45 pm

        fred, is this you? http://www.toursinenglish.com/2006/01/fred-schlomka-profile.html

        because if so it says you were born and raised somewhere else and also lived for 20 years in the US. so you know what it’s like to leave ones home. and when you say you “should no more want to leave than most of my Palestinian friends” — do you really think you can speak for them or weigh their committment or what they have endured to remain there? i think there’s a difference between the daily struggles living under occupation vs those who resist from within in solidarity. and while you may very much might not want to ever leave, i’m just not so sure you can make an equivalence between yourself and a palestinian, you having immigrated to israel relatively recently. i think many israeli jews have chosen the path cazador mentioned, i’ve met a few of them.

      • Mooser
        June 29, 2016, 3:50 pm

        “It’s incumbent on us to remain in dissent of the current regime, and remain in our homes.”

        Absolutely, “Fred”! Why, it’s even more important if those “homes” are in illegal settlements or Jerusalem! All vacating those areas would do is make the government of Israel look better than it really is!

      • Mooser
        June 29, 2016, 3:54 pm

        “do you really think you can speak for them”

        If he thinks there is an opportunity.
        It must be there somewhere.

      • Marnie
        June 30, 2016, 12:44 am

        FS – Your post is a little disingenuous, like previous ones and the phrase “carpetbagger and scalawags” comes to mind after reading them.

        car·pet·bag·ger
        /ˈkärpətˌbaɡər/

        noun
        derogatory

        a political candidate who seeks election in an area where they have no local connections.

        •historical
        (in the US) a person from the northern states who went to the South after the Civil War to profit from the Reconstruction.

        •a person perceived as an unscrupulous opportunist.
        “the organization is rife with carpetbaggers”

    • rosross
      June 28, 2016, 10:09 pm

      So nothing has changed, except the fact that more Americans know they bankroll the corrupt Zionist State of Israel and pay for its aggression and injustices with their quality of life.

      Clinton as an Israeli/Zionist/Jewish stooge will simply serve to make more Americans resist their use as a tool of Israeli agendas.

      Then again, what do the insane Zionists want? Disaffected Jews who can become colonisers in occupied Palestine.

    • jaspeace2day
      June 29, 2016, 4:04 pm

      Yep, saw that town meeting videos and couldn’t believe why anybody wouldn’t see the truth behind Bernie. I’m all in for Jill Stein! http://www.jill2016.com/plan

  2. a blah chick
    June 27, 2016, 12:49 pm

    The first report I heard stated that the platform would be devoted to Israel’s “security” while acknowledging Palestinian “aspirations.”

    Personally I feel like aspiring all over Hillary Clinton right now.

    • jd65
      June 27, 2016, 2:55 pm

      @ a blah chick: “The first report I heard stated that the platform would be devoted to Israel’s “security” while acknowledging Palestinian “aspirations.”

      Personally I feel like aspiring all over Hillary Clinton right now.”

      LMFAO :)

    • Sibiriak
      June 27, 2016, 7:46 pm

      Aspire on this:

      In a move that is virtually unprecedented in US politics, top Donald Trump adviser on Israel David M. Friedman gave an interview to Israel’s Channel 2 urging the nation not to accept any military aid deal from President Obama, and rather to wait until after the election.

      Friedman argued that Trump would “in all likelihood” increase Israel’s military aid “dramatically.”

      http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/24/trump-adviser-urges-israel-to-wait-on-us-military-aid-deal/

  3. ritzl
    June 27, 2016, 1:29 pm

    But Sanders is going to vote for her. (Probably)

    #BernieColdTurkey (?)

  4. sulai
    June 27, 2016, 1:31 pm

    They are taking things to the next level on all fronts, no longer mention the words occupations and settlements means that’s it on to full legitimization. I’m wondering why the following is not worthy of attention on Mondoweiss?

    There you have it, clear as day.

    “In her presentation, Goldstein acknowledged that efforts to promote Israel as a democracy with “great beaches” had failed to stem the support for Palestinian rights, so “we have to focus on the offense, on Islamists and how they violate the basic civil rights that liberals hold very, very dear.”

    Efforts to exploit and promote Islamophobiaas a way to build support for Israel are not new, but the New York meeting heralded a renewed push in that direction.

    Following the advice of pro-Israel pollster Frank Luntz to appropriate leftist and human rights language, Goldstein said the anti-Muslim message would appeal to the sensibilities of liberal and progressive college students.

    She argued that pro-Israel advocates had to speak about the BDS movement “in the terminology that Millennials will understand, which is the civil rights terminology.”

    “[Students] want to be against apartheid? Let’s give them what to be against,” she said, “Let’s give them [sic] to be against Islamist gender, race and religious apartheid that is occurring in every single Muslim-majority country on the planet.”

    As its contribution, Goldstein explained that her organization would be launching what she called “Islamist Apartheid Week” on campuses across the US, an apparent effort to counter Israeli Apartheid Week.

    And while Goldstein markets herself as a “human rights attorney,” she proudly touts her friendship with Geert Wilders, the anti-Muslim Dutch politician who has been fundedby a key player in the US Islamophobia industry.

    Wilders’ anti-Muslim agenda is so extreme it has even been condemned by the Anti-Defamation League, a major pro-Israel group.”

    “We need to raise the stakes for those who engage in this sort of behavior, let them know their nose is going to bleed,” Abrams said in reference to fellow students who had advocated for a boycott of Israeli institutions complicit in military occupation and violations of Palestinian rights.

    While speakers asserted several times that advocates should share positive messages about Israel and Zionism, Goldstein was frank that only repression of protest and BDS would shore up Israel’s eroding base of support.

    “The goal is to make the enemy pay,” Goldstein said, “and to send a message, a deterrent message, that similar actions such as those that they engage in will result in massive punishments.”

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-lawfare-group-plans-massive-punishments-activists

    Efforts to exploit and promote Islamophobiaas a way to build support for Israel are not new, but the New York meeting heralded a renewed push in that direction.

    Following the advice of pro-Israel pollster Frank Luntz to appropriate leftist and human rights language, Goldstein said the anti-Muslim message would appeal to the sensibilities of liberal and progressive college students.

    She argued that pro-Israel advocates had to speak about the BDS movement “in the terminology that Millennials will understand, which is the civil rights terminology.”

    “[Students] want to be against apartheid? Let’s give them what to be against,” she said, “Let’s give them [sic] to be against Islamist gender, race and religious apartheid that is occurring in every single Muslim-majority country on the planet.”

    As its contribution, Goldstein explained that her organization would be launching what she called “Islamist Apartheid Week” on campuses across the US, an apparent effort to counter Israeli Apartheid Week.

    And while Goldstein markets herself as a “human rights attorney,” she proudly touts her friendship with Geert Wilders, the anti-Muslim Dutch politician who has been fundedby a key player in the US Islamophobia industry.

    Wilders’ anti-Muslim agenda is so extreme it has even been condemned by the Anti-Defamation League, a major pro-Israel group.”

    “We need to raise the stakes for those who engage in this sort of behavior, let them know their nose is going to bleed,” Abrams said in reference to fellow students who had advocated for a boycott of Israeli institutions complicit in military occupation and violations of Palestinian rights.

    While speakers asserted several times that advocates should share positive messages about Israel and Zionism, Goldstein was frank that only repression of protest and BDS would shore up Israel’s eroding base of support.

    “The goal is to make the enemy pay,” Goldstein said, “and to send a message, a deterrent message, that similar actions such as those that they engage in will result in massive punishments.”

    • a blah chick
      June 27, 2016, 4:03 pm

      “The goal is to make the enemy pay,” Goldstein said, “and to send a message, a deterrent message, that similar actions such as those that they engage in will result in massive punishments.”

      Bwahahahahahahaha!

    • JWalters
      June 27, 2016, 6:41 pm

      This is like strategizing on how to lie about slavery using the “terminology” of freedom. They have enormous contempt for the people they expect to believe this crap. They probably think those people are sub-human, vastly inferior to themselves. Hillary is swimming in a cesspool of history.

      • sulai
        June 27, 2016, 8:28 pm

        That’s exactly what it is, contempt for Americans. I wonder how much debate is being had about the fact that they even have to explain to us to begin with. I’m sure they have a plan in play to eliminate that nuance eventually as well.

      • Cazador
        June 28, 2016, 10:13 pm

        Hillary is the «We came, We saw, he died» monster under whose guidance Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi was captured. Would she know ahead of the fact that he would be sodomized with a bayonet before being finished off?… SHE IS ALSO the Lady of Sarajevo, shot at by a sniper on the airport tarmac after she gracefully grossfully walked down the stairs. I was under the impression that snipers were very, very precise… Isn’t there an American journalist, a NBC anchor Brian Williams, who nearly sank to the bottom after his most famous lie was contradicted by military personnel after declaring more than once over many years that he had been in an attack by Iraqis in a US military helicopter. Well, by comparison, she’s very well protected at all level$ as she could illegally perpetrate an act called treason by transferring official secret State documents into her personal computer, and could get away with nearly anything reproachable. Democracy and elections in the US have become the example of a real fall down the cliff. The American Dream is a Nightmare.

      • Mr.T
        July 3, 2016, 9:58 am

        “If pinsker preached antigentilism, which he did, then I excuse him. ”

        Of course you do.

        “and anyone who preached antigentilism, i.e. as in- one of these goys is going to murder your asses, then he was preaching a course in life saving, in swimming, a mitzva, common sense.”

        So given the coming Zionist freight train about to hit the Palestinians in 1947 forward, would you also find excuse someone asserting antisemitism among the Palestinians in, say, 1900-1920, i.e., as in- one of these Jews is going to murder your asses (and steal your land and lock your descendants into an open air prison) also “a mitzva”??? Let me guess, you’ll find that there’s a difference….

    • dbroncos
      June 28, 2016, 3:02 am

      ““In her presentation, Goldstein acknowledged that efforts to promote Israel as a democracy with “great beaches” had failed to stem the support for Palestinian rights, so “we have to focus on the offense, on Islamists and how they violate the basic civil rights that liberals hold very, very dear.”

      Goldstien has an ally in Bernie Sanders. I watched an interview of Sanders on CSPAN last night and, after an emphatic and compelling defense of his domestic agenda, he stepped right into the dog pile with his summary of Islam and Muslims. When he was asked why there’s so much anti American sentiment in the Muslim world, he answered with his own version of “they hate us cuz we’re free” He explained that Muslim’s don’t like us because we believe in equity and that Muslims are especially agitated by our gender equity ideals. He further explained that this has something to do with the strange sexual proclivities that are practiced by Muslims. It was a bizarre and disapointing dispaly of ignorance and prejudice. Gee, I wonder if some of our dysfunctional American politics can be explained by the strange sexual proclivities of the American people? Maybe Sanders has an opinion on this.

      Below is the link to the interview. Sanders’ commentary on Muslims and Islam is at the end.

      http://www.c-span.org/video/?411569-1/bernie-sanders-discusses-presidential-campaign

  5. Peter Feld
    June 27, 2016, 1:50 pm

    How do we get removing the anti-BDS measure a floor vote? We need to break the Democratic party over this.

    • JWalters
      June 27, 2016, 6:43 pm

      A worthy cause.

    • hophmi
      June 28, 2016, 11:14 am

      LOL. Why would the Democratic Party do that? 2/3 of the country thinks BDS is antisemitic. Why would the Democratic Party want to endorse a position that a supermajority thinks is hate speech?

      • Annie Robbins
        June 28, 2016, 2:57 pm

        2/3 of the country thinks BDS is antisemitic.

        source? more wishful thinking presented as fact. the ol bandwagon effect (see hasbara handbook)

      • eljay
        June 28, 2016, 3:06 pm

        || hophmi: … 2/3 of the country thinks BDS is antisemitic. … ||

        Whether it’s by choice, deception or compulsion, it’s a shame that 2/3 of Americans believe that when it comes to I-P:
        – Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine = good;
        – justice, accountability and equality = bad.

      • K Renner
        June 29, 2016, 2:48 am

        @Hasbara runt:

        “2/3 of the country thinks BDS is antisemitic.”

        A shameless, stupid lie. Are you proud to be a shameless, stupid liar?

        “Why would the Democratic Party want to endorse a position that a supermajority thinks is hate speech? ”

        Yawn. Why would the Democratic nominee for the presidency hob-nob with Palestinian-hating Jews and cretinous freaks who would rather starve and bomb Iranians as opposed to talk to them on an equal footing?

        Speaking of legitimate hate speech: pro-Israel Jews in America and elsewhere are literally the only people I’ve heard of who think they have the “right” to call Palestinians “animals” in shrieking rants on public airliners, or to concoct putrid little narratives based on shameless lies and attempt to push them as fact.

        Only pro-Israel Jews. Perhaps it’s some insidious aspect of the “Jews are a special people” notion so many of them are brought up with?

      • MHughes976
        June 29, 2016, 7:35 am

        Hophmi may be thinking of a poll published in HaAretz for May 30th. The headline was that one third of Americans give some support to BDS, but 62% of Americsns and 50% of us British think BDS is anti-Semitic. The poll was subject to some riducule by David Rosenberg on June 6th, pointing out that there seemed to be some overlap between those who call themselves pro-Israel and those who call themselves pro-BDS. (I don’t find this as odd as he does.). Rosenberg scorns BDS but considers that right wing Israel is exaggerating the threat to justify its own noise and bombast.
        I would think that hophmi gilds this lily only a little. I don’t think that there’s a near supermajority with really strong, considered objections to BDS but I would think that there’s still a very widespread feeling that BDS is – at least – eccentric and suspect.

      • Keith
        June 29, 2016, 10:42 am

        MHUGHES976- “…but 62% of Americsns and 50% of us British think BDS is anti-Semitic.”

        Quite possibly true and not all that surprising considering Jewish Zionist influence on the doctrinal system in general and the media in particular. Below is a quote and a link to a truly vile op-ed from the Seattle Times by members of the Jewish Federation of Seattle which is incredibly dishonest and reeks of anti-Gentilism. The Times published one tepid letter to the editor response which, under the circumstances, could be interpreted as de facto mild praise due to faint damn. My letter to the editor never saw daylight, as was to be expected. Propaganda works.

        “Both anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are fueled by irrational hatred of the Jewish people.” (Jewish Federation of Seattle op-ed, Seattle Times 6/26/16) http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/recognize-and-speak-out-against-anti-semitism/

      • DaBakr
        June 29, 2016, 11:06 am

        @kr

        To reach the level of ignorance you spout off you must truely have never read any news source or media outlet from the middle East wether translated or in English. You can find numerous references to arabs calling jews’dog’s , sons of dogs, apes and sons of apes. You can find worse as well. But then you probably have a vast knowledge of Israel, jews, and the history of the I/p conflict to rival the really big brained thinkers here on mw

      • Annie Robbins
        June 29, 2016, 12:11 pm

        mhughes, that survey was commissioned by the world jewish congress ahead of an anti boycott conference hosted by danny danon and wjc at the UN (danon is israel’s ambassador to UN)

        The conference is a partnership between Israel’s Mission to the UN, the World Jewish Congress, Keren HaYesod, the American Center for Law and Justice, the Anti-Defamation League, the Zionist Organization of America, Israel Bonds, StandWithUs, B’nai B’rith International, Hillel, CAMERA as well as other organizations.

        anyway, it was conducted, according to the source doc — by ipsos israel in Ramat Gan via an online survey:
        >> http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=15634

        and it sounds like push polling to me:

        “The movement to boycott Israel is a modern form of antisemitism because it seeks to harm the national homeland of the Jewish people.”. Do you agree or disagree with that claim?”

        plus, explore the site a little, i recommend their “loyalty researchhttp://www.ipsos.com/loyalty/

        they aim to satisfy their customers — including branding and marketing. and how random is the online survey? who gains access to links and how? they do not even pretend to be non advocacy (vs pew’s claim). it states at the top

        Statistical margins of error are not applicable to online polls. All sample surveys and polls may be subject to other sources of error, including, but not limited to coverage error and measurement error.

        wjc was hosting a high profile anti boycott conference at the UN, commissioned a poll — likely for the conference to be accompanied by alarming headlines — and that’s what they got. but the chance 2/3 of americans have even heard of bds is not very likely, therefore it’s unlikely 2/3 of americans find bds to be anti semitic (hophmi’s claim).

      • Mooser
        June 29, 2016, 3:45 pm

        “You can find numerous references to arabs calling jews’dog’s , sons of dogs, apes and sons of apes.”

        And you should hear the way they talk to each other! That’s when they really let loose!

        Of course, every “Jew’s dog” is the son of a dog, there’s no denying that. You’re barking up the wrong tree, there.
        And I am not going to argue with you about Darwin. We are all in some measure “the son’s of apes”.

      • hophmi
        June 29, 2016, 5:03 pm

        “source?”

        It’s the same poll. 62% of those asked agreed the statement that “The movement to boycott Israel is a modern form of antisemitism because it seeks to harm the national homeland of the Jewish people.”

        http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=15634

        33% agree with statement “Boycotting Israel is justified.” 24% say that they’d support actions that lead to boycotting Israel.

        81% of those polled define themselves as pro-Israel and 19% define themselves as anti-Israel.

        So I have no idea why the Democratic Party would endorse something that more than 3/4 of the country opposes in service of a cause than more than 4/5 of the country opposes, and slightly under 2/3 finds to amount to hate.

      • DaBakr
        June 29, 2016, 7:07 pm

        @me

        I’d like to see what would happen if you went to an Arab Muslim country and said that everyone in some way is descended from apes. It may be true but there are still cultures that won’t tolerate talk like that if it’s against a Muslim. Now if you said it about some Jew, you’d be mostly fine. I wonder why christians don’t usually use derogatory animal references to insult their cousin/co-religionists

      • MHughes976
        June 30, 2016, 8:47 am

        Annie’s points may well lead us to think that the Ipsos poll in question should be treated with caution, but Ipsos is a reasonably respected organisation and I would still draw the conclusion that the likes of us are still far from the mainstream, no doubt partly because of the propaganda mentioned by Keith. We are still a minority within Western public opinion and have nearly no representation in the political class. We face very well funded opponents with a well prepared and still effective barrage of insults constantly flying. We have no advantage except being right. However, it is our side that in spite of everything has made progress over the last decade.

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2016, 11:42 am

        “Quite possibly true and not all that surprising considering Jewish Zionist influence on the doctrinal system in general and the media in particular.”

        Typical antisemitic response from Keith. If it comes out his way, rest assured he’ll celebrate the outcome. If it doesn’t, he blames the Jews.

        Then he cites an article about antisemitism in a Seattle newspaper and calls it “anti-gentile,” which is his term for any article that discusses antisemitism in historical perspective.

      • Keith
        June 30, 2016, 2:19 pm

        HOPHMI- “Typical antisemitic response from Keith.”

        Typical anti-Gentile trope from Hophmi.

        HOPHMI- “Then he cites an article about antisemitism in a Seattle newspaper and calls it “anti-gentile,” which is his term for any article that discusses antisemitism in historical perspective.”

        Did you read the op-ed that I linked? You are actually going to defend the historicity of that Zionist boilerplate? Another quote from that shameful screed so everyone will be aware of what you are defending:

        “For two millennia, anti-Semitism forced Jews from their homeland, compelled them to practice their faith in secret, and was the root of the worst genocide the world has ever seen. Jews have faced ongoing hatred in Europe and Arab lands, suffering murder, rape, slavery and expulsions, with only intermittent times of peace and safety.” (Jewish Federation of Seattle op-ed, Seattle Times 6/26/16) http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/recognize-and-speak-out-against-anti-semitism/

        You are going to hang your hat on this? Claims that anti-Zionism and BDS are fueled by ” irrational hatred of the Jewish people.” and that this represents “…an eternal campaign against the Jewish people.”? Well, you will be pleased to know that in the Seattle Times letters to the editor today, an official of the ADL wrote in to support this scurrilous op-ed, claiming that:

        “As correctly pointed out in “Recognize and speak out against anti-Semitism” [Opinion, June 26], the “boycott, divestment, sanctions movement” (BDS) is, at its core, anti-Semitic.

        Many intelligent, passionate supporters of Palestinian rights will balk at this assessment. They have been persuaded that BDS is the best way to effect positive change in the Middle East. Unfortunately, they are unaware, or choose to ignore, that the founding goals of BDS are firmly rooted in hatred of Jewish people. BDS employs inflammatory language and imagery to equate all Jews everywhere with Israeli government policy, and Israeli government policy with Nazism.” (Hilary Bernstein, Pacific Northwest Regional director, Anti-Defamation League) http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/israel-boycott-divestment-sanctions-movement-is-anti-semitic/

        I wrote a response to this garbage which is unlikely to be published. It is a demonstration of power that these Jewish organizations are able to publicize these propagandistic misrepresentations of reality as part of the current anti-BDS campaign orchestrated by Israel and American Zionists. One of the perks of power is to be able to lie with impunity.

      • hophmi
        June 30, 2016, 2:29 pm

        You appear to feel that because the writer mentioned the length, location, and nature of the antisemitism that Jews experienced, the writer is “anti-gentile.”

        Whatever.

      • Keith
        June 30, 2016, 5:59 pm

        HOPHMI- “You appear to feel that because the writer mentioned the length, location, and nature of the antisemitism that Jews experienced, the writer is “anti-gentile.”

        No, it is anti-Gentile because it factually misrepresents actual Jewish history and Jew/Gentile relations claiming an ongoing irrational hatred of Jews among Gentiles. How is that not anti-Gentile? Jews were not forced out of Israel en masse and the Jews of Europe were better off than the overwhelming majority of Gentiles who were peasants. And I have yet to see any evidence from a reliable source (not you) that prior to Nazi Germany Jews were persecuted more than other groups, or were in more danger than other groups. Europe was a violent place for much of its history. During the Thirty Years War, about one-third of Prussia was killed. The European nation states were forged in blood, wars among the various groups common. As a group, the Jews prospered as professionals and tradesmen, Jewish bankers dominating European finance in the 19th century, both the Suez and Panama canal financed with Jewish capital. This is hardly consistent with the proffered image of Jews “suffering murder, rape, slavery and expulsions, with only intermittent times of peace and safety.” For Zionists such as you, effective misrepresentations are much preferred to counterproductive truth, and charges of anti-Semitism are a useful tool to secure Zionist objectives.

      • Keith
        June 30, 2016, 6:15 pm

        HOPHMI- “You appear to feel that because the writer mentioned the length, location, and nature of the antisemitism that Jews experienced, the writer is “anti-gentile.”

        You are ignoring the intent of these Zionist writers which is to divert attention from Israel’s behavior onto the BDS movement and anti-Zionism in general. What better way to avoid trying to defend the indefensible than to attack the messengers? Below is my letter to the editors in response to the ADL letter. I doubt that it will be published.

        “The June 29, 2016 Letter to the Editor by Hilary Bernstein is yet another dishonest attempt to label BDS and other opposition to Israeli policies as anti-Semitic.

        Since it became a state in 1948 following the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian natives, Israel has treated its non-Jewish citizens as second class citizens. This blatant ethnic discrimination continues today. Additionally, Israel continues to occupy the territories it conquered in the 1967 war, violating numerous UN resolutions in the process. This occupation continues today with no end in site. Netanyahu and other Israeli politicians assure their supporters that there will be no two state solution even as they claim to be seeking a two state resolution for the Western media. In any event, ongoing illegal Israeli settlement of the occupied territories has rendered a two state solution doubtful, as was intended. This is what BDS and other critics of Israel are trying to put a stop to. And this is what the Jewish Federation and the ADL are defending with their scurrilous charges of anti-Semitism. Is equal rights for all Israeli citizens anti-Semitic? Is calling for an end to Israel’s brutal occupation an act of anti-Semitism? It is time to stop the name calling.”

      • Sibiriak
        June 30, 2016, 7:27 pm

        @Keith

        Excellent, well-written Letter to the Editor.

        (In case you use it elsewhere–there’s a typo in this line “This occupation continues today with no end in site” ).

      • yonah fredman
        July 1, 2016, 1:01 am

        Between 1881 and 1917, one third of all jews left czarist russia for other locations. Historians attribute this migration to antisemitism, but according to you, keith, life was beautiful or what?

      • Keith
        July 1, 2016, 1:04 am

        SIBIRIAK- “This occupation continues today with no end in site”

        Ouch! Corrected. Thanks.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2016, 2:31 am

        “Between 1881 and 1917, one third of all jews left czarist russia for other locations.Historians attribute this migration to antisemitism, but according to you, keith, life was beautiful or what?”

        And things weren’t so great for the Jews in Russia after 1917, too.

        And a lot of other people were not allowed to leave Russia, had to stay for the entire WW1, Bolshevik Revolution, Red-White war, Stalin, WW2, then Communism and it’s eventual collapse.
        And you’re complaining cause a lot of us were able to get out of Russia?

        What on earth is it you want, “Yonah”? The Jews live in this very troubled world, and are subject to many of its troubles. Do you think we are an exception?

      • RoHa
        July 1, 2016, 5:08 am

        “The Jews live in this very troubled world, and are subject to many of its troubles. Do you think we are an exception?”

        You should be, but the world is full of anti-Semites who treat you like everyone else.

      • yonah fredman
        July 1, 2016, 10:32 am

        Ignorance is bliss, but propagating ignorance is evidence of malice and mendacity. Czarist Russian antisemitism of the 1880’s is historically self evident. Google “may laws” and read, unless you prefer to swallow the ignorance peddled here without the benefit of facts.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2016, 11:32 am

        “Ignorance is bliss, but propagating ignorance is evidence of malice and mendacity. “

        “Yonah” as long as you are happy, we don’t care what you say.
        Stay blissful, brother.

      • Keith
        July 1, 2016, 1:40 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Historians attribute this migration to antisemitism, but according to you, keith, life was beautiful or what?”

        What part of “The European nation states were forged in blood, wars among the various groups common.” don’t you understand? Speaking of Russian Jews, are you familiar with the life and times of Genrikh Yagoda? Your total lack of empathy for the lives of non-Jews is not something to be proud of. And your ongoing misrepresentation of my comments indicates a lack of fundamental intellectual integrity.

      • hophmi
        July 1, 2016, 2:46 pm

        Because, you see, Yonah, when you talk about antisemitism, anti-Jewish bigots with guilt complexs take it as personal criticism. For them, mentioning antisemitism is the same as being anti-Gentile.

        And of course, Yonah, don’t you know that there were Jewish communists? That means that there couldn’t possibly have been Russian antisemitism. Or at least that if that was any, it was either the fault of the Jews or really Jew-on-Jew violence. And let me tell you, Yonah, these Jewish communists – even though they were atheists who suppressed the religion of their own people – they were Jews, and they must be highlighted as Jews, Yonah. What do you mean you’ve never heard Keith discuss the Eastern Orthodox religion of the vast majority of the Russians?

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2016, 3:15 pm

        ” when you talk about antisemitism, anti-Jewish bigots with guilt complexs”

        Oh, don’t worry, “Hophmi” the “anti-Jewish bigots with guilt complexes”
        will most likely “fall away”.

      • Keith
        July 1, 2016, 3:56 pm

        HOPHMI- “Because, you see, Yonah, when you talk about antisemitism, anti-Jewish bigots with guilt complexs take it as personal criticism. For them, mentioning antisemitism is the same as being anti-Gentile.”

        You are totally incapable of responding to anything I say without resorting to flagrant misrepresentation. The notion of eternal and irrational anti-Semitism (Jew hatred) posits a murderous and irrational Gentile nature, and is profoundly anti-Gentile. If a non-Jew were to refer to an inherent Jewish essence, that would be evidence of anti-Semitic racism. Anti-Gentilism is the mirror image of anti-Semitism, the demagogic creation of an irrational Gentile essence. This is a throwback to medieval Judaism and tribalism. And the op-ed I referred to was a one-sided misrepresentation of historical reality in support of the Zionist assault on BDS. You are an incredibly dishonest person. A lawyer who fancies himself clever and cares naught for the truth.

      • yonah fredman
        July 1, 2016, 10:01 pm

        Keith .
        If pinsker preached antigentilism, which he did, then I excuse him. For the coming danger to the jews was irrational and all consuming, and maybe I shouldn’t excuse him because if belief in the benevolence of American gentiles had been his teachings instead then maybe the net benefit of his word would have been greater, but in the given case of europe, a freight train was headed towards the jews in Europe and anyone who preached antigentilism, i.e. as in- one of these goys is going to murder your asses, then he was preaching a course in life saving, in swimming, a mitzva, common sense.

        It is truly a quandary how to promote a consciousness of history, but to promote amnesia re: Europe 1881 to 1945. I grew up with huckleberry hound and Beaver cleaver and father knows best. I was not taught to fear the gentile by the TV I watched. But then when I got older it was Richard Kimble falsely accused and pursued by the dogged gerard, just a step ahead of the law. But this is we hope a new age, and america has been berry berry good to me.

        But when you assert the financial slot that jews tend to fill, that does not change the facts of czarist russia. For every super rich jew there were tens of thousands of poor jews, and a rich jew does not change the dynamics of pogroms or the may laws, and the argument is ignorant and malicious.
        There was tremendous energy talent and potential in the jews ruled by the czars and the only thing mother Russia could figure out how to do was to pass laws to repress them and here you are 130 years later denying history. And proud of it. You are icky.

      • Mooser
        July 1, 2016, 11:36 pm

        Another chapter of “Yonah’s” complaint.

        “It is truly…/… america has been berry berry good to me.”

        Talk about icky!

      • Sibiriak
        July 2, 2016, 12:40 am

        yonah fredman: …. jews ruled by the czars and the only thing mother Russia could figure out how to do was to pass laws to repress them and here you are 130 years later denying history.
        —————-

        Where does Keith deny that there was discrimination and repression against Jews in late 19th/early 20th century Czarist Russia?

        If you can’t answer that question with a direct quote, you are engaging in blatant dishonesty.

        [yonah fredman] Between 1881 and 1917, one third of all jews left czarist russia for other locations. Historians attribute this migration to antisemitism, but according to you, keith, life was beautiful or what?

        Where does Keith say anything like “life was beautiful’ for Jews (or the peasant masses, industrial workers etc.) under Czarist rule?

        What’s the point of such a gross misrepresentation of his views? Do you think such obvious straw man arguments are persuasive?

      • Sibiriak
        July 2, 2016, 1:36 am

        @yonah fredman

        Your argument, if it can be called one, is based on a blatant false dichotomy .

        Keith criticized an ahistorical, mythological conception of antisemitism and its use in demonizing the BDS movement, a conception exemplified by this quote from the article he linked to:

        “In truth, despite the veneer of rationality attached to BDS and delegitimization, these tactics are not new — they are a continuation of what seems like an eternal campaign against the Jewish people.” (Jonathan Greenblatt, ADL)

        http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/recognize-and-speak-out-against-anti-semitism/

        The notion that the BDS campaign is just the latest manifestation of an eternal, irrational, inexplicable, undifferentiated, autonomous, transhistorical, demonic power that forced Jews from their homeland, compelled them to practice their faith in secret, and was the root of the worst genocide the world has ever seen” –that is a mythological notion that has nothing to do with real fact-based history, and it is a despicable and disgraceful misrepresentation of the BDS movement.

        But you would have us believe that anyone who rejects that mythological conception of antisemitism necessarily rejects the reality of antisemitism entirely.

        That’s false. Genuine history, in fact, requires the rejection of such mythological thinking.

        If you wish to argue specific historical points with Keith, that would be great. But to reply to his arguments with a completely spurious false dichotomy is not enlightening whatsoever.

      • yonah fredman
        July 2, 2016, 7:04 am

        Sibiriak,
        since this discussion began with a condemnation of BDS as antisemitic, then you are right, I should have dealt with Keith’s assertions of anti gentilism of the anti BDS movement as expressed in that Seattle newspaper and as such my attack on Keith’s words should have been put in the context of the unfairness of the labeling of BDS. (Larry Derfner supports BDS, if only reluctantly, and that on its face negates the broad paint brush stroke.)

        The majority of the world’s Jews in 1881 lived in Russia and were oppressed by the czars, as in the May Laws which I cited. To cite Jewish millionaires and their power or the economic class that most Jews occupied as a means of denying the political and social vulnerability of the Jewish masses, is a fancy means of denial. Since in america the great social issue is racism against blacks and indigenous, and blacks and indigenous are both in the lowest economic class, some people are unable to stretch their brains and realize that not all vulnerabilities and repressions are exactly the same and passing laws against Jews is still repression, even if their median income was greater than the median income of the average Russian.

      • yonah fredman
        July 2, 2016, 7:08 am

        Keith- The bloody wars of the early 17th century should not be used as an excuse for Jew hatred in the late 19th century. After the Napoleonic wars, Europe was experiencing a period of stability and the repression that Russia imposed on its Jews in the May Laws and the rhetoric of the time, should not be excused by the bloodiness of European history 250 years earlier.

      • yonah fredman
        July 2, 2016, 7:14 am

        Sibirak- and here’s the quote from Keith that deserves condemnation by all students of history: “And I have yet to see any evidence from a reliable source (not you) that prior to Nazi Germany Jews were persecuted more than other groups, or were in more danger than other groups. “- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/clinton-palestine-dead/#comment-845329

      • yonah fredman
        July 2, 2016, 7:33 am

        btw, i assume that the median income of muslim americans is higher than the median income of average americans, certainly higher than median income of blacks and hispanics. would that justify anti muslim legislation?

      • Mr.T
        July 2, 2016, 10:09 am

        “here’s the quote from Keith that deserves condemnation by all students of history: ‘And I have yet to see any evidence from a reliable source (not you) that prior to Nazi Germany Jews were persecuted more than other groups, or were in more danger than other groups.'”

        I’m a serious student of history and the statement is not facially wrong, in all respects, as, for example, certainly true for the period between 1492 to the end of slavery in the New World and perhaps as late as 1932, the Jews of Europe as a whole, as bad as they had it, had it MUCH better than Africans in the African diaspora. If you want to play the rather sick game of “my people had it worst than your people,” May Laws weren’t as bad as legalized slavery.

        So, serious students of history should not attempt to argue away the evil done to European Jews over the millennia, and we should condemn any attempt to do that, but were the Jews always the worst off of anyone, anywhere?? No.

      • Mooser
        July 2, 2016, 1:43 pm

        ” but were the Jews always the worst off of anyone, anywhere?? No.”

        1) That is irrelevant. We Jews feel those things more deeply than other people. Why is there no respect for our sensitivity, and the high value we place on life?

        2) Okay, we are not the worst off. Big deal. But can you tell me “Sibiriak”: Why aren’t we the best off Why don’t we get what we deserve?
        We should get everything that the__________’s get! (“Yonah”, fill in that blank for me, would you?)

      • oldgeezer
        July 2, 2016, 2:58 pm

        @yonah
        ” should not be excused by the bloodiness of European history 250 years earlier. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/clinton-palestine-dead/#comment-168864

        So what’s the time limit yonah? 50 years? 100? 150?

        How far back into the past may one reach in order to justify their barbaric, oppressive and evil behaviour today?

        We see that excuse used all the time by zionist defenders.

      • Keith
        July 2, 2016, 4:26 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Sibirak- and here’s the quote from Keith that deserves condemnation by all students of history: “And I have yet to see any evidence from a reliable source (not you) that prior to Nazi Germany Jews were persecuted more than other groups, or were in more danger than other groups. “

        Students of history? Well, that leaves you out. First of all, I was responding to the Jewish Federation op-ed claiming unrelenting Jewish suffering for two millennia. I said that I saw no evidence that Jews were persecuted more than other groups. No doubt Jews fared better in some locations and times and worse in others. But this victim of all victims nonsense is pure bunkum. On balance, Jews fared better than the average Gentile, and continue to do so. That is why Jews have remained Jews. As usual, you presented no evidence or argument to contradict what I said, relying on insults as usual.

        As for Czarist Russia, you seem fixated on the years 1881 through 1917, yet I see no evidence that Jews were worse off under the Czar than other ethnic minorities. It is all relative. As for Jewish immigration from Russia, the industrialization of Russia was altering economic opportunities as Gentile peasants entered professions formerly the exclusive province of Jews under the old system. Obviously there was conflict. Yuri Slezkine discusses this in some detail in The Jewish Century. As I have said again and again, there was conflict all over Europe during much of the period and the Jews were involved in all of it, both the good and the bad. As Slezkine notes, “There was nothing particularly unusual about the social and economic position of the Jews in medieval and early modern Europe.” (p4) But you consistently ignore actual historicity in favor of selected incidents which reinforce your bias and ideology of eternal victimhood. I am weary beyond belief of your misrepresentations of my comments, and only respond because both you and Hophmi seem to go out your way to libel me and misrepresent me. Enough already!

      • Keith
        July 2, 2016, 8:18 pm

        MR.T- “So, serious students of history should not attempt to argue away the evil done to European Jews over the millennia….”

        Evil done to the Jews over the millennia? For most of this time, European Jews functioned as service nomads (Yuri Slezkine), functioning a a kind of nascent middle class assisting the Gentile nobility in administering the peasant society. They were tradesmen, jailers, tax collectors, professionals businessmen and money lenders. Some of them poor, no doubt, but compared to the surrounding peasant societies they were relatively well off, some acquiring considerable wealth. It was the town versus the country which permitted the Jews to acquire at least rudimentary literacy, a big advantage. Sure, they had their ups and downs during turbulent times, however, prior to modern anti-Semitism and the Holocaust, the average Gentile (peasant) had it worse. One doesn’t have to compare European Jewish life to American slavery to make my point. And it is not anti-Semitic to point out that there were Jewish slave traders, however, I am unaware of the Jewish slaves referred to in the Seattle Jewish Federation’s op-ed. Finally, whatever anti-Semitism which did exist, and I am sure it did, was reciprocated by Jewish anti-Gentilism, particularly in regards to the peasants who were regarded as filth. And the Talmud of medieval Judaism is full of anti-Christian references. The two societies were separate and antagonistic even as they were mutually dependent. If you have a radically different take on all of this, please feel free to present it, however, the Judeo-Zionist myth history of unwavering Jewish victimhood is an ideological construct, nothing more.

      • Sibiriak
        July 2, 2016, 11:26 pm

        yonah fredman: If pinsker preached antigentilism, which he did, then I excuse him [..] anyone who preached antigentilism, i.e. as in- one of these goys is going to murder your asses, then he was preaching a course in life saving, in swimming, a mitzva, common sense.
        ——————-

        Fine, that’s debatable. But what possible excuse is there for Pinsker-style antigentilism today in the 21st century ?

        Pinsker adopted racialist concepts drawn from his 19th century medical training and developed the notion that antisemitimism, or as he called it “Judeophobia”, was, literally, an incurable inherited disease afflicting practically all non-Jews everywhere.

        [Pinsker:]Along with a number of other subconscious and superstitious ideas, instincts, and idiosyncrasies, Judeophobia, too, has become rooted and naturalized among all the peoples of the earth with whom the Jews have had intercourse. Judeophobia is a form of demonopathy, with the distinction that the Jewish ghost has become known to the whole race of mankind, not merely to certain races, and that it is not disembodied, like other ghosts, but is a being of flesh and blood, and suffers the most excruciating pain from the wounds inflicted upon it by the fearful mob who imagine it threatens them.

        Judeophobia is a psychic aberration. As a psychic aberration, it is hereditary; as a disease transmitted for two thousand years, it is incurable.

        * * * * *

        Like the Jewish people, it seems, the real “Wandering Jew,” anti-Semitism, too, can never die. He must be blind indeed who will assert that the Jews are not the chosen people, the people chosen for universal hatred.

        […]Having analyzed Judeophobia as an hereditary form of demonopathy, peculiar to the human race, and having represented anti-Semitism as based upon an inherited aberration of the human mind, we must draw the important conclusion: the fight against this hatred, like any fight against inherited predispositions, can only be in vain. [emphasis added]

        Arthur Hertzberg, “The Zionist Idea: A Historical Analysis and Reader
        ———————-

        Both history and science have proven Pinsker’s pseudo-scientific racist doctrines to be false and pernicious. As Hostage wrote:

        Pinsker, Herzl, Ruppin, and Jabotinsky wrote racist tracts and pamphlets. They held the same bigoted European views regarding the immiscibility of the races, the mystical connection between blood and soil, hereditary anti-semitism, and the need of us racially inferior Diaspora Jews for genetic improvement through Eugenics programs they intended to carry-out in Palestine to create “the New Jew”, i.e. http://www.tau.ac.il/tarbut/tezot/bloom/EtanBloom-PhD-ArthurRuppin.pdf

        Even if the preaching of such racist anti-Gentile doctrines, apart from the damage they did, may have had the positive consequence of encouraging some few Jews to get out of Europe before the Nazi genocide, what possible justification is there TODAY for the continued propagation of such discredited racist, anti-gentile, mythological conceptions of antisemtitism–typified by the Seattle Times editorial– and their cynical use in demonizing the BDS movement?

        The debate you want to have about who was worse off in Tsarist Russia—Jews or non-Jewish peasants—however interesting it might be, is clearly a distraction from that critical question.

  6. Blownaway
    June 27, 2016, 1:52 pm

    The best case is that people finally realize that Clinton is nothing more than unprincipled and nakedly ambitious prostitute. There is nothing progressive about this neocon Dino. When she and her neocon supporters bring us to war with Russia and China people will finally revolt against the empire. Thinking that she or Obana late in his term will allow anything that could be even remotely be considered fair is a quaint concept. With all the indignity Obama has suffered at the hands of his “good friend Bibi” he will slink away with his tail tucked between his legs. There is no solution to Palestine in the US. The US will forever be known as the facilitator of the one state in Palestine

    • lonely rico
      June 27, 2016, 7:47 pm

      > Blownaway

      … Clinton is nothing more than unprincipled and nakedly ambitious prostitute.

      As an adolescent, I had the misfortune of learning the meaning of “hung drawn and quartered”, a peculiarly English method of execution, (prior to the Brits being reined in by the EU perhaps).
      The image of a naked Hillary will now likewise haunt my idle moments, disturb the drowsy moments preceding and then precluding sleep.

      No thanks Mr. Blownaway.

      • Blownaway
        June 27, 2016, 9:38 pm

        Not how I meant it but thanks now I’ll have different Hillary nightmares

      • Cazador
        June 28, 2016, 10:24 pm

        You’ll remain lonely much longer if you can’t contemplate women like Killary. As for the quartered, some don’t seem to mind the position before it.

    • RoHa
      June 28, 2016, 12:33 am

      “Clinton is nothing more than unprincipled and nakedly ambitious prostitute.”

      Once again I must protest about associating the filth of politicians with those nice, honest, hardworking ladies whose profession is to make life more pleasant for tired gentlemen.

      • Cazador
        June 28, 2016, 10:25 pm

        Well said.

    • Robert Brooks
      June 28, 2016, 12:36 pm

      I agree with your sentiments entirely, but I fear you give too much credit to the “people finally realize.” My worst fear, however, is that you are right in believing that there will never be a US solution.

  7. Kay24
    June 27, 2016, 2:02 pm

    Sanders tried more than others, but it was predictable, that despite the support of Cornel West and James Zogby, the establishment (led by that top zionist in Dem clothing, Wasserman Schultz) shot all suggestions down, and the platform will continue to be nauseatingly pro Occupier, and that will mean the Occupier will continue the massacres, land theft, and being pampered by US dollars.

    • JWalters
      June 27, 2016, 6:48 pm

      America’s occupier will continue fighting tooth and nail to retain their control. They may even be getting desperate about the fact that information on their crimes is all over the internet, and more and more people are becoming aware. That could lead to serious problems.

    • Marnie
      June 28, 2016, 12:01 am

      Not only that, but thanks to the tireless efforts of Frank Luntz, there’ll be all kinds of words no longer allowed in america – occupation, Palestine/ Palestinians, Naqkba, the West Bank and Gaza, settlements/settlers…..down and down we descend

      • Kay24
        June 28, 2016, 11:46 am

        Are we really the land of free speech when it comes to the zionists and their crimes in Israel?

      • Citizen
        June 28, 2016, 7:56 pm

        Luntz is always trotted out by Fox News with his selected bleacher of stupid, ignorant “typical” Americans to give audience his manipulated take on things political. He also wrote Hasbara 101 tailored for the American audience.

      • Cazador
        June 28, 2016, 10:27 pm

        Forgot BDS?

      • RoHa
        June 28, 2016, 11:02 pm

        Kay24, no.

  8. Mooser
    June 27, 2016, 2:55 pm

    Gee, with the Trump Republican Party falling to pieces, there may soon be room for a political party to the left of the Democrats.
    I guess there’s none of those 60’s Republicans left, they might fill the spot.

  9. jd65
    June 27, 2016, 2:58 pm

    “And what will his legions of young supporters… have to say about this in Philadelphia?”

    Hopefully they’ll say something like, “I’d love to see a woman be president of the United States. I’m voting for Jill Stein.”

  10. yonah fredman
    June 27, 2016, 3:02 pm

    2016 is a strange political year. Even hillary, the most predictable element of the season is a precedent maker: woman, former first lady, in the public’s eye for 24 years. The two strangers tho’ are Bernie and trump.
    Trump combines ross perot with George wallace, but running on a major party ticket. The reality tv, parody of the onion aspect to his candidacy, might be discouraged because he is truly unpredictable and has said horrible things about Muslims and Mexicans and who knows wtf he might do, so the obvious aspect: life imitating art, needs to be ignored, because who wants to laugh at their own funeral?
    Bernie is next up, much more liberal than any candidate since mcgovern, and face it that’s 44 years, so quite groundbreaking. His method of raising money is revolutionary. But, he lost the nomination. But he wishes to create a movement. How many senators or congressmen or governors or state legislators will be in office come January 20th that are in Bernie’s camp. Very very few. So this revolution is still in its infancy. (If the United states disbands like the EU, then you might see how pretty the revolution will look. )
    I understand why advocates of or for the Palestinians wish to say, Enough! But the tumult of the year makes this issue seem like a back page story. Bernie will have to decide how to handle the platform fight. In his speech, “where do we go from here” he did not mention palestine, it’s really not his big issue (huge), and so I don’t know how large a role he will give to the issue. I’d think cornel west and zogby and Ellison will confer and decide how to proceed and then hillary will decide how to react.
    One other point. I see that on foreign policy people can reasonably prefer trump to hillary. I find trump scary. (Not hitler scary, not mussolini scary, not lenin scary, not even george wallace scary, but certainly huey long scary.) His nomination was bad news and his presidency would be worse news.

    • Marnie
      June 28, 2016, 12:11 am

      “I find trump scary. (Not hitler scary, not mussolini scary, not lenin scary, not even george wallace scary, but certainly huey long scary.) His nomination was bad news and his presidency would be worse news.’

      You find him ‘scary. You might actually compare him favorably to the 5 you mentioned if you were Muslim, Hispanic, African American or female, but you don’t because he’s not after you.

      • yonah fredman
        June 28, 2016, 1:34 pm

        I think there are three elements to fear re:trump. Racism, fascism (or more precisely anti-democratic impulses) and the unique dangers posed by his personality. Mussolini and lenin were threats to freedom and democracy, whereas Hitler and George wallace the focus is on racism. Racism was the organizing principle of wallace’s political life. Re: hitler. It’s not a useful analogy, if you are seeking analysis rather than sounding the alarm.

    • Mooser
      June 28, 2016, 1:16 pm

      “I find trump scary. (Not hitler scary, not mussolini scary, not lenin scary, not even george wallace scary, but certainly huey long scary.) His nomination was bad news and his presidency would be worse news.’”

      Try and keep your BVD’s dry, “Yonah” Perhaps the link will calm you a bit.

  11. bevkrell
    June 27, 2016, 5:28 pm

    What surprises me is everyones reaction. HRC set out her stall long ago and much was revealed with her 2012 email about destroying Syria as a favour to Israel.
    You Americans have her but she poses a threat to the wider world. Who will she target first, Syria or Iran and who after that – Russia?? Clinton is integral to the military industrial complex and the American/Israeli axis poses the greatest threat to world peace.

    • Marnie
      June 29, 2016, 6:19 am

      I think if you look around you’ll find a lot of us have expressed the same thoughts about her concerning the rest of the world. She is the War Monger ‘n Chief.

  12. JWalters
    June 27, 2016, 6:27 pm

    This issue is bigger than Israel’s brutal treatment of Palestinians, as brutal as that is.

    The underlying issue is Israel’s corrupt control over the U.S. Hillary is willing to sell out one of the U.S. Constitution’s most precious parts, the right to free expression of political opinion, in a form that has already been upheld by the courts.

    While Hillary anguishes over 20 children massacred at Sandy Hook, she ignores 500 children massacred in Gaza, along with 1000+ parents, and 10,000 neighbors injured. Her excuse is absurd on its face to anyone who knows the full facts. The ONLY reason she gets away with this is because the establishment media is blacking out the full story. The only explanation for their doing this because they are also controlled by Israel.

    Which naturally raises the question: what else of America is controlled by Israel? How about the financial system? What about that plundering of America during the recent Great Recession? America definitely needs some sort of political revolution to escape the clutches of these gangsters.

  13. silamcuz
    June 27, 2016, 7:16 pm

    I still have faith on Hillary to come good on the Palestinians and reign in Israel and the lobby, once she’s President. I accept that she has been a extremely duplicitous politician, but that’s all on her public persona. Most Americans are stupid, even the progressives, and to win these folks’ votes over the diabolically crooked Republicans you need to be flexible somewhat regarding your publicly held believes and views.

    People who are judging Hillary have no idea the circumstances she is working in, so please stop. Obama, arguably the greatest President ever in the history of the American state, endorses Hillary. Sorry but I happen to believe he may be a bit wiser on the subject than many of the closet misogynists here.

    • Annie Robbins
      June 27, 2016, 11:41 pm

      I still have faith on Hillary to come good on the Palestinians and reign in Israel and the lobby, once she’s President.

      of course you do. you’ve got establishment written all over you.

      People who are judging Hillary have no idea the circumstances she is working in, so please stop.

      lol

      • silamcuz
        June 28, 2016, 8:32 am

        How so? I actually object on principle the establishment of the USA, from root to leaf, just as I oppose the illegal establishment of Israel on Palestine. I have been clear that I do not acknowledge the US as a legitimate political entity with rights to govern the land it currently occupies, as a settler-colonial regime. I view all American without native ancestry as settler-colonialists, but with varying degrees of accountability for their role in sustaining this illegal state.

        In reality however, you can’t insulate yourself from participating in a political system that you oppose to simply because many do not have such privilege in life. This is why I am supporting Clinton’s bid, even though I am a strong supporter of Jill Stein. Only privileged white people like yourself can afford to play ideological games in an election that will shape the life experiences of not only ourselves, but also our children and theirs.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2016, 1:11 pm

        “of course you do. you’ve got establishment written all over you.”

        Must be those progressive Marxist deep discussions which take up too many of “Simalcuz’s” evenings.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2016, 1:59 pm

        “I have been clear that I do not acknowledge the US as a legitimate political entity with rights to govern the land it currently occupies, as a settler-colonial regime.”

        Oh sure, that’s what you tell us, but you pay your taxes, and never cross in the middle of the block.
        We all know guys like you! You walk up to the corner, use your ears to hear, use your eyes to look out, and wait, wait, wait, until the light turns green!

      • Annie Robbins
        June 28, 2016, 2:20 pm

        exactly mooser. and “on principle” he “actually” objects to colonialism while remonstrating against judging hillary! and his routine ad hominems — he’s seemingly incapable of making any version of rational argument devoid of the crutch — as if lambasting commenters here as sexist and racist somehow demonstrates he’s not.

        triple yawn.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2016, 2:38 pm

        ” he’s seemingly incapable of making any version of rational argument devoid of the crutch”

        What I can’t determine is, is “Simalcuz” actually that dumb, or is he “fishing”?
        For instance, his lovely disquisition on the advanced state of women in Pakistan and Bangledesh the other day? Was that stupidity, or “fishing” for some really ugly stuff?

        It would really be a blow to somehow discover he is not phony, a parody-activist (and parody- some other things.) Very, very discouraging.
        But it would take an awful lot to convince of that (that he’s real) and he seems intent on not supplying anything which might confirm it, so I’m sticking with my conclusion, he’s as phony as a two-dollar bill.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 28, 2016, 2:56 pm

        yep, practiced posturing.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2016, 3:13 pm

        “yep, practiced posturing.”

        I have to quibble with that, “Annie” “Practiced”? Can’t buy that. I’d say amateur, bumbling,( oh so bumbling) and very, very revealing posturing.
        And he never knows when to button it, either.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 28, 2016, 3:54 pm

        even amateurs practice mooser. but after 3 or 4 personas i’d agree he’s outed himself.

        And he never knows when to button it, either.

        yep

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2016, 5:35 pm

        ” i’d agree he’s outed himself.”

        What I most appreciate are the poster’s here, who never, ever bit on his bait. Not once would they give “simalcuz” what he wanted.
        Not once.

    • JWalters
      June 28, 2016, 2:45 am

      I hope you’re right, and that Hillary is actually lying to Netanyahu and Blankfein. Maybe she wants revenge for what they did to her husband.

    • Marnie
      June 28, 2016, 6:53 am

      “People who are judging Hillary have no idea the circumstances she is working in, so please stop”.

      Yep, it’s a real beach having to run for president and run from a criminal investigation at the same time.

      • silamcuz
        June 28, 2016, 11:29 am

        The problem I have with the latter scenario is that the folks who are in charge of the criminal investigations and those who seek to gain from it are even worse crooks than Hillary. Plus the American criminal justice system is extremely corrupt and unjust to the point that I have absolutely no confidence in its agenda regardless of who is being investigated.

      • Mooser
        June 28, 2016, 2:28 pm

        So “simalcuz” can we summarize today’s lesson?
        The US is completely, criminally corrupt, so Hilary will probably get off, become Presidentress or Presidentette, (I guess we will find out) and solve the IP issues. Makes lot’s of sense.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 28, 2016, 2:30 pm

        folks who are in charge of the criminal investigations … are even worse crooks than Hillary

        name a few of them. she’s inoculated from the inside. nothing will come of it, everyone knows that. why are you protecting her lobby a** licking, protecting the zionist establishment? you think slinging around ideas like ‘on principle i actually object to the system but leave her alone’ convinces anyone your not duplicitously aligned?

      • silamcuz
        June 30, 2016, 4:59 am

        Mooser

        The US is completely, criminally corrupt, so Hilary will probably get off, become Presidentress or Presidentette, (I guess we will find out) and solve the IP issues. Makes lot’s of sense.

        Come to think of it, I am not sure if corrupt is the correct term to use to describe the dysfunctional state of the USA, as it implies a history by which America used to be good and proper. As we all know, America was founded through criminal actions of the highest degree, namely the genocide of Native Americans, and the chattel slavery of blacks. There were also numerous other historical sins that are still unaccounted for, such as the exploitations of Asian labourers in various economic activities such as construction and mining.

        As such, perhaps it would be more suitable to describe America as fundamentally, intrinsically evil that is undergoing internal turmoil due to the various factions of good it engulfed during its creation.

        Lastly, I’m not suggesting Hillary will single-handedly solve the IP conflict, but I believe she will play a role in which she positively contributes to the Palestinian cause, once President. One way or another, the Zionists will lose so it’s just a matter of trying to figure out how this would come to be.

        If Hillary as a President, sides with Israel during a time when Zionism/white supremacy/Eurosupremacy/Islamophobia is reaching critical failure mass, she will go down in history as even worse than the worst of Zionists.

      • Mooser
        June 30, 2016, 5:32 pm

        And then “Simalcuz” goes back into his well-known “spin”.
        Round and round he goes, and where he’ll stop, everybody knows.

        “Simalcuz” I think we get it. You are out to make “social activists” look like idiots, and fish for racist responses.

  14. sulai
    June 27, 2016, 8:26 pm

    The fact that the word “occupation” is up for debate sends chills down my spine, this one was a given before Hillary. The nefarious intent behind that to me is obvious, wiping the slate clean of any ties to Israel for Palestinians, and guaranteed the next thing up for grabs will be the word Palestinian and whether one ever existed. With Hillary approaching the Oval Office, the emboldening right wing of Israel can come out full force now, here in America, because our leaders no longer represent our interests.

    It concerns me that we are not talking about that in big headlines here, the fact that such an aggressive move has been made to take “Occupation” out of the conversation all of a sudden.

  15. Curatica
    June 27, 2016, 9:24 pm

    What does “progressive” mean? Is “progress” tantamount to virtue, morality, justice, decency, common sense, compassion, and so on? Whoever has eyes to understand the history of the last few hundreds years, could tell that mankind is on the slippery slope towards its self-annihilation. The French revolution, which institutionalized “democracy” was a butchery, and the nineteenth century was its prolongation. The great twentieth century of “scientific achievements” brought about the most barbaric wars in human history. And nowadays, the entire world seems to sit on a number of powder barrels, each and every one ready to catch fire; just see what happens in Europe, Middle East, Asia, South America. That, besides the ecological catastrophe and the natural disasters which multiply by the year.

    In the meantime, America has to choose between a rock and a hard place, between a hollow and wicked woman and an idiot (equally wicked). This will be the beginning of the end of the nation that the red-hat-adorned scoundrel wants to “make great again”.

  16. US Citizen
    June 28, 2016, 12:39 am

    Of course the Hilbots on the Dem Platform Committee were not going to let Bernie Sanders get ANY say in the forming of the platform. Disgusting. However, the voices for Palestine are getting to loud to ignore.

    As a lawyer and former Sec. of State it looks like Hillary needs a refresher in international law:

    Reviewing a few facts of international law relating to the Occupation, and Israel’s blatant and constant violations of them, may be helpful:

    Law: An occupying power must not move its own citizens permanently onto the occupied nation’s land. Temporarily housing soldiers on a short-term basis there to maintain peace and the safety of the occupied people is allowed.

    Israeli violations: Israel has moved over half a million Israelis into the West Bank, and Israeli Prime Murderer Benjamin Netanyahu has stated categorically that not one of them will be removed.

    Law: The people of the occupied lands must not be displaced permanently.
    Israeli violations: Millions of Palestinians have been forced from their homes to make room for illegal Israeli settlers.

    Law: The culture of the occupied land must be respected.

    Israeli violations: Israel has done much to destroy and obliterate the culture of Palestine. The destruction of entire towns and villages, mosques and historical sites is ongoing. In one particularly egregious example, Israel bulldozed the ancient Ma’man Allah cemetery, dating at least to the 12th century and possibly earlier, and constructed a ‘Museum of Tolerance’ on the site.

    Law: The occupying power must ensure the safety of the occupied peoples.

    Israeli violations: Bombing the Gaza Strip, breaking into the homes of Palestinians in the West Bank at all hours of the day and night, arresting men, women and children without charge, shooting peaceful protesters in the back, cannot be seen as ensuring their safety, and protesting these atrocious crimes does not make one anti-Semitic.

    Please define exactly what the US “national interest” is with Israel.

    Why is ineffectual resistance to brutal occupation considered terrorism, yet the occupation itself, which takes a horrific toll on all Palestinians on a daily basis, considered acceptable?

    By totally erasing any nod, any mention, any compassion toward the slaughter of Palestinian children, women and men in their homes, schools and hospitals, Hillary Clinton makes a mockery of her touted Methodist upbringing and her declared concern for children everywhere.

    The woman is a sociopathic, narcissist menace to US society. As a life long Dem I refuse to vote for her.

    • JWalters
      June 28, 2016, 2:42 am

      Hillary’s Mideast policy –

      It takes hundreds of Palestinian villages obliterated to raise an Israeli child. And the blowback should not be tolerated.

    • Sibiriak
      June 28, 2016, 9:51 pm

      The U.S. turns to Israel for help in the fight against the non-existent Russian threat.

      Reuters: The United States has tested the short-range interceptor missile used by Israel’s Iron Dome system with a view to incorporating it for a future American counterpart in European-based air defenses against Russia, a U.S. Army general said Monday. Developed with funding help from Washington, Iron Dome has had a 90 percent shoot-down rate against Palestinian rockets, Israeli and U.S. officials say.

      But the system’s $50 million unit price and limited reach have dampened its export appeal.

      Visiting Israel, Maj. Gen. Glenn Bramhall of the U.S. Army’s Air and Missile Defense Command said he saw a new need to complement his unit’s midrange Patriot and THAAD interceptors with a thrifty system for less powerful missile threats.

      To that end, he said, U.S. assessors have test-launched Iron Dome’s interceptor missile, “Tamir,” which is jointly manufactured by Massachusetts firm Raytheon Co. and Israel’s state-owned Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd.

      “With all that is happening in Europe, especially the fact that Russia has really awakened itself and has really decided to rebuild its military and is really posing a threat, we are looking at how we can do the multtiered defense,” Bramhall told Reuters at a conference hosted by the Israeli security organization iHLS.

      http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2016/Jun-28/359341-us-eyes-israeli-missile-interceptor-for-europe-defense.ashx

  17. Marnie
    June 28, 2016, 6:50 am

    Isn’t HRC still being investigated? Is there still some hope remaining that instead of being handed the keys to the white house and nuclear codes that she’s handed her a$$ on a platter and her next pantsuit ensemble will be a lovely shade of orange?

    Now that we’re at at this stage of the great game who’s gonna be the next Enabler ‘n Chief wink-wink, the next leader of the greatest democracy in the world (owned by the zionist enterprise), this has been again, one gigantic snow job. I hope and pray that every vote that was meant for BS is given to Dr. Jill Stein. I think the only reason Drumpf got as far as he did was to ensure another Clinton presidency. Millions upon millions of dollars to buy this president. Disgusting.

  18. John Salisbury
    June 28, 2016, 8:12 am

    Her political ambitions Trump any concerns for Palestinian suffering.

    Moral bankruptcy comes easily to her.

  19. watzal
    June 28, 2016, 10:34 am

    What did you expect from Hillary Clinton? She is a Zionist pawn and will lead the US Empire in the next war against Iran. The Zionists have not given up on their dreams to destroy the Mullah regime and Clinton is their tool in this deadly endeavor. In the platform, the Palestinians are fobbed off with the so-called two-state solution, which is a guarantee for the continuation of Israel’s colonization of Palestinian land. If Clinton wins, which I don’t wish to the American people, the old Zionist crowd will be back and work for the sake of Israel. The American people know what kind of political cook Hillary Clinton is. She is not interested in the well-being of the man in the street because she is the servant of the military-industrial-financial-intelligence-congressional-media complex that will be the only beneficiaries of her presidency. Forget about the politically meaningless platform and vote for the independent or the green candidate.

    • Citizen
      June 29, 2016, 3:07 am

      I don’t get Beiden. He knows about the 2010 Petreus Report, which told Obama and his close people that what Israel does to the Palestinian people paints a target on the back of US troops in the Middle East. He told Netanyahu’s boys that was the case, after Netanyahu stuck a finger in his eye by announcing more settlement expansion while Beiden was in Israel. Yet Beiden is pitching in for Hillary. Petraeus got his information from the mouth of a myriad of Arab leaders and/or their spokes in the Middle East. Of course the American public was never informed of this by the main media or their own congressional reps.

  20. hophmi
    June 28, 2016, 11:16 am

    Oh the anger. The anger at finding out that you’re not the mainstreamers that you think you are.

    • a blah chick
      June 28, 2016, 12:59 pm

      If believing in the basic rights of ALL people, if desiring a world where everyone is treated with dignity and respect puts me outside the “mainstream” I will gladly sit on the shore. Much better company.

      • MHughes976
        June 29, 2016, 7:44 am

        I don’t deny that the idea that the Zionist claim on ‘the land of Isreal’ is completely mistaken and indeed indefensible on any recognised moral principles is still way outside that sluggish mainstream. Those of us who think that way have not yet shifted opinion in the serried ranks of the powerful. Some ordinary, normal people are among us but many take a different view.

    • US Citizen
      June 28, 2016, 1:26 pm

      The next war that Israel initiates and incites ? All their next adversary has to do is obliterate their airport and port and Israel is done. Can’t wait to hear their victim mentality and hypocrisy, “Gee, what did we EVER do to deserve this?”, “Help, help – we need help – just look at what they did to us!”, “It’s the (fill in whatever group at the moment), it’s not our fault!”.

      Oh the anger. The anger at finding out that you’re not as important as you think you are.

      • DaBakr
        June 29, 2016, 6:57 pm

        @u

        “All their next adversary has to do is…..”. Lol. If they could have they would have dope

    • Marnie
      June 29, 2016, 12:35 am

      You sound like crotchety old Mr. Potter speaking with glee to George Bailey about his impending demise.

      Great work btw.

    • amigo
      June 29, 2016, 2:23 pm

      “Oh the anger. The anger at finding out that you’re not the mainstreamers that you think you are.” hopknee

      Oh the hypocracy, oh the rancor —since 2010 you have posted 1864 times , ( no idea how many of your posts have gone astray ) -Sounds like MW is pretty mainstream in your life.

  21. hophmi
    June 28, 2016, 11:21 am

    “She is a Zionist pawn” #noeuphemismshere

    “The Zionists have not given up on their dreams to destroy the Mullah regime and Clinton is their tool in this deadly endeavor.”

    Clearly, no one else is against Iran, right? #excepttheentireSunniworld

    “She is not interested in the well-being of the man in the street because she is the servant of the military-industrial-financial-intelligence-congressional-media complex” #kitchensinkleftism

    “Forget about the politically meaningless platform and vote for the independent or the green candidate” #wasteyourvote

    • Mooser
      June 28, 2016, 4:35 pm

      “Clearly, no one else is against Iran, right?#excepttheentireSunniworld”

      Well, the Zionists united with “the entire Sunni world” ought to be some stiff opposition for Iran.
      And I agree, Zionism should keep to the Sunni side of the street.

  22. pabelmont
    June 28, 2016, 2:34 pm

    Anyone know how to tell the DNC what we think on this? To tell Sanders? To tell NYT? To tell anyone at all?

  23. rosross
    June 28, 2016, 10:11 pm

    On a positive note, Clinton pushing Israeli aggression simply fuels BDS. The world at large does not care what the US says and since Americans have been slow to support justice anyway, particularly for Palestinians, it really doesn’t matter if the US clamps down on BDS in their country. Fact is, if they try they will just fuel an underground movement which is even stronger.

    The harder the US pushes Israeli aggression, the closer the one-state solution gets.

  24. DaBakr
    June 28, 2016, 11:06 pm

    while the philosophical supposed ‘progressive’ hard left would like to view their spike in loudness over the last couple of years from bds to bernie sanders as a reaction to the ‘rising tide’ of hard right conservatives which they believe are ‘fascists’ . but it is equally as plausible that the current situation could be blamed on the hard left as their own level of exposure produced a reaction from the center , center right to the just short of fanatical right wing extremists. pretty much like the postulation of wether the dog is chasing the rabbit because it runs or the rabbit runs because the dog is chasing. i see it as the center shifting right in a reaction to the shrill cry of the left. Or maybe a reaction to how clever the hard left has become ion combating what they think is the enemy zionism. whatever it is, the left has upped its game and people like pw are hopping mad that the vast majority of american democrats fights back. and to the moderator who is the best anti-zionist debater on mw, you can forget me ‘producing’ poll results proving said. if you want to state ‘it can’t be w/o a poll to cite’ then be my guest. kind of like when the same mod blew off another post where i used “vast” in describing the % of worldwide jews (yes, including the <25k iranian jews who have no choice but to say publicly they hate zionism -yet half their relatives live in israel) identifying as zionist and chose to deny my definition of "vast" as either valid or proven. i live in this world, not the one with unicorns and evil wizards.

  25. mcohen.
    June 29, 2016, 5:46 am

    it is shaping up nicely for a summer 2017 blockbuster.pieces are sliding into place.

  26. jaspeace2day
    June 29, 2016, 2:56 pm

    “The party belongs to Hillary Clinton.” Not so fat sunshine; checkout this and many other articles regarding the likely indictment by the FBI of Hillary: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/its-official-bernie-sanders-is-staying-in-the-race_us_576cf7a3e4b0fa01a13fd382

    • DaBakr
      June 29, 2016, 7:19 pm

      @j

      With Republican leadership in full meltdown mode with talk of dumping trump you can rest assured that nobody is indicting Hillary for anything before she is elected. Triumph is too off the rails to be trusted or elected and there is no other feasable choice. The only benefit I can see from here to hrc is she already knows the job from her 8yrs in the wh and more as SOS. At least she won’t have to waste the first two years in office figuring everything out b4 turning to money raising in the third and fourth year of her 1st term.

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