Separation and conquest: Israel’s ideological barrier

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In 2002 the Israeli Government decided to construct “a barrier” separating the West Bank and Israel with the declared purpose of improving the security of Israel by preventing Palestinians from entering Israel without first being cleared at a checkpoint. Today, the Annexation and Segregation Wall consists partly of concrete slabs, which are eight to nine meters high and are connected to form a concrete wall, and partly of fences, ditches, razor wire, groomed sand paths, an electronic monitoring system, patrol roads and a buffer zone.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) declared in its Advisory Opinion on 9 July 2004 that the Annexation and Segregation Wall and its associated permit regime is contrary to international law and that all states are under an obligation not to render aid or assistance to maintain the situation created by its construction. A particular concern of the ICJ was the location of the Annexation and Segregation Wall and the ICJ noted “that the route chosen for the wall gives expression in loco to the illegal measures taken by Israel, and deplored by the Security Council, with regard to Jerusalem and the settlements, and that it entails further alterations to the demographic composition of the Occupied Palestinian Territory.”

When completed, the Annexation and Segregation Wall is going to be 712 kilometers long, which is more than twice the length of the Green Line, and more than 9.4 percent of the West Bank and 30,000 Palestinians will be trapped between the Wall and the Green Line, an area now known as the seam zone. The Human Rights Committee emphasized its concerns with the restrictions on freedom of movement imposed by the Annexation and Segregation Wall in its concluding observations on the fourth periodic report of Israel.

Twelve years have passed since this judgment was made, yet Israel refuses to act upon any of these internationally-recognized obligations. To the contrary, Israel’s construction of the Wall continues steadily, and its associated regime of discriminatory legislation and practices remain firmly in place. The path of the Wall has resulted in the de-facto annexation of 9.4 percent of the West Bank.

But the Wall is “only” yet another tool deployed by Israel to continue the process of colonizing Mandate Palestine (the geographical area which was ruled by the British Mandate, until its withdrawal in May 1948: today the state of Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory). Simply put, the Israeli endeavor aims at emptying Mandate Palestine from its indigenous inhabitants, including areas that lie today within the borders of Israel proper. The intentionally designed displacement of Palestinians serves a parallel objective of relentlessly campaigning to settle Jewish-Israelis in colonies, illegal according to international law. In other words, Israel aims to colonize Palestine with Jewish immigrants (colonists) at the expense of the indigenous Palestinians, ultimately seeking to create a predominantly Jewish entity there as best described by Yosef Weitz, former director of the Land Department of the Jewish National Fund:

Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country… There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries – all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left.

This colonization, today, is carried out by Israel, in the form of the overall policy of ‘silent’ transfer, and not by the mass deportations witnessed in 1948 or 1967. It is silent in the sense that Israel carries it out while trying to avoid international attention, displacing small numbers of people on a weekly basis. It is to be distinguished from the more overt transfer achieved under the veneer of warfare in 1948. Here it is important to note that Israel’s transfer policy is neither limited by Israel’s geographical boundaries nor those of the occupied Palestinian territory.

The Israeli policy of silent transfer is evident in the State’s laws, policies and practices. Israel uses its power to discriminate, expropriate and ultimately effect the forcible displacement of the indigenous non-Jewish population from the area of Mandate Palestine. For instance, the Israeli land-planning and zoning system has forced 93,000 Palestinians in East-Jerusalem to build without proper construction permits because 87 percent of that area is off-limits to Palestinian use, and most of the remaining 13 percent is already built up. Since the Palestinian population of Jerusalem is growing steadily, it has had to expand into areas not zoned for Palestinian residence by the State of Israel. All those homes are now under the constant threat of being demolished by the Israeli army or police, which will leave their inhabitants homeless and displaced.

Another example is the government-approved Prawer Plan, which calls for the forcible displacement of 30,000 – 70,000 Palestinian citizens of Israel due to an Israeli allocation policy which has not recognized over thirty-five Palestinian villages located in the Naqab (Negev). Israel deems the inhabitants of those villages as illegal trespassers and squatters, and as such, they face the imminent threat of displacement. This is despite the fact that in many cases, these communities predate the State of Israel itself.

The Israeli Supreme Court bolstered this objective of clearing Palestine of its indigenous population in its 2012 decision prohibiting family unification between Palestinians with Israeli citizenship and their counterparts across and beyond the 1949 Armistice Line. The effect of this ruling has been that Palestinians with different residency statuses -such as Israeli citizen, Jerusalem ID, West Bank ID or Gaza ID which all are issued by Israel- cannot legally live together on either side of the 1949 Armistice Line. They are thus faced with a choice of living abroad, living apart from one another, or taking the risk of living together illegally. Such a system is used as a further means of forcibly displacing Palestinians and thereby changing the demography of Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory in favor of a predominantly Jewish population. This demographic intention is reflected in the Court’s reasoning for its decision, where it stated that “…human rights are not a prescription for national suicide.” This reasoning was further emphasized by Knesset-member Otniel Schneller who stated that “The decision articulates the rationale of separation between the [two] peoples and the need to maintain a Jewish majority…and character…”. This illustrates once more the Israeli state’s self-image as a Jewish State with a different set of rights for its Jewish and non-Jewish, mainly Palestinian, inhabitants.

Separation and conquest

The enterprise of colonizing Palestine is deeply rooted in the principle of separation and conquest. The idea of “constructing a Wall” started with the first Zionist colonists groups entering Palestine in the beginning of the 20th Century. Kibbutzim were the first form of creating “little fortresses” in an unknown and hostile environment as seen by the Zionist colonists. The kibbutz, a collective community, was formed by European Jews to conquest Palestinian land and to separate the conquered land from its indigenous Palestinian inhabitants in order to establish a territory for the Jewish people. In this regard, Kibbutzim even “rejected” the exploitation of cheap Arab labor and used instead Yemenite Jewish agricultural workers. This politics of separation and conquest is still visible today in various aspects and throughout all of Mandate Palestine. Israeli cities in the Galilee or Israeli colonies in the West Bank resemble the architecture of “fortresses”. They are created on hilltops, completely encapsulated with only one or two streets leading to them, and their surroundings resemble a moat of trees and stones and impenetrable passages. It is also visible in Jerusalem where the Wall is created by discriminatory state and municipality practices and services. Palestinian neighborhoods are denied proper infrastructure or development contrary to Israeli Jewish colonies and neighborhoods in Jerusalem: although the Palestinian community in Jerusalem represents 35 percent of the city’s population, and pays higher taxes than their Jewish Israeli counterparts, they receive less than 10 percent of the municipal budget. Another example is the Palestinian city of Jericho where the city is encircled by an invisible Israeli wall which prohibits the city of its natural growth. The city’s outskirts are part of the Area C of the West Bank where Israel virtually eliminates the possibility for further construction and development; and therefore separates the city from its own environment.

Therefore, the Wall is not only built by concrete stone, it is seeded in the Zionist ideology of separation and conquest.

About Amjad Alqasis

Amjad Alqasis holds a LL.M. in international public law and is a legal researcher and a member of the Legal Support Network of BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights. From 2011-2014 he was the coordinator of BADIL’s international and legal advocacy program. Since August 2014, Amjad has been an advisor at Al Haq Center for Applied International Law. He has published several articles and researches on various topics concerning the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

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  1. just
    July 7, 2016, 1:03 pm

    Thank you Amjad.

    I’ll share this excellent primer with those folks that I know who stubbornly remain unconvinced of the intentional, evil, and ongoing Nakba.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 7, 2016, 2:25 pm

      But the Wall is “only” yet another tool deployed by Israel to continue the process of colonizing Mandate Palestine (the geographical area which was ruled by the British Mandate, until its withdrawal in May 1948: today the state of Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory). Simply put, the Israeli endeavor aims at emptying Mandate Palestine from its indigenous inhabitants, including areas that lie today within the borders of Israel proper.

      i agree complete. it’s death by a thousand cuts, slow motion genocide (as defined by the Crime of Genocide GA260 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#Definition_of_genocide).

      • Mooser
        July 9, 2016, 6:48 pm

        “i agree complete. it’s death by a thousand cuts”

        That’s how the world will know us! As “The Conquerors of Palestine!”
        Every knee will bend and every tongue give vomit to the Jews, the people who saved the world from the Palestinians.

      • Doubtom
        July 24, 2016, 3:34 pm

        What Israel’s critics can’t seem to get through their heads is that god gave all that land to the Jews alone! Ain’t nobody bigger than god,,oops I mean God. (it really pisses him off when people forget to capitalize his name.) The Jews go one step further, they don’t even complete his name (G-d) so as to minimize the chance of misspelling, which also tends to piss him off.
        Why the Jews’ god, ooops, I meant G-d, is so pissed off all the time is a mystery since they created him.

  2. Ossinev
    July 7, 2016, 1:27 pm

    [..] No in your face orchestrated genocide of course because of the PR image and most importantly that would mean that the potential loss of their greatest victims in the history of civilisation status which is their bottom line lifeblood and raison d`etre . No forced massed expulsions because of the PR aspect and the simple fact that they would have to go to war with their neighbours to force the Palestinians into those other countries without their agreement . They would have to use ground troops as opposed to F16s to do that and this would not resemble 3 a.m. raids on sleeping Palestinian families and the seizure and detention of potential stone throwers from the age of 6 month to 90 years. No this would mean bullets and more !! coming towards them and it is likely that a high proportion would run away crying to their mamas and rabbis complaining about murdering terrorists resisting their moral army.

    Today`s bully is tomorrow`s coward.

    Yes it is a deliberate creeping patchwork cleansing/colonising of Mandate Palestine but the Palestinian population aren`t going anywhere. Zionist JSILI`s have becoming inherently brain dead. With a very few exceptions , like the Nazis they have become so inured to their crimes and the fact that they continue to get away with them they have only one plan for the future which is to carry on as was / as is.

    Where this Zionist freak show is going to unravel IMHO is when the truly deranged extreme right wing which the Yahoo has cultivated and nurtured give in completely to their Biblical narrative , storm the Al-Asqua for a Third Temple reclaim and a mass wailing session, and the the most moral etc stands back and does nothing.

    The world wide consequences of this would be horrific.

    • just
      July 7, 2016, 2:29 pm

      “They would have to use ground troops as opposed to F16s to do that and this would not resemble 3 a.m. raids on sleeping Palestinian families and the seizure and detention of potential stone throwers from the age of 6 month to 90 years. No this would mean bullets and more !! coming towards them and it is likely that a high proportion would run away crying to their mamas and rabbis complaining about murdering terrorists resisting their moral army.

      Today`s bully is tomorrow`s coward.”

      Stunningly honest stuff, Ossinev. You have a gift of being able to distill it to the bare and raw reality.

      Thanks for that.

  3. MaxNarr
    July 7, 2016, 8:08 pm

    Lies

    • oldgeezer
      July 7, 2016, 9:47 pm

      @maxnarr

      I don’t usually waste my time with your pathetic trolling but tonight I feel an exception coming on.

      Zionism, when defined as a homeland for Jewish people may well be a moral objective. Not objectionable in tbe least. An incredibly stupid solution but one which people can’t really raise a principled objection against.

      Ossinev has it pegged correctly. Zionism, as practiced, is vile and evil. It can only succeed by denying others their rights as humans. It actually denies their humanity to justify the brutality of Israel’s thuggish behaviour against them and theft of their property.

      The idf is manned by cowards. They delight in killing defenseless people. Whether by bullet or bomb. This is evidenced not only by the actions of the thugs of the idf but the support of the populace and politicians.

      They run when confronted by any minimal force. They kill unarmed people who pose no threat. They kill kids with stones or knives while they are heavily armed and armoured. Cowards, incompetent, or both.

      Freak show is quite apt to describe modern day zionists

      C’mon max it has to be around 3am. Don’t you have some doors to kick in amd some 5 or 10 year olds to go kidnap and hold in indefinite detention without charge tonight? Send in tbe special forces as the kid might have a pencil crayon or GI Joe doll..

      • MaxNarr
        July 7, 2016, 11:38 pm

        Hi Oldgeezer,

        I usually wouldn’t respond to you but I will this time. You calling IDF “cowards” is a terrible malignment. I think all armies are composed of people of that country, while some may be cowards and some may be brave, on the whole, I believe the IDF has fought valiantly and courageously.

        I do appreciate your defense of Zionism as an imperative and please believe us, we will continue to massively settle the entire of Palestine, from the river to the sea.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 8, 2016, 1:52 am

        I believe the IDF has fought valiantly and courageously.

      • Talkback
        July 8, 2016, 2:17 am

        MaxNarr: “… “and please believe us, we will continue to massively settle the entire of Palestine, from the river to the sea.”

        We all do believe that you will continue with your war crimes and were never interested in peace and coexistence from the get go.

      • Marnie
        July 8, 2016, 4:11 am

        Max – if you should get to the sea, be sure you and yours take long swallows of it because of the horrors inflicted upon the people of Palestine who were and continue to be the indigenous people of the land. Every time I see a post by you, yonah, hophni or the other hasbarists I’m filled with anger, shame and mostly revulsion. You and yours are not the people I envisioned encountering here. I was stupid enough to believe this place was different, not full of lazy, crazy racist bitches and bastards. ‘Historic homeland of the Jews’? What may have been over 2000 years ago is no more. Try living in the 21st century you troglodyte.

      • Kay24
        July 8, 2016, 6:49 am

        That is indeed Max’s valiant IDF in their finest form. Take the big guns away, and they dare not act the same way. They are cowards who pick on little kids.

      • amigo
        July 8, 2016, 6:54 am

        “we will continue to massively settle the entire of Palestine, from the river to the sea – ” max nurd

        So you are in favour of a 1SS.

        Will your 1SS be extending equal rights to ALL it,s citizens or did you have some other “plan ” in mind.

        Keep committing war crimes and human rights abuses and your day will come buster and not in the way you fantasize.

      • eljay
        July 8, 2016, 7:33 am

        || MaxNarr: … You calling IDF “cowards” is a terrible malignment. … ||

        You’re right, it should be “hateful and immoral cowards”.

        || … the IDF has fought valiantly and courageously. ||

        Thanks to their extra-absorbent Captain Israel underpants.

        || … we will continue to massively settle the entire of Palestine, from the river to the sea. ||

        Yup, and your religion-supremacist “Jewish State” will last a Thousand Years.

      • amigo
        July 8, 2016, 9:01 am

        “and please believe us, we will continue to massively settle the entire of Palestine, from the river to the sea.” max nurd

        So you are pro 1SS.

        That,s a good start but will your 1SS include equal rights (that includes one man , one vote ) for ALL of it,s citizens .

        Didn,t think so.

      • amigo
        July 8, 2016, 9:38 am

        “I think all armies are composed of people of that country ” max nurd

        “That country ” ????, Borders please.

        “while some may be cowards and some may be brave, on the whole, I believe the IDF has fought valiantly and courageously” max nurd

        1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwcTBejo79s

        2, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxFsCr71u5w

        Which video are you in Max ,,, both.

      • MHughes976
        July 8, 2016, 12:08 pm

        Massive and increasing settlement by a dominant group implies increasing appropriation of living space and so increasing confinement or removal – or emigration to escape a confined existence – of the subordinate groups. This is not yet the openly stated intention of the Israeli government but I think that the open statement may not be long in coming, with either a Clinton or a Trump presidency giving an unprecedented opportunity. Very inhumane, isn’t it?

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 3:00 pm

        “You calling IDF “cowards” is a terrible malignment. … “

        Have you checked their camber, caster and toe-in lately? Taken a look at the tie-rod ends? Uneven tire wear?

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 3:04 pm

        “I usually wouldn’t respond to you but I will this time.”

        ROTFLMSJAO!! , cubed! “MaxNarr” I’d tip my hat to you, (but I haven’t got a hat) Always pitch-perfect!

        Yup “MaxNarr”, anybody who thinks they can stop the great migration of 200 million Jews to their ancestral homelands is just kidding themselves!

      • MHughes976
        July 9, 2016, 5:19 pm

        Going back to OG’s original comment above – I don’t think that it is ever a morally valid objective to set up a homeland where those who are X, whatever X means, are in the majority. That idea brings chaos and implies the right to disfranchise or exclude those not of the group in question. Ideas of this kind can be implemented only at cost to others – and if the others are numerous and minded to resist there must be cruelty.

      • Mooser
        July 9, 2016, 5:35 pm

        “Ideas of this kind can be implemented only at cost to others”

        “MHughes976”, I think it’s more basic than that. “Ideas of this kind can be implemented only” if you have the power and resources to implement them, in which case you don’t need anybody’s permission.
        And the fact that Israelis have to beg for permission and seek justification for these ideas shows Zionism doesn’t have what it takes to deliver on its promises. Or they wouldn’t be asking and begging and whining.

      • oldgeezer
        July 9, 2016, 5:39 pm

        @Mhughes

        And I would hope that you understand I would agree with you to a huge extent. Most of what you have written I would consider to be zionis in practice. I merely see nothing wrong with the desire for a homeland. I did not extend it to either the implementation or the diminishing the rights of others.

        Clearly zionis in reality is morally wrong and bankrupt. I’ve never held otherwise. I guess it’s easy to accept the brutality of the cowardly thugs in the GoI and it’s terrorist armed forces if you’ve been brainwashed into believing the project has any morality to begin with.

    • silamcuz
      July 8, 2016, 8:45 am

      The only military unit that rivals the IDF in cowardice and disgraceful behavior is the military of the USA, who raped and killed countless innocent defenceless souls in Iraq and Afghanistan. Fortunately none of these thugs in combat gear escaped the justice of God, because many now are psychologically tormented to the point of homelessness, suicide and addiction to drugs and drink.

      No doubt we will be seeing the same of these “brave” IDF kids in the future. Through their own actions they have booked a place for themselves in hellfire.

      Everytime I see an American war veteran setting by the curb, with their dignity nowhere to be seen, disheveled and beastlike in appearance, looked at in disgust and pity by those who walk by, living in a state of purgatory awaiting their eventual departure to the eternal hellfire, I feel a primal sense of bliss and satisfaction that cannot be put into words. Well maybe I could say it’s a sense of achieving nirvana.

      My only hope and wish is for every Palestinian victims of the IDF would be fortunate enough to feel the same when the time comes. Karma is real folks, don’t ever doubt it.

      • gamal
        July 8, 2016, 10:45 am

        ” Karma is real folks, don’t ever doubt it.”

        if you believe that then when you see an indigent soldier think,

        ” may he happy, may he be well, may he be safe”

        think he is just another you.

      • just
        July 8, 2016, 11:37 am

        You are a most unfortunate and hateful (hate- filled)l person.

        (btw~I disagreed with the terror unleashed on Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine…. you, on the other hand, have no care for others. You only seem to want to be a persistent irritant with no allegiance to anyone or anything, including truth. I ‘ve guessed by now from your comments that you are proudly ‘white’ and in your PJs munching along while you giggle to yourself. Either way, you are immaterial.)

        #hasbara fail.

      • silamcuz
        July 8, 2016, 12:35 pm

        You are a most unfortunate and hateful (hate- filled)l person.

        Do I not have the right, as a human being, to hate rapists and murderers among other less than ideal characters?

        Are you wired in such a unique manner that you feel no hate towards those who destroy lives of others with utmost passion and eagerness only to satisfy their lusts?

        Seriously, unless you have experienced what the poor souls in Iraq and Afghanistan have, especially the children, you have no right to judge!

      • Annie Robbins
        July 8, 2016, 1:05 pm

        i don’t hate anyone, hate corrodes the soul. your presence here grosses me out.

      • silamcuz
        July 8, 2016, 1:14 pm

        i don’t hate anyone, hate corrodes the soul. your presence here grosses me out.

        I don’t buy it, but I respect your opinion.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 8, 2016, 1:21 pm

        if our archives weren’t erased one could access my opinion of hatred — many many times. hating is a worthless endeavor that weakens the warrior — or anyone consumed by it. your “not buying it” is irrelevant.

      • amigo
        July 8, 2016, 1:30 pm

        “i don’t hate anyone, hate corrodes the soul. your presence here grosses me out.” Annie.

        Old Irish saying !!.

        Ignore him .Second thoughts —dont even ignore him.

      • silamcuz
        July 8, 2016, 1:38 pm

        if our archives weren’t erased one could access my opinion of hatred — many many times. hating is a worthless endeavor that weakens the warrior — or anyone consumed by it. your “not buying it” is irrelevant.

        Forget about archives and you not feeling hate for random people who commit unjust acts on other random people is irrelevant.

        Are you saying, if a person specifically, calculatingly targeted you to commit acts of injustice on, with the full intent of getting away with it scot free, you will not feel hatred towards the said person? You will not be driven by hatred of what he did and his motivations for doing so, to seek justice for yourself and hold the person accountable for suitable punishment?

        I have a hard time believing this…even Jesus hated a bunch of people in his lifetime. Are you claiming you are holier than Jesus Christ??

      • Annie Robbins
        July 8, 2016, 3:18 pm

        don’t confuse or conflate ‘seeking justice’ with ‘hatred’. and no, i will not be driven by hatred — ever. i would rue the day i was ever so week as to succumb to being driven by hatred, it is difficult to even fathom.

      • Mr.T
        July 8, 2016, 2:35 pm

        “if our archives weren’t erased”

        I wonder if there is a way to obtain some of that material from Google. I know that if Google’s Cached pages of Mondoweiss pages predated the loss, they should includes comments, even where the Mondoweiss.net version of the pages do not. (I don’t have the technical know how to make any of that happen (or even if it could)… just thought I’d toss it out there… )

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 3:17 pm

        “Either way, you are immaterial.”

        “Silamcuz” is not being archived. Click his name.
        I think he (or she, who knows) is ushering himself out of here pretty quickly.

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 3:20 pm

        “Seriously, unless you have experienced what the poor souls in Iraq and Afghanistan have, especially the children, you have no right to judge”

        And, uh, what, if I might have the temerity to inquire, have you experienced which gives you the right to judge?
        Or is the right of judgement included in “not identifying as white?

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 3:26 pm

        “I don’t buy it, but I respect your opinion.”

        So, we can easily conclude, from the comments still available on the 100 comments archive, that you endorse hatred and violence as the means for “POC” to solve their problems with “those who identify as white”?

        Would you say today’s events in Dallas prove the efficacy of your contentions?

      • just
        July 8, 2016, 3:53 pm

        “Seriously, unless you have experienced what the poor souls in Iraq and Afghanistan have, especially the children, you have no right to judge!”

        Have you gained that terrible “right”? C’mon, be honest for a change.

      • silamcuz
        July 9, 2016, 2:01 am

        “So, we can easily conclude, from the comments still available on the 100 comments archive, that you endorse hatred and violence as the means for “POC” to solve their problems with “those who identify as white””

        I endorse people to be true to themselves, and never forgo your allegiance to anyone but God, regardless of your skin colour or station in life. If violence is what it would take for justice to prevail, to preach non-violence would be act of dissent against God himself. Likewise, to preach violence when violence would not lead to justice is also a punishable evil.

        Also, please remember that the people responsible for the worst crimes against humanity these days are exceptionally non-violent folks. Bush wasn’t a particularly violent person, nor was Blair yet could you find a violent person who’s responsible for more death and destruction than these guys?

      • amigo
        July 10, 2016, 10:05 am

        “I endorse people to be true to themselves, and never forgo your allegiance to anyone but God, regardless of your skin colour or station in life.” slmlacuz

        Houston !!, We have a problem.

        POC want a Black God. PONC , (that,s me ) and I demand a God created in my image and others desire a “Deity of many colours.

        Sounds as if we need a God who is a chameleon —a God who can easily change his/her/it,s colours .

        What gender/colour is your God, silmacuz. Are you created in his/her/it,s image.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2016, 1:29 pm

        “Sounds as if we need a God who is a chameleon —a God who can easily change his/her/it,s colours”

        “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”

        “If violence is what it would take for justice to prevail, to preach non-violence would be act of dissent against God himself.”

        We must honor this, it is the very definition of Jihad! Sacred.

      • amigo
        July 10, 2016, 3:33 pm

        “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” Mooser

        +10.

        Sorry for the delay in replying.I had to do a Jack in the beanstalk to find a reply button.

    • Mooser
      July 8, 2016, 2:34 pm

      “Lies”

      “MaxNarr” you are the best. It’s the economy of words that makes it pitch-perfect, too! You know how much to say and how much to leave to the reader’s imagination.

      Anyway, look, great job, “MaxNarr”. I’m not even worthy to praise you, but I hope I can appreciate the job you do!

  4. MaxNarr
    July 8, 2016, 2:41 am

    Annie, I’m not sure how your brief video of a routine arrest shows IDF are cowards. I think you will have to come up with better than that.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 8, 2016, 12:44 pm

      who said anything about cowards? the brief video is an example of “IDF has fought valiantly and courageously” because invading homes in the middle of the night to arrest children takes a lot of courage. who could possibly disagree with that? the israeli occupation forces are brave and moral, because there’s little in this life more challenging than heavily armed military forces manning a civilian population (defending themselves primarily with words and rocks) for decades after decades. if it weren’t for those decades ruling with an iron fist those brave soldiers would not be uniquely qualified to shoot children wielding knives. and think of the bravery it took to kill 13 yr old child Mahmoud Rafat Badran in a hail of bullets the other day — or that pregnant woman in hebron. why everyday it amazes me how much courage it takes to kill civilians. and what about bombing homes killing people sleeping in their beds in gaza, think about how valiant that is. who said anything about cowardly?

      • Kay24
        July 8, 2016, 2:07 pm

        Sounds like Max wants MDW commenters to come up with even more videos (plenty to choose from) showing how brutal the IDF is. Maybe we should consider it an invitation to do so.

        Here you go, two kids being shot by cowardly IDF snipers.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaibEqx2m_k

        Annie’s video was good enough, but apparently Max wants to see MORE.

      • MaxNarr
        July 8, 2016, 2:18 pm

        Hi Annie, those who attempt murder should be arrested no matter what the age. Kay24, I stopped watching when I saw that absolutely massive slingshot. Remember, a stone slung by such a large slingshot is a deadly weapon.

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 2:36 pm

        “Sounds like Max wants MDW commenters to come up with even more videos”

        Doesn’t it, tho?

      • Mr.T
        July 8, 2016, 3:35 pm

        “Hi Annie, those who attempt …” Wow, what a pretend concern for justice and law you express when you doesn’t apply it to Israelis.

      • Misterioso
        July 8, 2016, 6:16 pm

        Brava!! Right on the money!!!

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 6:22 pm

        “Remember, a stone slung by such a large slingshot is a deadly weapon.”

        Which can smash an armored car to smithereens, and exceed the range, accuracy, muzzle velocity and rate-of-fire of Israeli automatic arms.

        Why just think of the number of IDF troops killed by Palestinian slingshots! MaxNarr” what was that number…? I’ll wait, and include Zionist civilians if you like.

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 6:54 pm

        “Remember, a stone slung by such a large slingshot is a deadly weapon.”

        Apparently, some of the better Palestinian slingshot operators can bring down an F-16 on the wing, then drop down, turn around and take out a Meerkeva tank with a second shot.

      • eljay
        July 8, 2016, 9:09 pm

        || MaxNarr: … those who attempt murder should be arrested no matter what the age. … ||

        Funny, not long ago you were of the opinion that those who attempt murder should be summarily executed.

        You lack the courage to stand behind your hateful and immoral convictions. Captain Israel weeps. :-(

      • talknic
        July 9, 2016, 2:53 am

        @ MaxNarr July 8, 2016, 2:18 pm

        “Hi Annie, those who attempt murder should be arrested no matter what the age. Kay24, I stopped watching when I saw that absolutely massive slingshot. Remember, a stone slung by such a large slingshot is a deadly weapon”

        Odd that you express the same concerns Goliath ought have had before he was ‘murdered’

  5. Ossinev
    July 8, 2016, 1:02 pm

    @ Max Narr “Annie, I’m not sure how your brief video of a routine arrest shows IDF are cowards. I think you will have to come up with better than that”

    Max howszabout this = JSIL`s finest warriors “routinely “strutting their stuff – Hezbollah be warned !!

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/30/middleeast/west-bank-arrest-images-viral/

    • MaxNarr
      July 8, 2016, 2:08 pm

      Hi Ossinev, I don’t think using fake names on either side is helpful, both “JSIL” and “Crooked Hillary” are silly designations that only serve to confuse people and frankly look a bit loony.

    • MaxNarr
      July 8, 2016, 3:42 pm

      I’m sorry but there are 0 damning videos of IDF soldiers. There never has been one, and there never will be one.

      • Kay24
        July 8, 2016, 6:28 pm

        Aw poor Max, still in denial. Yes Max the IDF is the most moral and compassionate military force in the Middle East. Now go and tell your friends that you were able to convince us all, in true hasbara style that the IDF has been sadly misunderstood, and those videos are our imagination.
        Those videos are wrong, the UN is wrong, BTselem is wrong, the Red Cross is wrong, and so many other international bodies monitoring the situation in the Palestinian territories are all wrong.
        Max is right.

      • Mooser
        July 8, 2016, 6:31 pm

        “I’m sorry but there are 0 damning videos of IDF soldiers”

        Another words, you would like somebody to make a highlight reel of IDF atrocities?

      • Misterioso
        July 8, 2016, 6:31 pm

        MaxNarr

        You live in a Hasbara induced fantasy world.

      • MaxNarr
        July 8, 2016, 6:45 pm

        Hi Kay24. What videos? Yes the UN is wrong and yes B’Tselem is wrong. That goes without saying. But really. What specific videos are you referring to?

      • just
        July 8, 2016, 8:33 pm

        Try this one Max:

        http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IDF-soldier-who-shot-subdued-attacker-brought-to-detention-hearing-449178

        or many, many more like this:

        “Gaza beach bombing that killed four boys was legal, says Israeli army
        #GazaAftermath
        The killing of four boys on a beach in Gaza during summer 2014 was ruled as having met Israel’s laws by a military tribunal’

        http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-concludes-deadly-gaza-beach-bombing-was-legal-894438693

        I can and will go on and on and on…

      • MaxNarr
        July 8, 2016, 10:40 pm

        Hi just, I reviewed both the links you sent. The first looks like this was a terrorist who committed an attack with intent to kill, and through a heavenly reversal, was himself killed. This is the absolute best outcome in the face of a terror attack I’m sure you would agree?

        For the second link, it says right there “At the time that the decision was made, the attack was not, according to the assessment of the operational entities, expected to result in any collateral damage to civilians or to civilian property.”

        So that conforms with international law in times of war, although the incident is regrettable.

        I have been provided with 0 videos of “IDF brutality”

        The truth is there isn’t one. Even if you scour the web. Never has been. Never will be.

        Because it’s a blood libel.

      • Kay24
        July 8, 2016, 11:13 pm

        What videos? Max

        It looks like Max’s problem is not only in the mind, but also with vision.

        Yeah Max they are all wrong, and the zionists who occupy and steal lands are all right.
        Really, I don’t know why the UN, and international agencies are criticizing Israel’s occupation, massacre of civilians, and land theft. The zionists are so right in what they do.
        Did you forget to take your meds?

      • just
        July 9, 2016, 8:15 am

        Here you go, Max:

        http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/protective-edge

        Stay ignorant if you must. Most of us prefer sunlight. Cheerio.

      • Mooser
        July 9, 2016, 1:30 pm

        “The truth is there isn’t one. Even if you scour the web. Never has been. Never will be.
        Because it’s a blood libel.”

        And Israelis smoke lousy weed, and sell short lids.

      • amigo
        July 9, 2016, 2:37 pm

        “Stay ignorant if you must. Most of us prefer sunlight. Cheerio.” Just

        Just , you do know that anyone who tells the truth about Israel is a liar.This is the way zionits like max nurd get through the day. See no evil , hear no evil but speak evil.

        Max nurd has been very pensive lately.Must be the pressure is getting to him. His posts are ever more outlandish and brim full of self delusional hogwash.He is in for a very big let down some time in the not too distant future.

      • Mooser
        July 9, 2016, 3:38 pm

        “His posts are ever more outlandish and brim full of self delusional hogwash.”

        He knows the power of 200 million Jews cannot be denied!

      • inbound39
        July 9, 2016, 8:52 pm

        Max……the WHOLE WORLD watched the cowardly IDF drop White Phosphorous shells on the civilian population of Gaza during Cast Lead in broad daylight in violation of International Law.

      • echinococcus
        July 10, 2016, 12:50 am

        inbound,

        Whoa… slow down, you’ll make Max the Fool cry, you sadist.

  6. MaxNarr
    July 8, 2016, 6:25 pm

    On the other hand, content from hate-sites like this one only serve to spurn on more violence. How many glorious images of men and boy with GIANT slingshots are posted all of these pages like they are heroes. It’s PLO videos like these that spur on the murder of Jews. http://www.timesofisrael.com/fatah-tv-airs-cartoon-shows-jews-conspiring-with-the-devil/

    • Mooser
      July 8, 2016, 10:15 pm

      “MaxNarr”, you’re the top!

      You are ” tHE gHOST OF eUSTACE tILLY” and “Murrikan Patriot” of Mondo!

      And I deserved this. You’ve got more than economy of words in your satirical literary armory. “serve to spurn on more violence”. “glorious images of men and boy with GIANT slingshots…”

      You are the best! You have given those striving to create a parody-Zionist character a high, frankly, unattainable mark to shoot for- absolute perfection!

    • Talkback
      July 9, 2016, 3:44 am

      MaxNarr: “On the other hand, content from hate-sites like this one only serve to spurn on more violence.”

      Especially with hate comments like your “we will continue to massively settle the entire of Palestine, from the river to the sea” which amounts to declaring war crimes and the violence that comes with them.

      “It’s PLO videos like these that spur on the murder of Jews.”

      ROFL. As if the murder, expulsion and dispossession of Palestinians by Jews that comes with to “massively settle the entire of Palestine” wouldn’t do the job.

      • inbound39
        July 9, 2016, 8:58 pm

        The Israeli’s need no help. They bring the missiles from Gaza and any armed resistance upon themselves due to the illegal Occupation of Palestinian Land and theft of Palestinian Resources and control of Water and the slow motion genocide and daily oppression and forced subjugation of the Palestinian people. If Jews oppose the Holocaust and things like Auschwitz and Belsen and the Warsaw Ghetto then there should be no difficulty in understanding World and Palestinian opposition to Israel. It’s not Rocket science.

  7. Ossinev
    July 9, 2016, 7:45 am

    @MaxNarr
    “operational entities” !! Is that a a new loony term which JSIL Hasbara Central has circulated to its “operatives” or did you make it up all on your own.

    BTW the “loony” term JSIL was coined by Max Blumenthal = The Jewish State in Israel and the Levant
    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/suddenly-comparing-jewish/

    Which part of the term specifically do you find loony ?

    Is it the use of the word “Jewish” – perhaps you find that anti – semitic ? Your esteemed leader is absolutely insistent that Israel be referred to as a “Jewish” state. Perhaps you should contact his office if you disagree.

    Is it the word”state” as opposed to a “cult colony”. Perhaps you would prefer the Hebrew equivalent of “caliphate” whatever that is.

    Is it the word “Levant” perhaps. Are you confused as to the geography or would you simply prefer Jewish State in Europe for example. This among other things would help nail JSIL`s entitlement to compete in the Eurovision Song Contest

    Do please enlighten.

    BTW I don`t think have never referred to the overtly bought and bent Mrs Clinton as “crooked”. I think you are confusing me with Mr Trump.

    • MaxNarr
      July 9, 2016, 12:07 pm

      Hi Ossinev, People call Isis that name because that is what they identify as. For example, I still call Arabs in Judea and Samaria “Palestinians” I don’t call them PSIL or Fakestinians, or whatever.

      Simply I think it’s better to use commonly accepted nomenclature and not try to make up terms that no one will understand beyond the little bubble of this website. It looks crazy when you do that. You look like a nutter.

      Continuing on to the conversation above, posting links from the European funded group Breaking the Silence shows desperation on the part of Kay24 and others, especially since you fail to produce even one video in the history of the universe that proves IDF “brutality” there never has been one, there never will be one.

      • echinococcus
        July 9, 2016, 2:33 pm

        Hi, Narr (not the only one.)

        This is a miracle: I concur with a Narr:
        You “think it’s better to use commonly accepted nomenclature”; me too.

        According to commonly accepted nomenclature, you and your Zionist ilk are without any doubt criminals against peace and war criminals, international terrorists, common murderers, thieves, overblown bullies and pushy idiots.

        I must have forgotten a couple more commonly admitted names for what you have been abundantly proved to have done but we’ll skip these.

        There are also very abundantly documented names for the political characterization of your political tendency, but we’ll skip that, too, to avoid hyperventilating discussants and banning of historical terms. Let’s just call you Zionists.

      • eljay
        July 9, 2016, 3:46 pm

        || MaxNarr: … I still call Arabs in Judea and Samaria “Palestinians” … ||

        1. No, MaxLiar, when you refer to them directly you call them “so called Palestinians”.

        2. “Judea and Samaria” exist only in your Zio-fevered imagination.

      • MaxNarr
        July 9, 2016, 9:02 pm

        It looks like you guys are reverting to 100% personal attacks against me. This is because you have 0 evidence of IDF brutality, as was originally claimed.

        echinococcus, when I refer to commonly accepted nomenclature I mean to see refer to state or entity actors as their self defined name. I don’t mean to say that you can make accusations without a shred of evidence.

        Please provide evidence, whether it be from international law because Under UN Charter article 80, the entire of Palestine is Jewish land.

        Show me video evidence because claims of even a single video showing IDF brutality have been destroyed.

        Show me some historical evidence because Jews are native to Judea and Samaria. Natives have rights in their own land!

        On none of these fronts have you moved forward an inch because you have no substance. All you can do is attack me.

        Have you noticed I haven’t warped any of your names either? While you derisively mock my username? Check my post history. It’s just a derisive distraction to your lack up substance.

      • eljay
        July 10, 2016, 10:17 am

        || MaxNarr: It looks like you guys are reverting to 100% personal attacks against me. … ||

        It is not a “personal attack” to point out to a liar that he is lying.

        || … Jews are native to Judea and Samaria. Natives have rights in their own land! … ||

        There is a geographic region of Palestine (sub-divided into Partitions-border Israel and not-Israel) and all of its natives – non-Jewish and Jewish alike – had and have rights that hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists like you have stripped from them in the name of religion-based oppression, religion-based colonialism and religion-based supremacism.

        You’re a liar and a bad joke.

      • Mooser
        July 10, 2016, 12:13 pm

        “It looks like you guys are reverting to 100% personal attacks against me.”

        Let’s not mince words “MaxNarr”! You are being persecuted! I say it once, I say it 6 million times: PERSECUTED!!
        And, it is very clear you are being persecuted solely for being Jewish.

        Anyway, good luck to you. It’s a hell of a situation.

      • Mr.T
        July 10, 2016, 12:14 pm

        “in Judea and Samaria”

        If you hate fake names so much, why do you use these fake names for the West Bank?

      • Mr.T
        July 10, 2016, 12:18 pm

        “Jews are native to Judea and Samaria the West Bank.”

        Not in the sense you mean, they’re not. They’re descend (culturally, at least) from people who lived in the West Bank thousands of years ago. That doesn’t make Jews today native of the West Bank anymore than all humans are “native” to Eastern Africa.

        “Natives have rights in their own land! ”

        Right, and the foreign Israelis are stripping the native Palestinians of their rights in their own land.

      • kev
        July 10, 2016, 12:30 pm

        It’s a shame, MaxNarr, that others here were not able to shut down your stupid claims that there are 0 videos of IDF brutality. I felt it necessary to take up their slack. Let me know whether you can come up with ANY justification why shooting a bound, blindfolded Palestinian at short range is not an example of IDF brutality.

      • MaxNarr
        July 10, 2016, 2:09 pm

        Hi Kev, sorry but your “evidence” video has the camera looking away at the critical moment. Maybe show a video that is full, uncut, and actually has the camera facing the scene at the moment you claim something happened?

        Hi sorry, I had to edit this. It’s a PLASTIC bullet dude!

        THAT is your claim of IDF brutality?

        There are ZERO videos of IDF brutality and this silly video with comments disabled and a giant cut in the middle with the camera not even focused on the action and the narrator even admitting its a rubber bullet with the “victim” perfectly fine after.

        WOW!

        Nice evidence of IDF brutality.

      • MHughes976
        July 10, 2016, 2:58 pm

        The question of who is ‘native’ depends on what the word means. I take those ‘native’ to a place to be those individuals born there. The term ‘Judaea and Samaria’ has no biblical authority except in Acts, where it clearly, echoing the usage of the older scriptures, refers to two distinct entities. The Samaritans were not Judahites (Jews).
        If we are talking about aboriginal peoples, ie earliest known sets of inhabitants, possibly with no war or conquest in their background, the Bible is emphatic that the Israelites were not such. They were immigrants who dispossessed, expelled and killed many, many who had never done them any harm. Their possession of territory was not by normal rules but by God’s unique dispensation, declared to be for the good of all in the end.

      • echinococcus
        July 10, 2016, 3:02 pm

        Hey, Narr:

        You can’t make any “personal attacks” on someone who calls himself Narr and writes the out-of-this-world sh|t you write about the Zionists. Way out, man. This is beyond acid! Looks like you have been in the Zionist bubble from birth. Pulling you out of it is impossible; besides it would be cruelty to our dumb friends.

      • kev
        July 10, 2016, 3:20 pm

        Hey MaxNarr…. Did the IDF officer shoot the bound, blindfolded Palestinian captive? While he was standing there, already subdued, no threat to anyone? I don’t care what type of bullet it was… it caused the captive pain, it was unnecessary, and it was brutal. Sorry, but you lose. And this isn’t the only video showing the brutality of the IDF.

        Even the IDF was forced to charge and convict the officer and commander in this assault, though they were only charged with “conduct unbecoming”, which shows what Israel thinks about assaulting Palestinians… not really illegal, just distasteful, right? You know that at short range, those bullets not only cause pain (hence their deterrent effect), but can cause death or the loss of an eye, right? But it’s okay if the victim isn’t a Jew, right? If he was Jewish, you’d be screaming about how the Jews are always the victims.

      • MaxNarr
        July 10, 2016, 5:52 pm

        Hi Kev, I have no way of knowing because the video is cut and editing so that part is cut out. Please provide another video beyond claims of “a bruise”. That shows “IDF brutality” Sorry bud, but “A bruise” doesn’t cut it :)

        Must be a brutal bruise!! Silly edited video without any veracity, and no evidence with claim of a rubber bullet and a simple bruise. lol.

        You have nothing. There has never been, and never will be a video of “IDF brutality”

      • echinococcus
        July 10, 2016, 11:23 pm

        Narr,

        What’s the idea? Since when does anyone have to convince a Zionist-bred-and-trained, proudly self-named Fool of what the whole (normal) world has known to satiety? You don’t like it, go back to your kosher Kindergarten teacher.

        Guys: it’s just like with the Yahoo: the more you feed him, the worse it will get.

      • echinococcus
        July 10, 2016, 11:42 pm

        Hughes,

        Thanks for the wake-up note. Really, how come they are claiming Samaria? What the ***? Even as late as Jesus’ time, that was clearly non-Jewish and pariah. Of course, their claiming Palestine is more ridiculous, but it would be interesting to know what they imagine as a claim to Samaria.

      • kev
        July 11, 2016, 7:41 am

        MaxNarr,

        “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”
        You’ve closed your eyes to the brutality of the IDF and of the occupation because it doesn’t fit your ideology.
        You whine about the “potentially deadly” throwing of rocks, but pass off the shooting of a bound and blindfolded Palestinian with a rubber bullet at close range, unnecessarily, as being no big deal. “None so blind…”

  8. Ossinev
    July 10, 2016, 7:56 am

    @MaxNarr
    ” People call Isis that name because that is what they identify as. For example, I still call Arabs in Judea and Samaria “Palestinians” I don’t call them PSIL or Fakestinians, or whatever.

    “Simply I think it’s better to use commonly accepted nomenclature and not try to make up terms that no one will understand beyond the little bubble of this website. It looks crazy when you do that. You look like a nutter”

    I suppose if you live long enough a religious nutter will call you a nutter. I do hope that your namesake the Max who first used the term will read this and be similarly uplifted by your on the hoof pscyhoanalysis. You obviously think that you are gifted in this area.

    As for commonly used nomenclature by Judea and Samaria I assume you mean the occupied Palestinian territories as is commonly used by all of the world community including your good buddies in the US.

    Anyway JSIL it is for me and your great leader will be disappointed that one of his many minor minions is in effect undermining his efforts to get his lovable little colony recognised by the everyday man in the street as “Jewish”.

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