‘Power is what matters’: Alt Right leader Richard Spencer explains his admiration for Trump and Israel

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A specter is haunting Cleveland, the specter of the Alt Right.

The Alt Right in the United States is a small but growing intellectual movement that seeks to resist the dilution of “White” people, both as a matter of biology and an imagined culture pale people share. They see the United States and Europe as the natural realm of white people. Unlike the Nazis, who argued for the extermination of other races, the Alt Right denies White Supremacy by saying they just want their culture for themselves. It’s predicated upon the notion of separating people based on appearance and ancestry.

Richard Spencer, an author and activist associated with the Alt Right movement, is one of the people lending intellectual legitimacy to the Donald Trump campaign.  Spencer and his ilk envision a world where Europeans have control over their own geographic region, somewhere, and other colors of human beings are kept out by force to maintain a “monoculture” for light skinned people.

Articulate and casually dressed, they don’t look like Nazis. They look just like anybody else.

Spencer also has a complex conceptual relationship with Israel. He admires Israel as striving for a “monoculture” and its aims at racial purity but he disdains the Israel lobby. He’s much less ambivalent about the Official Republican Party Presidential Candidate Donald Trump, nominated officially Wednesday. “Trump is a peace candidate,” Spencer proclaims.

On the day the RNC began, Spencer made no bones about it.

“Trump’s convention has been about Being and Death,” Spencer tweeted, a cryptic nod to 20th century German philosopher Martin Heidegger. “He is the greatest man in my lifetime #RNCinCLE.”

Spencer’s is one of the brighter stars in the philosophical firmament above Trump’s teeming audience, to whom Trump promises to win big. The left laughs at Trump, and perhaps imagines humor will defeat him in November. Or something. But Spencer’s bio boasts a masters from the University of Chicago. They aren’t just giving those out to anybody. Spencer is smart, sure, why not, but being smart doesn’t produce good ideas. Isaac Newton was smart but he spent half of his career tinkering around with alchemy which is total bullshit. The Alt Right is political alchemy. Huffing a brown paper bag of mercury or lead would achieve the same effect.

There is a reason you should fear men like Spencer: They lend an intellectual element to the Trump campaign, which has distinguished itself with a number of boneheaded typos. Spencer is well spoken, and a great propagandist when speaking to someone he can distract with meaningless historical analogies to Rome, which he imagines as the perfect White Empire.

Of course, he’s completely wrong about that. Romans came in all kinds of colors and languages, but the social construct that mattered back then wasn’t race, it was religion. Race only started to matter in something resembling modern way after the Transatlantic slave trade began. Many slaves in the Roman world were fair skinned. Ausonius has a whole poem about a German servant girl he really dug. The Romans had captured her in conquering a slice of Europe. Gross and creepy on Ausonius’s part, but those were gross and creepy times Spencer romanticizes.

When I mentioned Augustine of Hippo, a Christian Roman sage and one of the pillars of what’s called Western philosophy, hailed Carthage, a place in North Africa where people are sometimes tan, Spencer rejected the assertion.

“Carthage is a White area,” he said, despite its being in Africa, in modern day Libya.

The Alt Right tries hard to sound smart, but its ideas are based on shockingly little real information, no matter how intricate and highfalutin they appear to be.

Richard Spencer, and friend Nathan Damigo at right, debate with an Abraham Lincoln impersonator outside the RNC. (Photo: Wilson Dizard)

Richard Spencer, and friend Nathan Damigo at right, debate with an Abraham Lincoln impersonator outside the RNC. (Photo: Wilson Dizard)

Spencer is a confident and fairly friendly activist who has been hanging out at the RNC giving interviews to reporters who came for mass arrests and mayhem that never materialized. He also has credentials to enter the inner sanctum. He is so confident that he even told a fellow Trump supporter who disagreed with him that he was smarter than him.

“I’m smarter than you, go away,” Spencer said. The man shuffled off. I continued the interview.

Spencer and others in the Alt Right ponder intelligence from the perspective of “race” as the most important signature of human identity. Indeed, the reason I started talking to Spencer, unknown to me but very Internet famous in some circles, were just a few words that caught my ear.

“…they generally have lower average IQs, but that’s not the point…”

So then we started talking. As I do in most of these interviews I brought up Israel eventually, but before we got there, Spencer made several points that echo the Israeli right-wing worldview. Another reporter asked him about the constitutionality of some Trump proposals, like banning Muslims from the country or ending birthright citizenship.

“Who cares? The whole point is that we’ve got to survive. Whether something is constitutionally legal I could give a shit to be honest. Survival is more important than law. You can always find a lawyer that will agree with your interpretation,” he said, admitting that Trump couldn’t say the same thing. “It’s not that big of a deal.”

“Power is what matters,” he added.

He also takes the same tact as Israel does when it comes to prohibiting Arab and Muslim immigration to the United States. He says that the government could pay them to leave, or that “we could create the conditions to make them want to leave.”

“What if they have to go back to countries where they could be killed?” I asked.

“Tough shit,” he replied, without hesitation.

I asked him what he thought about Islam and Muslims, and if he had any Muslim friends.”No, but I know enough from reading about Islam to know that it’s at war with the West,” he said. He considers Islam a militant religion bent on global domination.

“You mean like white people,” said an African American woman passing by, whom Spencer had engaged in conversation by noting her “sassy black lady look.”

He chuckled at her quip.

In the name of defeating militant Islam, Israel is no stranger to wanting to kick out even non-Arab visitors, penning Sundanese migrant laborers in in cages in the Sinai, awaiting deportation. When it comes to Palestinians, it’s rather obvious that making life unbearable for Palestinian people is an attempt to make them want to leave on their own accord.

“I respect Israel as a homogenous ethno-state, but I hate the meddling of the Israel lobby in American politics,” he said.

Many Alt-Right types feel that the United States’ system of expensive foreign entanglements are the source of our problems abroad. Israel is one of them.

As Israel is supposed to be for the Jews, so too are the United States and Europe, ideally in Spencer’s view, supposed to be for White people. I tried to argue that Europe has lots of distinct ethnic and religious and local loyalties, and Spencer acknowledged that as a hurdle.

“White people have to come together,” he said. “Race is the most important aspect of identity.”

Spencer will admit it: he’s afraid. He’s worried about crime and immigration. He’s worried that the all White ethno-state will never exist.

What’s the source of this fear? I don’t think Spencer thinks he’s the bad guy. But he sure is afraid, just like earlier incarnations of fascists were afraid of the decadent, “mongrelized” cultures of city life. Just as people during the West’s industrial revolution moved from small towns into big cities, bigger and more complex metropolises than ever have existed before, they encountered people of many different backgrounds. Because our brains are set on paranoid by evolution, people developed a primitive shorthand for telling friend from foe: skin color and hair and eyes, ancillary attributes that reveal nothing of the content our character.

“Black people have a strong sense of their culture,” lamented Nathan Damigo, one of Spencer’s pals.

The African American woman, a psychotherapist, was not buying Spencer’s lines about not being a Nazi.

“You’re a Nazi,” she said in a polite way.

I caught up to her afterwards and asked her for her thoughts about men like Trump having Spencer behind them.

“I feel helpless. They’re in control and there’s absolutely nothing I can do,” she said. “If there’s something I can do, I haven’t discovered it.”

Political alchemy like Spencer’s discovers nothing and threatens to erode rights for all. Remember, in Roman times, Spencer’s ideal, slaves came in all colors.

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  1. klm90046
    July 22, 2016, 2:03 pm

    Persuade this guy to take a DNA test. With so much historical intermingling of races, chances are he will show up to be a mischling. What’s he gonna do then? Where will he go? Whom will he harangue?

  2. klm90046
    July 22, 2016, 2:15 pm

    “I respect Israel as a homogenous ethno-state, but I hate the meddling of the Israel lobby in American politics,” he said.

    So, Mr Know-all, where would Israel be without the Lobby? Back in Germany, which inflicted the great genocide? Or in Poland or Russia, well known for their pogroms? Or maybe in Brooklyn?

    He obviously doesn’t know if he’s wearing his pants back to front.

    • glorie
      July 23, 2016, 4:52 pm

      So you share Spencer’s belief in ethnostates, just disagree with his criticism of the Israeli lobby?

      Interesting.

      Are French or Germans or Poles who want their historic homelands to remain predominantly French or German or Polish racist bigots?

      You can’t support a Jewish ethnostate in Israel and at the same time condemn those who want the same for France or Germany or Poland etc as racist xenophobes – well, you can, but not without being a total hypocrite.

      • echinococcus
        July 23, 2016, 5:26 pm

        OK, perhaps no one told you about the world outside the Zionist bubble. France, Germany and Poland are inhabited by people who were there ancestrally, plus immigrants who gained citizenship by adapting and conforming to the local rules, formulated under the sovereignty of the local people.

        Nothing in common or even remotely comparable to the alien pirate state of the Zionist entity on Palestinian territory. Don’t even mention on the same page.

      • Mooser
        July 23, 2016, 10:10 pm

        “You can’t support a Jewish ethnostate in Israel and at the same time condemn those who want the same for France or Germany or Poland etc as racist xenophobes”

        And nobody here supports a Jewish ethnostate in Palestine.

      • Mooser
        July 23, 2016, 10:13 pm

        “Are French or Germans or Poles who want their historic homelands to remain predominantly French or German or Polish racist bigots?”

        Just happened to lookup the population of France yesterday. Over 66 million people. You think 66 million Muslims are going to move there?
        I think it will be “predominantly” French for some time to come.

    • Annie Robbins
      July 23, 2016, 5:06 pm

      So you share Spencer’s belief in ethnostates, just disagree with his criticism of the Israeli lobby?

      hmm, quoting someone doesn’t mean one shares that sentiment. and i am not sure how you would have come up w/this conclusion based on what klm wrote. please explain your remark.

      You can’t support a Jewish ethnostate in Israel and at the same time condemn those who want the same for France or Germany or Poland etc as racist xenophobes – well, you can, but not without being a total hypocrite.

      maybe you were just building this strawman argument.

      • glorie
        July 23, 2016, 5:45 pm

        She quotes Spencer saying he respects Israel as an ethnostate but resents the Israeli lobby, then criticizes only his dislike of the Israeli lobby, which she defends by saying that it is essential to Israel’s existence.

        It seems pretty clear to me that she supports an ethnostate in Israel and therefore at least so far as ethnostates are concerned she is on the same page as Spencer.

        There is no strawman argument in my post. I never claimed that klm opposed ethnostates in Europe; I merely stated that if you support an ethnostate in Israel you can’t then turn around and critique supporters of European ethnostates as racist and xenophobic. It was a caveat not a strawman.

        Klm can speak for herself as to what her view on supporters of European ethnostates is. Hopefully she is consistent. I have found that in most csses, Zionists are not consistent on this question; they zealously support the existence of a Jewish ethnostste while condemning those who wish for European countries to maintain their historic ethnic character.

      • MHughes976
        July 24, 2016, 1:54 pm

        I took Klm (not aware of klm’s gender) to be arguing that it is illogical to have respect, as Spencer claims to have, for something based essentially on unjust means – Spencer evidently regarding the Lobby as an unjust thing. I don’t think admiration is expressed by Klm for euro-style, often anti-Semitic, nationalism. Glorie is right to say – do I get this right? – that the kind of nationalism that lays enormous stress on ancestry, or some surrogate for ancestry, is wrong whether it takes Zionist or anti-Semitic form.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 24, 2016, 2:10 pm

        then criticizes only his dislike of the Israeli lobby, which she defends by saying that it is essential to Israel’s existence.

        i agree w/mhughes that klm was “arguing that it is illogical to have respect, as Spencer claims to have, for something based essentially on unjust means” also, i don’t think klm (who of course can speak for his/her self but not sure they are around or aware of this conversation) was “defending” the israel lobby (see here: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/democratic-palestine-cornel/#comment-847092). making the point israel probably wouldn’t exist without the lobby points out the juxtaposition and contradiction of spencers views. i also do not see where, as glorie claims, klm “share Spencer’s belief in ethnostates” or supports “a Jewish ethnostate in Israel”.

        if one checks klm’s archive (click on name for commenter proflie), one can observe a tendency to use sarcasm to make a point. and definitely not a supporter of zionism (ethnic nationalism).

        and this btw, is sarcasm:

        Mr Know-all, where would Israel be without the Lobby? Back in Germany, which inflicted the great genocide? Or in Poland or Russia, well known for their pogroms? Or maybe in Brooklyn?

      • klm90046
        July 25, 2016, 2:55 pm

        Thank you Annie and the gang, including glorie, for the interesting debate.

        English is not my first language so I sometimes get misunderstood. My apologies. And this is not sarcasm!

      • Annie Robbins
        July 25, 2016, 3:06 pm

        my pleasure klm!

      • glorie
        July 28, 2016, 5:43 pm

        @MHughes976: Yes, you understood me correctly; the kind of nationalism that lays enormous stress on ancestry, or some surrogate for ancestry, is wrong whether it takes Zionist or anti-Semitic form.

        @Annie Robbins: You are correct; I misinterpreted Klm’s post so far as support for a Jewish ethnostate is concerned. Thank you for the clarification.

        @Klm: You actually write very well; I simply misunderstood part of your post. I understand your point and agree with it.

      • klm90046
        July 29, 2016, 1:14 am

        Glorie, you’re an awesome gal–or is it guy? I’m a guy.

      • glorie
        July 30, 2016, 12:10 am

        I’m a gal Klm! I apologize for assuming you were a gal (I saw “klm” as “kim”!)

  3. oldgeezer
    July 22, 2016, 3:06 pm

    Alt right… such a harmless sounding name for a white supremacist. There are no differences between this vile belief system and zionism other than the favoured group. Truly despicable.

    • eljay
      July 22, 2016, 4:06 pm

      || oldgeezer: … There are no differences between this vile belief system and zionism other than the favoured group. Truly despicable. ||

      Yup. Spencer is as confident and self-righteous about his brand of injustice and immorality as Zio-supremacists and Islamofascists are about theirs, and he very likely despises the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality just as much as they do.

      Birds of a hateful and immoral feather…

  4. MHughes976
    July 22, 2016, 5:24 pm

    I’m not quite persuaded that Mr. Spencer is more than a minor eccentric. But thanks for drawing attention to Ausonius’ Bissula – looking it up, I thought it formed an interesting counterpart to the Deuteronomy passage about captive women we’ve been discussing on some threads.

  5. Keith
    July 22, 2016, 5:53 pm

    RICHARD SPENCER- “I respect Israel as a homogenous ethno-state….”

    Israel is somewhat racially diverse with a manufactured ethnicity. This guy doesn’t know what he is talking about, nor, I suspect, does he care. His ideology is calculated to provide career oportunities within the white supremacy niche, nothing more. The only reason I bother to respond is that it provides an opportunity to link to an Uri Avnery article on CounterPunch which I found interesting. The glue which binds Israelis together is hatred of Arabs and war.

    “The Zionist perception that all Jews are the same, with slight differences of language and skin color, is anachronistic. The “oriental” Jews show no inclination to being thrown into any melting pot. They are different in almost all respects.

    The melting pot is broken. Oriental Jews (often falsely called Sephardis) are proud of their heritage. They rebel against European superiority.

    This fight now dominates Israeli life. No area of life is exempt from it. It is social, economic, cultural, political – often hidden behind a different facade, but there all the time.” (Uri Avnery) http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/22/the-great-rift/

    • glorie
      July 23, 2016, 5:17 pm

      Zionist/Israeli propagandists are actually very sensitive about ethnic divisions amongst Jews; its something they endeavor to sweep under the rug.

      Historically, and especially after WW2, Jews and non-Jews alike generally eschewed the notion that Jews represented a race or ethnic group. Indeed the suggestion that Jews are an ethnic group with a distinct genetic signature was often regarded as anti-Semitic; the polite narrative was that Jewish identity is entirely a matter of religious belief, not ethnicity (like Presbyterians or Catholics etc).

      In recent years however many prominent Jews have proudly called attention to the supposed remarkable genetic similarity amongst all Jews (Ashkenazi, Sephardic, or Mizrahi/’Oriental’).

      [Well, all except for Ethiopian Jews of course; they are quick to point out that Ethiopian Jews are descended from converts of course.]

      As to the genetic similarity of Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Mizrshi (or ‘Oriental’) Jews, if you know anything about inferring ethnic ancestry from DNA it’s a bit like looking for images in clouds. What you see depends a lot on how you choose to interpret the data, and it is an area uniquely vulnerable to conscious or unconscious bias.

      Pro Israeli media tend to report on findings that show the various Jewish communities as being closely related and ignore those that do not (i.e. they think it’s “good for the Jews” – and for Israel).

      I think a little common sense goes a long way here. The differences in phenotype between Ashkenazi and ‘Oriental’ Jews are far more dramatic than those between Europeans. There are Ashkenazi who look like Swedes and many are pale skinned and fair haired while there are ‘Oriental’ Jews that could pass for Pakistani. There is obviously a significant difference in the genetic heritage of these groups.

      • Mooser
        July 23, 2016, 9:42 pm

        “There is obviously a significant difference in the genetic heritage of these groups.”

        So one might think, but the Jewish gene is inherited independently of any particular physiognomy. Either you got it, or you ain’t. There will be no more getting by on looks! Or just answering “Horowitz” to all questions.

      • Keith
        July 24, 2016, 4:31 pm

        GLORIE- “Historically, and especially after WW2, Jews and non-Jews alike generally eschewed the notion that Jews represented a race or ethnic group.”

        The early Zionists applied a racist definition to “Jewishness,” frequently referring to the unalterable nature of Jewish blood versus German blood, etc. Jabotinsky was notorious for this. Much of what they said was hardly different from the racist ravings of the Nazis. This notion of inherent Jewish uniqueness remains strong in Zionist ideology.

      • Mooser
        July 24, 2016, 9:03 pm

        “Keith”, whenever I think about stuff like the Jewish identity, I try to distinguish (although they can be related for elites) between identities people adopt or modify for themselves, and identities imposed on people by a more powerful force.

      • glorie
        July 28, 2016, 6:39 pm

        @Mooser: “So one might think, but the Jewish gene is inherited independently of any particular physiognomy. Either you got it, or you ain’t. ”

        You are correct to a degree. There isn’t any such thing as a “Jewish gene”. In terms of DNA, Jewish ancestry is inferred by the presence of genes found frequently in known ethnic Jewish ethnic populations.

        None of these are exclusive to Jewish populations; they are just far more common among Jews than non-Jews. It’s a matter of inference to best explanation based on empirical statistical analysis rather than a matter of a genetic Jewish ‘watermark’.

        For example, it’s a common misconception that “only Jews get Tay Sachs” or “only Ashkenazi Jews have the defective BRCA genes associated with breast cancer”; this is absolutely NOT the case. It IS true however that these genes -though rare in all populations – are far more common amongst certain Jewish populations.

        Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Mizrahi Jews do indeed typically have a significant Levantine signature in their DNA consistent with a common origin in the Levant that roughly corresponds to the Biblical time frame.

        However these groups also have tons of diaspora DNA, and scientists interpretations of just how much ancient Levantine DNA versus more recent diaspora DNA is present in the various Jewish ethnic populations varies wildly.

        So there are “Jewish genes” in the sense that there are genes that occur much more frequently amongst Jewish populations than non-Jewish populations. However, if you are a full blooded Swede with a well documented family tree going back hundreds of years with no known ethnic Jewish ancestors, you may still be determined to be part Ashkenazi by one of these popularly marketed DNA tests if you carry one or more of these genes found most commonly amongst Jews.

        Doesn’t mean you necessarily have Jewish ancestry.

        So it’s complicated. There is undoubtedly a portion of the DNA of ethnic Jews that reflects common descent from an ethnic population. There are also genes that are found amongst Ashkenazi but rarely among Sephardic or Mizrahi, and genes found amongst Sephardic Jews rarely seen in Ashkenazi and Mizrahim etc.

        My point is not that there is no such thing as ‘Jewish genes’ per se (in a sense there are), but all Jews have lots of ‘non-Jewish diaspora DNA’ as well.

      • Mooser
        July 29, 2016, 11:12 am

        “You are correct to a degree.”

        I was convinced I had Tay-Sachs and merited a prescription, but then Washington State legalized completely and it wasn’t an issue.

      • Mooser
        July 29, 2016, 11:33 am

        “glorie”, I have had extensive genetic testing, some of it very expensive, and have been assured my genes are about 82.4% Jewish, and for somebody brought up Reform, that’s pretty darn good.
        No, it’s not great, but we all must learn to accept our deficiencies.

      • glorie
        July 30, 2016, 12:07 am

        Appreciate your sense of humor Mooser!

      • Mooser
        July 30, 2016, 11:33 am

        “Appreciate your sense of humor Mooser!”

        Dad, I’m serious!

        (Thanks, “glorie”)

  6. gamal
    July 22, 2016, 6:14 pm

    “one of the people lending intellectual legitimacy to the Donald Trump campaign”

    I believe the instruction is stick your head between your knees and kiss your arse goodbye, “intellectual legitimacy” in terms of which discipline?

  7. Talkback
    July 22, 2016, 11:24 pm

    If Spencer was Jewish he would be the Justice minister of Israel.

  8. Qualtrough
    July 23, 2016, 3:01 am

    “You’re a Nazi,” she said in a polite way.

    There is a a polite way to call someone a Nazi?

  9. Marnie
    July 23, 2016, 3:30 am

    The united states is stuck with this particular rotten apple, just like we’re stuck with A. Shaked. She’d probably really dig Spencer for his proud white boy thing but alas he is off the menu for this kosher only position.

    Just the name ‘Alt Right’ reeks of a white supremacist movement. The masks are off for good.

    What a sorry state of affairs the world is in.

  10. RoHa
    July 23, 2016, 5:44 am

    “The left laughs at Trump, and perhaps imagines humor will defeat him in November. Or something. ”

    It will be the usual rigging of the voting machines.

    • glorie
      July 23, 2016, 5:23 pm

      Rigging of voting machines to defeat Trump or elect him?

      • RoHa
        July 23, 2016, 9:20 pm

        Hillary’s people will be rigging the machines to defeat Trump. Republicans will be rigging them to defeat Hillary. Whoever has the best hackers wins the election.

      • echinococcus
        July 24, 2016, 12:29 am

        “Whoever has the best hackers wins the election.”

        Which would be one of the few (or only) points differentiating the two parties. As such, I would applaud that. May the best hacker win.

  11. RoHa
    July 23, 2016, 5:49 am

    “Romans came in all kinds of colors and languages, but the social construct that mattered back then wasn’t race, it was religion.”

    Could you unpack this claim a bit? The Romans were, in general, pretty easy-going about religion. But loyalty to Rome was important.

    • glorie
      July 23, 2016, 4:42 pm

      It’s also rather a stretch to say “Romans came in all colors”. The Roman Empire consisted of roughly half of Europe, Mediterranean North Africa and the Near East. The population of these areas are Caucasian (some swarthier, some paler, but Caucasian nonetheless). I know it’s become trendy on the left, particularly in the UK, to pander to Afrocentrist fantasies about an ancient Rome in which black Africans figured prominently, but it’s utter nonsense.

      • Marnie
        July 24, 2016, 1:05 am

        “I know it’s become trendy on the left, particularly in the UK, to pander to Afrocentrist fantasies about an ancient Rome in which black Africans figured prominently, but it’s utter nonsense. ”

        There are millions of people who believe the way the history of the world as it has been told and continues to be told up to this minute has been nothing but pandering to eurocentrist fantasies and is total bullshit.

      • RoHa
        July 24, 2016, 6:45 am

        “There are millions of people who believe … total bullshit. ”

        There are millions of people who believe total bullshit.

        People may believe it, but it ain’t necessarily so. History as traditionally told in China, and as told now, is astonishingly Sinocentric. But when told in Turkey, it turns out to be quite Turcocentric. And told in America, quite a lot of it seems Americocentric.

        (Here, of course, we know that the only bits worth noticing are the Australiocentric bits. That means we can cover all necessary history in twenty minutes and then move on to something important, like beer.)

        So of course a lot of history is Eurocentric, but that doesn’t make it fantasy, any more than the Sinocentric history is fantasy.

        As for the specific issue, there were black Africans in the Roman Empire, but they did not play a particularly prominent role. But in the streets of the Empire, pale, red-haired, Britons and Germans rubbed shoulders with swarthy, black-haired Syrians and Libyans. (And often more than just shoulders. Quite few people seem to have been of mixed race.) Many were slaves; many were citizens. The important thing was not race, but it was not religion either. It was loyalty to Rome.

      • Marnie
        July 24, 2016, 11:10 am

        RoHa – yes, we all have our versions.

      • Keith
        July 24, 2016, 3:02 pm

        ROHA- “So of course a lot of history is Eurocentric, but that doesn’t make it fantasy, any more than the Sinocentric history is fantasy.”

        Had Marnie said myth-history rather than fantasy, she would have been spot on. History as taught in the primary schools involves a significant misrepresentation of events in order to make the tale consistent with the prevailing ideology. This ongoing misrepresentation of historical reality beyond normal bias, either wittingly or unwittingly, is an integral part of social control. This is one reason why people tend to place way too much emphasis on the political system which is currently subservient to the economic system, finance capital in particular. An honest discussion about power and social control is not in the interest of the elites. And professional historians rarely rock the boat with unacceptable views. That is why some of the best radical history comes from people like Chomsky or Shahak.

      • Marnie
        July 25, 2016, 12:23 am

        I wrote millions when billions is more accurate.

  12. Kay24
    July 23, 2016, 6:52 am

    Accusations of being anti-semitic because she criticized Israel and the occupation which might be creating a generation of terrorists with a justified grudge:

    Israel accused of creating a ‘generation of terrorists with a justified grudge’ by Lib Dem peer

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-isis-creating-terrorism-baroness-tonge-liberal-democrat-a7150161.html

    it is obvious that the causes of hatred for us, the reason for attacks against Western nations, are NEVER discussed. I have yet to hear an American leader question or examine why we are now the target of hatred. What have we done, or keep doing, to bring this on ourselves?
    Those who are bright enough to suggest it is our sick relationship with Israel, are immediately called anti-semitic.

  13. Sulphurdunn
    July 23, 2016, 11:19 am

    The bar for what passes as a conservative intellectual has fallen mighty low in this country.

  14. Hemlockroid
    July 23, 2016, 2:30 pm

    ‘ethno-state’ = Blood & Soil

  15. WH
    July 23, 2016, 4:22 pm

    “I’m smarter than you, go away,” Spencer said.

    Sounds like an obnoxious14-year-old brat.

  16. glorie
    July 23, 2016, 4:34 pm

    Carthage was not in present day Libya but Tunisia. The indigenous population of North Africa are olive skinned Caucasians, not black Africans. In terms of phenotype North Africans look very similar to Southern Europeans.

    Spencer is just as confused as the author though since he claims Carthage was a white area though doesn’t consider their present day descendants (Tunisians) white.

    • Marnie
      July 24, 2016, 6:54 am

      The whitewashing of Africa, or pandering to eurocentrist fantasies, continues. A process that probably began when Napoleon B. invaded Egypt and had the African nose blown off the sphinx.

      • RoHa
        July 24, 2016, 9:48 am

        So the 15th Century account by al-Maqrizi, which says that Muhammad Sa’im al-Dah had the nose chopped off, is not true? When, before Napoleon was born, Frederic Louis Norden made sketches showing a noseless Sphinx, he was predicting the future? That single, well-aimed, cannon shot left marks of drilling?

      • Marnie
        July 24, 2016, 11:08 am

        RoHa – since you didn’t leave a link, I found this. Hardly the last word, but interesting.

        What happened to the Sphinx’s nose? | Blog – Smithsonian Journeys
        http://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/…/photo-what-happened-to-the-s

        “Legends have passed over hundreds of years regarding the simple omission in this photograph of the Sphinx and the Pyramid of Khafre, part of the Giza Pyramid (or Great Pyramid) complex in Egypt. Where is the Sphinx’s nose? Many of us have heard the tale that a cannonball fired by Napoleon’s soldiers hit the nose and caused it to break off. Sketches of the Sphinx by the Dane Frederic Louis Norden were created in 1737 and published in 1755, well before the era of Napoleon. However, these drawings illustrate the Sphinx without a nose and clearly contradicts the legend. So what really happened?

        The Egyptian Arab historian al-Maqrīzī wrote in the 15th century that the nose was actually destroyed by a Sufi Muslim named Muhammad Sa’im al-Dahr. In 1378 CE, Egyptian peasants made offerings to the Great Sphinx in the hope of controlling the flood cycle, which would result in a successful harvest. Outraged by this blatant show of devotion, Sa’im al-Dahr destroyed the nose and was later executed for vandalism. Whether this is absolute fact is still debatable.”

  17. JLewisDickerson
    July 23, 2016, 4:46 pm

    RE: “The Alt Right is political alchemy. Huffing a brown paper bag of mercury or lead would achieve the same effect.”

    MY COMMENT: Don’t forget the aerosol spay paint and/or airplane (model) glue. A Freon® chaser might also be nice. And then, there’s always the choking/hanging game.
    The more brain damage, the better; I always say!

    ???????????? Inhalant – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhalant

    ???????????? Short- & Long-Term Inhalants Effects on the Brain – http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/inhalants/effects.html

    ???????????? Choking game – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choking_game

    ???????????? Hanging craze sweeps schools: Parents warned teens are risking lives by taking part in dangerous new game – http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hanging-craze-sweeps-schools-parents-5804696

  18. JLewisDickerson
    July 23, 2016, 5:49 pm

    RE: “Richard Spencer, and friend Nathan Damigo at right, debate with an Abraham Lincoln impersonator outside the RNC. (Photo: Wilson Dizard)”

    MY POINT OF INQUIRY: Would that be a certain “Flashy Haircut” Damigo? Enquiring minds mimes want to know!℠

    ■ Big Nazi on Campus: How Racists Rallied at UC Berkeley with Police Protection – https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2016/05/15/18786407.php

    P.S. Lol @white supremacists trying to make the world feel sorry for themhttp://www.thecoli.com/threads/lol-white-supremacists-trying-to-make-the-world-feel-sorry-for-them.365670/

  19. Wilburn Sprayberry
    July 24, 2016, 12:51 am

    As other commenters have noted, Richard Spencer is right and the author is wrong about Carthage being a white area in the time of St. Augustine – it was. Additional facts the author should know but doesn’t:
    –the founding population of Carthage were Phoenicians (also caucasians), as Carthage was originally a colony of Phoenicia.
    –Carthage was destroyed by the Romans after the 3rd Punic War and its population massacred or sold into slavery. Afterwards, the Roman colony of Carthage was founded nearby which was populated by Romans and other Italians, all of whom were caucasian – white. These are the people from whom Augustine was descended.
    –the Roman Empire itself was overwhelmingly white in racial composition, although it had racial minorities, much like the United States did before the Immigration Act of 1965 began the transformation of America from an overwhelmingly white nation into one which will be “majority-minority” in 30 years or so.

    So Richard Spencer’s analogies aren’t so farfetched after all.

  20. JLewisDickerson
    July 24, 2016, 4:09 am

    RE: “Spencer also has a complex conceptual relationship with Israel. He admires Israel as striving for a ‘monoculture’ and its aims at racial purity but he disdains the Israel lobby.” Dizard

    MY COMMENT: I predict that eventually (perhaps in 15-30 years or so) there will be a fairly complete fusion between the neo-Nazis and the Likudnik, Revisionist Zionists.

    SEE: “Zionism and the Ethnic Cleansing of Europe”, by Siddhartha Shome, Stanford University, 2014

    [EXCERPTS] The Holocaust was by far the worst genocide in human history and has understandably attracted much scholarly interest. However, the Holocaust did not happen in isolation. As the term ‘final solution’ indicates, it was intended as the culmination of a broad effort to ethnically cleanse(1) Europe of its Jews – an effort that preceded the Holocaust and continued even after it ended. This paper argues that in a curious ideological relationship, Zionists(2) and their supporters embraced much of the ideological framework of European anti-Semitism, and, except for its most intense manifestation in the form of genocide, implicitly endorsed the effort to ethnically cleanse Jews from Europe and make Europe judenrein (free of Jews). . .

    . . . Zionism arose in Europe within the milieu of völkisch and ethnic nationalism and in reaction to the racist anti-Semitism that accompanied it(6). Instead of directly challenging the core ideological assumptions and narratives of völkisch nationalism, mainstream Zionists(7) sought to find an accommodation that would carve out a secure niche for Jews within the overall framework of völkisch nationalism. In so doing, Zionists, whether out of genuine convictions or otherwise, seem to have accepted and even internalized some of the core values and assumptions of völkisch nationalism. Jews, claimed the Zionists, constituted a nation, or a ‘Volk,’ united by ties of blood, with its national homeland located in Eretz Israel (the land of Israel). The solution to the ‘Jewish problem,’ they declared, lay in transferring the diaspora Jewish population to their national homeland, the only place where Jews could establish the organic blood-and-soil links necessary for any nation to flourish. Theodor Herzl, considered by many to be the father of the Jewish state, believed that European anti-Semites and Zionists would cooperate with each other to advance their mutually complementary goals of cleansing Europe of its Jews and transferring the Jewish population to Eretz Israel. Partly quoting Herzl, one author describes Herzl’s reasoning,

    [Herzl] predicted that the anti-Semites would be Zionism’s best supporters: “the Government of all countries scourged by anti-Semitism will be keenly interested in assisting us to obtain [the] sovereignty we want.” … Furthermore, “honest anti-Semites … will combine with our officials in controlling the transfer of our estates.” … He unapologetically affirmed: “The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies.” (Massad 178)

    In the early years of the Third Reich, Zionists were quite eager to cooperate with the Nazi regime, even though its anti-Semitic credentials were never in doubt. The most famous example of the Nazi-Zionist cooperation is the Haavara Agreement, which facilitated the transfer of German Jews to Palestine. There were many other avenues for cooperation as well. In Eichmann in Jerusalem, Hannah Arendt quotes Hans Lamm, a leading member of the German Jewish community, “it is indisputable that during the first stages of their Jewish policy the National socialists thought it proper to adopt a pro-Zionist attitude” (Arendt 58). Arendt then goes on to explain why this was so:

    It was in those years a fact of everyday life that only Zionists had any chance of negotiating the German authorities, for the simple reason that their chief Jewish adversary, the Central Association of German Citizens of Jewish Faith, to which ninety-five percent of organized Jews in Germany then belonged, specified in its bylaws that its chief task was the “fight against anti-Semitism”; it had suddenly become by definition an organization “hostile to the State.” (Arendt 58)

    What is unsaid, but implied in Arendt’s comments, is that the Zionists did not consider the “fight against anti-Semitism” their chief task, and perhaps, not their task at all.

    According to the logic of Zionism, the root cause of Jewish suffering was not anti-Semitism per se, but the Jewish exile from their national homeland. In this view, anti-Semitism was no more than the inevitable consequence of the Jewish exile, which had severed the organic bond between the Jewish people and their homeland, and had eroded the Jews’ moral fiber, reducing them to a ‘parasitic’ existence, thereby arousing the ill-will and hatred of their ‘host nations.’ The Zionists thus accepted and endorsed the notion, advanced by völkisch anti-Semites, that Jews in Europe were alien parasites. The Zionists then called upon Jews to rectify this dire situation by ‘returning’ to their homeland, shedding their ‘parasitic’ disposition, and becoming self-reliant and valorous farmers and warriors. David Ben-Gurion describes the task at hand:

    The very realization of Zionism is nothing else than carrying out this deep historical transformation occurring in the life of the Hebrew people. This transformation does not limit itself to the geographical aspect, to the movement of Jewish masses from the countries of the Diaspora to the renascent homeland – but in a socioeconomic transformation as well: it means taking masses of uprooted, impoverished, sterile Jews, living parasitically off an alien economic body and dependent on others – and introducing them to productive and creative life, implanting them on the land, integrating them into primary production in agriculture, in industry and handicraft… (Avineri, 200) . . .

    Works Cited

    ● Arendt, Hannah. Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil. New York: Penguin, 2006. (First published 1963.) Print.
    ● Avineri, Shlomo. The Making of Modern Zionism: The Intellectual Origins of the Jewish State. New York: Basic Books, 1981. Print.
    ● Bassin, Mark. “Blood or Soil? The Völkisch Movement, the Nazis, and the Legacy of Geopolitik.” How Green Were the Nazis. Ed. Franz-Josef Brüggemeier, Mark Cioc, and Thomas Zeller. Athens, OH: Ohio UP, 2005. 204-242. Print.
    ● Berkowitz, Michael, and Brown-Fleming, Suzanne. “Perceptions of Jewish Displaced Persons as Criminals in Early Postwar Germany.” We are Here: New Approaches to Jewish Displaced Persons in Postwar Germany. Ed. Avinoam Pratt and Michael Berkowitz. Detroit: Wayne State UP, 2010. 167-193. Print.
    ● Cohen, Rich. Israel Is Real: An Obsessive Quest to Understand the Jewish Nation and its History. New York: Farrar, Strauss and Giroux, 2009. Print.
    ● Harutyunyan, Arus. Contesting National Identities in an Ethnically Homogeneous State: The Case of Armenian Democratization. Diss. Western Michigan University, 2009.
    ● Massad, Joseph. The Persistence of the Palestinian Question: Essays on Zionism and the Palestinians. New York: Routledge, 2006. Print.
    ● Mosse, George. The Crisis of German Ideology: Intellectual Origins of the Third Reich. New York: Grosset and Dunlap, 1964. Print.
    ● Segev, Tom. The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust. Trans. Haim Watzman. New York: Henry Holt, 2000. Print.

    Endnotes

    1 – “Ethnic cleansing” is used here to mean the forced or induced removal of people belonging to a particular ethnic group from some territory, by virtue of their ethnicity.
    2 – “Zionist” is used here to mean someone who actively supports the establishment of a Jewish national home in Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) and endorses the notion that ethnic Jews should make Aliyah, i.e., move to this national homeland.
    3 – Before the establishment of the state of Israel, “yishuv” was a term used to refer the body of Jews living in Palestine.
    4 – Anti-semitism in other European countries was based on similar assumptions and narratives as in Germany, but nowhere was it as intense.
    5 – While völkisch nationalism, as described here, was specific to Germany, it may be viewed as the most extreme expression of a broader phenomenon: ethnic nationalism. Many countries in Europe experienced their own versions of ethnic nationalism, which shared many features with German völkisch nationalism, such the glorification of a national folk culture. Like German völkisch nationalism, these other forms of ethnic nationalism were influenced, directly or indirectly, by German Romantic thinkers of the eighteen and nineteenth centuries.
    6 – This is not to suggest that the development of Zionism was an exclusively German phenomenon. Zionism, in its early stages, was greatly influenced by German völkisch nationalism and was dominated by German speaking Jews (the official language for the first few Zionist congresses was German). However, Zionism was also embraced by Jews in other places, particularly those living in Eastern Europe, where local versions of ethnic nationalism influenced early Zionists. It is interesting to note that Theodor Herzl’s seminal book Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) received a much more enthusiastic reception in Eastern Europe than in German speaking areas. An example of an early Eastern European Zionist is Ze’ev Jabotinsky, who grew up in Odessa in Ukraine. Jabotinsky was an ardent admirer of Ukrainian ethnic nationalism, even though it promoted anti-Semitism, and praised Ukrainian ethnic nationalist leaders including Symon Petliura, thought to have been involved in anti-Jewish pogroms. In a tribute to the Ukrainian nationalist poet Taras Shevchenko, Jabotinsky recognized that Shevchenko had “all the defects involved in nationalistic attitudes, including explosions of wild fury against the Poles, the Jews and other neighbors,” but praised him nevertheless, for having “given to his people, as well as to the whole world, a clear and solid proof that the Ukrainian soul has been endowed with talent for independent cultural creativity, reaching into the highest and most sublime spheres” (Avineri 170-171).
    7 – There were many varieties of Zionism. The term “mainstream Zionism,”, as used here, includes what are commonly known as Labor Zionism (David Ben-Gurion) and Revisionist Zionism (Ze’ev Jabotinsky).
    8 – Many scholars have challenged the historical validity of notion that all modern Jews are closely related by descent to the Biblical Jews of Eretz Israel. For instance, Israeli historian Shlomo Sand has argued that today’s Jews are much more closely related to non-Jewish Russians, Poles, etc., than to the Biblical Jews, and that Palestinian Arabs are likely to be much more closely related by descent to the Biblical Jews than most Israeli Jews.

    ENTIRE PAPER (PDF) – http://www.academia.edu/16928242/Zionism_and_the_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Europe

  21. Kay24
    July 24, 2016, 10:37 am

    Apparently thousands of British Muslims protested ISIS and the violence, but the media was not covering. Not a word about it here in the US media. When will the MSM take some responsibility and do some honest reporting? There are many ignorant people here, and the media must at least report the truth.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-anti-isis-march-not-covered-by-mainstream-media-outlets-say-organisers-a6765976.html

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 25, 2016, 7:59 pm

      RE: When will the MSM take some responsibility and do some honest reporting? ~ Kay24

      ???????????? EMINEM ANSWERS (IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE):
      . . . Yo I’m into voodoo, tarot cards and ouija boards
      Lighting candles camping out at haunted beach resorts
      I write the dark sh^t, and rap about perverted violence . . .
      . . . I got a new watch and two rings with huge rocks
      This rap sh^t got cash coming out the blue like nude cops
      I use to sell pizza’s, now I got twelve Visa’s [i.e., bank credit cards]
      So tell jesus I’m gonna quit sinning when hell freezes
      [chorus]
      That’s why my brain is out of order
      That’s prolly why my nights are getting colder and my days seem shorter
      But as the world turns and I keep growing older
      I be living this hip hop till hell freezes over
      B^tch till hell freezes over
      I be living this hip hop till hell freezes over
      And as the world turns and I keep growing older
      I’ll be living this hip hop till hell freezes…over . . .

      SOURCE: Eminem – Till Hell Freezes Over Lyrics (x-rated) | MetroLyrics – http://www.metrolyrics.com/till-hell-freezes-over-lyrics-eminem.html

      ■ Eminem – Till hell freezes over – Unreleazed (EXPLICIT LYRICS!!!) [VIDEO, 03:16] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb3hjBEgprA

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