Let’s talk about Russian influence

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Over the weekend there was a lot more talk about Donald Trump and his operatives loving Russia, and about how Vladimir Putin wants Trump to win. “The hand of the Kremlin has been at work in this campaign for some time,” Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager said on ABC.

The Russian influence must be true, because it’s all over our media; but you can be sure it’s only half true because they’re saying it so loud. The other half of the truth is that Russia is going to lose, big (because the media are talking about it and because Trump is going down). And the media have a guilty conscience, because they know the U.S. power structure is beholden to Israel, but they can’t talk about that foreign influence.

No one talks about the hand of Israel; but Hillary Clinton promises her biggest donor, Haim Saban, whose one issue is Israel, that she’ll work against the boycott campaign and she’ll meet Benjamin Netanyahu in her first month of office: the same Netanyahu who tried to undermine our president’s signature foreign policy achievement by speaking and lobbying Congress under the president’s nose, Netanyahu who said that America could be easily moved, Netanyahu who pushed the Iraq war in 2002 to transform the Middle East, even as Hillary Clinton was voting for that war.

The latest batch of Clinton emails show that then-Secretary of State Clinton was shuffling her schedule to meet with big Clinton Foundation donors who care about Israel. “I’m on shuttle w Avigdor Liberman…. I want to stop by to see hrc tonite for 10 mins,” wrote one of them.

When Donald Trump tried to take a “neutral” position on Israel, Hillary Clinton told the leading Israel lobby group AIPAC that he had “no business” being president and she was going to take the relationship with Israel “to the next level.”

When Bernie Sanders tried to stake out a neutral position on Israel, Clinton’s catspaw at the DNC, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, complained privately, “The Israel stuff is disturbing.” Or as Anne Lewis, Clinton’s political guru who is also a Zionist, said, “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel.”

Both Clinton, this summer, and Obama, four summers ago, squashed the party’s grass roots when they made a move to change the party platform on Israel, because the nominees worried about losing big Jewish Zionist donors– whose influence over the Democratic party is “gigantic” and “shocking,” JJ Goldberg and Stephane Schriock of Emily’s List said this spring.

So Clinton made sure that the word “occupation” didn’t appear in the platform, in this the 50th year of the occupation. Just as Neera Tanden, the Clinton aide who heads a Democratic Party thinktank, censored articles that were critical of Israel; and a few months later the authors of those articles were no longer employed by her thinktank; and meantime Tanden kissed up to Benjamin Netanyahu, at the very time that he was undermining President Obama on the Iran deal, and months after he had used racist appeals– “Arab voters are coming out in droves”– to win another term.

But let’s talk about Russian influence.

It has now been ten years since The Israel Lobby paper was published in London– not here, because it couldn’t be published here. Notwithstanding the article and book’s impact, it’s a shadow impact; everyone in the shadow of the establishment has read it and everyone in the establishment has read it too, but with a plain brown cover on it, as Colin Powell’s former chief of staff joked. Because to be in the establishment you must deny its importance. The Atlantic, which commissioned and killed the original paper, continues to publish Jeffrey Goldberg, who once served in the Israeli military, and who helped give us the Iraq war with bad reports in 2002, and who tried to undermine the Iran deal and who calls the fascistic defense minister Avigdor Lieberman by his nickname “Yvet” and the milquetoast centrist Yitzhak Herzog by his nickname “Boogie.”

And everyone in American public life calls the fascistic prime minister of Israel by his nickname, Bibi. Including PBS. I don’t know what Vladimir Putin’s nickname is, and I don’t want to know.

The central idea of the Israel lobby is simple and it has been confirmed a hundred times but the media will never report it directly. Here it is: United States support is an existential issue for Israel; but non-Jewish voters and leaders cannot be counted upon to love Israel on their own, and therefore the tiny American Jewish community must speak in one voice and (unified checkbooks) to persuade American leaders that it’s in the U.S.’s best interest to do so.

Israel supporters confirm this idea again and again. “What keeps me up at night is the dependence of Israel on the United States” —Abe Foxman.  “American Jews had a deferential attitude toward Israel. They saw their job to support Israel, to provide Israel with financial and political support it asked for” — Dov Waxman, scholar. “Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel.” –the late neocon godfather Irving Kristol. “We [Jews] don’t need to be advocates for Palestinians. We need to be advocates for Israel… because the essence of Zionism is… you [Jews] shape your destiny, you don’t let others do it” — perennial White House aide and peace processor-charade leader Dennis Ross.

So the Emergency Committee for Israel, a group started by Kristol’s son’s Bill, gives Arkansas Rep. Tom Cotton nearly $1 million so he could become Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton after just two years in the House and then lead the charge against the Iran deal.

But let’s talk about Russia’s influence.

Israel’s influence has distorted our politics for nearly 40 years. Tom Friedman told a British interviewer that George W. Bush abandoned the peace process because he saw his father take on the Israel lobby and lose a second term. Tom Friedman said the Congress is “bought and paid for” by the Israel lobby. Tom Friedman told an Israeli interviewer that if you had put 25 neoconservatives on a desert island in 2002, we wouldn’t have had an Iraq war.

But Friedman never wrote about the lobby head on, a dereliction of duty if ever there was one. It is just too embarrassing or hurtful to talk about the role of Zionist Jews in US public life. The idea has to be suppressed because a, we all know that there is a dual loyalty element implicit in Zionism and talking about the lobby brings up the whole international-Jew canard; and b, the lobby has been effective by working behind the scenes as a “nightflower,” so its purpose is defeated when people talk about it and everyone gets to weigh in. But if you don’t talk about it, then everyone just accepts it as the given of the American power structure, which is where we are now. Chris Matthews is constantly doing Irish Catholic identity politics when Irish Catholic Americans come on his show, but he’s afraid to say boo about the powerful pro-Israel Jews who own/run his employer Comcast, the largest media company in the country– Brian Roberts who participated in the Maccabee Games in Israel and David Cohen who once headed the local Jewish Federations.

From the start, empowered Jewish journalists denied that there was a lobby or it was powerful. Jeffrey Goldberg told the Center for Jewish History that it was no different from the ball-bearings lobby. David Remnick made the joke that if there wasn’t an Israel lobby, Osama bin Laden would be able to go back into the construction business. And meanwhile he was publishing Jeffrey Goldberg’s reporting about Saddam’s links to Al Qaeda and Saddam’s acquisition of WMD that helped the US get into Iraq. Why did Goldberg push this stuff? Was it out of concern for Israel? There’s never been an accounting.

And three years after his Osama joke, Remnick gave an interview to a Hebrew publication in which he acknowledged that the American Jewish community had sustained the occupation:

How long can you expect that they [US Jews] will love unconditionally the place called Israel? You’ve got a problem. You have the status of an occupier since 1967…. Sorry, it can’t go on this way. The  Jewish community is not just a nice breakfast at the Regency.

But like Friedman, Remnick doesn’t publish this analysis under his byline. It’s out of the side of his mouth. He knows there’s a price to be paid. With the exception of Yousef Munayyer, Remnick publishes Zionists – people like Ari Shavit, who works for AIPAC and lobbies Jewish kids on campus, and David Makovsky, of the AIPAC spinoff WINEP, who has said that checkpoints won’t be so burdensome when Israel uses “appropriate biometrics” for Palestinians in those lines. The magazine’s go-to reporter on Israeli political trends is Bernard Avishai, who’s very good, but let’s be clear– a cultural Zionist.

If you don’t like Russia, you can surely still make your way in public life, but if you don’t like Israel, it’s a CLM, as they say at Goldman Sachs. Career Limiting Move. When Jim Clancy accused pro-Israel groups of doing “hasbara,” or PR, around the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris, he lost his job at CNN. When Jimmy Carter accused Israel of practicing apartheid, he got attacked on air by Wolf Blitzer and Terry Gross and was exiled from the Democratic Convention.

And four reporters at the New York Times have had kids in uniform for Israel, including columnist David Brooks, the go-to pundit on NPR and PBS who said after his dozenth trip to Israel that he is “gooey-eyed” about Israel. And the New York Times bureau chief in Israel lives in an addition to a house that was stolen from a prominent Palestinian journalist in 1948; and that journalist’s daughter the physician and activist Ghada Karmi has written and spoken about visiting that house to try and overcome her pain; but one thing you can be sure of: That story won’t be in the New York Times. Josh Marshall will tell you all about Russia influencing Trump, and meantime he names his baby after an Israeli war hero, but ho hum

But let’s talk some more about the Kremlin.

The media is all about how much money Paul Manafort got from the Ukrainians, but the media won’t tell you that the two guys advocating the bombing of Assad in the New York Times work at a thinktank, WINEP, that the Israel lobby group AIPAC spun off, and one of those authors has called for American Jews to be “advocates for Israel,” not for Palestinians. It won’t tell you that Sheldon Adelson regrets wearing an American uniform, and wished he was wearing an Israeli uniform.

It will never put all the facts together and name the trend, as I am doing here right now, out of my back pocket. So I remember that Samantha Power once described the Israel lobby as “a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import,” and as a result had to make the execrable rabbi Shmuley Boteach her consort in the rightwing Jewish community, so as to get the lobby’s approval for her appointment to the U.N. job.

And that Chuck Hagel once said that “the Jewish lobby intimidates people” on Capitol Hill, and he almost didn’t become Defense Secretary because of that, and his grilling by the Senate resulted in a Saturday Night Live sketch that didn’t air in which Hagel was asked if he would “fellate a donkey for Netanyahu.”

That’s one good thing, everyone is now in on the joke. Even if the media can’t discuss it, everyone knows it. Our system is rigged.

But enough about all that. Let’s talk about Russian influence.

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  1. hophmi
    August 23, 2016, 11:52 am

    Let’s cut and paste our previous posts and complain endlessly about a small country that has little influence on world affairs, instead of my friends the Russians, the world’s largest country with a population of 143m people that has the world’s second largest nuclear arsenal, runs an antisemitic TV statiom, RT, that features Holocaust deniers, and is allied with Iran, a US enemy that is a chief state sponsor of terrorism.

    Clearly, the tiny state of Israel is more important than our Cold War and increasingly, our current enemy, Russia.

    Clearly, it’s important for BDS activists to stand with Bashar al-Assad, continuing the tradition of standing up for genocidal dictators so long as they’re opposed to Israel or the United States or both. Clearly, it’s important to stand with Putin, another dictator, who killed tens of thousands of Muslims in Chechnya, acquiesced in the killing of hundreds of thousands more in Bosnia and Kosovo, and currently engaged in the killing of hundreds of thousands right now in Syria.

    But let’s talk about Israel.

    • eljay
      August 23, 2016, 12:13 pm

      || hophmi: … Clearly, the tiny state of Israel is more important than our Cold War and increasingly, our current enemy, Russia. … ||

      The way politicians, the media and Zio-supremacists tell it, nothing in the world matters more to the world than the “Jewish State” of Israel.

      || Clearly, it’s important for BDS activists to stand with Bashar al-Assad … Clearly, it’s important to stand with Putin, another dictator … ||

      It’s important to stand with those who advocate justice, accountability and equality. The leaders of Syria and Russia do not, and neither does the leader of Israel (or any other Zio-supremacist in the world, for that matter).

    • Krauss
      August 23, 2016, 12:22 pm

      The issue is the Israel lobby and its influence on American policy, not whether Israel is more powerful than Russia as a country.

      You’re slipping in your desperate hasbara, hophmi. Keep it up.

      • Citizen
        August 25, 2016, 3:35 pm

        @ Krauss. Yes. BTW, Israel, the size of NJ, has the 4th most powerful conventional military in the world, thanks to US tax dollars. And Israel’s nuclear weapons are as state of the art as the USA’s. Israel remains the sole nuclear armed state in the entire Middle East, always THE geostrategic arena. Unlike Iran, it is not a member of NPPT, so nobody monitors, inspects its nuke stockpile and activity.

      • RoHa
        August 25, 2016, 6:23 pm

        I’m a bit dubious about this “4th most powerful conventional military” claim. China, Russia, and the US are the current big three, but India, both Koreas, Japan, and Turkey are pretty big hitters as well. Does Israel really outrank them?

      • Mooser
        August 25, 2016, 9:46 pm

        “Does Israel really outrank them?”

        Sure, assuming Israel takes no, or very few casualties in the war. And the war doesn’t last very long, more than a week or two.

    • inbound39
      August 23, 2016, 1:40 pm

      It is no surprise hophmi is first of the rank when his sweet and innocent Israel is spoken about truthfully. Really get’s him squirming in his seat. Truth hurts. What Israel engages in is purely and simply called subterfuge. It actively works at undermining the American Government and relieves it of as much finance as it can for a smaller cash outlay. It’s soul purpose is to get Americans and British people to die fighting its wars to destabilise the Middle East so it can retain control and continue stealing land. If that makes Hophmi proud then it says a lot and nothing Hophmi says can defend what Israel is doing or has done. It serves only to prove further the illegitimacy of Israel and the serious threat it has become to America…..it is sending America broke.

      • xanadou
        August 27, 2016, 9:41 pm

        Inbound,

        – to be fair, the US is sending itself broke no thanks to the 1000+ military bases around the planet, endless wars fought in countless countries, the massive military complex that is manufacturing so much expensive crap, such as the $1T+ fighter jet that will never fly a mission – that it has to make a gift of military war gadgets, free, to the US cops. Add to that the generous subsidies and other favours paid the US corporations, etc., ad nauseam. Israel is an expensive client, but is nowhere in the top of the list.

        The US national debt to GDP ratio is currently at 105.08%. Anybody taking bets when this moloch will collapse?
        http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    • Blownaway
      August 23, 2016, 1:42 pm

      Israel as a sovereign country can do anything it wants in the world including abuse The US in any way it’s allowed to, what it can’t do is deny and occupy another nation

    • marc b.
      August 23, 2016, 2:50 pm

      actually the article is about American foreign policy interests and objectives and whether the media should be colluding with elements of the US government and others who are fomenting a hot war with a country which has ‘the world’s second largest nuclear arsenal’. (and what exactly is an ‘increasingly current enemy’?)

    • RoHa
      August 23, 2016, 5:39 pm

      “our current enemy, Russia.”

      Not my current enemy. Russia hasn’t done anything to me recently. What has Russia done to make it your enemy, hophmi?

      • Mooser
        August 23, 2016, 8:45 pm

        “What has Russia done to make it your enemy, hophmi?”

        They sent a coffee urn into space. I heard Judy Garland singing about it.

      • Talkback
        August 24, 2016, 2:58 pm

        RoHa: What has Russia done to make it your enemy, hophmi?

        It’s not a Jewish settler colonial state and has no significant Jewish lobby.

      • hophmi
        August 29, 2016, 12:19 pm

        War crimes in Chechnya. Threatening the stability of our allies in Europe through oil blackmail and pressuring of pro-Western leaders in FSU states. Killing thousands of innocent people in Syria. Selling nuclear technology to Iran. Russia is a dictatorship where dissenters are regularly murdered.

      • eljay
        August 29, 2016, 2:39 pm

        || hophmi: War crimes in Chechnya. Threatening the stability of our allies in Europe through oil blackmail and pressuring of pro-Western leaders in FSU states. Killing thousands of innocent people in Syria. Selling nuclear technology to Iran. Russia is a dictatorship where dissenters are regularly murdered. ||

        Nothing that a friendly, state-sponsored indoctrination tour visit can’t fix.

      • Keith
        August 29, 2016, 3:20 pm

        HOPHMI- “Russia is a dictatorship where dissenters are regularly murdered.”

        Hoping to get a job in a Victoria Nuland neocon dominated State Department? Boy, would you fit in! Perhaps you would get lucky and be sent to the Ukraine where you could rub elbows with all of those neo-Nazis who think just like you. Be sure to say hi to Ihor Kolomoisky, the Ukrainian Jewish oligarch who finances these neo-Nazi terrorist thugs responsible for the Odessa massacre and other crimes in that CIA run country.

      • echinococcus
        August 29, 2016, 5:26 pm

        Threatening the stability of our allies in Europe through oil blackmail and pressuring of pro-Western leaders in FSU states. Killing thousands of innocent people in Syria. Selling nuclear technology to Iran. Russia is a dictatorship where dissenters are regularly murdered

        You know, I am about to change my opinion of Hophmi.
        Looking at the above, one starts thinking that, impossible but true, he is not even pretending to be severely handicapped –what if he just were?
        I mean, it would in principle be impossible, but nothing is beyond the limits of a Zionist. After all, they swallow Zionism.

      • MHughes976
        August 29, 2016, 6:23 pm

        There is a good review by David Edgar in a recent London Review of Books of recent books on Ukraine, very much leaving the impression that there are evil forces on both sides, but that the fascist element in Ukrainian nationalism is now doing ‘hearteningly badly’. Mind you, the fact that there are evil forces at work in the anti-Putin parts of Ukraine does not show that evil forces are not at work in Putin’s Russia, of which I am wary, though I also think that Clinton’s hostility to Russia has done significant damage.

    • Cazador
      August 24, 2016, 8:51 am

      What is he looking at, Bibi nutayahu? Has he been separated from his wife by the Israeli justice department already? I guess he doesn’t care very much about his international reputation for total ridiculous excess in well informed milieux.

      • eljay
        August 24, 2016, 10:51 am

        || Cazador: What is he looking at, Bibi nutayahu? … ||

        Forbidden fruit.

    • Theo
      August 24, 2016, 9:31 am

      Hophmi

      “our current enemy Russia, (and I add here the name of Putin)”

      Let´s say that I am in the position of knowing the situation, both military and political, between Russia and the West.
      There is an army of ignorant individuals in the west who still doesn´t realize that the old SU is gone since 25 years, it fell apart into 16 individual countries! Russia has less than 150 million inhabitants facing about a billion western citizens who have the mightiest military, the most sophisticated weapons, the most aggressive political institutions and the press. Yet there is not a single day goes by that we do not hear or read how dangerous and aggressive Russia and its leader Putin is.

      Putin annected the Crimea after its main naval base was in danger of falling into the hands of ukranian ultra right fascist bands, however only after good 80% of the population voted for it.
      We cry foul and demand a withdrawal, although the Crimea never belonged to Ukraina until Hrushchev decided to move borders illegally, without the consent of the High Soviet.
      We took the Kosovo from Serbia with force, after we bombed them for weeks, killing hundreds of civilians. According to our politicians and press it was legal and according to internantional laws, although that area belonged to the serbs for over a thousand years!

      We have angst of the russian military, yet is was the NATO who moved to the russian borders, (by the way breaking a silent agreement), have military exercises near to those borders, naval exercises on the Baltic and Black Sea. Russia has such exercises only on their own territory,

      Our politicians and the press keep us in constant fear, so they can wage unnecessary wars, spend huge amounts on unnecessary weapons. We have no enemy who could attack us now or in the near future. Russia will not do it, they have a history of being attacked by the present NATO lands, like Germany, England, France, Turkey, the good old USA and our ally Japan!

      This is not to support Russia in any way, but to be fair. Not the Russians, but we, the NATO countries, who are the ones of creating international stress and financing and aiding wars in previous soviet territories, like Georgia, Ukraina, etc.
      Just like Hitler said on Sept. 1, 1939: “now we shoot back on the polish border”, after the german army already invaded that country!

      • Tuyzentfloot
        August 24, 2016, 10:47 am

        Just like Hitler said on Sept. 1, 1939: “now we shoot back on the polish border”, after the german army already invaded that country!

        And he added “And those who hesitate to respond to this foreign aggression are just a bunch of Chamberlains!” Not many people know that.

      • hophmi
        August 29, 2016, 12:28 pm

        “Let´s say that I am in the position of knowing the situation, both military and political, between Russia and the West.”

        I say nothing of the sort unless you provide some proof of why I should believe that.

        ” There is an army of ignorant individuals in the west who still doesn´t realize that the old SU is gone since 25 years, it fell apart into 16 individual countries!”

        I’m aware of basic history. I’m also aware that since that time, Russia has sought to create a sphere of influence in these states, and that Putin has long spoken of the importance of a strong central government and of re-establishing Russia’s status as a major power.

        “Russia has less than 150 million inhabitants facing about a billion western citizens who have the mightiest military, the most sophisticated weapons, the most aggressive political institutions and the press. Yet there is not a single day goes by that we do not hear or read how dangerous and aggressive Russia and its leader Putin is”

        There are plenty of articles available that discuss the military prowess of the United States.

        “Putin annected the Crimea after its main naval base was in danger of falling into the hands of ukranian ultra right fascist bands, however only after good 80% of the population voted for it. ”

        Sure, because invasion and annexation is totally ok as long as ethnic Russians live there. This is exactly the philosophy Nazi Germany used to annex the Sudetenland. It’s not like we live in a world of nation-states. You sound like a Russian shill, dude.

        “We cry foul and demand a withdrawal, although the Crimea never belonged to Ukraina until Hrushchev decided to move borders illegally, without the consent of the High Soviet. ”

        Yeah, yeah, old history, but frankly, we live in a world where there is plenty of history like this. Crimea is part of the Ukraine. Russia doesn’t get to just take land that it thinks belongs to Russia just because.

        “We took the Kosovo from Serbia with force, after we bombed them for weeks, killing hundreds of civilians. According to our politicians and press it was legal and according to internantional laws, although that area belonged to the serbs for over a thousand years!”

        Paid shill alert. We invaded a country with a NATO coalition that was already responsible for one genocide to keep them from committing a second genocide.

        “We have angst of the russian military, yet is was the NATO who moved to the russian borders, (by the way breaking a silent agreement), have military exercises near to those borders, naval exercises on the Baltic and Black Sea. Russia has such exercises only on their own territory,”

        It’s always the fault of the West. Russia’s always blameless.

        “This is not to support Russia in any way”

        Come on. That’s exactly what it is. We don’t need you for this. We can watch RT if we want the Kremlin’s POV.

      • Mr.T
        August 29, 2016, 5:11 pm

        “I’m also aware that since that time, Russia has sought to create a sphere of influence in these states,”

        OMG!!! Powerful states trying to project power onto their neighbors. Unheard of!!!

        “Sure, because invasion and annexation is totally ok as long as ethnic Russians live there.

        That and the fact that it was part of Russia historically and the fact that it is the site of a key Russian strategic asset which it has a national interest in controlling it against a hostile Ukrainian government.

        “This is exactly the philosophy Nazi Germany used to annex the Sudetenland. ”

        {point and laugh} Everything’s the 1930’s with you, isn’t it.

        “It’s not like we live in a world of nation-states.”

        Coming from a supporter of JSIL, that’s hysterical. Comedy gold.

        “Russia doesn’t get to just take land that it thinks belongs to Russia just because. ”

        But the Zionists get to just take the land of Palestine that they think belong to the world’s Jews just because. Prince of hypocrites strikes again.

        “We invaded a country with a NATO coalition…”

        So, if Putin had gotten a couple lackey countries to go along, like the US did, then all would be fine??

        “It’s always the fault of the West. Russia’s always blameless.”

        LOL. If you don’t think that Russia and the West aren’t both equally to blame (to the extent that “blame” is even a viable concept to countries acting geopolitically according to their national interests) then you’re a sucker.

    • Emory Riddle
      August 24, 2016, 10:27 am

      “..complain endlessly about a small country that has little influence on world affairs, instead of my friends the Russians, the world’s largest country with a population of 143m people that has the world’s second largest nuclear arsenal, runs an antisemitic TV statiom, RT, that features Holocaust deniers, and is allied with Iran, a US enemy that is a chief state sponsor of terrorism ”

      My God. Hophmi has been so well conditioned, so heavily programmed, it’s like pushing a button and the propaganda just flows right out. Anti-Semitism. Holocaust deniers, evil Iran, poor little Israel.

      It’s actually quite frightening how someone can be so well trained to not see obvious reality.

      Not to pick specifically on Hophmi. His type are a dime a dozen.

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      August 24, 2016, 10:59 am

      “Israel’s influence has distorted our politics for nearly 40 years. ”

      YES! All true and endlessly horrifying. RESIST! BREAK THE SILENCE! SPEAK THE TRUTH WITHOUT FEAR!

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      August 24, 2016, 11:00 am

      Are you kidding or having a nightmare? Your comment hophmi is shocking.

      • Keith
        August 24, 2016, 4:51 pm

        LILLIAN ROSENGARTEN- “Your comment hophmi is shocking.”

        Although unusually offensive and irrational, Hophmi’s comment is, nonetheless, consistent with his manichean worldview and totalitarian mindset.

      • Mooser
        August 24, 2016, 6:50 pm

        “consistent with his manichean worldview “

        Eliade says there’s plenty of that in the brew. He goes so far as to say that there’s bunches of syncretism, too!!
        I still can’t decide whether I should put those volumes through the fire for Moloch.

      • hophmi
        August 30, 2016, 11:45 am

        “Not to pick specifically on Hophmi. His type are a dime a dozen. ”

        Actually, Emory, I’d say your type is a nickel a dozen, especially in this space.

        “YES! All true and endlessly horrifying. RESIST! BREAK THE SILENCE! SPEAK THE TRUTH WITHOUT FEAR!”

        Use capital letters to sound more right!

        “OMG!!! Powerful states trying to project power onto their neighbors. Unheard of!!! ”

        It’s not unheard of. It’s just the difference between democracy and dictatorship in these countries. But Mr. T, I’m not at all surprised that you prefer Russian-tinged dictatorship to Western-tinged democracy. You guys were never democrats.

        “That and the fact that it was part of Russia historically and the fact that it is the site of a key Russian strategic asset which it has a national interest in controlling it against a hostile Ukrainian government.”

        It was part of Russia historically. See? You have no trouble using arguments like this when it’s your friends. If it’s Russia’s historically, international law doesn’t matter. Only the might of the Russian military does.

        This is another reason why I people like you have no credibility when you talk about international law. You couldn’t care less about it.

        “{point and laugh} Everything’s the 1930’s with you, isn’t it.”

        No, I just understand history. Big countries always use the kind of reasoning that Russia uses. We have to invade other states to protect our kind, whether they’re Catholics, Protestants, Germans, Russians, Sunnis, Shiites . . .

        The common thread here is that you just hate the West and wish the USSR had never fallen. Most of the older people in radical left activist community fit into that category.

        “But the Zionists get to just take the land of Palestine that they think belong to the world’s Jews just because. Prince of hypocrites strikes again.”

        Well, the international community recognizes Israel within the 1967 borders. It does not recognize Russian in Crimea. So when does the boycott of Russia begin? It would have a real impact if we all decided to stop buying Russian oil. Unlike the Israeli economy, the Russian economy is in pretty bad shape, and highly reliant on oil profits.

        “So, if Putin had gotten a couple lackey countries to go along, like the US did, then all would be fine?? ”

        It would be different. The international community has long been moving toward decentralization anyway. NATO is a coalition of dozens of countries, most of which are democracies. Of course, that’s not the same as a Security Council resolution (which is basically impossible to achieve to stop a genocide, and thus, the reason why the Security Council has lost legitimacy), but it tends to lend the action far more legitimacy.

        But actually, Russian does belong to an IGO that comprises the FSU states called the CIS. If Russian had CIS approval to invade Crimea and Georgia before it, I probably wouldn’t oppose it because it would reflect the will of the entire region. But we all know that Russia had no such approval. It was Russia throwing its weight around.

        “LOL. If you don’t think that Russia and the West aren’t both equally to blame (to the extent that “blame” is even a viable concept to countries acting geopolitically according to their national interests) then you’re a sucker. ”

        I’m not a sucker. I just give more weight to the United States than I do to Russia. The United States is a democracy with checks and balances. Russia is a dictatorship.

      • Mr.T
        August 30, 2016, 2:49 pm

        “It’s not unheard of. It’s just the difference between democracy and dictatorship in these countries.”

        LMAO!!! If you honestly think that democratic countries don’t do the exact same things to other countries, you’re a bigger sucker than I though.

        “I’m not at all surprised that you prefer Russian-tinged dictatorship to Western-tinged democracy.”

        It’s not a question of “ought”, it’s a question of “is”

        “You guys were never democrats.”

        LOL. Well, I, for one, think that the only moral outcome in Palestine/Israel is a single state from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River, where every gets the vote and everyone’s vote is equal. So, Mr. Democrat, do you join me in that call? Or is “Western-tinged democracy” only a goal when it wouldn’t mean an end to “Jewish-tinged Apartheid”??

        “If it’s Russia’s historically, international law doesn’t matter.”

        No one said it doesn’t matter. We’re talking about why Russia would take that step, in response to your nutty neo-Red Scare horse crap.

        “This is another reason why I people like you have no credibility when you talk about international law. You couldn’t care less about it.”

        Well, International law requires Israel to withdraw completely from the territories it seized in 1967. If you’re not willing to call for it to immediately do so without conditions or limitations, then your commitment to international law is suspect.

        “No, I just understand history.”

        Well, you’ve yet to demonstrate it.

        “We have to invade other states to protect our kind, whether they’re Catholics, Protestants, Germans, Russians, Sunnis, Shiites .”

        So you’re calling Zionism inherently wrong from the start??? I mean, the excuse that the Zionists came up with when they proposed their idea to invade Palestine, take it over and then start an oppressive Apartheid regime was to supposedly protect their own kind. Or is this only an invalid option when the people you hope to protect are mere “Catholics, Protestants, Germans, Russians, Sunnis, Shiites”??

        “The common thread here is that you just hate the West and wish the USSR had never fallen.”

        LMAO!!! Well, there were better Red-baiters than you back then, that’s for sure.

        “Well, the international community recognizes Israel within the 1967 borders.”

        Great. When are you going to call for Israel to be sanctioned until it returns to those borders?

        “So when does the boycott of Russia begin?”

        There’s already an international sanctions regime in place. When you’re willing to support the same for Israel, then we’ll talk.

        “If Russian had CIS approval to invade Crimea and Georgia before it, I probably wouldn’t oppose it because it would reflect the will of the entire region.”

        So then if all the states in the Middle East region approved an invasion of Israel to liberate Palestine from the Zionists, you wouldn’t oppose that?? How about if they just approved Hamas and Hezbollah attacking it?? Or is there another of your famed “Jewish” exceptions to this position, too??

        “I’m not a sucker. I just give more weight to the United States than I do to Russia.”

        Yeah, because we all know how scrupulous the US is in not interfering or invading other countries. LOL!!!

      • talknic
        August 30, 2016, 3:59 pm

        @ hophmi

        “Well, the international community recognizes Israel within the 1967 borders.”

        Example please

        ” It does not recognize Russian in Crimea. So when does the boycott of Russia begin?

        Is that the same Russia Netanyahu seeks trade with?

      • oldgeezer
        August 30, 2016, 11:04 pm

        @hophmi

        Equal treatment is big with you eh hoppy?

        Me too. Israel showed be facing full blown sanctions like Russia.

        Until they are boycotts are extremely justified.

    • Citizen
      August 25, 2016, 3:46 pm

      @ hophmi
      Your comment is ridiculous in light of actual facts: Note To US Voters: Millions Of Untimely American Deaths And $40 Trillion Cost Of Israel To Americans By Dr Gideon Polya http://www.countercurrents.org/polya270813.htm

      If U don’t agree with this assessment of why all American voters and taxpayers should give the US-Israeli “special relationship” strict scrutiny, hophm, tell us why–be specific. We wait with the proverbial baited breath.

      • hophmi
        August 29, 2016, 12:38 pm

        “totalitarian mindset.”

        Keith is, as usual, projecting. Hey Keith! Russia and Syria are the countries with the totalitarian mindsets. I know that you have a hard time accepting that, because you seem never to have met a dictatorship you didn’t like.

        Citizen, you can cite all of the silly articles you’d like from antisemites like GIlad Atzmon and his fellow travelers, like Mr. Polya, who thinks that we invaded Afghanistan because of the “Zionists,” and it won’t make you any more credible. You guys just cannot seem to stay away from the Holocaust-denial far-right websites. And the moderator keeps letting this garbage through.

      • Keith
        August 29, 2016, 3:03 pm

        HOPHMI- “…because you seem never to have met a dictatorship you didn’t like.”

        I don’t like any of the Gulf Cooperation Council monarchical dictatorships which US/Israel support, nor do I like real dictators like genocidaire Paul Kagame which US/Israel support and which Rabbi Shmuley Boteach fawns over. These are your friends, not mine. And yes, you do have a totalitarian mindset, Herr Hophmi.

      • Mooser
        August 29, 2016, 5:23 pm

        “And the moderator keeps letting this garbage through. “

        And you keep giving it “hits” ,”UPVs” and what looked like a “session” a little while ago. You will close this place down yet. You could go further, and ask all your friends to read Mondo so they can see for themselves how awful it is.

  2. Krauss
    August 23, 2016, 12:21 pm

    That was an astonishingly brilliant rant/rampage, Phil. It’s why I say: write a book!

    • inbound39
      August 23, 2016, 1:48 pm

      Certainly was Krauss and it’s high time the covers were torn off what Israel is actually doing to America. The American people deserve an explaination from all the politicians in their government that collaborate with Israel to bring about the demise of America. Clinton included.

      • Doubtom
        August 24, 2016, 4:48 pm

        Right on ‘inbound’, the American populace is way overdue for an explanation as to what exactly is meant by this bullsh– propaganda we’re fed about a “special relationship” we’re suppose to have with Israel. NO ONE HAS EVER DEFINED WHAT THAT MEANS!!
        It’s also time for the American voters to remind those pandering and cowering whores in Congress that they were sent to Washington to represent the American people, NOT Israel!

  3. Blownaway
    August 23, 2016, 12:56 pm

    Timely article from retired CIA agent Philip Giraldi arguing credibly that’s it’s the Clintons who have been compromised by a foreign government (Israel)
    http://www.unz.com/article/are-the-clintons-israeli-agents/

  4. Susie Kneedler
    August 23, 2016, 1:39 pm

    Wow, Phil, Thanks as ever for your everlasting conscience and your poetic brilliance in revealing two facts:
    how dominant “reporters” have provably hidden the influence of the Israel Lobby for decades, and how obsessively they now distract us to what they only claim is fact—-Russian hacking—without an atom of evidence.

  5. Annie Robbins
    August 23, 2016, 2:25 pm

    great article phil, you so rock.

    • Citizen
      August 25, 2016, 3:58 pm

      @ Annie Robbins
      Yes, Phil does rock! His enemies say he’s a “self-hating Jew” and this web site is constantly dismissed on Twitter by Zionist accounts as an:”anti-Semitic site,” whenever somebody tries to bring actual facts onto Twitter about Israel’s policies and conduct and links to Mondoweiss as supportive of what they tweet. (Usually, after a dose of actual facts by a tweeter, the tweeter gets blocked).

      Truth is Phil is in the best tradition of Judaism, the branch boasting of Hillel The Elder, keeping that version of Jewish ethics and morality alive. This jibes with the best tradition of Christianity, Islam, Humanism. Also the best tradition, it just so happens, of America’s founding fathers. Jewish Americans need Phil, and so the other 98% of Americans, and so does the world, most of all Israel if it want to avoid the dustbin of both world and Jewish history. Not to mention the daily life of Palestinians would be much better off if Americans read Mondoweiss. Yeah, Phil should write a book like he did this article–top notch writing!

  6. marc b.
    August 23, 2016, 2:30 pm

    please. the media has no collective guilty conscience, anymore than there is group fretting over lost virginity in a whore house. some individual ‘media’ types may hold onto vestiges of an ethical obligation to objectivity, but even in those circles I have never heard any truly anguished apologies for the media’s role in the mass atrocity in Iraq, for example, just shoulder shrugging half-admissions of mistaken reliance.

    • Boomer
      August 24, 2016, 5:55 am

      @marc b “the media has no collective guilty conscience, anymore than there is group fretting over lost virginity in a whore house.”

      Nice observation, nice way of expressing it. Amusing in a sardonic way, but sadly true. And sadly true for our political class as well. And our business “elites.” Guilty consciences are for losers.

  7. Walker
    August 23, 2016, 3:18 pm

    Great article, Phil, except for this:

    That’s one good thing, everyone is now in on the joke. Even if the media can’t discuss it, everyone knows it.

    I’m not sure why you came to that conclusion. Most people don’t know it. Most Americans aren’t in on the joke. Your very post spells out why.

    One suppressed SNL skit doesn’t mean the public knows. It doesn’t.

    • Boomer
      August 24, 2016, 5:59 am

      @ Walker “One suppressed SNL skit doesn’t mean the public knows. It doesn’t.”

      True. I don’t think Phil meant it this way, but it is easy to slip into assuming that the people you know are “the people.” Thus self-important pundits in DC love to talk about “this town,” by which they mean a few hundred people.

    • Citizen
      August 25, 2016, 4:14 pm

      I’ve been on this site as a commenter since 2008. The last decade has brought more awareness in the American intellectual-political community; unfortunately, nobody I actually know personally, including my own family, has ever read Mondoweiss, or has ever displayed the slightest interest in doing so. I’ve lived nearly 75 years in the USA & so I know, except for the military draft card burning during Vietnam Era, few Americans prioritize foreign affairs in politics.
      Even though our politicians constantly conflate Israel and the USA, this issue flies right over their heads, pretty much. When Hillary or Trump mention their devotion to Israel, to “Bibi,”, that message is directed at mostly only 2% of the US population, the Jewish community. It flies right over everyone else’s head, pretty much–except for Hagee drones. This might change, slowly, thanks to anti-BDS laws making the news, and BlackLivesMatter’s solidarity with the Palestinian cause. Some day, maybe even the main media will discuss Israel factually, and US aid to Israel, actually, and the demise of USA’s reputation thanks to the Israel Lobby legally taking full single focus advantage of the bribery known as the US “campaign finance system.” See You at the mall.

  8. MRW
    August 23, 2016, 6:47 pm

    Phil,

    But enough about all that. Let’s talk about Russian influence.

    Before you do, may I suggest you do some research by listening to Professor Stephen F Cohen’s Tuesday night radio braodcasts with John Batchelor on WABC 770 AM Radio, NYC. Usually 10 PM your time. Anyone can listen online in real time. The Podcasts are available the next day here.

    On Cohen’s page on audio boom: https://audioboom.com/search?utf8=✓&q=stephen+cohen, the broadcasts marked in the playlists at the bottom of the page are some of Cohen’s greatest hits over the last 8-9 months.

    Stephen Cohen is, as you probably know, Katrina vanden Heuvel’s husband. (For overseas readers here, Katrina vanden Heuvel is publisher and editor-in-chief of The Nation, the pre-eminent progessive magazine in the country.) He speaks fluent Russian, taught Russian history at Princeton and NYU, and lived in Russia with Katrina at some point before they had kids.

    His analysis is superb. I warn you, however, he has no use for Obama admin foreign policies (excoriates Power and Rice), is highly disdainful of Hillary’s foreign policy chops and her suitability to be head of state without dragging this nation into WWIII. He has high praise for what he calls Trump’s “sanity” in foreign policy thinking, although he points out that “every member of my family” oppose “what I say” about Trump. Cohen gives detailed reasons for his objections. He has also decimated the NYT and many of the characters you list above for their reporting, translations (of Putin’s words), knowledge of history and diplomacy, and fitness as professionals.

    John Batchelor has been doing these broadcast hours with Cohen for three years. Nielsen reported that Cohen’s “off-the-charts” ratings on Batchelor’s show raised the show’s overall rankings. I have my calendar bookmarked so that I don’t miss one of them. No doubt NYC cabbies are tuned into him.

    • JWalters
      August 23, 2016, 8:31 pm

      Thanks for the info on Cohen’s independent thinking.

      A few others are also recognizing some sensible anti-oligarchy thinking amidst Trump’s apparently contradictory statements. For example, Where Donald Trump Makes Sense
      https://consortiumnews.com/2016/08/04/where-donald-trump-makes-sense/

      It would be ironic if Trump were to play a major role in unmasking the oligarchy.

    • Boomer
      August 24, 2016, 6:00 am

      Thanks for the links to Cohen, MRW. I have read a few things by him, but didn’t know about broadcasts.

  9. mcohen.
    August 23, 2016, 7:34 pm

    phil says

    “russian influence”

    you forgot the million plus russians now living in israel.the boots on the ground.

    would that be the russian influence you refer to.you are drifting into no- mans land.

    lets talk about it

  10. JWalters
    August 23, 2016, 8:17 pm

    What we have here is a coordinated effort by a small minority of Americans to deceive the majority of Americans, with the goal of Israel using America’s military as a proxy military in the Middle East.

    The intentional secrecy in this effort makes this a conspiracy. The term “neocon” is a euphamism for “Israeli agent”. The 25 people whose deportation to a desert island would have avoided the Iraq war should all be in prison for fraud and treason (along with numerous other co-conspirators).

    The current conflict with Russia has been manufactured to disrupt the cooperation between Obama and Putin in the Middle East, as documented by a series of articles at Consortium News, edited by 2015 winner of the I.F. Stone award for INDEPENDENT journalism, Robert Parry, who broke the Iran-Contra story against the resistence of the media arm of the war profiteering oligarchy. For example, What Neocons Want from Ukraine Crisis
    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/02/what-neocons-want-from-ukraine-crisis/

    For readers who haven’t seen it, a brief history of this takeover of America’s media and politics is described online in “War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”.

    America’s democracy is on the eve of destruction. This secrecy and deception must be spotlighted and destroyed. It has no right to exist.

    People like David Brooks cannot possibly be as uninformed as they pretend. Their actions can only come from being either Jewish supremacists, or bought, or blackmailed. Whichever it is, they will have to face the consequences of their actions.

  11. broadside
    August 23, 2016, 8:50 pm

    Very strong piece.

  12. Yakov Hirsch
    August 24, 2016, 12:52 am

    Phil, Very impressive! Going to read this again now.

  13. Citizen
    August 24, 2016, 12:58 am

    Impressive piece of writing, Phil. I’d like to tape a copy of it to every home door in the USA–and inside every US soldier’s helmet.

  14. yourstruly
    August 24, 2016, 1:03 am

    Demonizing Russia is an easy proposition for the war hawks, what with most Americans born from 1917 to 1994 having been bombarded with anti-Russian/anti-Communist propaganda. Sure, with the breakup of the USSR there was some easing in said demonizing, but empire’s propagandists had to be besides themselves with joy when they were told to get back to portraying Russia/Putin as evil and threatening, since to accomplish this all they need do is play an updated version of the same tune re: alleged Russian treachery that they deployed during the existence of the Soviet Union. Or so they may think, but will it work this time around?

    • Tuyzentfloot
      August 24, 2016, 5:51 am

      That’s the positive thing that I can think of about Trump: he said about Russia and about North Korea that you can talk to these people. I think we desperately need this attitude. I also really worry that with Clinton things will get worse quickly in a major effort to assert dominance. That means a big chance things get out of hand with near extinction. You can’t keep that up for a long period without it going wrong. The good news is that even with near extinction wheref 1% of humanity survives it’s still a comfortable 70 million people you can start over with.

      • Theo
        August 24, 2016, 9:51 am

        I am impressed by your positive attitude, however I don´t want to belong to that 1% left over!

      • Tuyzentfloot
        August 24, 2016, 10:26 am

        I am impressed by your positive attitude, however I don´t want to belong to that 1% left over!Yup. I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than 99% killed, tops!

      • eljay
        August 24, 2016, 10:33 am

        || Theo: I am impressed by your positive attitude, however I don´t want to belong to that 1% left over! ||

        Same here. I have no desire to live in a lawless nuclear (or nookyoolur) wasteland. If (when?) the nukes ever start flying, I’m heading toward the nearest target.

  15. Edward Q
    August 24, 2016, 3:59 am

    My favorite example of zionist influence on the U.S.: the order from Lyndon Johnson to recall the fighters sent to defend the U.S.S. Liberty from an Israeli attack in 1967.

    • Citizen
      August 24, 2016, 10:17 am

      Hanging 2005 claim against Israel 4 its intentional attack on USS Liberty in 1967: http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/files/War%20Crimes%20Report.pdf
      US Congress has never investigated. A quickie one week naval investigation is all our boys got from our own government. They were muzzled too.

      • Theo
        August 24, 2016, 12:20 pm

        A few years after the incident I met one of the survivors at HQUSEUR in Germany. They were really scared to even talk about it, threatened with courtmarshal and even jail.
        This in the land of democracy and free speech.

      • Edward Q
        August 24, 2016, 10:17 pm

        Citizen & Theo,

        Some day the truth will be known. The zionists never seem to care about the long term implications of their deeds.

      • yonah fredman
        August 25, 2016, 9:34 am

        The event itself of the attack on the USS liberty, has never made sense to me as a decision of someone high ranking, it seems like a low level error. As regards to lbj, I think that an analysis of the Glassboro summit of June 67 is necessary to get an accurate idea of lbj’s priorities, and blaming him for being a Zionist stooge is ignorant. He had a strategy and I believe all decisions including reaction to the attack reflected his overall strategy.

      • Mr.T
        August 25, 2016, 12:12 pm

        “The event itself of the attack on the USS liberty, has never made sense to me as a decision of someone high ranking ”

        And why would it make sense to you? You look at the state of Israeli without blinders on.

      • Citizen
        August 25, 2016, 3:31 pm

        There’s speculation of the notices of Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty. The most convincing one to me is Israel knew it was an advanced US spy ship & wanted to take the Golan Heights before the US could stop it from doing so. Johnson called back the US rescue planes and covered the incident up because he needed Jewish help to remain POTUS. He got it too. Press protest against the Nam war went much quieter after the cover-up. The incident is an aberration in the annuals of the US military due to the very short Navy investigation, only one week, and that much less damaging attacks on US armed forces had always received full congressional investigation. The funeral and awards events for valor also deviated from the norms before and since practiced by the US government.

      • Mooser
        August 25, 2016, 5:13 pm

        “The event itself of the attack on the USS liberty, has never made sense to me as a decision of someone high ranking, it seems like a low level error.”

        Oh, you bet,”Yonah”. In the IDF any private or sergeant who knows Kaballa can call in an airstrike on a ship with no questions asked.

      • Keith
        August 25, 2016, 6:18 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “The event itself of the attack on the USS liberty, has never made sense to me as a decision of someone high ranking, it seems like a low level error.”

        All the evidence suggests that the attack was ordered by Moshe Dayan. The Israeli Air Force had performed extensive surveillance on the Liberty and knew who and what it was. I am guessing that Dayan didn’t want his activities monitored and warned the US military to keep it out of the combat area. Two days before the attack the Joint Chiefs ordered Admiral McCain to reposition the Liberty 100 miles farther out, away from the combat zone. The order was never implemented, Admiral McCain claiming the order was not received due to a highly improbable technical snafu. The first Israeli pilot ordered to attack replied that it was an American ship and refused to fire. When he returned to base he was arrested and court martialed and went to prison. Subsequently, on another occasion, Dayan threatened to shoot down US reconnaissance planes and the flights were halted. Dayan publicly stated that “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” The notion that this was a low level error is preposterous.

      • Mooser
        August 25, 2016, 10:01 pm

        “ it seems like a low level error.”

        Sure, attacking a US ship, kill over a hundred Americans, who would wake Moshe Dayan up over a petty matter like that?

        Isn’t it fun to rub our noses in Israel’s impunity, “Yonah”?

      • yonah fredman
        August 26, 2016, 12:32 am

        Believe it or not, I enjoy talking about the USS liberty, particularly getting responses from Keith and citizen is quite rewarding. Mostly because I remember hearing the news from my English teacher, mrs. Ingerman, so it allows time travel like no other event ever discussed here.

        A quick dip into the controversy is not refreshing. The death of Americans killed by Israeli pilots and sailors is the ultimate nightmare and a horrible act if intentional and a horrible mistake if it was a fuck up, which I suspect because I have yet to hear a convincing motive. Invasion of golan was being protected? I don’t buy it. Dayan being aggressive to prove he’s a rabid dog. When there is no motive this is the musings of sophomores.

        But moreso i don’t buy lbj as Zionist stooge. Lbj was following that war blow by blow, you better believe and playing a chess game against the USSR, but the only motive we hear here is November 68. This i don’t buy. I don’t buy lbj as a traitor nor as an idiot.

      • Boomer
        August 26, 2016, 7:12 am

        re: “The first Israeli pilot ordered to attack [the Liberty] replied that it was an American ship and refused to fire. When he returned to base he was arrested and court martialed and went to prison.”

        So, Israeli soldiers ARE held accountable, not for war crimes against Palestinians, but for failing to kill Americans. Interesting.

      • Boomer
        August 26, 2016, 7:25 am

        re: “Johnson called back the US rescue planes and covered the incident up because he needed Jewish help to remain POTUS.”

        That seems the most plausible explanation to me, as well. The implications are breathtaking. This collective ignoring of something so significant in plain sight involved (and involves) the willing participation of multiple actors in the executive branch, in Congress, and in the media . . . at the time and subsequently. It isn’t unique, of course, simply the most outrageous. Consider the collective “official” U.S. ignorance of Israel’s nuclear arsenal, and America’s role in creating it. Recall Helen Thomas’s question to Obama, his non-answer, and what happened to her.

      • Keith
        August 26, 2016, 3:26 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Dayan being aggressive to prove he’s a rabid dog. When there is no motive this is the musings of sophomores.”

        Musings? I supplied you with a well known quote of Moshe Dayan along with the fact that he subsequently threatened to shoot down US reconnaissance planes and the flights were halted and you describe these well known facts as the musings of sophomores? Facts and quotes are irrelevant unless we can convince you of someone’s motivation? Well that is one way to avoid unpleasant realities, isn’t it? There is a certain simplicity to your thinking which is quite unattractive, but which facilitates group loyalty.

    • hophmi
      August 26, 2016, 12:30 pm

      Yonah, it’s not worth arguing with these people about the USS Liberty. There have been dozens of investigations of it, and none have found Israel culpable. These folks will never believe anything but the worst about Israelis no matter what you show them, because their main motivation isn’t facts; it’s hatred of Israelis and Jews.

      • Mooser
        August 26, 2016, 12:52 pm

        “There have been dozens of investigations of it, and none have found Israel culpable.”

        In fact, an Israeli military investigation determined that after the unplanned maintenance incident, the USS Liberty steamed back to its homeport with a custom paint-job and rebuilt engines, not to mention an entire new wardrobe air-dropped to the crew and officers.

      • Mooser
        August 26, 2016, 12:59 pm

        “Yonah”, it’s not worth arguing with these people…”

        Right you are, “Hophmi”. The fact is, on the Internet “hits mean consent”.
        Unless you are a Zionist, of course, in which case the moral and social ascendancy of Zionism supersedes the structure of the Internet. I’ve been marveling at this for quite some time.

        Just think about it,”Hophmi”; you can wound me even worse by shooting yourself in the foot. And with a target that close, how can you miss? Fire at will!

      • oldgeezer
        August 26, 2016, 1:15 pm

        @hophmi

        The fact is that Israel knew it was a US ship. There is no denying that regardless of how many fixed investigations are held

        @Mooser

        And a hold full of cherry tomatoes!

      • echinococcus
        August 26, 2016, 1:20 pm

        These folks will never believe anything but the worst about Israelis no matter what you show them, because their main motivation isn’t facts; it’s hatred of Israelis and Jews

        Make that “Israelis and most Jews –those who support Zionism.”
        By the way, do you have even a single instance of any fact that would allow thinking anything else than the worst about the Zionist entity? Just a single’un? Show me.

      • Mooser
        August 26, 2016, 1:29 pm

        “And a hold full of cherry tomatoes!”

        And ballast tanks pumped full of cottage cheese!
        Yo-ho-ho and a two cents, plain.

      • Mooser
        August 26, 2016, 1:42 pm

        “These folks will never believe anything but the worst about Israelis no matter what you show them, because their main motivation isn’t facts; it’s hatred of Israelis and Jews.”

        Bu, but, but “Hophmi”, the Sacred Zionist What-aboutereuch teaches us that all countries and nations do horrible things while they establish themselves and grow, and so can Israel. So perhaps it might have been wise to keep our religion insulated from this, since it realistically can’t provide any protection against the consequences? Just asking.
        If you think crying “antisemitism” will insulate Israel from the consequences of its policies as and actions, please say so.

        Oh, and don’t worry about us non-Israeli “the Jews”. When the time comes, it’ll be a simple as drowning out Nettie’s “Hatikvah” with a lusty “Marseillaise.”

      • Keith
        August 26, 2016, 3:09 pm

        HOPHMI- “These folks will never believe anything but the worst about Israelis no matter what you show them, because their main motivation isn’t facts; it’s hatred of Israelis and Jews.”

        Yeah, we are so hateful that we have convinced ourselves that Israel has nuclear weapons even though Israel has never admitted it and the US has never officially acknowledged it. Is there no end to our self deception?

      • eljay
        August 26, 2016, 4:08 pm

        || hophmi: … These folks will never believe anything but the worst about Israelis no matter what you show them …

        You sure do lie a lot. I believe good things about good Israelis because they’re good people. I don’t believe good things about Zio-supremacist Israelis because by definition they are hateful and immoral hypocrites.

        || … because their main motivation isn’t facts; it’s hatred of Israelis and Jews. ||

        The main motivation of Zio-supremacists like you isn’t justice, accountability and equality; it’s selective injustice and immorality.

      • Citizen
        August 27, 2016, 12:00 pm

        @ hophmi
        Re your: “There have been dozens of investigations of it, and none have found Israel culpable.”

        This is a bold-face lie and has long been shown to be bullshit. Read all about hophmi’s “dozens of investigations,” folks, right here:

        Four Decades of Twisting Facts About Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty http://www.wrmea.org/2007-may-june/four-decades-of-twisting-facts-about-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty.html#.V8G2r75WPp0.twitter
        (Add 9 more years-when will Congress do its job and investigate?)

        Last June the Liberty survivors had a memorial after nearly half a century; here’s a write up by an Israeli: The day Israel attacked America – The Unites States Navy most decorated ship (in a single action) http://ahtribune.com/human-rights/964-uss-liberty-part-2.html

      • Dan
        August 27, 2016, 4:18 pm

        “The fact is, on the Internet “hits mean consent”.

        Are you saying that Yakov Hirsch “consents” to Eli Lake’s columns, and Jeffrey Goldberg’s.

        And Phil Weiss and James North “consent” to the New York Times coverage of Israel (and the Jerusalem Post’s & Times of Israel)

        I’d be surprised if they agree with you.

      • Mooser
        August 27, 2016, 6:05 pm

        “I’d be surprised if they agree with you.”

        Yakov, Phil and James comment at the on-line sites of Goldberg, Lake, and the NYTs? Did not know that. Are they making an impact?

        But Dan, if “Hophmi” is having a significant effect on your thinking, and is convincing you he is right, and has the right perspective on Mondo, and its readers, and is correct in his objections to Mondo, I’ll have to admit I am wrong.
        Is he doing that?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 27, 2016, 6:50 pm

        USS liberty …. like a low level error.

        hahaha!!! yonah you’re so funny.

      • yonah fredman
        August 27, 2016, 7:40 pm

        Annie- altho the moment of the event is burnt into my memory, the details required that I reexamine the issue. It seems that the chief of staff rabin was in on the action. The assertion of dayan’s involvement seems to be based on bias, rather than proof. The lack of a motive other than part of the war being fought on that day at that moment in egypt, which makes error the most likely explanation, does not restrain those who wish to find other explanations, way beyond the day’s battles in Egypt. But here’s a theory. The US Navy ordered the ship out of the area, but it stayed where it was in defiance of orders, because it did not wish to listen to orders, but preferred a different approach. Assuming someone knew they were ordered out and defied those orders, that navy person was to blame. Let’s assume there was some collaboration between Israel and the US to the extent that Israel could call up the US Navy and ask, do you have a ship there, and the answer comes back, “No, our ship was ordered elsewhere.” Does that not sound feasible. But instead of searching for the feasible, it is Israel’s attack on the golan and a general rabid dog philosophy that explains what happened.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 27, 2016, 8:15 pm

        think of how wonderful it must be for you and pro israel advocates that the vast majority of our commenter archives are gone.

        Let’s assume there was some collaboration between Israel and the US to the extent that Israel could call up the US Navy and ask, do you have a ship there, and the answer comes back, “No, our ship was ordered elsewhere.” Does that not sound feasible

        yeah, that makes perfect sense for the US to collaborate w/israel to wipe out one of our ships and 34 crew members. yonah, you’re so full of crap.

      • yonah fredman
        August 28, 2016, 1:43 am

        If person A had info that there was no US ship in the area, based upon his assumption that the orders were carried out, then this person had no idea that he was endangering the US sailors, and assumed that he was helping israel without endangering americans.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 28, 2016, 3:30 am

      • Annie Robbins
        August 28, 2016, 3:43 am

        check at 38min, they play the audio tape (multiple times) in the video. they knew it was an american ship.

      • RoHa
        August 28, 2016, 5:11 am

        Yonah, put down the riding crop. That horse is not resting.
        It has expired.
        It is bereft of life.
        It has checked out, bought the farm, dropped off the twig, kicked the bucket, carked it, and gone to join the choir invisible.
        It’s dead.
        Stop flogging it.

      • oldgeezer
        August 28, 2016, 9:55 am

        @yonah

        Feasible excuses are not probably excuses. There is a never ending list of feasible excuses. That they weren’t aware it was american for the initial attack could be feasible. That they did not know it was american for the continued attack is not.

        There are the associated major war crimes of the execution of pows and destroying life boats.

        Israelis seem to have a habit of devaluing life and perpetrating war crimes.

      • Mooser
        August 28, 2016, 11:23 am

        “If person A had info…/… endangering americans.”

        “Yonah” please refer to “Annie’s” 8:15pm comment, last sentence.

      • Dan
        August 29, 2016, 9:51 pm

        “Yakov, Phil and James comment at the on-line sites of Goldberg, Lake, and the NYTs? Did not know that?”

        Once you visit a page, I don’t think whether you comment or not changes the number of hits, unless it’s a separate visit – not sure though – any experts out there please correct if wrong.
        I see where commenting can lead to more visits, but so can just reading the comment section in order to follow the conversation out of interest, or to gauge public opinion, which I suspect they might do. Also, when MW writers reference, and link to, the NYT, Goldberg’s articles et. al., that leads to many more hits. Do you think they are stupid?

        My guess is that the number of hits by Hophmi and the others is immaterial to the various sites.

        “But Dan, if “Hophmi” is having a significant effect on your thinking, and is convincing you he is right, and has the right perspective on Mondo, and its readers, and is correct in his objections to Mondo, I’ll have to admit I am wrong. Is he doing that?”

        I agree with some things he’s written and disagree with others.
        I doubt he, or anybody else, is going to fall for your silly “hits” by definition equals “consent” line.
        I enjoy reading some MW articles, and the comments section (including competing points of view). That’s all beside the point –whether I agree with Hophmi or not isn’t relevant to your assertion that “hits” automatically confer consent. That either makes sense or, in my opinion, it doesn’t. I’d be surprised if I’m the only reader who has noticed that.

      • inbound39
        August 30, 2016, 6:12 am

        What part of the documentation does Hophmi and Yonah not understand…..in particular the lead Israeli plane that identified it clearly as an American ship and refused to carry out the order to attack. Why did he refuse to attack Yonah? Hophmi? Because he identified it as a friendly vessel which you don’t drop bombs on,shoot at or kill the crew of. All the latter actions require visual sighting and conscious actions….no error involved. Deliberate thought through actions…no mistake made. The lowest blow an ally can commit…..Betrayal.

      • Mooser
        August 30, 2016, 2:06 pm

        “I agree with some things he’s written and disagree with others.” “Dan” on “Hophmi’s”comments.

        Well, there you go, “Hophmi”! You are having an influence!
        I never would have thought so, but that’s just me, and, well, I would look at it that way.
        Yup, Mondo is going to regret the Google stats they purchased at the price of letting “Hophmi” speak.

      • Boomer
        August 30, 2016, 3:56 pm

        “the vast majority of our commenter archives are gone.”

        sad

    • hophmi
      August 30, 2016, 11:51 am

      “Last June the Liberty survivors had a memorial after nearly half a century; here’s a write up by an Israeli: The day Israel attacked America – The Unites States Navy most decorated ship (in a single action) ”

      On a website that suggests that Noam Chomsky is an Israeli disinformation agent. Thanks, I’ll pass. Keep digging that hole you’re in.

  16. Boomer
    August 24, 2016, 6:07 am

    Thanks Phil, for your continuing good work and that of the others who create this site. This site is a vital source of information. Recently I spent a week searching major U.S. MSM for news about the Lutherans’ resolutions in support of Palestinians. I was surprised and depressed by the amazing consistently (in failure) of the MSM on which most Americans rely. I was aware of the bias and weakness of the media coverage, but only close examination of such cases reveals the extent of the problem.

  17. David Kattenburg
    August 24, 2016, 8:56 am

    Senate Un-Israeli Activities Committee:

    https://soundcloud.com/greenplanetmonitor/chuckhagelmp3

  18. Cazador
    August 24, 2016, 8:57 am

    Sorry, Phil. I’ll read you in a little while. It’s still too early to get upset at the nutayahu and his fascist country… But I have a feeling your brave article will be worth every letter and punctuation symbol as usual.

  19. Mooser
    August 24, 2016, 11:02 am

    “Josh Marshall will tell you all about Russia influencing Trump, and meantime he…”

    Marshall has been very disappointing. Very disingenuous.

  20. catalan
    August 24, 2016, 11:03 am

    It makes me feel good that as an American Jew (who works for the government no less and influences it in all sorts of pernicious and anti American ways) I am stronger than Putin. He does have a gorgeous girlfriend though so he must bring something to the table.

    • eljay
      August 24, 2016, 11:50 am

      || catalan: It makes me feel good that as an American Jew Zio-supremacist (who works for the government no less and influences it in all sorts of pernicious and anti American ways) I am stronger than Putin. … ||

      Corrected.

      It’s interesting how frequently you Zio-supremacists anti-Semitically conflate (all) Jews with Zio-supremacism and Zio-supremacism with (all) Jews.

      • lonely rico
        August 25, 2016, 3:11 pm

        > eljay
        catalan: It makes me feel good that as an American Jew Zio-supremacist (who works for the government no less and influences it in all sorts of pernicious and anti American ways)
        Thanks catalan for your honesty, not usual in a Zio-supremacist.

        I’m curious to know catalan, to which flag you pledge allegiance at the start of each day at your government office “ … to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands …”
        OR
        to the flag of a different country “with liberty and justice for one (chosen) people” ?
        Just wondering.

    • hophmi
      August 30, 2016, 11:56 am

      Hey lonely rico, you’re a recent graduate student, right?

      Can you detail for me your work as an advocate for a boycott of Russia based on their illegal invasions of Georgia and Ukraine? You know that we’ve given Russia billions over the last couple of decades to deal with their aging nukes, right?

      Is there any movement afoot on your campus to boycott Russia?

  21. lonely rico
    August 24, 2016, 11:38 am

    Very good article Phil.
    To be re-read, kept, and send on to others.
    Bravo !

  22. James Canning
    August 24, 2016, 4:00 pm

    Indeed, “the system is rigged”, and the Israel lobby has compromised the ability of both national parties to act in the best interests of the American people, in matters related to Israel.

  23. gingershot
    August 24, 2016, 6:47 pm

    Our media talking heads and politicians are deathly afraid of Israel and the Israel lobby/Jewish lobby/Neocons, and for good reason.

    Our bullies are even too big to call them bullies…

    Hillary is the biggest Neocon of them all she hides behind the skirts of the Israel lobby/Jewish lobby and no one dare expose her to America

    Calling Jill Stein!

  24. Kathleen
    August 24, 2016, 11:53 pm

    Nailed it Phil. Although wanted more exposure of Israeli agent Dennis Ross. Also Senator Schumer’s efforts to take the Iran deal down because that is what Israel wanted.

    MSNBC host were obsessed with the Russian influence scare. Joy Reid, Lawrence O’Donnells were obsessed. Joy would talk about the Trump campaign using scare tactics and in just a few moments go into a song and dance scare act “the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming” O’Donnell went over the cliff night after night.

    As I watched and commented at their FB pages about how they never ever mention the influence of Israel on our elections…never.

    • Citizen
      August 25, 2016, 5:22 pm

      Ross is working on a good job with Hillary right now. They all take him in, give him unelected power–very frustrating to concerned Americans of whatever political stripe (except Zionist).

      • Kathleen
        August 25, 2016, 11:30 pm

        When Obama picked Hillary as his Secretary of State my mind and mouth dropped. The hundreds of hours I had put into doing my part and more in getting Obama elected went down the tubes Then they brought Ross in for awhile and one knew the pre election hopes were dust when it came to foreign policy changes

      • Boomer
        August 26, 2016, 9:15 am

        @ Kathleen, “When Obama picked Hillary as his Secretary of State my mind and mouth dropped.”

        You were faster and smarter than I was. I foolishly continued to have “the audacity to hope for change I could believe in,” etc. For a while. But the “hopey changey thing” didn’t work out well for me, or for the Palestinians.

      • Boomer
        August 26, 2016, 9:18 am

        re “unelected power”

        Unelected perhaps, but not unpaid for. Earned by extraordinary, coordinated effort.

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