Jews made America great so ‘we deserve our influence’ on Israel policy, Dershowitz tells Scarsdale synagogue

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Alan Dershowitz gave a pep talk on Jewish influence to an orthodox audience in Scarsdale Tuesday night. It was his crowd, and he really is a rock star. The suburban lanes were filled with cars and older yarmulke-wearing Jews streaming toward the synagogue like Woodstock. We were half a million strong! Four hundred anyway, but Jews punch above their weight.

That was Dershowitz’s theme: We earned our influence in this country by contributing more to its success than others– so now use your influence!

Dershowitz held forth for 50 minutes before he had to sign books and head to CNN. The crowd was on their feet at beginning and end. Dershowitz started out with self-effacing humor. At his yeshiva in Brooklyn he was a terrible student. The head of the school said Dershowitz, what are we going to do with you. You have to find a job where you don’t have to think and you just run your mouth. You could be a lawyer. Or a conservative rabbi. The man couldn’t even say the word Reform, Dershowitz said. By his last year he was suing the school (for an arbitrary rule on who could apply for NY state scholarships; he won).

The news. Trump has a better chance of getting peace in the Middle East than Obama; Dershowitz got into the Israel defense racket because of Noam Chomsky; it’s getting harder and harder to defend Israel and Dershowitz is now blacklisted at campuses; Israel’s second and third-rate academics come to the U.S. and Europe to get jobs and sell themselves as anti-Zionist because people will hire a talking dog; Bernie Sanders is strange; the dissident human rights group Breaking the Silence is a small bunch of malcontents who lie about the Israeli army; and Jews should use Jewish power, from intellectual to financial, to punish those who criticize Israel.

The best quotes are about outsize Jewish influence and how we’re entitled to it because we made America great. #8 and #11 below. “We have to hit them in the pocketbook. Don’t ever ever be embarrassed about using Jewish power.”

1. It’s getting harder to support Israel.

Dershowitz didn’t start out as Israel’s lawyer, but then the left turned on Israel after the Six Day War. Early on, the left loved Israel because the Soviet Union was its supporter. Only Republicans didn’t like Israel, the State Department, Eisenhower, the oil men.

Israel was very easy to defend. Boy have things changed dramatically over the last 50 years…. The two people who got me engaged really deeply were the Reverend Daniel Berrigan– he was an unbelievable anti-Semite, a real bigot, he called Israel a criminal community of Jews, he said that Jews had to choose between supporting Israel and supporting civil liberties, he was an evil evil man [Read this to see the real Berrigan]–

And Noam Chomsky. I had befriended him, I had worked with him against the Vietnam war. And suddenly he’s turning against Israel. When the far left turned against Israel,
I would become… somebody who could make the liberal case for Israel. That has become harder and harder to do. The demographics are clear. Republicans now support Israel much more strongly than Democrats.

Dersh said Chomsky had been his camp counselor at Jewish camp as a boy.

2. The importance of the Israel lobby.

Israel must always remain a bipartisan issue. We never want to see Israel become a referendum issue in an election. Why? We could lose! … Who could have predicted the outcome of the last election. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket.

Republican Jews have to keep the Buchanans out of that party, and Democrats have to defeat the Bernie Sanderses and Keith Ellisons. As for Ellison, “He thinks I’m the one who defeated his candidacy [for party chair]. I hope he’s right.” I wonder if that is true, or Dershowitzian BS.

3. Bernie Sanders.

The other day on al Jazeera Sanders made a strong case of defense for Israel. Sanders is a strange guy. It’s very hard to figure out what his politics are… He’s a decent man. His support for Israel is not deep and it’s opportunistic sometimes.

4. Third rate Israeli academics are flooding the world with anti-Zionism.

Some of the strongest anti Israel people at every university are Jews, and some of the most virulent and anti-Israel are Jewish Israelis.

It’s much harder to become a professor in Israel than in the U.S. because there are countless topflight minds over there, so a lot of the academics in Israel try to get jobs in Oslo, Poland, Paris, the midwest.

How do you get a job? How do you distinguish yourself? You become a talking dog. “The dog can talk?–oh we’ll hire any dog who can talk!” You become an Israel who is a virulent anti-Zionist. “That’s interesting! An Israeli who’s a virulent anti Zionist. That’s somebody to hire!” And so many of the second and third rate professors from Israel that come to American universities come as anti-Zionists.

The worst departments are Jewish and Israeli Studies. These are hotbeds of disaffected Israeli anti-Zionists, making “problems,” preaching against Israel.

That’s why Sheldon Adelson my dear friend, won’t fund professorships in Jewish studies.

5. Breaking the Silence are liars.

These are a couple of dozen hard left Israelis who went into the army reluctantly, picketed Israel when they were in the army, now come out of the army just lying through their teeth. Go on Youtube and you see a tape of members of Breaking the Silence lying and others… pointing out the lies.

This is very difficult. Facing Jews and Israelis who are so anti Israel that the students give them a lot of credibility and believe them. It’s a real tragedy.

6. Israel is superior.

There is no country in the world that has contributed more to the humanity in the first 69 years of its existence than the state of Israel. The world should be applauding Yom Ha’atzmaut, Israel’s birthday, instead of regarding it as Nakma– Nakba, which the Palestinians inflicted on themselves by not accepting [partition].

7. Dershowitz is blacklisted for honorary degrees and commencement speeches.

It used to be that he got an honorary degree “at every major university and I spoke at every major graduation.”

Today no major university will have me speak at a graduation because I’m too pro Israel. That includes Brandeis.

Brandeis withdrew an invitation under pressure a few years ago and said, Don’t worry we’ll invite you back in a year or two, but it never happened. Dershowitz has lost out to that talking dog!

If you’re anti Israel again you’re like the talking dog and everybody wants you.

8. Jews need to use their financial power to punish Israel’s critics.

“If you divest from Israel, we divest from you,” Jews need to tell schools. So far, no university has ever divested from Israel.

That has to remain the rule. Anyone that does has to be treated with economic consequences. We have to hit them in the pocketbook. Don’t ever ever be embarrassed about using Jewish power. Jewish power, whether it be intellectual, academic, economic, political– in the interest of justice is the right thing to do.

Don’t listen to me, listen to God, Dershowitz said. Jews say a prayer that only after the Jewish people have strength will they get peace. And we are “entitled” to the power we have in the U.S.

People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is, that’s not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington….

We are entitled to use our power. We have contributed disproportionately to the success of this country. We have done so much for this country. When you think of how much better this country has become since our grandparents and great grandparents took the risk of coming, here, we have not only the right we have the obligation to speak out, and use every piece, every bit of power available in support of Israel.

9. Trump has a better shot at peace than Obama because he’s got Israel’s back.

I’m not encouraged that we will see a full blown peace break out suddenly, but I do think the Trump administration is going to have better possibilities of peace than the Obama administration.

Dennis Ross explained it: when Israel knows it has America’s support, it takes risks for peace.

Obama got nothing because he deserved it…. I’m not encouraged but I do think this administration has a chance to bring the two sides closer together and to produce some tangible results.

10. Israel must stay “superior.”

I’m a very strong believer that peace should be tried as an option. We should try every option of peace before we have to resort to other forces, but the only way peace will be achieved, is if Israel remains qualitatively superior to all– all– its neighboring countries.

11. Here’s the finale. More Jewish influence.

Look, we are the most affluent successful generation of Jews anywhere in the world, that’s the good news. This is the best of times. It’s also the most dangerous of times…

I’m very encouraged about the future of Israel and strength of Israel. I’m very encouraged about the future of the American Jewish community. We are a very influential community. We deserve our influence. I hope all of you will participate in this great period of Jewish American, Jewish Israeli life, you have so much to contribute. Use what you’ve earned, use your influence to support Israel and support Jewish values.

Standing O. The orthodox pour out into the streets. It’s dark now in Scarsdale, but there’s throbbing thrilling Jewish pollen in the air.

Thanks to David Samel.

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  1. amigo
    May 10, 2017, 4:33 pm

    Give me a break Dershowits.Jews represent less than 2% of the US population.How about we treat you to some equality and give you influence based on your demographic standing. I forget , equality is anathema to the zionist psyche.

    As far as making America great , who the hell spent their blood and sweat on building the place.The Irish , the Mexicans , the Polish , the Chinese and many others . The descendants of Black Slaves represent 14 % of the population.

    Jerks like dershowits , who never have enough ,get decent Jews a bad name.He never fails to disgust.

  2. Kay24
    May 10, 2017, 5:23 pm

    For any American zionist, paying billions in aid, giving billions in weapons, supporting and protecting Israel at the US, making us face the hatred and anger from many around the world because of this support, gives them the right, to influence American policy. What chutzpah! American Jews, like other nationalities, have all contributed in various ways to the progress of this nation, and it takes some Israel firster, like Dershowitz, to speak of it like it is an entitlement exclusively for Jews.

  3. Keith
    May 10, 2017, 5:25 pm

    ALAN DERSHOWITZ- “People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is, that’s not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington….”

    There it is, right from the horse’s mouth. Zionism is a power-seeking ideology.

  4. Rusty Pipes
    May 10, 2017, 5:33 pm

    There’s a reason his autobiography is named “Chutzpah” and Finkelstein’s book is named, “Beyond Chutzpah.”

  5. Sulphurdunn
    May 10, 2017, 6:34 pm

    Dershowitz and people like him must have a mutual con-artists admiration society with American Nazis that keeps the money flowing into their respective paranoid hate coffers. When you can run a scam based on giving the marks a sense of ethnic or racial superiority and entitlement, while playing their fear and hate of “the other” like a fiddle, the dough just rolls in.

  6. JosephA
    May 10, 2017, 6:50 pm

    Alan Dershowitz was destroyed in the debate with Norman Finkelstein. I believe Dershowitz was also proven to be a plaigiarist, was he not? Maybe that’s why he was blacklisted?

    • RoHa
      May 10, 2017, 7:12 pm

      Destroyed? He’s still around, still prating.

    • oldgeezer
      May 10, 2017, 9:00 pm

      @JosephA

      I would love to see a list of campuses where he is blacklisted. I can’t find anywhere he has been blacklisted. A disinvite from Temple Adath Yeshurun and someone mentioned Brandeis but it looks like typical zionist projection as he is active in trying to create blacklists for pro Palestinian speakers.

      If you aren’t an eternal victim you must present the case you are one regardless.

      • Elizabeth Block
        May 11, 2017, 10:39 am

        Some years ago I got into an email exchange with someone – Ron Rosen??? can’t find the email – who told me that a lot of academics have suffered in their careers for their SUPPORT of Israel. Like who, I asked. Name three. He said he couldn’t think of any off the top of his head, but I should check out the CampusWatch website. CampusWatch, of course, keeps track of academics who criticize Israel, not those who support it.

        I asked a few people in a position to know, including Norman Finkelstein, if there were any who had suffered for supporting Israel. Nope. That is no doubt the reason why Rosen (or whoever he was) couldn’t think of any.

      • oldgeezer
        May 11, 2017, 2:40 pm

        @Elizabeth Block

        That could be why he couldn’t think of any yet at the same time it may well be a very sincere held believe of his as a result of constant propaganda.

    • Paranam Kid
      May 11, 2017, 7:45 am

      He may hav been destroyed in that debate, but he in urn destroyed Finkelstein’s career @ DePaul University.

  7. bettyberenson
    May 10, 2017, 8:21 pm

    Thank you, Prof. Dershowitz, for your support for Israel, and for helping us be more forceful in telling anti-Israel ideologues the truth about our love of Zionism, the very successful national liberation movement of the Jewish people.
    Chazak, Chazak, v’Nitchazek.

    • RoHa
      May 11, 2017, 12:26 am

      I think we are all completely clear about the strength of your love of Zionism. We don’t know why you love it so much that it destroys your moral sense.

      “Chazak, Chazak, v’Nitchazek.”

      Bless you. Gesundheit.

    • JohnSmith
      May 11, 2017, 12:45 am

      Thank you for the injection of humor! The ironic tone is a masterpiece of sarcasm! I love it! Maybe this “bettyberenson” character can be expanded and marketed, like “Mrs. Betty Bower, America’s Best Christian”!

      (P.S., the site doesn’t appear to be configured properly for secure log-in.)

    • Shingo
      May 11, 2017, 6:00 am

      Very funny Betty,

      What’s the punchline?

    • eljay
      May 11, 2017, 8:12 am

      || bettyberenson: Thank you, Prof. Dershowitz, for your support for Israel, and for helping us be more forceful in telling anti-Israel ideologues the truth about our love of Zionism, the very successful national liberation movement of the Jewish people. ||

      Thank you, bettyberenson, for your rabid support for the colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” project, and for telling the world the truth about the hatefulness and immorality of Zionism, the very successful hijacking of Judaism, Jewish and the Holocaust for the sake of your preferred brand of evil.

    • Misterioso
      May 11, 2017, 12:33 pm

      bettyberenson
      Read and heed:

      https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2017/05/09/is-the-international-community-unfairly-biased-against-israel/

      Foreign Policy Journal
      “Is the International Community Unfairly Biased Against Israel?” May 9/17
      By Colter Louwerse

      EXCERPT:

      “Self-proclaimed ‘supporters of Israel’ have pointed every which way in search of the source of Israel’s ever-worsening public relations debacle. It seems they’ve considered every possibility but the one staring them in the face: a 50 year old military occupation and the ongoing flagrant denial of Palestinian self-determination.

      “When those end, so too will Israel’s status as an international pariah.”

    • Misterioso
      May 11, 2017, 2:57 pm

      This event that Haaretz describes is beyond words and further proof that Israel is rotting within.

      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/1.788573

      Editorial “Protecting Our Children” Haaretz, May 11/17

      “In wake of the case of Elor Azaria, it is particularly incomprehensible that the police would demonstrate shooting and confirming the death of a prostrate man.”

      EXCERPT:

      “‘Has someone there lost his mind?’ wondered, justifiably, the father of a third-grader who attended a police community relations event in Ramat Hasharon that included a demonstration of a confirmed ‘kill’ of an ‘assailant.’ As hundreds of third- and fifth-graders from all of the town’s elementary schools looked on, four officers from the Special Patrol Unit rode up on motorcycles and began shooting at an ‘assailant.’ When he fell to the ground, they dismounted and continued firing at the supine ‘assailant,’ in order to ‘confirm the kill,’ as the children were told.”
      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/1.788573

    • amigo
      May 11, 2017, 3:44 pm

      BB , Try this , it just might warm your little zionist heart.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYskawC6-GY

      You see , BB , You are not alone.

  8. ckg
    May 10, 2017, 11:30 pm

    Virginia Roberts v. Ghislaine Maxwell goes to trial this month. Stock up on popcorn.

  9. Maghlawatan
    May 11, 2017, 12:40 am

    There is a very dangerous self congratulatory streak in the community that Dersh represents. “We are great because we are rich”. America is hopelessly polarised and life expectancy of white working class men is falling . The economic system was designed to flow cash from the working and middle classes to the rich and it works beautifully. Certain groups have benefited. But now it’s dangerous. Dersh should STFU and work on his kavanah. The lesson from 2016 is that people like Bannon will turn on the Jews if politically expedient to do so. If they do I wouldn’t expect the leadership to stand up for ordinary Jews either.
    And America is a mess.

    • ritzl
      May 14, 2017, 12:57 pm

      Yup. The US is becoming a zero-sum game with actual life-and-death stakes for a lot of people who don’t like watching helplessly as folks around them wither and die from completely treatable afflictions (or a foreclosed, life in the street, or perpetual war, or pick one from the list…)

      And there’s Dersh saying to Jews and for Jews (in his mind at least), “We got ours, make sure we use it to make sure we keep ours, and hopefully get more.”

      Dangerous-er and Dangerous-er. Tickling the dragon.

      Dershowitz is a VERY bad man.

  10. Paranam Kid
    May 11, 2017, 7:49 am

    Dershowitz: “Don’t ever ever be embarrassed about using Jewish power.”

    If anybody would have stated the exact same phrase about the Jews, the whole Jewish community would be up in arms for antisemitism.

    • Citizen
      May 11, 2017, 10:05 am

      I recall Ezra Pound had something to say about the origins of that Jewish power Dershowitz brags about–the once exclusive usury power, which surely was the wave of the future from medieval times…Cantos, anybody?

      • Mooser
        May 11, 2017, 11:11 am

        “–the once exclusive usury power,”

        That was a horrible thing, a coordinated program of anti-Semitism. The Gentiles said “How can we punish the Jews?” and they hit upon the perfect method: They would make us bankers!. Jews would have to wear suits, work in stuffy offices, and have to count all that money!

      • festus
        May 11, 2017, 12:01 pm

        I always wonder about that narrative. That Jews were so despised that the ruling classes put them in charge of money? Which is power.

      • oldgeezer
        May 11, 2017, 2:46 pm

        @Mooser

        On behalf of those gentiles without money I apologize.

      • Mooser
        May 13, 2017, 12:56 pm

        “…Cantos, anybody?”

        “You read your Emma Lazarus and I, my Ezra Pound…”

      • Mooser
        May 14, 2017, 3:27 pm

        Hmmm, that conversation was sorta left dangling.

  11. genesto
    May 11, 2017, 12:45 pm

    One word comes to mind in reading Dershbag’s comments – chilling!

    • Maghlawatan
      May 11, 2017, 1:34 pm

      Dersh and his generation will die and their odious mindset will die with them. He is a very bad advertisement for the Orthodox.

      • genesto
        May 11, 2017, 5:07 pm

        Hope I’m alive to celebrate!

      • YoniFalic
        May 13, 2017, 10:23 am

        Why is Dersh a bad advertisement for the Orthodox?

        Religious people really do not need anyone to give them a bad reputation because they do it so well by themselves.

        The leader of my research team says Dershowitz is secular and met with him at a Congregation Etz Haim in Cambridge on Shabbes when Dershowitz lived on Reservoir Hill. The distance from Dersh’s home to the synagogue is not walkable, and Dersh drove there. He also ate the snacks of dubious kashrut.

        As an historian, I wonder what Dersh thinks American Jews did for America to justify giving American Jews disproportionate influence on any US government policy.

      • RoHa
        May 13, 2017, 11:36 pm

        Hollywood, perhaps?

      • Mooser
        May 14, 2017, 8:59 pm

        “The leader of my research team says Dershowitz is secular”

        Really? Lots of people seem to think he’s been involved in some weird sects.

      • YoniFalic
        May 15, 2017, 3:44 am

        Does a sect have to be associated with religious belief? I have heard people describe psychology as a Jewish sect, but that description is not meant to associate it with religious practices or religious faith.

        To tell the truth, as my Arabic improves and I read more Islamist texts, I am not sure to what extent Islamism should be considered religious per se even if some Islamists are very religious.

        Maybe we should identify Zionism as a form of radical Judaicism. This particular form of radical Judaicism should not be considered religious per se even if some Zionists are very religious. For the last century my family has been for the most part anti-religious and anti-Judaism even if we have been Zionists for three generation.

      • Mooser
        May 15, 2017, 12:20 pm

        “Does a sect have to be associated with religious belief?”

        I don’t think so. Many non-religious people have all the sects they want, and then some.

      • hophmi
        May 22, 2017, 1:31 pm

        He’s not orthodox.

      • Mooser
        May 22, 2017, 4:58 pm

        “He’s not orthodox.”

        No, Dershowitz is certainly not orthodox when it comes to sects. But still and all, a lawyer ought to respect the law.

  12. James Canning
    May 11, 2017, 3:23 pm

    Surely Dershowitz comprehends the Palestinians will accept partition – – as set out in 1967 border.

  13. RobertHenryEller
    May 11, 2017, 5:34 pm

    Unless we are Jewish Americans who disagree with Dershowitz on Israel policy, and then we can just go fuck ourselves, right, Deshowitz?

    And I always thought America allowed Jews the opportunity to become great.

    Exactly what share of America’s defense and intelligence budgets should be allocated to Zionist decision makers? How do we Jewish Americans measure our “disproportionate greatness” compared with other Americans?

  14. Zara
    May 11, 2017, 7:33 pm

    What I can’t figure out about a guy like Dershowitz is does he believe his own bullshit or does he really believe that the US should be manipulated by whatever means to put Israel’s interests above it’s own, regardless of the cost in lives, reputation and treasure?

    I personally believe it’s the latter. He comes very close to admitting it. One of these days, Americans are going to figure this out and then the retribution will be severe…to zionists and non-zionists alike. That’s why it is so important to destroy these guys (and Israel too).

    • talknic
      May 11, 2017, 9:34 pm

      Simple. Alan Dershowitz is probably compromised.

      The Zionist Federation have had over a century to practice the art of of grooming their people, money, favor. Encouraging debt and indebtedness and getting the dirt on those they might need at some time in the future. Carefully making sure their influence and people are moving in the right circles to suit their cause. Circles where there’s plenty of opportunity for Marcs and Jareds to meet Chelseas and Ivancas and for the Dershowitz’s to advance their careers as long as they toe the Zionist line. One step out of place and they’re dead in the water, discarded, ruined or, as with Rabin and I dare say even Sharon, murdered

      By comparison to the Zionist Federation, we’re all newbies, way behind the eight ball. All state governments change. Their policies change. Their priorities change. Their alliances change. US Presidents have an eight year tenure max. A mere blip. Dershowitz is just another useful idiot

    • Mooser
      May 12, 2017, 11:59 am

      Dershowitz was just giving his ‘little tent’ show, and of course, he’s got to give the rubes what they came for.

  15. MondoPunk
    May 11, 2017, 8:58 pm

    Self-flattering much??! Black people have contributed far more in labor (under duress) and culture. Building the railroads, the White House, and bringing forth not just one but several dominant forms of music to this land.

    Why is it in any way acceptable for Jews like Dersh to be vastly more devoted to Israel than to the USA?? By comparison, if Japanese Americans showed more loyalty to Japan than to the US, they’d be interned…. oh, wait, we did that to them already. So, again I ask…

    Drunk on nauseating self-entitlement like a typical Zionista, there is nothing at all special or unique about Dersh, except perhaps his apparent belief in his own BS.

  16. Kathleen
    May 12, 2017, 8:23 am

    Ethnocentric bloviator.

    Although have to say Dershowitz did admit his influence has diminished. More well distributed facts about the conflict have been getting in his way.

  17. Froggy
    May 12, 2017, 3:04 pm

    Jews made America great so ‘we deserve our influence’ on Israel policy, Dershowitz tells Scarsdale synagogue

    I can only wonder at any Jew making such a speech. If a gentile had made a speech claiming that a substantial number of Jewish Americans believed that they, as a community, have the degree of control that Dershowitz claims they do, and that they had a right to use this control over their fellow Americans for their own purposes, that person would be accused of being an anti-Semite for hauling out all those stereotypical accusations.

    Weren’t we taught that these old stereotypes were stories that bigots made up to slander the Jews?

    What is Dershowitz trying to achieve? Are Jewish extremists like Dershowitz (and our own ‘Betty’) really that tone deaf? Or is there something else at play here? I find myself wondering whether for some reason there is this group of extremist Jewish propagandists who are trying to resurrect the old anti-Semitism, the kind that was prevalent in American society from the 1920s through to the 1970s, and though slowly dying, was still a factor in the 1980s. Why would any Jew want to do this? What would there be to gain?

    In those days it wasn’t unusual to hear people claim that there is a Jewish international conspiracy, and that Jews were secretly influencing the United States government either in collaboration with Israel or for the benefit of Israel. They used to point to examples of wealthy Jews in the business community and the financial sector, accusing them of using their money to manipulate the US government, American institutions, and, through Jewish control of Hollywood and the media, American public opinion, for their benefit. As late as the 1980s a number of non-Jewish Americans still held to a common belief that Jews, including Jewish American citizens who had been born, raised, and educated in the US, didn’t quite ‘belong’ in American society.

    The American psychologist David J. Schneider quotes sociologist Robert Wuthnow as writing that ‘three large clusters of traits are part of the Jewish stereotype’ (Wuthnow, 1982).

    — First, Jews are seen as being powerful and manipulative.
    — Second, they are accused of dividing their loyalties between the United States and Israel.
    — A third set of traits concerns Jewish materialistic values, aggressiveness, clannishness.

    [Schneider, David J. The psychology of stereotyping. New York: Guilford Press, 2004. p. 461.]
    [Wuthnow, Robert. “Anti-Semitism and Stereotyping.” In the Eye of the Beholder: Contemporary Issues in Stereotyping, ed, by Arthur G. Miller. NY: Praeger, 1982. pp. 137-187.]

    I’m no expert at this stuff. However, I am old enough — just — to remember when this particular prejudice was still, to quote my old tutor, ‘in the air’.

    Amigo pointed out that ‘Jerks like dershowits , who never have enough ,get decent Jews a bad name’, which makes me wonder whether a number of Americans who themselves have never been anti-Semitic will read what the zionista extremists have been saying and begin wondering whether their bigoted grandparents may have been right after all.

    Finally, if the accusations are true is it anti-Semitism?

    Froggy… who knows better

    • amigo
      May 12, 2017, 3:49 pm

      Froggy , greetings from Ireland –that small EU outpost on the Western shore of Europe. We are still here and fully committed members of the EU.Glad to see France will be staying with the family for at least another 5 years.We may even have to erect “hard borders” to protect the other 26 Member states from the Saxon hordes and their fearless leader “Madam (get the best deal for the UK ) May.

      About the Dersh , he is such a nasty piece of work who is totally dissociated from anything not Jewish.Can you begin to imagine just how insulting he could be towards goys in a private setting where only members of the tribe are present.

      The man disgusts me .

      • Froggy
        May 12, 2017, 10:44 pm

        Hello fellow Celt ! (If you ever figure out what a Celt actually is, do let me know. No one, it seems, has a clue. I certainly don’t.)

        We are still here and still part of the European family. (Pity the poor Brits though. My English husband is desolate. But then, he always saw the British as being both British AND European.)

        We may even have to erect “hard borders” to protect the other 26 Member states from the Saxon hordes and their fearless leader “Madam (get the best deal for the UK ) May.

        Too late. The EU is where Brits go to get old. Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece, and Crete are full of them.

        Holding on to the notion that identity is a matter of race is always a losing battle. Amigo, you have to keep in mind that Dersh and his ilk are a lost people, a people without a present identity that ties them to their past, and as such are more pathetic than disgusting.

        You might find this of interest — I certainly did :

        http://reubenroth.com/papers/Short%20Version%20-%20Roth%20Yiddish%20Paper%20.pdf

      • RoHa
        May 13, 2017, 10:55 am

        A Celt is a stone axe.

      • amigo
        May 13, 2017, 4:09 pm

        “Hello fellow Celt ! (If you ever figure out what a Celt actually is, do let me know. No one, it seems, has a clue. I certainly don’t.) ” Froggy

        Let me help you with that.

        A Celt is a member of the Celtic tribe , a people without land and God,s chosen People and the true indigenous people of Europe who in 1200 BC were forced from “Celtrael ” their Historic Homeland during the great Exodus.Ever since then , every Celt in the disapora has yearned to return to his/her God given land to claim the long awaited right to self determination in what will be the one and only Celtic State on earth.Our 3000 yr connection to Celtrael ,has never been broken .

        The Celtic people have been forced for millennia to flee from one nation to another , never finding a welcome and suffering at the hands of Celt haters.

        Never again.

      • gamal
        May 13, 2017, 4:31 pm

        “Celtrael” listen leftist it’s Isgael

        not all Celts are kosher.

      • amigo
        May 13, 2017, 5:00 pm

        “Celtrael” listen leftist it’s Isgael”. Gamal

        Listen Yossi , my mother is Celtraeli and that makes me a Celtraeli. Your rules.

      • Mooser
        May 13, 2017, 6:52 pm

        ,” never finding a welcome and suffering…”

        This is especially gauling, considering the many contributions of Celts to Eurisrael culture and stuff.

      • Froggy
        May 13, 2017, 11:29 pm

        RoHa :: A Celt is a stone axe.

        Meh. I’ve been called worse.

        :)

      • Froggy
        May 13, 2017, 11:54 pm

        You guys are hilarious !

        Since my ancestors came to France from the West Country I figure I’ll just row on over to the land of my fathers and claim a nice house in Sandbanks. The English won’t mind. They still have Dagenham, and It’s what God wants after all.

        We’ve been there before. Like back in the year 431 when, according to legend, my ancestors crossed Mor-Breizh to make a stealth raid on the Welsh. That is when nicked most of their vowels. We kept the vowels we needed, and sold the rest to the French.

      • MHughes976
        May 15, 2017, 4:13 am

        Can’t match those puns but I have found an argument in fundamentalist circles that an original ‘Galt’ became Celt and Gaul in various dialects but had derived from a Semitic Galut, the word for unholy exile so important in Jewish theology. The Assyrians dispersed the Ten Tribes, it is argued, thinking they would simply vanish. Their point of departure was Gaulon/Golan, mentioned in the Bible as a city of refuge. They became the ruling class wherever they went and previously barbarian tribes were keen to adopt the name they called themselves.
        This idea may not catch on, though I’ve sometimes wondered if there wasn’t something Gallic about Gaulanitis, the rather medical sounding Hellenistic name for Golan. Yoni has noted my weakness for folk etymology.

      • amigo
        May 15, 2017, 6:52 am

        Froggy , thanks for the link.I am 1/3 way through.

        Very educational and interesting.

    • RoHa
      May 13, 2017, 1:17 am

      “Finally, if the accusations are true is it anti-Semitism?”

      As far as I can tell, truth is no defence in cases of “hate speech”.

      • Froggy
        May 13, 2017, 11:57 pm

        RoHa :: As far as I can tell, truth is no defence in cases of “hate speech”.

        What then is Truth ?

      • Keith
        May 14, 2017, 11:31 am

        FROGGY- “What then is Truth ?”

        That which is supported by empirical data.

      • Mooser
        May 14, 2017, 12:20 pm

        “That which is supported by empirical data.”

        That’s the hegemony of truth! All hale the empire’s data!

      • Froggy
        May 14, 2017, 1:09 pm

        Keith :: That which is supported by empirical data.

        Whose data ?

        (I agree with you BTW.)

      • Keith
        May 14, 2017, 4:16 pm

        FROGGY- “Whose data ?”

        Data from sources you trust based upon historically demonstrated accuracy. Also, the data needs to be consistent with other relevant data. Anomalies require explanation. Imperial sources are always suspect, however, frequently it is not the data per se but the weaving of fanciful tales with no data or with obviously misinterpreted data. A good example would be the recent French election about which you and I seem to disagree. Of course, I am in the US and didn’t see the debates, etc. Yet, what does the US media say about Marine Le Pen? Basically, they provide no information, no data, they simply label her as extreme right and fascist. Proof by labeling. From the alternate media, I discover that she wants to exit NATO, improve relations with Russia, and condemned Trump’s Syrian missile strike. A fascist who at least says she opposes militarism? I believe that is called an oxymoron. Likewise, Macron’s support for NATO and militarism seems more of what we tend to associate with fascism. My point being that government/media propaganda relies on labels and persuasion to essentially scare the voters into voting against one of the candidates. These are marketing campaigns, nothing more. The primary reason you have elections is to permit big money to control the government while simultaneously convincing the citizenry that they live in a democracy.

      • RoHa
        May 14, 2017, 7:16 pm

        I thought the question was a joke, but if Keith takes you seriously, so will I.

        (If you can handle the truth, that is.)

        I hold the correspondence theory of truth, so I consider that truth is a relationship between representations of reality and reality itself. (Assuming there is such a thing. )(And Jesus was talking nonsense. A person is not a relationship.)

        The nature of this relationship was neatly summed up by Aristotle:
        “To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true.”

        You can read more about it here.

        https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-correspondence/

        There are other theories of truth, such as the pragmatic theory (“if it works, it’s true”) and the coherence theory (“if it hangs together*, it’s true), but I’m going to pretend there aren’t, because I don’t think they are true.

        (*And that reminds me of a joke which I learned in Denmark and which is far too disgusting for these refined circles.)

  18. Rashers2
    May 12, 2017, 7:07 pm

    “Reverend Daniel Berrigan– he was an unbelievable anti-Semite, a real bigot, he called Israel a criminal community of Jews, he said that Jews had to choose between supporting Israel and supporting civil liberties, he was an evil[,] evil man.” (Yes, I followed the link to the speech, which I then recalled having read last year, here). If – per Dershowitz – what Berrigan said, rather than what Israel did in 1973, did before then and does today, was “evil” and makes Berrigan into an “unbelievable anti-Semite”, what do this and the rest of his sick, unending apologia for the indefensible make Dershowitz?
    “We are entitled to use our power. We have contributed disproportionately to the success of this country. We have done so much for this country. When you think of how much better this country has become since our grandparents and great grandparents took the risk of coming[,] here, we have not only the right we have the obligation to speak out, and use every piece, every bit of power available in support of Israel.” Remind me where I have heard such blatant “entitlement” before. Could it have been from Jewish Israeli politicians (as opposed to Arab Israeli politicians, lest someone palm off the a-S card on me)? Surely not… Btw, “…since our grandparents and great grandparents took the risk of coming…” Sorry, Prof. Dershowitz: they “took the risk of coming” to the USA? This was therefore – implicitly – selfless altruism? They didn’t, perhaps, come to the USA to avoid the risk of staying where they had been, then?
    “We should try every option of peace before we have to resort to other forces, but the only way peace will be achieved, is if Israel remains qualitatively superior to all– all– its neighboring countries.” „Macht ist Recht“ again, eh, Dershowitz?
    The man is beneath and beyond contempt: his defences of Israeli policies and actions which are contrary to international law make mockery of his chair at Harvard and should disqualify him from any academic life, anywhere, on the grounds of his intellectual corruption and of his utter betrayal of the supposedly-universal academic aspiration to the truth.
    It is beyond time Dershowitz made his eternal Aliyah to somewhere hotter – by which is not meant a colonial enterprise on the Eastern shores of the Mediterranean.

    • RoHa
      May 13, 2017, 1:08 am

      And he put a comma after a subject clause.

      “… the only way peace will be achieved, is if Israel remains qualitatively superior to all– all– its neighboring countries”

      There is no limit to this man’s vileness.

  19. yonah fredman
    May 12, 2017, 7:52 pm

    I oppose dersh’s line of thought. I think the US Congressional debate on israel palestine should be vigorous rather than timid and the success of aipac in defeating charles Percy has inhibited honest vigorous debate. Jews came to America by the millions to escape the czars and the pogroms and contributed mightily to the culture and the politics of america, but American foreign policy should be guided by clear thinking, vigorous debate and clarity of purpose.

    • Maghlawatan
      May 13, 2017, 12:11 am

      Yonah , Dersh’s generation were determined to do things differently to their parents generation, the ones who stood by and let the Shoah happen. That is the power Israel has over US Jews. “You didn’t watch our back then, so do it now”.

      I think Dersh’s motivation is decent but that his execution is deplorable. “Fuck you” is not kosher. There is a reason why care and respect for others including foreigners is core to Orthodox thinking. Because it works.

      Israel involves a departure from the tenets of Judaism. IT is not clear that it is a success

    • Mooser
      May 13, 2017, 12:39 pm

      Shorter “yonah”: ‘ Everybody has to fix Israel, except Israel’

    • Mooser
      May 13, 2017, 12:42 pm

      “I oppose dersh’s line of thought.”

      Of course you do “yonah”.

      “Jews came to America by the millions to escape the czars and the pogroms and contributed mightily to the culture and the politics of america”

      Oh well, you lasted about a sentence, anyway.

  20. KittenKaboodle
    May 13, 2017, 12:01 am

    Alan Dershowitz is one of the most dishonest figures I have ever encountered in public life. Here is a small piece of his work. In his 2005 book, “The Case for Peace,” Dershowitz quoted Noam Chomsky as saying this: “The Jews don’t need a second homeland in Israel because they already have a homeland in New York.” What Noam actually said (paraphrasing ) is more or less the following: “To argue, as some have, that the Palestinians don’t need a second homeland in the Occupied Territories because they already have a homeland in Jordan, is the same as if someone were to argue that the Jews don’t need a second homeland in Israel because they already have a homeland in New York.” In other words, Noam was treating the theory of the second homeland with great derision, whether you are talking about the Jews or the Palestinians. It shouldn’t be necessary to point this out but it is not Chomsky who changed but Dershowitz. Noam has taken the same approach to Israeli aggression in the territories as he did to U.S. aggression in Southeast Asia. Among other things, Dershowitz has become an advocate of certain forms of torture. Some civil libertarian! If you want to read a book that takes Dershowitz down, fairly but devastatingly, read Howard Friel’s “Chomsky and Dershowitz: On Endless War and the End of Civil Liberties.”

  21. mcgowandaniel
    May 13, 2017, 6:42 am

    White supremacism is open for discussion, debate, and usually ridicule at most colleges and universities. Jewish supremacism cannot even be whispered.

    • gamal
      May 13, 2017, 12:53 pm

      “White supremacism is open for discussion, debate”

      and yet

      “usually ridicule at most colleges”

      your extraordinary vagueness does not detract from the sad fact that “White supremacism” which is a cherished cultural value, is it not, is not receiving the respect it undoubtedly has a right to expect, i suggest you show them who is boss.

      “most colleges” thats a really worrying assertion, “colleges” centres of ideological pathology, but does anyone doubt that Jews are superior to Anglo-Saxons? I thought the Nobel committee had long ago set that one to rest.

      Anti-whitism the last acceptable prejudice fomented in colleges and probably Synagogues.

    • Mooser
      May 13, 2017, 5:45 pm

      “White supremacism is open for discussion, debate, and usually ridicule at most colleges and universities. Jewish supremacism cannot even be whispered.”

      Jeez, I hadn’t thought about that. Those poor white people, trapped between Jews on top, and minorities thrusting themselves up from below. Never realized before how dire their situation is.

    • hophmi
      May 19, 2017, 1:52 am

      More anti-Semitism here at Mondoweiss.

      • Keith
        May 19, 2017, 10:38 am

        HOPHMI- “More anti-Semitism here at Mondoweiss.”

        You have got a lot on your plate, big fella!

      • Mooser
        May 19, 2017, 12:36 pm

        “More anti-Semitism here at Mondoweiss.”

        “Hophmi”, you should listen to “Yonah”. He explains it all:

        “Some anti Christians hate the Jews double, first for not accepting the new messiah and his new post judaism message and then a second time for producing jesus imposed on them to make them forget their natural pagan selves. – “yonah fredman” http://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/diplomats-western-backpedals/#comment-177088

        What can you do with people like that? “Natural pagans” every one.

  22. Ossinev
    May 13, 2017, 7:23 am

    @Zara
    “What I can’t figure out about a guy like Dershowitz is does he believe his own bullshit or does he really believe that the US should be manipulated by whatever means to put Israel’s interests above it’s own, regardless of the cost in lives, reputation and treasure”

    I think the bottom line with Dershowitz is that he is a sad pathetic little man with a fragile ego who will speak to and deliver whatever bullshit he believes is necessary (not bullshit that he actually believes) to whatever the appropriate and receptive audience in order to keep this fragile ego afloat and get the feeling that somebody loves and respects him. In his particular case the receptive and adoring audience are braindead Zionists.

    When I read about his latest foray into Ziospeak in fact whenever I hear or read about the man in general I have this forever image of his little weasel eyes frantically darting in panic every which way and the nervous lying smile when put under the cosh by a real intellect:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKvRzgCPd4Q

    I 100% agree with Norman Finklestein who in another forum described Dershowitz as “clueless” “disgusting” and “creepy”.

    • Annie Robbins
      May 13, 2017, 10:21 am

      Ossinev, thank you for that 2nd video. norm also called him a pathological liar, which i whole heartily agree with.

    • Froggy
      May 14, 2017, 12:18 am

      Oh GOD ! He’s brilliant. Hilarious, and brilliant. I love his take on BHL, and he’s spot on.

      The French know that BHL is a fraud. It’s obvious. But then I have become convinced that the French keep poseurs like BHL and his ilk around for their own amusement. It’s fun to see what complete rubbish he can come up with.

  23. Maghlawatan
    May 13, 2017, 9:02 am

    Anyone who supports Israel because it is nominally Jewish needs to know the full package. Even if you ignore the Palestinian issue the country is odious

    Last year the IDF chief rabbi said rape was kosher in wartime.
    He also believes gay people are sick.
    Last year a rabbi in a haredi town babbed 5 year old girls from bike rides citing immodest
    Orthodox won’t allow women to sing alongside men.

    Israel is the worst country in the OECD in which to be a woman. It is a dysfunctional mysogynistic militarised theocracy.

  24. Maghlawatan
    May 13, 2017, 6:10 pm

    Jewish supremacism crashes into a wall called ultra Orthodox. Shatnez Inspectors are losers. If you spend 15 years learning by rote that is what happens. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
    There is nothing special about Hebrews. IsraeL is proof they can fuck things up as well as any goys.

  25. Ossinev
    May 14, 2017, 1:49 pm

    “That’s why Sheldon Adelson my dear friend, won’t fund professorships in Jewish studies”

    Arslikhanism at its finest. Sheldon must be so so proud of his little apprentice and may well have hopes that Dershowitz will mature even in his fading years to be the towering Zionist intellect which he is.

  26. talknic
    May 14, 2017, 11:51 pm

    Can’t find any legal validity in Dershowitz’s argument. Zionism sure eats away at them brain cells

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