Pop star ‘Lorde’ honors BDS call, cancels Tel Aviv concert

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The pop singer Lorde announced on Sunday that she would be canceling her June 5th performance in Tel Aviv after pressure from the Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS).

On social media, the New Zealand singer explained that, while she had researched the issue before scheduling her performance in Tel Aviv, in the end she believed she had not made “the right call” in choosing to plan an show in Israel.

“Hey guys, so about this Israel show — I’ve received an overwhelming number of messages & letters and have had a lot of discussions with people holding many views, and I think the right decision at this time is to cancel the show,” Lorde wrote in a statement to her fans. “I pride myself on being an informed young citizen, and I had done a lot of reading and sought a lot of opinions before deciding to book a show in Tel Aviv, but I’m not too proud to admit I didn’t make the right call on this one.”

Lorde went on to say visiting Tel Aviv had “been a dream” of hers for many years, and apologized to her fans for reversing her commitment to play in the coastal city.

The BDS movement encourages the economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel due to the country’s treatment of Palestinians and the ongoing occupation of Palestinian territory.

By canceling the show, Lorde joined the ranks of Roger Waters, Elvis Costello, Thurston Moore, Lauryn Hill and others who have also committed themselves to the BDS of Israel.

Israeli Minister of Culture, Miri Regev, said in a statement that she hoped Lorde would reverse her decision.

“Lorde, I’m hoping you can be a ‘pure heroine,’ like the title of your first album,” Regev said. “Be a heroine of pure culture, free from any foreign – and ridiculous – political considerations.”

Meanwhile, the official Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), thanked the singer for canceling the tour, “and heeding appeals from your fans against Israel’s art-washing of its brutal oppression of Palestinians.”

“Your unwavering commitment to progressive values inspires us and gives us hope,” the group said.

Since Lorde is from New Zealand, Dayenu: New Zealand Jews against the illegal occupation of Palestinian land and lives, weighed in, thanking Lorde for “a holiday miracle.”

“This is a seminal moment for BDS. Lorde’s courageous decision has reignited the conversation in the entertainment industry about the reality of Israeli occupation and the importance of human rights. We hope that her actions will inspire Lorde’s many young, progressive fans to carry on the movement and speak out against injustice.”

The group continued, pointing out that while the cultural boycott of Israel is “crucial,” it is “only the beginning.”

“We call on businesses and governments to follow Lorde’s lead by divesting from and sanctioning Israel for their violations of international law.”

The group also called on young Jewish people around the world to act.

“Advocating for BDS is never an easy task. Many of us face the threat of ostracisation from our communities and families every time we speak out. Many of us will also have family and friends in Israel. While we want them to be able to enjoy the gift of Lorde’s music with us, we insist that basic human rights must take priority. A sustainable future for both of our peoples is possible, but only with the end of the Israeli occupation,” the statement ended.

Yuval Ben-Ami, a Tel Aviv-based journalist and artist is one of Lorde’s biggest fans who has been working on a project in which he translates Lorde’s lyrics to Hebrew, all the while documenting the project in a blog on +972.

In an interview with Newsweek, Ben-Ami said he supported Lorde, despite the fact that it means he will not be able to see Lorde live in his city.

“Several other great artists have canceled, [but Lorde] appears to be the first of her generation, and that’s meaningful,” Ben-Ami told the magazine.

“I am a huge fan of Lorde, but an even bigger fan of equality,” he said. “So long as people here live without rights, hers is the right choice, and if the BDS movement is emulated in other places where human rights are a concern, that would be commendable.”

About Sheren Khalel

Sheren Khalel is a freelance multimedia journalist who works out of Israel, Palestine and Jordan. She focuses on human rights, women's issues and the Palestine/Israel conflict. Khalel formerly worked for Ma'an News Agency in Bethlehem, and is currently based in Ramallah and Jerusalem. You can follow her on Twitter at @Sherenk.

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  1. Marnie
    December 26, 2017, 11:00 am

    “Lorde, I’m hoping you can be a ‘pure heroine,’ like the title of your first album,” Regev said. “Be a heroine of pure culture, free from any foreign – and ridiculous – political considerations.”

    Oh you gotta hope a lot harder than that Miri Regev – culture killer. Free from any foreign (you mean like Lorde?) and “ridiculous political considerations” unless they’re in line with the zionist narrative and favor them.

    How stupid can she be? WTF Regev, that’s completely incoherent. Maybe Cat-a-lan can splain it to me.

    Very proud of Lorde, though I don’t know her music, for her openness and change of heart. Because once you are presented with the facts, there’s no other choice you could make except to boycott israel. Bravo!

  2. Marnie
    December 26, 2017, 11:07 am

    Lorde: Roseanne Barr calls singer a ‘bigot’ for cancelling Israel show
    @christophhooton |
    Tuesday 26 December 2017 09:47 GMT|
    The Independent Culture

    Emmy Award winner and loyal Trump supporter Roseanne Barr has called for a counter-boycott of Lorde after she cancelled a scheduled concert in Tel Aviv for political reasons.

    The New Zealand singer said in a statement that she has decided not play in the Israeli city next summer following “lots of discussions”.

    “Boycott this bigot: Lorde caves to BDS pressure, cancels Israel concert,” Barr wrote on Twitter, linking to The Jerusalem Post’s article on the matter.

    When another user suggested the singer had been bullied by “trolls” from the Boycott, Divest, Sanction movement, Barr added (sic): “if they do not know enough about hating jews after WW2-they NEVER will-i say fuck them.”

    #SAD! I never realized what an absolute bully Barr has become. Or maybe always? The call to boycott swings both ways. Won’t be watching anything with her in it in this lifetime ever again.

    • Emory Riddle
      December 26, 2017, 7:31 pm

      Roseanne Barr.

      A liberal Jew who turns into a flaming racist when it comes to Israel.

      Not exactly unique, is she?

      • Talkback
        December 27, 2017, 1:58 am

        Yep. Being primarily “liberal” when its good for the Jews. And being primarily Jewish when its not good to be liberal.

    • Kay24
      December 27, 2017, 3:11 am

      This Roseanne Barr?

      “Roseanne went from tapping into the zeitgeist to self-parody in a matter of years. Instead of laughing with us, Roseanne now hates a good portion us. Today, Roseanne inhabits the seamy recesses of the pro-Israel Twittersphere, raging against anyone who doesn’t conform to her Likudist, anti-Muslim line, branding them “Nazis” and sometimes fantasizing about their deaths. Her allies are a collection of anonymous racists and professional pro-Israel propagandists, almost exclusively of the right-wing variety. And while she somehow maintains a gig at NBC, she seems to be heading toward the depressing end of a sad downhill slide.”
      And
      “Just over a year later, Roseanne underwent another stunning transformation as inexplicable as her last. She converted to extreme Likudism, adopting the anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian tendencies that go with it. She now calls Israel’s critics, Nazis. Noted BDS activist and Jewish Israeli Ronnie Barkan was a “Nazi,” according to Roseanne, and so was BDS itself. Supporters of Palestinian rights were “Nazis helpers,” implying that Palestinians themselves are the real Nazis.

      She cannot afford to call anyone a “racist”. She seems to have converted to a racist zionist.

    • Misterioso
      December 27, 2017, 10:50 am

      Roseanne Barr is nuts!!

      To wit:

      https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-wells/roseanne-barr-says-israel_b_615482.html

      World Post
      “Roseanne Barr Says Israel Must End Their Blockade and Occupation of Gaza”

      “It is time for American Jews to demand that Obama instruct Israel to obey international law.”

      EXCERPT:
      “Well-known actress and comedian, Roseanne Barr, has been a consistent and persistent voice for decades against some of the acts committed by the state of Israel. Specifically, she has vigorously, unflinchingly, unequivocally, uncompromisingly, and courageously called upon Israel to end its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.

      “‘With this latest incident of the flotilla raid by Israeli commandos, we sat down for a talk.'”

      • Keith
        December 27, 2017, 12:02 pm

        MISTERIOSO- “Roseanne Barr is nuts!!”

        In the interview you linked, Barr refers to Rachael Corrie as a “Jewish American.” Did Rachael consider herself Jewish? A quick web check yielded nothing. If true, I am surprised that this is the first I have heard of it. As for Barr being nuts, I tend to agree. Some of what she says is true, some outrageous. As a whole, there is a shocking incoherence to her worldview. The one constant is her Judeocentrism and diehard belief in Jewish victimhood.

      • Misterioso
        December 27, 2017, 2:19 pm

        @Keith

        “In the interview you linked, Barr refers to Rachael Corrie as a ‘Jewish American.’ Did Rachael consider herself Jewish?”

        No!

    • genesto
      December 27, 2017, 12:11 pm

      So happy that the Zionazis are quoting Roseanne Barr! No better way to lose credibility than to quote someone with serious mental problems!

    • US Citizen
      December 27, 2017, 12:48 pm

      Wait, let me get this straight, Jews, all the time call for boycotting this and boycotting that and now Roseanne is call for a boycott but the rest of the world cannot boycott Israel?

      Oh hell no. BDS even more.

    • RoHa
      December 27, 2017, 8:45 pm

      Are the fans of Ms Lorde likely to be influenced by the comments of a fat actress who had a fairly successful TV show some years before they were born?

      • Naftush
        December 29, 2017, 12:05 am

        So when argumentation fails, try body shaming, eh?

      • Talkback
        December 29, 2017, 3:46 am

        @ Naftush

        What argument, Naftush? Please elaborate. It’s quite rare that a Zionist has an argument. And if she or he is it even more rare that it is rational and not judeocentric racist.

      • RoHa
        December 29, 2017, 5:31 am

        I don’t understand your point.

        I don’t see any failed argumentation.

        I was simply pointing out that, as a fat has-been, she is not the sort of person young people are likely to pay much attention to.
        (I should have said “an old, fat, has-been”. She is only a few years younger than me, an old, skinny, never-was.)

        If she is ashamed of being fat, that’s her problem.

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2017, 12:47 pm

        “So when argumentation fails, try body shaming, eh?”

        Well, “Naftush”, I don’t approve of it myself, but you must admit that “body shaming” has had one heck of an effect on us male Jews.

        Would you be proud of the body you were born with?

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2017, 1:48 pm

        ” She is only a few years younger than me, an old, skinny, never-was.”

        You know what the Duchess says, “RoHa”: “You can’t be too rich, or too thin”

  3. Citizen
    December 26, 2017, 11:26 am

    Good for her. Did anybody here see, listen to CSPAN debate between Cornell West & Allan Dershowitz regarding BDS?

    • Marnie
      December 26, 2017, 12:18 pm

      I did not see or listen to it Citizen, thanks for the info. I really like Dr. West.

  4. Citizen
    December 26, 2017, 11:38 am

    Did anybody watch the West v Dershowtize debate on BDS on CSPAN?

    • Talkback
      December 26, 2017, 1:13 pm

      West failed miserably.

      • Citizen
        December 29, 2017, 5:48 am

        I agree. Especially when it came to Dershowitz’s constant whataboutisms. He also should have countered the negative special treatment argument with Israel’s status as top beneficiary of US taxpayer dollars & 41 US UN CS vetos.

  5. Brewer
    December 26, 2017, 1:57 pm

    Aotearoa New Zealand’s resident Israeli shill, Juliet Moses (spokesperson for the New Zealand Jewish Council), weighs in with an extraordinarily fact-free diatribe:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/100173957/jewish-council-lorde-takes-a-bow-to-the-bullies

    Having just demonised Palestinians and confirmed apartheid (“”Peace for us means Israel’s destruction and nothing else”. Their ultimate goal, as stated by a founder of the campaign, Omar Barghouti, is the complete end of Israel, the world’s one Jewish state.”) she concludes that:
    “Resolution and real peace, in the form of self-determination for two people – a two-state solution – will not come from estrangement, segregation and a demonisation of one side.”

  6. Maghlawatan
    December 26, 2017, 3:45 pm

    Oh Lorde

    It’s the fat slags!

    https://youtu.be/0iMBwXCTxlY

    ( Viz magazine’s intro to the 2 was always Oh Lordy…)

    Israel has lost social media. Fat elderly Jewish slags still support it but millenials are a write off.

  7. Annie Robbins
    December 26, 2017, 3:48 pm

    pop singer Lorde announced on Sunday that she would be canceling her June 5th performance in Tel Aviv after pressure from the Palestinian Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement

    did she really say that? did she use the word “pressure”? because the quotes from her in this article do not imply pressure:

    I’ve received an overwhelming number of messages & letters and have had a lot of discussions with people holding many views, and I think the right decision at this time is to cancel the show,”…“I pride myself on being an informed young citizen, and I had done a lot of reading and sought a lot of opinions before deciding to book a show in Tel Aviv, but I’m not too proud to admit I didn’t make the right call on this one.”

    to me, this framing implies she changed her mind after her discussions with lots of people, that she became more informed. and, if she did feel pressure to change her mind, i am sure she also felt pressure from anti bds people not to change her tour.

    i’m just wondering if it was “pressure” more than it was the information and the logic of those who appealed to her — for her to write “I didn’t make the right call on this one.”

    just thought i’d mention, because i think “pressure” is zionist framing.

    • Kaisa of Finland
      December 26, 2017, 5:09 pm

      Annie, I just noticed some days ago this:

      “Sketches of Meghan Markle’s wedding dress designs have been revealed..”

      “Inbal Dror, an Israeli haute couture fashion brand, has been contacted by the palace to produce designs for Markle’s wedding dress..”

      Since Meghan Markle is usually presented in media as somekind of a human/animal right activist, is there (do you know) anyone who could write to her and ask her to BDS = change a desingner for her wedding dress?? I would have written to her personally, but I did not know where to address a letter (I am not in Facebook.)

      I saw a headline somewhere that she doesn’t want prince Harry to go hunting anymore, so why would she use her wedding day for giving so much positive “visibility” for a country with so many human right violations going on every day..??

      (I think it would be worth trying!!)

      http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/meghan-markle-wedding-dress-designs-prince-harry-royal-family-a8123081.html

      • Jon66
        December 26, 2017, 7:19 pm

        Kaisa,
        From the BDS website.
        “BDS does not target artists. It targets institutions based on their complicity in Israel’s violations of international law.”
        Are you saying that BDS should target individual Israelis who are private citizens not sponsored by the Israeli government?

      • Kaisa of Finland
        December 26, 2017, 7:55 pm

        This video should be added to her letter:

      • Annie Robbins
        December 26, 2017, 9:39 pm

        i wouldn’t take this too seriously kaisa. TMZ, who was the article’s source, wrote

        Dror will certainly be competing with other top designers.

        also, note the independent’s unsourced sentence:

        There is now speculation that a fashion designer has been chosen to design Markle’s wedding dress.

        anyone can speculate. note this line from TMZ:

        Dror confirmed Monday she was contacted by the Royal Family about possibly dressing Meghan

        but it doesn’t mention who initiated this contact. it could be self promotion by the designer who could have independently sent the designs to kensington palace and they could have acknowledged receiving them and thanks the designer for sending them or said something to the effect of taking them into consideration. as it states in the independent:

        Since images of Dror’s sketches were leaked to TMZ, the brand’s vice president of marketing Yehuda Katzman sent them to The Independent directly….

        Two of the sketches even include a personal note from the designer herself, writing: “For Meghan Markle with love.”

        which doesn’t excluded the possibility they were originally leaked to TMZ by katzman himself! this strikes me as a lot of speculation. also, i would assume the future bride would use a british designer. or possibly and american.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        December 26, 2017, 9:50 pm

        “i wouldn’t take this too seriously kaisa..”

        Thanks! I rarely follow any celebrities and have no idea how such things work. This just “jumped on my face”, with being so illogical!

      • echinococcus
        December 27, 2017, 12:43 am

        Very good question by John66.

        To be effective, boycott (and future sanctions) must hit all Master-Race holders of Zionist entity citizenship. With, of course, exceptions for those who actively resist the Zionist regime.

        For us as private citizens, shunning them at every contact may be the only way to impress them how much of a pariah the invader entity is, in contrast to the outrageously privileged position now given by the US and EU.

      • Marnie
        December 27, 2017, 1:28 am

        I think hasbara is working overtime to try to present israel as a normal place when it so clearly is not. I hope that Meghan Markle is as thoughtful as Lorde turned out to be and will not favor israel in any way, shape or form.

        Jon66
        December 26, 2017, 7:19 pm

        Kaisa,
        From the BDS website.
        “BDS does not target artists. It targets institutions based on their complicity in Israel’s violations of international law.”
        Are you saying that BDS should target individual Israelis who are private citizens not sponsored by the Israeli government?

        Untwist yer knickers. The entirety of israel should be targeted IMO.

      • Marnie
        December 27, 2017, 2:44 am

        “Are you saying that BDS should target individual Israelis who are private citizens not sponsored by the Israeli government?”

        How typical. You create a POV and expect others to debate it, defend it or refute it.

      • Misterioso
        December 27, 2017, 10:59 am

        @Kaisa of Finland

        I’m no expert, but I do remember reading that Meghan Markle is partial to Canadian designers.

      • Mooser
        December 27, 2017, 12:31 pm
      • echinococcus
        December 27, 2017, 3:47 pm

        Marnie,

        Are you saying that BDS should target individual Israelis who are private citizens not sponsored by the Israeli government?

        That is exactly what many of us are saying is necessary for any boycott to be even partially effective. Boycott must include at the very least all Master-Race residents and all other Master-Race citizens of the Zionist entity. As you said, ” The entirety of israel should be targeted IMO.”

      • echinococcus
        December 27, 2017, 3:53 pm

        John66,

        Quoting from an organization that is obliged to work under the gun of the Zionazi occupation won’t help anyone. The official BDS guys can limit their scope. We don’t have to.

      • Emory Riddle
        December 28, 2017, 8:30 am

        Are you saying that BDS should target individual Israelis who are private citizens not sponsored by the Israeli government?

        No. We leave that sort of behavior to the smear merchants at the ADL.

      • echinococcus
        December 28, 2017, 11:29 am

        Emory,

        You’re speaking for yourself, I suppose. Many others want an effective boycott and they shun every and all “Israel” Master-Race citizens because that is the only goddam way to make the boycott effective. If the goons don’t feel on their own skin that they are pariahs, especially when they travel, there is no way the essential boycott objective of collective demoralization of the Zionist population can be achieved.

        Many of us also shun all Zionists, anywhere, the moment they show who they are.

        By the way, can you once please articulate why individual Zionists shouldn’t be targeted?

    • Talkback
      December 27, 2017, 2:46 am

      Annie: “just thought i’d mention, because i think “pressure” is zionist framing.”

      Of course it is. That’s the only kind of influence they know.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 27, 2017, 4:05 am

        talkback, since i wrote that i read Yousef Munayyer’s article saying something very similar:

        others have slammed her for giving in to BDS “pressure” — curious language given she responded to a letter from fans and decided to forgo what would have surely been a lucrative concert.

        If anything, the incentives were structured very heavily in favor of her playing Tel Aviv, as they are for every artist facing the decision to forego a lucrative opportunity. Any pressure she faced came only from her own conscience after learning, weighing and discussing the issue carefully……

        …..One of her Israeli concert producers found a way to insult her in the process of explaining her decision, saying he was “naive to think a singer of her age could handle the pressure.” Keep in mind, Lorde is 21, and in Israeli society, 18-year-olds are conscripted and deemed perfectly capable of handling the responsibility of making life and death decisions while armed with heavy machine guns frequently directed toward Palestinian children. ….

        Read more: https://forward.com/opinion/390845/thank-you-lorde-for-standing-up-for-palestinian-human-rights/

    • CigarGod
      December 27, 2017, 8:49 pm

      I was also going to comment on “pressure” but you’ve covered it well.

  8. amigo
    December 26, 2017, 4:11 pm

    The Israeli ambass to New Zealand invited Miss Lorde to a special visit to Israel. (Haaretz).

    Miss Lorde obviously is in need of some facts—zionist style.A trip to all the wonderful parts of the only democracy in the middle East and the HI tech center of the universe.How could such people be unclean.

    Sorry Miss Lorde , a trip to the West Bank is out of the question.Your life would be in danger there.

  9. inbound39
    December 27, 2017, 2:14 am
    • Maghlawatan
      December 29, 2017, 12:50 am

      One definition of an ideologue is a person who responds to the collision of opinion with reality by insisting that reality must yield.

      “The fact that Palestinians do not vote in elections and do not have rights equivalent to Arab citizens of Israel, is not because of apartheid, but because, like their neighbouring Arab states, and despite billions in aid, their leaders have failed to embrace democracy and the rights that go with it.”

      Social media doesn’t buy that bs

  10. inbound39
    December 27, 2017, 2:27 am

    Sarah Moses had this to say…….As with New Zealand and every other state, Israel has events in its past of which it should feel ashamed, and it is by no means perfect. But accusing Israel of apartheid, a term that rightly evokes revulsion, is nothing more than slanderous sloganeering that casts a slur on many millions of Jews (and others) around the world who support Israel and says more about the feelings of the person propagating it than the facts…….from the link above

    • RoHa
      December 27, 2017, 8:48 pm

      Sarah M is correct. It does cast a slur on all those people, and rightly so.

      • Emory Riddle
        December 28, 2017, 8:30 am

        “casts a slur on many millions of Jews (and others) around the world who support Israel”….as it should.

  11. inbound39
    December 27, 2017, 9:04 am

    Update from New Zealand Press…..Stuff.co.nz.

    Israel’s ambassador to New Zealand hopes to convince Lorde to change her mind during a “friendly meeting on Israel”.

    Speaking from Wellington, Itzhak Gerberg said he sent out an invitation on Twitter to the 21-year-old Kiwi singer, but was yet to hear anything back.

    Gerberg said she was encouraging “animosity in the region” by “succumbing to the hateful agenda” of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 27, 2017, 12:28 pm

      “Hateful.”
      FFS

      Nothing says hateful like pauperisation.

      • Mayhem
        December 27, 2017, 8:54 pm

        Self-inflicted.
        Why Palestine Bears the Blame for the Arab-Israeli Conflict by David Brog

        https://www.christianheadlines.com/columnists/israel-insights/why-palestine-bears-the-blame-for-the-arab-israeli-conflict.html

      • inbound39
        December 27, 2017, 11:56 pm

        only losers play the blame game Mayhem and Israel have played the blame game for seven decades….nothing is ever their fault….what’s wrong with their picture they paint? Israeli’s….Zionist from Europe largely, invaded Palestine.

      • Talkback
        December 28, 2017, 4:55 am

        Mayhem found an article written by the Executive Director of Christians United For Israel. ROFL.

        It’s basically about the Palestinian’s unwilligness to subjugate to Zionist illegitimate demands including giving up their rights under international and human rights law.

      • eljay
        December 28, 2017, 7:58 am

        || Mayhem: Self-inflicted. … ||

        The man wanted to share her body. The woman repeatedly refused to share it. It’s her own “self-inflicted” fault that she finds herself chained and brutally abused in the rapist’s basement.

        And who better than the rapist’s dear friend to validate his claim?

      • Mooser
        December 28, 2017, 6:44 pm

        “Self-inflicted.”

        I’ll say. Nobody forced you to use that link before you read it or knew where it was from.

      • Citizen
        December 29, 2017, 6:04 am

        @ Mayhem
        CUFI? LOL. Well, then rapture me up, Scotty!

    • CigarGod
      December 27, 2017, 8:53 pm

      This is where Itzhak will define what pressure really is…because apartheid has no rational defence.

  12. Mayhem
    December 27, 2017, 5:37 pm

    After being bullied, cajoled, intimidated and threatened she now says this on social media:
    “hey guys, so about this israel show – i’ve received an overwhelming number of messages & letters and have had a lot of discussions with people holding many views, and i think the right decision at this time is to cancel the show. i pride myself on being an informed young citizen, and i had done a lot of reading and sought a lot of opinions before deciding to book a show in tel aviv, but I’m not too proud to admit i didn’t make the right call on this one. tel aviv, it’s been a dream of mine to visit this beautiful part of the world for many years, and i’m truly sorry to reverse my commitment to come play for you. i hope one day we can all dance. L x”
    Does this do anything to break the deadlock? This only aggravates the situation re Israel and Palestine and BDS supporters deserve a pat on the back for their on-going idiocy.

    • Mooser
      December 29, 2017, 1:50 pm

      “After being bullied, cajoled, intimidated and threatened she now says this on social media:”

      That’s funny, her answer on social media was praised, and much quoted in her favor.

  13. jon s
    December 28, 2017, 4:30 pm

    I see from her website that Lorde will be performing in Russia. Does that mean that she supports Russian government policy and actions? Why not demand that she cancel there?

    • oldgeezer
      December 28, 2017, 5:47 pm

      When russia gets as bad as israel for as long and it”s victims request a boycott then i agree with you and she should. No, Russia is not as bad as Israel and no, Israel is not better than the myriad of ME and Africa hellholes.

    • Mooser
      December 28, 2017, 6:03 pm

      “Why not demand that she cancel there?”

      Gee, demands that Lorde cancel in Israel, but no similar demands to cancel her Russian concert? I’m stumped, “Jon s”, what could be the reason for the difference in reaction? Why is Israel singled out?

    • ahadhaadam
      December 28, 2017, 9:22 pm

      Perhaps because Russia is not an apartheid state?

    • echinococcus
      December 28, 2017, 11:04 pm

      How is Russia under an Apartheid regime of genocidal foreign colonial invaders just like your good self, squatter? Besides, right now Russia is definitely one of the few world powers respectful of international law.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 29, 2017, 11:02 pm

        Karelia is occupied, Echi.

      • echinococcus
        January 2, 2018, 4:34 pm

        How so? Finland is independent since 1917. The different regimes in Eastern Karelia, after 1923 Soviet Karelia , were never part of the state of Finland except during the Finnish occupation in the Winter War, 1941-1944. Plus the part of Ladoga-Karelia etc that was ceded by treaty to the Soviet Union. Besides, we are talking about the current Russian state and its respect of international law, as opposed to USrael.
        What are you trying to say?

    • Marnie
      December 29, 2017, 12:27 am

      You see but understand nothing at all. I’ll play along. The answer would be that the Russian government doesn’t have half of its population under an immoral and illegal murderous campaign of land theft and propaganda known by yourself as living in your ‘hysterical homeland’ and by the rest of the world as THE OCCUPATION; 70 years of hell unleashed on the native people of palestine, punished not because of their genocide on jews, but because the nazis in EUROPE perpetrated the genocide and the israelis, who cooperated with the nazis when it was convenient, and did not find it convenient to save european jews from certain death when they could because they had bigger fish to fry – the complete takeover and removal, by outright murder and terror, the people who had been living in palestine for centuries, but alas for them, were of the wrong ethnoreligious pedigree.

      If it makes you feel better jon s, maybe you and your classroom can write her a letter and ‘splain to her why she should cancel her performance in Russia. Fair warning though, she’s open-minded but does not appear to stupid.

      • catalan
        December 29, 2017, 10:46 am

        “I do agree that you, catalan and other Zionists should form an anti-Russia BDS movement and urge Lorde to cancel her Russia gig.” eljay
        I don’t believe in punishing individual citizens for the actions of the government. Otherwise, I could be punished for the actions of the American government and I wouldn’t want that. Also, I tend to do things logically. Since I don’t understand how cancelling a concert leads either to a return of the Palestinian refugees or Russian withdrawal from Crimea, I think I will abstain. Nonetheless, the Russian economy is booming and I have considerable investments in Russian companies. I also invest in the Middle East, in various Arab countries which detest Israel. It’s logical to make money.

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2017, 4:21 pm

        “If it makes you feel better jon s, maybe you and your classroom…”

        Yeah “Jon s” is an “Israeli history teacher” like “Jon66” is a “surgeon”.

      • echinococcus
        December 29, 2017, 9:48 pm

        Mooser,

        Take it from someone who knows them exceedingly well: no brains are required to become a surgeon, only memory. In the US it requires a lot of money, too. As for the strategically delicate propaganda task of “teaching” history within the Zionist propaganda machine, I’m sure it’s a straight issue of… scientific competence, as we all can see.

      • Talkback
        December 30, 2017, 3:49 am

        Say catalan. Do you support that Israel should face the same sanctions as Russia, North Korea, etc.? If not more because of half a century of annexation and illegal annexation of land that never belonged to its declared state territory including illegal settling in occupied territories? Do you support an embargo against Israel or even a military invention? If not, why not?

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2017, 12:22 pm

        “Take it from someone who knows them exceedingly well: no brains are required to become a surgeon”

        Ah, but “Jon66” is so much more than just a “surgeon”
        He is (his profile) a “husband, father, and surgeon”, in that order.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 29, 2017, 12:36 am

      Cos Russia is a much bigger thug.
      Welcome to power, Jon.
      There aren’t enough Jews to pull apartheid off.
      Tough titty

      The big issue is the failure of Israel to control social media

      https://www.channel4.com/news/by/paul-mason/blogs/impact-social-media-israelgaza-conflict

      https://youtu.be/L3vvn2qOh58

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2017, 12:26 pm

        “Cos Russia is a much bigger thug.
        Welcome to power, Jon.
        There aren’t enough Jews to pull apartheid off.
        Tough titty”

        How many Jews there are, or rather, how many Zionist Jews there are makes absolutely no difference to the rights and entitlements of any one Jew!

    • Talkback
      December 29, 2017, 4:42 am

      Jon s. “Why not demand that she cancel there?”

      Why should she cancel there? Please elaborate.

    • eljay
      December 29, 2017, 8:07 am

      || jon s: I see from her website that Lorde will be performing in Russia. Does that mean that she supports Russian government policy and actions? Why not demand that she cancel there? ||

      I have no idea if Lorde supports Russian government policy and actions but I do agree that you, catalan and other Zionists should form an anti-Russia BDS movement and urge Lorde to cancel her Russia gig.

      You may get flack for singling out the world’s only Russian state – a state that its defenders will tell you isn’t nearly as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali, et al. – but don’t let that deter you.

      • eljay
        December 29, 2017, 2:04 pm

        || eljay: … I do agree that you, catalan and other Zionists should form an anti-Russia BDS movement and urge Lorde to cancel her Russia gig. … ||

        Come to think of it, jon s, you can’t count on catalan’s assistance. It bothered him – a Bulgarian who hails from Spain (he guesses) and lives in New Mexico – that Lorde cancelled a gig that she was offered so he’s unlikely to help you urge her to cancel a second, offered gig.

        But you may be able to get him to help you urge Lorde to cancel the gigs she has not been offered by North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Best of luck! :-)

      • catalan
        December 29, 2017, 2:53 pm

        “It bothered him – a Bulgarian who hails from Spain (he guesses) and lives in New Mexico – that Lorde cancelled a gig”
        The hail from Spain refers to my heritage. It’s not contested that Bulgarian Jews are from Spain and have names like Catalan, Arroyo, Frances, etc. As to me being bothered – far from it. Each day, 151 thousand people die. One day my turn will come as well. I try to find as much as meaning as I can in my remaining days. A concert cancellation or the permanent conflict in the Middle East bothers me not a bit. Indeed, if there is a way to profit from the concert cancellation, I surely would. Like I said, if I could find a profitable Palestinian company to invest in I would not hesitate a moment.

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2017, 4:28 pm

        In “catalan” we have the new hi-fi man!
        He makes a monomania of being stereotypical.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        December 29, 2017, 10:20 pm

        ” if there is a way to profit ..”

    • Talkback
      December 30, 2017, 3:51 am

      Jon s: “I see from her website that Lorde will be performing in Russia. Does that mean that she supports Russian government policy and actions? Why not demand that she cancel there?”

      Jon s with another pathetic attempt to relativize or belittle Israel’s crimes against humanity.

  14. Maghlawatan
    December 29, 2017, 2:19 pm

    This is absolutely fucking HUGE

    Israel is claiming all of the land. BuT no.votes for 67 Palestinians. So apartheid. Lorde was right.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/29/israel-sports-minister-forces-nba-website-to-remove-palestine-occupied-jerusalem-trump

    Israel’s far-right sports and culture minister has taken credit for forcing the US National Basketball Association to remove the description “occupied” from its depiction of Palestine on its website, despite the fact that the phrase describes the internationally recognised legal status of the Palestinian territories.

    The NBA’s site originally listed “occupied Palestine territories” and at time of writing had deleted the word “occupied” at the instance of two Israeli ministers, one of whom suggested they were in fact part of Israel.

    The row over the inclusion of the words in a pop-up menu provided by a third party in an online poll of favourite players is the latest example of the lengths Israeli ministers will go to challenge the accepted legal definition of Palestine’s status.

    In a letter to the NBA commissioner, Adam Silver, the sports minister, Miri Regev, called the Palestinian territories “an imaginary ‘state’” and said the listing was not in line with Donald Trump’s recent recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. 

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    “I view the inclusion of ‘Occupied Palestine’ in the list of countries appearing on your official website as legitimizing the division of the State of Israel and as gross and blatant interference, in contrast to the official position of the American administration and the declarations of President Donald Trump, who just recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” wrote Regev.

    The NBA’s president of social responsibility, Kathy Behrens, told Israel National News that country listings were provided by a third party. “We do not produce the country listings for NBA.com, and as soon as we became aware of it the site was updated. We apologise for this oversight, and have corrected it,” Behrens said.

    Palestinians seek east Jerusalem, captured by Israel from Jordan in the 1967 six-day war, as the capital of their future state. Israel claims the whole city as its capital.

    Regev thanked Silver on Friday for removing the words. She said: “Israel’s lands are not occupied; therefore what was written was false and should have been deleted.”

    Regev’s position is starkly at odds with mainstream international opinion and that of the UN, which refers to the West Bank and Gaza as occupied.

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    Both the United Nations security council and the international court of justice regard the West Bank, Gaza and Western Golan Heights as territory that is occupied by Israel under international law.

    Israel’s deputy minister of foreign affairs, Tzipi Hotovely, had also called on the NBA to take action. “This week, US ambassador Friedman called for the cessation of the use of the term ‘occupied’ in regard to Judea and Samaria, and an important sports league such as the NBA should respect this view,” said Hotovely.

    Hotovely was referring to a reported claim in the Israeli media – sharply disputed by the US state department – that Friedman had called for the dropping of the term “occupied”.

    Regev is no stranger to interposing herself in disputes with sporting organisations whose views do not accord with her own. Last month she threatened to pull support for the Giro d’Italia bike race after organisers described a section of the route as going through “west Jerusalem”.

    • Marnie
      December 30, 2017, 4:25 am

      Found this article this morning –

      The Israeli Sports Minister Is Using the NBA to Further an Anti-Palestine PR Campaign

      Miri Regev, who once called African migrants “a cancer,” claims to have pressured the NBA into removing mention of Israeli occupation of Palestine from its website.
      By Dave ZirinTwitter The Nation
      Today 5:31 pm

      “Miri Regev is the Israeli Sports Minister, a former Brigadier General with the IDF, and somebody who is probably best known as the person who called African migrants “a cancer” in Israeli society in 2012. She has also sparked a bizarre PR campaign, and listing the National Basketball Association without their consent.

      The Associated Press put out a story the morning of December 29 with the headline “Israeli minister gets ‘Palestine’ removed from NBA site”. In the piece, Regev claims that a letter she sent to the NBA compelled them to change their All-Star site, removing “Palestine–occupied territory” as a location option. In the letter Regev calls Palestine “an imaginary ‘state’” and she says that the change was, in the words of the AP, justified because “the listing was not in line with President Donald Trump’s recent recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.”

      She also thanked NBA Commissioner Adam Silver personally for his–in her mind–agreement that there is no occupation taking place. There is only one problem. Much of this narrative is simply not true. First and foremost according to my own sources in the NBA offices, there was no letter sent to the NBA. I don’t know where Regev thinks she sent her missive, but it wasn’t there. No one knew about it until the AP story.

      Secondly, the site in question was not an “NBA site” but a site subcontracted by the NBA that used the phrase “occupied territory.” Lastly, it is untrue that “Palestine” was removed from an NBA site. Palestinian Territories is still an option. (It’s also worth noting that both PT or occupied Palestinian territories is standard nomenclature.)

      The NBA in fact was shocked by Regev’s PR offensive. It may have been particularly disturbing for the league offices because Regev is best known as somebody who has whipped up hatred against African migrants, calling them “a cancer.” She has also been accused of whipping up violence against these impoverished refugees. The NBA not only does a great deal of work in Africa, and it not only has several star players from the African continent, but their brightest young star is arguably Giannis Antetokounmpo, whose entire family were African migrants in Greece, where they have become the targets of Greek fascists that are exploiting the global refugee crisis–like Regev and Trump–to achieve political power.

      The question now clearly is why Regev chose to drive this narrative.

      Ramah Kudaimi, Director of Grassroots Organizing for US Campaign for Palestinian Rights made the following point to me that helps explain it. “Miri Regev’s job is to spread propaganda to whitewash Israel’s continued denial of Palestinian rights,” she said. “As more and more people of conscience take action in support of the Palestinian struggle for freedom, justice, and equality, including artists like Lorde and athletes like Michael Bennett, Israel feels the pressure to combat its growing isolation due to boycott, divestment, and sanction campaigns.”

      In other words, we cannot separate this push by Regev from Israel’s isolation which has only increased dramatically since Trumps call to move the Embassy to Jerusalem, the international rebuke in the United Nations, and the Palestinian National Authority saying that the United States has renounced its position as a peace broker.

      Yousef Munayyer, executive director of the US Campaign for Palestinians Rights, told me: “This is the latest in a series of efforts aimed at using sports and culture as a rubber stamp for Israeli policies and as part of an effort to whitewash Israeli violations before the massive audiences these sports leagues reach.”

      Erasing the existence of Palestinians, calling their national existence “fictitious,” and attempting to draw the sports leagues into this effort against their will, is something that should be thoroughly resisted. The sports world must not allow itself to become an unwilling foot soldier in a propaganda effort to normalize an agenda at odds with justice, equality, and the life experiences of many of their own players.”

      The zionist enterprise is a literal “cancer” in everything american – politics, culture and society. When will americans wake up? Hey tRUMP – america first or america [email protected]&ked?

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