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There’s been no end to the condemnation by Israeli leaders of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’s speech at the Palestinian Central Council last Monday.

The Washington Post headlined its coverage “Israel slams Palestinian leader over anti-Trump speech”, and quoted Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman saying that Abbas had “lost his senses”, Education Minister Naftali Bennett saying that this was Abbas’s swan song, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying that Abbas “tore off the mask”. 

The Jerusalem Post headline: “Abbas speech condemned across political spectrum.” 

Once again Bennett was quoted, saying that Abbas has “lost power and his connection to reality”; former Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon said that “Abbas confirmed in his speech the suspicions that his goal was not territorial compromise but renouncing the right of the Jewish people to a state in the land of Israel”; Minister of Regional Cooperation Tzachi Hanegbi said that Abbas’s speech was “laced with vile antisemitic conspiracy theories and was unbecoming of a leader”; Former Minister Gidon Saar said that Abbas “has lost his marbles”.

It goes on. Deputy Minister Michael Oren condemned Abbas’s “disgraceful lies”; Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely decried Abbas’s “ridiculous accusation that Israel is a European colonialist project”, and even left leader Avi Gabbay condemned the speech for its “grave lies, full of anti-Semitism”.

So this seems to be a pretty wide consensus. Abbas’s speech, which lasted over two hours, is widely seen in Israel as a vile speech, and the general message here is that we should not even listen to what he is saying. Stay away.

Fortunately, Haaretz journalist Gideon Levy got on the case two days ago, stating: “Abbas Is Right. Why Does Israel Keep Saying He’s Wrong? Abbas speaks the truth. Israel’s comments against him aren’t about reality— they’re just nationalistic snarls”.

Before addressing some of the content, let’s just think about this: If extreme statements are the measure, how would this reflect on these supposedly reasonable leaders who were just mentioned? Let’s take it one by one:

Defense Minister Lieberman has called for the decapitating of ‘disloyal’ Palestinians with an axe, and drowning them in the Dead Sea; Former Defense Minister Yaalon compared the Palestinian “threat” to “cancer” and said he was “applying chemotherapy”; Education Minister Bennett considers Palestinians “shrapnel in the butt” and boasts of having killed “many Arabs, and there’s not problem with that”; Prime Minister Netanyahu has gone in for real Holocaust revisionism when he framed the Final Solution not on Hitler – but on the Palestinian Grand Mufti; Former Minister Saar has said that a Palestinian state is simply “unacceptable”; Deputy Minister Oren has recently suggested that Ahed Tamimi’s family is simply a fake family; Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely waves empty books and bibles at Palestinians and calls them “thieves of history”, and even spouts anti-Semitic claims against American Jews; and finally, left leader Avi Gabbay, has admonished the left for having “forgotten what it means to be Jewish”, and that “we have nothing in common” with the ‘Arab parties’ – following the advice of his predecessor Isaac Herzog to not be seen as an “Arab lover”

There’s a story in the New Testament (John 8), where the Jewish scholars and Pharisees brought in a woman accused of adultery. They suggested she should be stoned, but asked Jesus what he thought should be done to her. Jesus said “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her”. They all left.

But these Israeli leaders, all sinful, are throwing stones at Abbas relentlessly. And about what?

Gideon Levy at a peace rally in Tel Aviv, photo by P. Weiss

Obviously, what infuriates them, is the fact that he is equating Zionism and colonialism. Gideon Levy:

“But the main shock happened when Abbas touched the rawest Israeli nerves and classified Zionism as part of the colonial project. What is incorrect here? When a sinking colonial power promises a country it isn’t ruling yet to a nation whose absolute majority doesn’t live in it, while ignoring the nation that does – what is it if not colonialism? When more than half the country is promised to less than a tenth of its residents, what is it if not a terrible injustice?”

If we let that discussion roll on, things will get very difficult indeed for Israeli leaders. They will also have to confront scholars such as Avi Shlaim and Ilan Pappe. The evidence for Zionism’s and Israel’s colonialist designs is massive. So let’s throw stones at Abbas instead. Thus the tactic becomes to find some dirt, as it were. Oh my God, he cursed the American President!! Yes, he reportedly said “Yeqrab Beitak” in Arabic, meaning “may your house come to ruin”, about Trump. Here’s the context: Abbas was referring to Trump and said:

“I see on Twitter ‘we will not give the Palestinians money because they refuse to negotiate’. May your house come to ruin! Where did you offer that to me? On the phone? On television?!”.

“Yeqrab Beitak” is basically like “damn you”. And that’s enough for those who want to talk all about Abbas’s temper, and avoid the real issues. Dr. Mordechai Kedar, writing in the settler-outlet Israel National News, made this epithet the center of his piece regarding Abbas’s speech: “the speech in which Abbas dug his own grave”. A senior lecturer at the department of Arabic at Bar Ilan University, Kedar accentuates for us the grave meaning of Abbas’s curse:

“This imprecation does not merely relate to someone’s present home, but to all the members of his family being thrown into the street to lead lives of destitution, humiliation and shame. Only someone familiar with Middle Eastern culture understands the real significance of this curse.”

It seems to escape him as completely irrelevant in this context, that Israel has not merely cursed Palestinians rhetorically with this curse, but has actually brought such ruin to millions of them, from the moment of its founding and until today. Kedar congratulates Trump for cutting US funds for UNRWA, the very organization that provides relief for those Palestinians who live in “destitution, humiliation and shame”. But analysis of Kedar’s piece is basically a waste of time. Suffice it to note his original claim that “not one [Palestinian] refugee remains of all the others who existed in the 1940s”, alongside the statement a few paragraphs later that Abbas “himself is a refugee born in Safed in 1935”. I noted the contradiction on my Facebook page, and I now see that the outlet edited the former quote out. In any case, Kedar, consistently refers to the Palestinian “refugee problem” in quotes, as if it doesn’t really exist, and is really just an invention – Palestinian propaganda, as it were.

But we have to talk about Abbas and his curses! Just like we had to talk about Ahed Tamimi’s slap and how awful that was for the Israeli-Zionist psyche. Never mind that Ahed was slapped first, never mind that Palestinians are constantly and institutionally slapped first – if they respond with any form of aggression, then it’s all on them. Trump definitely slapped Palestinians, hard.

Abbas noted Trump’s moves as a “slap in the face”. But Israeli leaders will not make a fuss about Trump’s slaps. After all he’s a great friend. Trump lies systematically and daily, but that’s not a big issue if he’s our friend.

But if Abbas is imprecise, or a bit upset, then it will be the talk of the week. And if he slaps Zionists with truths that are uncomfortable, well, then he is just asking for it.

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41 Responses

  1. Citizen
    January 21, 2018, 3:14 pm

    Well, Mr. Ofir, at least Trump likes Denmark.

  2. Citizen
    January 21, 2018, 3:15 pm

    BTW, the US main news channels have not told the American people about what Abbas said.

  3. pabelmont
    January 21, 2018, 8:48 pm

    “Israel has not merely cursed Palestinians rhetorically with this curse [may your house come to ruin], but has actually brought such ruin to millions of them, from the moment of its founding and until today. ”

    This is a point which should be made, made again, and made still again. Israel is doing what it claims to fear.

    I’m no poet, but I did write this poem, “A Confession of Plagiarism” in an homage to Darwish, and it makes the same point.

  4. JWalters
    January 21, 2018, 8:57 pm

    It’s telling that Zionist counter-arguments consist entirely of raving indignation and name-calling. It tells us they have no rational case. Their bloated arrogance, their sound and fury signifying nothing, can only appeal to their duped base. Objective observers can easily see the sad desperation in their frantic efforts to prop up their cruel fantasies.

    • CigarGod
      January 22, 2018, 11:34 am

      Don’t forget the frothing and spit flying.
      I often must back away to stay dry and uninfected.

    • Cazador
      January 22, 2018, 5:09 pm

      JWalters,

      «It’s telling that Zionist counter-arguments consist entirely of raving indignation and name-calling. It tells us they have no rational case. Their bloated arrogance, their sound and fury signifying nothing, can only appeal to their duped base. Objective observers can easily see the sad desperation in their frantic efforts to prop up their cruel fantasies.»

      They all sound like well paid hasbarist, don’t they?

      Everything is based on lies, lies, a bit more lies, much more lies, lying insults, fabrication lies, manipulation lies. There are probably more types of lies, as they invent and use more dirty tricks, illegal fabrications, attacks, murders, imprisonment, etc. , but my listing tires me already. I must rest…

      I pity the honest, peaceful, humanist Jews as I fear for their automatic association with the zionist progrom by people who are not aware about what’s has been manipulated by the zionists against the Palestinians since December 1948…

      Einstein and some 26 NYC intellectual and well known Jews have warned the USA and its President (Harry Truman) against Israel’s creation by zionists back then in a December 4, 1948 cosigned letter to the New York Times!

      https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

      His intro:

      New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed. A letter to The New York Times. Saturday December 4, 1948 by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al.

      New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed. A letter to The New York Times, published in the “Books” section (Page 12) of Saturday December 4, 1948

      by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al.

      Source: Text from original microfilm

      TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:
      Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

  5. Nathan
    January 21, 2018, 9:07 pm

    Jonathan Ofir – As long as you are mentioning that “Prime Minister Netanyahu has gone in for real Holocaust revisionism….”, you might as well demonstrate that you are also aware of Mr Abbas’ perspective of the Holocaust. You’re right that Mr Netanyahu’s comment was in poor taste, but all in all it was just a silly comment of a politician. Mr Abbas’ Holocaust alternative history is his PhD thesis, and that’s a bit more serious. This doctorate is much more than “imprecise”, and it could leave you wondering if anything Mr Abbas tells us is at all credible.

    The quote that you brings us from Gideon Levy was very unusual for the Mondoweiss website. I understand that you liked it because it seems to corroborate the Palestinian narrative that views Zionism as a colonial project. However, the quote confirms that the Jews are a nation (“…a nation whose absolute majority doesn’t live in it [in Palestine]”). The Palestine narrative claims that the Jews are merely a religious community, and hence they have no homeland (but a nation does have a homeland). Gideon Levy sounds to you as an anti-Zionist, however it’s not so. He, too, knows that the Jews are a people (a nation). It’s funny that you have brought us a quote that negates the anti-Zionist ideology, thinking that it is an anti-Zionist quote.

    Finally, the Arabic should be corrected. Mr Abbas said “yakhreb beitak”. It’s not such a terrible thing to say in today’s spoken Arabic. It means “your house should be destroyed” (which sounds awful), but the intention is something like “get lost” or “get off my back”. Your take of it was “yaqreb beitak” (your house should come near), which is incorrect.

    • Jonathan Ofir
      January 22, 2018, 6:56 am

      Nathan, you say that Netanyahu’s comment was just a “silly comment of a Politician”. Nothing to worry about, just “poor taste” perhaps.
      But not any “politician” – the Prime Minister himself.
      But Abbas – that’s serious, much more serious. Is there anything specific that you would like us to relate to, or shall we leave it at this unspecified level?
      What you are doing here is similar to what President Rivlin and Jerusalem Post are doing. Notice this from Jpost:

      ‘President Reuven Rivlin lashed out against comments made on Sunday by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah in which he said, “The Europeans wanted to bring the Jews here to preserve their interests in the region.”’

      That’s actually all they cite. It should supposedly be enough to serve as basis for what Rivlin then says:
      “What we heard yesterday from Mahmoud Abbas was terrible. He returned back to the ideas he expressed decades ago, when they were no less terrible. To say Israel is the result of a Western conspiracy to settle Jews in land belonging to Arab populations? To say that the Jewish people has no connection with the land of Israel? He forgot many things, and said exactly the things that led him to be accused years ago of antisemitism and Holocaust denial.”

      This is a very generalist mishmash, which is designed precisely in order to attack and dispell the colonialist charge, as I pose in my piece.

      As to Levy and ‘Jewish nation’ – yes I take issue with him on that and have mentioned it before, but it’s not something I’d go hair-splitting about.

      As to the kh instead of q – thanks, but it’s at a level where I wouldn’t even ask Phil to fix it.

      • Nathan
        January 22, 2018, 8:55 pm

        Jonathan Ofir – I was assuming that you have some familiarity with Mr Abbas’ PhD thesis, but apparently you don’t. If you can read Arabic, you should try to get a copy of it. Obviously, it is much more important than a statement by a politician. It is a doctoral thesis after all, not some confused speech given in a moment of anger.

        President Rivlin’s mention of Abbas’ Holocaust denial that you have quoted is a correct comment. Mr Abbas claims that it was planned by the Zionist movement already in 1937 that it will be claimed in the future that six million Jews were murdered, so it was obvious (after the Second World War in 1945) that the claim of six million victims was a lie meant to win world sympathy for the founding of a Jewish state. Abbas notes that indeed many Jews died during the war (“maybe 800,000”), however he claims that they were murdered “at the request of the Zionist Movement” in order to achieve statehood after the war.

        There are quite a few conspiracies that Mr Abbas “reveals” in his PhD thesis, but in the framework of a comment the above example is enough. I hope that you won’t dismiss this example as “hair-splitting”, or something that’s not at the level that deserves to be “fixed”. It is a serious matter, even if one is anti-Zionist / pro-Palestinian.

        It’s interesting that Mr Abbas doesn’t allow for his book to be translated. However, if you visit one of the universities in the West Bank, you can find the book in numerous copies in the library (but you’ll have to read it in Arabic). The book also appears in his presidential website.

    • eljay
      January 22, 2018, 7:14 am

      || Nathan: … The quote that you brings us from Gideon Levy … confirms that the Jews are a nation (“…a nation whose absolute majority doesn’t live in it [in Palestine]”). The Palestine narrative claims that the Jews are merely a religious community, and hence they have no homeland (but a nation does have a homeland). … ||

      People who inhabit a given region (Palestine, Kurdistan, etc.) are not entitled to do evil in order to establish a supremacist homeland in the region they actually inhabit.

      People all over the world – citizens of nations and homelands all over the world – who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish are free to consider themselves part of a “Jewish nation”, but they have even less of a right to do evil (terrorism, ethnic cleansing, military occupation, colonialism, oppression and murder) in order to establish a supremacist (“Jewish State”) “homeland” in a region they covet but do not inhabit.

      • Nathan
        January 22, 2018, 9:09 pm

        eljay – I mentioned that the quote from Gideon Levi defines the Jews as a nation. You might want to write Mr Levy a letter and explain to him that he is mistaken. However, my having noted that he has defined the Jews as a nation is absolutely correct. Jonathan Ofir actually confirms this when he says that he takes issue with Mr Levy in this regard. You should be able to find Mr Levy’s address in the Ha-Aretz website, and you could tell him about the “religion-based identity of Jewish”. I hope that he’ll understand your strange use of the English language.

      • eljay
        January 23, 2018, 7:27 am

        || Nathan: eljay – I mentioned that the quote from Gideon Levi defines the Jews as a nation. … ||

        You did mention that. And I pointed out that that definition does not comprise a right to do evil.

        || … You might want to write Mr Levy a letter and explain to him that he is mistaken. … ||

        You might want to write Mr. Levy a letter and explain to him that you say I said he’s mistaken. Because I didn’t say he’s mistaken – I just said that the definition does not comprise a right to do evil.

        (Unlike you, he might agree with me that the “Jewish nation” does not have a right to do evil.)

        || … You should be able to find Mr Levy’s address in the Ha-Aretz website, and you could tell him about the “religion-based identity of Jewish”. … ||

        I have no interest in contacting Mr. Levy, so you go right ahead and tell him all about it.

        || … I hope that he’ll understand your strange use of the English language. ||

        There’s nothing strange about calling a spade a spade – in this case, calling a religion-based identity a religion-based identity.

    • Talkback
      January 22, 2018, 8:35 am

      Nathan: “I understand that you liked it because it seems to corroborate the Palestinian narrative that views Zionism as a colonial project.”

      Palestinian narrative? These were the exact words from Theodor Hertzl to Cecil Rhodes.

      Nathan: “However, the quote confirms that the Jews are a nation (“…a nation whose absolute majority doesn’t live in it [in Palestine]”).”

      Still not a nation=constitutive people and will never be.

      Nathan: “The Palestine narrative claims that the Jews are merely a religious community, …”

      Again, Palestinian narrative? That was the prevailing view within Judiasm in the early days of Zionism.

      Nathan: “… and hence they have no homeland (but a nation does have a homeland).”

      Again, you are confusing nation within citizenship with nation as citizenship. Is this to complicated for you to understand? Jews are NOT a “nation” like US American, French, German, etc. Nobody can become Jewish by acquiring a citizenship of any state.

      Btw, is this your new view of racist incitement to call everything you don’t like “Palestinian narrative”?

      • Nathan
        January 22, 2018, 9:41 pm

        Talkback – Since it is Gideon Levy who is calling the Jews a nation, the only relevant question in this regard is “what did he mean by nation”. You think that I’m confused, but actually I think that you have a problem that’s known as “cognitive egocentrism”. You think that the way that you see things is how things are, and any other way of seeing things is “confused” or “racism”.

        Since Mr Levy is a Hebrew-speaker, he speaks of “nation” as “people who perceive themselves as sharing a common descent”. “Nation” comes from the Latin word for birth, so it about common descent. In Hebrew, a nation is “ummah”, and it is derived from the word for mother (i.e. it’s about common descent). Your lesson about citizenship is irrelevant and ill-informed. It’s not about how you view the world. The Jews view themselves as sharing a common descent, and there is no doubt that Hebrew-speaking Gideon Levy meant that definition of “nation”.

        And speaking of “cognitive egocentrism”, I should bring to your attention that “Palestinian narrative” means “the common story that Palestinians generally tell”. It is a neutral term. Indeed, the Palestinians claim that the Jews are not a nation – and saying so is not “racism” or “incitement” or an expressive of dislike. It’s just a statement of fact. Maybe your problem is that you don’t read literature in foreign languages. It would help you understand that there are other points of view out there (based on different cultural perspectives).

      • RoHa
        January 22, 2018, 11:07 pm

        ‘The Jews view themselves as sharing a common descent, and there is no doubt that Hebrew-speaking Gideon Levy meant that definition of “nation”.’

        But that odd definition of “nation” has nothing to do with the real nations of the world.

        however, let that pass. Let us pretend that the fairy tales the Jews tell themselves are actually true, and that they do share a common descent.

        So what? What moral implications does it have? How does it give Jews any right to take over Palestine and set up a “Jewish State” there?

      • Talkback
        January 23, 2018, 9:15 am

        Nathan: “Since it is Gideon Levy who is calling the Jews a nation, the only relevant question in this regard is “what did he mean by nation”. ”

        The more relevant question is “why is ist important, when Gideon Levy calls Jews a nation”?

        Nathan: “You think that I’m confused, but actually I think that you have a problem that’s known as “cognitive egocentrism”. You think that the way that you see things is how things are, and any other way of seeing things is “confused” or “racism”.”

        Well, Nathan, I wrote that you are confusing two terms. Not that you are confused. But now I really think that you may be confused and your ad hominem loggorhoe is a very good example what “cognitive egocentrism” means and what your problem is beside your racism.

        Nathan: “Your lesson about citizenship is irrelevant and ill-informed.”

        Sure, it’s irrelevant for racists who value “nation” in the sense of “common descent” higher than “nation” in the common international common sense of “citizens”. And just to see you fail I will ask you to explain why it is ill-informed. Don’t dissapoint me.

        Nathan: “The Jews view themselves as sharing a common descent, …”

        Who cares? What are the legal consequences of this view? What rights do arise from this view? Definitely not the right to national self determination which is reserved for the people OF a country which doesn’t include foreign settlers whose infiltration is enforced upon the native population.

        Nathan: “I should bring to your attention that “Palestinian narrative” means “the common story that Palestinians generally tell”.”

        According to Nathan the Holocaust is a ‘Jewish narrative’, ‘the common story that Jews generally tell’.

        Nathan: “Indeed, the Palestinians claim that the Jews are not a nation …”

        .. in the international relevant legal sense. They are correct. Contrary to the Palestinians Jews are not a constitutive people. But that’s not a Palestinian narrative, it is an obvious fact.

        Nathan: “Maybe your problem is that you don’t read literature in foreign languages.”

        Beside the fact that I’m responding to you in a foreign language maybe your problem is that you can’t succesfully argue in any language and have to resort to ad hominem idiocies that are even more pathetic than your claims.

        Nathan: “It would help you understand that there are other points of view out there (based on different cultural perspectives).”

        I’m still waiting for you to legitimize the creation of a “Jewish state” in Palestine based on universal values and not on “cultural perspectives”. I’m expecting either more silence or more racism.

        Nathan @ Rob Roy: “Do you know what the cause of conflict might be?”

        Zionist settler colonialism, duh.

    • Rob Roy
      January 22, 2018, 1:58 pm

      Nathan,
      You claim Levy identifies Israel as a nation but he also identifies Palestine as a nation you will notice. The difference is a nation cannot be specifically a religious nation; i.e., there can be no Jewish nation. If there could be, anyone born there would be Jewish, and that’s crazy, no matter how quickly brainwashing begins when a baby is born there. A “religious” nation represented as a “democratic” nation is a contradiction in terms. A friends of mine said, “Rob, I was born a Jew.” I said, “No, you were not born a Jew; you were just born…then you were raised as a Jew.” He thought a moment and said, “You are right.”
      The only democracy that can exist in Palestine/Israel is one state with freedom and equality for all.

      • Nathan
        January 22, 2018, 10:05 pm

        No, Rob Roy, I did not claim that Gideon Levy “identifies Israel as a nation”. He spoke of the Jews as a nation. He mentioned a nation the majority of which doesn’t live in Palestine (in 1917). That nation is the Jews. Now for you, “there can be no Jewish nation” – but for Gideon Levy, the Jews are a nation, and he says so in the quote given in the article.

        The idea of a single state would be possible only in the framework of an end-of-conflict agreement. This means that there must be negotiations to end the conflict – and that doesn’t seem too likely. In any case, the one-state solution is not going to happen all by itself.

        The issue at hand is not founding a single state or numerous states. The issue is finding a solution to the conflict. This means that you have to define the conflict (its real cause). Founding a single state will not solve the grievance that has given birth to this conflict, and hence the conflict will continue within the framework of that single state. Do you know what the cause of conflict might be?

      • RoHa
        January 22, 2018, 11:00 pm

        “Do you know what the cause of conflict might be?”

        You obviously don’t know, or you would tell us in plain words, and then tell us how it can be resolved.

    • Rob Roy
      January 23, 2018, 8:30 am

      Nathan,
      You claim Levy identifies Israel as a nation but he also identifies Palestine as a nation you will notice. The difference is a nation cannot be specifically a religious nation; i.e., there can be no Jewish nation. If there could be, anyone born there would be Jewish, and that’s crazy, no matter how quickly brainwashing begins when a baby is born there. A “religious” nation represented as a “democratic” nation is a contradiction in terms. A friend of mine said, “Rob, I was born as a Jew.” I said, “No, you were not born a Jew; you were just born…then you were raised as a Jew.” He thought a moment and said, “You are right.”

  6. JohnSmith
    January 21, 2018, 11:15 pm

    Just yesterday, I was wondering how many countries offer “birthright citizenship,” as in: if you were born in a place, you are a citizen of that place. I found this article at politifact:

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/23/se-cupp/se-cupp-only-about-30-other-countries-offer-birthr/

    Apparently, the U.S. way is quite rare, and I found this passage quite compelling vis-a-vis Israel:

    “So why does birthright citizenship literally divide the world?

    “One explanation may be colonialism, said John Skrentny, a sociologist at the University of California, San Diego. As European countries colonized the Americas, Skrentny said, many created lenient naturalization laws in order to grow and overpower native populations.

    “‘Getting people to move in was a good way to establish authority,’ he said.”

    Still, I doubt free-and-easy-peasy citizenship laws have ever been as free-and-easy-peasy as they are in Israel for people who want to make “aliyah,” indicating to me the unmatched (well, rarely matched) intensity of the racism on which this crusader state has been built.

  7. DaBakr
    January 22, 2018, 1:21 am

    Abbas committed no crime with his recent speech. he just finally got honest in front of the western press. why would anybody other then the NYT spoon fed Americans and guardian fed brits think he said anything surprising…

    • Mooser
      January 22, 2018, 12:40 pm

      “…”

      Uh-oh. I think they’ve stopped drinking in moderation.

      Or “Dabakr” has decided to be the barker.

      • amigo
        January 22, 2018, 2:50 pm

        “Or “Dabakr” has decided to be the barker.” Mooser

        Here is anotherBarker who also talks gibberish , but at least he made a living from it.

        For you duhbakr——He refers to “Printed Mutter ” about half way through , in describing his “mutterers”.

        He, like duhbakr made people laugh.

      • RoHa
        January 22, 2018, 6:00 pm

        Particularly clever in that, in spite of all the mispronunciation sand malapropisms, we can understand what his speech is about. Those of us who were in Britain at the time know all the people whose names he mangled, as well.

        But this should not be taken as an excuse for imperfect English.

      • gamal
        January 22, 2018, 6:29 pm

        First there was Stanley Unwin,

        https://youtu.be/O2tzUFw_onY

      • amigo
        January 22, 2018, 7:07 pm

        “Those of us who were in Britain at the time know all the people whose names he mangled, as well.”RoHa.

        Good old Denis Healy and Willie Whitelaw et al.

        RB was brlliant and a one of a kind.Not to diminish his partner RC.

        At the end of a trying day , an hour of The two Ronnies is the perfect pick me up. U, tube has it,s positive side.

      • Mooser
        January 22, 2018, 7:39 pm

        “But this should not be taken as an excuse for imperfect English.”

        We can’t afford it. Look at the competition; Norwegians learn Norwegian; the Greeks have taught their Greek. In France every Frenchman knows his language fro “A” to “Zed” (The French never care what they do, actually, as long as they pronounce in properly.)

      • RoHa
        January 22, 2018, 7:43 pm

        Unwin’s gibberish was carefully constructed to sound almost like English, so that one felt that one almost understood what he was saying, and perhaps even the general import, but just missed a bit of the meaning hear and there.

    • Misterioso
      January 22, 2018, 12:42 pm

      Worth noting:

      https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2018/01/21/putin-calls-on-israel-to-end-occupation-of-arab-lands-proclaims-solidarity-with-palestine/

      “Putin calls on Israel to end occupation of Arab lands, proclaims solidarity with Palestine”
      January 21/18

      “Russian president Vladimir Putin made the statement in a congratulatory letter marking the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People”

      In his letter, Putin wrote,
      “’Russia, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council and the Middle East Quartet of international mediators, takes a principled stand in support of the realisation of the Palestinians’ legitimate right to self-determination. We are in favour of a comprehensive and fair settlement in the Middle East on a solid international legal basis, including the relevant UN Security Council resolutions and the Arab Peace Initiative. It should result in the end of the Israeli occupation of the Arab lands that began in 1967 and the creation of an independent Palestinian state with its capital in East Jerusalem.’

      “‘Amid the persisting tensions in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and in view of the growing terrorist threat in the region, your continued commitment to the political and diplomatic solution to the Palestinian problem and your policy aimed at overcoming the intra-Palestinian discord acquires special significance. For our part, we will continue to assist efforts to restore the Palestinian national unity’.

      “Putin also assured Abbas that Russia will continue to increase economic cooperative and investment initiatives with Palestine before wishing Palestinians ‘peace and prosperity on their native soil’ ”.

  8. James Canning
    January 22, 2018, 1:09 pm

    Israeli leaders are only too well aware Abbas will accept Israel within its pre-1967 borders, and that he will accept certain swaps of territory. A collection of giant outdoor prisons, however, is not acceptable to him.

  9. MHughes976
    January 22, 2018, 1:29 pm

    I don’t see how anyone can doubt that the Zionist project was to colonise Palestine from outside with people who lived elsewhere – what else? This fact does not prove that Z was wrong: many thought that it was in the interests of all concerned and of the whole world in the spirit of Altneuland and Daniel Deronda. But it was a project about a colony.

  10. Ossinev
    January 22, 2018, 3:04 pm

    @RobRoy
    ” A friends of mine said, “Rob, I was born a Jew.” I said, “No, you were not born a Jew; you were just born…then you were raised as a Jew.”

    Excellent !

    @DaBakr etc etc. Assuming that you are human and not some sort of computer software generated commentators can you confirm the above to be irrefutable logic ie you were born and your Judaism came about as a result of your being “raised” as a Jew.. Remember Judaism is a religion not a race. Catholicism is a religion not a race. Seventh Day Adventism is a religion not a race. Satanism is a religion not a race.(etc ad nauseum).

  11. DaBakr
    January 23, 2018, 2:49 am

    @o

    I’m going to go with brother Nathan on this and call you out for cognitive egocentrism.

    . You ask me a question and then decide to’remind’ me before I answer what your specific rules are for answering. If you want answers that conform to your peculiar definition for the Jewish Nation then ask somebody who believes that what you’ve determined to be correct is indeed, correct.

    . You speak about logic on a comment board that is so bloated with emotional discord, overly long tracts of the ‘palestinian narrative’ including links, jealousy, antagonism and lots of just plain old bigotry, racism and hatred. Other then your supposed love of logic what is your motive to have an answer? Or is it simply to not be supplied with an answer to congratulate yourself on how clever your sset-up was.

    Now here is a question of my own, with no reminders, that you can answer or not as you please:

    . If you were born from mother x and raised by mother y would you still be the son of mother x, the son of mother y or the son of both?

    P’s. How does a computer generated pro-israel commenting algorithm ascertain wether they are real?

    • John O
      January 23, 2018, 7:29 am

      For a start you would have a 50% chance of not being anyone’s son.

    • Talkback
      January 23, 2018, 10:02 am

      DaBakr: “You speak about logic on a comment board that is so bloated with emotional discord, … jealousy, antagonism and lots of just plain old bigotry, racism and hatred. ”

      Should Mondoweiss censor Zionist comments to support more logic instead of racism, hatred, etc?

      DaBakr: “If you were born from mother x and raised by mother y would you still be the son of mother x, the son of mother y or the son of both?”

      Totally missing the point. To be born from your mother doesn’t mean that you will share her faith simply by being her son. Faith has no gene. Faith is the result of education. The reason why Jews emphasize matrilineal descendency is simply because the mother was seen as the main parent who could ensure raising the children in the Jewish faith. Go an ask a Jew who knows about Judaism.

      • Bumblebye
        January 23, 2018, 10:49 am

        Faith is not the result of education – it may be the result of indoctrination.

  12. eljay
    January 23, 2018, 8:18 am

    || @ak: .. If you were born from mother x and raised by mother y would you still be the son of mother x, the son of mother y or the son of both? … ||

    IMO:
    – Bureaucratically you would be the biological son of mother x and the “de facto” son of mother y.
    – Emotionally and socially, you could choose to be the son of either or both mothers.
    – And if your birth mother had undergone a religious conversion to Judaism or was descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism, you could also choose whether or not to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

  13. Ossinev
    January 23, 2018, 9:02 am

    @DaBakr
    “If you were born from mother x and raised by mother y would you still be the son of mother x, the son of mother y or the son of both?”

    WTF has this piece of deflective crap got to do with my question.

    Love the cognitive egocentrism bit. Zionists being chosen don`t need this of course.

    Can I please please have your non cognitively egocentristic response to the assertion which is quite simply that members of religious cults including the very limited number I referred as well as the cult of Judaism of which you currently appear to be a member are raised to be members of that cult and are not born members of that cult.

    I must see the GP about this bloated emotional discord. It certainly made you you throw up. Wouldn`t want to pass it on to family and friends

    • DaBakr
      January 24, 2018, 1:46 am

      @o

      Refer to paragraph #2. You want somebody to answer your own bigoted rhetorical question tailor made to fit your own conceptions. fat chance

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